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The Silent Battle: Robert Enke's Tragic Story | Ep 298 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:03
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
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• 2:05
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• 2:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's all about helping others.
• 2:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: This particular episode is a pretty deep one.
• 2:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're going to talk about an individual who's well known across the world who tragically took his his own life, and it's a it's a real wake up call.
• 2:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And or it's a real wake-up call, and or it is a reminder that Life is precious, that not every, not every tomorrow Is going to include us in it, that there Is going to come a time where the good Lord takes us, takes us home.
• 3:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so it's very topic, very, very serious.
• 3:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's very serious, it's a happening, and we just need to work on being kinder to one another.
• 3:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It doesn't mean we have to agree with every person or every topic that every person has.
• 3:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not the case.
• 3:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's not what we're talking about.
• 3:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're talking about it's okay to have different opinions and we should just accept people for who they are.
• 4:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So the information that's going to be shared here is a combination effort between Sports Unlimited News and the Daily Mail.
• 4:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Uk has a lot of information about this topic, and so we thought it'd be best to just bring all that information and share it and talk about it.
• 4:43
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so here we go, and I apologize to the family and anybody else who has been or are aware of this situation.
• 5:03
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't take it lightly when we talk about it, but it is a public safety issue, and so that's why we're talking about it, because one or more of us may actually witness what we're about to share, and so there's all kinds of trauma that comes along with that.
• 5:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so who are we talking about?
• 5:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're talking about Robert Enke Again, I hope I said that correctly.
• 5:49
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That is E-N-K-E, and he was a goalkeeper, played for Hanover 96.
• 6:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He earned eight caps for Germany and he was a real standout because of his reflexes, his composure and intelligence and, prior to his death, he was at one time expected to be Germany's first choice keeper or goalie for the 2010 World Cup.
• 6:40
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But as we progress, nk had battled depression since 2003 and, like a lot of us, whether we know it or not, we try to keep some.
• 7:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Whether we know it or not, we try to keep some things closer to us.
• 7:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't want to share it, for, whatever that reason may be, I'm going to be judged or I can't.
• 7:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm the man of the house and I'm not able to have emotions or whatever that may be.
• 7:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so Enki, his wife and only a few close colleagues or associates were really, really so.
• 8:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Enki's wife and associate and colleague were kind of that smaller group that understood Enki's struggles and his public persona, enki's belied, his mental turmoil, and so all these things that we've covered up until now, and we're going to get a little more more clarity as we continue, but as it stands now Enkis more clarity as we continue, but as it stands now.
• 8:51
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Enke's a great football player.
• 8:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He's a great player, is getting a lot of attention because he's good at what he does, and yet we would look at a person like that and say, well, what's the big deal you have?
• 9:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Look at all this money, look at all this fame.
• 9:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I wish I had that money, that kind this money.
• 9:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Look at all this fame.
• 9:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I wish I had that money, that kind of money.
• 9:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I wish I had that fame.
• 9:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I wish people were waiting outside my house to take my photos.
• 9:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So these things were going on in Enki's life.
• 9:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so these things were going on in Enki's life and unfortunately, on November 10th of 2009, so going on 16 years ago from when this occurred, on November 10, 2009, enki died by suicide after stepping in front of a train.
• 10:10
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You heard me and saw me.
• 10:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He stepped in front of a moving train near Neustadt, rubenburg I pray I'm saying these cities and names correctly.
• 10:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Many apologies if I'm not.
• 10:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm trying my best.
• 10:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so Enke passed away and he was only the age of 32.
• 10:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So once this news started to circulate around the football world and across Germany, it really sent shockwaves.
• 10:58
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Germany, it really sent shockwaves.
• 11:03
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: As we mentioned, everything leading up to Anki tragically passing by suicide, stepping in front of that train, there were just so many demands, so many things that were going on as it related to Yankee and football and life where, you know, in an elite football player, it demands perfection, leaving very little room, if any, for vulnerability, and so I can only imagine it was hard for Enki to share his emotions, share how he's feeling.
• 12:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He thought that if he did disclose his illness to the team, to the club, it might cost him his career and, additionally, an additional thing could also cost him a chance for him and his wife to adopt a second child.
• 12:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And we've talked about stigma for years and yes, this is 2009 that this happened.
• 12:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's high profile, it's worldwide.
• 12:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, it happened in Western Europe, but it has a national appeal and the stigma around mental illness back then and to a large degree now it's still there.
• 13:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So to see how many people showed up at NK's public memorial at the Hanover's HDI Arena there were 40,000-plus fans that attended this memorial and tributes came in all over the world.
