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Targeting ICE and defunding DHS to prop up sanctuary policies · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:04
  Tom Holman says that the ICE surge in Minnesota is over.
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  Holman said the operation has achieved the successful results we came here for, with over 4,000 criminal arrests.
• 0:16
  Not everyone agrees on the success metrics.
• 0:19
  Governor Walsh and Mayor Fry want Trump to pay Minnesota for what they broke.
• 0:24
  Meanwhile, another government shutdown on Friday night.
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  Former immigration judge and now resident fellow in law and policy as Center for Immigration Studies, Andrew Author will tell us which services will be affected and the future of sanctuary state and city policies.
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  And when the world is in trouble, they often call on America to save the day.
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  So what makes America the place where people thrive?
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  What makes us great?
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  America's self-inflicted decline.
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  Are we ready for America's 250th?
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  Viewpoint this Sunday is next to it is time to put away the bias, the lies and deceit and bring forth real talk from real people about real news, providing the out loud truth and capturing the essence of a new generation all in a fast-paced hour.
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  This is Viewpoint This Sunday.
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  Welcome to the weekend news magazine.
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  Privileged to be with you as always, my fellow Americans.
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  Welcome to the broadcast.
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  And uh well, listen, if you remember throughout the election in 2024, you remember seeing Trump on the campaign uh circuit there, articulating his plans to remove criminals, remove the illegal immigrants, secure the border.
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  You remember all those talking.
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  I mean, it was some pretty consistent drum beat.
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  Uh because at that point, remember the the border was uh was an absolute train wreck, something we had never seen in our country before.
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  Really, I mean, no matter where you were from.
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  I think everybody knew it was uh we we were in serious trouble.
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  So many thought it would be impossible, and that candidate Trump was doing, well, what all candidates do, make promises that they have no plans to fulfill, really, right?
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  Isn't that the key?
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  Well, that probably was the first mistake, I guess that they all made.
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  Because I think what's really been shocking so far in the administration is that I think to everybody's uh amazement is that he has indeed secured the border in ways that I don't think anybody thought possible, as bad as it was.
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  And you know, some people forget that moment, but I don't.
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  Uh, the pain was pretty serious.
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  Uh the criminal aspect and all that that was happening in the country.
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  So lots happened.
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  And then you look at the epic center of Minneapolis, Minnesota, what happened there, of course.
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  And that really was uh became put this in the the crosshairs of the left and uh what they're seeking out, which has cost the government shutdown and other problems.
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  And so there we go.
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  That sets the story, friends, where I'd like to start the broadcast today.
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  And we'll do that with a gentleman, Andrew Author is here.
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  You know, Art is he's a former immigration judge, and he's now the resident fellow in law and policy for the Center for Immigration Studies, which is first class.
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  Uh CIS uh is Washington, D.C.
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  and uh research institute really that talks everything immigration.
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  But Art, you have an incredible, uh you've had an incredible career through all of these circles through Washington, D.C.
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  and through immigration and all of that.
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  Take just uh uh just take a quick moment and just tell people just the the real quick highlights, because you you've got a very impressive background.
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  Sure.
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  Actually, thank you uh so much for saying that, Malcolm.
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  In reality, I can't hold a job for any more than a few years.
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  But yeah, no, I started out as a uh as a trial attorney with the former immigration and naturalization service in San Francisco.
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  I eventually became associate general counsel of uh the former INS.
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  Uh I was an advisor to then Attorney General Janet Reno during the Clinton administration.
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  I left INS six weeks before uh September 11th.
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  I had been in charge of uh terrorism and national security cases.
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  I was concerned that we weren't doing enough about that.
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  So I went over to House Judiciary Committee where I became the oversight counsel for immigration.
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  I was in that position on September 11th.
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  Uh and for about five years thereafter.
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  Uh, you know, helped the draft uh and helped uh to get past some uh major la uh legislation, big bills, the real ID Act.
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  So if you have to present all your documents to get a driver's license, you can blame me.
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  Uh and also the uh Intelligence Reform Act of 2004, the USA Patriot Act, uh, and most notably the Homeland Security Act, the act that created DHS.
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  Uh in 2006, I became an immigration judge in the York Immigration Court.
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  I did that job for eight years.
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  Then I went back to Congress uh and I served as the staff director for the National Security Subcommittee under subcommittee chairman uh Ron DeSantis and uh full committee chairman Jason Chaffetz, uh two guys who have gone on to bigger and better things.
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  Uh and then I retired and I went to work for the Center for Immigration Studies.
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  And now I'm honored to be here with you, Mel.
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  Amen.
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  Hallelujah.
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  Well, I gotta tell you, I never do that art.
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  You you know all the times you've been out with me.
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  I you don't remember me ever really doing that.
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  But you know what?
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  I I really want people to know it really is.
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  You you've got I always think about your your pack background, and which really makes you so powerful today to be able to speak about any of these issues.
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  So I wanted people to know you're not just any uh any any old uh commentator fella here.
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  You have a whole uh suitcase of uh knowledge and information.
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  So thank you for doing that, buddy.
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  That was good.
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  That was good.
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  All right, let's talk about here.
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  Uh let's let's first look at uh Tom Holman.
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  Boy, that was something here.
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  He did a press conference on Thursday art.
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  He says it shouldn't be a partisan issue that you arrest public safety threats in the safety and security of a jail.
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  Well, we know that.
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  Releasing public safety threats back into the public is just stupid.
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  Tom is very plain spoken, which I like actually a lot.
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  I hope Congress takes action on sanctuary cities and sanctuary states, he says.
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  Now, before we get into any weeds here, I want to stay up top here a moment.
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  Now I want to ask you this year, because something I'm gonna think about these sanctuary sanctuary cities and states that have been so highlighted throughout all this.
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  You know, with with Democrat Party leaders so committed, really are to the idea of sanctuary cities and states.
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  I mean, it's it's a it's a hard fast thing on the radical left.
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  What do you see in the now that this is out in the open here, we see the damage in the carnage that has happened.
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  What do you see?
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  Is there any end in sight of this, or do you think this is just going to be the way of life now between red and blue?
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  Or do you think there's any hope that that could come to an end?
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  You know, many uh states and localities began adopting sanctuary policies.
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  We're not going to comply with ice detainers.
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  We're not going to allow our cops to provide information to immigration officers.
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  And then that whole uh process just became turbocharged in 2016 with the election of Donald Trump.
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  So, you know, right after Trump is uh elected shortly after he's sworn in, for example, D.C.
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  Mayor Muriel Bowser doubles down on Washington, D.C.'s sanctuary policies.
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  We're not going to cooperate at all.
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  We're a safe zone.
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  And, you know, many of these policies have simply become uh, you know, tendentious and partisan and demagogic uh talking points.
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  You know, this is a place where everybody should be free to live and things like that.
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  But the interesting part about these sanctuary policies, and you know, listen to Tom Holman.
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  The only people that sanctuary policies provide sanctuary to is criminals.
