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Ep. 906: Foundations - How Embracing a Little Mystery Can Help You Kill More Big Bucks · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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  Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. In today's episode is all about mystery and
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  Speaker 2: the deer woods. Why it's such a good thing? Hey, quick,
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  Speaker 2: before I get into this, I got to ask you
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  Speaker 2: guys a favor. If you're not subscribed to the Wired
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  Speaker 2: to Hunt podcast, can you just do that so my
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  Speaker 2: boss will leave me alone on this topic. It would
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  Speaker 2: be really really nice if you did that, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not already subscribed, so then I can stop asking you
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  Speaker 2: for stuff like this. Thank you in advance. I put
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  Speaker 2: some miles on my truck this brand, hunting turkeys in
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  Speaker 2: a few new locations in Nebraska and Kansas and came
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  Speaker 2: away with the old feeling that sparked this podcast. It's
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  Speaker 2: that feeling this keeps me going, you know, new places,
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  Speaker 2: new experiences, a little of the unknown that stuff goes
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  Speaker 2: a long ways toward keeping the fire lit, and on
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  Speaker 2: top of that, I think it makes you a better hunter.
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  Speaker 2: This sort of thing goes against the grain and with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of white tail hunting these days, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's a bad thing. And I know I
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  Speaker 2: talk about this topic a lot, but I really want
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  Speaker 2: to dive into it here because I think it's super important.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to do that right now. A few
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, I dropped my boat off at a service
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  Speaker 2: center to get a few things looked at before the
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  Speaker 2: small mouth moves shallow and I forget about turkeys for
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  Speaker 2: another year. I happen to bump into an old acquaintance
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  Speaker 2: of mine from my tournament fishing days, and we struck
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  Speaker 2: up a conversation. And while a lot of it centered
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  Speaker 2: on deer in turkey hunting, because like a lot of us,
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  Speaker 2: he goes pretty hard in the outdoors in several directions,
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  Speaker 2: but predictably, you know, we got to talking about bass first.
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  Speaker 2: He's kind of like me, although I hate to admit this,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a lot better of a fisherman, but he
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  Speaker 2: is like me in a way that he's mostly stopped
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  Speaker 2: fishing for a trophy and has just stayed fishing like
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  Speaker 2: a fiend because it's damn fun. We talked about a
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  Speaker 2: few different tours we competed against one another on, but
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  Speaker 2: mostly about our mutual friends and what they are up to,
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  Speaker 2: And finally we got onto the topic of forward facing sonar. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't know what this is, I'll give you
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  Speaker 2: a brief and probably somewhat inaccurate rundown. Imagine your typical
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  Speaker 2: depth finder which shows you a view of what's below
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  Speaker 2: your boat, Or at least they used to. But over
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  Speaker 2: time the big brains at some of the fishing and
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  Speaker 2: electronics companies realized they could probably angle transducers to the
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  Speaker 2: sides and show fishermen not only what was under the boat,
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  Speaker 2: but what kind of structure was within casting distance on
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  Speaker 2: each side of your boat. And side imaging is damn
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  Speaker 2: cool if ever used it, and the rocks and sunken
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  Speaker 2: trees and all kinds of stuff you can see with
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  Speaker 2: it change how you fish. That was only a matter
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  Speaker 2: of time before someone decided to point the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: toward the front of the boat, juice it up a
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  Speaker 2: bit to make it a bit more sensitive, and voila
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  Speaker 2: you have forward facing sonar. Now that might not sound
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  Speaker 2: like a big deal, but if you use it, or
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  Speaker 2: better yet, fish with someone who knows how to use it,
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  Speaker 2: it's a game changer for real. I'd say the difference
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  Speaker 2: between it and the older graphs would be like using
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  Speaker 2: a brand new crossbow versus busting out an old re curve.
