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Louisiana’s Caitlyn Rose DISAPPEARS, Nav System Goes Dead With Dad on Phone · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful young woman sets out cross country, taking her
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  Speaker 2: vehicle from home all the way to Colorado at her
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  Speaker 2: new place with her brother. She speaks to her mom
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  Speaker 2: and dad all along the route until suddenly her.
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  Speaker 1: Phone goes dead.
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  Speaker 2: She's cut off, and then her car is found believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, up in a tree, the windows up,
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  Speaker 2: both her cell phones and all of her belongings in the.
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  Speaker 1: Car, but no Caitlin.
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  Speaker 2: Authorities convinced she was not in that view vehicle when
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  Speaker 2: someone eased it down a river embankment.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Foxcination and
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  Speaker 2: Serious XM one eleven. Evidence shows she was never in
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  Speaker 2: that car when it was eased down a river bank
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  Speaker 2: and now her mom and dad joining us right now
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  Speaker 2: fear their girl has been sex trafficked. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 2: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 2: here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. You know
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  Speaker 2: when I actually investigated and prosecuted my first sex trafficking case,
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  Speaker 2: we called it at that time statutory rape because that
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  Speaker 2: particular victim was thirteen and the notion of sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 2: Stealing a human and turning them into a sex slave
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  Speaker 2: far away from their home was unheard of, but it
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  Speaker 2: was happening under our noses, and it's happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: But first of all, let's not put the cart before
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  Speaker 2: the horse. Where is Caitlin? Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 2: friends at crime online.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin Rose Case is a Louisiana native, but recently she
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  Speaker 3: moved to Colorado, where family members live. Caitlin works as
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  Speaker 3: a technical mechanic. Caitlin made arrangements to buy a two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and six Blanck GMC envoy, so she takes a
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  Speaker 3: flight to whom a Louisiana buys the vehicle and then
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  Speaker 3: begins to drive the vehicle back home to Colorado as
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  Speaker 3: she is going to be on the road alone. The
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  Speaker 3: family is in constant contact with her throughout her travels,
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  Speaker 3: according to Kaitlin Case's mother on definedkaitlin dot com website,
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  Speaker 3: she tells family members the navigation system is giving her
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  Speaker 3: trouble and cell phone service is sporadic.
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  Speaker 2: Going across country, but staying in touch with her family
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  Speaker 2: every leg of the trip and more.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin Case travels through Texas and stopping at convenience stories
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  Speaker 3: in the cities of Mount Pleasant, Louisville, and Paris, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin Case calls her father around five pm. According to
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  Speaker 3: Kaitlin Case's mother, she's gotten lost in the rural areas
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  Speaker 3: of Texas and he is trying to talk to her
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  Speaker 3: through away back to the main road. She's traveling northbound
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  Speaker 3: on Highway two seventy one, about five miles southwest of Bogata, Texas,
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  Speaker 3: when just after five pm, Caitlyn Case's phone cuts out.
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  Speaker 2: With me and All Star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know about Caitlin's disappearance, But first I want
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  Speaker 2: to go to two very special guests joining us right now,
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  Speaker 2: Peggy and Gordon Case, Caitlin's mother and father.
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  Speaker 1: First to you, mister Case, do.
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  Speaker 2: You remember that phone call around five pm when Caitlyn's
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  Speaker 2: phone cut out?
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  Speaker 1: I do, What were you guys talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's king of what her location was. He was
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  Speaker 4: telling me that she was passing some dairy farm or
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  Speaker 4: some type of farm, which is that area. Is a
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  Speaker 4: lot of cattle in the area, and she was telling
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  Speaker 4: me that she was you know, she was just going
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  Speaker 4: by the and she didn't sound you know, too too worried.
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  Speaker 4: She sounded very quiet, which I kind of felt, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, she's very quiet. But anyway, we did speak.
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  Speaker 4: She was telling me that she was on some road
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  Speaker 4: with you know, passing up some cattle. And we're on
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  Speaker 4: the phone for about seven minutes, and I could barely
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  Speaker 4: hear her because she was on a gravel road. Apparently
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  Speaker 4: her windows were down because she didn't have any air
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  Speaker 4: condition in that vehicle. And anyways, we talked, and that's
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  Speaker 4: basically all we were saying, and I could barely hear
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  Speaker 4: her through all the noise from the gravel road. And
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  Speaker 4: then our phone was disconnected and I tried calling her
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  Speaker 4: back and I never was able to reach her again.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to Caitlin's dad, Gordon Case, Peggy Case, her
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  Speaker 2: mother is with us, Miss Case, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 1: Got a quot question. So she was driving from where
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  Speaker 1: to where she.
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  Speaker 5: Left from our home in Home, Louisiana, and she was
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  Speaker 5: going to black Hawk, Colorado, where my son. She had
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  Speaker 5: moved to black Hawk, Colorado and moved within with her brothers,
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  Speaker 5: and I had a job, and when she had enough money,
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  Speaker 5: she got a plane and came down to get the car,
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  Speaker 5: and she's very accustomed to traveling by herself, and she's
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  Speaker 5: very very good at navigations.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you, was she stopping along the way
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  Speaker 2: or was she trying to drive straight through?