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  I lived in California.
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  I voted against Proposition 187 because I knew that INS didn't have the capacity to do anything with all the information.
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  California wanted to hand over, and I also knew that it wasn't a good idea to uh, you know, uh give immigration officers access to people who were victims of crime, who were witnesses of crime.
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  We wanted those people to come forward.
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  And, you know, Tom and I were colleagues for decades, as you can tell by uh following the timeline that I just laid out.
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  Uh and you know, he and I have very much the same view of that.
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  We want to go after the criminals.
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  You know, we want to go after the dangerous criminals, but we also want to go after the people who engage in drunk driving and engage in domestic violence, because those are what we call upward offenders, Malcolm.
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  You know, the average person drunk drives about 80 to 90 times before they get pulled over.
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  So if you've gotten, you know, uh a local cops pulled you over for drunk driving.
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  We want you in immigration court, we want to get a removal order on you.
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  If you engage in domestic violence, you know, you've probably done it before.
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  Uh your spouse, you know, calls the cops and uh tells them that uh she has a problem with you, and that's almost always the way that that uh the domestic violence goes, not categorically, but usually.
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  So yeah, you know, there is uh, you know, Tom and I have a very similar philosophy as it relates to this.
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  And if you get those people off of the streets, if you get those criminals off the streets, you're a lot more likely to encourage people to go home voluntarily uh without having to go through uh, you know, deportation proceedings, which cost about 17,100.
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  That's been happening, though, getting the getting them off the people volunteering to leave, right?
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  That's that's a big number, isn't it?
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  Yeah, no, we've seen anywhere between about 900,000 and 1.6 million people who have voluntarily left the United States.
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  And this is an important point, Malcolm, that I'd like to focus on very briefly.
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  And that is most Americans have this idea that if you are a foreign national, you come to the United States, you're going to live here forever.
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  That's not true.
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  That's never been true.
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  You know, you and I, unfortunately, to show our age, you're old enough to remember a time when almost all people who crossed the border illegally were single adult males from Mexico.
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  They came and worked in the United States for about nine months.
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  They went back to Mexico, spent their money there, and then you know, repeated the cycle.
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  That was all stopped after September 11th when we beefed up the border.
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  But, you know, even under the Biden administration, even under the last two years of the Biden administration, about 1.2 million people voluntarily departed.
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  So it's not really a surprise that 1.6 million people under the heightened enforcement posture of the Trump administration would go home voluntarily.
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  And that's really driven down uh the elite, the unauthorized population in the United States, in large part thanks to Tom Home and Todd Lyons uh and you know, immigration and customs enforcement and the president's own rhetoric.
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  Okay.
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  You know, uh so you're spelling out ice really became enemy number one uh right.
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  Uh and you can correlate that with your timeline you just explained, Art, with uh Trump coming into office.
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  That became the sticking point.
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  But you remember he ran on the immigration and the illegals, he kind of for uh saw what was happening, even before it became as bad as it was going to become, because that was in Biden's administration, it was like became an epicenter for for just the wild west here in our country.
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  So that's when it became enemy number one.
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  A lot of damage has been done to the reputation of ICE and and so on.
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  And so now I want to get to this very interesting story is a very good segue.
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  Um, these two federal agents that are on leave over untruthful remarks about uh the violent Minneapolis and encounter.
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  Now, I started to see this, as you say, over the last uh day or so, last 24, 36 hours.
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  And as you dive into the story a little bit here, okay.
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  So you just talked about Todd Lyons a moment ago.
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  He's the acting director of immigration customs enforcement, uh, said the agents would be fired and criminally charged uh after the U.S.
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  Attorney's Office of Minnesota completes an investigation into the matter.
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  He says lying under oath is a serious federal offense.
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  And then the attorney for the folks who got shot there, pretty and um and and good, right?
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  Listen to this, I quote, we are really encouraged that the government had the courage to do the right thing.
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  Wow.
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  One can only imagine how someone feels when they're being accused of a crime that they know they did not commit and they're listening to government evidence of that as false.
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  Okay, so that kind of lays it out there a little bit, Art.
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  I was surprised myself to see the headlines.
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  And let me make this point with you right now.
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  If it if this was reverse, and this was coming from the left and Democrat leaders and looking at some of these, how they operate and work themselves, I'm not convinced at all that they would come out with that truth, because that's what we we we lack in our country is any level of truth from these politicians.
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  I don't think we'd ever see this day where they would be saying what they're saying right there.
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  I agree with that attorney for uh those uh folks here.
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  I think that did take some courage.
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  And Todd Lyons coming out with that kind of surprised me because you don't see that, but the fact is we are seeing it now.
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  What do you make of that?
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  I think that's quite fascinating.
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  You know, the the classic question dating back to ancient Rome, who car who watches the watchers?
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  You know, who is it that you know ensures that when police officers, when ICE officers, when ICE agents or border patrol agents go out and do their jobs, that they too are complying with the law.
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  And that's an absolutely crucial part of this.
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  And, you know, it it doesn't surprise me that Lyons would make that statement now, because again, Lyons is an experienced officer.
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  He's not some political hack that got put in there.
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  He's a man with 20 years of law enforcement experience.
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  And if you want a statistic that'll really blow your mind, Tom Holman has 42 years of immigration uh experience.
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  He became a border patrol agent when I was a senior in high school, and I'm not a young man.
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  And you know, people like Lyons and Holman understand that if you cannot police your own ranks, that if you cannot identify the individuals who have engaged in misconduct, you are going to lose the popular support for all of those good agents, and the vast majority of agents are good, diligent, law-abiding agents.
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  You're not going to be able to, you know, support them.
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  Uh, you're not going to have popular support for them.
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  So this is an appropriate step.
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  It's a good thing.
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  This was an incident uh your viewers may or your listeners may remember, where uh a agent where an officer was allegedly hit with a snow shovel, and apparently not all of that story was truthful.
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  So, you know, it it's good that they're doing this, it's appropriate that they're doing it.
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  But doesn't it show a real level of honesty to the public?
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  It's incredible, though, doesn't it?
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  Absolutely.
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  And if you can't show that level of honesty that to the public, if you can't admit when you're wrong, and remember, when you know Holman shows up in Minneapolis, the first thing that he says is, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you, we didn't do this perfectly.
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  Mistakes were made.
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  You know, if you don't fess up to that, then really all that you have is a partisan divide.
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  You have, you know, one side saying, you know, everything you do is bad, and the other side saying everything you know you guys are doing is bad.
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  So you know you hear that from the side of the left, as I mentioned a moment ago, though.
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  Do you serious serious question?
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  Do you think you would?
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  No, I don't think you would.
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  And you know, honestly, you know, actually I can quantify that.
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  How many times did uh DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorcis under the Biden administration go before Congress and say, you know, we have operational control of the Southwest.
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  You had to bring his name up, didn't you?
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  Oh, I sure did.
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  But you know, that was you know, verifiably false.
