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TN DEPUTY COMA, VENTILATOR AFTER BRUTAL ATTACK · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Tennessee deputy in a
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Speaker 1: coma and on a ventilator fighting for his life after
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Speaker 1: a brutal attack. When he answers the call along with
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Speaker 1: his partner to help a woman, instead, he has to
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Speaker 1: be dragged out of bush's his head believing and ends
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Speaker 1: up fighting for his life. Why good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with.
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Speaker 2: Us for years.
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Speaker 3: A Deputy Dalton Swinger served with unwavering dedication at the
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Speaker 3: Knox County Sheriff's Office, a steady force protecting his community,
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Speaker 3: but one faithful call would thrust him and his team
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Speaker 3: into a life threatening confrontation that would change everything.
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Speaker 1: We are being told that Swanger needs a very complicated
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Speaker 1: and complex surgery that is offered at just a handful
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Speaker 1: of hospitals in our country due to a trachea closing.
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Speaker 1: He's going to have to have a tracheal re section
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Speaker 1: because of a brutal injury he obtained on duty. And
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Speaker 1: this is where it all starts.
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Speaker 4: Listen Saturday night, ten fifteen pm, Knox County, Tennessee. Nine
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Speaker 4: one one gets a report of shots fired on Stanley
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Speaker 4: road deputies, followed by On Patrol Live TV show camera crew,
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Speaker 4: are greeted onseen by a woman claiming she has a
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Speaker 4: crazy X and pointing officers toward a wooded area, announcing
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Speaker 4: their presence with shouts of Sheriff's office. A defiant voice
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Speaker 4: from the woods curses the deputies and begins throwing rocks.
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Speaker 5: Call about shots fired in Knox County, Tennessee, but as
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Speaker 5: he searched the perimeter of the woods, the here noises.
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Speaker 5: Deputy Dalton Swanger investigates further heads into the brush. He's
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Speaker 5: armed and he has no idea.
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Speaker 1: What's a waiting from our friends at On Patrol Live.
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Speaker 1: And this is where we're getting a really exact look
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Speaker 1: at what happened that night. And there's more.
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Speaker 3: The dark wooded area provides cover for the suspect, who
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Speaker 3: claims to have a gun as he is throwing rocks
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Speaker 3: at officers. Deputy spread out searching the perimeter, preventing the
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Speaker 3: suspect from running and getting away. Deputy Swinger goes into
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Speaker 3: the trees. The trees and brush prevent a clear view,
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Speaker 3: and Swinger tells the suspect show me your hands. It's
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Speaker 3: an ambush. As the suspect nail Swinger with a rock.
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Speaker 1: Imagine what it takes, day in, day out to go
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Speaker 1: into a darkened area where you think someone is in
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Speaker 1: their armed Yet you, Deputy Swinger, go in anyway because
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Speaker 1: it's your job. You don't question what could be in
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Speaker 1: the bushes, what could be in the dark the boogeyman
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Speaker 1: you can't see. You do your duty, and that's what
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Speaker 1: he did.
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Speaker 4: Listen, officers hear the ambush and see movement in the trees.
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Speaker 4: Then a thud has heard. His Deputy Swanger is hit
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Speaker 4: full force on top of his head and falls to
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Speaker 4: the ground. A deputy russies to Swanger, who says he
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Speaker 4: got knocked out. It was something hard. Fellow officers have
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Speaker 4: to drag the deputy from the woods and out of
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Speaker 4: the trees. A bloody gash can be clearly seen on
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Speaker 4: the deputy's head.
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Speaker 1: I want you to see what happened immediately after the attack.
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Speaker 6: Show me your pens. Who are you knocked out?
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Speaker 1: Anything that was from on patrol Lie to doctor Kendall
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Speaker 1: Crown's joining as Chief Medical Examiner Terrent County. He is
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Speaker 1: esteemed lecturer at the Burnet School of Medicine at TCU
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Speaker 1: at star of a hit podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue
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Speaker 1: Dodger Kimdl Crowns, thank you for being with us. Whenever
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Speaker 1: I hear the word a sud in connection with a
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Speaker 1: human body, it's never good. So how could Deputy Swanger
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Speaker 1: at first stand and speak saying I've been hit and
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Speaker 1: then suddenly end up in a coma?
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Speaker 7: When he was hit with the rock, he got a
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Speaker 7: what is called a depressed skull fracture, which means it
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Speaker 7: didn't break through completely to the skull getting to the brain,
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Speaker 7: but it actually pushed down onto the brain. And when
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Speaker 7: that happens, it bruises the brain. But much like a
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Speaker 7: bruise on your body, it takes a little while for
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Speaker 7: that bruise to blossom or get bigger and actually start
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Speaker 7: having effects. Why he was able to speak initially is
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Speaker 7: because that bleeding in his brain wasn't severe enough that
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Speaker 7: was affecting them. But as a short time continued, the
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Speaker 7: bleeding started getting bigger, and then he started seizing and
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Speaker 7: went into a coma.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, remember we're just lay people, okay. I
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Speaker 1: don't understand how you get hit on the outside of
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Speaker 1: your head and then your brain bleeds deep inside your head.
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Speaker 7: It's the hit to the head causes energy or kinetic
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Speaker 7: energy the wave to go into your brain tissue itself,
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Speaker 7: which is just liquid, and then that can cause a
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Speaker 7: disruption of the tissues and the blood vessels, resulting and
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Speaker 7: further bleeding. Plus also with the depressed skull fracture pushing
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Speaker 7: into the brain itself, it pushes on the brain tissue
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Speaker 7: causing damage as well.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to brace yourself. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: show you video. Let's see it. Control room deputies arrived
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Speaker 1: to a nine to one one call of shots fired.
