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Sharri | 13 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi's foreign policy is now aligned with a brutal
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Speaker 3: terror group and not our traditional allies. Israeli military star
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Conricus will slam this betrayal on the show tonight.
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Speaker 3: Plus what did police find in the raid on the
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Speaker 3: home of an alleged Chinese spy? Those inside details coming
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Speaker 3: up a bit later. And is Kelly Sloane considering standing
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Speaker 3: for leader of the Liberal Party in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll ask her shortly when she's on the show.
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Speaker 3: But first, today, the world's most murderous and bloodthirsty terror
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Speaker 3: group celebrated Anthony Albanesi's decision to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: The group that decapitated.
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Speaker 3: Babies, shot parents in front of their children, and hunted
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Speaker 3: teenagers dancing at a music festival is on the same
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Speaker 3: page as Albanesi and praises.
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Speaker 2: His political courage.
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Speaker 3: This tells you everything that is wrong with the morally
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Speaker 3: corrupt and disgraceful Albanesi government. We said over and over
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Speaker 3: again that recognizing a Palestinian state rewards her mass for
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Speaker 3: October seven, and Albanesi angrily claimed on television that it
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Speaker 3: wasn't what the terror group wanted in her Maas.
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Speaker 4: I've seen some of the comments that have been made
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Speaker 4: about her Maas somehow being rewarded. Her Maas is opposed
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Speaker 4: to two states. This is the opposite of what her
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Speaker 4: Maas wants. Her Mas will be totally opposed to this decision.
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Speaker 4: Her mass do not want this, Her mass don't want
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Speaker 4: two states.
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Speaker 2: As usual, it was one hundred percent wrong.
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Speaker 3: This isn't surprising because Albanese is not terribly bright or
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Speaker 3: well informed, and he's developed a reputation by those who
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Speaker 3: know him for avoiding the detail the facts. He's also
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Speaker 3: got his lifelong history as a pro Palestinian activist and
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Speaker 3: this has been driving him as Prime Minister. And so
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Speaker 3: today the news that one of hamasa's most senior officials
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Speaker 3: in the West Bank, Shaik Hassan Yusef, told the Sidney
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Speaker 3: Morning Herald. We welcome Australia's decision to recognize the state
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Speaker 3: of Palestine and consider it an important step towards achieving
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Speaker 3: justice for our people and securing their legitimate rights. This
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Speaker 3: position reflects political courage and a commitment to the values
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Speaker 3: of justice and the right of peoples to self determination
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Speaker 3: and how can hermas speak about justice? But Hamas praising
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Speaker 3: Albanesi for political courage is despicable. And Hamas holds Albanesi
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Speaker 3: up as the model nation on other countries too, and
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Speaker 3: I quote follow Australia's example. USUF also told Matthew Knight
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Speaker 3: in The Herald that the escalation of armed resistance, including
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Speaker 3: on October seven, had encouraged countries like Australia to recognize
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian state, so directly citing the massacre of October seven.
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Speaker 3: There Now, this was a wake up call to the government,
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Speaker 3: to Australians, every day Australians, and to the journalists who
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Speaker 3: interviewed Albinizi and Penny Wong in recent days and naively
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Speaker 3: swallowed their spin. But it shouldn't come as a surprise
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Speaker 3: because despite Albanesi's insistent and desperate denials, Hamas has been
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Speaker 3: making similar statements for a while. Here's Hamas's official Ghazi Hammet,
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Speaker 3: speaking to Al Jazeera ten days ago.
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Speaker 5: About oktoberd let you would let's say, you and I
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Speaker 5: took it out and Jose was she in the here.
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Speaker 5: I had a philosoonylum well, I think we will look.
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Speaker 3: Be Fillo Siglia, but Hermas's praise today for Australia directly
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Speaker 3: is a new low. These terrorists raped girls and burnt
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Speaker 3: alive women, children, men on October seven. There was no mercy,
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Speaker 3: just the worst cruelty humanity has experienced. It is now
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Speaker 3: inarguable that Albanisi is a terrorist APPEASA, and I'm just
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Speaker 3: going to repeat that point.
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Speaker 2: Because it is important.
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Speaker 3: Alberanisi is a terrorist APPEASA. Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Michalia
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Speaker 3: Cash was on two GB earlier and she made a
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Speaker 3: similar point.
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Speaker 1: This is a shocking endorsement by a labor prime minister
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Speaker 1: from a terrorist leader. Quite frankly, mister Albanize should hang
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Speaker 1: his head in shame. This government is about rewarding terrorists.
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Speaker 6: Yep.
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Speaker 3: She's been very impressive and she'll be on this show
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Speaker 3: tomorrow night at eight o'clock, so don't miss that now.
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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal made the same point rather succinctly
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Speaker 3: in their editorial on the push by progressive Western nations
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Speaker 3: to recognize a Palestinian state. Their headline read killed Jews,
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Speaker 3: get your own state.
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Speaker 2: And that is the bottom line.
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Speaker 3: When the Albanese government's policies are aligned with a brutal
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Speaker 3: terrorist group and not with our traditional allies like America
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Speaker 3: and Israel. You know, there's a serious problem, and it's
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Speaker 3: a red flag that Albanezi will meet with the corrupt
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Speaker 3: anti Semite Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas before he even meets
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Speaker 3: with United States President Donald Trump, who was elected nine
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Speaker 3: months ago. US Secretary of State Marco Rubio got it
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent right when he said this of the
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Speaker 3: move to recognize a Palestinian state, Well, have you noticed
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Speaker 3: that the talks with her mask fell apart on the
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Speaker 3: day Macrone made the unilateral decision that he's going to
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Speaker 3: recognize a Palestinian statement. So ironic that a move to
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Speaker 3: supposedly end the war has only prolonged it and made
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Speaker 3: peace less likely and made it less likely that the
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Speaker 3: hostages will come home. And now her Musk will not
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Speaker 3: engage in future talks because it already has the outcome
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Speaker 3: it desired. It wants a Palestinian state to launch its
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Speaker 3: weapons from, and then it wants to destroy Israel. Even
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Speaker 3: Western Palestinians are taking up this campaign. The father of
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Speaker 3: Hollywood stars Bella and Jiji Hadid, and the father himself
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Speaker 3: as one point five million followers. He posted this on instant.
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Speaker 3: We no longer demand a ceasefire. We demand an end
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Speaker 3: to the state of Israel. And this is what some
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Speaker 3: from the pro Palestinian movement are calling for the destruction
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Speaker 3: of Israel from the river to the sea, global into Farda.