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  That was not true.
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  And in fact, Mayorcis was impeached in the House specifically because he made that statement so many times when it wasn't true.
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  And, you know, it's it's good.
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  You know, we have a saying in Washington, personnel is policy.
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  And I think that probably, you know, the hiccups, the mistakes that were made in the early days of the Trump II administration were made because you had good people.
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  You had Rodney Scott, you know, career border patrol agent, now in charge of CBP.
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  You had Todd Lyons, career officer.
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  You had Tom Homan, you know, legend uh in immigration enforcement.
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  But you know, I think that, you know, much of the policy uh decision much of the policy decision making was being made by people who didn't bring that kind of experience, that sort of gravitas to the table.
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  Listen, they lost a lot of respect, my archivists in that group did.
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  A lot of respect, Art.
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  I mean, the public was on to their game.
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  They were lying, uh they were lying at all levels, Art.
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  I mean, it was nuts what was going on.
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  I mean, you were seeing the pictures of the videos, and none of it, not a single part of it, not a syllable matched up to what they were selling to the public.
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  I mean, people forget this.
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  That's that was that's criminal in itself, Art.
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  Yeah, and you know, the but uh the blame actually goes even uh broader than simply Biden administration officials.
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  In December of 2022, Harvard Harris did a poll, and Harvard Harris is the gold standard, in my opinion.
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  And they asked people how many uh, you know, migrants were coming over the border illegally uh every uh year.
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  And the public was so poorly informed by the media that the plurality answer was 250,000 to 500,000 people during a year in which two million plus 2.2 million uh plus illegal migrants were coming into the country because you know the media largely hid what was happening at the border, even though it was evident for anybody who wanted to take a look at it.
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  So, yeah, there was a lot of blame.
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  And, you know, we now see the reverse under the uh Trump too administration.
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  The media is highlighting isolated incidents and ignoring the fact that the people that those officers are going after in many cases are exceptionally dangerous people, rapists, child molesters, murderers.
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  Yeah, it's bad.
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  And the media, they just you know, the they have never, in all the years we've been talking, they have never done the right thing.
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  I mean, they're always on the opposite side of the truth.
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  Uh, it's disgusting how the fourth estate has gone so off the edge here.
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  Uh you just can't trust any of the news anymore.
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  And it's the way they even, if it's not an outright lie, they tilt the story.
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  They give the angle that they want to give it.
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  Um, it's pretty it's pretty sick uh what's happened to our media in this country and this kind of uh showcases how bad that is.
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  Now, end of the surge of Minneapolis.
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  Okay, so Holman gets there, as you say, he does the a man.
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  I'll tell you what, he was the right one.
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  And I think everybody can see how powerful the work he did when he got in there.
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  He, you know, but then now he comes out and he he says, okay, we've done our job.
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  We let's see here.
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  Uh 4,000 is the number they're saying that they've uh they've had arrest, uh unprecedented uh and they started to get cooperation.
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  He was talking to various places, and they were starting to do uh cooperate with them.
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  At least that was what was being put out to the public.
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  Now uh so this this playing down is good.
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  But now all of a sudden, Waltz and and Fry come out, the mayor and the governor, and they
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  They want reparations back to the state and the city for the work that they're doing.
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  Tim Waltz says the governor, who is actually uh Barney Fife uh from the original uh show there, you know that.
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  Um that's who he is.
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  That's who he reminds me of.
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  Uh but Tim Waltz, he calls on Trump administration to pay Minnesota for what they broke.
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  And and and I don't want to spend not much time on this, but for the whole Operation Metro surge, he wants them to give the money.
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  Doesn't make any mention of all the criminals you get off the off the uh uh streets and everything that had happened.
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  Uh so uh but was that this uh real quickly, this was the right move for Holman to get in there and do what he did.
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  Uh uh do you agree with that?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  And you know, let me just give you some facts.
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  In uh two weeks after Donald Trump was elected, uh, or was uh came back into office, uh Minnesota A.G.
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  Keith Ellison issued a memo uh that told all the county jails uh in Minnesota that they could not hold criminal aliens for ICE to pick them up.
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  That really was sort of the catalyst for all of this, and the timing was very unusual.
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  Let's put it this way.
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  There are 87 counties in Minnesota, and most criminals aren't held in the 11 uh state penitentiaries.
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  They're held in those 87 county jails uh throughout the land of 10,000 lakes.
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  So when he did that, when Ellison issued that memo, you know, it uh basically made it impossible for ICE to pick up those criminal aliens.
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  Uh and then in May at the commencement address for the University of Minnesota Law School, Tim Waltz calls ICE, Donald Trump's personal Gestapo.
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  So on the one hand, you have an AG opinion letter that you know makes it impossible for ICE to do their job from picking those people up from jails.
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  They have to go into the communities now to find them.
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  And then you have Tim Waltz uh, you know, referring to uh ICE officers as Nazis, stormtroopers, SS, whatever however you want to put it.
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  Bad stuff.
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  So when Waltz makes this demand for reparations, which is what it is, it's like an arsonist who you know is submitting a reimbursement for the gasoline in the matches.
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  Yeah, oh yeah.
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  Uh and you know, but here's the part that that Holman really, you know, the the value added for Holman.
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  He went around to all of those county sheriffs.
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  He went around to the jailers in Minnesota at the state and local level, and he got quite he explained to them what he was doing, what he wanted to do, why they were in the communities, and how those state and local officials could, you know, get uh agents and officers out of the communities and to the jails to pick the people up there.
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  Now you're gonna have Waltz and Fry say, oh, we didn't agree to anything because they have to.
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  Uh, you know, politically, they have to, you know, put their own spin on it.
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  But yeah, Holman talked cop to cop.
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  Oh, he got cop-to-cop cooperation.
• 23:01
  Great.
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  And but you know, uh, no matter what, you're right.
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  They talk two sides of their mouth.
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  They talk one side when they're in meetings with Trump and with Holman and all of that.
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  And Trump and Holman and uh all in lions, then they see them in the public square on the cameras, and they are so they're it's criminal, their voices and the words they use and call them Nazis, calling them evil and calling them a criminal uh uh ICE.
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  Again, they've made them the target, which has blown this whole thing up.
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  And everybody can see it.
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  But again, it's it's it's all what's kind of played out here.
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  All right.
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  So now bringing this all to a head, Art.
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  Uh so now we have a government shutdown.
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  That's the other big story that fits right into this with uh with the Department of Homeland Security and what's gonna take place.
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  Now, the Department of Homeland Security is funded, as we know for the next several years.
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  That was all in that big bill.
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  And uh whether it's beautiful or not, we'll see how it all plays out.
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  But uh that that's funded.
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  But now the the Democrats have flipped the script and flipped the table on this thing, and they're going after things like air travel and uh other aspects, uh TSA and um and uh other uh departments within this because it's very big.
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  Homeland Security is huge.
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  It's one of the biggest government agencies, their budget and everything else is.
