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Kate Berlant _ Good Hang with Amy Poehler · Midnight Mystery Stories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Good Hang.
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  Speaker 1: We are very excited about our guest today. It is
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  Speaker 1: Kate Berlant, comedian, writer, actress. And if you know Kate's work,
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  Speaker 1: you are obsessed with her. And if you don't know
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  Speaker 1: it that well yet, you are going to become obsessed
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  Speaker 1: because Kate is here and we are obsessed with her.
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  Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about so many good things today.
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  Speaker 1: We are gonna talk about, well, chimney sweeps. We're gonna
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: talk about our obsession with our phone. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about how men actually feel about funny women. And we
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  Speaker 1: are going to talk about her new comedy special, Parmesan,
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  Speaker 1: which is on HBO, out right now. And it's so good,
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  Speaker 1: and I cannot recommend it enough. Before we get talking
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  Speaker 1: to Kate, we always do something on our show where
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  Speaker 1: we talk to someone who knows our guest. has a
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  Speaker 1: question to give me about our guest. And we are
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk to another fellow hilarious performer, writer, actor, John Early.
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  Speaker 1: You might know John from Search Party. You might know
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  Speaker 1: John from Maddie's Secret and the many various hilarious videos
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  Speaker 1: and specials that him and Kate have done together. So
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  Speaker 1: let's see if we can get John on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Or the Zoom.
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  Speaker 1: However we're talking to you, John, hi. This episode of
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  Speaker 3: Amy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, it worked.
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  Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Can you see me?
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  Speaker 1: Never really noticed and I'm noticing right now how blue
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  Speaker 1: those eyes are of yours.
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  Speaker 3: Shut up. That's really sweet. Well, they are.
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  Speaker 2: They are blue.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of far back or you're kind of far back.
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  Speaker 3: Are you? You're blue.
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  Speaker 2: I'm blue as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I just read somewhere that we should be
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  Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses all the time.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're kidding.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Because we're more susceptible to vision.
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  Speaker 1: Damage.
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  Speaker 2: Sun damaged eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. I have 20-20. No offense.
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  Speaker 2: Brag.
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  Speaker 1: No, I do not.
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  Speaker 2: You still have 20-20.
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  Speaker 3: I still do somehow.
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  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: You i do not i've got reading i've got glasses
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  Speaker 1: for reading and it's going downhill really fast.
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  Speaker 3: Kate has reading glasses you guys could talk about.
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  Speaker 2: That john early it is really good to see you it's.
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  Speaker 3: So good to see you i'm so starstruck You're nuts.
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 2: John, right back at you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we were, we were watching, we were rewatching
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  Speaker 1: Vicky with a V and Maddie's Secret before we got on.
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  Speaker 1: And we were, we were saying like, there's certain people
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  Speaker 1: when they, um, When they portray female characters that it
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  Speaker 1: feels like aggressive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you.
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  Speaker 3: They're working through something.
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  Speaker 1: They're working through something.
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  Speaker 3: And I clearly am too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we all are.
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  Speaker 3: It's maybe, it's maybe.
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  Speaker 4: More coming from some sort of childlike longing and not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily an aggression.
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  Speaker 2: No, it feels very nice. It feels like, it feels very,
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  Speaker 2: like it just makes me feel nice and safe. It
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  Speaker 2: does make me feel weird.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Thank God.
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  Speaker 2: Created so many works of art together.
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  Speaker 1: And you are like partners, but not partners.
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  Speaker 2: You do your own separate things always.
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  Speaker 1: But when you come together, there's like this special language,
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  Speaker 1: like there's a comedy language, but it always consists of
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  Speaker 1: this very thrilling, deep dive into something. Like it's always
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  Speaker 1: really deep and always funny.
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  Speaker 3: Thank God.
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  Speaker 1: When did you first meet Kate? Let's talk about that
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  Speaker 1: origin story.
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  Speaker 4: We first met when I was, I guess we were
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  Speaker 4: both like 24, which was last year. And we met, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we met basically doing our mutual friend's comedy show. Mm-hmm. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I, I just had never met someone around
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  Speaker 4: my age who, uh, who was as funny as like
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  Speaker 4: my idols, you know, it was so crazy. I always figured,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the people around me were, we're all going
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  Speaker 4: to be kind of collectively trying to get to that level.
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  Speaker 4: We'll spend their whole lives and we'll always, and we'll
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  Speaker 4: always fail, you know, we'll always fall short.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like, she is just like right there.
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  Speaker 3: She's already there. She's like already.
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  Speaker 4: In a Christopher guest movie, you know, in my mind.
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  Speaker 4: And that night when we were separating, we were just
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  Speaker 4: kind of like, we kind of like set our vows
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  Speaker 4: to each other. And we were like, we were like,
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  Speaker 4: let's have us like a sleepover tomorrow. And we just
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  Speaker 4: like started our friendship the next day. We just like knew. And, and,
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  Speaker 4: and I went over to her apartment and we, We
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  Speaker 4: just did not separate really until she moved to L.A.
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  Speaker 4: We spent like almost every single day together, every night together.
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  Speaker 3: I would literally run out of clothes.
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  Speaker 4: I would run out of underwear and from spending the
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  Speaker 4: night at her apartment so much. And I would just
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  Speaker 4: go to CVS and get a pack of Hanes. And
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  Speaker 4: I'd wear the same shirt and pants every day. And
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  Speaker 4: I would just run out of hands and go get
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  Speaker 4: a new pack.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're like, there's no way I'm leaving this apartment.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going back to my apartment. I refuse. And Amy,
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  Speaker 3: we slept in the same bed. And we literally... And
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  Speaker 3: the room was as big as the bed. There was
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  Speaker 3: a foot.
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  Speaker 4: Of space on two sides of the floor.
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  Speaker 3: It was tucked into a corner. And we would just...
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  Speaker 3: We slept like.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that was the first thing we noticed.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, we were like, what is this, like,
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  Speaker 4: otherworldly sense of comfort we have with each other that
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  Speaker 4: we can.
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  Speaker 3: Share a bit?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been asked to explain this, but the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that you guys did together, how would you explain
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  Speaker 1: that type of comedy? If you were to have to
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  Speaker 1: explain the style of it. I can try, but I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to hear what you say.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is really hard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously one thing that we love to do
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  Speaker 4: is like, you know, passive aggression.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we, we love it so much.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you love it so much? Why do you,
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  Speaker 2: why does Kate love it so much? Why do you
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  Speaker 2: love it? I mean, I do too, but what do
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  Speaker 2: we love about it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think, I think I love it because I
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  Speaker 4: come from like the South and which is like a really, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you could say the, the birthplace of, um,
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  Speaker 4: like I come from kind of like Protestant world where like,
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  Speaker 4: that is just in the water. It's just like, you don't,
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  Speaker 4: you don't express your anger. So you ha it has
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  Speaker 4: to come out another way. I think for, Kate, she's
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  Speaker 4: been around.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of authoritative, artistic people.
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  Speaker 4: And I think maybe that's where it comes from, is, like,
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  Speaker 4: people who speak with a kind of, like.
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  Speaker 4: Avant-garde authority or whatever it's like there's a there's a
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  Speaker 4: way that that can be incredibly hostile you know while
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  Speaker 4: even if you're speaking in this very.
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  Speaker 3: Measured academic way you know you're like and so maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's where it comes from yes.