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Speaker 1: They go around the residence and a woman directs them
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Speaker 1: toward the woods. Deputy Swinger is about there. She is
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Speaker 1: directing him back to the woods, and they know the
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Speaker 1: perk could be armed, and what do they do. They
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Speaker 1: don't go high bind their patrol car. They go out there.
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Speaker 1: There's a guy in there with a weapon according to
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Speaker 1: the woman, and they go look for him before it
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Speaker 1: can hurt anyone. Deputy Swinger is in the woods with
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Speaker 1: another deputy watching. Now see the circle showing where Swinger
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Speaker 1: is when he is slammed on the top of the
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Speaker 1: head with a rot or. A brick, he falls over,
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Speaker 1: he's dragged out of the woods. He tries to stand
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Speaker 1: up with the help of another deputy, he can't really
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Speaker 1: stand and then in the end he has to be
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Speaker 1: dragged out of the woods. Watch this. That was from
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Speaker 1: on Patrol Live. Doctor Kendle Crowns. How is it? He
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Speaker 1: can talk and he can move his arms, but then
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Speaker 1: suddenly he can't move any of his limbs anymore, just
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Speaker 1: like that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the process of the hemorrhage and the brain
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Speaker 7: getting bigger over time. Initially it's small, and then as
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Speaker 7: the bleeding increases and it starts affecting the brain more
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Speaker 7: and more, the blood itself is irritating the brain tissue,
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Speaker 7: which causes the brain to swell. And when the brain's swelling,
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Speaker 7: it's starting to compromise those functions of your body that
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Speaker 7: the brain controls, like your movement and your speech and
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Speaker 7: everything like that, and puts you into a coma. Thankfully,
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Speaker 7: our brainstem, which covered our brainstem which handles heart rate
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Speaker 7: and lungs, is more protected, so your body is still
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Speaker 7: able to function even though the rest of your higher
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Speaker 7: function as compromised, and that gives surgeons the opportunity to
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Speaker 7: do an operation to save the individual.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you've seen the video, you've heard the story, and
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Speaker 1: now I want you to meet the man who goes
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Speaker 1: into the bushes in the dark, into the woods to
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Speaker 1: find an armed purp. He is putting on a brave
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Speaker 1: front tonight, but in that one moment, his life was changed,
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Speaker 1: and now he is looking at a very, very extensive
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Speaker 1: and complicated a complex surgery called a tracheal re section,
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Speaker 1: joining me along with his fiance, Stefania Pumphrey. Deputy Dalton Swanger, Deputy,
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Speaker 1: thank you for.
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Speaker 8: Being with us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Man, Deputy Swanger, you're a medical miracle. When I learned
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Speaker 1: about what happened to you by chance meeting with your sister,
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Speaker 1: I was floored. I mean, I know you're presenting a
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Speaker 1: certain front tonight on TV, but I also learned a
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Speaker 1: little bit of what you've been through and what you're facing. Deputy.
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Speaker 1: What can you remember that night that changed your life forever?
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Speaker 2: So my partner, now Kursher, we were working patrol. I
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Speaker 2: had Opos TV crewing me that evening and we hear
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Speaker 2: a shots fired call come out behead of the massations.
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Speaker 2: So we ended up canceling the other an it's going
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Speaker 2: to that call, because we were close. And we got
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Speaker 2: to the call and we met with the complainants and
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Speaker 2: they seemed, you know, they were very startled and stressed.
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Speaker 2: And then we went to the woodline where the alleged
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Speaker 2: suspect was. When I started, you know, announcing and see
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Speaker 2: what was wrong, we were met by very aggressive virtle responses.
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Speaker 8: You see, you know, I could tell something was wrong.
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Speaker 2: He was very emotionally elevated, extremely just you know, through
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Speaker 2: the roof and everything, trying to talk to him, try
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Speaker 2: and get better, saying it's so dark that night, and
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Speaker 2: you can't really tell a TV because they use a
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Speaker 2: night vision, but it was just pitch dark. And so
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Speaker 2: we eventually go in the woods because if our recall
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Speaker 2: r actually there was a phoenix and so we couldn't
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Speaker 2: really see from that angle. So we go down a
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Speaker 2: hill into the woods and once we get the woods,
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Speaker 2: we begin staying something about a three fifty seven madium.
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Speaker 8: So we you know, that's when I turned my.
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Speaker 2: Light off, because you don't want to paint yourself as
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Speaker 2: a target when you're in the woods. And I thought
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Speaker 2: I was behind the tree. I was obviously he mistaking
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Speaker 2: and I started hearing things winding around us, and when
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Speaker 2: that happens the one of the folks. Next, I remember
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Speaker 2: just being there trying and I see a silhouette that
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Speaker 2: I'm in front of, like a kandescent life And the
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Speaker 2: next thing I know, it's like the green firework just
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Speaker 2: exploded in my face. It's the best way I can
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Speaker 2: describe it. Just looked like a green starburst were the
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Speaker 2: most overwhelming pain in the top of my head, and
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Speaker 2: my entire body locks up, and I'm blackout for what
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Speaker 2: felt like a split second, and I'm on the ground
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Speaker 2: and my entire body I can't belave it no matter
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Speaker 2: how hard I try. My body's in this slock. It's
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Speaker 2: like an entire body cramp amos. And I remember thinking
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Speaker 2: I didn't know if I was shot. I didn't know
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Speaker 2: what happened. And I remember thinking I was trying to
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Speaker 2: get my rifle up because I was terrified if I
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Speaker 2: hadn't been shot, Like what if he was advancing once
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Speaker 2: he was getting ready to finish the job, and I
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Speaker 2: was panicking and just trying to raise my rifle and
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Speaker 2: just see Casey was coming. A few moments later, my partner,
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Speaker 2: Kercher walks over and he asked me if I can
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Speaker 2: get up, and you know, I said, and he takes
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Speaker 2: in my hand and I remember Bristeman's hand as far
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Speaker 2: as I possibly could. And at this point, my body's
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Speaker 2: beginning to life. Winson up and he begins dragging me
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Speaker 2: out of the woods. And I remember feeling that as
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Speaker 2: I'm geting drug out of the woods, and I feel
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Speaker 2: something's running over my head.
