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TWIN SISTERS: ONE DEAD, ONE SEARCHING FOR A KILLER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, twin sisters, a bond like
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Speaker 1: no other. Tonight, one twin sister dead, one sister searching
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Speaker 1: for a killer.
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Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: A gorgeous twenty three year old makes a final stop
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Speaker 3: on her drive home.
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Speaker 2: That stop changes everything.
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, this is a giant food on your quote.
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Speaker 5: You're a black man, when I want to sell you,
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Speaker 5: when he could drive away, Sapa has shot fard six
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Speaker 5: four three on your own playing calls with booth or
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Speaker 5: she had several shots, Lawrence, give a female fus you
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Speaker 5: get a call land will watch family can't give you
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Speaker 5: our family camping, I has good shot. Okay, so Bey
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Speaker 5: has good shot?
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Speaker 6: All over one minute?
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Speaker 2: What happened to this beautiful girl?
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Speaker 1: Now did separating two twin sisters forever joining us Tonight
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Jinny Carrey, still searching for justice for her sister, Jody, Jenny,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tell me, tell us
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Speaker 1: all about when you learned something horrible had happened.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 7: And I just got really emotional for a second. So
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Speaker 7: I was living out west in California and we had
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Speaker 7: been separated for a little while, and we talked to
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Speaker 7: regularly sell each other regularly, and I got I was engaged,
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Speaker 7: and my fiancee walked into the door and said I
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Speaker 7: tried to call her that morning. It was my parents'
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Speaker 7: wedding anniversary, and I tried to call her and she
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Speaker 7: didn't answer the phone. And I just had this weird
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Speaker 7: feeling like something was wrong, but nothing that nothing this terrible.
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Speaker 7: And he walked in and said Jodie's dead, and just
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Speaker 7: I pretty much just like dropped to the floor and
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Speaker 7: was just in shock, and just he said she was shot,
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Speaker 7: and it was it was just all so hard to
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Speaker 7: even just comprehend it. I mean I'd only seen something
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Speaker 7: like that in a movie, but to hear that was
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Speaker 7: just you know, I just couldn't I couldn't cope. I
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Speaker 7: just kind of shut down for you know, You're right
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Speaker 7: at that point, you just kind of go into the motions,
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Speaker 7: just trying to do what you gotta do. I'm trying
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Speaker 7: to just get home to my family.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Jenny Careery joining us the twin sister. Twin sister
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Speaker 1: of Jenny. Question, Jenny, I'm very curious that you had
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Speaker 1: a feeling a get feeling that something was wrong. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about that.
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Speaker 7: I had been worried about her because she was having
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Speaker 7: some struggles we both did as we grew up together,
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Speaker 7: and that was one of the reasons why we had
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Speaker 7: been separated. She always answered the phone. You know, even
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Speaker 7: though we weren't in the same state, we were still
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Speaker 7: just inseparable, and I just had this pit in my
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Speaker 7: stomach that something was wrong.
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Speaker 1: Genny, you stated that you guys both had trouble growing
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Speaker 1: up and were separated.
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Speaker 7: What happened My sister and I started down that path
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Speaker 7: of struggling with eating disorders, and I was trying to
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Speaker 7: get my life together, and so that's why I didn't
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Speaker 7: come back right away.
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Speaker 1: What type of eating disorder did you guys develop?
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Speaker 7: We both had anorexia blimia when started when we were thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Jenny, you have earlier stated that you and your sister
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Speaker 1: Jodi were sex abused as well, by whom.
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Speaker 7: Our next door neighbor. We were living on the Naval Academy.
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Speaker 7: My father was an officer there, and we were in
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Speaker 7: third grade, fourth grade, we were in elementary school.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Joni Johnson, joining US forensic psychologist performing risk assessments.
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Speaker 1: Author of multiple books, including Appearance Obsession, Learning to Love
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Speaker 1: the Way You Look and Fight Your Fright, a holistic
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Speaker 1: approach to understanding and overcoming anxiety. Doctor Jon Johnston, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. Number one, How
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Speaker 1: does being raised by an alcoholic father throughout your formative
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Speaker 1: years and you your family, including you having to put
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Speaker 1: him in a facility a from the family, combined with
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Speaker 1: childhood sex abuse turn a beautiful young pair of sisters
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Speaker 1: like Jenny and Jody into patients in a facility to
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Speaker 1: fight eating disorders, life threatening eating disorders.
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Speaker 8: Well, we know that trauma just carries from generation to generation,
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Speaker 8: and that's something that I think you know, not just
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Speaker 8: in terms of the diagnosis. So when we talk about
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Speaker 8: somebody who's raised by an alcoholic parent, it's not necessarily
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Speaker 8: that their sibling or their child is going to become alcoholic.
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Speaker 8: But what that does tell us is that the way
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Speaker 8: that people cope, the way these children learn to cope
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Speaker 8: with things can be similar. And so we look at
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Speaker 8: eating disorders, we look at addictions and those kinds of things.
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Speaker 8: There are a lot of similarities between them, and one
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Speaker 8: of them is a difficulty learning how to deal with
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Speaker 8: those feelings. And no one what to do with that trauma.
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Speaker 8: And if we don't develop those kinds of those coping mechanisms,
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Speaker 8: than that we develop ones that are not healthy, including
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Speaker 8: addiction and those kinds of things.