• 13:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: His death became a real collective reflection point for the sport, and Germany even postponed one of their scheduled international matches out of respect one of their scheduled international matches out of respect.
• 14:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The media's responsibility and this is something that's very interesting to me is that Enki had previously experienced panic attacks.
• 14:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, guess who else has I have?
• 14:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I've experienced panic attacks as recently as just a week, week and a half ago.
• 14:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You may have experienced panic attacks.
• 14:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You may have continuous panic attacks.
• 14:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You know what we're talking about.
• 14:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So Enki had previously had these panic attacks and he had harsh treatment by the media during his time and he was with FC Barcelona and Fenner Bocci, and what this really intense scrutiny was really compounding is internal battles, and the media's role in taking that stress to that next level became a focal point of debate.
• 15:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: As of now there's a foundation called the Robert N Key Foundation and this was started to raise awareness about mental health and sport to raise awareness about mental health in sport.
• 15:43
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so what it does?
• 15:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It funds research and offers support to athletes dealing with depression, and it's been a model for similar initiatives across Europe.
• 15:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And then football's slow awakening, since NQDF, clubs have gradually begun integrating mental health resources.
• 16:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The DFB mandated psychological support in youth academies.
• 16:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And still, just incredible, even with that, and yet, only three of 18 clubs had full-time sports psychologists by 2023.
• 16:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: This happened 16 years ago and just two years ago, only three out of 18 clubs had a full-time sports psychologist on staff.
• 17:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely incredible.
• 17:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Since then, there's been a few players, just a few.
• 17:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That well, there's more than a few, but the ones we have listed with this the boards on Limited News and Daily Mail Daily Mail UK article around Enki that there are top players like Andre Shirley, benjamin Pavard and Marco Asensio.
• 17:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Since then, they've shared their own mental health battles and Enki's story has opened a door for others to speak Not just for others to speak, but to speak without shame, something that we try to do here.
• 18:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Voices for Voices and openness has become more common, but there are challenges nevertheless that remain.
• 18:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's always going to be challenges, with about everything you know as a learning from the tragedy.
• 18:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Each year, german clubs commemorate Enke's death as a reminder of mental health importance.
• 18:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: His story is taught in coaching courses as a case study, and football has not forgotten and you forgotten, nor can it really forgets what occurred Just the short years of the team.
• 18:51
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I say, oh, that's 16 years, a long time.
• 18:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But, as we just mentioned, that even at that point there were so in 2023, that there were still, for all these years, so little of those football clubs that have sports psychologists on staff full time, and that's just remarkable to me.
• 19:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know how that's possible.
• 19:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm going to continue talking about this.
• 19:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We talked about how Robert Enke seemingly had it all the same source as we continue.
• 19:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Had it all, and so the same sources as we continue.
• 19:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He had a beautiful wife, he had the homes, the cars you had, those expensive suits by Hugo Boss, and the honor of playing and goal as a goalie for his national team at the next year's World Cup in South Africa and a term that I haven't heard before.
• 20:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But I think it's fitting that nobody saw the spiritual cancer he was suffering.
• 20:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we talk about the cancer of the body and we're able to see on scans and different methods.
• 20:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Spiritual cancer is a good way to put it.
• 20:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And we, shortly before 6 pm on Tuesday, that day, the 190 Bundesliga appearances, a 5 million Euro fortune, the black Mercedes, 4x4 and the Porsche added up to nothing.
• 21:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So all these things and stuff added up to nothing.
• 21:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So all these things and stuff added up to nothing.
• 21:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And why is this?
• 21:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Because he parked that Mercedes on the side street of a Hanover suburb.
• 21:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He put the keys in his wallet on the passenger seat, got out.
• 21:43
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It was raining outside, so he got out in the rain and he walked along a lonely station platform and he hurled himself beneath the screeching iron wheels of the Brahman Hanover 4427 Express train.
• 22:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And the spot was not random, and this is something that's really important.
• 22:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Here, to just 200 yards from where he died, was the grave of his two-year-old daughter, laura, who died on September 17, 2006, during an operation meant to save her life from heart disease.
• 22:40
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Just heartbreaking, oh.
• 22:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So they adopted a two-month-old girl called Layla earlier in the year, and she's in her pain.
• 23:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That spiritual cancer never diminished.
• 23:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: At 6.17 pm, having earlier written a suicide note to his wife, teresa, and family, he died alone and tormented In family.
• 23:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He died alone and tormented In the suicide note and he asked for forgiveness for his conscious deception over his plans to kill himself.