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  Speaker 2: Forward facing sonar is so effective at not only showing
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  Speaker 2: you whether fish are in front of you, but where
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  Speaker 2: they are in the water column or how they're relating
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  Speaker 2: the structure. It's a different thing entirely a factor in
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  Speaker 2: that you can also see your lure or your presentation,
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  Speaker 2: even a small croppy jig, and then you can see
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  Speaker 2: the fish moving in to eat it or swimming away
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  Speaker 2: because they're spooked, and you start to see where this
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  Speaker 2: is going. Now, in some situations, like where you have
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  Speaker 2: a boulder field or maybe a rocky point in front
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  Speaker 2: of you, you can pull up and see whether there
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  Speaker 2: are any fish even to cast too. If not, you
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  Speaker 2: can move. For species like muskies, this is something that
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  Speaker 2: takes the fish of ten thousand casts and turns it
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  Speaker 2: into the fish of not very many casts. What I
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  Speaker 2: know about this technology is that it works insanely well
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  Speaker 2: and when it comes down in price to where the
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  Speaker 2: average fishermen might have it, there's probably going to be
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  Speaker 2: some new laws regulating it. It's probably going to impact
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  Speaker 2: the resource. There just isn't any other way to look
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  Speaker 2: at it, I don't think. And it's a shame too,
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  Speaker 2: because forward facing sonar is fun to use and it
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  Speaker 2: can teach you a lot about fish behavior, but it's
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  Speaker 2: also a big step toward taking the mystery right out
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  Speaker 2: of fishing. And if fishing is good for one thing,
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  Speaker 2: it's the promise of something cool happening at any moment,
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  Speaker 2: even if that thing thing mostly doesn't happen. Sounds a
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  Speaker 2: little like deer hunting, doesn't it, And we are working
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  Speaker 2: hard to take the mystery out of deer hunting. I
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  Speaker 2: had a conversation recently with a fella about selling one
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  Speaker 2: of my properties, and he mentioned that he just came
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  Speaker 2: across a cheap ish trail camera that uses AI to
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  Speaker 2: identify individual bucks and then factors in when they were
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  Speaker 2: moving and what conditions were prevalent to try to predict
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  Speaker 2: when that individual buck will move again. Now, this guy
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  Speaker 2: was all in on that idea, but I wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 2: different strokes for different folks and all that jazz. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing, though, that shit is coming and it'll
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  Speaker 2: change the game for a lot of us. We will
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  Speaker 2: use it to try to hunt precisely when we should
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  Speaker 2: be able to kill, and it'll work some, it should
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  Speaker 2: work a little bit, but mostly we will use it
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  Speaker 2: as a reason to hunt and a reason to not hunt.
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  Speaker 2: And if the software gets good enough to predict individual
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  Speaker 2: buck movement, it will be a huge, huge, huge hit
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  Speaker 2: amongst hunters. There will be a lot of us who
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  Speaker 2: kill more bucks and more bigger bucks, but who also
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  Speaker 2: don't get better at deer hunting. In fact, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that stuff will probably make us worse deer hunters
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  Speaker 2: in general. But it really won't matter to most of us.
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  Speaker 2: But if that matters to you, or the idea of
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  Speaker 2: it just doesn't sit well, then consider why. Maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: hardwired to solve a problem because you wouldn't like deer
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  Speaker 2: hunting if you weren't that way, at least to some extent.
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  Speaker 2: That's the best part about the outdoor stuff. It's not
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  Speaker 2: the grip and grins and getting seventy one likes on
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  Speaker 2: your trophy photos. It's willingly engaging in something that forces
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  Speaker 2: you to solve a problem, often many of them in succession,
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  Speaker 2: to finally fill that tag. But also think about it
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  Speaker 2: this way. What's really cool about deer hunting to you? Specifically?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is it running cameras and glassing all to
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  Speaker 2: find your hitlister and then drilling down to kill only
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  Speaker 2: him throughout the season? Okay, you do you, but think
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  Speaker 2: about it a little bit differently. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: that I love about deer hunting is hearing a stick
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  Speaker 2: crack at prime time and just knowing someone is going
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  Speaker 2: to come down the trail. But is it a fourky
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  Speaker 2: or a one to fifty, a dough, a buck, a raccoon?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows? But that space between hearing the stick crack
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  Speaker 2: and something materializing is damn fun. What about when you're
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  Speaker 2: sitting on stand just having a look around and you
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  Speaker 2: catch a glimpse of movement in the woods. Is it
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  Speaker 2: just another fox, squirrel, a blue jay or a deer?