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Speaker 6: And certainly, when we talk.
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Speaker 8: About twins, I mean twins, I can't think of any
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Speaker 8: relationship that's closer than twins. So that would make sense
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Speaker 8: that not only do you have two twins who are
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Speaker 8: trying to navigate this together, but the relationship between the
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Speaker 8: two of them becomes very complicated.
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Speaker 1: To try and fathom what Jody lived through as a child,
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Speaker 1: the demons that haunted her, Yet she was coming through,
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Speaker 1: she was becoming a huge success in her life.
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Speaker 2: Beloved, beautiful and young.
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Speaker 1: How did this gorgeous young girl who had overcome the
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Speaker 1: battle of a life threatening eating disorder, the battle of
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Speaker 1: having her father put away due to extreme alcoholism, overcoming
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Speaker 1: having been less did as a little girl in the
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Speaker 1: third grade, Yet she was on a roll. How does
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Speaker 1: this beautiful woman end up alone in her car and
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Speaker 1: shot dead in a parking lot. Let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: again to that nine to one one call.
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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, this is the giant food on your quote.
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Speaker 5: The black man want a work, sell you and hit
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Speaker 5: your drive away, has shot hard on your own playing
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Speaker 5: calls the.
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Speaker 7: Dot booth floor one.
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Speaker 5: She had several shots. Laurence give a female such a
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Speaker 5: get a car you land on Wilma family can't give you.
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Speaker 5: My family camping had said, shot okay, so because been shy,
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Speaker 5: I said shy at over one minute.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what happened to Jody. We want answers tonight, as does
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Speaker 1: Jody's twin sister joining me Cheryl McCollum, founder and director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute and her host of
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Speaker 1: a hit podcast, Zone seven. Cheryl. That night, Jody alone
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Speaker 1: in her car, approached by an unknown mail and shot
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Speaker 1: basically point blank.
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Speaker 2: Tell me what.
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Speaker 9: Happened, Nancy. She pulls into this parking lot. She's by herself.
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Speaker 9: It's empty. It's about three o'clock in the morning. A
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Speaker 9: car pulls in, approaches her. A man gets out. She
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Speaker 9: rolls down the driver's window. They have some type of exchange.
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Speaker 9: He pulls a weapon. She starts to try to drive off.
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Speaker 9: He fires one shot. She then drives into the parking
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Speaker 9: area across the street, where she rolls to a stop
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Speaker 9: and by the time witnesses can get to her, she
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Speaker 9: has died.
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Speaker 1: It seems so random. In addition to Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: doctor Joni Johnson, and twin sister Jenny Careery, joining me
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Speaker 1: now Jeff Able, Baltimore reporter and anchor wb FF Fox
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Speaker 1: forty five. Jeff thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the area where this occurred.
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Speaker 6: Well, the area was just right at the city county
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Speaker 6: line and this was right into Baltimore County. It's a
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Speaker 6: very middle class, very nice area. At Towson University, a
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Speaker 6: very well respected school, is nearby, and it is not
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Speaker 6: a place where you would go to find any number
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Speaker 6: of homicides.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: To Jinny Careery, this is Jody's twin sister. What did
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Speaker 1: police tell you happened the night your sister was killed?
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Speaker 7: And at that time they were speaking with my father,
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Speaker 7: who was a state's attorney and another county who actually
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Speaker 7: prosecuted drug and violent I wasn't speaking with them because
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Speaker 7: I couldn't really function for a long time. But basically
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Speaker 7: that you know, they're doing all they can to figure
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Speaker 7: out what happened, and that they had the description they had,
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Speaker 7: They had a lot of evidence that it was an
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Speaker 7: African American male, stocky build. I think it was five
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Speaker 7: ten to twenty pounds, that there was video footage, there
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Speaker 7: was six witnesses, there was fingerprints. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 7: know if they knew all that. I mean, that was
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Speaker 7: just kind of all the stuff that they got from
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Speaker 7: early on. And you know, my father trusted them being
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Speaker 7: in the law enforcement, but I later on did not,
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Speaker 7: So that's a whole other story. But like I said,
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Speaker 7: my father was the one that was talking with the
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Speaker 7: detectives at the time and would give them updates, and
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Speaker 7: I think early on there was just different report There
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Speaker 7: was different theories they were looking into that it was
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Speaker 7: that it was a robbery drug deal gone bad. There
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Speaker 7: was no drugs in her system that it could have
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Speaker 7: they looked, and it was if it was somebody he prosecuted.
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Speaker 7: There was just different scenarios they were playing out. It
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Speaker 7: was just a very lot of strange things that happened
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Speaker 7: that night with her just being such a scared person.
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Speaker 7: Everything she did was really out of character.
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Speaker 1: So just kind of right, what do you mean by
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Speaker 1: she was a scared person?
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Speaker 7: She was really scared of everything, just had a lot
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Speaker 7: of we both did, had a lot of anxiety. I
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Speaker 7: mean she was scared of her closet. I mean she
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Speaker 7: she would not, she would not. I mean she was
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Speaker 7: scared of driving the snow. She was scared to be
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Speaker 7: out late at night. But she and her boyfriend had
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Speaker 7: gotten into a fight that morning and told her not
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Speaker 7: to come home, and why she didn't make arrangements to
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Speaker 7: go somewhere or do something. And she was asked to
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Speaker 7: drive the janitor home who had some sort of I
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Speaker 7: don't some sort of like disability. Yeah, yeah, and she
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Speaker 7: was asked to drive him home. And not that she
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Speaker 7: wouldn't do anything for anybody, but that was just another
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Speaker 7: thing that I thought.