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Speaker 8: I'm still you know, something pouring over my head. I say,
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Speaker 8: someone was pouring water on my head.
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Speaker 9: And so as I'm being drugged out of the woods,
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Speaker 9: hold on, just a moment, just a moment with me, guys,
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Speaker 9: is Deputy Dalton Swinger, Nots County Sheriff's Office, who was
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Speaker 9: putting on a brave front tonight, but he is awaiting
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Speaker 9: immediate and necessary life saving surgery.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what his friend and fellow
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Speaker 1: deputy Matt Kirchner said.
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Speaker 10: I love the Rocky drew in it and art. I
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Speaker 10: didn't realize that a first, because I thought it was
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Speaker 10: just a rocket and around.
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Speaker 7: I heard das Swinger.
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Speaker 1: And straight out to Deputy Dalton Swanger's partner, Deputy Matthew Kirschner,
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Speaker 1: his former partner Deputy Kirchner, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: When I saw that video from w ATE, it was
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Speaker 1: the Knox County Court video of you testifying at a
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing, my chest just seized up, my throat just
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Speaker 1: felt like I swallowed a lump of coal. At first
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a rock hitting the ground. A
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Speaker 1: few seconds later I heard my partner groaning. I saw
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Speaker 1: him lying on the ground. What happened from your perspective
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Speaker 1: that night, Deputy Kirchner.
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Speaker 10: Uh, during the Originally, when I first happened, I got
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Speaker 10: hit with a rock myself, and I knew that he
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Speaker 10: was throwing rocks. Hit me in the arm. But the
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Speaker 10: next one I thought was just a rock coming through
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Speaker 10: the woods, and I thought I hit the ground. But
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Speaker 10: if you said like I said before, it was I
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Speaker 10: heard Dalton gasping for air, and so I turned around.
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Speaker 10: I saw him on the ground. I asked him if
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Speaker 10: he could get up. I don't even remember if he
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Speaker 10: responded or not. My initial thing was to get him
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Speaker 10: out of there. I grabbed his hand and I took
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Speaker 10: him out of the danger zone as fast as I could.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I want to show you, believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: video from what happened that night, and here is that video.
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Speaker 1: This is from our friends from Peacock on Patrol Live.
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Speaker 1: Now you see the fellow deputy's looking for Swanger and
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Speaker 1: dragging him out. He came out stunned, bleeding and at
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Speaker 1: first thought he could stand. He's trying trying to stand up,
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Speaker 1: trying to stand up, and then he can't do it.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Deputy Swanger? This is from our friends
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Speaker 1: from Peacock on Patrol Live.
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Speaker 3: Knox County was no stranger to the public eye, making
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Speaker 3: periodic appearances on Patrol Live. But what started as another
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Speaker 3: routine shift for Dalgenswinger turned into a violent ordeal, one
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Speaker 3: that would send shockwaves through the Knox County Sheriff's Office.
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Speaker 1: Deputy Dalton Swanger is joining us tonight and in a
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Speaker 1: few moments I'm going to publicize he did not ask
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Speaker 1: for this. I asked for it his GoFundMe. We send
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Speaker 1: our police, our law enforcement out every day. We don't
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Speaker 1: think about it. We just call nine one one or
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Speaker 1: we report an accident. We don't think about what's happening
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Speaker 1: with them protecting us. We take it for granted until
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Speaker 1: someone like Swinger and I'd like to report Deputy Matthew
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Speaker 1: Kirschner has now had his own incident and is about
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Speaker 1: to face surgery from an on the job injury. Every
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Speaker 1: day we ask them to put their lives on the line,
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Speaker 1: and they go to work every morning not knowing whether
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Speaker 1: they'll come home. I mean to use step Stefania Pumphrey.
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Speaker 1: It must be excruciating seeing him go out the door
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Speaker 1: every morning and never knowing will he come home.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, it was something that I did take for granted
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Speaker 11: as well, and this has changed our lives and changed
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Speaker 11: our perspective on it.
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Speaker 1: Guys. She is, like her fiance Depputy Swinger, extremely humble.
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Speaker 1: They would never ask for anything. But I want you
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Speaker 1: to learn about how Stefania finds out what has happened
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Speaker 1: to Dalton.
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Speaker 4: While still on Zeene after being injured, Dalton seems all right.
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Speaker 4: His girlfriend sees everything live on TV and calls Dalton
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Speaker 4: while he is in the ambulance. They talk for him
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Speaker 4: in it and she meets him at the emergency room.
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Speaker 4: Dalton's condition worsens on the way to the hospital and
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Speaker 4: he's admitted into ICU at the University of Tennessee Medical Center,
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Speaker 4: where he ends up on a ventilator in a coma.
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Speaker 1: A doctor at Kendel Crowns what is a ventilator? Explain?
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Speaker 7: A ventilator is a machine that basically breathes for you
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Speaker 7: when you have had trauma or something like that and
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Speaker 7: go into a coma and it's potential that your brain
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Speaker 7: shuts off your respiratory drive and you're no longer are breathing.
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Speaker 7: The machine itself will breathe for you. They place a
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Speaker 7: tube down your throat that goes into your trachia and
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Speaker 7: then forces oxygen in, keeping your body full of oxygen,
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Speaker 7: essentially keeping you alive.
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Speaker 1: Stefania Pumphrey joining us along with Deputy Dalton Swanger and
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Speaker 1: Deputy Matthew Kirchner. Stefania, tell me about that night when
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Speaker 1: you learned Dalton was headed to the ICU.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, so I watched her lives.