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  Speaker 1: What was her plan?
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  Speaker 5: What I do know is she was going to drive,
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  Speaker 5: you know, but she got too tired. She was going
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  Speaker 5: to because it's about a twenty something hour drive. If
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  Speaker 5: she got too tired, she was going to you know,
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  Speaker 5: get in a bit of room. But the last time
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  Speaker 5: we spoke to her, which as Gordon mentioned, was around
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  Speaker 5: five in the five or six in the afternoon, and
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  Speaker 5: that was the last time we were able to get
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  Speaker 5: in touch with her. But that wasn't unusual in that area.
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  Speaker 5: The phone, you know, when we were texting, when we
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  Speaker 5: were well, when we were calling, the phone would just
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  Speaker 5: ring and ring and ring, and then she'd pick up.
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  Speaker 5: Even so, the service cell service is very spotty in that.
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  Speaker 2: Area, mister case. Yes, how long had she been driving?
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  Speaker 2: How many days? How many hours? At your best guess
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  Speaker 2: that day at five.
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  Speaker 1: Pm, probably.
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  Speaker 4: Seven seven, eight hours, seven hours.
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  Speaker 2: Had she stopped anywhere along the way, Had she stayed
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  Speaker 2: overnight at any hotel or motel? Had she stopped for gas,
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  Speaker 2: had she gone to a convenience store.
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  Speaker 4: To your knowledge, she did stop for gas at a
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  Speaker 4: couple places. When I was finally in contact with her
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  Speaker 4: early in the afternoon, about one o'clock or so, she
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  Speaker 4: was in Gilmour, Texas, and that's when I started to
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  Speaker 4: navigate her up to two seventy one to get her
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  Speaker 4: up through you know, to get her on.
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  Speaker 6: The route, to get her out of that area.
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  Speaker 4: But we were on the phone at in Gilmour, and
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  Speaker 4: then we were also on the phone a couple hours
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  Speaker 4: later when she got to Mount Pleasant, and then when
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  Speaker 4: she got to Mount Pleasant, she you know, she ended up.
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  Speaker 4: We got her back on the road again, and then
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  Speaker 4: you know, of course in Bogata, we were on the
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  Speaker 4: phone again when she was in those solar field areas
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  Speaker 4: where we lost connection to.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us VP of Operations at USPA Nationwide Security.
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  Speaker 2: You can find Brian at USPA security dot com.
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  Speaker 1: I want to point out also.
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  Speaker 2: He was part of the Kingsman philanthropic rescue missions of
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  Speaker 2: women and children in Ukraine. He is an Iraqi war veteran.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's seen it all, Brian Fitzgibbons. I'm sure you've
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  Speaker 2: already figured out why I'm asking if she was stopping
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  Speaker 2: along the way at gas stations, at hotels where a
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  Speaker 2: predator would have seen her driving, you'd see the tags
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  Speaker 2: on the car. See she was heading somewhere. See she's
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  Speaker 2: from out of state and she's alone.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, Nancy, And that's something that you know, Gordon and
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  Speaker 7: Peggy have done a tremendous job of piecing together her
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  Speaker 7: credit card transactions as well as from OSBI the cell
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  Speaker 7: phone data of where she stopped, when she stopped, and
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  Speaker 7: we have a decent timeline to say for how long. Now,
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  Speaker 7: the timeline doesn't help us exclude that those interactions could happen.
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  Speaker 7: And to your point, that's got to be our greatest
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  Speaker 7: fear that somewhere along the way someone realized that she's
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  Speaker 7: going to be in these areas have very limited cell
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  Speaker 7: coverage and is alone. And I want to add one
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  Speaker 7: piece to that cell coverage in those hours that Gordon
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  Speaker 7: was just describing. To paint this picture a little bit more,
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  Speaker 7: you have to imagine she's using maps on her phone
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  Speaker 7: that as she loses data connection, she may have no
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  Speaker 7: maps for hours at a time. Where Gordon was communicating
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  Speaker 7: with her to send screenshots of where to go. So
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  Speaker 7: it's a particularly harrowing scenario for a woman, a beautiful
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  Speaker 7: young woman, alone in that remote of an area.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been there.
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  Speaker 2: I've been there where your NAV system goes down, and
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  Speaker 2: I called my husband and asked him to pull it
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  Speaker 2: up on his phone to tell me where was I.
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  Speaker 2: Especially in rural area where you don't see landmarks, there's
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  Speaker 2: not a gas station on the corner, there's not street
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  Speaker 2: crossings that you can say, Hey, I'm at the corner.
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  Speaker 1: Of first Street in Elm.
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  Speaker 2: That's impossible, and you're stuck and you can't just sit there.
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  Speaker 1: You got to go forward.
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  Speaker 2: That's the position in which Caitlin rose Case finds herself
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  Speaker 2: on a long, long trip across country.
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  Speaker 3: No one has been named a suspect or person of
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  Speaker 3: interest in the disappearance of Caitlyn rose Case.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we a piece together some
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  Speaker 2: of her route. Will it help us listen to our
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  Speaker 2: friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 3: After the call with her father, Kaitlyn Case continues driving.