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  Speaker 2: And if it is a deer, what deer is it?
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  Speaker 2: What about when you just get sick of sitting the
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  Speaker 2: usual stands and you go make a natural blind somewhere
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  Speaker 2: that you usually don't hunt. How does that feel different
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  Speaker 2: from the stands you always go to because it will
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  Speaker 2: feel different. Where I'm going with this is just to
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  Speaker 2: act ask you to think about the little parts of
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  Speaker 2: deer hunting that make it so fun. Walking into your
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  Speaker 2: setup and seeing a fresh scrape or a fresh rub
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  Speaker 2: and wondering if something new and antlerie is about to
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  Speaker 2: stroll through at some point. That's fun. There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different ways the unknown can make deer hunting special.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the rub. We won't seek it out mostly.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of look at this like the new weight
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  Speaker 2: loss drugs that have taken over the market. Anyone with
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  Speaker 2: the money or probably good enough insurance can now use
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  Speaker 2: an appetite suppressant and probably drop some pounds. It's simple,
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  Speaker 2: and yet it's not. Now. Going from an unhealthy weight
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  Speaker 2: to a healthy weight and not experiencing any side effects
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  Speaker 2: is objectively a good thing, there's no question there. But
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  Speaker 2: losing that weight from an injection is different from losing
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  Speaker 2: that weight through discipline. The result might seem like the
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  Speaker 2: same thing, but it's not. The person who uses the
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  Speaker 2: drug to get skinny hasn't changed as a person mentally
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  Speaker 2: psychologically besides weighing less. The person who loses the weight
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  Speaker 2: through diet and exercise has fundamentally changed themselves as a
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  Speaker 2: person to some extent. Now we can skin these kiddies
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different ways. But on the deer
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  Speaker 2: hunting front, if we have an easy way out, we
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  Speaker 2: generally take it. I'm not above it, and neither are you, probably,
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  Speaker 2: But when we do that, we almost inevitably miss out
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  Speaker 2: on that crucial component of hunting that makes it so
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  Speaker 2: special and so different from most of our day to
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  Speaker 2: day lives, where we know exactly what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: and it's honestly not that exciting. So how do you
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  Speaker 2: get some mystery back? Well, you have to fight your
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  Speaker 2: nature mostly and make an effort to do something different.
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  Speaker 2: I go back and forth on this because it's nice
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  Speaker 2: to default to some hunting scenarios where I know if
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  Speaker 2: I do this, then that will probably happen. My spring
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  Speaker 2: turkey hunting this year is a prime example of that.
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  Speaker 2: Now at home, I hunted two properties by my house
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  Speaker 2: that have lots of birds and where I can set
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  Speaker 2: up for them. Works really well. My daughters killed Tom's
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  Speaker 2: in the first few days of the season, and then
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a Tom. It wasn't challenging really, and while
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  Speaker 2: it was fun, especially for the girls, there wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: ton of mystery involved. I know it's just a question
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  Speaker 2: enough blind time and the toms will eventually respond to
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  Speaker 2: my calling on those places. And because of that, and
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  Speaker 2: because I know that I don't always get what I
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  Speaker 2: need out of hunts like that, I impulsively did two
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  Speaker 2: things and I've talked about. I bought a Nebraska tag
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  Speaker 2: and told myself I was going to hunt some piece
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  Speaker 2: of public land somewhere that I had never set foot on.
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  Speaker 2: And I applied for a Kansas tag with the exact
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  Speaker 2: same goal in mind.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't find much in Nebraska for deer sign but man,
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  Speaker 2: was it fun to finally shoot a jake. After roaming
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  Speaker 2: new ground for a few days in Kansas, which was
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  Speaker 2: a hunt that I probably did the least amount of
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  Speaker 2: planning for that I've ever done at any point in
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  Speaker 2: my life, I managed to stumble into a piece of
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  Speaker 2: ground that was full of turkeys and had quite a
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  Speaker 2: few deer on it, as well as quail and pheasants.
