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- 0:03Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
- 0:04Speaker 2: Greb a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
- 0:07Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
- 0:10Speaker 3: Free Martini's Coming up.
- 0:13Speaker 4: Welcome to the last call of the week for the
- 0:15Speaker 4: Three Martini Lunch. This is our weekly recap of the
- 0:18Speaker 4: biggest stories of the week. In this edition, a socialism special,
- 0:22Speaker 4: Zo Ron Mmdani has to admit he has no power
- 0:25Speaker 4: whatsoever to arrest Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netton Yahoo in
- 0:29Speaker 4: New York City. The left also tries to pitch socialism
- 0:32Speaker 4: as community, you know, just watching soccer and having coffee together,
- 0:36Speaker 4: and socialist influencer Hassan Piker keeps praise on Mao, the
- 0:40Speaker 4: worst mass murderer in recorded history. And in our Chaser
- 0:43Speaker 4: of the week, the Marxist leader in Nicaragua puts an
- 0:46Speaker 4: end to elections so the opposition can never win. But
- 0:50Speaker 4: we begin with New York City Mayor Zoe Ron Mamdani
- 0:52Speaker 4: ending his absurd promise to arrest Netan Yahoo. We're going
- 0:56Speaker 4: to start where we talked about in our second Martini yesterday,
- 0:59Speaker 4: where once again New York City Mayors Aron Mamdani had
- 1:03Speaker 4: been kind of thrown it out there. Oh, we're going
- 1:05Speaker 4: to do everything we can to arrest Benjamin Netanyaho if
- 1:08Speaker 4: he comes to New York City for the opening of
- 1:10Speaker 4: the UN General Assembly in September. And we talked yesterday, well,
- 1:14Speaker 4: how's he going to get out of this? Because he
- 1:15Speaker 4: can't arrest him. We know that he doesn't have that
- 1:18Speaker 4: actual power to do that. So is he going to
- 1:19Speaker 4: slink away? Then?
- 1:21Speaker 5: Now he's going to slink away? Now?
- 1:23Speaker 4: After a minute's worth of Hamas propaganda about how Netanyahu
- 1:29Speaker 4: is supposedly a war criminal, we finally got the actual
- 1:33Speaker 4: point of the message from Donnie yesterday, as well as
- 1:37Speaker 4: his ongoing bluster.
- 1:39Speaker 6: As I've said, I agree with the ICC, the Benjamin
- 1:42Speaker 6: Netanya who should be arrested and tried for his crimes,
- 1:45Speaker 6: as I do for anyone else charged by the ICC.
- 1:49Speaker 6: My administration has reviewed every avenue available under applicable law
- 1:53Speaker 6: to determine whether New York City could execute the International
- 1:56Speaker 6: Criminal Court's arrest weren't with Benjamin Netanya who came here.
- 2:00Speaker 6: It is clear that we do not have the independent
- 2:02Speaker 6: legal authority to enforce this want. The federal government, however, does,
- 2:06Speaker 6: and I call on them to join the ICC and
- 2:09Speaker 6: execute this want And I want to be equally clear
- 2:12Speaker 6: Benjamin Netania, who is not welcome in New York City,
- 2:15Speaker 6: nor is any other war criminal at large. Well, we
- 2:18Speaker 6: cannot end the genocide on our own. We can decide
- 2:21Speaker 6: whether our silence will become another weapon, and we can
- 2:23Speaker 6: examine every tool we have to defend the humanity and
- 2:27Speaker 6: dignity of all people. That is my commitment to you.
- 2:31Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sure the Trump administration is going to get
- 2:33Speaker 4: right on that, Jim, given the President's Truth Show response
- 2:36Speaker 4: and response to what MM Donnie had to say earlier,
- 2:39Speaker 4: you're not welcome here. That's about as much as Mamdanni
- 2:42Speaker 4: has in terms of power here, which isn't much.
- 2:45Speaker 3: No, you know, the mayor of a city saying you're
- 2:48Speaker 3: not welcome here. He could say the same thing to
- 2:51Speaker 3: the San Antonio Spurs and they're still going to show
- 2:53Speaker 3: up to the game.
- 2:54Speaker 1: That that doesn't mean anything. I like this. There's the
- 2:56Speaker 1: lead item in today's Morning Jolt newsletter.