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Speaker 1: Out on the road late at night was very uncharacteristic.
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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, And to go sit in a dark parking
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Speaker 7: lot a minute from her house and have her window
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Speaker 7: rolled down, I mean.
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Speaker 2: No, none of it makes any sense.
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Speaker 1: A woman sitting in her own car, minding her own
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Speaker 1: business is shot dead by what we believe to be
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Speaker 1: an unknown assailant. We have a photo of the car.
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Speaker 1: Why can't we find the purp?
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about that night?
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Speaker 3: Listen, Jody Lacorneo was able to get her car across
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Speaker 3: the street from the assailing in front of the Giant Supermarket,
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Speaker 3: to her surprise, the gunman follows Jody and parks directly
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Speaker 3: behind her car, waiting for her to come to a
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Speaker 3: complete stop.
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Speaker 4: As Jody lcorn, who flees for her life, the gunman
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Speaker 4: follows close behind in a white BMW. Eyewitnesses at the
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Speaker 4: Giant Supermarket and another person making a delivery to Boston Market.
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Speaker 4: Here the gunshot and hear Jody driving across York Road
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Speaker 4: and into the Giant parking lot. She circles the parking
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Speaker 4: lot and coasts to a stop after hitting a curb
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Speaker 4: between the Boston Market and Firestone Tire and Service Center.
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Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum joining me, director of Coldcase Research Institute
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Speaker 1: and star of his oone seven podcasts, Cheryl, I don't
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Speaker 1: find it that unusual at all. Yes, I know she
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Speaker 1: didn't like to drive at night, she didn't like driving
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Speaker 1: in the snow, she was afraid of her own closet.
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Speaker 1: All of this is because of childhood trauma. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a shrink, but I know that much an alcoholic dad
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Speaker 1: that you the child may feel responsible for putting in
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Speaker 1: a treatment in a rehab and then going through your
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Speaker 1: life being haunted by that and sex abuse in the
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Speaker 1: third grade.
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Speaker 2: This woman on the outside had it all going.
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Speaker 1: For her, absolutely beautiful, accomplished, educated.
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Speaker 2: I know she.
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Speaker 1: Didn't like being alone out at night and would go
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Speaker 1: to great links not to do it. But this is
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Speaker 1: where she finds herself. After she goes with coworkers to
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Speaker 1: a tavern. Then a guy that had a developmental handicap
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Speaker 1: asked for a ride home. Okay, out of her kind nature,
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Speaker 1: she says sure, even though it's getting really late. Okay,
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Speaker 1: she's had an argument with her boyfriend. She doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to go back home, Cheryl, So she pulls off, and
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Speaker 1: she's sitting in a car, minding her own business, probably
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Speaker 1: wondering like, what am I going to do now? Should
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Speaker 1: I go home? Will we continue to argue? Will it
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Speaker 1: all have blown over? What should I do? When she
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Speaker 1: shot dead? So everyone not on this panel, of course,
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Speaker 1: seems to be attacking her for sitting.
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Speaker 2: In her car by herself. I don't get it, Cheryl,
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Speaker 2: What does she do wrong?
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Speaker 9: To your point, Nancy, in that parking lot are lights
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Speaker 9: and her.
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Speaker 2: Car was under one of them.
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Speaker 9: So she was illuminated right across the street. There were
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Speaker 9: people unloading at the grocery store, so there were people around,
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Speaker 9: so maybe she didn't feel completely alone. It's not like
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Speaker 9: she was way far away in the dark somewhere. There
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Speaker 9: were people milling about. At least six that we know of.
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Speaker 1: This lady, young girl or young woman, minding your own
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Speaker 1: business and she gets gunned down. If anybody is out
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Speaker 1: there that remembers anything, the number four one zero eight
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Speaker 1: eight seven three nine four three repeat four one zero
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Speaker 1: eight eight seven three nine four three. There is a
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Speaker 1: reward for information leading to the cracking of this case.
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Speaker 1: You know, Jeff abel joining US reporter, investigative reporter in
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Speaker 1: anchor for WBFF.
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Speaker 2: You've poured through this case with a fine tooth comb, and.
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Speaker 1: I really resent a spursions being cast on Jody, who
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Speaker 1: was doing nothing wrong. She goes out with friends after work.
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Speaker 1: How many times after a really horrible day at the
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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office did a lot of my coworkers end
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Speaker 1: up at a place called Manual's Tavern. Everybody went there
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Speaker 1: and you would talk about your day or not, and
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Speaker 1: many of them would stay into the night.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, a lot of them would.
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Speaker 1: Drink to deal with what they had been doing all
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Speaker 1: day long time moless stations or rapes, tortures, murders, you
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Speaker 1: name it.
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Speaker 2: This girl minding her own business.
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Speaker 1: You've got to tell me something, Jeff, What can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about this parking lot? And what I don't get?
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Speaker 1: Don't we have pictures of the vehicle? Shouldn't we be
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Speaker 1: able to track the person down through the tag.