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Speaker 11: With everybody else, and when I saw the blood start
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Speaker 11: pouring out of his head, I called him. It was
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Speaker 11: as he was going end of the seizure and we
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Speaker 11: didn't know, but he told me how to be scared
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Speaker 11: and that he loved me. And that was the last
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Speaker 11: I heard until I got to the hospital, and it
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Speaker 11: was hours until his captain called me and said that
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Speaker 11: he had actually gone into a grandmall' sezure for over
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Speaker 11: an hour.
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Speaker 8: We don't know if he's going to be okay, and
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Speaker 8: you need to.
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Speaker 11: For bears, We're going to get you back here to
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Speaker 11: see him as soon as possible.
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Speaker 1: Wait, let me says to Fini again. Whoa wa, whoa
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Speaker 1: whoa what? Okay, I don't need the victory sign right now.
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Speaker 1: I need to get back there.
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Speaker 10: You are.
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Speaker 1: Okay. They told you he's having a grandma seizure and
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Speaker 1: they don't know if he's going to make it. He
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Speaker 1: was just talking on the phone, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 11: The last I heard was that he had totally he
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Speaker 11: loved me and not to be scared. And then and
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Speaker 11: then he sees after we got off the phone, and
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Speaker 11: I found out when I got.
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Speaker 8: To the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This is like everyone's worst nightmare,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm so glad you're with us tonight
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Speaker 1: because we need you. What is the grandma seizure?
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Speaker 7: So grand all seizure is a large seizure where the
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Speaker 7: entire bodies involved. The whole body shakes the person that
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Speaker 7: basically is no longer able to know what's going on
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Speaker 7: in their surroundings. They are essentially everything's shut off and
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Speaker 7: they're seizing, which is unlike an absence seizure, where it's
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Speaker 7: kind of a mild seizure where they may be a
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Speaker 7: little dazed or confused, but they're still able to breathe
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Speaker 7: and function, whereas a Grandma seizure is a is a
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Speaker 7: major seizure that affects the entire body and can actually
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Speaker 7: put a person into an arrhythmia and cause their death.
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Speaker 1: Deputy Swinger is joined by fiance Stefania Pumphrey Stefania. So
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Speaker 1: when you get to the hospital, that's when you learn
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Speaker 1: he had gone into grandmall seizures.
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Speaker 11: Yes, it was a couple hours still before I learned.
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Speaker 11: I had to wait for a little bit. But as
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Speaker 11: Captain called me a couple hours after I got to
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Speaker 11: the hospital and told me that had him too the
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Speaker 11: seizure and we didn't know much information and if he
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Speaker 11: was going to be okay, and that I need to
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Speaker 11: prepare myself and that they're gonna bring me back to
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Speaker 11: see him soon.
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Speaker 1: When you saw him, Stefan, yeah, describe what you saw.
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Speaker 8: He was still shaking a little bit and he wasn't.
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Speaker 8: He wasn't cleaned up at all, so he was he
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Speaker 8: was covered in blood still, and he just didn't look
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Speaker 8: like himself. You know, I had just seen him, I
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Speaker 8: had just kissed him goodbye.
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Speaker 11: It was it was my.
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Speaker 8: Adulton, and and he just didn't look like him.
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Speaker 11: He had the breathing to even he was covered in blood,
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Speaker 11: and the trembling from the end of the seizure was
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Speaker 11: was I think the.
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Speaker 8: Worst part for it.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean.
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Speaker 11: He was still it looked to me like his body
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Speaker 11: was kind of shop I guess, just not right. And
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Speaker 11: when I got there, he was still shaking just a
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Speaker 11: little bit, like all his muscles were.
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Speaker 1: Just completely him was shaking his whole body.
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Speaker 8: All of him yet, his chest, to his shoulders, his neck, everything.
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Speaker 1: And at that point, was he already on a ventilator.
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Speaker 8: M yep, yeah he was. They had already sedated him
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Speaker 8: and tried to get the senior to stop.
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Speaker 11: And that moment was probably the hardest because I called
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Speaker 11: my parents, who my dad was also law enforcement, and
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Speaker 11: they come running it and my dad ran in his side,
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Speaker 11: my mom ran to mine, and so I was watching
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Speaker 11: the officer that raised me hould the hand of the
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Speaker 11: officer I loved, and none of us know he's going
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Speaker 11: to be okay, and that moment is really frozen in
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Speaker 11: time for me.
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Speaker 8: I'll never forget seeing him for the first time like that.
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Speaker 1: Did you try to talk to him? M?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we we all talked to him.
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Speaker 11: The doctor said that they're they're not sure how it works,
23:13
Speaker 11: but but that there's a good chance that he can
23:16
Speaker 11: still hear us, and so he said, talk to him
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Speaker 11: like he normally would, and so we all did.
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Speaker 8: We all did the whole time in the coma. Actually
23:27
Speaker 8: we just we talked to him all all week.
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Speaker 1: What did you say?
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Speaker 8: I told him I loved him, and and I told
23:35
Speaker 8: him I was trying not to be scared like he
23:37
Speaker 8: told me to. I told him it was going to
23:40
Speaker 8: be okay no.
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Speaker 11: Matter what happened, and and that if he needed whatever
23:45
Speaker 11: he needed in the moment, we were gonna we.
23:48
Speaker 2: Were going to do.
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Speaker 8: I wasn't going to leave aside, we were going to
23:50
Speaker 8: stay with him. He had everybody here.
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Speaker 11: I just wanted him to know that he wasn't alone
23:57
Speaker 11: and that and that we were here and we were
23:59
Speaker 11: going to do anything we could or him.
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Speaker 1: Did he give any sign of response, not.
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Speaker 8: Not until later in the coma in the week, but
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Speaker 8: for the first three days now.
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Speaker 1: Deputy Swinger, did you hear her?