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  So now this government shutdown, they're using that to force an issue.
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  I think a lot of this art is because they they weren't relevant.
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  There was no um that they weren't relative over the over the last um year, and I've been telling the listeners this right along.
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  They've been uh, you know, Trump took all the oxygen out of the room on all levels uh over this first year of his administration.
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  And so now they want to be relative to what the real topics are, what's happening out there, and I think this is why they're going after ICE.
• 24:44
  And now they're happy to shut the government down.
• 24:46
  This is gonna get to be a real problem.
• 24:49
  Trump says they're trying to negotiate with him, Trump administration, but I'm not sure they want to negotiate.
• 24:54
  I think they're looking for the pain.
• 24:56
  I don't see how they get around from not being blamed for it, the left, but maybe they maybe you tell me they will get around it somehow.
• 25:02
  In the meantime, things are gonna get, I think the more days and weeks this goes on, you're gonna have some real problems with the Coast Guard.
• 25:10
  You're gonna have some problems with cybersecurity, FEMA, FEMA's gonna be impacted, the TSA.
• 25:16
  These are things that are not so funded as so what what gives here?
• 25:20
  What do you see with this story?
• 25:21
  It's wacky.
• 25:22
  Yeah, no, and I mean, you know, you've really uh highlighted some very important points about this.
• 25:29
  Transportation safety administration uh uh security administration, uh the Secret Service, FEMA.
• 25:35
  You know, we do have uh storm season coming up in the uh, you know, in just a few weeks in the Midwest.
• 25:41
  There will be storms.
• 25:42
  And if there's no money to pay for that, you're gonna have a lot of people who are gonna be looking to assign blame.
• 25:49
  Now, the Democrats have put out a list and it changes about what they want to see.
• 25:53
  One of the things that they want is body cameras.
• 25:55
  And now here's the curious thing, Malcolm.
• 25:58
  Uh the Trump administration almost immediately agreed, sure, no, we'll put body cameras on every ICE officer because whenever you see those little vignettes on TikTok or Twitter, you only see a few seconds of the interaction between private citizens and ICE officers.
• 26:13
  When those ICE officers are wearing body cams all the time, you're actually going to see, you know, what happened before.
• 26:19
  It's like a football game.
• 26:20
  I compare it to a football game, uh, where you have a uh personal uh foul thrown uh uh because somebody retaliated after they got cheap shotted.
• 26:30
  As soon as those ICE officers have uh the body cameras, you're gonna see the cheap shot uh and you're gonna see what the response was.
• 26:38
  The other thing that they want, and this is really curious because I don't think they really understand what they're asking for is judicial warrants.
• 26:44
  They want ICE to only be able to arrest people for judicial warrants.
• 26:48
  I could, you know, you and I have discussed this in the past, so I'll go over really quickly, but ICE uh by statute has the ability to arrest uh aliens with administrative warrants issued by high-level ICE officials, high-level border patrol officials.
• 27:03
  If you require ICE to go out and get judicial warrants, that is going to impose such an onerous burden, not only on ICE, but on the U.S.
• 27:11
  attorney's offices and on district court judges and on magistrate judges.
• 27:16
  Basically, what you would do is you would shut down the federal judiciary if this went forward.
• 27:21
  But you know, it's it's a fun word to say.
• 27:23
  They don't really understand what it means.
• 27:24
  They don't really understand the implications of it.
• 27:27
  But if they got that, Malcolm, you know what would occur?
• 27:30
  Instead of arresting aliens for civil, you know, deportation uh offenses, putting them in removal proceedings, you're gonna go after them for criminal uh proceedings for a looting inspection, which is a felony uh sentenzable up to two years for the second or subsequent time you do it.
• 27:48
  You're gonna go after them for failing to register with the government, which is a misdemeanor, get you six months in jail.
• 27:54
  You're gonna go after them for failing to depart uh under an order of deportation.
• 28:00
  That's a felony that will get you four years in jail.
• 28:03
  So, you know, the cascading effects of you know, this demand uh are you know, something I don't think that the Democrats really understand.
• 28:11
  They also want, you know, you can't go anywhere near a school or a hospital, a church.
• 28:16
  Right now, ICE doesn't go into schools, hospitals, or churches uh because in unless they are actually going after someone who is a very high profile criminal.
• 28:27
  That's it.
• 28:27
  That's it.
• 28:28
  Yeah.
• 28:28
  If you're if you're a child molester and you're you know working in a uh uh elementary school, they're gonna go into that school and get you.
• 28:35
  They're not gonna go after the kids.
• 28:37
  So what do you think happens with the shutdown?
• 28:40
  What do you see?
• 28:41
  What what happens in your view?
• 28:43
  So I think the media is going to frame this as, you know, the Democrats are completely in the right to make these demands that the Trump administration is unreasonable.
• 28:52
  Uh, but I think it's going to impose a lot of pain on the American people.
• 28:56
  Again, FEMA.
• 28:57
  Uh, you know, there will be disasters, and if there's no money to pay for it, that's going to be a problem.
• 29:01
  TSA, when flights start getting shut down, Americans get really angry.
• 29:05
  Oh, yeah, it's gonna be a problem.
• 29:06
  It's gonna be a problem.
• 29:07
  So who says uncle first?
• 29:09
  So I think that this is one of those things where you know, experienced calm people.
• 29:14
  Remember, I I helped uh, you know, draft uh and you know, helped members pass a lot of important bills, and I understand how that process works.
• 29:23
  Each side gives a little, I think that you're gonna end up with, you know, at the end of the day, hopefully, with a better run, more sensible immigration system.
• 29:32
  I think a lot of those sanctuary jurisdictions, I think that you're gonna see funding potentially pulled from them.
• 29:38
  And in exchange for that, you're going to have, you know, written protocols that ICE officers, the kind of protocols that you know, Rodney Scott, Todd Lyons, Tom Homan, you know, they don't have a problem with.
• 29:49
  Uh, so you know, I think it's going to be one of those things where there's going to be pain.
• 29:54
  Yeah.
• 29:54
  Yeah, there's going to be negotiations.
• 29:55
  There's going to be a period of pain.
• 29:57
  I think that, you know, you will have a resolution.
• 30:00
  And all of this will go on.
• 30:01
  But, and here's an important point because you referred to it.
• 30:04
  The one big beautiful bail act provided a lot of things to uh immigration officers, including bonuses, sign on bonuses, and things like that.
• 30:13
  But the actual uh pay, the the money that they get every two weeks under the federal system, that actually comes out of appropriation.
• 30:21
  So they won't be getting paid uh during that period of time.
• 30:24
  They can get bonuses, but they won't get pay.
• 30:27
  And so, you know, that will, you know, have an impact on them too, but not as big an impact as it's going to have on TSA Secret Service.
• 30:35
  So you're thinking something good, Mike.
• 30:37
  You're you're you're really articulating here that at the end, as they come together and negotiate this forward.
• 30:41
  This could be a good thing.