- 2:59Speaker 3: And if you you are not a knee jerk critic
- 3:02Speaker 3: of Israel and you think about this plan that you
- 3:06Speaker 3: know Bambi said several times during his campaign last year,
- 3:10Speaker 3: you can think of like a half dozen problems. Right, Like,
- 3:12Speaker 3: there's no charge against Natanyahu within the jurisdiction of New
- 3:15Speaker 3: York City. The UNITS government does not recognize the authority
- 3:19Speaker 3: of the ICC. Not only does it not recognize it,
- 3:21Speaker 3: the Trump administration to impose sanctions on it. Right, marc
- 3:25Speaker 3: Arrubio pledge that we're going to dismantle the ICC brick
- 3:29Speaker 3: by brick if necessary. Right, So, the New York City
- 3:34Speaker 3: government doesn't have any authority. What's more, trying to enforce
- 3:37Speaker 3: an ICC warrant is against federal law, the American Service
- 3:41Speaker 3: Members Protection Act, which basically said no agency or entity
- 3:44Speaker 3: of any state or local government, including any court, may
- 3:47Speaker 3: cooperate with the International Criminal Court. Right, you're the mayor.
- 3:50Speaker 3: You don't get to override federal law. I'm sure I'm
- 3:53Speaker 3: going to put on my Andy McCarthy hat here and
- 3:55Speaker 3: just point out that, like if you are if you
- 3:57Speaker 3: want to prosecute someone within a particular jurisdiction, you usually
- 4:01Speaker 3: need some way to tie that crime to your jurisdiction.
- 4:05Speaker 3: Either the crime has to be committed there, there has
- 4:07Speaker 3: to be some sort of harmful result from the crime
- 4:09Speaker 3: that occurred there, or it was intended to affect that state.
- 4:13Speaker 3: There is no tie between New York City and everything
- 4:16Speaker 3: in the ICC warrant, which is a you know, generally nonsense,
- 4:18Speaker 3: but I'll just kind of just say that you don't
- 4:21Speaker 3: have any way to say, ah, because of this you
- 4:23Speaker 3: tie to New York City.
- 4:25Speaker 1: We are the ones who get to make this arrest.
- 4:27Speaker 3: When traveling to or from the United Nations for the
- 4:29Speaker 3: Annual General Assembly, all foreign leaders are immune from arrest.
- 4:32Speaker 3: This is covered by the Convention on the Privileges and
- 4:34Speaker 3: Immunities the United Nations adopted by the General Assembly back
- 4:37Speaker 3: in nineteen forty six. Also, the Agreement between the Nations
- 4:40Speaker 3: of the United States of America requarding the Headquarters the
- 4:42Speaker 3: United Nations also bars state and local authorities from obstructing
- 4:46Speaker 3: the representatives of member nations traveling or too from the
- 4:48Speaker 3: headquarters district. Finally, net Yahoo travels with the shin Bet Domestio.
- 4:55Speaker 3: They're really good at their jobs. Now the MIYPD is
- 4:57Speaker 3: also very good at their jobs. But there's I went
- 5:00Speaker 3: on coverage of a previous netnyao who visit to New
- 5:02Speaker 3: York City and it said he went to the bathroom
- 5:04Speaker 3: the twenty guys. This was in some restaurant or something
- 5:07Speaker 3: like that. So there's never going to be a moment
- 5:10Speaker 3: where net Yahoo is not guarded or lightly guarded, and
- 5:14Speaker 3: the NYPD, even with John McLean, could be able to
- 5:18Speaker 3: go in and grab Netan Yahoo and enforce this. So
- 5:21Speaker 3: I also there was one other reasons I thought about
- 5:23Speaker 3: putting in there as a reason, and then I kind
- 5:25Speaker 3: of decided not to. There is this tradition amongst in
- 5:28Speaker 3: international law that heads of state and heads of government
- 5:30Speaker 3: are entitled to quote absolute personal immunity from foreign jurisdiction unquote.
- 5:36Speaker 3: Now that sounds compelling, but I could not reach Nicholas
- 5:40Speaker 3: Maduro Water, Orlando Hernandez, Soadamosse Slamonon Melosovic, John Bertine Aristad,
- 5:46Speaker 3: or Manuel Noriega for comment. So I think that that's
- 5:50Speaker 3: maybe a less solid argument the international law experts than
- 5:54Speaker 3: they might.
- 5:54Speaker 1: You.
- 5:54Speaker 3: You go through all of that, think there's a whole
- 5:56Speaker 3: bunch of reasons, you might be like, well, why is
- 5:57Speaker 3: this coming up now?
- 5:58Speaker 1: Netan Yahoo?