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Speaker 2: No more Zionists. These are racist and cruel demands.
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Speaker 3: Now, the ninety thousand or so people who marched over
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Speaker 3: the Harbor Bridge in the name of the Palestinian cause
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Speaker 3: perhaps don't realize that Israel already unilaterally withdrew from Gaza
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and five. In fact, it was twenty
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Speaker 3: years ago this week when nine thousand Jews left behind
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Speaker 3: their homes to give the Palestinians sovereignty and their own land.
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Speaker 2: Not a single Jew remained in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: In an incredible address to the United Newsations, the Israeli
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, said it was
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Speaker 3: now up to the Palestinians to prove their desire for peace.
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Speaker 7: The end of Israeli control over and responsibility for the
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Speaker 7: Gaza Strip allows the Palestinians, if they so wished, to
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Speaker 7: develop their economy and build a peace seeking society, which
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Speaker 7: is developed free, law abiding, transparent and which adheres democratic principles.
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Speaker 3: That was Ariel Sharon's vision. Yet instead of embracing independence
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Speaker 3: and peace, all that's eventuated is terrorism for Israelis and
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Speaker 3: deprivation for Palestinians. Tens of billions of dollars in international
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Speaker 3: aid or more went into a sophisticated tunnel network, while
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Speaker 3: civilian infrastructure was built over Harmas hideouts and weapons stockpiles. Equally,
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Speaker 3: a sobering is the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey
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Speaker 3: research in the Australian Today that shows there's still widespread
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Speaker 3: support for Harmas. Ben Packhen reports that sixty seven percent
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Speaker 3: of Palestinians in the West Bank are satisfied with Hermas
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Speaker 3: and forty three percent in Gaza. And this is compared
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Speaker 3: to the Palestinian Authority, which enjoys less than thirty percent support.
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Speaker 2: In the Palestinian territories.
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Speaker 3: And then you've got support for Mamuda bas sits at
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Speaker 3: just fifteen percent fifteen and the Australian reports that are overwhelming.
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Speaker 3: Seventy seven percent of respondents opposed the disarmament of Hermas
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Speaker 3: in Gaza in order to stop the war. Despite a
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Speaker 3: Bus's assurances to Albanesi that this would occur. Albanesi and
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Speaker 3: Wog are detached from reality if they think Hamas will
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Speaker 3: suddenly agree to lay down arms and the Palestinian authority
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Speaker 3: would miraculously embrace peace. Albanizi has been seriously misled by Mahmurabas,
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Speaker 3: and the pair were naive to believe him because Hamas
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Speaker 3: has no intention of giving up their weapons or any
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Speaker 3: control of Gaza, the group that committed such cruelty twenty
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Speaker 3: two months ago, provoking this war and still refusing to
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Speaker 3: end it by releasing the innocent hostages. The lesson learned
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Speaker 3: today is that just as young brave Jews are risking
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Speaker 3: or even sacrificing their lives trying to defeat Hermas, foolish
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Speaker 3: Western leaders are empowering the terrorist group. It's a far
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Speaker 3: cry from the rational Western leaders of the past who
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Speaker 3: successfully led forces to defeat Isis al Qaeda.
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Speaker 2: And the Nazi regime.
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Speaker 3: As history tells us, the only way to achieve peace
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Speaker 3: is to defeat terrorism.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is New South Wales Shadow Health Minister
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Speaker 3: Kelly Sloan.
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Speaker 2: Kelly, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 3: I want to get your response to this unsurprising news,
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Speaker 3: quite frankly, that the bloodthirsty terror group Hamas that we
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Speaker 3: saw killed and burned even babies on October seven, has
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Speaker 3: now praised Albanisi, welcoming his move to recognize the Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: What's your response to.
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Speaker 8: This, Well, I think when you see a terrorist organization
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Speaker 8: celebrating our foreign policy, you know our country is in
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Speaker 8: deep trouble Shari. I mean, as a state MP, normally
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Speaker 8: I don't delve into matters of foreign policy. I don't
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Speaker 8: think that's good practice. But I've had a lot of
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Speaker 8: feedback from my constituents. I represent the state seat of
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Speaker 8: All Clues, which has about twenty percent Jewish population. But
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Speaker 8: whether it's my Jewish constituency or others, there is a
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Speaker 8: widespread feeling of betrayal by the Albanesi government that they
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Speaker 8: don't feel supported. They feel this is naive, and you know,
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Speaker 8: sharing many of the people that speak to me want peace,
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Speaker 8: They want an end to war in Gaza, they don't
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Speaker 8: want children to be hungry, they want the hostages released.
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Speaker 8: But no one really believes that any of that will
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Speaker 8: be achieved by this political statement by Anthony Albanesi. And
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Speaker 8: I command my federal colleagues who've stood up to that absolutely.
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Speaker 3: And I think the biggest question that we've all been
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Speaker 3: struggling with this week is that Albanzi says Israel has
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Speaker 3: to withdraw from Gaza, and then he also says that
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Speaker 3: Hamas will lay on arms, will demilitarize, but he has
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Speaker 3: failed repeatedly to outline how exactly he thinks Hamas is
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Speaker 3: going to demilitarize. And he was asked this question today
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Speaker 3: by a journalist and he really struggled to answer.
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Speaker 2: Have a look just back to you earlier, ms.
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Speaker 8: I just want to make it clear.
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Speaker 2: So the way it's hoped to Marsi's demilitarized is.
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Speaker 4: From diplomatic fashion.
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Speaker 8: From that, Adaslee, He's not the path.
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Speaker 4: There's a range of paths, but we're not writing Middle
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Speaker 4: East policy in a backyard here in in Brisbane.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, Kelly, this is exactly what he's doing.
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Speaker 3: He is trying to write Middle East policy from Canberra.
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Speaker 8: Well he is, and it's an inconsistent position. There's no
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Speaker 8: yardstick to measure the outcomes he's seeking to achieve. They
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Speaker 8: indeed seem unachievable. And when you have Hamas celebrating it,
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Speaker 8: as I said, before you know, we are in strife
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Speaker 8: and look, foreign policy is not my area of expertise,
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Speaker 8: but my colleagues in Canberra have been very strong on this,
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Speaker 8: and I know they are being applauded right now by
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Speaker 8: people in our local communities.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: You know you mentioned your local community before that it
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Speaker 3: represents one of the largest Jewish communities in Australia. Well,
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Speaker 3: I know there's been a lot of disappointment in the Teals.