• 30:42
  Yeah, I think you're you're uh I'm surprised with that, but I think that's what you're saying, right?
• 30:46
  There could we could come up with a better uh program here for ICE and all of that.
• 30:51
  You're you're suggesting.
• 30:52
  Yeah, so long as you know the administration sends it to sends in its A team of negotiators, so long as you know, experienced people like Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the House of the Senate Judiciary Committee, so long as they personally get involved.
• 31:07
  Chuck Rassley's been involved in this field for longer than even Tom Homan's been involved.
• 31:12
  He understands you know what works and what doesn't, but you know, you're gonna see a lot of posturing and you're gonna see a lot of pain.
• 31:18
  And how long does this go on for you?
• 31:20
  This is probably gonna, I'm gonna guess here.
• 31:22
  I mean, would you would you agree?
• 31:24
  Probably a couple three weeks, I'm thinking.
• 31:26
  What do you think?
• 31:27
  Yeah, I mean, it's either going to be resolved in a week and a half, two weeks, or this is going to drag on for six to eight weeks.
• 31:34
  Yeah.
• 31:35
  And again, it's going to be the posturing, it's going to be the bloviating.
• 31:39
  It's going to be all of the children in the room who stay up their feet until the adults, you know, go into the I think it has the potential to go on pretty long.
• 31:46
  All right.
• 31:47
  Yeah.
• 31:47
  No, I I have no doubt.
• 31:49
  And I think that we're going to see a real impact on flights, which is going to be a problem.
• 31:53
  We got spring break coming up.
• 31:54
  Yep.
• 31:55
  We got summer travel coming up.
• 31:56
  People want to make their reservations.
• 31:58
  They want to know that they can't.
• 31:59
  The president's not going to be happy with this at all.
• 32:01
  And a lot of this is the last time.
• 32:03
  Also did damage to the uh to the economy, slowed it down, screwed it up.
• 32:07
  This is what I meant earlier when I referenced the fact that the left is looking for a fight.
• 32:11
  When you're not relevant, and there's no relevancy happening, and they haven't been relevant for the past year, Art.
• 32:18
  This is what I see is the scape code.
• 32:20
  You have to make yourself relevant.
• 32:23
  And that's what that's what their game plan here is.
• 32:25
  When they get back in those back smoky filled rooms or whatever, they blow smoke up their backsides.
• 32:30
  You know how that goes.
• 32:31
  I think that's what they're talking about.
• 32:32
  How do we become relevant again?
• 32:34
  Because nobody's talking about us, man.
• 32:36
  I really see that as the impetus for a lot of these fires that they're putting out there.
• 32:40
  They're looking for something to bite into to really screw the president's agenda up because the president's he's whistling Dixie all day long, down the path he goes, and things are hopping along.
• 32:51
  He's getting a lot of stuff what he wants, right?
• 32:53
  Yeah.
• 32:54
  Right?
• 32:54
  Absolutely.
• 32:55
  And let me, you know, let me just focus in on one critical point.
• 32:58
  Yeah.
• 32:59
  One critical point.
• 33:00
  You know, the port of Long Beach, California is, you know, the largest port in the world.
• 33:04
  Yeah.
• 33:05
  If CBP can't do port inspections, if they can't check the stuff that's coming in, all that is a DHS responsibility.
• 33:12
  The Port of Long Beach shuts down.
• 33:13
  The Port of New York, New Jersey shuts down.
• 33:15
  The Port of Charleston shuts down.
• 33:17
  And you know, that really is an economic cost that, you know, yeah, probably there are people in Congress who wanted derail the Trump economy.
• 33:25
  You know, this is the way to do it.
• 33:27
  This is the way to do it.
• 33:28
  It's the way to do it.
• 33:29
  They don't have another way to do it, Art.
• 33:30
  What else the hell the hell are they going to do?
• 33:32
  Everything else is going well.
• 33:33
  Yeah, no.
• 33:34
  I, and you know, much in the same way that COVID came along and gave the Democrats a real advantage to tank what had been a great Trump economy the first time.
• 33:43
  Don't be surprised that the same thing doesn't happen this time.
• 33:46
  That's what they're doing right now, Art.
• 33:47
  I'm telling you.
• 33:48
  And I don't hear anybody saying what what we just said.
• 33:51
  And my gut tells me that's what this is.
• 33:54
  And I've been building to this, but I mean, this relevancy is a big deal.
• 33:57
  And that's what they're looking for right now.
• 33:59
  They need something uh to bite into to push back, and they want to screw that economy up.
• 34:04
  And let's face it, inflation, job numbers, everything else, it's headed in the unbelievable direction.
• 34:08
  You see, you see Scott Besson out there, Treasury Secretary saying, man, he said, well, he started talking several months back about 26 is going to be a powerful year for everybody.
• 34:17
  People are getting more money in their taxes, things are being happier, gas energy is way low.
• 34:21
  I mean, this is not good for the left if you're coming into a midterm election, and you need a you need to try to reverse the House and Senate.
• 34:28
  Uh there, there, there, everybody listener.
• 34:30
  You we just laid out a strategy for you now as to what the what's behind all of this with this and with the election coming up.
• 34:37
  Makes for interesting.
• 34:38
  However, the one thing Art, and I'll end it here, is they don't recognize their playing with Donald Trump.
• 34:44
  And when it comes to the art of any deal or anything else, he typically knows a smells of the room pretty good.
• 34:50
  And so that's the one thing I think they're uh don't have figured out, you know what I'm saying.
• 34:55
  So I think we did it art.
• 34:58
  I think we ran right around this topic in a big in a big way.
• 35:01
  Um it's good to hear you today.
• 35:02
  Thank you for jumping on with us, Art.
• 35:04
  Always great to uh be on Malcolm.
• 35:06
  It's been too long.
• 35:07
  I hope the next time we get together, it'll be soon.
• 35:10
  And I hope we're going to be talking about, you know, some sort of uh package that's good for the American people that's going to make our country safer, stronger, and more prosperous.
• 35:18
  Well, I think we're headed somewhere, and you laid out a very compelling case at the end there, which I was so happy to hear about what you thought uh that it could be uh a uh silver lining and all of this.
• 35:27
  And we need a couple of silver linings at this point, especially in the field of immigration.
• 35:31
  It's been such a train wreck for too long since the Obama years.
• 35:34
  It's been a it's been a mess.
• 35:35
  And there's a price to pay for all that out there, friends.
• 35:38
  There's a price to pay for that.
• 35:40
  So tremendous thank you here uh to our dear friend Andrew Author.
• 35:44
  Uh, you learnt a lot here today, friends, in the thing.
• 35:47
  Now, you also want to learn a lot, and let me tell you real quickly, and I want Art to hear this as well.
• 35:51
  But uh you've been picking up on the fact.
• 35:54
  Uh, this is our semi-quincentennial, which we'll talk about next in a moment here on the next segment.
• 35:59
  We got something interesting coming up here.