- 5:59Speaker 3: It sounds for reports in Israel intends to attend the
- 6:02Speaker 3: UN General Assembly in September. Uh So my I don't
- 6:05Speaker 3: know whether this was something you know, Nanya, I has
- 6:07Speaker 3: been there before this might be something he'd always planned
- 6:09Speaker 3: to do. I kind of wonder if there's a sense
- 6:11Speaker 3: of like, oh, I have to go because I need
- 6:14Speaker 3: to show that I cannot be arrested, and then I'm
- 6:17Speaker 3: not afraid to go to New York City. But now
- 6:20Speaker 3: it's it's so now it looks like it's coming to fruition, mom.
- 6:23Speaker 3: Damie is in the circumstance where he has to say
- 6:25Speaker 3: he had people might say, hey, wait a minute, you
- 6:27Speaker 3: promise you're gonna arrest this guy.
- 6:28Speaker 1: What's going on?
- 6:29Speaker 3: So now he's suddenly discovered that he doesn't have the authority.
- 6:32Speaker 3: After this, this h I for further review, as they
- 6:34Speaker 3: like to say with instant replay in the in the NFL.
- 6:38Speaker 3: I'm just gonna observe, like nothing changed between then and now.
- 6:41Speaker 3: This is the exact same set of circumstances. And you know,
- 6:46Speaker 3: I compare this to to the middle school, you know,
- 6:49Speaker 3: student council president who says I'm going to replace a
- 6:51Speaker 3: school lunch with McDonald's and UH and Chick fil A,
- 6:55Speaker 3: and I'm going to ban homework and we're you know,
- 6:57Speaker 3: we're gonna have I'm gonna double the reseat. You don't
- 6:59Speaker 3: have the three do any of those things, And that's
- 7:03Speaker 3: kind of who Mom Dami was. But the other thing
- 7:05Speaker 3: is that I talked about boob bait for Bubba's in
- 7:07Speaker 3: yesterday's edition. I think in the end, like New York
- 7:09Speaker 3: City progresses, they like being lied to. They like being
- 7:12Speaker 3: told these promises that have no realistic chance to be
- 7:15Speaker 3: They much rather have that than deal with the reality
- 7:18Speaker 3: that nobody's going to arrest them.
- 7:21Speaker 1: Who when he comes to New York City.
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- 8:41Speaker 4: one of the reasons for that is a very deceptive
- 8:43Speaker 4: campaign to mask what socialism really is. Jim and I
- 8:48Speaker 4: discuss that on Monday. We start with the left, and
- 8:52Speaker 4: it's dsa socialist drift in certain parts of the country
- 8:57Speaker 4: and in certain races that are really.
- 8:59Speaker 5: Not the deepest of blue.
- 9:00Speaker 4: We'll see what happens in Michigan here in the next
- 9:03Speaker 4: couple of weeks. But one of the things that we
- 9:06Speaker 4: always like to see we saw this with the Mum
- 9:08Speaker 4: Donnie campaign last year. I was like Oh, it's not socialism,
- 9:11Speaker 4: it's it's democratic socialism. It's totally different. And thou we're
- 9:16Speaker 4: getting a better idea of how they're selling socialism in
- 9:21Speaker 4: this day and age. And you have said this many
- 9:23Speaker 4: many times that people are being convinced it just means
- 9:26Speaker 4: you're social And I'm like, how can people.
- 9:28Speaker 5: Be that silly? Well, here is how it's explained.
- 9:31Speaker 7: I know, I saw statistic amazing for you guys. More
- 9:34Speaker 7: than half of young Americans now prefer socialism over capitalism.
- 9:39Speaker 7: So if you can look into the camera and give
- 9:40Speaker 7: a thirty second elevator pitch on why socialism is better
- 9:43Speaker 7: than capitalism?
- 9:45Speaker 1: Community?
- 9:46Speaker 2: Are you tired of sitting alone, being by yourself and
- 9:48Speaker 2: having no one to talk to? Via socilis is all
- 9:51Speaker 2: about Community's about literally sitting down and having coffee with
- 9:54Speaker 2: random strangery and talking to them talking about the game. Hell,
- 9:57Speaker 2: I have hugged more strangers in this past summer because
- 9:59Speaker 2: the the next game, because of the World Cup. Because
- 10:02Speaker 2: socialism works is a watch parties as a zone around hosts.
- 10:05Speaker 2: It's about the parties that we allow. You don't have
- 10:08Speaker 2: cops hoogging every single site and saying.
- 10:10Speaker 1: Oh, you can't be here because there's too many people.
- 10:12Speaker 2: Instead of allowing people just being in their nature, a
- 10:15Speaker 2: natural element of talking to other do blond over things
- 10:18Speaker 2: we love and share, so that what social is? It
- 10:20Speaker 2: ain't scary word.