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  Speaker 3: Cell tower tracking indicates that Caitlyn Case continues northward Paris, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly after seven pm, her cell phone pings to cell
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  Speaker 3: towers in Pattonville, Texas and south of Paris. At nine
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  Speaker 3: to seventeen PM, a license plate reader captures her car
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  Speaker 3: leaving Paris on the south loop of Highway to eighty
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  Speaker 3: six and traveling northwest FM seventy nine. Her cell phone
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  Speaker 3: last pings to sell towers in Chalkdaw County, Oklahoma. Her
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  Speaker 3: vehicle is believed to have been traveling on Highway two
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  Speaker 3: seventy one. According to Kaitlin Case's mother on defined kaitlin
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  Speaker 3: dot com website, a cell phone tower ping is recorded
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  Speaker 3: in Hugo, Oklahoma. The Oklahoma Missing Persons Department immediately deploys
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  Speaker 3: a search team to that area.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Nick Huber, investigative reporter for
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  Speaker 2: the Paris News. Nick, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not that familiar with Hugo, Oklahoma. What if anything
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  Speaker 2: do we know about it.
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  Speaker 8: It's a small town in Chalkdaw County, which is part
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  Speaker 8: of the Chalkdown Nation. Fairly small, fairly remote.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is what I know.
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  Speaker 2: Following up on Nick Huber's comments with The Paris News,
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  Speaker 2: I know that Hugo is in Choctaw County. As Nick
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  Speaker 2: just told us, Southeastern Oklahoma, nine miles north of the
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  Speaker 2: Texas state line. So she had just crossed from Texas
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  Speaker 2: into Oklahoma. And the entire population of Hugo is about
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  Speaker 2: five thousand people, and that has spread out over Choctow County.
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  Speaker 1: Now why is that important to me?
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  Speaker 2: It's important to me because that tells me I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to have a lot of witnesses that saw her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to have a witness that can place somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Following her, someone that.
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  Speaker 2: She was speaking to asking for directions. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to find a witness. I've got to accept that. But
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  Speaker 2: let's take a look at what we know about her movements.
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  Speaker 2: Back to mister and missus case Gordon and Peggy Case.
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  Speaker 1: So the phone last.
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  Speaker 2: Ping is in Hugo, Oklahoma, and she's made it out
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  Speaker 2: of Texas. Has she ever been in Chalktown County or
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  Speaker 2: in that area before Peggy that we know of to
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  Speaker 2: my knowledge?
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  Speaker 4: No, what about it, Gordon, No, she'd never been in
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  Speaker 4: that area ever.
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  Speaker 6: And I might want to add, there's no proof my
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  Speaker 6: daughter ever made it out.
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  Speaker 4: Of out of uh Paris, Texas. She never was in
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  Speaker 4: control of that vehicle. There's no there's no way, the
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  Speaker 4: way the the way that the the traveling that we
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  Speaker 4: have on record. My daughter was not in control of
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  Speaker 4: that vehicle going into Paris, Texas. Whatever happened to my
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  Speaker 4: daughter happened in the in the in the Pagoda between
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  Speaker 4: the Pagoda and Jennings area.
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  Speaker 6: This week, we're this, We're guarant this. I can guarantee you.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you are just giving me a whole another viewpoint. Yes, ma'am,
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  Speaker 2: because I was thinking she was in the car until
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  Speaker 2: somebody east down the bank of that river.
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  Speaker 4: No, I found her vehicle. Both her phones were in
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  Speaker 4: the vehicle. The vehicle never made it into the river.
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  Speaker 4: It got caught between two trees.
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  Speaker 6: Her phones were in the vehicle.
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  Speaker 4: Her vehicle was locked up, the windows were locked up,
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  Speaker 4: it was in neutral, the key was on. She was
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  Speaker 4: not in the vehicle. We know nobody was in that vehicle.
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  Speaker 4: The airplags didn't employed with the d air bags, and
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  Speaker 4: you could tell the vehicle had been manually pushed down
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  Speaker 4: that hills to go into that river on that property.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of information that I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: you do or don't.
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  Speaker 1: Have you tell me what you found.
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  Speaker 4: What I found was my oldest son got in and
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  Speaker 4: Peggy got her Mom got the cell.
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  Speaker 6: Phone app from Samsung to find my phone. Caitlin had
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  Speaker 6: set that up.
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  Speaker 4: We got a ping on the location where her vehicle was,
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  Speaker 4: and it was on the George Harrington's property up there
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  Speaker 4: at Fort Colston, Oklahoma, behind a locked gate, and I
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  Speaker 4: was told by the local Hugo department that we were
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  Speaker 4: going to get in, that he was going there immediately.
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  Speaker 6: I was still in Paris, Texas. I asked him.
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  Speaker 4: I said, well, can I meet you up there? He goes, well,
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  Speaker 4: why don't you just sit still and we'll let you
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  Speaker 4: know if you need to come up here if we
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  Speaker 4: find anything.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I didn't sit still. I drove up there.
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  Speaker 4: He said he was on his way.