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Speaker 6: There were a lot of breakdowns that night when it
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Speaker 6: came to collecting information and evident and so it was
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Speaker 6: almost a perfect storm of failures that night when we
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Speaker 6: came to collecting evidence. There were indeed those six witnesses
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Speaker 6: that were there and heard or saw something, but none
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Speaker 6: of them could definitively give any information about the suspect.
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Speaker 6: His looks. You know, he's about six ' one and
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Speaker 6: about two two hundred and twenty pounds, but that's about it.
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Speaker 6: There were security cameras in the area, and not all
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Speaker 6: of them were working, especially the one that was in
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Speaker 6: the immediate area of this incident. It was broken that night.
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Speaker 6: The ones farther away were working, but as you know,
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Speaker 6: the quality of those cameras were not as defined as
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Speaker 6: they are today, so they provided some grainy pictures of
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Speaker 6: the crime scene. You couldn't even make out the license
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Speaker 6: plate number. It was also the weather conditions, as you
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Speaker 6: can see in some of the photos. It was a
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Speaker 6: very snowy, a very cold night, and that also inhibited
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Speaker 6: the visibility. So police had a lot going against them
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Speaker 6: and the evidence was just not there yet.
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Speaker 1: You know the photos that we've got, Jeff, Abel have
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Speaker 1: the vehicle on now.
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Speaker 2: Her car is the white Honda.
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Speaker 1: His car, the purpse car, is this white BMW, And
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Speaker 1: every photo I've got has the tag blurred out.
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Speaker 2: I can't see the tag. It's really hard for me
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Speaker 2: to believe that.
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Speaker 1: I can see the BMW insignia, but nobody can make
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Speaker 1: out the tag.
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Speaker 2: That's total bs, Jeff.
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Speaker 6: It's hard for everyone to believe when this happened. I
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Speaker 6: think most people thought, well, she was a student also
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Speaker 6: at Towson University, a very respected school in this area.
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Speaker 6: Her father was the state's attorney and an adjoining county
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Speaker 6: and very respected family, and everyone thought he's in law enforcement.
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Speaker 6: This thing will get solved in record time, but we
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Speaker 6: still have no resolution.
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Speaker 1: This is Jodie's sister, her twin sister, Jenny Carey. Jenny
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why that tag number is blunt out,
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Speaker 1: and every photo we have, if I can make out
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Speaker 1: the BMW insignia, certainly we could at least make out
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Speaker 1: a partial.
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Speaker 2: Plate, right Nancy.
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Speaker 7: As Jeff has been saying, I mean, it's just a
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Speaker 7: perfect storm of nothing done right. It was mishandled. We
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Speaker 7: weren't treated properly by the police. I mean I had
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Speaker 7: to get a lawsuit to get our records. I mean,
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Speaker 7: it was, it was. It was a whole another not
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Speaker 7: only grieving her death, but battling the police, which you
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Speaker 7: know ended up. I spent years becoming my own detective,
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Speaker 7: going out on the streets, finding people going into Baltimore,
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Speaker 7: like talking to a prisoner who I'm still talking to
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Speaker 7: now that one of the suspects, and you know, putting
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Speaker 7: up my own billboards. The main detective, thank god he's
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Speaker 7: not on the case anymore, was just such a scumbag.
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Speaker 7: Was you know, disrespectful and competent, lied to me, you know,
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Speaker 7: And when my parents they kept her car for a
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Speaker 7: short period of time, they found the fingerprinting kid in
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Speaker 7: the car. Like, I mean, everything was just sloppy from
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Speaker 7: day one. I would reach out to the detective to
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Speaker 7: ask him a question and he would like to text
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Speaker 7: me and like a hit on me. I was supposed
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Speaker 7: to do an interview on Baltimore and he was supposed
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Speaker 7: to show up. He wouldn't show up. And I'm putting
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Speaker 7: my heart in soul, you know, for years, you know,
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Speaker 7: taking myself away from my family, which my question for
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Speaker 7: her trying to find her killer broke up my family.
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Speaker 7: My husband and I got divorced, and I mean it
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Speaker 7: just destroyed my family. Thankfully, we have gotten back together
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Speaker 7: and trying to like work through everything. But the loved
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Speaker 7: one shouldn't have to try to solve the murder, you know.
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Speaker 7: I feel like that's the police job. You know, they're
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Speaker 7: the detective's job. And if they were doing their job
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Speaker 7: and then you know, us out on the streets here
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Speaker 7: wouldn't have to be doing all that we're doing, you know,
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Speaker 7: dying inside. I mean, it's literally like destroyed me. I
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Speaker 7: mean I remember in the midst of all of this
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Speaker 7: with this lawsuit, and I remember driving down a two
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Speaker 7: lane road and and being like, I just wish somebody
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Speaker 7: would hit me. It's too much. You know. Part of
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Speaker 7: the battle would be, you know, having the police on
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Speaker 7: your side, which just which never was the case, and
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Speaker 7: that was just it was just it was. It's been very,
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Speaker 7: very difficult. Thankfully we have a new detective on the
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Speaker 7: case since COVID that's been really a great person and
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Speaker 7: trying to help. And for so many years, I've felt
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Speaker 7: like they're incompetent, They're hiding things. They wouldn't want to
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Speaker 7: show us anything. They wouldn't let us have the autopsy,
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Speaker 7: I mean nothing, They didn't want to give us any information.
21:34
Speaker 7: I never even saw crime scene photos till they put
21:36
Speaker 7: them in People magazine, Like it's just the way they've
21:39
Speaker 7: handled everything has just been so bizarre. I maybe, I
21:43
Speaker 7: mean you've seen more than me the cases. I don't know,
21:45
Speaker 7: is this a normal way? And the fact that nothing
21:48
Speaker 7: ever works out that you know, the cameras were down,
21:50
Speaker 7: they can't see the video, you know, the Baltimore because
21:53
Speaker 7: she died on the line. Baltimore City, who has a
21:56
Speaker 7: lot more, has a lot more manpower to help with
22:00
Speaker 7: the case, and they're like, no, butt out joining me.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective,
22:10
Speaker 1: and author of multiple books, including Money, Mischief and Murdered
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Speaker 1: The Murdoch Dynasty the rest of the story, and for
22:18
Speaker 1: my purposes, my favorite book of hers is The Homicide
22:22
Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide, Doctor dupre thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Doctor.
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Speaker 1: Could you explain what Jody Lacorne went through in her
22:34
Speaker 1: last moments. Her spine was shattered, yet she was still
22:39
Speaker 1: alive when EMT's got there. It was not a quick death.
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Speaker 10: No, Nancy, this would have been horrifying. I'm sure she
22:46
Speaker 10: was terrified. She'd be very scared. She would feel basically
22:50
Speaker 10: her body disengaging. She would be again very very scared,
22:56
Speaker 10: and it would be it would be a terrible death.
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Speaker 10: I want to say the two things that one is,
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Speaker 10: I don't know that this is necessarily random. I think
23:04
Speaker 10: that's a little bit of tunnel vision to think that
23:06
Speaker 10: it is. And secondly, so many advances have been made
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Speaker 10: with evidence in the last twenty five twenty eight years.
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Speaker 2: I hope all.
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Speaker 10: Of this evidence is being rerun through the system again.
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Speaker 10: Maybe there will be some clues coming out of that.
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Speaker 1: Now, this beautiful young twin Jody locorneo and joining me
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Speaker 1: now is her twin sister, Jenny Carreri. One twin sister
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Speaker 1: was murdered the other twin. The remaining twin is leading
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Speaker 1: a battle for justice to catch a killer. So, Jenny,
23:43
Speaker 1: no one has ever explained to you why I keep
23:45
Speaker 1: looking at that car and the tag is blocked out.
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Speaker 2: That is vital information. I mean, think about it, Jenny.
23:54
Speaker 1: And just the recent months, we've seen the Brian Coburger
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Speaker 1: case where a white Lantra was spotted zooming away from
24:03
Speaker 1: the area by chance by a worker at a convenience
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Speaker 1: store who comed through hours and hours and hours of
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Speaker 1: video until she found the Elantra, and then lo and
24:16
Speaker 1: behold that a Launchra was spotted near the crime scene
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Speaker 1: where four beautiful University Idaho students were murdered in their
24:24
Speaker 1: own beds.
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Speaker 2: Not just that we all know the name.
24:27
Speaker 1: Gabby Petito, it was a pair of citizen sleuths that
24:32
Speaker 1: had heard about Gabby's white for transit that she herself
24:37
Speaker 1: remodeled to become a rolling RV, And if it had
24:42
Speaker 1: not been for that vehicle being identified, we would never
24:47
Speaker 1: have known that her fiance, Brian Laundry, murdered her, leaving
24:53
Speaker 1: her body to decompose out in dispersed camping where very
24:58
Speaker 1: few people ventured. It goes on and on and on,
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Speaker 1: there's Michelle Parker, the so called People's Court Mom, her
25:08
Speaker 1: unique vehicle where she had written this on the side
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Speaker 1: on the glass she had an ad for her business.
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Speaker 1: If that had not been released, we would never have
25:21
Speaker 1: known anything about her case.
25:25
Speaker 2: Yet we don't have the tag number. Really, I find
25:30
Speaker 2: that very hard to believe.
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Speaker 7: I mean, really, everything that they've done I've found hard
25:36
Speaker 7: to believe. I mean I've I've found out a lot
25:39
Speaker 7: of stuff in my own detective work that I've had
25:43
Speaker 7: to share with them that they didn't even know. So
25:47
Speaker 7: it baffles me, Nancy. I don't know. I don't know why,
25:52
Speaker 7: you know, with all the pressure that they've had on
25:54
Speaker 7: them from the beginning, you know, like Jeff saying, with
25:57
Speaker 7: my dad being in with the state's attorney, I mean,
26:00
Speaker 7: I didn't expect, you know, the best, I mean, you know,
26:05
Speaker 7: better treatment, but at least, you know, the normal treatment
26:09
Speaker 7: with her case. But ut cases solved when they find
26:12
Speaker 7: like a dirt you know, or rock, you know, something crazy,
26:16
Speaker 7: and that just was all the evidence. You know, I
26:18
Speaker 7: had to like beg them and beg them and beg
26:20
Speaker 7: them to do and show or remember this the MVAC
26:23
Speaker 7: to do like the DNA testing. It's like they never
26:26
Speaker 7: wanted to do anything. Like if I just had ignored
26:29
Speaker 7: them that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they would tell me.
26:30
Speaker 7: They told me her case was, Yeah, her case was
26:32
Speaker 7: sitting in a closet collecting dust. That's what they would
26:34
Speaker 7: tell me.