- 10:21Speaker 1: He ain't me.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Taking your house is about me making sure your house
- 10:24Speaker 2: remains in your hands and some million doesn't take it
- 10:27Speaker 2: from you.
- 10:28Speaker 1: That's it.
- 10:29Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not what it is, Jim. I'm pretty sure
- 10:31Speaker 4: you can talk to people and have coffee without wanting
- 10:35Speaker 4: to give up your freedoms and having the government gather
- 10:37Speaker 4: more and more and more power. But the question is
- 10:40Speaker 4: how convincing is this argument for people who you know
- 10:44Speaker 4: are young or just maybe fed up with what they
- 10:46Speaker 4: think they think of politics right now?
- 10:48Speaker 5: And what's the best counter correct?
- 10:50Speaker 3: Why do I have the nagging feeling that if you
- 10:52Speaker 3: ask that guy, so, what's capitalism he would say, Oh,
- 10:54Speaker 3: it's what they do with the capital state capitals, national capitals,
- 10:58Speaker 3: or it's actually they liked use capital letters and that's
- 11:01Speaker 3: why they're always shouting on social media. That's that's what
- 11:04Speaker 3: capital had got. No, No, oh, my goodness, I'm sure
- 11:07Speaker 3: we're to begin. Well, first of all, I find it
- 11:09Speaker 3: really interesting that his defense of socialism begins with the
- 11:12Speaker 3: victories of the Knicks and the victory the enjoyment of
- 11:14Speaker 3: the World Cup. A bunch of millionaire soccer players and
- 11:18Speaker 3: a bunch of billionaire basketball players.
- 11:20Speaker 1: This is what socialism is all about. No.
- 11:22Speaker 3: No, By the way, they did not reallocate the number
- 11:24Speaker 3: of points in the game so that each team gets
- 11:26Speaker 3: the same amount. I'm kinda struck by this. But like,
- 11:30Speaker 3: on the one hand, he's basically saying, like, it's good
- 11:32Speaker 3: to go out and interact with people always as you
- 11:35Speaker 3: should go out and when you have you have a
- 11:36Speaker 3: cup coffee with a stranger who's paying for the coffee
- 11:40Speaker 3: because my guess is you're going to Starbucks, you go
- 11:42Speaker 3: to some other place. Well, someone had to buy that coffee, ergo.
- 11:47Speaker 3: It was a manifestation of capitalism, not socialism.
- 11:49Speaker 1: There.
- 11:50Speaker 3: Secondly, other than what I'm talking with you, Greg, I
- 11:53Speaker 3: really don't want to talk to strangers when I'm having coffee. Please,
- 11:55Speaker 3: ID bet them. Let me have one cup before you
- 11:57Speaker 3: even start talking to me in the morning. That's that's it.
- 12:00Speaker 3: You one there. But if that is the case, it's
- 12:03Speaker 3: the Democratic Socialist of America who are taking over the
- 12:06Speaker 3: Democratic Party with the ruthless efficiency of the borg taking
- 12:10Speaker 3: over Starfleet's crew members, assimilating them into the collective, assimilating
- 12:16Speaker 3: them into the collectivism, the warmth of collectivism that requires
- 12:20Speaker 3: you to turn down your air conditioning, as mom Dommy said,
- 12:23Speaker 3: like if they really have convinced people that it has
- 12:27Speaker 3: nothing to do with big government, nothing to do with
- 12:30Speaker 3: government taking from people they've deemed too productive, who have
- 12:33Speaker 3: too many resources, people who've done that. Also, he says
- 12:35Speaker 3: in there about some millionaire won't take your house? Now, Greg,
- 12:38Speaker 3: I know you live a little further south than me.
- 12:40Speaker 3: Have you had millionaires running in and just like taking
- 12:42Speaker 3: people's houses now?
- 12:44Speaker 1: I'm cre You know, it's interesting how much they.
- 12:46Speaker 3: Talk about billionaires and all that stuff. You know, Elon
- 12:49Speaker 3: Musk can get out my nerves every now and then,
- 12:51Speaker 3: but he's never stolen my car. I've never seen, you know,
- 12:55Speaker 3: Brita or Warren Buffett break it into my house try
- 12:58Speaker 3: to steal some stuff.
- 12:59Speaker 1: It's interesting.
- 13:00Speaker 3: It's always the folks who have less money who always
- 13:01Speaker 3: seem we wanted to take stuff from me.
- 13:02Speaker 1: I noticed that stuff.
- 13:03Speaker 3: So, on the one hand, like it is, he says,
- 13:07Speaker 3: it's not a scary word. Well, I guess if you
- 13:09Speaker 3: redefine it to simply mean social interactivity.