• 36:00
  I'll tell you about that in a sec here.
• 36:02
  Uh, but um uh this is a big year, 250 years, our semi-quincentennial for the nation, but it's also a big year for America out loud and art.
• 36:10
  We turned 10 years old this year, uh, so it's it's uh 10 incredible years, a decade that we've been at this in 2026.
• 36:17
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• 36:21
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• 36:33
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• 36:38
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• 36:39
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• 36:43
  We're right in the middle of it, having a toast, um, having some great food and a toast and celebrating this uh moment.
• 36:49
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• 36:51
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• 36:53
  Uh there's gonna be it's educational entertainment, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
• 36:57
  We're gonna learn a lot.
• 36:58
  The topics are incredible.
• 37:00
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• 37:02
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• 37:07
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• 37:09
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• 37:20
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• 37:21
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• 37:23
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• 37:32
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• 37:43
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• 37:43
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• 37:51
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• 38:02
  There's gonna be a spectacular moment uh for uh our country for sure and this network.
• 38:08
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• 38:09
  Like it's what do they say?
• 38:10
  19 song though, celebrate like it's 1999.
• 38:13
  I don't know.
• 38:14
  Is there a song like that, Art?
• 38:15
  Something like that, right?
• 38:16
  Yes, there is.
• 38:18
  I thought so.
• 38:19
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• 38:24
  All right.
• 38:24
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• 38:27
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• 38:33
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  It is indeed Malcolm Out Loud.
• 41:26
  And all right, we're going to talk a little bit here about the that the golden eggs.
• 41:31
  And what an image on this post.
• 41:33
  You got to go check this out.
• 41:35
  And it'll be under the uh uh on the front page there of America Loud.news, or as always, if it's a story we're talking about on radio here, you can get it under the hot button stories as well.
• 41:47
  Uh and so either be either one, you either see it on the front page and killing the goose that laid the golden eggs, America's self-inflicted decline.
• 41:56
  And sometimes we feel that way, friends.
• 41:58
  Sometimes we do.
• 41:59
  Joining me on the broadcast now is uh one of the hardest working gentlemen in this business.
• 42:07
  How do you say that?
• 42:08
  And then you then you take a moment and pause just to make it that much more serious, and that is constitutional scholar, author, speaker.
• 42:17
  Paul Engel is here.
• 42:18
  And you know, where else do you get introductions like that, Paul?
• 42:21
  I Malcolm, no one else introduces me like you, and you got the the website comes up with these awesome images.
• 42:28
  You know, I come up with the words, but the images are just gorgeous.
• 42:32
  You do a great job, brother.
• 42:33
  You really do a great.
• 42:35
  I don't tell you that enough.
• 42:36
  And I thought to myself this morning, I thought I gotta tell Paul how good he is.
• 42:41
  And sometimes we have to do that, friends.
• 42:43
  And Paul is, he's a big part of this.
• 42:45
  I just love the guy and uh love what he does here.
• 42:48
  Uh, and he's really dedicated his life to two important documents.
• 42:52
  One is the Bible, which he teaches and as it really is uh very versed in.
• 42:58
  And the other is the Constitution, a declaration of independence, and uh it's a Mason, Paul.
• 43:03
  So what you've done there, and then you've dedicated your life to that to uh so and you can hear Paul every day, by the way, weekdays, Monday through Friday when I say every day, but you hear that on the America Rot Lauder Talk Rated Network, 4 p.m.
• 43:14
  Eastern.
• 43:14
  Write it down and make it a point to tune in to what Paul is doing at 4 p.m.
• 43:19
  Monday through Friday, please.
• 43:20
  All the shows go to podcast the next day, of course.
• 43:23
  So, okay, killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.
• 43:27
  You say, in many ways, Paul, America is metaphorically like a goose.
• 43:30
  Sure, we have tremendous natural resources, but so do other countries.
• 43:34
  America.
• 43:35
  So listen to the statin.
• 43:36
  I didn't realize it was like this.
• 43:38
  America has 4% of the world's population.
• 43:40
  Okay, we we kind of know that with that 30 million is it on any given day, 50 million, something like that, Paul.
• 43:46
  It floats dependent.
• 43:47
  Uh, but we contribute to 25% of the world's economy.
• 43:51
  That makes us the economic juggernaut that we are.
• 43:54
  When the world is in trouble, they often call on America to save the day.
• 43:58
  So, what makes America the place where people thrive?
• 44:00
  What makes us great?
• 44:01
  You know, a lot of people have gotten uh troubled with that point, Paul.
• 44:04
  That's the America first agenda, MAGA.
• 44:06
  They've gotten trouble with the fact that America has really uh I sometimes say it has become the world's bitch.
• 44:12
  Now, people don't like to hear it that way.
• 44:14
  It doesn't sound nice, uh Paul.
• 44:16
  But in many ways, people feel that way.
• 44:18
  And there's kind of a fight here, even on our network for those who have had enough and those who think we should be in all those places.
• 44:24
  What do you think of that?
• 44:25
  Well, there to me, there's a difference between recognizing what made America, what's made America great, and our desire to how we go about spreading that idea.
• 44:37
  See, frequently well, first example, take World War II, right?
• 44:42
  Europe is in trouble, Europe is burning, uh, England's about to fall.
• 44:46
  They need power, they need resources, they need help to protect a uh a democratic system from a totalitarian one.
• 44:56
  Right.
• 44:57
  And who do they call?
• 44:58
  They call the United States.
• 44:59
  Why?
• 44:59
  Because we can produce more stuff faster than anybody in the world.
• 45:04
  It was truly the economic might of the United States that was, I believe, what swung the war when we entered in and end of 41, beginning of 42.
• 45:13
  It's when you saw the change.
• 45:15
  You look later, so you get Korea, you get Vietnam where we're dragged in because of our international uh uh affiliations, what Washington warned us not to become involved in, and we get dragged into these wars where there's a there's not a strong message, right?
• 45:34
  It's come help us, but don't really help us, or come help us, but our politicians aren't really willing to to help us.
• 45:41
  Then you look at Iraq, and to me, Iraq and Afghanistan were a fundamental change because we went from you're in trouble, you're being attacked, we're coming to help you, to you've been bad people, and now we want to impose our idea of life upon you.
• 46:02
  And that to me was the reason both Iraq and Afghanistan became such quagmires because you're you're you're trying to get a leopard to change its spots.
• 46:11
  You know, you think of the first Iraq war.
• 46:13
  What did we do?
• 46:14
  Uh, you know, Kuwait was invaded by Iraq, we went in and beat up the Iraqis, and then we went home.
• 46:20
  And you're talking nation building here, which people do not want to do, and and uh and pushing our form of what they call a democracy, but really it's not.
• 46:28
  But pushing that out onto people in the world.
• 46:30
  Uh do you have we changed from that mindset, Paul, or are people still is that's still a fight here where people because I don't want any part of that.
• 46:37
  Oh, it's it's still a fight because look what happened when they they picked up Madura in Venezuela.