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Speaker 3: A leg respender has the same electra as your area.
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Speaker 3: She's of course the federal MP. She said this Israel's
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Speaker 3: Arab neighbors and the Palestinian authority are ready to negotiate,
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Speaker 3: to reach an agreement and confirm that her Musk will
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Speaker 3: have no role. Now, Kelly, I know from a lot
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Speaker 3: of people have spoken to me, this has been a
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Speaker 3: huge betrayal from the Teals from a leg respender. But
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Speaker 3: again it's that foolish belief that her Musk is suddenly
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Speaker 3: going to stop its terrorism when it has never done
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Speaker 3: that before and no one has outlined how that could
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Speaker 3: possibly happen. Are you disappointed in this as well? From
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Speaker 3: a leg respender? You know your federal counterpart.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think I have to leave her to speak
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Speaker 8: for herself. But I know what I hear more broadly
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Speaker 8: in the community, particularly about Anthony Alberinezi as this appears
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Speaker 8: to be foreign policy by fairy tale. It is fanciful.
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Speaker 8: There are no clear objectives on how to achieve that pathway,
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Speaker 8: and he is being ridiculed broadly for this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as he rightly should be. All right.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to this topic a bit
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Speaker 3: later in the show with Jonathan Conricus. But Kelly, I
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Speaker 3: also want to ask your thoughts and perhaps another bit
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Speaker 3: of a thorny issue. They've been front pages in the
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Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph over a potential challenge to the New South
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Speaker 3: Wales Liberal leader Mark Speakman. You are the front runner, Kelly,
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Speaker 3: are you considering running for leader?
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Speaker 2: Shari?
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Speaker 8: There is only one candidate for leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 8: Party in New South Wales and that is Mark Speakman,
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Speaker 8: and he has my support, he has the party room support,
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Speaker 8: and you know, I think the headlines that you've been
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Speaker 8: referring to in recent they're disappointing because they distract us
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Speaker 8: from what we want to be doing in New South
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Speaker 8: Wales and what we need to be doing, and that
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Speaker 8: is holding a very poor Labor government to account for
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Speaker 8: their series of missteps and failures.
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would like to see
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Speaker 3: you eventually as leader as the Liberal Party paps, even
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Speaker 3: as the next start Liberal premier. But this current issue
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Speaker 3: over his leadership stems from his inability to unite the
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Speaker 3: party on renewables on net zero Wendy Tuckerman's resignation, of course,
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Speaker 3: do you think the party position needs to change when
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Speaker 3: it comes to renewables and net zero?
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Speaker 8: I think what we need to be doing is listening
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Speaker 8: to our regional communities very closely. So my colleagues and
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Speaker 8: I are consistent in terms of appreciating that there is
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Speaker 8: a very big role for the rollout of renewables. What
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Speaker 8: is happening though in our regional towns and communities is
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Speaker 8: they are feeling like the planning system is righting roughshot
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Speaker 8: over them, and we need to be holding Labor to
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Speaker 8: account for the way they are managing the rollout. The
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Speaker 8: fact that communities who have been very generous, who bear
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Speaker 8: the branch of any climate change in a way that
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Speaker 8: we don't in the city, and have the disproportionate impact
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Speaker 8: on their communities with the rollouts of huge wind farms
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Speaker 8: and solar farms. They've been very generous in terms of
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Speaker 8: that rollout, but they feel like they are at breaking
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Speaker 8: point and we must listen to that.
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Speaker 3: We've also got concerns of blackouts in New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: This is particularly because of the loom enclosure of the
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Speaker 3: Eraaran coulfired power station, the largest the states, preparing to
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Speaker 3: lose about twenty percent or up to twenty percent of
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Speaker 3: its long term energy supply from August twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 3: We already know that the Men's government extended its life cycle.
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Speaker 3: Do you think there should be a discussion about perhaps
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Speaker 3: doing this again to avoid backouts?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think it was the right thing to do
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Speaker 8: to extend a erring. I know that cold fire power
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Speaker 8: makes up about seventy percent of our energy needs and
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Speaker 8: if we take twenty percent out of that, we need
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Speaker 8: to find a new source and that is why the
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Speaker 8: renewables are rolling out at pace. But I do understand
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Speaker 8: that the Energy Minister Penish up in New South Wales
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Speaker 8: has ruled out an extension to auring they are failing
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Speaker 8: in their role out of the energy roadmap in New
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Speaker 8: South Wales and they need to be providing a plan
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Speaker 8: for this because we cannot afford to see blackouts in
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Speaker 8: the future, and if that happens, and we seem to
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Speaker 8: be on track to that, then there will be a
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Speaker 8: loss of social license for the rollout of renewables as well.
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Speaker 8: And we need a mix of energy. We need reliability
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Speaker 8: and we need affordability. We are not seeing those two things,
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Speaker 8: reliability affordability.
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Speaker 2: What is the plan?
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Speaker 8: We are not seeing it from labor other than rush
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Speaker 8: legislation into our parliament.
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Speaker 2: All right, Kelly, great to have you on the show.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you, Shary.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring you tonight's pan on our Sky News host
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Speaker 3: James McPherson, who did a brilliant job filling in for
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Speaker 3: me last night and I was watching from home, had
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Speaker 3: a bit of a flu and James, you were making
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Speaker 3: me laugh when you spoke about how Albo said from
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Speaker 3: the river to the or from the Jordan River to
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Speaker 3: the ocean, and you were quite hilarious. And also, of
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Speaker 3: course welcome to former John Howard advised David Gazard. I mean, James,
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Speaker 3: this has been just a face the whole thing. He
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Speaker 3: didn't know, you know that it's the Mediterranean Sea. He
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Speaker 3: called it an ocean, and now today he's praised by
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Speaker 3: her Mus.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Anthony Albanez has never been known for his ability
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Speaker 9: to be across the detail. But I mean, this is
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Speaker 9: a pretty important issue. There's no more important issue in
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Speaker 9: the world right now, and you'd expect the Prime Minister
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Speaker 9: to at least know which see he's speaking about when
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Speaker 9: quoting that particular chant. And the fact that her mask
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Speaker 9: came out today praising his decision was in predictable because,
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Speaker 9: as you pointed out earlier in the program, he must
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Speaker 9: have been saying that they liked this idea when the
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Speaker 9: French supported it, when the Brits, the Canadians supported it.