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  Speaker 2: I also learned that Kansas has four kinds of rattlesnakes
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  Speaker 2: and a hell of a lot of scorpions, which like
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  Speaker 2: to hide where guys like me like to look for fossils,
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  Speaker 2: and very close to where guys like me like to camp.
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  Speaker 2: Now in Kansas, I managed to call in a hen
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  Speaker 2: who was desperately trying to shake off one of those
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  Speaker 2: super jakes, and after I shot him, I realized how
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  Speaker 2: different I felt on those type of hunts. There's an
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  Speaker 2: uncertainty to a ten hour drive to some state you've
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  Speaker 2: only been to a handful of times and then trying
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  Speaker 2: to find some public land that will offer you up
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  Speaker 2: a decent hunt and a decent chance. But that land
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  Speaker 2: you've never set foot on is chock full of mystery.
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  Speaker 2: Are there birds there? Or are there any deer here?
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  Speaker 2: How about? What's the hunting pressure? Like? Is it light?
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  Speaker 2: And if it is, why, If it's not, when will
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  Speaker 2: it be? Where will the animals go when it's not.
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  Speaker 2: This is the thing that drives me so nuts about
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  Speaker 2: this movement to boot non residents out of every state
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  Speaker 2: so that we can all have theoretically easier hunting at home.
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  Speaker 2: When we do that, besides acting like anti hunters in
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  Speaker 2: our own right kind of, we are removing the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for someone to just go try to find a little
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  Speaker 2: mystery somewhere else, because it's often hard to find at home,
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  Speaker 2: given the fact that we can learn properties well when
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  Speaker 2: we live right where we hunt. But you might not
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  Speaker 2: want to travel, and that's okay. You can force yourself
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  Speaker 2: to engage in a bit of the unknown at home
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  Speaker 2: as well. Now, this might be the most crucial step
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  Speaker 2: for most of us to level up our big buck game.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm being totally honest, I think that we look
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  Speaker 2: at big bucks like this. They are largely unkillable at
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  Speaker 2: any given point in the season, But they are actually
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  Speaker 2: mostly unkillable where we hunt most of the season, and
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  Speaker 2: by that I mean from the stands and blinds we
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  Speaker 2: choose to hunt the most. This is obviously why we
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  Speaker 2: like the rut so much, because we get to generally
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  Speaker 2: hunt where we want to and how we want to,
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  Speaker 2: and the odds of a good one coming through tick
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  Speaker 2: up somewhat. But what about the rest of the dear seasons?
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  Speaker 2: And what about all those days when the rut doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem to be happening at all, and you just sit
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  Speaker 2: your favorite stand watching squirrels and wondering what the hell
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  Speaker 2: is going on? Ask yourself some questions, and then go
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  Speaker 2: try to answer them. If what you're doing isn't working,
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  Speaker 2: it's because what you're doing doesn't work very well. I
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  Speaker 2: think the loudest anti non resident voices need to hear this,
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  Speaker 2: because there is good hunting on public land in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of places, and if you can't get it done,
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  Speaker 2: it might not be because I might show up for
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  Speaker 2: a few days and hunt the same parcel. It's often
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  Speaker 2: because of what you're doing that doesn't work. We make
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  Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes, and we dig in our heels
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  Speaker 2: and we all do this, and instead of going why,
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  Speaker 2: we often double down and triple down and beat that
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  Speaker 2: dang dead horse until it's just a bloody pulp out
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  Speaker 2: in the pasture. A better bet is to go. If
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  Speaker 2: not this, then what what am I missing? What can
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  Speaker 2: I try that might change up everything for me? The
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  Speaker 2: real problem with this is that we often have very
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  Speaker 2: little confidence in chasing the unknown, so we just don't
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  Speaker 2: do it. I fight this all the time when I
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  Speaker 2: have a dear situation where it seems like they are
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  Speaker 2: breaking my mental rules about deer behavior that I have
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  Speaker 2: all gelled up in my smooth brain. I often fight
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  Speaker 2: a battle against myself to leave what I think I
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  Speaker 2: should do for something that will yield unpredictable results, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe better results. That's harder than most of us realize,
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  Speaker 2: but it's the secret sauce to figuring out what to
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  Speaker 2: do and what not to do. Forcing yourself to just
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  Speaker 2: run a camera and a question mark spot is a
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  Speaker 2: baby step in the right direction here because it'll show
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  Speaker 2: you something that you don't know. It will make you go, hmm,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting. Walking a whole creek bottom on
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  Speaker 2: public land to look at every crossing. We'll do this too.