• 23:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: His widow said at a press conference that he had irrational fears that Layla would be taken away from him.
• 23:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Dressed in black and struggling to hold back tears, teresa said when his depression was acute it was a tough time for us because then he lost all drive, all hope.
• 24:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He wanted to keep that quiet because he didn't want to lose everything, because with hindsight, being what it is, that was crazy.
• 24:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We went through so much together, the times he played an in-symbol, and Barcelona was hard.
• 24:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Then came the death of Lara, but that welded us even more together and then we thought we can face anything with our love, but we couldn't do everything.
• 24:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I tried to be there for him, to say to him that football wasn't everything.
• 24:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I tried to be there for him to say to him that football wasn't everything.
• 25:01
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There may be beautiful things, but there are many beautiful things in life and that he always wanted to help him get through this.
• 25:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, as we mentioned, this death of Enkei plunge Germany into mourning.
• 25:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Football Federation called off Saturday's friendly international with Chile because the players were just in so much shock.
• 25:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They had that memorial service set in moral services set in that the players and coaches needed time to process all this, and his coach broke down in tears after adding that NK's depression had gone unnoticed by teammates and officials.
• 25:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's, unfortunately, what can occur.
• 26:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Care was what Robert Enke needed, and it was in short supply in the environment he inhabited.
• 26:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Besides talking to his wife, he bore his suffering in silence.
• 26:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He did go to therapy.
• 26:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He tried to exercise the demons of guilt, the pain and loss, but no one beyond his close circle was aware of his problem.
• 26:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Now Dr Valentin Markser first treated him in 2003, but even he said I'm still in shock.
• 26:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And he suffered depression and the fear of failure and being in this high pressure live large, get rich and keep smiling world of international football.
• 27:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There was no one to help him, and so that really remains to be seen Whether his legacy will result in a change in the way top sportsmen are handled.
• 27:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Enke wasn't the first, and he won't be the last.
• 27:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: British football is no stranger to the tragedy of players taking their own lives while depressed.
• 27:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Justin Faschnau, the brother of John and the first open-line gay footballer, was found hanged in May 1998.
• 27:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Dave Clement, the QPR and England defender, poisoned himself in 1982 because he believed his career was finished after breaking a leg.
• 28:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And then there's also still yet.
• 28:03
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Former Scotland international Healy Gallagher, who played for Newcastle and Chelsea, died by walking in front of a train in June 1957.
• 28:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He was at the age of 54.
• 28:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: In October the same year, 25 year old Czech Jan Simak vanished without a trace from Hanover, before emerging a few days later to say he wanted to leave the murky world of football and set up a pub in South Bohemia so that he could no longer take the pressure of being a professional football player.
• 29:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Just hours after Enke's death, the German PFA deplored the huge pressures that people like him were placed under.
• 29:11
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's a director, ulf Baranowski says there are increasing psychological loads burdened on these players.
• 29:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No one saw it coming and that makes the shock all the worse.
• 29:32
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Pressure is continuing to build on players and we must take steps to counteract them.
• 29:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: More needs to be done.
• 29:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The pressures don't go away.
• 29:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And then the other night after this tragic situation, english PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor said that footballers' mental health was now very much on their agenda.
• 30:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He said clubs have to treat this issue seriously, he said.
• 30:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Then there was Stan Collymore, whose situation was well documented in the past.
• 30:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Mental welfare is every bit as important as physical welfare.
• 30:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They continue to make great use of the sporting chance clinic.
• 30:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They can look at cases of people who have been down the various problematic roads and use their experience to good effect.
• 30:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But there's really no guarantees, as we know.
• 30:51
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's a very powerful story, just some.
• 31:01
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It was a very powerful story, just very sad.
• 31:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Just sad that this occurred.
• 31:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I want to thank the Daily Mail, daily Mail UK and Sports Unlimited News for providing much of the content we used in this episode today.
• 31:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So the few closing thoughts are nobody's perfect.
• 31:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're all going through something.
• 31:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Be kind to others, talk to somebody.
• 31:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Everybody's life is worth living, and so again, and so again.
• 32:03
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: What I would like to say is it's easy to say these things, but it's so much different to actually do them, and that's where we're at.
• 32:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We can talk about ending the stigma sorry, I got these allergies that just pop up whenever we can talk about how we want this stigma to end and all these things, but if we don't take action, then it's a hollow response.
• 32:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, that's the fact of the matter.
• 32:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So if we're going to call ourselves leaders and we're going to call ourselves wanting to help.