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Speaker 9: So for Anthiolbenzi to be surprised that Hamas like his
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Speaker 9: idea is quite something. But here's the thing we now have, Shari,
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Speaker 9: we now have a prime minister who's loved by Hamas
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Speaker 9: and by the Chinese Communist Party. That's quite something.
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Speaker 3: No, And just on that point, David, I think this
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Speaker 3: is actually incredibly serious, and I don't think most of
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Speaker 3: the media are acknowledging just how big of an issue
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Speaker 3: this is. That today Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State,
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Speaker 3: you know, dismissed or criticized the move by Australia, Canada,
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Speaker 3: the UK and others to recognize a Palestinian state, and
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Speaker 3: you had the worst terrorist group on this earth. Today,
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Speaker 3: praise our government. This is the most whopped foreign policy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine just how different this government
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Speaker 3: is from John Howard's Prime ministership. What you were an
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Speaker 3: advisor to John Howard others who stood firm against terrorism.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's been the longest and most enduring security treatment
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Speaker 10: of our lifetimes. The US alliance, China is not going
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Speaker 10: to come to our defense. It's fanciful to believe that
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Speaker 10: we can go it on our own. The US has been,
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Speaker 10: you know, our strongest economic partner, even though we do
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Speaker 10: a lot of trade with China. So the idea I
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Speaker 10: think that has sort of taken hold is that we
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Speaker 10: can dismiss the US. And in some ways, I think
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Speaker 10: the presidency of Donald Trump has forced the left further
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Speaker 10: and they're now unlikely bedfellows with hamas with China, with Putin,
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Speaker 10: these are all in the same club and bizarre the
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Speaker 10: thing that I can't get my head around still is
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Speaker 10: that they seem to be supporting the I A Tooley
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Speaker 10: in Iran who has been the master in creating the
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Speaker 10: puppet state of the puppet administration of a mass in Gaza.
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Speaker 10: So it does your head in and it's distressing and
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Speaker 10: I can only imagine what it's like to be a
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Speaker 10: Jewish person in Australia at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not good. It is depressing, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3: Come back to this a bit later with Jonathan Conricus.
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Speaker 2: I want to look at this move by.
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Speaker 3: The unions to push for a four day working week
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Speaker 3: but still on the same pay as five days. The
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Speaker 3: ACTU has come out and said this would make workers
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Speaker 3: and employers happier and healthier. Have a look at ACTU
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Speaker 3: President Michelle O'Neil.
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Speaker 11: All the independent studies into it show you that it's
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Speaker 11: really good for working people and for businesses. And it's
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Speaker 11: good for a few reasons. It's good because workers' performance improved,
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Speaker 11: they're healthier, they're more likely to stay in the job,
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Speaker 11: they're less likely to get burnt out.
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Speaker 3: I mean, James, this is meant to be a productivity summit.
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Speaker 3: Isn't a four day week the antithesis of productivity?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it. Let's come up with ideas
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Speaker 9: to improve productivity. I know what about we work less
23:23
Speaker 9: in the same pay. How does that add up? But
23:27
Speaker 9: the math seems to go Shari that we can get
23:31
Speaker 9: five days work done in four. Now, if that's true,
23:35
Speaker 9: why can't they get six days work done in five?
23:38
Speaker 9: That would be a way to increase productivity. If they're
23:42
Speaker 9: sitting around and wasting so much time that they can
23:44
Speaker 9: do five in four, We'll then do six in five
23:47
Speaker 9: and see Australia really get some productivity. That the quotes
23:50
Speaker 9: there that workers will have less burnout, they'll be more organized,
23:53
Speaker 9: et cetera, et cetera. Those comments are not from any
23:57
Speaker 9: qualitative studies. They're from feedback from work. Have been asked
24:01
Speaker 9: if you worked four days rather than five, how do
24:04
Speaker 9: you think you would go? And of course workers are
24:06
Speaker 9: going to say, oh, we'd be far more productive. I'd
24:09
Speaker 9: say that as well, but everybody knows it's a.
24:11
Speaker 2: Furfey no, of course.
24:12
Speaker 3: But David, you know this is part of a broader trend.
24:15
Speaker 3: I suppose where governments are interfering in business practices. I
24:18
Speaker 3: mean you look at not contacting workers after hours, just
24:22
Speaker 3: into Alan saying that she's introducing laws where you can
24:26
Speaker 3: work from home two days a week.
24:28
Speaker 2: And now perhaps this is a plan to have four days.
24:31
Speaker 3: I mean, shouldn't these labor governments just leave business to
24:36
Speaker 3: deal with their own work practices.
24:40
Speaker 10: Well, it's somewhat worse than that, I think, Shari in
24:43
Speaker 10: that the Treasurer and Prime Minister are now laying the
24:48
Speaker 10: responsibility of lifting productivity at the feet of business and
24:52
Speaker 10: wanting business to play a greater part, while having the
24:56
Speaker 10: Productivity Summit which has this four day one week you know,
25:00
Speaker 10: so people work less to create more productivity. But don't
25:05
Speaker 10: forget in the last term the the ALP government adopted
25:10
Speaker 10: almost all of the a CTU demands to take our
25:14
Speaker 10: industrial relation system back to pre Hawk and Keyting levels.
25:19
Speaker 10: So it is chlorotic at the moment. Business is still
25:23
Speaker 10: dealing with that, and we've got the latest, the latest
25:26
Speaker 10: iteration from the Act, which is to get workers to
25:29
Speaker 10: work less. Now, the one the one tool that could
25:34
Speaker 10: be used to generate greater productivity is AI. It's managed
25:38
Speaker 10: and regulated properly, that actually could be the harbinger of
25:44
Speaker 10: people working a four day week or even less if
25:47
Speaker 10: they were able to use that. But because the unions
25:49
Speaker 10: are implacably opposed to the introduction of AI because they
25:54
Speaker 10: might lose members, so you know it's not a productive
25:58
Speaker 10: it sort of gives you the context around this productivity summit,
26:02
Speaker 10: which really I don't think is going to be much
26:04
Speaker 10: about productivity at all. It's going to be around texting
26:07
Speaker 10: and spending.
26:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:09
Speaker 3: I want to talk about this most shocking story today,
26:12
Speaker 3: so sad. This is the alleged double murder of a
26:15
Speaker 3: pregnant woman and her partner in Melbourne. Now a homeless
26:20
Speaker 3: man has been charged and we had fresh details about
26:23
Speaker 3: this today. Apparently graffiti was discovered at the couple's home
26:28
Speaker 3: that read karma is not a menu and made references
26:31
Speaker 3: to veganism such as meat his murder. I mean, James,
26:37
Speaker 3: this crime wave is truly changing life in Melbourne. So
26:41
Speaker 3: many people, so many families now feel I'm safer and
26:45
Speaker 3: to look at this beautiful pregnant woman now has been killed.
26:51
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, like everybody else, I was reading it
26:53
Speaker 9: on the front pages of the papers and just horrified
26:55
Speaker 9: at the details and actually had someone say to me today,
26:58
Speaker 9: that's not the sort of thing that would happen in Sydney.
27:00
Speaker 9: But it's the kind of thing, sadly, that you're not
27:03
Speaker 9: that surprised to hear about in Victoria where there's a
27:06
Speaker 9: definite problem with crime, and it all goes back to
27:10
Speaker 9: remember the broken windows theory. I think it was Rudy
27:13
Speaker 9: Giuliano in New York. If you don't police little crimes,
27:16
Speaker 9: pretty soon you end up with big crimes. And there's
27:19
Speaker 9: just been a general apathy, it seems, from the government
27:22
Speaker 9: down towards getting tough on crime, and the result is
27:27
Speaker 9: you end up with a lawless state. And I've got friends,
27:29
Speaker 9: I've got family living in Victoria, and they all are
27:32
Speaker 9: singing from the same song sheet. They say crime is rampant.
27:36
Speaker 9: They lock their doors and double check that they've locked
27:39
Speaker 9: their doors, and it goes back to the government being
27:42
Speaker 9: soft on crime.
27:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, David, what needs to happen to deal
27:46
Speaker 3: with this crime wave? Do you think it would make
27:47
Speaker 3: a difference if there was a different state government?
27:52
Speaker 10: Well, I think so. And it goes to the incompetence
27:55
Speaker 10: of the opposition in Victoria that they haven't really been
27:58
Speaker 10: able to spell out a a useful agenda. They've tried,
28:02
Speaker 10: but it's always looked desperate and at the last minute.
28:05
Speaker 10: You know, viewers of this show will remember the home
28:09
Speaker 10: invasion problem that that that Victoria had some years ago,
28:15
Speaker 10: the robberies on trains, the Machette amnesty that the government
28:20
Speaker 10: has in place at the moment that the running warfare
28:23
Speaker 10: between gangs on on Melbourne streets. The thing that's always
28:29
Speaker 10: appealed to me as being one of the problems there
28:32
Speaker 10: is the appointment of a series series of left wing
28:36
Speaker 10: magistrates who who pushed these criminals back on the streets
28:40
Speaker 10: without really any any any punishment that's effective. It's sort
28:45
Speaker 10: of everything is sort of geared to assist the criminal
28:48
Speaker 10: rather than rather than the individual who who's trying to
28:51
Speaker 10: abide the law.
28:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you.
28:55
Speaker 3: The magistrates and bail is a big part of the
28:58
Speaker 3: body issue.
28:59
Speaker 2: And I just end I saw this today.
29:01
Speaker 3: Now, one of the great things about Australia, say compared
29:04
Speaker 3: to the US, is how accessible our former prime ministers are,
29:09
Speaker 3: but this was even taking it to the next level.
29:13
Speaker 3: Former Prime Minister Tony Abbot was snapped this week in
29:17
Speaker 3: this hilarious footage.
29:18
Speaker 6: Have a look, so we're going to show it to
29:29
Speaker 6: you again.
29:29
Speaker 2: So here he is.
29:31
Speaker 3: Can you see he's there directing traffic in a parking lot,
29:36
Speaker 3: perhaps for a supermarket. I mean, James, we know Tony
29:40
Speaker 3: Abbott loves to serve the public. He's been a lifeguard
29:43
Speaker 3: among a firefighter, so this is just part of his nature.
29:47
Speaker 3: He's up there directing traffic holding up a ballard.
29:52
Speaker 9: It is Sherry, but imagine if it was Anthony Alberanezi.
29:55
Speaker 9: You wouldn't be able to drive straight through. You'd have
29:57
Speaker 9: to stop and pay a toll.
30:00
Speaker 6: True, that's true, but I mean it's quite impressive.
30:03
Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on with it with
30:04
Speaker 3: the carpike, but he was actually David holding up that,
30:09
Speaker 3: you know, the parking ballart.
30:11
Speaker 10: Yeah. Look, this is a feature of Australian politics. I
30:15
Speaker 10: lived overseas for a while in North America and I
30:19
Speaker 10: was surprised when I came back to Australia that people
30:22
Speaker 10: would would come up when we were walking in a
30:25
Speaker 10: street when I was working for John Howard and just
30:28
Speaker 10: give him a piece of their mind about whatever was
30:31
Speaker 10: occupying their thoughts at the time. That the security detail,
30:36
Speaker 10: minuscule as it was, would just sit back and there'd
30:38
Speaker 10: be finger pointing, and the Prime Minister would engage in
30:41
Speaker 10: a conversation on a busy street because he felt that
30:45
Speaker 10: was his obligation.
30:46
Speaker 5: This was he was.
30:47
Speaker 10: First among equals not not someone who could just sort
30:50
Speaker 10: of walk past in it behind a foralanx of security guards.
30:54
Speaker 10: And clearly Tony Abbott feels very comfortable with fulfilling his
30:59
Speaker 10: civic whether it be on the beach or the bushfire
31:02
Speaker 10: in the Bushfire Brigade.
31:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great.
31:05
Speaker 3: And of course John how it had that morning walk
31:07
Speaker 3: and everyone kind of knew his routine so people could
31:10
Speaker 3: come up to a right Thank you both so much.
31:13
Speaker 3: Great to see you and still to come on the show.
31:16
Speaker 3: Israeli military star Jonathan Conrecus will slam Alban Easy for
31:20
Speaker 3: betraying Israel and rewarding Hamas. Plus is the view television show.
31:25
Speaker 3: Finally on the chopping block. That's next, welcome back. Okay,
31:33
Speaker 3: we've got Jonathan Conrecas coming up shortly, but now let's
31:36
Speaker 3: bring in Sky News contributor Kosher Gada.
31:39
Speaker 2: Coach. You're great to see you.