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Speaker 2: So that is one of the biggest things I think
24:22
Speaker 2: people misconceived about commas and stuff, is like you do here,
24:27
Speaker 2: and so that was just by far the most terrifying
24:31
Speaker 2: and dramatic part of this for me is you're almost
24:35
Speaker 2: in like a dream like state, and so I would
24:38
Speaker 2: absolutely hear people's voices speaking to me, but it was
24:41
Speaker 2: almost like I was changed in my own head and
24:44
Speaker 2: you're trying to perceive things like that I would, I
24:47
Speaker 2: assume to be that night. I whether it was a
24:50
Speaker 2: dream hallucination, I don't know, but I pictured being in
24:53
Speaker 2: a concrete allway surrounded by surgeons and I was I
24:57
Speaker 2: remember I was pouring sweat in this and heeding as
25:01
Speaker 2: much as I could to breathe. And I remember just
25:04
Speaker 2: visualizing another guy on my shift telling me you can live.
25:07
Speaker 2: You just have to be breathing. You have to keep breathing,
25:10
Speaker 2: like you can't stop breathing or you die. And you
25:13
Speaker 2: know that that was really traumatics through the colma. Absolutely,
25:18
Speaker 2: you know, I heard people talking to me constantly. I
25:21
Speaker 2: wanted to respond, I wanted to say stuff, but it's
25:24
Speaker 2: like you're just trapped in in prison of your ownhead.
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Speaker 1: Deputy Swanger, you have answered a question for me that
25:30
Speaker 1: I've asked since twenty sixteen. I always have wondered whether
25:35
Speaker 1: my dad could hear me when I was talking to
25:39
Speaker 1: him right before he died. And I'm taking great comfort
25:44
Speaker 1: that you could actually hear Stefania. But you said that
25:49
Speaker 1: was the worst part. Why was it the worst part
25:52
Speaker 1: if you could hear her?
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Speaker 2: So the parts that the hard part was because you're
25:58
Speaker 2: so confused. And last thing, you have no perception of
26:02
Speaker 2: time in a coma, and I would hear some people
26:05
Speaker 2: would be like, what was telling me goodbye? And not
26:08
Speaker 2: to get too far in the wings on this, but
26:12
Speaker 2: I've lost one of my partners and years of back
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Speaker 2: that was killed on a call and I spoke to
26:20
Speaker 2: him when he was on a ventilayer and stuff. And
26:24
Speaker 2: you hear these people, some of which it sounds like
26:28
Speaker 2: they're telling you goodbye and you just want to spring.
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Speaker 8: Back and them like, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving.
26:33
Speaker 8: I'm not going to die, but you can't.
26:35
Speaker 2: And you hear these people and they're rubbing their shoulder
26:38
Speaker 2: and they're telling you it's okay. You just got to relax,
26:42
Speaker 2: And it's hard to explain to someone who's not been
26:45
Speaker 2: in that situation. That's a it's a horrific thing when
26:48
Speaker 2: the people you love and are surrounded by and telling
26:51
Speaker 2: you goodbye and you want to respond so badly, but
26:54
Speaker 2: all you can do is hear their words in despair
26:57
Speaker 2: and how hurt they are, and you want to comfort them.
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Speaker 10: That they can and that.
27:02
Speaker 2: That was a really terrifying moment for me. But the
27:05
Speaker 2: moments I did have that we're really comporting with Sefami,
27:08
Speaker 2: I was like to hear her. She's constantly saying I'm here,
27:13
Speaker 2: I'm here, I mean, and so as alone as I
27:15
Speaker 2: was in my head in all these terrific just traumatic hallucinations, nightmatters,
27:20
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, it felt really nice
27:23
Speaker 2: to hear her say I'm here.
27:24
Speaker 3: Sometimes, responding to reports of gunfire, Deputy Swinger entered a
27:28
Speaker 3: wooded area in pursuit of an armed suspect. Under the
27:31
Speaker 3: cover of darkness. He disappeared into the trees, unaware that
27:35
Speaker 3: within moments his life would be in danger.
27:39
Speaker 1: After everything that we have seen and her tonight, this
27:43
Speaker 1: is a miracle, A miracle that Deputy Dalton Swanger is alive,
27:52
Speaker 1: A miracle that his partner, Deputy Matthew Kirscher is alive,
27:56
Speaker 1: who has now had his own injury. Deputy Kirchner, what
28:04
Speaker 1: was going through your mind as you see Dalton falling?
28:10
Speaker 1: He can't stand up. You guys are dragging him away.
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Speaker 10: I was, I was in shock, but I was in
28:18
Speaker 10: I was in survival, survival mode at that point point
28:23
Speaker 10: when I saw him fall. I mean why I didn't
28:25
Speaker 10: see him fall, but when I realized he fell and
28:27
Speaker 10: he was on the ground, getting him out of there
28:29
Speaker 10: was my number one thing. And the hardest part for
28:33
Speaker 10: me on this whole thing is after we drug him
28:35
Speaker 10: out and I had to leave him with a fellow
28:39
Speaker 10: deputy instead of tending to him and that he's my
28:44
Speaker 10: best friend. So it really killed me seeing him like that.
28:49
Speaker 1: We're showing video right now from our friends at Peacock's
28:52
Speaker 1: on Patrol Live. I've swung or trying to stand there,
28:55
Speaker 1: he goes, there, he goes. They can't do it. They
28:59
Speaker 1: have to literally drag him away and all over what
29:06
Speaker 1: Dave MATC Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave this was all
29:14
Speaker 1: about a SHOT's fired. They go out there and risk
29:19
Speaker 1: their lives over.
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Speaker 4: What Dave mac nanthy, it was actually a domestic argument
29:24
Speaker 4: between Hensley and his girlfriend. That's what they were. The
29:28
Speaker 4: shots fired call domestic violence. They didn't know exactly what
29:33
Speaker 4: was on tap for them when they got there, but
29:35
Speaker 4: that's actually what was going on. Hensley was drunk and
29:39
Speaker 4: he smacked his girlfriend and they called nine to one one.
29:43
Speaker 4: That's what began all of this.
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Speaker 1: You know, I just to you, w Matthew Kushner. I
29:49
Speaker 1: don't think people get it, And you know what, Kirshner,
29:52
Speaker 1: I'm glad they don't get it, because if they did
29:56
Speaker 1: get it, it would mean that they're exposed to crime
29:59
Speaker 1: every like we are. And I don't want that for
30:03
Speaker 1: other people. I want them to live in a bubble. Right,
30:07
Speaker 1: So people like you and Swanger and me and so
30:11
Speaker 1: many other people, we hear it for them, right, Yes,
30:18
Speaker 1: But when you go out on something as simple as
30:22
Speaker 1: a domestic or should be simple, but very rarely is
30:25
Speaker 1: it simple, you can end up dead, Dad kurtsher over what.
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Speaker 10: Well, Unfortunately, domestics are like the most dangerous calls you
30:39
Speaker 10: could possibly go on. The emotion levels are always higher
30:44
Speaker 10: when people are fighting with the people they love. We
30:47
Speaker 10: didn't know that's what we were dealing with. We just
30:50
Speaker 10: thought we were dealing with somebody that was had shot
30:52
Speaker 10: off some rounds and clearly was very intoxicated. Way he
30:58
Speaker 10: was talking and yelling at us honestly had no point
31:01
Speaker 10: that I expect rocks to be thrown at us. After
31:05
Speaker 10: I got struck and then Dalton got struck and the
31:09
Speaker 10: way he was out, I just never imagined that. In
31:14
Speaker 10: every scenario I've been doing this for twenty seven years,
31:17
Speaker 10: in every scenario I could play back in my head,
31:20
Speaker 10: rock being hit in the head would be the last
31:22
Speaker 10: one that I would think of.
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Speaker 1: It has been described as a thud. You heard a thud,
31:30
Speaker 1: and what that was was this huge rock being slammed
31:35
Speaker 1: into Dalton's head. Described that sound.
31:40
Speaker 10: It It actually sounded like a huge rock hitting the
31:44
Speaker 10: ground like a you know, it's just a sound that
31:49
Speaker 10: it didn't bounce or anything. It just stuck. And that
31:53
Speaker 10: sound was it hitting Dalton's head.
31:57
Speaker 1: And when I say for what for what? All this for?
32:01
Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a domestic ament. On plenty of
32:03
Speaker 1: domestics where the woman was practically killed all right. This
32:07
Speaker 1: guy had his bottom revote on a theft by shoplifting
32:12
Speaker 1: and fifteen hundred marijuana plants found in the home, and
32:17
Speaker 1: here he is hiding in the bushes. You think he's armed,
32:21
Speaker 1: and he attacks Swanger. That's why I'm saying a POC
32:26
Speaker 1: technical legal term. This should have already been behind bars.
32:30
Speaker 1: He's growing pot in his house for Pete's sake, according
32:34
Speaker 1: to charges manufacturing delivering drugs. Yeah, he should have already
32:40
Speaker 1: been in jail and then allegedly hits Swanger and lands
32:47
Speaker 1: him in a coma. I mean, Deputy Swinger, when you
32:56
Speaker 1: went out, what was in your mind if you can
32:59
Speaker 1: remember when you go into those bushes, I mean, you
33:02
Speaker 1: thought the guy might be armed, but you went into
33:05
Speaker 1: the bushes into the woods anyway.
33:08
Speaker 2: So it's a really chaotic thing and kind of has
33:11
Speaker 2: Dipping Herscher explained. You know, we're constantly trained to assess threats,
33:16
Speaker 2: and that's always what your mind is, especially in a
33:18
Speaker 2: very vulnerable moment like that when you can't see, you're
33:21
Speaker 2: an unfamiliar territory of the woods are super hard to navigating.
33:24
Speaker 8: You don't know if you're going to step in, and
33:26
Speaker 8: he did it.
33:27
Speaker 2: The ground trip over a branch, get caught on the leads,
33:29
Speaker 2: so you're trying to navigate the drain. You're trying to
33:33
Speaker 2: see the threat, but it's so dark you can't turn
33:35
Speaker 2: on your light because they din't give a beacon if
33:37
Speaker 2: he does have a gun to where he could shoot,
33:39
Speaker 2: and if I don't, if I recall correctly, I believe
33:42
Speaker 2: you say. He even taunts us to turn our lights
33:44
Speaker 2: back on. So that's making you think, like, oh, he
33:46
Speaker 2: could be wanting to shoot. And then the way you
33:48
Speaker 2: never don't think. I never until this perceive was a
33:52
Speaker 2: threat coming from above on top of your head. And
33:55
Speaker 2: so that is you know, you're scanning for like a
33:57
Speaker 2: three sixty round you but you never picture something coming
34:01
Speaker 2: down and hitting your head. So it was just just
34:05
Speaker 2: like every other call, you're trying to assess the threat
34:07
Speaker 2: and what's going on there. But in this particular situation,
34:11
Speaker 2: we were in a complete starfus.
34:14
Speaker 4: A prayer vigil is held for Dalton while he's in
34:16
Speaker 4: the ICU. Organized by the community, the prayer vigil was
34:20
Speaker 4: held at the UT Medical Center in an effort to
34:23
Speaker 4: show support for Dalton and his family.
34:26
Speaker 1: Suddenly chaos.
34:27
Speaker 3: Deputy Swinger is struck in the head with a large rock,
34:30
Speaker 3: he collapses to the ground. In ripping footage, his fellow
34:34
Speaker 3: deputies are seen dragging into safety a desperate race against
34:37
Speaker 3: time to save one of their.
34:39
Speaker 1: Own, while he is putting on a brave face. Tonight
34:43
Speaker 1: along with fiance Stefania Pomphrey, he is facing very comprehensive
34:48
Speaker 1: and complex surgery.