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  Speaker 1: There's like a way in which you guys play around
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  Speaker 1: and in her new special she does in parmesan her
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  Speaker 1: new special she does this where you play around with superiority.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's what you put that coat on and take
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  Speaker 1: it off. And of course the other side of that
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  Speaker 1: is inferiority always.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, and I think that if, if we're playing
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  Speaker 4: people who, and this is, I think actually Kate's specialty
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  Speaker 4: is like this, this like the foolishness of like authority
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  Speaker 4: and you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's so well said.
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  Speaker 3: I hope so.
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  Speaker 2: The certainty part is so true.
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  Speaker 1: Real because especially like in today's culture, like we're surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by experts.
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  Speaker 3: It's so intense.
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  Speaker 4: And I, and I really, I think it's time for
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  Speaker 4: Kate to kind of like seize her throne as like
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  Speaker 4: the great imitator of those things.
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  Speaker 3: She really can.
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  Speaker 4: Like what, what's so crazy about working with her is like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, it's awful for me because it's like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like a cross from her.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, cool. I have nothing. I'm like, I'm just like,
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  Speaker 3: how do you, I'm always shocked.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very sorry, but I disagree. I feel like I'm
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: going to say right here, John, that your volley is insane.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: It is like Agassi and Sampras. I believe they played together.
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  Speaker 2: I hope they did.
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  Speaker 1: But it is that the back and forth is, it
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  Speaker 1: is Federer and Nadal.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you'll notice that I'm always, I'm like always screaming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, louder is funnier.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think she's also, and I'm sure you'll get
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  Speaker 4: into it minute one, but you know, she's an only child.
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  Speaker 4: And so there's like, there is such a, the only
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  Speaker 4: child has to like entertain themselves in the mirror, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And, and, and she comes, you know, artist father, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, she was around these very, at a very
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  Speaker 4: young age. I mean, she was like under the table and,
• 10:17
  Speaker 4: you know, as, like, with all these, like, kind of very, like,
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  Speaker 4: genius L.A. modern artists, abstract artists, probably having incredibly pretentious, indecipherable,
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  Speaker 4: illegible conversations, you know? And so I think she literally
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  Speaker 4: learned before she was, like, even conscious, she learned how to, like, imitate, just, like,
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  Speaker 4: absorb those sounds and, like, in order to participate because
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  Speaker 4: she was bored.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a question for Kate today? Anything you
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  Speaker 1: think I should ask her?
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  Speaker 3: I have a few that you should pick from.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great.
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  Speaker 3: Like some of them are just, they're kind of inside jokes. Great. Perfect.
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  Speaker 4: But I actually think if you get into them, they
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  Speaker 4: will be deep.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: They'll be generative. Okay. So one is, do you miss Paris?
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic. Do you miss Paris? Perfect question.
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  Speaker 3: One is, uh, do you think you're funny?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, incredible.
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  Speaker 1: In Kate's special, she goes deep on this idea that
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  Speaker 1: comedy isn't funny and it's incredible because I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. It's not funny.
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  Speaker 4: And also this is like, this is something that we,
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  Speaker 4: we make ourselves laugh very, very hard. We'll just like,
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  Speaker 4: if it's like suddenly a silence falls, like there's like
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  Speaker 4: a lull in the conversation, I'll be like.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think you're funny? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And like, and then we'll, and we'll try to answer
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  Speaker 4: and she'll do it back to me.
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  Speaker 3: Like, do you think you're right? And then, and then
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  Speaker 3: I'll be like, do you think I'm funny? And then
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  Speaker 3: we're like, um, can I be honest? It's a favorite.
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  Speaker 3: It's a favorite.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think it like, it's an inside joke,
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  Speaker 4: but she, if you actually ask her something good could
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  Speaker 4: come out.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 4: Um, one is how are the kids?
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  Speaker 2: Perfect questions.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Um, one is related to the special. So are
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  Speaker 3: you gay or what?
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  Speaker 2: Yep. We're going to get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully Kate really talks about how she's gay. I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's the fastest way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Okay, great. Are you gay or what?
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  Speaker 3: And the final one is shoes on or off.
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  Speaker 2: Shoes on or off.
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  Speaker 3: Like as a host.
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  Speaker 2: These questions are incredible.
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  Speaker 3: And did you get my email about Kate's no fly zones?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm going to look at it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Good to know. I'm going to look at it right now.
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  Speaker 3: Good. Good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't have a manager and no one will represent her.
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  Speaker 4: So I've taken it on as we're doing a special.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Yeah. That's important to see. And
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  Speaker 2: thank you for bolding everything and all caps. I appreciate that. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Bye y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Get in frame. We cannot talk unless we're in frame.
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  Speaker 2: Keep everyone going, who's that? You got to get in
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  Speaker 2: Is there a who? We got it. We've got to
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  Speaker 2: Don't scroll past. You look amazing. There were lipsticks in
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  Speaker 2: the green room. Yeah. And I thought, I was like, God,
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  Speaker 2: this is so classy. Like, everyone who comes, you get
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  Speaker 2: this huge box of lipsticks. And I'm going, I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at the colors. And then I asked... And they were like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence left those a few months back. And so
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: you've had months of guests who look at that. They go,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine. I don't need to engage in that. I
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  Speaker 2: look at it. I already texted it to my mother,
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  Speaker 2: my partner, my best friend. I'm like, we made it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm taking it home. Actually, now you have to
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: because you've touched all of them. Well, they were unused.
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  Speaker 2: So I go, well, this is definitely a gift. This
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  Speaker 2: is a promotional gift to me. It absolutely is a
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: gift now. You're taking all of those lipstick home. Anything free.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Caperland is here.
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  Speaker 1: Kate, on the drive over here, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: give you, I.
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  Speaker 2: Want to give you a compliment. By the way, I
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  Speaker 2: receive them well. I'm not one of these, who me?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, please.
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  Speaker 1: Driving over here, I was filled with glee because I
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: was like, this conversation is going to be so fun,
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  Speaker 1: so funny, so deep. I love seeing you and never
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  Speaker 1: get to. And like, this is a chance to just
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  Speaker 1: actually hang out with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I loved your special. I watched it last night.
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  Speaker 3: It's so good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for watching it. Thank you. You're welcome. Because
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  Speaker 2: I don't always watch all of the things. Well, I
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: figured I was doing dishes last night and I go,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, she's not going to watch it. And
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  Speaker 2: I was fine. I know she's so busy. Sometimes I
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  Speaker 2: just like, I can't get to it. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: love you. Couldn't watch it, girl. I would have been like,
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  Speaker 2: of course, you have so much to do. The media
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  Speaker 2: that you're, it's too much. I couldn't wait to watch
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  Speaker 2: it and all of us watched it. Love it.
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  Speaker 1: But more than that, you are this giant brain, avant-garde,
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  Speaker 1: interesting artist who is also warm and nice.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to find those two things. Thank you.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes people are like really nice, but maybe not adventurous
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: in their art. And sometimes people are like, really prickly, sharp,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: interesting artists who maybe don't want to talk.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: You to me are like the perfect combination of those
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: two things. You talk about things that I am obsessed with.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Everything in your special, it's hitting me in such a
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: deep way. And I love your work and you. So
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Cape Verlant is here.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, bye.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: By the way, that was all on a prompter, just
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: for people at home. It seems authentic. I saw her,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: and I go, and then everything she said. No, I
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: love you so much. Thank you. That's such kind words.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: It means so much to me. grew up with a
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: picture of you on my wall. I'm going to simply
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: get to that. Well, you know what? I've told you this.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I had the upright citizens brigade manifesto printed out on
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: where the words, where the text gets really, really tiny
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: at the bottom.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Like I'm very, we have had the pleasure of being
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: in each other's simulations for a lot of our lives. We,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: we have, and like the topics that you talk about
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: always speak to me, but this latest special.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Is so, Okay.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I want to start there before we get into the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: bigger picture of your life, because it is so top
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: of mind and you talk about the things that I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: love phones and our love of my, my phone is
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: my best friend hair.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I talk about hair? Well, I talk about your hair
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: in my mind when I watch you.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, totally.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You don't talk about hair, but I want
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to talk about your hair. It is... I got a
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: haircut three days ago. Can you believe it? The one
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that cuts my hair. She's amazing. That's you with the haircut?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Goo on Fairfax. Go get her. She goes, a few
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: times I go, shouldn't we cut like an inch, just
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: an inch? She goes, I want extreme length for you.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And those words, I want extreme length for you. I
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: want extreme length for you. And now people, I'm like,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: it's extreme length. I'm not going to go, I'm not
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: going waist length.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I noticed that your hair was longer than usual and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I was thrilled by it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I love extreme length for you. Okay, thank you.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Also, you talk about the hell of being a woman
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and how you, you know, rather have it no other way, basically.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Like the combo of like what we are always negotiating
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: with and that we wouldn't trade it for anything. Like
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that's what it feels like when I hear your work.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And so for people who are maybe getting to know
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Kate for the first time on this podcast, Kate is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a comedian and actress and artist.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And she has a new special on HBO called Parmesan.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And I would, if you don't mind. I forgot all
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: about you laughing. Don't even bother tuning in. I mean
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: but why is it called parmesan why is it called
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: parmesan so you know you hear this thing people go
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: oh here's a temp title I'm not gonna call it
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: parmesan that would be insane and it's one of those
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: things that just I it was just it was making
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: me laugh because it was just so ridiculous and stupid
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I think like I was talking to Chelsea Peretti and
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: she was like oh you're doing a special what's it
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: called I said parmesan and she just laughed and I
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: was like okay because it's just so deeply unserious and
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: ridiculous and what could that possibly relate to and by
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the way, the special isn't about food in any way.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Even though you love to talk about food and you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: love restaurants. I mentioned restaurants. But no, Parmesan, when you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: watch the special, you'll see it does reference a joke
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in the special.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And not to spoil the joke, but it's about this
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: idea of what we comment on. what draws us to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: comment as people on social media and on our phones,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like what we think is a way in which we're
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: going to connect with what we're reading and the existential
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: dilemma of that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about how addicted you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: are to your phone?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Because I am too.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And I genuinely, genuinely, genuinely am.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I relapsed so hard. Do you have work or program?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: By the way, I have gone to ITAA meetings, Internet
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Technology Addiction Anonymous. I don't know if I'm supposed to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: say that. I actually would. There's 12-step. Save a seat
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: for me, as they like to say. I've done the Zooms.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Twice.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: But still, I was still, I shared. But I, like,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: we do need help.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Because we are in the fight for our lives.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And it's the kind of thing that it's become, it's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: like the weather. It's like this thing that we're just
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: in and it kind of feels like, why bring it up?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Why talk about it? But I can, you know, I've
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: gone on, I had six weeks of sobriety. I did
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a six-week cleanse, nothing. I've done a month a few times. Okay,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: can you just step me through this? What do you
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: mean by nothing?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, so... Nothing.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Me in a room. No. So what it is, is
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: by nothing, I mean no social media whatsoever.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Sure. So I still have email and I'm still texting
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: 24 seven and doing anything else. But no scrolling. No scrolling.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And no, yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And not looking at Instagram reels and TikTok.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: No social media. And no social media. None of that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Not posting anything. None of that.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And- The sixth week was really good. And I said,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I go, I'm not going back this time. I was
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: telling everyone, I was like, no, I'm out. Yeah, no,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out. And I am right back. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: like last night I found myself, I was like, got
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: home late. And I was like, I've had a long
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: day of working. You know what? I'm going to unwind.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to curl up on the couch. And that's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the moment when it becomes infused with this feeling of rest.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Like this is rest and it's not. It's actually chipping away.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in the digital labor mines. And so, you know, and
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yes. And so, I mean, I have it
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in the bath now. Of course I have it in
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the bath. Of course, because I was doing baths, no phone.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And I go, baths, no phone. And suddenly it's 1904
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm a novelist. And it's like, by the way,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: when you go off your phone, I have found three
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: weeks of no scrolling.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Memories. I'm driving childhood memories. Like it's unbelievable. I'm like,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I'm back in the kitchen and I'm 10 years old
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and my father comes in. Like, like, it's like my
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: brain is like, thank you. It's opening up and it's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: flooding me with images. And, and it's like, you just
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: start to think again, you start to be more intimate
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: with your life. And that's the thing that's the most devastating.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: We can talk about, of course, the, the, you know, the, this,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the horror machine of this and like the fascistic machine
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: of it and all of that. But then just on
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the base level, like on a personal psychological level, like
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you've lost all intimacy with yourself. And like that's the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: crisis of it. It's just so devastating. And once you
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: get a little bit of that intimacy, you're like, All right. No,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: this is actually, this is really medicinal. I mean, this
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: is why I love talking to you.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: You can, we can go deep end so fast and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: then you also have jokes.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Okay. Me?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Another thing that chilled me to the bone and made
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: me laugh out loud while.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I was listening to the, your special on my phone.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I watched it on my phone. I'm so sorry.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Is the idea about how men say they want to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: be with funny women, but they hate funny women.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Let's go there.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Honey, it is like it's giving me a flush right now, actually.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It was so funny. Now, the idea, the sentiment of like.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Funny women being a threat isn't necessarily a new one.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Right, of course.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: But the way in which you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Present this idea, which is, let me just for a
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: minute trouble this and present what men actually want.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. What do you think in your way that is?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about that for a second? How did
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you come up with this idea?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Just a lifetime of being funny? Well, I can actually
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: tell you. So there's this like central memory, which I've
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: been like a ham and a goof since I was
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like a baby, right? But I remember, so I went
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: to an all-girls school and I'm strong. My girls are
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: going to single sex, okay? You got to separate. Did
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you like single sex school? What do you think, sweetie?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Free and then never free again. Graduated and was never free. Yeah. No, I... Like...
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Thank God. And I started comedy. I did stand up
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: for the first time when I was 17 at my
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: high school.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I read this in the basement of your high school.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but anyway, but so I was always, of course,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you know, the class clown, all of that. And then I,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: one day after school, I was 14, 15, maybe 15
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: after school with really cool and like a cool guy,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like after school, there's like two cool guys in the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: room drum kit listening to Neil Young Harvest like what's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: this yeah it's pretty cool like doing that yeah with
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: my friend who's a gorgeous like PacSun model you know
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: like truly and she's over there and I'm here like
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like talking to the guys yeah and this guy who
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: was like the really popular cool guy he was laughing
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and he was like god you know you're really funny
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I was like yeah he was like you should be
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: careful though guys don't like funny girls because it reminds
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: them too much of other guys I remember I was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: leaning against the wall. I was sitting on the bed
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like this, leaning against the wall. And it was like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: by the way, thank you for the truth and the honesty.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: There it is.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, that's an unbelievable gift. There
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: it is. There it is. And.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: He.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Was not wrong. I heard it. It went in.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And I went.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to carry this weight for the rest
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of my life. And it was like, it's really. So, yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I've been kind of like teasing that out. Yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Well, because also there's the bigger thing also behind it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: is there's obviously like to be.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Funny is to be a little embarrassing. And men hate
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: being embarrassed. And to go like this. Everyone's like, why?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's because you're going, it's like, that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: why they're not kissing you. But it is, it's like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: it's manifold. And by the way, I want to just
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: say this to clear the record. Of course, there are
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: guys who like, you know, of course, I've dated them.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You've dated, we've all, of course they exist. It's like,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: this does exist.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It is true.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, if you're, doing comedy, it's a historically masculine
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: role in society, whatever. it just creates this rupture. It's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: like a weird gender performance thing that people are like, oh. Yes, rupture,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: exactly right. A divine rupture, I might argue. A divine rupture.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: One that's needed in our culture.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: There's people who were voted class clown women, and in
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: my school, the class clowns that were women were like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: bad girls.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny? So I was a good girl
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: in the sense that I slept at the foot of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: my parents' bed my entire life. Emotionally, I was at
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the foot. And so... I was like a good girl,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like loved school, loved my friends, was like teacher, teacher,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you know, like I, you know. But I did have
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit of like the mischievous, like, okay, I,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: so a bit of a prankster, benevolent pranks, never hurt anyone.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: But I'm recalling live, which is amazing because on the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: drive here I go, what are the stories? What's my life?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing. And then I'm like, it's coming up.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's happening.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'm having memories. Okay. So like something that I used
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to do was, You know, like the big drop down.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I could be arrested for this, actually. The big drop
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: down maps, like at School of the World in America.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So my little thing that I did is like, I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: going to steal those for my bedroom. So I would
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: jump up, unscrew them, and walk out. And if you're walking,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: if you're 16 and you're walking with the map of
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the world out of the class, they go, oh, she's
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: supposed to do that, obviously. Someone asked her to move
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: that to the basement or whatever.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So I really got my rocks off doing that. And
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I do have a bit of a klepto. I've squashed it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I also have a bit of a klepto. Well, I mean,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: women and stealing and kleptomania is very interesting. Yeah. Because
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: in a world we feel like, you know, we've been
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: stolen from.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I love what you've said about makeup, how you feel
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that women should be able to steal.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Safely and from big, you know, not mom paws, but
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: from the big guys. Take a little blush. It's fine.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: We deserve it. You're owed that blush. Because the blush
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: is mandatory.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And nobody's paying for it. The government is not paying
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: for our blush. Tampons and blush. That should be free.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And then you also speak about the difference between dating
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: men and dating women. Because in the special, you... Congratulations.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You are gay. Now. Congrats. Bye, Amy. Confuse, Amy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Bye.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, I say gay as a shorthand because a lot
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: of people now, you know, bisexual, you know, bisexual femme
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: walks in, they go, oh, what, you kissed a girl
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: in the eighth grade, right? I'm going, no, I'm living
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that life, actually.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is so funny because I talk about
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: something special. Like, I'm genuinely obsessed with sexuality, my sexuality.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like. I also think there's this, like, I
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: grew up with this narrative of like, if you, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: come out later in life, it's because you had this
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: secret and you were like jerking off in private. And
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you were like, no, no, no. You know what I mean?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, that's not what my life was at all. Yes. Like,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I just was like, always with Matt. I fell in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: love with a woman this like other like room opened
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and I was like oh yes and then of course
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and then I reflect back and I go oh my
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: god and so then I can be like whoa wait
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: so was it always I was like my obsession with
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: my pd teacher and you know fourth grade I'm like
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: what's that she was gay yeah they all were no
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: but like i go back and and so but i
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: guess i'm less interested in like locking in to a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: certain category mostly because i think what's interesting is like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: failing and what's funny is like failing within those categories
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: like i'm a failed straight woman for sure yes but
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: i'm still like i love the mall and i love
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the beautiful you know like it's like like So what?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But then, but, but like, I'm also like a failed
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: gay woman.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: If I may, the thing you said, which I have
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: never heard articulated, which, and that's why it was so
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: incredible because you're, you're, because you've kind of lived in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: both worlds.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It's hot. It's hot. Right. Because you've lived in both worlds.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: The perspective of from kind of being like on the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: other side, looking almost like back at what was like
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a way of living and the realization that you came to,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: which is just, again, the comedic realization, but like all
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of your stuff steeped in such truth is that heterosexual
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: relationships between men and women kind of are often helpful
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to women who don't want to be seen, right?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And it is. There it is.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: That's what fascinated me because I was like, and by
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the way, I've had beautiful relationships with men, but it's like,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: it's really fascinating to, I did when I kind of
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: started to like be in like gay relationships, I was like, oh, like, are,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I truly was like, okay, are all women, are women,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I believe that straight women exist, right? but is that
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: also listening? Kate made a face, but, and I, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, but is that also just their way
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of being left alone in a way? And I was like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and there's validity to that. And, and like, obviously I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: also speaking like everyone relax. Okay. I know there's straight
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: people that are in love and they're, you know, screaming, laughing, whatever, but,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: but there is, there is this inherent, um, distance, um,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: there's always distance between people, even in queer relationships, of course.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: But there is this like, there's this deep distance between
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: men and women. And I am also, I think it's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: hard when you're a comedian, when you're a class clown,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: when you're an actor, I can really love the performance
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: of being of femininity and God bless. And I'm attracted
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to masculinity. I love that performance. So I think there's something,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: there's something that is always strange when it's only when
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: people don't know they're performing that it starts to get
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: scary sometimes. That's exactly right.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Like it was one of my questions I wanted to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: ask you, which is you're very good at this.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And we work with a lot of people that are.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Good at this, which is we can mirror what people
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: want us to be like, or like we can just
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: get in there and just be like, I'm this person.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And the question for you is like, I think the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: part of like growing up and figuring yourself out is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: knowing like that's actually expensive.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Like it takes something. Oh yeah. Oh, the way that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the full performances I'm doing in case someone sees, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: was just talking about this on my podcast, Poog, but
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: like airplanes are really places where these performances and gender
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: really comes, comes pronounced. So like the other day I
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: was getting onto a plane and I had a, a
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: carry on luggage to put overhead and there was a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: guy right opposite. And, and I kind of did this
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: thing and he was like, Oh, like, do you want
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: help with that?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, Yeah, do mine.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You know, whatever. And then he lifted it up. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: then I said to him, I don't know why I go,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I have a shoulder thing I'm trying to not aggravate.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And you made that up. So yeah, completely fake. And
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: then I found myself going, oh shit, now I have
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to kind of like do this shoulder injury to myself.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I had another bag, a lighter bag to lift up.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And so I kind of lifted it up, but in
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: kind of like a, like I tried to overcompensate, you know?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: And by the way, he very well is buried in
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a book. He's not even looking. But I'm locked into
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the performance lest he glance over. And then when we
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: landed six hours later, I go, time to get the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: show back on the road. And then I was doing
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, kind of.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: For who?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: For who, Amy? Who is watching?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: The times you kind of think they're watching. Well, you
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: know who's watching? I'm watching.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Like that's the thing is like the idea that like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: who we, who are we? Like what self is the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: real self is a nonstop delightful journey for me.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely endless. And it's like, this is, and this
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: is where also sex. Sorry, I said it. Someone has to.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: First time it's been mentioned here. It's like, Like, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that's why I think, honestly, class clowns, and this is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: where it can get hard, funny on funny, two class
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: clowns in bed, it can get complicated. You're right. Like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that actually sounds like, oh, God, I don't know.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: You kind of need someone to go, snap the, like, no.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You need someone to be like, fuck. Like, unselfconsciously. Yes. Like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: because I do, it's complicated.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with your relationship to your own body on
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: stage because, like, to be looked at is already so intense.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And the way you use your body to like ground
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: yourself in performance is so interesting for me to watch.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You like, like a dancer.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I can feel the way that you, when, I don't know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: when it feels like you regulate everything. your thoughts or
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: anxiety or emotions by the way you move. No, I'm laughing.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I love it because I've never heard, no one's ever
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: seen me before. So thank you. Being seen for the
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: first time live. But no, but it is actually, you're right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I've never, no one's ever said that or put that,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: no one's ever put this to me in these terms,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: but it is how I self-regulate. Like there is like,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: even like, it's like, it's like, that is, no, no,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you are correct. And like, I, you know, love physical comedians.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Like I, that's always what gets me. And like, I've
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: made crazy faces. I can't stop help, you know, but,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: but that is how I get back inside my body.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It made me think about my own stuff. It's like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Oh God, no, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It made me think.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: About like, Mike, I just did it now, like my
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: own laughing. Like I love to laugh and everyone's like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I love to laugh and laughing is so good for us.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And also laughing for me is expelling anxiety. Like it
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: is a way to just like. get shake out whatever
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is the feeling that i'm having and anytime dancing is
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the same way for me but it takes me so
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: long to realize that that is why i'm doing something
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: because i think especially if you're like in the comedy
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: world or you're like a big thinker like you're you're
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: just like our brain we just i use i'm like
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: brain forward a lot and i have to remind myself
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: i have a body.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah oh yeah this no no no.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Okay um anesthesia culture you talk about.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I talk about anesthesia culture. Look it up if
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you have to. Educate yourself now. It's so funny, you guys. Fuck,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I can't give away the joke, but please watch.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: It.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You talk about this.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Idea that when we're under and we come to, how
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: cocky the people are that we're awake are.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: We can talk about it. Can we talk about it?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: It's a throwaway moment and it's special, I guess you
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: could say. It's so funny. But I talk about... kind
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of not enjoying going under anesthesia because I don't like
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: waking up and the idea that everyone in the room
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: is like laughing at you, that you've been asleep the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: whole time. Like it's like if you're a performer, it's
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: like you have to go under to go off. I'm
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: sure you're like me where it's like, oh, I can
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: turn off. Of course. Comedians want to get serious. But
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the only time you're free. By the way, I'm hamming
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: it up. As I was going under, I remember this.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: My anesthesia, I'm like, God, you look like Griffin Dunn.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Why the first one?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I was....
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Going so hard. Also, because if I'm nervous, if I'm
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: in a medical situation, so I have a lot of
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: medical anxiety. This is going to be the next special
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: because I just got like a completely unnecessary angiogram.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, actually, I mean, we could talk about this forever
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: because I'm obsessed with this idea that we are now
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: giving ourselves. too much information that's making us very stressed.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. And so you had an angiogram. I went a
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: little hard on my neck with a Haizu Instagram. Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Instagram advertised to me this neck massager.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I go, sure.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Bought it. Yes. And then I was going really, really hard.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: And I go, oh, it's a little too hard there.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And then I start looking up and I go, oh, well, then,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you know, the veins, the arteries here, you want to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: be really careful. I go, the arteries in the neck. Oh, God.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And then I texted, yeah, texted my doctor. Um, and, um,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: she really regrets the day she gave me that. And,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and she was like, I'm sure you're fine, whatever. But
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm so, um, I have that kind of like sensation
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: anxiety and stuff that I was like, Oh, I think something.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: So then I call Cedars and talk to the doctor
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and they're like, we could, or you a CT scan.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to get an NGO, I mean,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: what's that going? They inject you with, you know, your
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: veins with um, die and the whole thing. And I go, well,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that's insane. So I'm putting it off, putting it off.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And then I go, I could do it next week.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: So then I'm being wheeled into the room and everyone,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you know, they're taking, they do the tests and everyone's
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: kind of looking at me cause I'm by far the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: youngest people in this. So I think people are kind
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of going, poor woman, like what's going on with her.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And so I start going, it's probably nothing.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Went a little hard with the high zoo. Let's say. Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: It's too much. Let's go to Kate as a child.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I skipped the whole thing. kid thing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were born as an adult. Born 30. Were you,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: as a little, little.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Kate, in L.A., in Los Angeles, artist parents?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really hard. Yeah. The rough side of Santa.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Monica, as I say.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, you were in Santa Monica.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, not in the industry. They're not in the industry.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Let's just get that. What kind of artists are they? Um,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: so my dad works in metal collage. It was funny.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I was, this was a huge for me a few
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: years ago. There was like a New York magazine piece
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: about Nepo babies and they, and my face was in
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it next to like, like Chalamet. I was like, I'm famous.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this? And it was like daughter
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: of a sculptor. You know, I was like, trust me, doll.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Hasn't gotten me work. You know what I mean? And
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: then like my mom did prop design and she did
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: make the Stonehenge prop in Spinal Tap famously. So, and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that was also there cited as nepotism. And I go, Guys.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: A little bit of a stretch. A little bit of
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: a stretch. Yeah. But my mom was a stay-at-home mom,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: if we can even say that now, right? They're taking
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: that away. But, you know, a deeply creative person.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Did you grow up with artists around the house chatting
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: about art?
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's all. I'm an only child. My parents' friends did
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: not have kids. So it really was like me at
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the dining room table with the adults being like, All right.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So I mean, they say two. And I think that was,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: you know, intensely informative. And did you feel like, I mean,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've spoken about it a lot.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You might have talked about it in your, in your specials,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: but what is the only child dilemma?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: What is like the best? Or is there one? Is
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: there one? Like what's the good and bad thing about
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: being an only child? I don't know. I mean, I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: having siblings.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I don't really like sharing my mommy. I don't think so, Amy.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Number one, please. Yeah. So sharing my mommy would have
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: been hard, but I think... You know, as you age,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: you go, oh, it would be helpful. But then also you,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: you never know what you're going to get. I mean,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: people have siblings and it's like, they're helpful when, when
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: shit's falling apart. So, so I don't know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Your sibling relationship is often the longest relationship in your life,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: which I, and.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, I read that. And I was like, wow.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Cause that is, they, you know, like don't complicate it
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: with sex.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. Cause that's the thing. Don't shit where you eat guys.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: If you could take away one thing from Kate.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Um, So you're like this like precocious kid in a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: way where you, did you feel older than you were
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: when you were a kid?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But I think I'm watching, I think so much of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: what I like through mimicry, like I remember like when
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I saw Erin Brockovich, I started doing my homework in heels,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: you know, like, like, like for real. And I was like, Yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I'm into this.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And so I think that like watching movies, watching people
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: like be smart or sound smart is kind of like... yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to kind of just like take that.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Okay. And then you did some crazy early jobs. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: is it true that you were a voice actor in
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Texas for a call-in radio show?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Is that true?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: What's that? I don't know where I got hooked up
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: with this, but it was a thing where you would
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: do like, so for call-in radio shows where they're like
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: morning radio, where they're like.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we got here, guy and a girl went
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: on a first date. The girl, let's just say she
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: doesn't have a face or whatever. So it's like these,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: like these, and then, but they're being presented as real.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: So I would play and they go like, we got, we, okay.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: So we have, we have her on the line. She
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: has no idea that we're, that we're listening in. So
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: we're just going to call. So I would pretend to
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: be the person who's like, hello.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And, and I did, I think like one and yeah,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: it was like, and then the, like the casting, whenever
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: it's like, she was like, you're good at this. She's like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: you're good at this. Because there was one where I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: had to pretend to be crying. It's devastating. It was
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: like they're humiliating this woman on air. And I have
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to be like, wait, what? I'm on the radio? No.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Like really sad. I mean, that was a send up.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I was doing it where I was grounded. I was
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Laura Linney with it. Yeah. Of course.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Of course. Of course. But yeah, I did that a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: few times. And I think I'd get paid. I mean,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think I would get paid like 75 bucks or something.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But it was horrible. I'd have to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: wake up at like 4 a.m. Because the time difference.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: They were going to call you. So they'd call me
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and I'd wake up at a desk and be like,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: oh my God, no. That's so interesting. And then I
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: slept through one. Oh, you missed your call. They were like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: we need you. Dallas Radio, 7 a.m. Who knows where
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I was. I woke up. I saw the missed calls.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Fired. Never again. I get it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to be ready. They need to depend
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: on you because of the radio. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: So I did that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: And they had to then on their side, they had
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to improvise like, oh, we can't get.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: A hold of her. They must have been furious. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is hell hath no fury like a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: radio DJ.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: They have to, the segment suffers and they can never
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: bring you back.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And, you know, we cannot talk about like your early,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: early career, like starting out without talking about John Early.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Speaking of early, because John Early and you, let's talk
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: about John for a second. Because the way you guys
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: interact together scratches a comedic itch for so many people.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? What is it that-
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Amazing sex. Yeah. Yes. When you can connect on that
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: somatic level with someone, it can't help but reflect in
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the work. Yeah. John, you know, it's like, it is like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the great loves of my life,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: John early, like we did, we are, we like met
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: in this very like whirlwind, like romantic way where it
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: was like, we met and then in a very lesbian fashion,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: like we're inseparable. And he slept on my bed for
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: like three years. And I was like, why can't I
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: get a man? I was like, see, it's hard. It's
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: different for me.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: And John, we met, Yeah. We met on set of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: a friend's short film and we had like, he'd messaged
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: me on Facebook or something and I was like, who's this?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And then I watched a video of his and I
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, he's really funny.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: We were trying to break it down today because we're
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: such fans of your work alone, of course, and with John.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: And with John, I'm not like the biggest, I get
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: a little stressed when people come at each other pretty hard.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Like in comedy, like I'm not a big roast fan.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Like But the way you two gently knife each other
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: in the stuff that you do is, like, fascinating to watch.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's funny for us because, like, we don't... Similarly,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be roasted or ever roast anyone. And, like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: John is, you know, like, from the South. And, like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: John's the last... Like, so I think our... Like, that's
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: a place for us to, like, go there.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: But very much behind this, like, character mask, of course.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Yeah. But.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why. It's funny because we are like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: there's been times or over the years we've been like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: but we're not mean. Like, like people are like, you
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: guys are vicious. Like, and it's like, no, it's not like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: that's not what it is. No, it's not. I mean,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know exactly.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And it feels like there's like some border around it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: That's.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Surface level which is always so funny when people are
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: not acting the way they're feeling that's just like inherently funny.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Well i think that's exactly what it is and like
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: we just like the failed performance to say it again
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: like when people think that they're covering and they're not
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and when people are using the social niceties to cover
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: like and like that is just heaven it's heaven me
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: too it's.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Like when someone is angry and they are like trying
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to conduct a meeting or something is heaven yeah how
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: are you with conflict what's your conflict style What.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Do you mean? Sorry, say the word again. Conflict? Sorry,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I missed it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Like when something like that happens, do you get filled?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I get filled with a little bit of excitement.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Adrenaline. Oh, you mean like watching people fight? My favorite
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: thing in the world is screaming fire on the street,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: safely watching from the window. That and my heart being
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: through my chest.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Do you have a like direct conflict style? Do you
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: feel like when you're angry about something, what does it
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: look like?
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It's a really interesting question that my therapist should be
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: asking me, and she's not. So there's an issue there
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: that we'll explore later. You should yell at her. Maybe
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I withdraw. I'm wondering. I'm probably going to go with withdraw.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Gun to my head, withdraw. Withdraw for a hundred. No,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I think I've talked about it a lot, so I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: won't get into it, but I had a really upsetting
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: incident with a chimney sweep a couple years ago. I'll
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: just say quickly. Just say quickly. He came into my home.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Came into my home doing a chimney sweep. I go,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I go, oh, he has like no drop cloths. I go, okay,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: so now I'm getting into the forensic details. But I
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: was like, white couch, white thing. I just moved in.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I go, oh, do you have like, and this is funny.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Do you have like drop cloths or anything? And he goes,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and he kind of like laughs. He's like, I'm fine.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: And I go, okay, he's a chimney sweep. I'm going
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: to come here. He knows how to do his job.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: God forbid. So I go, okay, I'm going to let you.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I go into, I come back.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Amy.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Sit on the white couch. Sit on the curtains. In
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the hallway, I go like this. And I'm like, there's
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: soot in the home. And he kind of did this thing.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Gaslight city. By the way, and here's where I paid.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: So not full, because I'm in there in the kitchen thing.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And then I go, I can't pay full price. Gets
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the boss on the phone, this whole thing. He goes,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: maybe your house was dirty.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Sweetie, say it again. Maybe your house was dirty. Yeah.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: And you're basically being held hostage, too. Like, you have
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to pay because you want him out of your house.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want the chimney sweep gone. And it's so
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: sad because I had an amazing chimney sweep years before
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't find his number. And he had drop
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: claws and he had respect. Yes. And so, but I'll
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: just say that night went to bed, literally permanent TMJ,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: like one night of clenching from the chimney sweep and
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: years later, so I should be going to court. and
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the tension on this jaw it's brought the face down
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: okay so the tension on this side so i'm losing
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: work okay from that so the chip so one night
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: so that wasn't that was an experience where i could
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: have gone harder in the moment i didn't because i
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: was just like kind of panicked and sad okay but.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Let's break down you also didn't go harder in the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: moment because you've got somebody in your house yeah totally
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it's not a safe situation man it's a man in
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: your house for real yeah And also I.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Wanted a husband. I go, Eric, you know, like that's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: when you, that's when you want that. You want to
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: call for Eric. Eric comes down from his study and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: he's like, Hey man. Yeah, no, exactly. And then I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: go and I go, yeah. And I walk away. You
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: walk away. They get to have it out.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: And you can hear Eric yelling a little bit and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you get like a little, Eric's getting a BJ tonight.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: So that dynamic's fun. And I get that.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, so John Early, we spoke to him before this
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: podcast because we always speak to somebody who knows our guests.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And John gave us some amazing questions for you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Okay. So here we go. John wants
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to know a couple of things.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Do you miss Paris?
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: John wants to know, do you think you're funny? Yes. Okay.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: John wants to know, how are the kids? Amazing.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Congrats.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: It's just, you know. Yeah. Yeah. They're at a really
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: fun age. Yeah. Cool. What age is that? Just right
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: around that area where you go. They're them, but they're you.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: But you do know how old they are, yeah? Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Four-ish.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Four-ish, yeah. John wants to know, so are you gay
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: or what? John will do that to me. It's so funny.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: He'll text me out of nowhere and go, are you gay?
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Bye.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: What is.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: It?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Or my favorite thing, I'll be doing a show and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: John will be like, just remember that. I go, the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: show is broken because you are broken. It's really funny.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: To me, the love language of comedy people is my
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: favorite thing in the world.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: He will leave a voicemail for me and he'll be
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: like it's just so like like like yesterday so embarrassed
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: she's she's promoting her special and she's doing these press
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: appearances and it's just like oh my god meanwhile you
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: know HBO they're not going to release it I've already
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: been on the phone with them they're holding it back
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and there she's trotting out in her little outfits and
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I'll be like oh my god fuck fuck fuck fuck
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: he pretends he's calling someone else or he pretends he's
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: accidentally leaving it on my machine oh my.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: God really funny that to me feel it makes me
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: feel so safe and yeah yeah it's really sweet and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: then shoes on or off off always in the home
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: off so when someone comes to your.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Home Do you say, please take your shoes off? So
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I have a small home, to quote the handyman who
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: came to the house when I first moved in. And
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: this is a direct quote. Never have I seen a
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: house so small. And that was the exact language used.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I go, it's not that small. I don't have Eric.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have a rich husband. And then I'll just
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: say a couple of days later, he returned and he goes,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: do you have many more things to move into this
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: very small home? And by the way, living room, there
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: was no couch. There was nothing. I go, well, yeah,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I have to bring in the furniture. And I go,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: but there's not that much. And he goes, that's good
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: because it's so small. So because the house is small,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I don't have a grand foyer. You know, there's no
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: room for a shoe rack. So we kind of have
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: like a horrifying pile, a little pile by the front door.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: So it depends. Depending on, I'll kind of be like,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: let's take them off.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: If I just, you know. Do you put on a
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: house slipper? Oh, yeah. I have multiple house slippers. This
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: is what I, thank you.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Another reason why I love you, Kate, is because I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: know you love.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Things and you really.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: And I would say that one of the things that's
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: so amazing about you and Jacqueline and Poog, which is
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: an incredible podcast and congrats on that, the success of that,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: because it's so funny and good. And you guys, for
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: people that don't know, Poog, like, deep dives into products
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: in a way, much like how we're talking today, where
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Kate and Jacqueline Novak, a super talented writer, performer, they, like,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: talk about a red light mask and then somehow get
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: to Dante's Inferno very fast.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It's very high meets low. Yes. And it's very, you know,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: we started Poog in COVID.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: And really kind of started as a way, Poog, goop backwards,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: get it?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: So, and kind of as like a wellness beauty podcast,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: but really also just a way that we could get
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: free stuff, which has been incredible. And so we were like,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: people will send us these products and then, you know, yeah. So, but, but,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and also kind of this idea of like searching for
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the right product and that the, and there's this misconception
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: that you want to find the right product. You actually don't,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: you want to engage in the, in the search forever.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: The search is kind of, you know, the ego loves
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: to search and never to find, and we'll just let
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that sit.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Three, two, one. And so that constant manic belief that
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: there is this product out there, this person out there,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: this thing out there, and then you're going to arrive
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: and you're going to be whole and you're going to
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: be healed. You're going to be beautiful. It's like we
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: on some level, we know that's not coming, but it's
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: really fun to go and try the serum. I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: it's doing something and to have fun, a new lipstick
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: and like there's pleasure in that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Yes. And so on Poog, you guys talk about things
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and I love listening to it because I Like you,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I am in the pursuit for like the platonic best
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: thing for the thing. Like as if my life is
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: going to get smaller and simpler if I just get
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the right thing. But I do want to know what
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: shoe you bought for your house shoe.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: So this is kind of cheating because it is, it
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: was a gift. Okay. But- I'm going to go with
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: a classic UGG. Sorry, UGG. There's so many different kinds
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: of slippers. And I actually, I paid out of pocket.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I purchased the ultra mini boot that's like under the
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: ankle almost. Okay. Yes.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Um, Does it have a fur lining?
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. So, by the way, even today, 140 degrees,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: getting into the boot first thing.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: You are.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: You have to keep your feet warm.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about air conditioning? Are you an
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: AC person?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Do you keep it cool? Blast it down.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really... Last night, I was... Because I
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: sleep naked. Guys, this isn't about that. I'm here to
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: talk about my work.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: But.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And I want an eight sleep. And hi, I'm here
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: on this podcast. Hey, eight sleep? Yeah. Now's the time.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Send them now. If this doesn't get me an eight sleep,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: if this doesn't get.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Me an eight sleep, please get Kate an eight sleep.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And so I'm going to end our talk today.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I know, I know. You have a
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: lot of incredible takes on things.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: So I want to get your thoughts on things. They
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: don't have to be funny. They can be whatever.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: It can be whatever you want. The moon.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Fake.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Like, again? Yeah, every night. Every night. I just want
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: to see something different from it.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does change every night. But in the
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: same way. Do you know what I mean? People change
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: in the same way. You go, now you're doing this thing,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: now you're doing that thing. You're concealing this part, you're
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: concealing that part. Oh no, I'm right here in the open. No,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: you're not because you'll be gone tomorrow. Psychics. I believe
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: there are gifted psychics. People are tapped in. Do you
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: believe you have any psychic abilities?
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: You do? For real? Yes, Amy. Have you ever predicted anything? Yes.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: What?
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Can't get into it.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: No, I think we all, you know, psychologically, we all
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: have those. I don't feel like I have psychic abilities.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I have stuff. I can read.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: People and I can, I feel like I'm pretty good
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: at noticing energies, but I don't feel like I have
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: a psychic ability to figure that out.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I've had some interesting instances, but again, I'm on my
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: phone all day, so I'm blocking all of that out. Yeah, okay, good.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: What about ghosts? Have you seen any ever?
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: You've talked to ghosts. So people, you look at me,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: long hair, you know, oh, who's this, you know, witchy,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: psychic ghost. I'm actually typically not, I don't, I don't
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: like karaoke, for example. A lot of people think things
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: about me, okay? So, and I.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I was told not to talk about it because then
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: they take it as a way to kind of come in.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: But I swear to God, last couple of years, I'm
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: seeing ghosts. You've been seeing some ghosts.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: You have to talk to my friend Rachel Dratch because
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: she is really into woo-woo and she kind of collects
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: woo-woo stories.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I've always been scared of ghosts. And then the last
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: couple of years, I've seen a few. And actually, some
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: situations I would think would really scare me, no fear whatsoever,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: completely fine. I've had two upsetting experiences that really freaked
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: me out. Okay, that's not so i kind of went
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: to someone and went let's close the door um god.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I wish i could see a ghost i have not
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: seen a ghost and i i just they just do
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: not fuck with me ghosts i.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: You don't want it i don't think maybe i don't
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: know i don't know some you know some people i
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: would like to come through and i'm interested in that
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: but yeah maybe not but okay once you've had a
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: couple bad ones you go yeah i'll just say i've
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: got some special uh figurines on my nightstand lately some
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: crystals i was given some figurines okay because i go
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: i don't want to.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: See that one anymore yeah and they were like for 29.99
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: i can give you i know.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Truly the amount of people friends i've had that have
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: been like and she said that for 500 she could
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: lift the curse i'm.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Like oh no i mean people they really because let's
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: lift the curse for free how about we try that
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: all curses.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Can and should be Um, Los Angeles. I'm from LA.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I lived in New York for 10 years. I'm there
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: all the time, but I think the, um, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: people love to talk shit on LA and even this conversation,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: even this feels cliche when I'm, when I'm dropping into, right.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I've kind of like people I talk about, but I, um,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I love Los Angeles, you know, she can be a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: cruel mistress, but to me it's, it's Hollywood, it's dreams, it's, it's,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: it's images, it's lizards, it's cactus, it's a, it's a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: palm tree half on fire.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: It's, it's all of it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's something brutally solitary about Los Angeles. I love
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: New York so much. So many times I'd go back
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: to New York and I'm like, I've ruined my life
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: by not living here. I'd be a better artist. I'd
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: be more connected to, to people, to strangers. Like I, I,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I really long for strangers and for those like interactions
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that really feeds me on a deep level. And I,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I am sad that in LA it's harder to get
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: those interactions. Um, but I think, uh, I don't know.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: LA is, is it is, it isn't, it's strange.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: And it can make you feel, I remember after living
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: in New York, coming back to LA and being like, well,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I've never felt uglier, more exposed, more alone, driving in
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the car, looking in the mirror. Like, yeah. Like, You're like,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: who is that? It's so bright. It's so bright. There's
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: nowhere to hide, and yet it only hides you.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You love her.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: You love her. Come on. Seeing those hills speckled with
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: homes lit up at night. Drive down Hollywood Boulevard. It's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: a man with a machete outside the man's Chinese. I'm home.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: We're dreaming. We create the dreams, Amy. This town creates
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: the fantasies that drive the world. And what's making you laugh?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: My last question to you.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what do you do to laugh? And you can't
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  Speaker 1: say you're friends.
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  Speaker 2: Just go watch people fall down at the supermarket. What
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  Speaker 2: makes me laugh is non-performers performing. Like, I've been to
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  Speaker 2: a couple weddings, a couple, like, those kinds of environments
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  Speaker 2: where someone who's not a performer is giving a speech.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That is exquisite.
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  Speaker 1: And let's talk through that because I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 1: And I bet you're the same as women, like our
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  Speaker 1: mirror neurons.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want anyone to be humiliated. No, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Of course not. And it's sweet. You see people, it's
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  Speaker 2: scary up there. I'm a performer. I'm scared up there. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But when it's like a little bit awkward, but fun,
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  Speaker 1: but what makes you laugh? What's your perfect version of that?
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  Speaker 2: I think what's so fascinating about wedding speeches is there's
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  Speaker 2: like this template and people are like, like this is
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  Speaker 2: something I've talked about with John. So classically, the bridesmaid speech,
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  Speaker 2: you're the bride, right? You're this, you're funny, it's him,
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  Speaker 2: it's him. It's listing things. And in the vows too,
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  Speaker 2: it's usually, you're fine, you're fine, you're fine, and you're fine.
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  Speaker 2: Whether we're having a ha, or having a ha, you're
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  Speaker 2: always having a ha. It's like, so shocking. It's like
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  Speaker 2: this rehearsed and there's a beauty in that. Like this
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  Speaker 2: is the structure we can all fall into and collapse
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  Speaker 2: into this familiar language and everyone knows exactly what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. And, but, but it's like, that's funny. Like that, that, that's,
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  Speaker 2: that's really, and again, the listing traits.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's always listing traits. It's so funny. You're goofy. You're smart.
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  Speaker 2: You're kind. And you're generous. Listing traits. We have to
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  Speaker 2: go beyond the list. Yes. But breaking out of that
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  Speaker 2: is wild. But I understand, too. I'm saying that. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not admonishing the list. I get it. You're right. You
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  Speaker 2: could hear that language. You could hear that rhythm. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: it's really there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally, I love a wedding.
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  Speaker 3: Love.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a bad wedding, I'm like, oh, I love it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if everyone, if there's like a clumsy speech
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  Speaker 1: or people are stressed or the wrong person cries or
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  Speaker 1: the ex is there and it's awkward, I'm like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, what theater?
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  Speaker 2: And if it's beautiful and full of love, I'm like, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I love that too. I love a wedding. And I just,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I love parties so much. And I'm very like planner.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I didn't, if I didn't do what I do,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'd be like- Party planner? I've never, I've never, yeah, maybe. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: tell me. Professor slash party planner. Okay, but what, parties
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  Speaker 2: make me a little stressed. They're very unstructured. No, totally.
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  Speaker 2: I go, oh my God, the apps, like bring out
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  Speaker 2: the apps now. You know, I was actually at a
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  Speaker 2: wedding recently, nice one. App, broken glass, bleeding in my mouth.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Ran to the bathroom. There's blood. I spit out in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: the ceviche. There's glass. So I go back. I go in.
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  Speaker 2: I don't tell anyone I'm not going to ruin this wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. I go into the kitchen, through the doors,
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  Speaker 2: into the metal doors. I go, guys, the ceviche trays,
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  Speaker 2: you got to pull them. You got to pull them.
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  Speaker 2: There's glass. You know, and I quietly.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Quietly. You want to put out those fires. And I'll micromanage. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I definitely can have a white knuckle grip. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: love to have a dinner party or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I love to spend the days awake, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the nights before. It's not as simple. The effortless host
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  Speaker 2: is a lie. I think it's real. Some people actually
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  Speaker 2: can do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, like, I'm like. shaking yeah but there's things you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: can't control you can control the party but guess what
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: over controlled party hell hell for everyone hell so that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing you have to create the structure but you
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: have to let it to dissolve yeah yes.
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  Speaker 1: You might burn like something's gonna burn the like someone's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: gonna get into a fight like wine will be spilled
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  Speaker 1: a chimney.
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  Speaker 2: Sweep may show up yeah he might yeah he might
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: he might give you tmj but you keep going And.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That is something, the second thing we want you to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: take away from other than having sex with your sibling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do it. Guys, don't do it. Don't do it. Caperland.
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  Speaker 2: I love you. Wait, I love you so much. You
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  Speaker 2: are a hero to me. I have no trouble saying
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: that to you. And also truly going through a really
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: hard time recently. What did I pop on? Wet hot.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: They came together. Double feature. Cause I'm like, I need
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: something funny. I'm thinking, okay, funny movie. What's a funny movie? Oh,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: that's funny. Nothing's coming up. And then I go, we're going,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: we're going back to wet with wet hot lives in
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: my DNA and such a, I mean, you must've been
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: a teen when it came out. I don't remember when
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I first saw it. I saw it later. Yeah. But, um, yeah,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: it is the most beautiful and just, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Kate. I love, I love seeing you. And
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: that's just the tip. I'm not going to do your CV.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: We all know, but I love you. Thank you, Kate.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Kate Berlant. That was so fun.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I love talking to you and you're so funny and, um,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it's just.
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  Speaker 2: A joy to be around you. So, uh, Kate and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I talked about a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things we talked about is how fun
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it is to watch a awkward wedding speech. But I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: just want to say for people that are right now
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: getting ready to give a speech, a wedding speech, just
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: a few tips. Here are my unsolicited tips, which start
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: with a joke and sincere. Don't do it the other
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: way around. Don't start sincere and then think that this
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: hilarious joke is going to kill. Start with a really nice,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: easy joke up front, maybe something about how you're nervous,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: something self-effacing, and then just get them at the end
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: by being very, very sincere. You can never go wrong
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: if you're sincere. You can go horribly wrong if you
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: say the wrong joke. So that would be my unsolicited advice.
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  Speaker 1: But congratulations on your wedding and congratulations on being the bridesmaid.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, take your speech and cut it in half
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  Speaker 1: because it's going to go longer than you think. Thank
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: you so much for listening to Good Hang. Thanks for
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: checking in with us and.
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  Speaker 2: Have a good one.
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  Speaker 1: You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman and me, Amy Poehler.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Alea Zanaris, Bridget Geerlings, Paige Garberini, Belle Roman, and Drew
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Van Steenbergen. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell,
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  Speaker 1: and Jenna Weiss-Berman.
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  Speaker 2: Original music by Amy Miles.