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Speaker 1: You know, interesting about what you're saying, Cheryl McCollum has
26:39
Speaker 1: a theory. Cheryl and I are both coming from law
26:44
Speaker 1: enforcement perspectives. Cheryl McCollum, you've got your own unique theory
26:49
Speaker 1: and it ain't half bad, Cheryl, About why that tag's
26:53
Speaker 1: blocked out.
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Speaker 9: Tag is blocked out. You've got six witnesses, they won't reinterview.
26:58
Speaker 9: You've got the family not using you know, having to
27:01
Speaker 9: sue them. The law enforcement won't use the media. The
27:05
Speaker 9: phone calls. They're going to tell the family two of
27:08
Speaker 9: the phone calls, but not all the phone calls. To me, Nancy,
27:11
Speaker 9: when you've got the same detective for twenty five years
27:14
Speaker 9: that won't move on anything. It feels like to me
27:18
Speaker 9: that this perpetrator is a confidential informant. They're protecting Sean McCollum.
27:22
Speaker 1: When you say, see I confidential informant, explain to those
27:27
Speaker 1: that are not in law enforcement what that means.
27:30
Speaker 9: Oftentimes, if you arrest someone and let's say they're a
27:33
Speaker 9: low level drug dealer, they may and give you the
27:36
Speaker 9: bigger fish, so to speak. So who are you getting
27:38
Speaker 9: this product from? Who's running this organized crime? So what
27:42
Speaker 9: you try to do is arrest up, you go to
27:44
Speaker 9: the next biggest person. So you make a deal. Hey,
27:47
Speaker 9: I'm going to cut you loose. I'm going to leave
27:49
Speaker 9: you on the street so you can keep feeding me
27:52
Speaker 9: information of who's doing bigger and better crimes out there.
27:55
Speaker 1: Straight out to Jeff Abel, investigative reporter and anchor. You
28:00
Speaker 1: be f F Fox forty five there in Maryland. Jeff,
28:04
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What does the PD
28:06
Speaker 1: have to say about this?
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Speaker 6: Well, for their part, you know, this case has become
28:11
Speaker 6: the largest cold case in Baltimore County history. You go
28:14
Speaker 6: to the police department and there are boxes stacked to
28:17
Speaker 6: the ceiling of evidence that are sitting there, and they
28:21
Speaker 6: insist they have interviewed and they insist they've reinterviewed all
28:25
Speaker 6: of the witnesses and more recently, they did perform some
28:29
Speaker 6: DNA tests on some DNA on the victim's clothes, but
28:33
Speaker 6: none of it has proven to be conclusive, and so
28:38
Speaker 6: you talk to them and they say they are they
28:40
Speaker 6: are doing all they can. There have been differing levels
28:43
Speaker 6: of dedication, it seems to this case over the years,
28:47
Speaker 6: because every three, four or five years we get a
28:49
Speaker 6: new police chief and a new round of dedication or
28:54
Speaker 6: lack of dedication towards the case. But the current administration
28:57
Speaker 6: seems to be a lot more dedicated to trying to
29:00
Speaker 6: get this cleared. But we'll see.
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Speaker 2: Is there a new detective on the case? Shift?
29:05
Speaker 6: There is a new detective.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's Josh Battalia. Correct, that's correct, straight out to
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, joining US forensics expert and law enforcement. At
29:16
Speaker 1: least they've cared enough to put a new detective on
29:18
Speaker 1: the case. But Cheryl, with six witnesses a shot of
29:24
Speaker 1: the getaway car, you've got ballistics. You've got to have
29:29
Speaker 1: the bullet. I assumed the bullet was recovered, Jeff, Is
29:32
Speaker 1: that correct? Oh?
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Speaker 6: Yes, it was.
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Speaker 1: I mean, good gravy, Cheryl McCollum, We've got to put
29:38
Speaker 1: that through the.
29:40
Speaker 2: Database and see if that bullet matches up. I mean,
29:43
Speaker 2: what is going on? What is happening within the Baltimore PD.
29:48
Speaker 2: They need a fire under their backside.
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Speaker 9: They have got to let the family know those phone
29:54
Speaker 9: calls who they were too.
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Speaker 11: Means if something were to happen to me. And the
29:58
Speaker 11: detective said, well, the last person she called with a
30:01
Speaker 11: defense attorney. Why would she call her defense attorney? Was
30:03
Speaker 11: she in some trouble? You would be able to tell them.
30:06
Speaker 11: Thanks for name Rafell, They're friends. It wasn't her calling
30:09
Speaker 11: the defense attorney. They got to talk to Jenny. They
30:13
Speaker 11: got to come clean with everything they've got and let
30:16
Speaker 11: her walk them through the victimology.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, it just takes one tip.
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Speaker 1: Now we know this guy reached into her car and
30:38
Speaker 1: took something out as she sat there dying. Doctor Michelle Duprey,
30:43
Speaker 1: you cannot convince me that she did not see him
30:46
Speaker 1: reach in her car and take something.
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Speaker 10: Nancy. I believe she did, and she probably would have
30:51
Speaker 10: been able to identify who he was. Again, I don't
30:54
Speaker 10: think this was random at all.