• 46:42
  People are complaining.
• 46:43
  They said, well, you left those the rest of his administration there.
• 46:47
  And the point, yeah, we we we're not trying to turn Venezuela into uh a little America where we we had a person who had a criminal indictment in the United States, and we had the military pick him up because New York police department doesn't work in Caracas.
• 47:06
  Right, right.
• 47:06
  But they also were right, but they were a lot of things were going wrong.
• 47:09
  Venezuela was sort of a linchpin for a lot of things wrong.
• 47:12
  And in fact, with Cuba and drugs and our country, you know, Trump had a lot of reasons.
• 47:16
  But when Trump makes the statement, let me ask you this, Paul.
• 47:18
  When Trump makes the statement that and the media ask him, Well, what are we gonna do in Venezuela?
• 47:22
  And to your point, yeah, that's true.
• 47:24
  But then he says, Well, we're gonna run it.
• 47:25
  And people like were aghast.
• 47:27
  Their mouse fell on the phone.
• 47:28
  What the hell do you mean we're gonna run it?
• 47:29
  What do you think he meant by that?
• 47:31
  Um, if I take him his word, he wants to nation build.
• 47:34
  He wants he wants Venezuela to effectively become sort of like Puerto Rico, if not officially a U.S.
• 47:41
  territory, effectively a U.S.
• 47:43
  territory.
• 47:43
  That was said, actually.
• 47:44
  That was said, actually.
• 47:45
  So what do you think about that?
• 47:47
  Uh I think I think it's a bad idea.
• 47:50
  Because again, you know, the the interesting thing about to me, what made America great again is we should what made America great in the first place was we showed the world what things could be like and people wanted to join.
• 48:02
  Yeah.
• 48:03
  And that to me is a big deal.
• 48:04
  As opposed to, well, look at how great we are.
• 48:07
  We're gonna force you to be like us.
• 48:09
  And I think that's that that that arrogance, that problem that says we know better than everybody else how the world should be, and we want to impose that on others rather than saying, look at how great things are.
• 48:19
  That's a big point.
• 48:20
  Yeah, it's a big thing.
• 48:21
  Um, you know, what where is it in scripture?
• 48:24
  He said, uh, people will ask you about the love you have.
• 48:27
  Be prepared for an answer.
• 48:29
  He didn't say force them to do the same things.
• 48:31
  He said, give them a reason.
• 48:33
  So reason.
• 48:35
  In many ways, you think we're losing our way, which is part of what you speak about on a daily basis.
• 48:40
  And when you when you put questions like this and that piece about the the golden egg, the goose that laid the golden egg, you say here, so why do so many people have to enjoy the benefits of live living in America try so hard to destroy what makes it unique?
• 48:53
  That's a great question.
• 48:54
  I'd like every American to answer that, actually.
• 48:57
  And then you say, why do so many politicians think America is the only country that should not defend its borders?
• 49:02
  And these are great questions you got here.
• 49:04
  This piece was startling to me when I've read through it.
• 49:06
  I said, This this goose piece is really something else.
• 49:09
  Um, why should our property be the only one where the owners do not control it?
• 49:14
  Uh, why do we appoint so many judges bereft of a basic understanding of the founding documents?
• 49:19
  Hello, anybody home?
• 49:21
  Why are we so willing to ignore the rule of law when it comes to our political opponents and why are so many Americans willing to kill the proverbial goose that has laid the golden egg of freedom?
• 49:30
  I think because of ignorance, Paul.
• 49:32
  I think it's ignorance.
• 49:32
  I think they people forget.
• 49:34
  People have short memories in this country and they forget a lot of this and they take America for granted.
• 49:39
  But I think you're spelling out we can do both things.
• 49:42
  We can walk and chew gum at the same time, you're saying, I think.
• 49:46
  Yeah, you know, it's recognizing that uh, you know, you you talk about judges, and I have a big thing about judges and attorneys, not partially because based on my research, they don't teach the constitution in law school.
• 49:59
  And
• 50:00
  The fact that you can get a degree in American law without even reading the Supreme Law of the Land.
• 50:05
  I think they should demand their money back.
• 50:07
  But it's this this we talk about the goose that laid the golden egg of freedom.
• 50:11
  We talk about our economic power, our military power, just our our right protection that has made America not only fiscally successful, you know, we're the last superpower in the world.
• 50:24
  And others are trying, but there was a reason why millions of people wanted to come to our shores and become Americans.
• 50:33
  They didn't come to our shores to bring their country to us.
• 50:36
  They want to become Americans because of all the opportunities.
• 50:40
  And there's a generation that has been raised being told that America is evil, that everything we do is evil, everything we do is wrong.
• 50:49
  And uh, I think it was it was uh was it Marks or Lenin that said, you know, give me your children at age four, and I'll have socialists for life.
• 50:58
  I think it was Lenin, you keep, I think believe it is that said that.
• 51:00
  But yeah, and that's where you're talking America's self-inflicted decline.
• 51:03
  That's what you're speaking about, right?
• 51:05
  Yes, we've we've we've raised generations that don't understand uh they don't know what freedom is.
• 51:10
  They send they assume freedom is the natural order of the world when it is not.
• 51:16
  Oh man, that's well said.
• 51:17
  That all right, I'm gonna talk about 250.
• 51:19
  America's 250.
• 51:21
  Uh, you had another post here.
• 51:23
  Uh Are you ready for America's 250?
• 51:26
  Uh and and this is where you uh really uh the emphasis in this again is the word I just used was ignorance a little bit.
• 51:32
  So you say here, I have to wonder are we the people truly ready to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the publication of the declaration of independence?
• 51:41
  And that's where your job comes in, Paul, because you try to get people to read it all the time and teach them right from wrong and what makes America unique, which you'll be doing in Nashville with us when we get there in July.
• 51:52
  You'll be you'll be with us in Nashville talking about this uh in panel discussions and speaking and just all kinds of cool things.
• 51:59
  And um and this is we're a real opportunity, so we can teach others.
• 52:05
  Uh so uh I guess we can be ready for America 250 if we do our job right and if we can get more people to come out and join us in Nashville and set the record straight.
• 52:13
  What do you think?
• 52:14
  Well, to me, it's it's it's an individual question, all right?
• 52:18
  Is an individual ready because you go back to the declaration.
• 52:22
  Of course, we all remember you know the whole these truths be self-evident that all men are created equal, they're endowed by their creator by with these certain unanimal rights, and among these are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
• 52:32
  We all remember that.
• 52:34
  What we don't remember are the 27 specific grievances the colonies had against the king.
• 52:41
  And of course, we were all taught, right?
• 52:43
  Uh taxation without representation, which is true.
• 52:45
  It was in the list at number 17 out of 27.
• 52:50
  Okay.
• 52:50
  So I look at these, and I've done this for several years.
• 52:53
  Can I uh can I make those same grievances?
• 52:56
  Can I apply those to our government in Washington, DC today?