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  Speaker 6: He was a mile away. I was thirty miles away.
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  Speaker 4: I got there before him by ten minutes. We finally
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  Speaker 4: got onto the property and during our search in that afternoon,
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  Speaker 4: I was able to locate her vehicle. Just walked right
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  Speaker 4: into it. It was on its side and it was
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  Speaker 4: ready to go down the embankment. All the windows were
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  Speaker 4: locked up, everything was shut tight. We didn't know if
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  Speaker 4: she was in it or not. We finally got the
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  Speaker 4: door open, we realized she wasn't in it. And anyways,
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  Speaker 4: all her stuff, one of her, everything she owned was
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  Speaker 4: in it, including the shoes she was wearing. The pants
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  Speaker 4: she was wearing were inside out across the center console.
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  Speaker 4: The people that live there are Will Harrington and his wife,
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  Speaker 4: Haley Harrington. There are the son and daughter in law
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  Speaker 4: of George and Elizabeth Harrington that owned the property. That
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  Speaker 4: the wife told us repeatedly that at eleven o'clock on
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  Speaker 4: that night, on the fifth, that two vehicles entered her
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  Speaker 4: property at a high rate of speed.
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  Speaker 6: And then she.
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  Speaker 4: Heard the dogs bark, and she looked out the window
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  Speaker 4: and saw these cars come on to her property, dust flying, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and then the dejected and then she said, a little
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  Speaker 4: while later the dogs barked again, only one car was
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  Speaker 4: exiting their property at a high rate of speed. The
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  Speaker 4: detective asked her directly, are you sure of the time?
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  Speaker 4: She said, absolutely, it was eleven o'clock. Told us how
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  Speaker 4: she went to dinner, her and her husband. They left
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  Speaker 4: the gate wide open. They came home, and oh, they
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  Speaker 4: forgot to leave the gate. They forgot to shut the gate.
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  Speaker 6: It was left wide open.
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  Speaker 4: So anyways, the vehicle left out of there at a
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  Speaker 4: high rate of speed. He asked her, did you get
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  Speaker 4: a license plate? She said no, it was moving so
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  Speaker 4: fast and the dust was flying art to see with
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  Speaker 4: the tail line. That was the event of that evening.
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  Speaker 4: It went on to about eleven o'clock at night before
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  Speaker 4: we excavated the vehicle from where it was lodged between
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  Speaker 4: the trees, and there was a lot of forensic people there,
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  Speaker 4: the crash crash guide, the pathologists and they were going
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  Speaker 4: through the entire vehicle, and I took pictures as well.
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  Speaker 4: And anyway, the next day we were supposed to show
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  Speaker 4: up there with with the owner's consent, with a set
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  Speaker 4: of dogs that Peggy had found. Caitlin's mom had set
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  Speaker 4: up a dog search team when we got there that
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  Speaker 4: the gate was locked. It was who were not going
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  Speaker 4: to be able to get in. The wife said that
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  Speaker 4: she that he never got up to look to see
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  Speaker 4: who came onto that property that night, or did he
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  Speaker 4: investigate the next day to see why only.
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  Speaker 6: One car left.
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  Speaker 4: And that's when that's when that's when OSBI Oklahoma, your
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  Speaker 4: investigations detective got involved. And then he he took that
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  Speaker 4: story from from Will's wife, Haley Harrington, and say he
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  Speaker 4: talked to the husband. The husband got up and he
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  Speaker 4: said he only saw one car enter. Well, then when
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  Speaker 4: I said, well, why wouldn't you get up to see
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  Speaker 4: who was entering your poppy at eleven o'clock, then he said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to argue with Gordon.
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  Speaker 6: There was only one car.
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  Speaker 4: That came in there. And then it went from the
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  Speaker 4: one car to there was no car. No, he didn't
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  Speaker 4: see any car.
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  Speaker 6: It was real quiet that night.
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  Speaker 4: There was nothing going on, no car, no nothing. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't see anything at the end of his story, and
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  Speaker 4: he already got done telling PEG's Peggy that you know,
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  Speaker 4: he was kind enough to take him back there and
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  Speaker 4: show him the set of second set of vehicle tires
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  Speaker 4: that had left the property. Right, So then it went
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  Speaker 4: from all that to absolutely seeing nothing. And that's when
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  Speaker 4: I knew things were not going to go right. So,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I could go on and on and on
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  Speaker 4: for a long time about what's going on up there.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear every single thing. But the first
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  Speaker 2: thing I want to do is get back to you
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  Speaker 2: are in Texas, you are using find my iPhone app
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  Speaker 2: and you realize where she is and you call police.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that how that started?