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Speaker 1: The more I think about it, the more I agree
30:57
Speaker 1: with you. Jennifer Jenny Career joining us Jody's twin sister, Jenny,
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Speaker 1: what have you? First of all, how did your search
31:08
Speaker 1: for the killer break up your marriage?
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Speaker 7: Because it became the only thing that I was focused
31:15
Speaker 7: on was day and night. I spent I don't know
31:19
Speaker 7: how many years just doing interviews to go, you know,
31:25
Speaker 7: going out finding people. You know, I'd find out, you know,
31:31
Speaker 7: some of the people that they had, persons of interest.
31:33
Speaker 7: I'd go find their family members. I'd drive places. I
31:36
Speaker 7: did tons of interviews and shows, and I just didn't
31:41
Speaker 7: care about I just didn't care about anything else. I
31:44
Speaker 7: just wanted to find her killer. And I mean, I
31:46
Speaker 7: remember one time I was preparing for a show and
31:49
Speaker 7: I was I was pulling out all the pictures of
31:52
Speaker 7: Jody and I and my my daughter, she was a
31:55
Speaker 7: little girl at the time, and she came up to
31:59
Speaker 7: me and she brought her baby book and sat next
32:01
Speaker 7: to me and said, Mommy, look at my pictures. And
32:05
Speaker 7: it just it tore my heart out, like you know,
32:09
Speaker 7: here I am like, I'm so I've been so focused
32:12
Speaker 7: on Jody's killer, and she just wanted me to, you know,
32:15
Speaker 7: because I was just consumed by it, you know, and
32:19
Speaker 7: she wanted me to, you know, look at her pictures instead.
32:22
Speaker 7: I just was always focused on Jody and who's the
32:25
Speaker 7: next person I do the do the interview with, and
32:27
Speaker 7: you know, and you know, my husband and I had
32:30
Speaker 7: other problems, like in every marriage, but this just was,
32:34
Speaker 7: you know, and he he was supportive, but it got
32:36
Speaker 7: to the point it took over everything, and I already
32:40
Speaker 7: I really like I lost my mind, honestly, and I
32:45
Speaker 7: you know he would not.
32:47
Speaker 2: Don't lose your mind. I hear what you're saying, Cheryl.
32:51
Speaker 2: When you and I first met, when I.
32:53
Speaker 1: Was prosecuting same thing, it was still so fresh with
32:57
Speaker 1: me my fiance's murder. All I could think about was
33:01
Speaker 1: putting the next bad guy in in jail. I didn't
33:03
Speaker 1: care who you were, what you were saying to me,
33:06
Speaker 1: nothing mattered. I didn't want a car, I didn't want jewelry.
33:09
Speaker 1: I didn't want a boyfriend. I wanted nothing, friends, nothing.
33:13
Speaker 1: All I wanted was to solve the next case. And
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Speaker 1: you can't talk to anybody like that. They have to
33:19
Speaker 1: come out of it themselves. Cheryl, do you remember those days?
33:22
Speaker 9: I remember those days so clear, Nancy. I can remember
33:25
Speaker 9: you would have success after success after success. You never
33:29
Speaker 9: wanted to celebrate. You would come to Manuels, you would
33:32
Speaker 9: have dinner, and you would go home to start prepping
33:35
Speaker 9: the next case. While everybody else will celebrate in your
33:37
Speaker 9: victory in court.
33:39
Speaker 1: I can't really explain it. I understand what Jinny is saying.
33:43
Speaker 1: One marriage nearly destroyed, She's gotten another chance at that marriage,
33:49
Speaker 1: But now can we give her a chance to find
33:52
Speaker 1: her twin sisters killer. There was a thirty two thousand
33:56
Speaker 1: dollars reward to help solve the case of the murder
34:01
Speaker 1: of Jody Lacorno to her twin sister, Jenny Careery, Jenny,
34:06
Speaker 1: have you been speaking with a person of interest?
34:10
Speaker 7: Yes, he's been there.
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Speaker 2: What's happening?
34:14
Speaker 7: So he's been their number one suspect And I actually
34:17
Speaker 7: started communicating with him years ago. I said to the
34:19
Speaker 7: detective that I want the previous detective who's no longer there.
34:25
Speaker 7: I said I would like to meet with him, and
34:27
Speaker 7: he said, well, why would he want to talk to you?
34:29
Speaker 7: And so I started to write letters to him, and
34:33
Speaker 7: I opened up a Peo box and just started communicating
34:36
Speaker 7: with him. And it was nothing, you know, it was
34:38
Speaker 7: just all this him writing about just nothing, you know.
34:42
Speaker 7: It was basically just me like trying to get to him.
34:45
Speaker 7: He's writing about his days in prison. He did know
34:47
Speaker 7: who I was, and religion and this and that. And
34:51
Speaker 7: so my husband found out about it, so I had
34:53
Speaker 7: to cut that out. He was very upset about that.
34:57
Speaker 7: I had sent a picture of myself to him, and
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Speaker 7: he's always he's been in prison for trying to kill
35:03
Speaker 7: another girl. So he's been in he's getting out. Actually,
35:06
Speaker 7: November twenty second, I just got a call. I'm on
35:09
Speaker 7: this vine. I don't know if you're familiar with this
35:12
Speaker 7: sort of thing where they let you know. So they
35:14
Speaker 7: called me today and I knew he was getting out,
35:16
Speaker 7: but I actually met with him about a month ago
35:20
Speaker 7: and was with him for like three hours, and he
35:26
Speaker 7: I one hundred percent believe I believe that it's him.