• 52:59
  And the answer is yes.
• 53:01
  So when I say, are we ready?
• 53:03
  Do we realize that the things that our forefowners were willing to declare themselves independent to fight for, are happening today.
• 53:12
  And we just kind of sit around and say, Oh hum, that's just the way it is.
• 53:16
  Right.
• 53:16
  You know, you can't fight City Hall, except you can.
• 53:19
  Yeah.
• 53:20
  And I we are so blessed because our founding fathers shed blood.
• 53:25
  Um, I I think it was John Adams that said, um, you know, if in a hundred years uh we don't have freedom, we will we will I will repent in heaven of the pains we took to buy you freedom if you don't maintain it.
• 53:39
  Wow, wow the paraphrase.
• 53:41
  And it's we look at this and say, wait a second.
• 53:44
  These drove our people to war to take up arms against most powerful nation in the world, but we live in a time where we don't need to pick up arms to do this.
• 53:53
  We just need to be citizens, yeah.
• 53:56
  And not just in name only.
• 53:58
  We need to be willing to.
• 53:59
  I'm not only am I gonna vote, but I'm going to pay attention to who I'm voting for.
• 54:04
  I'm vetting them for a job.
• 54:06
  I'm gonna know what my rights are.
• 54:07
  So when they break, when they violate those rights, I can push back, and I know how to do so legally and honorably.
• 54:13
  You and we have these opportunities, and we just fail to exercise them.
• 54:17
  You're such an important voice for an important time.
• 54:20
  Uh you hear you now.
• 54:22
  So everybody, you can hear Paul on the stage.
• 54:24
  You can hear him talking this way, and this is really accurate and the impact he will have on people.
• 54:30
  Uh, some of the things we want to be talking about out there, by the way, um, is what defines one nation under God.
• 54:36
  Uh, winning strategies to preserve another 250 years of freedom, what Paul calls the redeclaration of America, really, is what he's speaking about here.
• 54:46
  Uh, inspire in America's youth for the next 250 years, and that really gets into our education as well.
• 54:52
  How to break the Rockefeller stronghold on health care.
• 54:56
  I mean, come on.
• 54:57
  Climate and geoengineering threats, are they real?
• 55:00
  That's important.
• 55:01
  Redefining healthcare from the post-COVID ashes, right?
• 55:06
  America first, nationalism versus globalism, America's mental health conundrum, good versus evil in a Christian America, you know, faith and family, the nucleus of America, you know, um uh cultural wars, uh, the battle against radical wokeness.
• 55:23
  Will AI proliferation jeopardize the human race?
• 55:26
  That's some great topics.
• 55:28
  That's some great conversation.
• 55:30
  And those will be people there in Nashville with us on stage, Paul, and talking about panel discussions and having some great talk and just really, and it's gonna be entertainment education.
• 55:40
  So tell me as we wrap up, I only have a minute left here, but uh are you excited about this or what?
• 55:45
  Oh, I'm really looking forward to it.
• 55:47
  And in fact, uh, I'm not only am I reaching out to my audience, I'm reaching out to people to see if we can go.
• 55:52
  Luckily, I live in the Nashville area, so I can have I'm trying to get my local people to come join me up there, but I'm also finding interesting thoughts and ideas that I want to bring up there.
• 56:02
  Uh, I uh that, you know, I don't know if we're gonna have time for them, but it's the idea of of a melting pot of ideas, yeah, where we can take the best ideas and figure out how to use them to again protect our rights, defend our rights.
• 56:16
  Because when we're defending, if I'm defending my rights and you're defending your rights, we teach all the other listeners to defend their rights, well, then we make a tremendous difference in this nation and in this world, yeah, because individually, I just need to make my life in my neighborhood a little bit better for my daughter.
• 56:32
  And when you do that at scale, it makes a tremendous difference.
• 56:35
  It's gonna be incredible, it's gonna be incredible.
• 56:37
  And uh, I mean, we're gonna be there for a few days, Paul.
• 56:39
  We're gonna be able to uh, you know, the the cool thing is we're gonna be able to meet all of us will be meeting each other.
• 56:45
  For many people we know each other well.
• 56:46
  Uh, we have about 80 show hosts and writers, and and new shows launching in the next couple of weeks again, friends.
• 56:52
  You can't believe the growth of what's happening here.
• 56:54
  But when you think about that, a lot of us we know each other well, but we haven't met in person, a lot of us, and this is gonna be a very special moment.
• 57:02
  There'll be a lot of embracing, a lot of love, a lot of hugs, and our audience, our listeners and our readers and the people who've been here 10 years, 10 years of growth.
• 57:11
  That's why it's called America Out Loud, 25010, Nashville.
• 57:17
  That's the event, friends.
• 57:18
  It's at that Marriott, the Grand Marriott property downtown the Sheraton.
• 57:22
  It is a beautiful, beautiful uh uh hotel.
• 57:27
  And we'll go we take the whole thing over, the whole thing over, downtown there.
• 57:30
  And we'll take Nashville over as well.
• 57:32
  We've got to do some real cool stuff there.
• 57:33
  So, anyways, I'm gonna leave you with that thought.
• 57:35
  Join us out there.
• 57:36
  Early bird is right now.
• 57:38
  If you want to be there, then the VIP will sell out.
• 57:41
  So you need to move quickly.
• 57:42
  We're early in on all of this because we we launched it uh about a month on a month and a half ago, I guess, or something like that.
• 57:49
  Uh, we were we were in this thing really, really early.
• 57:51
  So, Paul good.
• 57:52
  Thanks for jumping on here with the goose and the golden egg and uh and reminding people of the importance of all this, and we look forward to seeing your Nashville, brother.
• 58:00
  And uh, it's gonna be good stuff, Paul.
• 58:02
  So I'm looking forward to see you and everyone and all my I've invited all my audience to come up and say hello because I want to shake their hands and see them.
• 58:08
  It's gonna be wonderful.
• 58:09
  That's it.
• 58:10
  Keep telling people that that's amazing.
• 58:12
  Yeah, so it's gonna be really, really amazing.
• 58:14
  We are looking forward to it.
• 58:15
  Paul is going to be a very instrumental uh voice out there, and somebody's gonna have a big impact in this thing.
• 58:20
  So, friends, that's a wrap here.
• 58:22
  Big thank you here, the constitutional scholar, Paul Engel here, and uh, and up top of the program, the uh fabulous immigration judge, Andrew Author.
• 58:30
  I think he's gonna make it out to Nashville as well.
• 58:32
  He was uh so shocked when I was telling everybody about he said, Malcolm, I love the sound of this here.
• 58:37
  Uh so he's learning a little bit about it as well here.
• 58:40
  Friends, we'll we'll see you back on the site here, MacRar Loud.news and uh help us share the out loud truth.
• 58:45
  God bless you, jumping your step here.
• 58:47
  And you thank you for joining me on the mission.
• 58:48
  It's time to get involved and get loud, America.