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: You asked them to meet you, and they tell you
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to stay put, but you don't stay put. You go
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: thirty miles and you get there first, tell me about
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: how you found her car. And it's the car and
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the phone in the car, two phones, all of her belongings.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And interestingly, she's only been gone, you know, when she
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: was calling you anyway, seven or eight hours.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: The clothes she had on.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: When you last saw her, the pants are inside out,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: lying across the console of the car. Even her shoes
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: are left behind.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Is that right, Yes, yes, ma'am.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And the car is locked in.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: The car was well that We actually got intrough the
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: back door, but the windows were completely rolled up tight
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: and there was no air conditioning in that vehicle. So
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: it was eighty something degrees in Texas that evening all
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that day. She did not drive around in Texas where
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: her windows rolled up in the middle of that heat
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: with no air conditioning. And if she crashed the car,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: which she did not, she was not in that vehicle.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: She would have never rolled the vehicle the windows up
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: when she left. She wasn't parking at Walmart. She just
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: crashed the car. She would not be concerned about that,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: but they never found any fingerprints. Not only like two
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: fingerprints are hers in the entire vehicle.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So the vehicle was wiped down. And it's your theory.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: She was not the one that drove the car. Absolutely, Now,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: how is a car in a tree?
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Well, what happened was is it went down the only
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: hill on their property, the only place that you could
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: launch a vehicle on its own that would go down
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: that bar was that right where the vehicle was. And
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: that vehicle what happened was it was putting neutral and
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: it was so when neutral and the key was on,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: so the steering wasn't locked. It went down the hill
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and it went over a little knoll and it hit
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: a tree route and it spun that front tire sideways,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: and it spun the whole vehicle sideways, and it caught
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: between two little tiny trees no more than eight inches
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: or something, or you know in Diana, real small sapling trees,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: and these it caught her back bumper, her back tail
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: hitch in the front of the vehicle, and it kept
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: it from going over into the river. They wanted it
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: to go in the river. But the thing is is
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: that there was no water at the bottom of that
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: embankment for another twenty feet. It was a fallen tree,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: so it probably never would have made it into the
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: river to begin with.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: But somebody had to know that layout of that land.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: If that was the only hill down which you could
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: push the car. This is reminding me of Susan Smith.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when she locked her sons in the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: car in the seat belts and then pushed the car
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: into the water.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So, Brian Fitzgibbons joining.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Us from USPA Security, she never was in the car
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: because when you first hear about the case, her vehicle
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: has gone down into a river. Her cell phone is
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in there. She crashed, that's what you think. But it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: nothing of.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: The sort, absolutely, Nancy. And to your point that the
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: media could create a big misconception here with some of
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: these news articles that have come out about the case.
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: I means, as Gordon mentioned, this is the only hill
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: on that private property.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: You would have to know about that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: This is a very remote land out there, a lot
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: of farmland, private off of a private road. It's not
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: like she just drove off of the interstate into a river. Okay.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: This vehicle went to a spot to be disposed of
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: and Caitlin was not in that vehicle when that took place,
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: so whoever disposed of it knew that this was a
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: spot that they could launch the vehicle into the into
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: the river from.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, nobody's been named a person of interest or suspect.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Take a list as our cut Ten, our friend Dave Mack.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: According to Kaitlin Case's mother on the find Kaitlin dot
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: com website, Caitlin's vehicle was discovered behind a private gated
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: property at approximately three to four pm on August twelfth.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It appears that someone was attempting to dispose of the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: vehicle in the Kiamichi River. However, the attempt to get
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: rid of the vehicle failed. In the course of traveling
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: toward the path of the river embankment, the vehicle became
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: cradled in between two small trees overhanging a seventy five
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: foot cliff. No one has been named a suspect or
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose Case.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. A seventy five foot cliff?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: To you, mister Case, is that the way it really was?
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: It well, it wasn't like a straight down cliff, but
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: it was on an embankment. From about the point where
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the vehicle was on its side, caught in those trees,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: it would have been about seventy feet actually to the river. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: that's that's how I found it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And I guess at that time of the night whoever
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: eased the car down there had no idea it didn't
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: go all the way down to the bottom.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Well, it's my theory that they probably did, and that's
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: why they got out of their fast, you know. They
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: they came in that they.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: Absolutely knew the property. There's no way they.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Would have found that hill behind that barn.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: If they didn't. And also when you travel on to
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: that property, there's.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: A lot of machinery that was there, the farm equipment
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: that was in tall grass, and if there was somebody
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: who didn't know their way around that property, they would
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: have probably crashed in that. If they were coming in
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: at a high right rate of speed, they knew exactly
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: where to turn behind the hay barn to find that
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: hill to launch that vehicle.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: And when in the.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Miss Haley Harrington said that that vehicle, she said it
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: was there a little a little while a little while
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: later I heard the dog's bar. We don't know, because
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: nobody's ever asked this woman how along that vehicle was there.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, the Bureau of Investigations detectives tried to
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: make that out like it never happened. The Bureau of
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Investigations detective theory was is that, well, we think she
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: got out of the vehicle and she got eaten by
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: wild hogs and the end, the tracking dogs would not
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: be able to get her sent if she was torn
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: to pieces.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: That's what he.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Told my daughter's mother.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And then the second theory was is that she made