• 32:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We've got to do the hard things.
• 33:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have to actually do them.
• 33:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have to do something.
• 33:10
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't just sit idly.
• 33:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't just put out a PR statement.
• 33:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't just put out a hot quote.
• 33:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have to do something and quote we have to do something and we have to continue to do something.
• 33:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: These are not isolated instances.
• 33:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That happened before, and up until and unless we as and up until and unless we as leaders and us as a society, not just in the United States, but across the world, until the actions are done, this will not get solved.
• 34:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's a lot of great organizations, a lot of great people out there, but there's very few that are actually not just talking the talk.
• 34:29
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They're walking the walk.
• 34:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm going to interject here, I'm going to put a plug for Voices, for Voices in here, and use this example and also, first of all, the fact that we're covering this and we talked through this is monumental, because this is all in print.
• 34:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It wasn't in video form, it was in print, video form, it was in print.
• 35:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And then I want to talk about human trafficking.
• 35:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So many people come up and say and share hey, thank you for bringing this up and we're grateful that you're doing this.
• 35:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And then we have others that are just so silent Like you can hear a pin drop.
• 35:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They won't respond, they won't nothing, and I don't know why I don't have time to try to understand why.
• 35:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: All our time is limited on Earth.
• 35:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We all know this already.
• 35:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We all know this, and so we're not just talking the talk.
• 35:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We've stepped up.
• 35:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We've stepped up, we've stepped out.
• 36:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're attacking things head on.
• 36:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Falsehoods are spoken, we're attacking those head on.
• 36:10
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: When people are in situations that we feel are inhumane, we're not just talking about it, we're stepping up and stepping out.
• 36:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so you're either with us or you're not, and that's okay.
• 36:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's your decision to make, it's our decision to make, it's our decision to make.
• 36:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But we are not an organization that just sits back idly and puts out a quote here and there and then calls it a day.
• 36:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No, we do quite more than that and then calls it a day.
• 36:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No, we do quite more than that, and we have over 290 episodes To prove that, and like it's too.
• 37:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't even know it's been two and a half years or just two years, but in a very short amount of time, and I don't care if only one person is watching or listening, or 3 billion people are watching and listening.
• 37:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The goal, in my eyes, is to help at least one person.
• 37:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I know we have help at least one person I know we have.
• 37:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I receive feedback that we have, but that's not enough.
• 38:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We just got to keep going, keep plugging through, keep talking about the hard topics that others don't want to talk about.
• 38:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They just want to push under the rug, and it doesn't fit with whatever being politically correct.
• 38:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't even know.
• 38:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: All I know is I am so happy that Voices for Voices is here and is an outlet and speaks about the hard topics that others won't, for whatever reason, and so we want to give our condolences Again this is many years later to Mr Enke's family, friends, colleagues, players, coaches, whomever, and we hope that if this sounds like you or somebody you know, let them know that their life matters.
• 39:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Let them know that talking to somebody going to therapy doesn't make you weak, it makes you stronger, and then let them know that you support them, their decision making.
• 39:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what we can do.
• 39:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I know we can Because we're doing it.
• 39:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I know we can Because we're doing it.
• 39:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I know you can do it too.
• 39:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We all have that innate responsibility as human beings to help others, as basic, as simple as that may be.
• 40:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So let's just continue helping others.
• 40:11
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's going to be the naysayers, that's okay.
• 40:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's always going to be the naysayers.
• 40:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody's going to like 100% of what you do or what I do or what our organization does, and that's okay, as long as you can look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day, we're going to be okay.
• 40:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're going to be okay.
• 40:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we're going to be okay.
• 40:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we're going to be okay.
• 40:53
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So please check us out on our other episodes.
• 40:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Please give us a big thumbs up like share, follow, subscribe, comment, all those free things.
• 41:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Those are great, really.
• 41:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Do appreciate that.
• 41:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you want to volunteer, you can reach out to us.
• 41:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We do have volunteer openings.
• 41:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you're able to monetarily help out by donating, we are a 501c3 charity.
• 41:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: All your donations are federally tax deductible.
• 41:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You can do that, Venmo at Voices4 Voices, that's .
• 41:43
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• 41:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's VoicesforVo ices.
• 42:01
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: org.
• 42:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It takes you right to our homepage and right at the top middle, you can click on Support the show, support the organization and we can get you taken care of that way.
• 42:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, I'm Justin Alan Hayes, founder of Voices for Voices.
• 42:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Celebrate all of our voices and please be a voice for you or somebody in need.
• 42:29
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye.