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Ep. 331 - The Church’s Role in the Fight Against Human Trafficking · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Speaker 1: There was a big bust like five years ago in Irvine.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: They had trafficked prostitutes from Japan and they were in a really nice apartment complex.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: They had like eight or nine different apartments that the traffickers were renting out and it was basically a brothel in the middle of a middle upper class community.
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know Irvine, it's a nice community.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: There was a big bust this past week in.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Los.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: Angeles, where hundreds of people went down.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: But to your point, ray Tim Keller, he had said if you're helping suffering people but not calling out the forces that caused the suffering, you're not fully doing justice.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: So you're right, we have to take it a step further.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: Why is this happening?
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: Where is this happening?
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: What can I do to kind of be involved in this right?
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the church's role in the fight against human trafficking and I think that we have to start with, there's a responsibility to defend the oppressed.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: Do we recognize that?
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: All right now we can have a conversation where to move forward.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: Have a conversation where to move forward.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, friends, I do sing.
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am a singer.
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: Many have said I am a very good singer Not one.
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: But today, friends, I'm going to let someone sing instead of me about me.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: Mark's into it Knowledge.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh, mark's feeling.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: The vibe Acknowledge that new movie you learned recently.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: Here we go, here we go.
• 3:03
  Speaker 4: No superstition.
• 3:04
  Speaker 4: Is it IOI?
• 3:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, where did you get that Superstition?
• 3:07
  Speaker 4: Oh guys, is that AI?
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, when did you get that?
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: Compliments of Eric Hovind Boy that's good, isn't it good?
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is Oscar's jealous.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just concerned about our listenership.
• 3:22
  Speaker 5: No, seriously, I thought we're going to have trouble with copyright, but that's AI.
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: AI.
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  Speaker 3: No human being involved in this.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: Except you.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: You've got to set a prompt.
• 3:33
  Speaker 5: I did ruin it.
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: I added my voice in it, but yeah, I love myself.
• 3:39
  Speaker 5: Well, that was great, easy, easy.
• 3:40
  Speaker 5: You've been taking drugs this morning.
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, I have.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm serious, it's this weirdness.
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: It's still kind of coming and going.
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: I had a tooth issue, friends.
• 3:51
  Speaker 5: It's normal.
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: How can anyone tell the difference?
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, I had an abscess in my tooth which I had to look up to figure out what it was.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: But I went to the dentist.
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: He cut me open Great brother, by the way, yes, dr Lin, he's worked on your teeth, yes, ray, many times.
• 4:09
  Speaker 3: Uh, but yeah, cut me open, drilled into my tooth, drained it and then gave me antibiotics, and I hate antibiotics because the side effects, oh yeah, so I'm in my office before we came out.
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, we delayed recording by an hour because my brain just froze and, uh, I felt like I was in a dream world.
• 4:29
  Speaker 5: That's a horrible feeling, isn't it?
• 4:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely horrible.
• 4:32
  Speaker 5: So who counseled you to drink lots of water to wash it through Right?
• 4:36
  Speaker 4: comfort, thank you.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: Also dried grapes.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: Stop it, Dried grapes.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how good dried grapes are.
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: Man, raisin, raisin.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just out here raising awareness.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: That's terrible.
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  Speaker 4: D.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just out here raising awareness.
• 4:51
  Speaker 5: That's terrible, and Troy Cripes.
• 4:52
  Speaker 5: Anyway, I got to tell you guys I just got back from Cuba.
• 4:53
  Speaker 5: Will we notice a difference in you?
• 4:55
  Speaker 5: Are you better?
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man.
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: Seriously, I'll see if I make it through this thing.
• 4:59
  Speaker 3: Cuba, yeah, how was Cuba?
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: Cuba, oh goodness.
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: You know I had my preconceived ideas about Cuba.
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: You know, you hear communist and oppression and stuff.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: I think Ricky Ricardo, yeah, babaloo Lucy, yeah, and it's true, because there is that element.
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: But boy, the church is on fire there, really yeah.
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: So myself, brother Luis and Jose, who heads up some of our Spanish stuff in Colombia, we went and the Hunger.
• 5:31
  Speaker 5: So we have a Spanish channel and website.
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do Living.
• 5:35
  Speaker 5: Waters.
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: Español.
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: We're over like 416,000 subscribers now.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: If you speak Spanish, it is such a great channel.
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, over 50 million views.
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: Man, it's crazy.
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: It's really good, but yeah.
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: So anyway, I got up and I was in tears.
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: They had a worship night the first night.
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: I was going to speak, but it was kind of in another area, but just hearing the fervor in their worship of the Lord, and so I was in tears over that.
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: And then I get up and I said I said, brothers and sisters, I just have to tell you that the church in Cuba is alive, the church in Cuba is powerful, the church in Cuba loves Jesus, and the place exploded.
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: I mean whew.
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: I was just like yeah, and I sensed they felt so loved that someone from the US would go there, because it's not easy, you have to get a special visa and most people just don't want to go there.
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: But I told them that the church in the United States loves you, we're standing behind you, we're with you.
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: And it's always good to actually go physically to places like this.
• 6:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, is that right, ray?
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: Let's not discuss that, Ray, but I was so refreshed and they want to take our training and the resources of our ministry and incorporate them into their seminaries over there.
• 7:01
  Speaker 5: Did you film any of it?
• 7:02
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well, can you give it to me and I can put it up behind the scenes for Living Waters TV.
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll have to give you some of that, yeah sell it to me.
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 7:10
  Speaker 5: Cuba.
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: I smoked so many cigars.
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's the first thing you think of when you think of Cuba.
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: That's where the absence came from.
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: So anyway, friends.
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: I'm back.
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: We will see how I survive this, because I am going in and out of weirdness.
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: But how I survive this because I am going in and out of weirdness but we're used to it Seriously, like anyone would know the difference.
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: We have a cool, classy comment this is from Ohio.
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: Hello brothers, the name I'm gonna use the name Jay just to protect their identity.
• 7:38
  Speaker 3: What?
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: Hello brothers, the name is Jay and I've truly been edified by this podcast and the Living Waters ministry I was struck by.
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: I was stuck at my parents' house just last year and the environment wasn't that good, to be honest with you guys Lots of yelling and fighting, but the worst of it was the absence of God All my life.
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: My parents were lukewarm in their faith, so I knew about Jesus to an extent.
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: Praise the Lord in their faith, so I knew about Jesus to an extent.
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: Praise the Lord, though.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: On the year 2020, god met me in this situation.
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: I was lost in my sin and it was utterly consuming me.
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: I was lazy as all could be and a lover of pornography.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: I was also a mad kid, but one day I have no idea how it got on my YouTube feed, but Ray's somewhat beautiful face what Wrong.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: You added that I don't know about the legitimacy of this email anymore.
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: Ray's somewhat beautiful face appeared on my feed and it was something to do with sin.
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: And, oh, it hit me down to the core.
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: After the video was over, I was weeping and realized my sin.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: That same moment I went to the Lord and asked for forgiveness, and now I'm saved from my sin.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: Oh man, it's wonderful.
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: Now I've moved in with my grandfather, who is a faithful man, and go to a scriptural church, and I'm really involved and even have the desire to be a bishop or elder, as described in Timothy.
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: So I appreciate all God has done through you men, and I'm grateful to be brothers with you all.
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: Keep up the good work and keep running the race that is set before us Much love and thanks to you all.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome.
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: And what was that guy's social security?
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: number Raise Beautiful Face.
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 9:21
  Speaker 5: AI, that'd be a nice, it's got to be AI.
• 9:22
  Speaker 5: That's the same something from 40 years ago.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: Ever since we started our ministry for the blind we.
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: This is something from 40 years ago Ever since we started our ministry for the blind.
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: We've been getting a lot of emails like this.
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: That'd be a nice email address RaiseBeautifulFacecom.
• 9:35
  Speaker 4: We should look into that.
• 9:36
  Speaker 4: All right, friends.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, was that Yale, yale.
• 9:39
  Speaker 5: He doesn't laugh so much.
• 9:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, cameraman.
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: Thank you, yale.
• 9:42
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• 9:45
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• 9:51
  Speaker 5: We wanted to do the billion dollar bill, but there's not enough room for the zeros.
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: I know we should go for.
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: He's going to be a trillionaire probably one day.
• 9:58
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• 10:01
  Speaker 3: Is it at that now?
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: Four more than 400 billion.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: That is insanity, Ray.
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: What would you do?
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: with that money?
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: Well, I think of them every time I use PayPal Because, ray, what would you do with that money?
• 10:08
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• 10:11
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• 10:15
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• 10:33
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• 10:40
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• 11:59
  Speaker 3: All right friends Today we're talking about the church's role in the fight against human trafficking.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: Guys, very few things make me as sick as this.
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: Um, what was the movie mark that was out the big?
• 12:15
  Speaker 5: sound of freedom ready.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: Sound of freedom.
• 12:18
  Speaker 5: Look race prepared you, you, uh encouraged me to go and see it, so I went by myself in the afternoon and watched it ah, you rolled your eyes out, right very, very.
• 12:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, bull Mize, there's a new one they put out same director.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: I think City of Dreams, Ooh.
• 12:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: Is that in the theaters?
• 12:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so pretty soon.
• 12:37
  Speaker 5: A lot of celebrities endorsed it, lots and lots of celebrities and I thought, as I was watching it wouldn't it be great if they could endorse a movie against abortion?
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Human trafficking.
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: That gets their sympathy, but abortion doesn't.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: That's so true.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I ended up going and seeing the movie and then I think I don't know if I mentioned on the podcast before, but I ended up seeing the guy in an airport.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: He was on one of Were we together, mark yeah we were together.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: That's right, you recognized, was it you?
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: No, you did.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: No, laura did, was it Laura?
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: Laura recognized me, okay, yeah yeah, that's right, and you were determined to give a track.
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: I think we were at the Ark or somewhere, I don't know.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah, he was on our plane and then we get off and he's in the airport.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: He's on man love the movie Powerful.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: Just appreciate what you do.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: Give him some tracks.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: Well, that's great, but yeah, but.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: But like I was saying, Was he nice to you.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: He was very nice.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: He was on the phone.
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I kicked him, as you should Shin kick.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm, I'm really glad we're talking about this, this.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: So this is an area for me that I've always probably similar to you and maybe everyone else.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Honestly, that just like wrenches my heart.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: I think part of the reasons why is having grown up experiencing sexual abuse and having a small understanding of what it's like to not have control over your own body or future.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: And I think one thing that we should start with is just recognizing the significance of the problem, because I think most of us thing that we should start with, just recognizing the significance of the problem, because I think Most of us think man, like slavery, which is human trafficking, is modern-day slavery.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Slavery is is probably still an issue here, but it's the trickling effects of a catastrophic past.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: But actually there are more slaves today than there were seized in Africa in the four centuries of the transatlantic slave trade.
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: I was going to bring the same thing up.
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: Why do we call it human trafficking when it's just slavery?
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: What's?
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: The reason for changing it.
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: And it's probably because we like to think as human beings.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: We have dealt with slavery.
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: That's a thing of the past.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: But it's not, it's here, it's because man's heart's wicked and evil.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Definitely, and I think another reason potentially is that slavery today looks a lot different, and so if we labeled it slavery, people would go well, wait a minute, no one's in change.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: It's not like outwardly open, it's hidden.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: We walk by potentially people who are being trafficked every day.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: We don't know, rather than like in transatlantic slave trade, it was very clear who the slaves were, and so there's more slaves today than in any other point in human history, which goes against the narrative that, like, somehow we're moving past it.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: There's 21, potentially 21 million people who are being human trafficked, who are basically slaves.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's so.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Slaves today are cheaper than they have been through all of human history.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Through human history, they say the average slave cost about $40,000.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Today, the average slave costs $90, $90 to enslave someone.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Uh, in the Netherlands.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, break that down.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: You go on the internet.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I have a girl, she's for sale $90.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Enslave someone in the Netherlands.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: So what does that mean?
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, break that down.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: What do you mean by that?
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: You go on the internet and sell it.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: I have a girl.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: She's for sale $90,.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: She's yours.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good point.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: So it's that they what it costs them to enslave a person.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, and that?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: So, going on that in the Netherlands they did a report to try to figure out how much the average person makes per human trafficked person slave $250,000 a year.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: In other words, there's significant money to gain here.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: And again, it's not just overseas 77% of people trafficked in the US are people of color.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: 48% are involved in adult prostitution or sent into.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: 40% is child prostitution, 14% is labor trafficking.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: The average age of someone trafficked at the beginning is between 12 and 14 years old.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And so I want to tell a story, because I think people are like how does this happen in the modern day?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And so I found this story of Chandra.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: She was a financial analyst in Indonesia and she was a Christian and she lost her job and was experiencing persecution in Indonesia over her faith.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: So she got online looking at more of a Christianized nation in her mind.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: This is early 2000.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: She finds an opportunity in Chicago in the United States, and so she applies for her visa.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: She works through a job recruiter which charges her $3,000.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: She's planning to come out to Chicago.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: She lands her first land is in jfk airport and the people that posed themselves as job recruiters were traffickers.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They met her in new york and they drugged her and put her into a brothel for years in new york.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: At one point a woman walks into the brothel and hands her a card in secrecy and chandra figures out a way to escape and she calls that woman.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: That woman worked for another person that was involved in sex slavery, so they just trafficked her.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: She goes into another trafficking ring and eventually escapes that as well, Ends up homeless on the streets in New York and meets a Christian who helps her get things in order and get document, because one of the things that they do is they take away your documentation.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Is this a book or a movie?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: She ended up starting a nonprofit organization.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So this has all been written out.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I think she has a book about it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: But anyways, long story short, she ends up getting on her feet, Christian woman, and starts a nonprofit organization helping people with sex trafficking and slavery.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: But the point is this happens every single day.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: It happens all around us.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Do we ever hear of people being prosecuted for this?
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: I don't hear of big rings of people being Well, like that movie, they have done busts.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: That's the aim.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: That was in South America, wasn't it?
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the huge industry in the US.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: There was a big bust like five years ago in Irvine.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: They had trafficked prostitutes from Japan and they were in a really nice apartment complex.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They had like eight or nine different apartments that the traffickers were renting out and it was basically a brothel in the middle of a middle upper class community.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know Irvine, it's a nice community.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: There was a big bus this past week in.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Los.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Angeles, where hundreds of people went down.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But to your point, ray, you know Tim Keller.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: He had said if you're helping suffering people but not calling out the forces that caused the suffering, you're not fully doing justice, right, so you're right.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Right, we have to take it a step further.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Why is this happening?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Where is this happening?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: What can I do to kind of be involved in this?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Right, we're talking about the church's role in the fight against human trafficking and I think that we have to start with.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: There's a responsibility to defend the oppressed.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Do we recognize that?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: All right, now we can have a conversation where to move forward.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mark, I'm so glad you highlighted that because you know we've talked about the pendulum, right, it's constantly swinging to either extreme and I think that because of the whole social justice movement and connection with wokeness, we just kind of act like we, as Christians, don't get involved in that stuff.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: That disgusts me it really does, yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: It's like someone hijacks something, twists it and then we just throw it overboard.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: That's insanity.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: We are the light of the world, we are the salt of the earth.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I mean we can't abdicate that and recognize our ability to have impact and effect.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: You know, and so yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: So I think first of all we need to recognize like this goes way back, because whether it's sex trafficking and that's kind of a part of you know our focus today, but whether it's that or human trafficking in general people taking human beings you know our focus today, but whether it's that or human trafficking in general people taking human beings this goes far back.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Exodus 21, 16,.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: That stops it, doesn't it?
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: That's it, that's right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and I mean, look in the law there are a lot of different prohibitions and many of them didn't include the death penalty.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: But those that did, you knew they were severe in the sight of God.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And so there is an abomination in Scripture that deals with kidnapping someone, taking someone, I mean, and you think of the horrors of that, you know.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I remember one time we were at a fair fair and I thought I had lost my daughters, summer and Julia, when they were little girls.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, you guys are dads, you understand that moment in time I'm like, and to me, the horror of a parent having had a child abducted for years and not knowing what's happened to them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I mean the daily nightmare of just not even being able to sleep, like thinking your child's out there and what's happening to them, and you know those cases you hear about.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Like someone 20 years later is found and escapes, like this lady, it's just, it's madness.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I remember sitting my girls down when they were younger and it wasn't just a one-time event where I said, listen, trafficking is very real.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I had to explain it at a very early time.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And then what to do in the midst of it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Because what do you do?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Right, in a spiritual sense, you raise your fist at God.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Where is God?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Why didn't God prevent this from happening?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: If God is loving and all powerful, why do the innocent suffer?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And I remember walking through with my girls, even recently, on how to even worship God in the midst of this and not to accuse God of wrongdoing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And I believe that my girls got to a place they haven't arrived, they haven't attained, but it's the realization that this is a fallen world and there are dark people out there wanting to do some dark things.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Didn't you almost lose your daughter in Paris to human trafficking?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know that it was indeed human trafficking, but it did seem like that to me, absolutely.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: We were right by the pier, at the raised foundation, where a lot of people take pictures there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: You mean of the.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Eiffel Tower.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, yeah, this guy and another guy just honed in on my daughter and they were following us to different places.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: To make a long story short, it definitely scared us enough to where we ran back to the hotel and we took the first flight out of there to come home.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I love what both you guys were saying earlier, and I don't want to get lost on it because uh nice.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Both Mark and easy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, not anything you've said so far at all, like we can just delete all of that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Uh no, you know it's.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's really important.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: You quoted Keller earlier.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: He wrote a book called generous justice and he does a great job in that book of pointing out, pointing out that we fall into these two extremes that you were alluding to, which is like there's the liberal Christians that lose sight of the gospel for the sake of justice, and then he points out but there's also a conservative side that loves the cross and the gospel and salvation so much that we make little the work of justice.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: We think it's just of the heart, that it's always just a sin issue and if more people get saved, that's all that needs to happen.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And any talk of justice perks our ears and makes us weary of liberalism.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And I love what you said.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: There's this balance of both of those things.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: When we Jonathan Edwards said it great, he said when we see God, we desire beauty and we step into hardship for the sake of justice and mercy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah and Ray, I mean that's not like a novel concept.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Someone came up with justice, maybe the term social justice, but there is such a thing as biblical justice and God loves it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: How do we, as Christians, tap into that?
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Micah 6.8.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Flavorful, he has shown thee O man, what is good and what the Lord requires of you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Sing it, do justice, love mercy.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: It's tough, mark, sing it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: What a terrible thing.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's that balance of salt and light.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Let me just share something here Every human being is a victim of human trafficking.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: According to scripture, certain the Lord must not strive, but be gentle to all men and meet us, instructing those that oppose themselves if God pervention will give them repentance, the acknowledging of the truth that they might recover themselves out of the snare of the devil who has taken them captive to do his will.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: And so we've got the gospel that sets people free.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: So, on one hand, we stand for justice and social issues.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: On the other hand, we take that glorious gospel that takes people out of the hands of the devil and makes them free.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think what would be the thing that would most likely happen for someone who's either delivered from sex slavery, or someone who has had a family member delivered from sex slavery, or someone who has had a family member delivered from sex slavery and the church is just trying to help them, at the end of the day, if they're not touched by the gospel, it's probably gonna lead to radical bitterness and hatred and again like a spite toward God versus like, yeah, understanding the gospel, every person, even understanding their own sin and guilt before the Lord.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Because I think it's easy sometimes for those that have been victimized like that to see themselves still as sinners that are in need of God's mercy and grace.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: So I think let's get practical here.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I think one of the first and most important things the church can do to help fight this is, first of all, to bring awareness to the reality of these things.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I was talking to a young Christian that I was discipling a while ago and he was kind of shrugging his shoulders at the concept of Christians knowing the news and what's going on in the world, like they don't need an awareness.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like no listen, I don't care about the news and it's like again on in the world Like they don't need an awareness.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like we don't.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: No, I don't listen, I don't care about the news and it's like again, salt of the world, light of the earth, if anyone should know what's going on in the world it's us.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And I think, when you think that way, it's part and parcel with the misunderstanding of what our connection with the Lord really means, like the power that God has to answer prayers and that we, as Christians, have the privilege of being able to enter into.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: You know the benefit of being able to enter into prayer like that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: But I say all that to say awareness, so like informing the church about these things, because there are a lot of Christians that just don't know, like the extent to which this stuff is going on.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So, oscar, how can leadership, how can pastors, effectively do that in a way that's going to help people see what's going on?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I think the calendar year gives us an opportunity to do that, and it could be so short.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You know, just the other day we were at church and it was I can't remember what we call it the pro-life day, the sanctity of life day.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: And our Life.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Sunday.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And our pastor takes the first five, 10 minutes and brings forward an organization in our city that's working to basically save these babies, and so to spotlight those organizations at the right time.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I think we can do the same thing with human trafficking.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I think it starts with our leaders to understand the significance of making our people aware, or even during events Like here's another example this upcoming Sunday and I know that this is going to get released at a different time, but this upcoming Sunday is Super Bowl, right?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Super Bowl is one of the peak in human trafficking during Super Bowl is massive.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: So instead of getting up and making your joke about, hey, thanks for being here during Super Bowl Sunday, we'll get you home quick so you can watch the game, how about stop and just recognize?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Here's a problem that happens.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Can we just stop and pray?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for those individuals.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: It just made me think, oscar, as to why sometimes pastors don't do that.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: They don't want to be a downer.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: They don't want to be a downer.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: They don't want to rain on anyone's parade.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Come on, that's so disgusting.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about something that's going on and, speaking of highlighting things, I was just talking to a pastor yesterday who just went to Los Angeles in connection with Samaritan's Purse to film and bring attention to what was going on with the fires out there.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: And if churches would use their media power I mean, you have some big churches out there and they have people as well, but to highlight these things, to bring attention to them.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And then Mark social media.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, people may not have millions of followers, but isn't that a good avenue for people?
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're posting silly things with cats and frogs and whatever.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, I really enjoy those guys.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And there's also a danger attached to that as well.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Right, william Warburg Forrest.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: He said you may choose to look the other way, but you can't say that you.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: What is the quote exactly?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: You may choose to look the other way, but you can never say again you did not know.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Bruce Garner, your pastor, had an event at his church several years ago that I went to with my wife, where he brought in an expert with the LAPD dealing with sex trafficking and she brought awareness to your point dealing with social media, that it begins with social media that we need to be on our guard, and I remember a young man had contacted me and he was being sextorted.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Sextorted is what happens when you think you're talking to somebody through social media, through DMing or something along that nature, and they send you a photo of themselves without any clothes on and they get you to do the same thing, and then you come to find out that that person is a bit of a plant.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: You know they're a poe, they don't belong, and what happens is they kind of make their way into your circle by following the same sort of people that you're following, and then they start following people and the person doesn't even exist and from there you start getting a relationship, you think, with this person, and nobody's ever met the person.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And so once you send that photo which my friend did, sent a photo of himself without clothes on they said they now required money from the person.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Send me money and I will make this go away.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: If not, I'm now going to send it to all of your friends who I know who they all are.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And so now you find yourself in a weird loop.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Right that, what do I do?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Do I acquiesce to this?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Do I allow this to happen?
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Do I send this Because it'll never end?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a case where a kid committed suicide.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: That's exactly what it leads to.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And what this lady had said at Bruce Garner's church is you never give into that, you never send any money, you just let it go.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you keep clothes on first.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you find yourself in the position where you did that, go to your pastors, go to your family and confess.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: What do I do with this?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: But you never have any sort of communication with those people ever again.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: And what can you do individually to answer your question?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can raise awareness.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Christine Kane, she's the founder of A21.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: She deals with modern anti-trafficking.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: She's a modern anti-trafficking leader.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And she said the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference, and indifference is the enemy of justice that we need to be able to speak up.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: We need to open up our mouth, as Proverbs 31 says, for the mute and for the rights of all who are destitute.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Open up your mouth, judge righteously and defend the rights of the poor and the needy.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Mother Teresa said you may not be able to feed a thousand, but you can feed one.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's easy to begin to think that you can't do very much.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So Ray feeds the world with In-N-Out gift cards.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Right, yep.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: And while we're at it, we've got a weight problem in the US and I've caused it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: You're adding to it and you've caused it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But while we're on the subject, I do want to bring this to light, and that is because of the advertisement that Winter Stencil is doing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, mark, that they have horrific sexual innuendos with their hats, with their material.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I wrote to them in three different ways and I said listen, I have supported you guys for so long.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I can no longer, in a clear conscience, do this, respond, respond to this.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: There's a group of people out there that just want food and they don't want your innuendos.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: What a novel idea I said please respond to this and they're not responding and I can't say how horrific they are.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But I am done with winter stencil because of it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying other people have to do it and I'm not trying to say we need to boycott winter stencil.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm done.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I personally need to draw a line in the sand and say I'm done.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You guys are so horrific and it's hard because I have supported them vocally for so many years and they have no idea what they're doing in the midst of this.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm sadly done with Winters and Soul.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I've followed your lead in this easy, because you did this with Carl's Jr when it came to their horrific commercials.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: I'm doing the same with cilantro, cilantro.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: No, I like onions.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: They're just not good for marriage.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: No, mark, that's good, and I think that's something else that each individual Christian can do.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: You follow your conscience on that and you let everyone make their own decision.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: But I love that because I know how much you love Wienerschnitzel.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: That's a big deal, that's true, but that's where we stand up and we say no, I'm not going to contribute to this.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And this brings up a good point, ray, heading this stuff off in terms of what we can do at its source, of what causes that right, like you climb up and put a blanket on a billboard or something.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: No one would ever do that no one would do that no one would be crazy enough to do that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I did not put a blanket on a billboard.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I put it on a lady's naked body On a billboard, on a billboard.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, make sure to clarify.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: On a billboard.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, good point, it was a billboard.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: It was a billboard, yeah, something.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: I hit the staple gun and it not be backwards when I hit it and I thought I was going to end up at the bottom of the billboard with a red blanket over me.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I could just see Ray rolling up the windows.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: We have a picture of that don't we, yes, we do, oh man.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: But Ray fighting.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Let me answer your question even before you ask it, I wasn't aware.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty aware of news, I know who the president is and a few other things like that, but I wasn't aware of human trafficking trafficking until you made me see that film.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Sorry, encouraged me to see that film and that made me aware of it and I look back to when we brought our kids up.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: It's the picture, mark.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: This is the picture of Ray you have it, Mark yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Have you seen it, Oscar?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Show the camera.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: It seriously never ceases to make me laugh.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And Ray, that's like on a busy corner right there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: It was your daughter caused it, did she?
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: We were going along in our car and she says don't, look, now there's a disgusting billboard, and it was.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: I looked.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Was that Julia?
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: That was your wife.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, you said my daughter.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: That was just to confuse you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy, because I really didn't know what was going on.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: You were totally confused, we're both taking antibiotics.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's the antibiotics.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: So and purchased an 18, 16-foot ladder and got a great big orange blanket and my staple gun and went up there and covered that lady up and I send a news release out saying ABC, who had put it up there, come and get me.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I've damaged your property Because I would like to go to court and say how dare you put a pornographic billboard up where my family I don't want my wife raped because of your horny billboard?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Can I say that word?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: No, no, use the New Zealand word.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Lusty billboard, yeah, yeah.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: So anyway, to answer your question, I wasn't aware of that and I look back in New Zealand when our kids brought your wife and my two sons, we had let them out on the streets to play for hour after hour on their bikes.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rachel always thinks back on that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, For days and weeks would have no idea where they were at Months and years We'd throw food out the window and that was it every couple of days.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: But we never had concern that they'd be kidnapped, it wasn't even in the radar.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: And over here I see kids on the streets just running around, no adult with them.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: And I've seen you can see videos online of motorbikes coming along, scoop up some five-year-old under the arm and away.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: They go and disappear and never to be seen again.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: And this movie I saw this morning, the Sound of Freedom follow-up.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: They showed the trailer and this guy just grabs a young guy he's about six or seven, puts him in his car and a cop stops him and says is this your son?
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: He says yeah, can I see his passport?
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: And he holds up the passport of the kid Already, had it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: What?
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: And you think what?
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Because they got his picture beforehand so they'd be ready for the law to stop it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: So it's a horror beyond words.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: And parents, never let your kids get out of your sight, right?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, amen, yeah, and I think you know heading it off by again, as believers speaking out against sexual sin.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: You know, taking a stand, like you did, ray, as believers speaking out against sexual sin.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Taking a stand, like you did Ray, in different forms of being able to speak, because we have influence.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: You have parents in schools where they're putting these books that are sexually explicit.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I mean this is basically grooming kids to be sexual predators from an early age and desensitizing them to it and get it in their minds and letting so.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Taking steps like that and, mark, advocating for policy changes in the legal arena or in the political arena right, yeah, you see lots of parents that have, especially during the Biden administration, would grab a hold of a book inside of the school library, go before the council, the council men and women, and read different portions of the book and then them being led outside or being arrested for doing that and causing a disruption.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: But it's like you have to stand up.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: There has to come a line where you say I'm not going to cross that anymore, where you've crossed this line and enough is enough.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: You guys are reminding me of another chapter in Generous Justice which talks exactly about this.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: It's like he points out there's three areas in which we need to be involved in help.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: He says the first area is relief.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Relief is the idea that you see someone.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: It's like the good Samaritan you see somebody in pain, you see somebody in pain in some sort of turmoil, and we do something to rescue that individual person.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Then he talks about restoration, which is not just that you get those people back up on their feet, but you preach the gospel to them.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: They might come to a saving faith and you help them in a restorative way so that one day not only are they living a healthy, beautiful life, but they can give back towards the problem.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: But the other thing he talks about is reform, and that's exactly what you're talking about, and reform could be laws, but it could also be.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It is also recognizing the cultural precedence that gives way to make these things okay, and I always imagine hearing this podcast through the lens of a non-believer, them thinking to themselves well, wait a minute.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: It's nobody's fault, but the trafficker's fault For sure.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: The trafficker is primarily responsible, but because of the porn industry, because of the over-sexualization of women.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Our culture has created the environment that makes these horrific things possible.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Louise Perry is an author.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: She's a secular, not a Christian, a former feminist.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: She wrote a book called the Case Against the Sexual Revolution and in it she, at the end advocates for a Christian view of sexuality, talking about monogamous, same sex marriage, monogamous marriage and not having sex until marriage is like the best thing for society.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: She's looking at it from a secular perspective, but the thing that she points out is that the over-sexualization of women has led to rape.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Culture has led to these human trafficking issues that we have today.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: In other words, the environment we have created for ourselves is creating or perpetuating a problem, and in order to change the problem, sure, we need to provide relief, restoration, but we also need to talk about reform.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, and I think another thing that we need to do is we need to raise up men who fight in these arenas, men who become protectors.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: You mean fight like a man.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, I've heard of that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: That sounds like a bold biblical battle plan for personal purity.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: But seriously though, men are wimps.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Men don't do anything anymore to stand up.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Look, there was a social experiment that made me so irate.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: It was like a little kid sitting at a bus stop or in a public place on a bench or something, and it was a social experiment.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: The kid's an actor, right, but they had, like a pedophile, come up and begin to like hey, what are you doing?
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And they made sure there were adults like in many cases men sitting there Within earshot of what's happening, like right there.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: This is wild.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: This is on camera.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they're just like turning their heads.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: You know that whole like trying to avoid it, to not get involved.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Where was this?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I think they did it somewhere.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: If it had been Texas, they would have just shot the gun.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, where were we, when are we as a society, where you know again, men and women, but I'm speaking, look, men are designed to be protectors and defenders of the weaker.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: You know, and I don't mean that in a demeaning sense, but Scripture talks about a woman being the weaker vessel and obviously, physically, on a whole, on average, men are stronger than women.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: You don't need to justify yourself.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I saw on television yesterday they were talking about the men and women's sports, and then the weightlifting men were able to lift 400 pounds more than the women.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: So that shows that we are a little stronger.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But he says on the whole, because Rachel can beat him up.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: But it just made me so mad, you know, because I mean, look, you guys remember that story.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: With that, I think he was a Marine or something, and some guy came on a subway and was talking about how he was going to kill people, yes, and then the guy you know was trying to restrain him and the guy died in the midst of it and this guy became like the villain, the hero.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: He ended up getting, you know, acquitted and everything but.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Ray, what's going on with manhood in our day and age.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to look to us.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look at it with that leather jacket today looking like the Fonz.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: I got my leather jacket, yeah, and my beard Real men have beards.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Well, I had one.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: You started growing a beard.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: I had one.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: You took it off, and you took it off slowly.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: It was like de-evolution.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I had the big handlebar mustache.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I want to bring back that mustache dude, that thing was sweet bro Mustaches are evil.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: You were so dark, you grew up being about two days, about 10 seconds.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I don't want to.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I'm always shaving.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: You guys just don't see me.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just so fast you shave before the podcast.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: This is what.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I'm saying yeah, but yeah, men fighting and men defending Mark and men defending Mark.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: How can we groom our sons to be defenders of the weak?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Frederick Douglass, the abolitionist in the 19th century.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: He said it is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: So it starts while they're young.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: It starts with teaching your child to open the door for mama, for your sister.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Boy, that's a good thing to do.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I actually punched one of my sons when he was younger because he walked in front of his mom to go into a door.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: why Daniel?
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: has that dick?
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got that limp.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: It was only on his shoulder, but yeah, these things are part of etiquette and they've been forgotten.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And if I wore a hat, I'd tip it every time I saw a woman, but I don't, because I don't wear a hat.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wink.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, today, with, with the um, you know, uh, feminist culture they're, they're shooting themselves in the foot in a sense, you know.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I mean think about, like this guy as an example, who's trying to help and and and, uh, you know, he gets almost imprisoned for it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, who's gonna want to come to anyone's aid anymore?
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Now it's like, oh, if I get involved, who knows what might happen to me, you know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And so I think, I think that with the feminist culture, you know, women are basically deactivating men who may step in and help them or protect them, because they're like, well, well, I guess that's not wanted, or I'm going to get shunned, or I'm going to, you know, a cell phone's going to be put in my face.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be recorded.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: You've still got to do it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Be a gentleman.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I remember I ran in front of a woman once to get her through a door and actually bumped her shoulder as I went past her and pushed the door open.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: The hit her.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I remember the moment, I can see the moment.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Remember when that lady left behind her bag on the airplane and so you grabbed a hold of it and you ran after her.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: No, no no, you're exaggerating.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Some guys left a very important looking package on the floor just under a seat, just slightly.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: So I grabbed it and ran after them down the runway thing, whatever it's called into the airport and there were chatting with friends who came out to greet them, as about ten people standing around.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: I said I just butted in because it was so important, important looking package.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: And I held it and said you left this on the plane?
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: And the guy looked at me says ah, I think that's part of the escape style, there's a life jacket.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: There's a life jacket underneath all that, from under the seat, and so I said, yeah, that's great Nice to meet you guys.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: So I don't do good work.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I don't do any good work, so I see a Samaritan.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Seriously, Ray, that would be such a great movie title the man who always means well but always does bad Fast forward that plane crash lands in the Hudson and one person is missing his life vest.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I did the other day?
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: I was in a hurry and I came back oh, that's right, we're doing a podcast or something.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: And I went around to the local college, came back, I got the sunglasses off my dog and you said you're late, come on quick, quick.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: So I rushed back here, we did a podcast.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: That was an hour or so and we had lunch out at the thing and I went back home to the garage and talked with you on the phone for a few minutes while I was on, my car got out and my dog was still strapped to the bike.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Tell everyone for how long?
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Right over three hours.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: No way.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: She's just sitting there shaking and she and I walked past her to leave and ray goes.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Well, we're talking and you go.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you know you go.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, lucy's still on the bike.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking like 10 minutes ago, like I don't know what I was thinking, he rode back on his bike Three hours.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Just sitting there.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: She's probably saying hey, as I was leaving hey.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Over here Help.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Ray, what was she doing when you Shaking?
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: She was really.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: But she's very forgiving as soon as I got her down, she was sweet.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: She's used to that sort of thing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Did you give her a treat?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: So I'll go ahead.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say John, I mentioned earlier.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Edwards did this sermon.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: You can find it online on Deuteronomy 15.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And he talks about how the thing that compels us is seeing the beauty of God and then desiring beauty in this world.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And he says that you will desire beauty so much that it will cause you hardship.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And he breaks up the two different things between Sintika and Mishpat.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So Sintika is living rightly by helping.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: These are old Jewish words.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Living rightly by helping.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: That is, you're walking down the street, you see somebody in need, you give them something.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You see somebody in need, you give them something.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Mishpat is setting things right, seeing injustices in the world and then going to work to make those wrong things right.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And Jonathan Edwards would look at the scriptures and tell you that the command from the scriptures is that the Christian needs to live out both those realities.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: And someone once pointed out this way like one of our bigger problems too, along with, just like the last, lack of biblical masculinity, is that we have what they called a middle class spirit, and this is the thing that holds Christians on the sidelines.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So you would say a middle class spirit is like I work hard for what I get the poor.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: They give up.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: God loves me and I deserve what I have.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I read, I pray, I keep the law and this is the reason why things are going pretty well for me and I have a good bank account and look at the poor like what's their problem?
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: What do they need to do?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: They need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps, they need to put themselves in better situations.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: So they're not dealing with this stuff.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: So this is a middle-class spirit.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: But he says a Christian ought to have a poor in spirit mentality.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: They look at themselves and they say I know I've been saved by grace.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I am bankrupt spiritually.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: He emptied himself for me and that poor in spirit mentality changes the way we see the poor, changes the way we see those in need.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: We don't say you need to pick yourself up, but rather we are thankful that God doesn't look at us and say you need to pick yourself up.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Rather, god picks us up and because of that we look at others and we step in to lift them up from the life they live.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: It's part of self-denial.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: At our Christmas party I was given a really nice jacket.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: I don't remember.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: The one you're wearing.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: No, no, this is not the one I'm wearing, but it's really, really warm and I just loved it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: So the first day I wore it, it was a freezing day.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: I was on my bike and I went past this homeless lady who was wearing shorts and a T-shirt and it was freezing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: I got 50 yards past and I thought I've got to give her my new jacket.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: So I turned around and went back to her and said Are you cold?
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: And she said no.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I said Really.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: She said not at all.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: I said well here heaven in and out, cardinal left.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Praise the Lord, I had to keep my day going.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Oh man, yeah, you know.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking, oscar, as you were talking about that, about the publican, you know, who wouldn't even so much as lift his gaze to heaven.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: God be merciful to me, a sinner, you know.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: And recognizing that and having the spirit of Christ that we've talked about before, you know, with his compassion, when he looked out on the multitudes whose sin he knew better than they knew, whose rebellion he understood better than they understood, and yet he saw them.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: He saw them in their full light, weary, scattered, shepherdless, and he was moved with compassion for them.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: And what did he do?
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: He taught them and then he fed them.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: He fed them.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: And again, that is where the balance comes in for us as believers.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: We do the good works, we do the biblical social activity, but we always teach them.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: We bring the gospel, we bring light, we bring truth and we reach them in that way.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Mark, maybe you could speak a little bit to.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: One of the things that the church can do and Christians can do is giving, getting behind these organizations that are doing the work and contributing, and we have a hard time with that?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amy Carmichael.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: She said you can always give without loving, but you can never love without giving.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: If you are indeed loving, then you are giving.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: If you love, you give.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: There's no way around it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: There's no way to separate it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: You cannot say that I love my brother and then I see him in need and I turn my back away.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely impossible to do so.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Galatians 6 says to bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Think about the relationships that you had inside the world.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: We have something in common we're both athletes.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Of course we're friends.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: We both have this in common we're both athletes.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Of course we're friends.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: We both have this in common we're both on the chest.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Of course we're friends.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: The church is not like that.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: We will go through things together and there's going to come times where I'm going to need you to lift up my arms, and I'm going to lift up your arms when you're in need.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: If you are not, think about your friends.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: This is how you take that litmus test.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Look around at the people that are inside your life.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: If you have not gone through something with them, you can call them many things, but you can't call them a friend.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: You can't call them a deep, intimate friend.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: They're just an acquaintance, maybe they're just a coworker, but they're not your friend.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Because as a friend, you go through the hilltops and the plateaus and the all the same, and you're not going anywhere.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: There was a winning definition for the word friend back in the summer of 1994, and it was a friend is someone who walks in the door when everybody else walks out the door.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: When you have somebody that leaves you when everybody else is leaving you, you have the person walking in the door saying I'm not going anywhere, there's nothing you can do to get me out of your life.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: That's what we need to do.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: That's how we bear each other's burdens.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: What are you going through and remember we've talked about it before Somebody's going through something.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: What do we send the text?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: What does the email say?
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Hey, if there's anything you need, let me know.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: What does the friend do?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: The friend says here's lunch, here's the In-N-Out gift card, here's dinner.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, let me take this person in for you, let me help out, let me walk your dog.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Your dog's staying at my house for this week.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Right, let me be there for you to help out.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, you're many things.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: You're just not a friend.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I think those are the two things.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Right, like you know, you've got money and giving like I was talking about.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: But sometimes, you know, we can be greedy and hoard what God's blessed us with.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Other times we can give, but we do that to escape giving our time when we do have it, to give like we can.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: But we don't want to be inconvenienced.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: So our presence, us being involved, you think of these workers that are part of some of these ministries that have been laboring for years.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've all had it up evangelism.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: We know how tiresome it can become, discouraging.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: But people involved in like the sex trafficking ministries or the abortion ministries, and they feel alone To have another brother, sister come alongside them, lift up their arms, join them in the work.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Give them money.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, give them money too.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I mean all of that.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: It goes such a long way.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: And finally, I think we need to hit on prayer, the value of prayer.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Again, I was sharing this with someone the other day Our verbiage gives us away.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I guess all I can do is pray.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: You think about that, you rephrase that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: I guess all I can do is talk to the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, sovereign.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: God of the universe who holds every molecule in his control and who can move mountains and crack oceans and do anything he wants on behalf of his children, whom he loves.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I guess all I can do is talk to him, who tells me to ask and I shall receive Is that the amplified version?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: That's the Emil Zwayne Arab version.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: But it's true, right, like we have to think about that.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: And, ray, do you like to pray?
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: No, I hate praying but, you do it why.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: Because Jesus prayed and prayer is what moves the hand of God.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I got up each night for most nights for 38 years to pray and when I turned 70, I kept falling asleep.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: It happened so many times I just stopped.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: So now I pray without ceasing.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: And it's a really, really hard thing to do to pray without ceasing, because you forget Other things, sort of crowd in.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: But yeah, prayer is the lifeline to God.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: It's the oxygen that motivates us as Christians.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: You still have the prayer list on your ceiling.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: I had one, but now it's on my iPad.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: It was on the ceiling.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: That's your prayer list.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll read this poem again that I've read before Traveling on my Knees.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Last night I took a journey to a land across the seas.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I did not go by ship or plane, I traveled on my knees.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I saw so many people there in bondage to their sin, and Jesus told me I should go, that there were souls to win.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: But I said, jesus, I can't go to lands across the seas.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: He answered quickly yes, you can, by traveling on your knees.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: He said you pray, I'll meet the need.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: You call and I will hear.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: It's up to you to be concerned for lost souls far and near.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: And so I did Knelt in prayer, gave up.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: That's by Sandra Goodwin.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: What a good reminder of what we can do.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: And, oscar, I love that phrase.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: I gave up some hours of ease.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: When we think of how much time we really do have and what we don't do with it, it's convicting, isn't it?
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely is.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: And I read recently in preparing for this someone said do you give more to the poor than you spend on entertainment?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like oh man, that one just got me right in the gut.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: And same thing with our time as well.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: And some people listen, some people have money to spare and some people don't have money to spare.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: But they have time to spare, amen.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: And they ought to spend that time and just before.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing as we talk about giving to the needy, we can be motivated by our guilt.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: We can give just enough to relieve us of our guilt, but we ought to give from a place of receiving something great.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And that reminds me of Edmund Clowney's sermon on the Good Samaritan.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: He points out, like Jesus, he could have started by saying hey, imagine a Jew on a horse riding that horse down the street and they see a Samaritan in the middle of the ground.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: What would he do?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And everyone would have responded he would have trampled him over.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: He would have told him to move aside.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Of course, naturally right, that's what we ought to do.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: But Jesus flips that narrative on its head.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: He says imagine you on the ground and the good Samaritan comes by.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: What would you want?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Of course I'd want him to help.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I'd want Samaritan, who stepped down and lifted us up.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: And when we see that we have been helped by the capital G great Samaritan then we move forward in life as good Samaritans, as an overflow of recognizing that we were poor in spirit in need of grace.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: It's all perspective, isn't it?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: And speaking of kindness, Ken Hammer's.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Here he's been bothering me for about 20 minutes.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: He's sending FaceTime, all sorts of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there it is.
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  Speaker 3: My phone's been blown up too, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, friends, let me wrap up with this.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think we all need to reevaluate two things that we often say I can't afford it and I don't have time.
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  Speaker 3: May we reevaluate those and really ask ourselves is that true when it comes to standing up for things?
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  Speaker 3: We were talking specifically about sex trafficking, but this applies to so many more things.
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  Speaker 3: So there you have it, friends.
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  Speaker 5: Yes,