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: it out of there and she walked down to the
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: main road, which is two miles in the pitch black
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: by a bunch of wild dogs in the street, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: got down there and hitch Ike got out of there
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: what with no shoes, no pants, no clothes. That never happened.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And I tell you what Paris Police Department detective over there,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: he absolutely will do nothing to help us. He was
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: originally contacted by the Attorney General's Office in Louisiana. At
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: first he was super nice and all of a sudden
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: he quit textinging. He know, no contact with him at all.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Another one, Lamar Sheriff's Department, absolutely nothing would not return
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: my calls. I finally told him I'm going national with this.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: He called me within two days to find out what
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: was going on, said he was going to call the FBI,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: knew somebody. He never did nothing. He just wanted to
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: see what I knew and how mad I was. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: believe me, I'm furious. I've contacted the governor's office in
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: both states, the Texas and Oklahoma. I've contacted the attorney
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: generals in both those states. I have gotten no response
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: from anybody. And Hugo Police Department, the detective that was
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: there the night that we found the vehicle blocked my
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: phone and told me to call the mar Sheriff's department.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Why would I call the mar Sheriff's department. It's her
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: course found in Port Post and Oklahoma. So this is
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: what I'm dealing with over there. And also I wanted
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: footage from Bagoda where she was. We actually got a
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: witness that talked to my daughter in Bagoda, Texas the
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: day she went missing. Police never investigated. Told that police
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: department she didn't spend any money in your town, so.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: There's no need to look for her. And when I.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Because I spoke to a police officer there, and that's
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: exactly what he told me.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: This sounds like a horrible cover up.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the witness that saw her in Pagoda, Texas.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: She works a it's a female. She works at the
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: She works at the Dollar General. I guess this is
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: all we know at this point. They're still trying to
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: locate her because they talked to another girl that you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: said that that's what you know. She spoke to my
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: daughter that day and she actually said she was coming
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: back to the store, and she left and never came back.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But I I asked day one, I said, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: will you go back and check the footage and those
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: stores and at Pagoda there's only a couple of stores there.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: He got furious with me. He said, no way am
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I going back there. We got her in Para.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Sexs, there's no need to go do that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Well, guess what she was in that town and if
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: they looked at the footage, they would have seen her
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: there and maybe somebody with her or followed her out
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: or something. But he didn't want to do that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And that's the Dollar General in Pagoda, Texas, right and gooda?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And when was she and Pagoda.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: She was at Bagoda right there, right before she talked
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: to me at five thirty. She would have came out
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: of Bagoda right around that time, just before that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Josh Ritter, high profile criminal defense attorney,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: former prosecutor in LA at Joshuillridder dot com.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Josh, what do you do when police?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And it pains me to say this as a veteran prosecutor,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: when police won't do their job, something stinks.
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: Absolutely. First of all, I want to applaud you, a
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: mister Case. It's only through your kind of dogged determination.
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: I think that this case is continuing to get the
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: attention that it is, and I think that I agree
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: with you, Nancy. I'm you know, as a former prosecutor,
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: I consider myself former law enforcement. I have a lot
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: of respect for people who are involved in that field.
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: But theories something wrong here, especially when you're hearing that
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: the family members are the ones who are doing the
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: lion's share of the work here. All of this information
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: that we're finding out today certainly hasn't been accurately reported
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: in the media as of the reports that I've been
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: able to read. So we're getting a lot of information
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: that seems like there is more to go on than
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: at first one might think. I mean, we have it
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: sounds like the thing that stands out most to me
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: is probably something that's very simple, but I think could
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: be hugely impactful. Is the idea that there were two
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: people out there at that location. If we can believe
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: the witness who said that there were two vehicles and
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: only one returning the way that it's been described, that
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: the car was in neutral and intentionally pushed off of
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: that hill, it sounds like there's a couple of people involved,
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: which to me means there's a couple of people out
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: there with information and they're going to have a hard
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: time keeping their mouth shut. If the family members and Gordon, again,
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: I salute who continued to press upon this case and
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: press upon law enforcement, I am very hopeful that some
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: sort of break is going to be coming shortly in
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: this case.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: Well, I appreciate it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we appreciate it. Thank you.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: A disappearance like this is hard enough to solve, as
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: it is much less without proper police work.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut twelve.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: According to Kaitlin's mother, Caitlin Rose, Cases, vehicle landed at
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the final destination according to GPS hit Gmail at eleven
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: forty six pm August fifth, once the vehicle was found.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: According to Caitlin's mother, the Hugo Police Department detectives and
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the OSBI failed to secure the property or treat the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: area as a crime scene when that vehicle was located.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: On August twelfth. Officially, Caitlin Case's vehicle, a two thousand
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: and six black GMC envoy with the Louisiana license plate,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: was found abandoned behind a private gated property along a
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: steep embankment on the Kiamichi River near Frogville, Localoe. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: where is Caitlin Rose Case?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Why do many people believe Caitlin has been sex trafficked?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Take a listen howur cut twenty five crime online.
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: As police search for Caitlyn Rose, two eyewitnesses come forward.
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: They tell police they believe they saw Case on August seventeenth,
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: This is five days after Case's car was found. She
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: was crying in the backseat of a disabled white suv.
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: It had been pushed from the road by two women
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: into a gas station in Paris, Texas. The witnesses said
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: there was a dark colored SUV that came to assist
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: the disabled SUV to Peggy Case.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: This is Caitlin's mom. What do you make of that report?