- 13:12Speaker 1: But yes, it's not such a scary word, right.
- 13:14Speaker 3: If you actually know what socialism has done, particularly the
- 13:16Speaker 3: variant that goes by the name of communism. But as
- 13:19Speaker 3: we discussed numerous times in this podcast, it's all very blurry,
- 13:23Speaker 3: it's all very it's very hard to say with exactly
- 13:25Speaker 3: where socialism stops and communism begins. They keep insisting true
- 13:29Speaker 3: socialism has never been tried. But then when people say, oh,
- 13:32Speaker 3: but then look at Norway again. If we had the
- 13:35Speaker 3: oil and natural resources of Dorway, we could increase a
- 13:37Speaker 3: lot of government spending, if we had all that. Oh
- 13:39Speaker 3: you guys don't like the oil and natural gas drilling.
- 13:41Speaker 3: Oh okay, well that's a really big flaw in your plan.
- 13:44Speaker 1: Then.
- 13:44Speaker 3: So it's kind of sad, like it's sad but revealing,
- 13:48Speaker 3: and I guess I'm glad.
- 13:49Speaker 1: We get to see these kinds of interviews.
- 13:51Speaker 3: But also it's interesting demonstration that the people who are
- 13:54Speaker 3: out there calling for socialism. It's reminded me of the
- 13:57Speaker 3: people who were saying from the river to the sea Palace,
- 14:00Speaker 3: Stein will be free. It had no idea which river
- 14:02Speaker 3: and which sea they were talking about like geography, economics generally,
- 14:07Speaker 3: like we really need just remedial education.
- 14:09Speaker 1: In like like this is a pen.
- 14:12Speaker 3: Really basic stuff needs to get across to these people.
- 14:15Speaker 4: No, it's true, but it's a compelling message if you're
- 14:18Speaker 4: young and maybe you're just getting into politics, says, hey,
- 14:21Speaker 4: this is about just doing stuff together and we're hanging
- 14:24Speaker 4: out and everybody's having fun. And you know, we had
- 14:26Speaker 4: Marco Rubio's speech on Friday about where this really leads,
- 14:31Speaker 4: and so I think that would be a pretty effective
- 14:33Speaker 4: counter effect. But maybe that's a little too formal. What's
- 14:35Speaker 4: the best way to I know you and I aren't
- 14:38Speaker 4: twenty something anymore, but how do you counter that when
- 14:41Speaker 4: this guy seems oh so friendly and this is just
- 14:44Speaker 4: us hanging out.
- 14:45Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing is you know that point of like,
- 14:47Speaker 3: where do you think that coffee came from? Where do
- 14:49Speaker 3: you think the cafe you're sitting in? How you do
- 14:51Speaker 3: you think it's getting a state subsidy? No, you know,
- 14:54Speaker 3: you're not hanging out at a city run grocery store.
- 14:56Speaker 1: You're not sitting.
- 14:57Speaker 3: Around in a government building or something like that. All
- 15:00Speaker 3: of these things are the fruits of capitalism. It always
- 15:03Speaker 3: seems ridiculous to argue against that, But honest to goodness, Greg,
- 15:06Speaker 3: do you think that if you and I describe ourselves
- 15:07Speaker 3: as being anti socialist, people think we are literally antisocial.
- 15:12Speaker 3: You can mudgeonly every now and then, but I think
- 15:15Speaker 3: of myself as a fairly social person.
- 15:16Speaker 1: We're on social media at.
- 15:18Speaker 4: This moment, indeed, indeed, so yes, education is the key,
- 15:23Speaker 4: and let's hope we can do it in a creative way,
- 15:24Speaker 4: because if this is an effective message, and at least
- 15:27Speaker 4: it is in some parts of the country, New York
- 15:29Speaker 4: City certainly being one of them, we've got some work
- 15:31Speaker 4: to do. And I think there are creative people out
- 15:34Speaker 4: there who can push back pretty effectively. But in the meantime,
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- 17:18Speaker 4: and usually piles and piles of murdered citizens roughly one
- 17:23Speaker 4: hundred million since the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in nineteen seventeen.
- 17:27Speaker 4: The worst mass murder of all was China's Mao Zadan,
- 17:31Speaker 4: so naturally today's socialists love him. Let's start with the
- 17:35Speaker 4: guy that we find revolting but apparently is quite influential
- 17:39Speaker 4: on the left, and that is the podcaster Hassan Piker.