35:31
Speaker 7: And you know he's failed the light detector to night.
35:34
Speaker 2: Why do you believe it's him? And how did he
35:35
Speaker 2: kill the other girl?
35:37
Speaker 7: He he tried to stabber to death. They were high
35:40
Speaker 7: on drugs, she was a stripper. He's had, he has
35:43
Speaker 7: his DNA on another murder that they haven't dealt with.
35:45
Speaker 7: He's he's had, he has a record. Jeff and I
35:47
Speaker 7: were looking at it yesterday. He'll probably remember better than me,
35:50
Speaker 7: but he has a long history of who you know
35:54
Speaker 7: is married and he said he was with her the
35:55
Speaker 7: night Jodie was killed, but she came back and said
35:58
Speaker 7: she wasn't with him. He failed a light detor test, so.
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Speaker 1: He lied about an alibi. Does he know your Jodie's sister?
36:05
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, because I met with him.
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Speaker 2: What about him makes you think he's the killer?
36:12
Speaker 7: I mean, I think because there's so many things that
36:17
Speaker 7: point to him that it is him. And I mean
36:23
Speaker 7: he told a prostitute that he killed her. A prostitute
36:25
Speaker 7: was brought in off the streets, and they never followed through,
36:30
Speaker 7: they never did anything. They said a prostitutes word is
36:33
Speaker 7: worthless in court as what they told me.
36:35
Speaker 2: So let me understand this.
36:36
Speaker 1: You know, if I had to have put every witness
36:40
Speaker 1: on the stand that was a nun, a priest, or virgin,
36:42
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I would never have won a case.
36:45
Speaker 1: Who do you think somebody like him hangs out with
36:49
Speaker 1: mother Teresa? No, a prostitute, So right, it's a criminal element.
36:56
Speaker 1: So who told you you can't take the word of
36:58
Speaker 1: a prostitute because I have found them to be very
37:00
Speaker 1: reliable witnesses.
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Speaker 7: The detective, the original detective, And when.
37:05
Speaker 1: I have you shared this information with the new detective Battalia.
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Speaker 7: We've talked about the prostitute. I don't know if I've
37:15
Speaker 7: told him all this stuff. I mean, he's he's aware
37:19
Speaker 7: about the prostitute. Yeah, I don't know that he that
37:22
Speaker 7: I told him all the conversations I had with the
37:24
Speaker 7: previous detective. But when I met with the suspect in prison,
37:29
Speaker 7: you know, we met. It was arranged for me to
37:31
Speaker 7: meet him, and it was all recorded, and I said
37:34
Speaker 7: to him, I said, did you kill Jody? And he said,
37:38
Speaker 7: if I admit to that, I will never get out
37:40
Speaker 7: of here.
37:41
Speaker 2: Well, you've got this on a recording. Yes? Have you
37:44
Speaker 2: given the recorded to Baltimore PD?
37:46
Speaker 7: They have it? They have it?
37:48
Speaker 2: Okay, jeff Abel, what do I have to do? Put?
37:52
Speaker 1: Okay, dynamite under the Baltimore PDS rear.
37:55
Speaker 6: And how much dynamite do you have?
38:00
Speaker 7: Oh?
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Speaker 1: I can get quite a bit if I have to.
38:03
Speaker 1: I asked my husband for a flamethrower for Christmas. I
38:06
Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to happen. But how can
38:09
Speaker 1: they stand by with evidence that the twin hasn't asked?
38:13
Speaker 6: This is rather new evidence. I don't know if they've
38:15
Speaker 6: actually I know they haven't moved on it yet, but
38:19
Speaker 6: I know they do have it, and it is probably
38:22
Speaker 6: in their hands as if the past three or four weeks.
38:26
Speaker 6: I understand there might be some kind of deal they
38:29
Speaker 6: possibly are getting together to offer the suspect or the
38:34
Speaker 6: person of interest if he will just come forward with
38:37
Speaker 6: the information, But so far there's been nothing that I'm
38:41
Speaker 6: aware of.
38:42
Speaker 1: Jenny, let me throw an idea at you. Would you
38:47
Speaker 1: agree to a deal where he would serve time hard
38:55
Speaker 1: time running concurrent or at the same time as his
39:01
Speaker 1: other offenses if he admitted to Jody's death, or do
39:06
Speaker 1: you hold out for more jail time?
39:10
Speaker 7: Would I just want to have answers I would do.
39:15
Speaker 7: I would be okay with the time served, absolutely, And
39:20
Speaker 7: I know some people wouldn't agree with that, but that's
39:23
Speaker 7: just for me, just because.
39:26
Speaker 1: Can I give you a very important legal phrase, screw
39:31
Speaker 1: them and the horse they rode in on. This is
39:33
Speaker 1: your business, not theirs. If you want answers, then God willing,
39:40
Speaker 1: you will get them.
39:42
Speaker 2: If you know or.
39:43
Speaker 1: Think you know anything about the murder of this beautiful
39:48
Speaker 1: young twin, Jody L. Corney, please dial the new detective
39:54
Speaker 1: at four to one zero eight.
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Speaker 2: Eight seven, three nine four three. There is a light.
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Speaker 1: At the end of this dark tunnel. Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,