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: What do I make of it? Well, we have worked
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: on this, Gordon and has done the yeoman's share of
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: the work on this. But we've pulled together all this information.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've tried to contact every police department BI.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I mean we spoke to FBI, you know, missing persons
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: on and on. The list goes on and on, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: none of the local police departments wanted to cooperate us
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: with us at all. We provided them with the bank
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: statements like critical, you know, I went into the bank.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: We filed the missing person's report on Saturday on the
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: on the August the sixth, Gordon and I we got
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: the first cell tower ping on August the seventh, that Sunday.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: We were at the police station around ten pm when
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: they got the first ping and it was in Hero, Oklahoma.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: They immediately contacted missing persons in Oklahoma and Jim Parrish
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: is the person that manned that search around the cell towers.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Like it was a six mile perimeter on the on
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: the western side I think they did first and in
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: the eastern side they did later. Six miles in the
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: opposite direction, and that was a core joint effort whoever,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: whatever was, whatever agencies work with Oklahoma missing persons. But
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: two uh, there was supposedly dogs and drones and foot
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: traffic and they found nothing.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Right, Gordon Case, let me ask you a question regarding
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: this most recent report that two witnesses come forward and
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: state they saw your daughter August seventeen, that would be
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: five days after her car was found crying in the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: back seat of a white suv pushed from the road
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: by two women into a gas station in Paris, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: that there was a dark colored suv that came to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: assist the disabled white suv.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, actually I was the found one that found
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: that report from that person. I was up there in
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: that area putting out flyers, and it just so happened
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: just before I would leaving something to go back to
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: this little restaurant and put a flyer there, and I did,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and I spoke to a couple of girls there and
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: left the flyer left. I left that area and went
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: back to Louisiana, which is about seven eight hours away,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: got back home. It was a Friday, and on the
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: very next day, Saturday, evening, I got a call from
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: this witness that had went to that restaurant. His wife
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: works there and they were having a birthday party and
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: he looked down and he saw that fire and he says,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: holy crap, that's that girl we saw that night at
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the gas station. He called me immediately off that fire
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: because we decided to put our own phone numbers on
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: there because we knew the OSBI was not getting any
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: was not taking information because we had other witnesses come forward.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: They never even checked into they contacted us to see
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: if OSBI ever contacted us, because they never contacted them,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: and we have reports that they say they did, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: they did it and they were incredible and whatever excuse
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: they could make, but they never did. But I did
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: talk to the guy and his name is Johnny Hall
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: and his wife and they were very nice people, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: I talked to him in length and he let me
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: record the conversation. And yes he did. He said he
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: saw my daughter one hundred percent on his mother's ashes. Now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: could he be wrong, maybe so, I don't know, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: he was. He swears that it was, and his wife
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: as well, and she was in a vehicle in the
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Cesscal gas station. Across from Walmart on the Paris Circle,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: and he said he went up. The two girls were
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: pushing the broken down vehicle and she was in the vehicle.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: She was crying.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: He went up to her and he said, whatever is wrong.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: He said, God's going to fix whatever your problem is.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: And one girl came up behind him and said, oh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: she's crying because she's just far away from home. And
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: that was his story. And so I have that story.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: And when we told so, I called up the Oklahoma
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: of Your Investigations head, head of person over there with
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: that information, and she never would call me, never would
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: talk to me, and she gave the shed put that
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: call back to Oklahoma your Investigations detective, who in return
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: said he wasn't credible because, of course, again it was
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: way too long after the fact that that was incredible,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: and we've had a lot of witnesses and a lot
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: of information that insists that they're just not credible.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Why are you convinced as to the location where everything
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: went wrong for Caitlin, Well.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Because, first of all, my daughter would as soon as
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: she got anywhere, she would have called me back if
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: once our phone drop, if she had car trouble, she
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: had any trouble at all.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: She would have been on the phone with me.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I texted her and told her it was getting late.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Because it was it was getting getting towards evening. She
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: would have needed to get a room at the Ilfen Paris, Texas.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I had looked on the map and looked at the town,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: and I found a.