- 17:42Speaker 4: He appeared in person to support of Dulsied during his
- 17:47Speaker 4: Michigan primary campaign. Who knows, maybe he'll be back for
- 17:49Speaker 4: the home stretch. Right now, Lsied is talking about how
- 17:53Speaker 4: much he loves Jewish people and Judaism, so I think
- 17:56Speaker 4: he's been reading the polls lately more than having a
- 17:58Speaker 4: change of heart. But nonetheless, we'll see how that goes.
- 18:00Speaker 4: But we start with Hasan Piker. He is also just
- 18:03Speaker 4: a big fan of socialists and communists. In fact, on
- 18:06Speaker 4: his podcast he was extolling the greatness as he sees
- 18:11Speaker 4: it of Mao Zedong.
- 18:13Speaker 8: I got stopped by a cop who thought it was
- 18:15Speaker 8: like making fun of of Mao Zedong, which I never
- 18:17Speaker 8: would and never will. Maose Dong is a is a
- 18:22Speaker 8: one of the great leaders of this world. Okay, a
- 18:26Speaker 8: man who changed the entire universe, the entire planet. Okay,
- 18:34Speaker 8: for real, for real. Yes, I mean there was a
- 18:36Speaker 8: lot of excesses, let's be real, But the People's Republic
- 18:40Speaker 8: of China would not exist without Mao Zedong.
- 18:43Speaker 4: Well, not the communist version. Probably Chen Kai Shak would
- 18:46Speaker 4: have stayed in power. But I mean, this is the guy,
- 18:48Speaker 4: at least as far as we know Chim is responsible
- 18:51Speaker 4: for killing more people than anyone else in the history
- 18:53Speaker 4: of the planet. So I mean, this is not the
- 18:55Speaker 4: one we're supposed to lie in eyes. But nonetheless, he
- 18:58Speaker 4: did win the Commune Revolution in China, and for that
- 19:02Speaker 4: he's a hero in the eyes of Hassan Piker. Never
- 19:04Speaker 4: Mind the tens of millions who got slaughtered.
- 19:06Speaker 3: I was gonna say we're saying tens of millions, because
- 19:09Speaker 3: it's not clear. We're not talking twenty million, We're talking
- 19:13Speaker 3: fifty million, sixty seventy not great on record keepings during
- 19:18Speaker 3: the Cultural Revolution or stuff like that. One Like, I'm
- 19:21Speaker 3: not gonna pretend to be the world's biggest epsir. But
- 19:23Speaker 3: I did read Maw the Unknown Story by Jung Chang
- 19:27Speaker 3: and John Holliday. I'm not going to pretend that it's
- 19:30Speaker 3: light reading. I'm not going to say that it's not.
- 19:32Speaker 3: You know, it can get extremely dark and depressing. But
- 19:35Speaker 3: when you hear somebody saying something like this and it
- 19:38Speaker 3: doesn't smell right, if it just seems like, wait a minute,
- 19:40Speaker 3: I did not hear about people talking about him being
- 19:42Speaker 3: a great guy with some some excesses as they called it.
- 19:46Speaker 3: That's maybe, like I'm gonna call that the euphemism of
- 19:50Speaker 3: the decade. I thought about this yesterday when this, you know,
- 19:53Speaker 3: came across on X. You know, this is not podcast
- 19:57Speaker 3: bro rivalry. I'm sure hasan Piker is always going to
- 20:01Speaker 3: have a bigger audience than you and I do. Although
- 20:03Speaker 3: somebody made a very interesting observation, so he live streams
- 20:06Speaker 3: all day long. Greg, you and I do three martini
- 20:08Speaker 3: lunch because that's the amount of time we have in
- 20:11Speaker 3: our schedule to do something for everyone's like, how did
- 20:14Speaker 3: this podcast come together? Because National Review and Radio America
- 20:18Speaker 3: wanted to find something we could do quickly and would
- 20:20Speaker 3: not include massive about That's why the show is twenty
- 20:23Speaker 3: to thirty minutes. It's not because Greg and I only
- 20:25Speaker 3: have twenty to thirty minutes worth of stuff to say.
- 20:28Speaker 3: Who's watching him all afternoon long? And is this really
- 20:32Speaker 3: a very big and influential demographic in American politics? I
- 20:35Speaker 3: know he's got a big audience, but does he have influence?
- 20:38Speaker 3: And we could ask very similar questions about Jennifer Welch,
- 20:40Speaker 3: Candace Tucker, a whole bunch.
- 20:42Speaker 1: Of folks like that.
- 20:43Speaker 3: But anyway, if you are getting your perspective on history
- 20:47Speaker 3: from Hassan Piker, please stop, please like this. This is
- 20:50Speaker 3: not like, oh this is disputed or oh this But
- 20:54Speaker 3: I think he's telling the truth. I think he genuinely
- 20:56Speaker 3: sees now as a great leader, the causes he believes in,
- 21:01Speaker 3: and he really believes that killing anywhere from fifty to
- 21:04Speaker 3: seventy maybe even eighty million people that was just some excesses.
- 21:08Speaker 1: He went a little too far. No, no excesses is
- 21:11Speaker 1: what I usually do.
- 21:12Speaker 3: Drinking on a Saturday night. Right, That's how you can
- 21:14Speaker 3: put his a category of excesses. Killing deads of millions
- 21:17Speaker 3: of people in this effort to take your country back
- 21:20Speaker 3: to the Stone Age, executing all the intellectual. By the way,
- 21:23Speaker 3: if Piker had been active in China during the Cultural Revolution,
- 21:29Speaker 3: do you think he'd be the sort of person that
- 21:30Speaker 3: the revolutionaries would be cool with? Probably not, they'd execute
- 21:34Speaker 3: you for looking at you the wrong.
- 21:36Speaker 1: Way back then.
- 21:36Speaker 3: But anyway, so just an illuminating state, Like do Democrats
- 21:41Speaker 3: really follow this guy or is he just kind of
- 21:43Speaker 3: some clown who they find entertaining.
- 21:44Speaker 1: If it's the latter, it's less harmful.
- 21:46Speaker 3: But even then, like saying you think Mao was a
- 21:49Speaker 3: good guy, I'd say it's a red flag.
- 21:51Speaker 1: But China already has lots of red legs exactly.
- 21:54Speaker 4: I think this is also an indictment to some extent
- 21:55Speaker 4: of our public education system, because every time somebody on
- 21:59Speaker 4: the left doesn't like someone, of course, they compare him
- 22:01Speaker 4: to Hitler, because I'm pretty sure that's the only historical
- 22:03Speaker 4: event that they're even remotely familiar with, And so.
- 22:05Speaker 5: Everybody's compared to Hitler.
- 22:06Speaker 4: George W.
- 22:07Speaker 5: Bush was Hitler.
- 22:08Speaker 4: You know, every Republican nominee is Hitler. Trump of course
- 22:11Speaker 4: is Hitler in so many different ways in their warped mindset.
- 22:14Speaker 4: And so you should know about Hitler, and he was evil,
- 22:17Speaker 4: but you should also know about Stalin. You should also
- 22:19Speaker 4: know about Lenin. You should also know about Mao and
- 22:22Speaker 4: how horrible pollpot all these people, and how completely awful
- 22:26Speaker 4: and destructive they were, not only to their economy, not
- 22:29Speaker 4: only to their culture, but actually stacking up bodies that
- 22:32Speaker 4: you know probably goes north of one hundred million people
- 22:34Speaker 4: in less than a century. So we need to know
- 22:37Speaker 4: more about this. We've not done a good job of
- 22:39Speaker 4: explaining to people why communism is so bad, and that's
- 22:41Speaker 4: one of the reasons I think it's creeping back in
- 22:43Speaker 4: a little bit, but it's never too late, and so
- 22:45Speaker 4: I think responding to this is the right thing to do.
- 22:47Speaker 1: Greg.
- 22:48Speaker 3: I'm gonna make one Everything you said is correct, but
- 22:50Speaker 3: I'm going to make one minute point that Piker grew
- 22:53Speaker 3: up in Istanbul, Turkey, so technically it's a failure of
- 22:56Speaker 3: the Turkish I say, not really.
- 22:58Speaker 1: A public school system.
- 23:00Speaker 3: He was in his high school years he rode show
- 23:02Speaker 3: horses and you have me in the little dainty uniform
- 23:05Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So again I think it's probably
- 23:07Speaker 3: a failure of the Turkish private school system. By the way,
- 23:10Speaker 3: he was grew up part of his childhood in Ankara,
- 23:12Speaker 3: which used to be my stomping grounds from two thousand
- 23:15Speaker 3: and five two thousand and seven. Never met the guy,
- 23:17Speaker 3: so I, but it's conceivable that at some point back
- 23:19Speaker 3: then he and I are walking in opposite directions down
- 23:22Speaker 3: the street or something like that.
- 23:23Speaker 1: So you get every US public school teacher is like, well,
- 23:26Speaker 1: can't blame this one on me. Yeah, it wasn't me.
- 23:28Speaker 4: Well, they're not responsible for Piker. But if you ask people,
- 23:32Speaker 4: you know, how much they know about Hitler in this
- 23:34Speaker 4: country compared to how much they know about Mao or Stalin,
- 23:36Speaker 4: I think it's a pretty big divide, especially if you
- 23:39Speaker 4: don't remember the Cold War at all. I mean, if
- 23:41Speaker 4: you look at our history books now, the threat of
- 23:44Speaker 4: communism doesn't get nearly as much attention as it should.
- 23:47Speaker 3: I suspect if you asked, you know, young Americans, you know,
- 23:50Speaker 3: to identify Mao, I probably like twenty percent would say
- 23:52Speaker 3: it's the sound that account.
- 23:53Speaker 5: Makes exactly right.
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- 25:09Speaker 4: of the Week, you can vote the Marxist in, but
- 25:11Speaker 4: it can be really hard to vote them out, especially
- 25:14Speaker 4: when there are no more elections, which is exactly what's
- 25:17Speaker 4: happening in Nicaragua. Well, Jim, you're a Reagan fan like me, which,
- 25:22Speaker 4: of course you are, grew up in the Reagan years.
- 25:24Speaker 4: So the biggest scandal during that time, of course, was
- 25:27Speaker 4: Iran Contra. The United States was supporting the Contras, the
- 25:32Speaker 4: freedom fighters against the Marxist Sandinista regime led by Daniel Ortega. Well,
- 25:39Speaker 4: that kind of got exposed. That was kind of a
- 25:41Speaker 4: problem for the Reagan administration in case you weren't around then.
- 25:44Speaker 4: But also Daniel Ortega got voted out of office a
- 25:47Speaker 4: few years after that, the things liberalized a little bit
- 25:49Speaker 4: and he was out of office for quite a while.
- 25:51Speaker 4: But he's back and he's not a big fan of
- 25:53Speaker 4: his political opposition. So he's just decided, you know what,
- 25:57Speaker 4: We're just not going to have elections anymore. Yeah, Nicaragua
- 25:59Speaker 4: was long serving president. Daniel Ortega has said the country
- 26:02Speaker 4: will no longer further elections to prevent the opposition from
- 26:06Speaker 4: coming to power. The eighty year old authoritarian leader has
- 26:09Speaker 4: been in office since two thousand and seven, also said
- 26:12Speaker 4: he would work with the Congress see controls to pass
- 26:14Speaker 4: new laws that would build a wall quote unquote against
- 26:17Speaker 4: the opposition. During the speech in front of thousands of
- 26:20Speaker 4: state employees, who, according to local media, had to be
- 26:22Speaker 4: coerced into attending, big surprise, Ortega said, quote, there will
- 26:26Speaker 4: be no more elections here, so that they, meaning the
- 26:28Speaker 4: opposition parties, can try to seize the government seize power unquote. Jim,
- 26:34Speaker 4: winning elections is not seizing power. Forbidding elections is seizing power.
- 26:38Speaker 4: But what else is new from Daniel Ortega?
- 26:40Speaker 3: You know, if you said we could just get a
- 26:43Speaker 3: some sort of Latin American leader who's willing to agree
- 26:45Speaker 3: to build a wall, you need to be really more
- 26:48Speaker 3: specific in your wishes. Also breaking news on this story,
- 26:52Speaker 3: Daniel Ortega is still alive. For those of us from
- 26:54Speaker 3: memories from the nineteen eighties, a little bit surprised, but.
- 26:56Speaker 1: I'm actually these only eighty.
- 26:59Speaker 3: I figured he had to be older, considering that you
- 27:01Speaker 3: and I remember him from coverage of the Reagan administration.
- 27:04Speaker 3: There's really nothing good about this guy.
- 27:06Speaker 1: We're not really surprised.
- 27:07Speaker 3: I guess you could say he's more of a garden
- 27:08Speaker 3: variety of authoritarian now than the Marxists that he was then.
- 27:11Speaker 3: But let's face it, the sandais like National Liberation Front.
- 27:15Speaker 3: They were always Marxists, they were always Cobby, they were
- 27:17Speaker 3: always that. Also, you're saying, well, if nothing else, at
- 27:20Speaker 3: least the guy makes some good taco shells. No, he's
- 27:23Speaker 3: not connected to the Ortega taco shells at all.
- 27:25Speaker 5: Different ortagas amazing. What's Alle North doing these days? That's
- 27:29Speaker 5: a good point, you know, how do we deal with
- 27:30Speaker 5: this anyway?
- 27:31Speaker 4: I don't know if it's time to get the contrast
- 27:33Speaker 4: back together, but.
- 27:35Speaker 1: You see him knocking on the door like the Bruce Brothers.
- 27:37Speaker 1: We're getting the band back together.
- 27:38Speaker 4: That's the last call of the week for the Three
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