34:50
Speaker 4: Listen Dalton now suffers complications that stem from being on
34:55
Speaker 4: the ventilator while in a coma trachyll stenosis. This narrow
35:00
Speaker 4: of the trachea could be from Dalton having to be
35:02
Speaker 4: forcefully intubated while he was having seizures, or possibly by
35:06
Speaker 4: the breathing tube. He has already had three unsuccessful surgeries
35:10
Speaker 4: and the next surgery he faces is very dangerous and
35:13
Speaker 4: has an extremely long recovery time, and that is only
35:16
Speaker 4: after they can find a hospital with a highly specialized
35:19
Speaker 4: group known as a Complex Airway team.
35:23
Speaker 1: A Complex Airway Team, Doctor Killer Crowns.
35:27
Speaker 7: What is that so in this situation where the individual
35:32
Speaker 7: or the officer sorry has a post intubation syndrome where
35:36
Speaker 7: he's basically the tissue of his trachea was damaged from
35:39
Speaker 7: the intubation and it's basically closing up and making his
35:43
Speaker 7: airway smaller and smaller and smaller. They have to do
35:46
Speaker 7: something to open that back up so he can breathe properly.
35:50
Speaker 7: A complex airway team is one that's going to probably
35:54
Speaker 7: take a pararion.
35:57
Speaker 1: Crowns, crowns, crowns. I know in Milescale English, you had
36:01
Speaker 1: the teacher write a sentence in dissected. Here's the verb,
36:05
Speaker 1: here's the noun, here's the adjective average, Okay, slow it
36:08
Speaker 1: down then all right? No problem was also very bad
36:14
Speaker 1: when you have to have it, When you have to
36:18
Speaker 1: have the ventilator, it goes down your track, your trich
36:22
Speaker 1: you right here, I think, okay, And when you have
36:26
Speaker 1: the ventilator forced down your trichia, it damages the trichia
36:31
Speaker 1: or can damage the trich you. So yes, what would
36:35
Speaker 1: that damage be? For instance, with swinger, what is the damage?
36:39
Speaker 1: How bad can it be?
36:42
Speaker 7: So your mucoastal membranes like your mouth are very very
36:46
Speaker 7: easily disrupted or damage, And you're pushing this tube into
36:49
Speaker 7: the throw while someone's seizing, and that damage can be
36:53
Speaker 7: a rubbing away of the mucoastal lining, basically making an
36:56
Speaker 7: ulcer and ulceration, and he has this tube in it
37:00
Speaker 7: throat for a period of time and that ulceration can't heal.
37:03
Speaker 7: So how it heals is by scarring, and the scarring
37:06
Speaker 7: itself can become so bad that it will decrease the
37:09
Speaker 7: airway and that is what has happened to the officers.
37:12
Speaker 7: His scarring from the intubation has decreased his airway space,
37:16
Speaker 7: making it hard for him to breathe. And what they're
37:19
Speaker 7: going to have to do is take a piece of
37:21
Speaker 7: his trachea out and try and attach the unaffected areas
37:25
Speaker 7: of his trachea back together, which is called an anastmosis,
37:29
Speaker 7: or potentially do a reconstruction where they use Carlage graphs
37:35
Speaker 7: or synthetic material to try and rebuild the area.
37:45
Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, a deputy Dogg and Swanger
37:55
Speaker 1: and Stefania. You may need to help him because I
37:58
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to tell me to try.
38:01
Speaker 1: When you think about the fact you've already had three
38:06
Speaker 1: very complex surgeries and now you have this ahead of you,
38:14
Speaker 1: how are you holding up?
38:17
Speaker 2: It's extremely mentally daunting, because you know, we were at
38:21
Speaker 2: a point where you're like, oh, you know the TBI
38:24
Speaker 2: out received GCS three, which is the most severe classification
38:27
Speaker 2: you can get. I was like out of the frying pan,
38:31
Speaker 2: but now it feels like I'm kind of in the
38:33
Speaker 2: fire it. So it is extremely mentally daunting thinking of
38:38
Speaker 2: them cutting a portion of your airway out. But you know,
38:42
Speaker 2: I've relied heavily in my faith, and you know, relied
38:46
Speaker 2: heavily on God for this, and that's problem and drinking Stevania.
38:50
Speaker 1: I understand that there are only a few hospitals that
38:54
Speaker 1: perform this is it because it's very dangerous and complex.
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Speaker 11: His is a unique case because of how quickly the
39:04
Speaker 11: scar tissue is growing again. You're supposed to the surgeries
39:10
Speaker 11: that he had that were unsuccessful, they're supposed to last
39:13
Speaker 11: one to two months if they don't fix the problem,
39:17
Speaker 11: and his were lasting maybe a week where he could
39:21
Speaker 11: breathe slightly easier, and then he would just feel like
39:25
Speaker 11: he was suffocating again and it would close up further.
39:29
Speaker 11: So he's a pretty unique case. And it's also really
39:32
Speaker 11: close to his vote, So it's just more complex than
39:37
Speaker 11: what a normal caiece would be.
39:38
Speaker 1: When it's very close to.
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Speaker 10: Is what.
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Speaker 8: Vocal courts. It's two centimeters below, so.
39:45
Speaker 1: If anything goes wrong, he won't be able to speak.
39:49
Speaker 1: W Kurtscher. I understand that since Swanger incident, you had
39:59
Speaker 1: a head on Collis with a fleeting suspect.
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Speaker 10: Is that right, yes, ma'am. I was a passenger of
40:08
Speaker 10: my trope bar with my training was driving. Yes.
40:11
Speaker 1: And you are facing an upcoming surgery as well.