31:41
Speaker 3: Look at a time when the Australian Prime Minister has
31:43
Speaker 3: absolutely no relationship to speak of with Trump, a US
31:48
Speaker 3: Secretary of State Mark Rubio has branded Australia's intention to
31:52
Speaker 3: recognize the Palestinian state as meaningless.
31:55
Speaker 12: Here he was today, It's symbolic and They're doing it
31:59
Speaker 12: primarily for one reason, and that is their internal politics.
32:02
Speaker 2: They're domestic politics.
32:05
Speaker 3: This was speaking about other countries who are also doing this,
32:08
Speaker 3: not Australia specifically, but kosher. Trump is going to look
32:11
Speaker 3: at this move and he's going to see Albin Ezi
32:13
Speaker 3: for what he is, a left wing socialist activist, not
32:17
Speaker 3: a serious prime minister.
32:21
Speaker 13: You know, I think you're right, Charr that he has
32:23
Speaker 13: made no secret of the fact that he doesn't particularly
32:27
Speaker 13: think that highly or doesn't really think much at all.
32:29
Speaker 13: I think in general about Australia, it's not really at
32:32
Speaker 13: the top of the pecking order of all the issues
32:34
Speaker 13: that Trump is grappling with, and specifically Albanezi. He certainly
32:37
Speaker 13: has exchanged words with Kevin Rudd in the past. Both
32:40
Speaker 13: of them have exchanged words that are less than kind.
32:42
Speaker 13: So I wouldn't say that he's their biggest fans on
32:44
Speaker 13: a personal level, and Trump is well known to be
32:46
Speaker 13: somebody's a little bit personality driven to start with, and
32:49
Speaker 13: then on top of that, on the position he has
32:52
Speaker 13: been pretty scathing of various countries, as you mentioned Franz, Canada,
32:56
Speaker 13: UK others that have taken this position. He's woven terror
33:00
Speaker 13: rheterick In as a release to Canada, for instance, when
33:02
Speaker 13: they came out in support of something similar at the
33:06
Speaker 13: end of July, he threatened them a tariff. So he's
33:08
Speaker 13: taken a scathing approach. He hasn't really zeroed in himself
33:12
Speaker 13: on Australia yet, but I'm sure he's lumping this position
33:15
Speaker 13: in with the other countries where he has spoken quite
33:17
Speaker 13: harshly against their position on this.
33:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:20
Speaker 3: Now, Trump and Vladimir Putin are preparing to meet this
33:24
Speaker 3: Friday in Alaska amid high stakes peace negotiations, but Russia
33:30
Speaker 3: has been reportedly advancing its plans for territorial expansion even
33:35
Speaker 3: this week. Potin seeking a full Ukrainian withdrawal from the
33:40
Speaker 3: eastern region of don Esque as part of any deal,
33:43
Speaker 3: any ceasefire deal.
33:44
Speaker 2: I mean, Kosha, do you think.
33:46
Speaker 3: Potin is going to be willing to give up on
33:47
Speaker 3: his demands for Ukrainian territory.
33:52
Speaker 13: I think that is the million dollar question. Trump said, quote,
33:56
Speaker 13: he'll know in the first two minutes if he's going
33:59
Speaker 13: to get some sort of a deal with Putner. Advancement
34:01
Speaker 13: I guess towards a piece deal of some nature. He's
34:04
Speaker 13: also signaled that There's going to be some kind of
34:06
Speaker 13: land swap, is how he's put it, which suggests that
34:10
Speaker 13: I'm sure they're having back channel conversations and some sort
34:13
Speaker 13: of concession around the territorial gains is in play. We
34:17
Speaker 13: know President Zelenski has previously said he absolutely will not
34:20
Speaker 13: want to trade land in exchange for peace. But the
34:23
Speaker 13: writing on the wall seems to be that the final
34:25
Speaker 13: outcome of this is going to involve some sort of
34:28
Speaker 13: concession there Now where those lines are. How far in
34:31
Speaker 13: the down vass region that I think is where the
34:33
Speaker 13: devil is in the details, but it looks to be
34:35
Speaker 13: in that direction. We'll see what comes out of this.
34:37
Speaker 13: I think this is the next step in the ladder.
34:40
Speaker 13: After this. President Trump has said that the next expectation
34:43
Speaker 13: is that the two leaders, Putin and Zelenski will meet
34:45
Speaker 13: and hopefully we get closer to some kind of resolution.
34:48
Speaker 3: Hopefully indeed, just on a lighter topic, the US left
34:52
Speaker 3: wing television show The View reportedly could be on the
34:56
Speaker 3: chopping block. Rumusfest added swelling about this when a White
34:59
Speaker 3: House spokesperson slammed one of the hosts after an outburst
35:04
Speaker 3: about Trump.
35:04
Speaker 2: A regular thing that outbursts about Trump.
35:08
Speaker 3: The comment from the White House spokesperson said Beha is
35:12
Speaker 3: an irrelevant loser suffering from a severe case of Trump
35:16
Speaker 3: derangement syndrome. It's no surprise that The View's writings hit
35:20
Speaker 3: an all time low last year.
35:21
Speaker 2: She should reflect on.
35:22
Speaker 3: Her own jealousy of Trump's historic popularity before her show
35:27
Speaker 3: is next to be pulled off air. So, Koacher, are
35:29
Speaker 3: these just rumors or do you think there's more to it?
35:34
Speaker 2: Right now?
35:35
Speaker 13: They seem to be rumors because the show typically does
35:38
Speaker 13: go on summer hiatus. They've done that many times. That's
35:40
Speaker 13: where they're going now, that's where the rumors stemmed this comment.
35:44
Speaker 13: I think Rosie o'donnelld, the former host, also added to
35:47
Speaker 13: the rumor mill. And various people are speculating. But who knows.
35:51
Speaker 13: You know, a lot of famous shows, from Howard Stern
35:53
Speaker 13: to Stephen Colbert are getting on the chopping block, so
35:56
Speaker 13: people are thinking that it might be a new day.
35:58
Speaker 13: But the View curiously does seem to have strong readings,
36:01
Speaker 13: and it actually has held on to its readings, which
36:04
Speaker 13: can be frustrating to people who are a little bit
36:06
Speaker 13: more informed. And when they look at the I would
36:08
Speaker 13: say drivel that comes out of the hosts of that show.
36:10
Speaker 13: Often it can be surprising, but it does rate well
36:13
Speaker 13: for the daytime time frame, time slot that.
36:16
Speaker 2: It airs in. And so I don't know.
36:18
Speaker 13: I think it's a little bit too early to say,
36:20
Speaker 13: but we should know in a few weeks to a month.
36:23
Speaker 3: All right, Kosha, really appreciate your insights as always tonight,
36:26
Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, and still to come. What did
36:30
Speaker 3: police find when they stormed the house of an alleged
36:33
Speaker 3: Chinese spy?
36:34
Speaker 2: Leah Mendes will give us those exclusive details.
36:38
Speaker 3: Plus Israeli military star Jonathan Conricus shares his view on
36:42
Speaker 3: bloodthirsty terrorists, praising Albin EASi.
36:46
Speaker 2: That's next.
36:50
Speaker 3: Our intelligence agencies have charged a Chinese woman who is
36:54
Speaker 3: allegedly paid by Beijing to spy on a camera Buddhist association.
36:58
Speaker 3: The case of ESPNI and foreign interference has been front
37:02
Speaker 3: page news and breaking stories in this case is journalist
37:06
Speaker 3: with the Australian.
37:07
Speaker 2: Liam Mendes. Liam, thanks so much for your time.
37:10
Speaker 3: So what did police find when they conducted a raid
37:14
Speaker 3: on this woman's home?
37:17
Speaker 12: Well, thanks for having me, Charry. This is an incredibly
37:20
Speaker 12: fascinating story. There is a police are alleging there's a
37:25
Speaker 12: lot of unexplained wealth in this woman's home and she's
37:30
Speaker 12: got quite a large amount of assets. Some of them
37:34
Speaker 12: are structured through various businesses. We're restricted on sort of
37:38
Speaker 12: going into the details about that, and it's been quite
37:41
Speaker 12: a bit difficult untangling the web of these assets and
37:45
Speaker 12: trying to understand the structure of everything. But essentially we're
37:49
Speaker 12: talking about countless essentially is what police said. Luxury bags,
37:55
Speaker 12: some of them worth thirty thousand dollars. That's what the
37:59
Speaker 12: receipts that police found them to be valued. There's also
38:06
Speaker 12: a mystery item worth four hundred thousand dollars. Now we've
38:10
Speaker 12: got a fair understanding of what that might be, but
38:12
Speaker 12: because of this strict suppression order, we're not able to
38:15
Speaker 12: go into the detail of what that item might be.
38:19
Speaker 12: We are fighting to suppress, sorry to appeal that suppression order,
38:23
Speaker 12: which will be heard on the first of September. And
38:27
Speaker 12: there's also other luxury items like receipts for watchers. But
38:32
Speaker 12: police are kind of scratching their heads as to the
38:36
Speaker 12: unexplained wealth that this woman has, and it's also tied
38:40
Speaker 12: up in assets such as property in Canberra.
38:45
Speaker 3: So what else do we know about this woman and
38:46
Speaker 3: the life that she was leading in Australia.
38:52
Speaker 12: I've spoken to a fair amount of her associates. She
38:57
Speaker 12: came to Australia on her education visa and then got
39:03
Speaker 12: married and is now permanent residence. Her associates have varying
39:11
Speaker 12: things to say about her. I've got to be really
39:14
Speaker 12: careful with the risk of defamation. But essentially she's very
39:23
Speaker 12: tied in with the Chinese community. She's got a lot
39:27
Speaker 12: of dealings with people in the business community as well,
39:30
Speaker 12: specifically in the Chinese business community. She appears to be
39:35
Speaker 12: very good at networking with people, very good into personal skills,
39:42
Speaker 12: I'm told, But she has burnt a few bridges along
39:47
Speaker 12: the way.
39:48
Speaker 3: Oh that's fascinating. Now you've reported that she may have
39:51
Speaker 3: had access. So you've reported that she was herself a
39:54
Speaker 3: business owner.
39:55
Speaker 2: We don't know what business.
39:57
Speaker 3: As you said, there's a suppression order in place that
40:00
Speaker 3: she may have had access to politicians, political advisors and journalists.
40:06
Speaker 3: So what might authorities be probing there and how concerning
40:10
Speaker 3: is that for Australian counter intelligence.
40:14
Speaker 12: Obviously anyone that's ever accused of this sort of crime,
40:19
Speaker 12: it's incredibly concerning to have this and to see this
40:23
Speaker 12: type of infiltratration from a foreign government in the nation's
40:28
Speaker 12: capital is a huge worry right being this close to Canber. Obviously,
40:35
Speaker 12: the nature of her business, which unfortunately we just can't
40:38
Speaker 12: disclose at this time, did mean that she was speaking
40:42
Speaker 12: to a lot of people that or had access to
40:46
Speaker 12: a lot of people that are possibly influential. I'm also
40:53
Speaker 12: told that she had some quite close ties with senior
40:57
Speaker 12: Chinese officials that are in Australia.
41:01
Speaker 3: Such a fascinating story. Well done in your reporting, Liam,
41:04
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. Now after the break, Jonathan
41:07
Speaker 3: Conricus will share his view on the terrorists praising Alban Easy.
41:16
Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining me now live from Tel Aviv
41:19
Speaker 3: is Farmer Israeli Defense false spokesperson Jonathan Conricus. Jonathan, thanks
41:24
Speaker 3: so much for coming in the show again. Hermas today
41:27
Speaker 3: praised Alban Easy for political courage after our prime minister
41:31
Speaker 3: joined other nations in saying that he'd vote to recognize
41:35
Speaker 3: a non existent Palestinian state at the United Nations. Does
41:39
Speaker 3: this show how what the policy position is when you
41:43
Speaker 3: have the worst terrorists on the planet.
41:45
Speaker 5: Praising you, Yes, Hello, thank you for having me on.
41:51
Speaker 5: I think come as. They are just very happy with
41:56
Speaker 5: the developments and they know that if there are for
42:00
Speaker 5: free elections in what's called the Palestinian society, whether in
42:05
Speaker 5: Judaean Samaria, whether the Palestinian authority controls it or in Gaza,
42:10
Speaker 5: these decisions by the UK, France, Canada and now regretfully
42:15
Speaker 5: by Australia, these will be at the core of Ramas's
42:20
Speaker 5: campaign to dominate the Palestinian society. And I think that
42:25
Speaker 5: nobody should be confused or surprised. This is what Ramas
42:29
Speaker 5: will campaign on and let me tell you, they will win,
42:32
Speaker 5: and they will win by a landslide, because what it
42:35
Speaker 5: means is that Ramas will say our actions, our attack,
42:40
Speaker 5: our way of jihad, of extremism, that is what gets results.
42:46
Speaker 5: And when democracies around the world like Australia are willing
42:51
Speaker 5: to hand that victory to ramasden of course they are
42:55
Speaker 5: excited and happy and hopeful about the future because they
42:58
Speaker 5: got what they want.
43:00
Speaker 2: Such a good point.
43:01
Speaker 3: Now, Palestinian President Mahmura Bas has had a conversation with
43:06
Speaker 3: Alban EASi and they're going to meet in person at
43:10
Speaker 3: the UN General Assembly next month. Now, Abbas promised Alban EASi,
43:15
Speaker 3: that he'd accept Israel's right to exist, he'd hold elections
43:19
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, and that he'd stop the so called
43:22
Speaker 3: pay for slave policy where the Palestinian authority has been
43:26
Speaker 3: paying the families of terrorists, you know, Albanisi and the
43:32
Speaker 3: Foreign Ministry here Penny Wong believed him.
43:35
Speaker 2: Should they believe him? Are they foolish and naive to
43:38
Speaker 2: believe him?
43:40
Speaker 12: Well?
43:40
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's foolish, nurse navy tee or
43:44
Speaker 5: something more sinister. I don't know the two Australian politicians
43:48
Speaker 5: well enough, but I can say that they're dead wrong.
43:51
Speaker 5: And you know, Mahmoudabas has had the opportunity to recognize
43:57
Speaker 5: Israel and to end the conflict twice. Twice under his tenure.
44:02
Speaker 5: He was provided very generous and conflict ending proposals by Israel,
44:09
Speaker 5: with land swaps, with a Palestinian capital in eastern Jerusalem,
44:13
Speaker 5: and with basically almost everything that they wanted. He still
44:17
Speaker 5: refused to recognize Israel and importantly to end the conflict.
44:22
Speaker 5: Why would he do so today? Another topic is elections.
44:27
Speaker 5: He is on his twentieth year of a four year term.
44:31
Speaker 5: There have not been elections in the area that he
44:33
Speaker 5: controls the Palestinian authority for all of those years. Why
44:38
Speaker 5: is that because would because they're corrupt and hated, and
44:41
Speaker 5: because they would most likely lose to whom to Hamas.
44:46
Speaker 5: Now the situation is even worse because Hamas. If the
44:49
Speaker 5: war ends without Hamas being defeated, that would be a
44:53
Speaker 5: victory for Hamas and they would collect on it in
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Speaker 5: elections and lasting. Mahammud Abas is not a man of
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Speaker 5: his words. Mahmoudabas isn't trusted, liked or respected by his
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Speaker 5: own people, and he shouldn't be respected or trusted by
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Speaker 5: global leaders. And I think it's a terrible, terrible mistake
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Speaker 5: to take him at his word.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wish albinizi in Petti Wong would listen
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Speaker 3: to that and would know that because they that this
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Speaker 3: whole plan is trusting the word of Mahmurabas. And by
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Speaker 3: the way, he also promised Albinezi that her mus would
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Speaker 3: have no role, that it would demilitarize. I mean, how
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Speaker 3: can he possibly give a promise like this? How does
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Speaker 3: the international community this is such a key point, Jonathan.
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Speaker 3: How does the international community think that her Musk will
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Speaker 3: be disarmed if they're telling Israel to withdraw from Gaza.
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Speaker 3: So if Israel doesn't disarm Hermas defeat Hamas, who's going
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Speaker 3: to do it?
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Speaker 5: Nobody? That's the plain, short answer, And to think and
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Speaker 5: believe otherwise is a fool's errand, and it is simply
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Speaker 5: not realistic. If I'm Ramas and this war ends with
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Speaker 5: the ceasefire and I still have my men, I still
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Speaker 5: have my guns, and I control the Palatinian population, you
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Speaker 5: can better bet on it that I'm not going anywhere,
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Speaker 5: and that I would consolidate the victory into retaining control
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Speaker 5: over Gaza and not going anywhere despite promises from the PA.
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Speaker 5: And I think we should remind everybody that for about
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Speaker 5: a year, almost a year between two thousand and five
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Speaker 5: and two thousand and six, the Palatinian Authority did in
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Speaker 5: fact control the Gaza Strip.
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Speaker 7: Is well.
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Speaker 5: Withdrew from the Gaza Strip in the summer of two
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Speaker 5: thousand and five, handed it over with the bow and
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Speaker 5: tie to the Palatinian Authority and told it govern. What
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Speaker 5: they did was start to govern, had elections Hamas won
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Speaker 5: by a landslide and turned Gaza into Ramastan. And twenty
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Speaker 5: years forward, October seven and this is where we are today.
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Speaker 5: So we've been here in history, we have faced the
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Speaker 5: consequences of that, and we have seen the failure of
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Speaker 5: the same Palestinian authority to do what global leaders today
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Speaker 5: naively think that they will be able to do in
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Speaker 5: the future in a much more difficult setting. So no,
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Speaker 5: that is not the future of the Gaza strip, and
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Speaker 5: that is not the future of Ramas.
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Speaker 2: No, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, earlier this hour, I played a
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Speaker 3: clip of Ario Sharon speaking at the United Nations in
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Speaker 3: September of two thousand and five.
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Speaker 2: Right at that.
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Speaker 3: Point, as you said, we've only got a minute left,
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you can answer this question
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Speaker 3: in a minute, But Israel's current plan to take over
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Speaker 3: Gaza city less than a minute. Do you think that
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Speaker 3: is the best option to defeat Amas?
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Speaker 5: The best option would be if Egypt and Katu and Turkey,
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Speaker 5: the three most important supporters of Ramas, if they tell
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Speaker 5: Ramas that it's either you surrounder, hand over your weapons,
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Speaker 5: return these ready hostages and get out of Gaza, or
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Speaker 5: destruction is going to come descend upon Gaza and it
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Speaker 5: will be your responsibility. The suffering death and damage will
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Speaker 5: be your responsibility. Only if these three countries say that,
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Speaker 5: then do we have a chance of not having to
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Speaker 5: be forced from an Israeli perspective to do it. I
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Speaker 5: hope that these three countries Egypt, Kata and Turkey will
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Speaker 5: do it. Otherwise that is the future.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Jonathan Conriquez, thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: your time, and thanks everyone for your company tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. He Pomar