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  Speaker 2: Glassing multiple nights in a row during the summer, that'll
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  Speaker 2: do it too. The bachelor group might not show on
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  Speaker 2: one night, but be sick as thieves the next night,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have to ask yourself why. This is
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest reasons I think having at least
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  Speaker 2: one mobile setup, whether that's a saddle or a lightweight stand,
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  Speaker 2: matters a lot. The ability and the willingness to go,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to sneak in and sit
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  Speaker 2: that island in the swamp just for the hell of it.
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  Speaker 2: That stuff's huge. There is mystery to that. And putting
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  Speaker 2: yourself somewhere new, somewhere different, to let the dear show
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  Speaker 2: you something is a great way to kill more big bucks.
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  Speaker 2: I think about how often my buddies and I will
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  Speaker 2: pheasant hunt a property one way over and over, season
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  Speaker 2: after season, and then for some reason, at some point,
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  Speaker 2: often because of the conditions or the wind direction, we'll
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  Speaker 2: just hunt it a different way, and the roosters will
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  Speaker 2: do what the roosters aren't supposed to do. I guess
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  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say is that it's dangerous to
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  Speaker 2: think we know too much and to use that to
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  Speaker 2: keep us from being curious about what we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We make educated guesses all of the time in deer hunting,
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  Speaker 2: and in fact, that's kind of how the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: is played. But when we make those guesses, we often
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  Speaker 2: don't see them through. We go where the hell did
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  Speaker 2: that big deer end up all season long? Well? Did
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  Speaker 2: you go look for him or his sign? Did you
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  Speaker 2: move your cameras around to see if you could find him?
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  Speaker 2: Did you decide it was safer to not do any
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  Speaker 2: of those things for fear of bumping him off of
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  Speaker 2: his pattern, which is ironic because he's already off whatever
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  Speaker 2: pattern he is supposed to be on. Those thoughts don't
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  Speaker 2: come into play on over the road hunts nearly as much,
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  Speaker 2: which is why I like them. They teach you to
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  Speaker 2: be curious and try to answer your questions before the
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  Speaker 2: clock runs out. But our home ground hunts they do
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  Speaker 2: the opposite. We play it safe and tamp down our
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  Speaker 2: curiosity for fear of getting things wrong. But that is
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  Speaker 2: a move as well, and it's often the wrong one,
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  Speaker 2: and it's also often way less fun, which is maybe
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  Speaker 2: what I should say to wrap this podcast up. You
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  Speaker 2: want to have fun out there on every hunt or
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  Speaker 2: during every scouting trip, then embrace the mystery, be curious,
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  Speaker 2: and when you are try to satisfy that curiosity. Ask
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  Speaker 2: yourself what you don't know and how you could come
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  Speaker 2: to know something. Don't be afraid of the unknown out there,
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  Speaker 2: because it'll teach you more than the things we already
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  Speaker 2: know to be true about the deer that we hunt,
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  Speaker 2: or the things we think we know to be true.
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  Speaker 2: Mystery and the outdoors is good, and if you learn
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  Speaker 2: to love it, you'll kill more. Big Bucks promise you that,
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  Speaker 2: and I promise you if you come back next week,
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk about something that is front and center in
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  Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. I'm Tony Peterson and this
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