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  Speaker 6: Place for her.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Never heard from her ever again. She would have never
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: not called me back. And there are a couple of
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: witnesses that flame saw her in Cunningham where she was
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: on the phone with me on that street, said she
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: turned around in his driveway, and then another one up
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  Speaker 4: in Jennings. Well, it seems real odd that in between
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Cunningham and Jennings is property owned by the same people
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: where her vehicle was found. Really, personally, I think these
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: are smoking, mere witnesses to put her out of that area.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: And he says that she went into Paris. Well, everybody agrees,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: and other investigators agree that there's no way she was
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: in control of that vehicle and went through all that area.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: She didn't know the area. She started out at the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Civic Center, went all around Paris, ended back at the
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Civic Center. She would have never done that. It would
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: have never happened. We have a lot of information.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: So where do you pinpoint, Well, you believe your daughter
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: ran into.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Trouble, Well, I can't pinpoint it. It could have been
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: anywhere from Mount Pleasant on up. She might have met
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: maybe picked someone up, or someone was following her at
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: that point. She might have met somebody in Bagoda. You know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: maybe they talked with her, maybe she trusted them. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: don't know. I don't really know exactly all I know where.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: I was told, where I was on the phone with.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Her, and after everything that the OSBI has given us
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: so far, which is bet bs, I do. I don't
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: even trust the Wi FI hits or any of the
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: information off of that. That was a typed out sheet
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: that my family and sent everybody out. They're not the
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: original records, phone records from the phone company. They are
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: typed out version of his version. I don't trust anything
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: that man has to say. And I want to add
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: first of all, that Peggy has been a huge part
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: of this. We would not be anywhere without her. She's
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: the rock to this family period. So I want to
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: put that in there. And I also want to add
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: that from day one I asked him, I said well,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: should we put up some flyers, some bulletins around Paris,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Texas Loop. We have people that want to fund that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I wouldn't do that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: We don't know anything right now.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: And I said, well, how about how about if we
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: put out a reward. Oh no, We've never had anybody
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: come for a reward. I said, well, I'm going for three, right,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I said, well, how about a private investigator. Well, you
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: know we're working on a case right now.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: It's been over a year.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: We kind of classed with dev you know, they want.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: To solve it before us, and blah blah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: We haven't solved that case at all.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: So let me understand.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: They don't want missing people flyers, they don't want a reward,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and they don't want you to hire a PI.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Did I get that right?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: You're right?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And who is this telling you that?
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: The detective of Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation and I talked
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: to his supervisor. No word from him. I told him
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: about my concerns from the beginning. I've gotten nothing but
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: silence from him. From the head director over there OSBI,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: they will tell us nothing.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You know, Doctor Angie Arnold joining me, were now psychiatrists
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: out of Atlanta. When you're looking for your child and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: even authorities are not helping you, that's got to be
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the most disillusioning thing, and you feel totally defeated, but
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: they're not.
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: Oh my god, I'll tell you something. First of all,
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: I'm so sorry that you are having to go through this,
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: but kudos to you for not letting the people that
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: are in charge hold you back from trying to find
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: your daughter. This is the most amazing story I've ever heard,
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: isn't it for you? Nancy?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I tell you, I'm just having a hard time accepting
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: that they're getting no help from anyone, especially in light
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: of these two civilians where her car is caught up
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: in a tree on their property, changing their stories. Their
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: stories change from two vehicles coming in to one vehicle
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: to didn't they go to no vehicles coming in at
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: eleven o'clock the night before mister case.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, did didn't see anything?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: In the end yet not thinking okay.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: And the fact that her clothing was in the car,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: her cell phones were in the car, her purse, everything
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: is in the car with the windows rolled up, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a car that doesn't have air conditioned in that Texas heat.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Everything is all wrong.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I want to give you phone numbers and emails if
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you want your voice to be heard. Paris, Texas PD
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: nine zero three seven eight four sixty six eight eight Bugatta,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Texas Police nine zero three sixty three two o seven
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: seven two.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: That's not all.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Lamar County Sheriff nine zero three seven three seven twenty
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: four hundred.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: The Oklahoma ag.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Four zero two five two one three nine two one.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: The governor four zero five five two one two three
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: four two.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: What is happening?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Why is this case been handled the way it has
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: or miss handled?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard to.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You, Tony Wade of a law officer saying you don't
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: need any missing person flyers, you don't need to put
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: out a reward, you don't need to hire a p
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that in my life.
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: It's actually ludicrous, you know. And Nancy, this reminds me
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: of a case that you and I actually done together
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: several years ago in Texas. No law enforcement wouldn't help us.
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: They even come to my hotel maximum glean Town. It
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: makes that's really no sense to me. There should be
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: a search form on that property, you know why. And
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: it happens more times than not, I can tell you
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: thirty years of doing this now. There's a lot of
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: police departments who just don't want to get involved in
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: missing person's cases because they don't know how to handle
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: it begin with. But why try and stop what the
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: family's trying to do, putting out flyers or stop search
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: teams from coming in those things? That has never made
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: any such to me.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Man, I smell a rat. I smell a dead rat.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Nick Hebert joining us from the Paris News. What is
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: law enforcement telling you?
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: They haven't told me anything. I've attempted to contact everyone
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: multiple times in the Lamar County Sheriff's office, Paris Police Department.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: I've gotten confirmation there's an open investigation. But that's about
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: it as far as what anyone wants to say. You
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: can't request government records from OSBI, so it just it
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: seems like it's a dead.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: End, a dead end.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not a dead end right now, even though
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it may seem that way. Guys, if you want to
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: help Gordon and Peggy Case find their daughter, go online
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: to find Kitlin dot com, c ai t l y N.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Caitlin with a C.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Or they're running out of money to search for their
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: daughter themselves. They're basically having to take on the government
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to try and find what happened to their girl. There
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: is a GoFundMe, a GoFundMe dot com slash help us
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Find Caitlin. Repeat gofund me dot com slash help us
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: find Kitlan.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace reached down to the OSBI.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: We were told this is an open case. Agents are
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: not at liberty to discuss the case. Park Police and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Bogata Police departments did not return our call. Hugo and
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Huma Police Department said no one was available to speak
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: with us. No one has been named a suspect or
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose case.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye FD