40:16
Speaker 10: I've had three surgeries so far and I have a
40:22
Speaker 10: very large surgery coming up on October thirtieth. What is
40:26
Speaker 10: the surgery? My injury was a shattered ankle. I had
40:31
Speaker 10: all three bones in the ankle shattered, but none of
40:36
Speaker 10: the healing. None of the bones are healing, and after
40:40
Speaker 10: several consultations and recommendation, my ankles to be amputated on
40:47
Speaker 10: the thirtieth.
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Speaker 1: What is your frame of mind, Deputy Kursher.
40:57
Speaker 10: It's an emotional roller coaster. I am trying to imagine
41:01
Speaker 10: life without a foot. It's something that I never could imagine.
41:06
Speaker 10: My pain is unbearable every single day of It's a
41:12
Speaker 10: relief to know that that pain will be gone. But
41:14
Speaker 10: I'm very sad that I'm losing my foot, and I
41:18
Speaker 10: wish there was something else that could be done. But
41:20
Speaker 10: doesn't seem like that's possible.
41:23
Speaker 1: When you joined the force, Kirchner, did you ever imagine
41:29
Speaker 1: this would happen?
41:33
Speaker 10: No, I don't think anybody ever joins the force thinking
41:35
Speaker 10: something's going to happen. You know, I went twenty seven
41:38
Speaker 10: years before it happened. I've been very lucky. I'm blessed.
41:47
Speaker 10: The agency that I work for has been fantastic, and
41:51
Speaker 10: everybody around me has been great. But I never thought
41:54
Speaker 10: that this would happen. Never.
41:57
Speaker 1: Deputy Kirschner facing his own serious surgery, the amputation from
42:02
Speaker 1: the ankle down after a head on collision with a
42:05
Speaker 1: fleeing suspect. I'm donating to his GoFundMe and if you
42:11
Speaker 1: feel so moved, it's on go fundme. Blue Line Tennessee
42:15
Speaker 1: Ink Support Knox County Deputy Matthew Matt Kirchner k I
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Speaker 1: R C H N E R. He would never ask
42:24
Speaker 1: for it on his own. I we researched it. He
42:28
Speaker 1: did not ask us to do this. To Deputy Dalton Swinger,
42:38
Speaker 1: You're facing a life threatening, extensive and complex surgery. What
42:45
Speaker 1: is your frame of mind?
42:50
Speaker 8: The way I'm getting it, the way I'm encroaching it.
42:54
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm relied very heavily in my face,
42:56
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to you it's a positive thing that
42:59
Speaker 2: God's given me a chance to see like what I'm
43:01
Speaker 2: made of and Albasilia, I can be and I will
43:07
Speaker 2: approach this in the absolute mindset that as painful and
43:10
Speaker 2: growing as this is, being allowed from underneath it, do
43:13
Speaker 2: whatever it.
43:14
Speaker 8: Takes to get back to having a badge on the chifs.
43:17
Speaker 2: And so it's terrifying, but I know, for landma heart,
43:22
Speaker 2: no matter what happens and how bad it iss, I
43:25
Speaker 2: want to get back to doing all love Swinger.
43:30
Speaker 1: One more thing. You were telling me that when you
43:33
Speaker 1: were in a coma, or when you're about to go
43:36
Speaker 1: into a coma, you were hearing I believe you said
43:41
Speaker 1: a fellow deputy. I don't know if it was real,
43:44
Speaker 1: if it was in your mind telling you you have
43:47
Speaker 1: to keep breathing, listen, how did you make yourself keep breathing?
43:56
Speaker 10: And the visualization.
43:57
Speaker 2: I was in a concrete hallway and it was almost
43:59
Speaker 2: like a or maybe it's like it was like flickering lights,
44:02
Speaker 2: and I was surrounded by just you know, gray man surgeons.
44:05
Speaker 8: Kind of without a face.
44:07
Speaker 2: And I was in this hospital bit and I remember
44:09
Speaker 2: just oring sweat, and there's a death you saying you
44:12
Speaker 2: can live, you can do this, but you have to
44:15
Speaker 2: keep breathing or you will die. So I put in
44:19
Speaker 2: that visualization I was having, whether it was a dream hallucination,
44:23
Speaker 2: I just put all of them, I as in the
44:25
Speaker 2: basket of if I can just keep breathing, I'll make
44:27
Speaker 2: it out of this. So I just remembered sitting in
44:29
Speaker 2: that hallucination going and I just did that over and
44:32
Speaker 2: over for what felt like an attorney in that you know,
44:36
Speaker 2: hallucinated halway or a dream like halway.
44:39
Speaker 1: For those of you that are listening or watching tonight. Again,
44:44
Speaker 1: they did not ask for this. We researched it and
44:47
Speaker 1: found it. Please go to his GoFundMe. We are support
44:52
Speaker 1: Deputy Dalton Swanger and family. Both of these deputies have
44:59
Speaker 1: a very very long row to Hoe and I want
45:09
Speaker 1: both of them to know how much you mean to us,
45:14
Speaker 1: to all of us. We go about our days assuming
45:19
Speaker 1: you're there, when the truth is, if you weren't there,
45:27
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here. Nobody would be protecting us, Nobody
45:32
Speaker 1: would be catching the bag eyes and putting them away
45:35
Speaker 1: from us and away from our children. But you do
45:40
Speaker 1: that day and night, with no thought of your own safety.
45:45
Speaker 1: And in addition to the Gofundmes well, you're bringing down
45:50
Speaker 1: a power much more powerful. We are calling on a
45:53
Speaker 1: power much greater than a dollar bill. You will both
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Speaker 1: be in our prayers until you are well. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for everyone joining us tonight, and now we stop to
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Speaker 1: remember an American hero officer, Brandon paul A. Storf of
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Speaker 1: Bay Saint Louis Police Department in Mississippi, just twenty three,
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Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty, survived by
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Speaker 1: a grieving mother and father Ian also in law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Siblings Lily Sophia, Giordana, Chloe and Andrew. American hero officer
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Speaker 1: Brandon paul Estorf. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,