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The Oklahoma City Bombing · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Kanye mcspaden on this episode the Oklahoma City bombings.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are recording. Yeah, how exciting, I know,
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  Speaker 2: first episode of a new podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, it is the as of yet unnamed Gass Theory podcast.
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  Speaker 2: The Conspiracy Theory Show podcast something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's gonna have great se O just for words
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  Speaker 3: constantly used in other capacities. Yeah, yeah, almost limitlessly.
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  Speaker 2: We are SEO experts around these parts. Mm hmm, so
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  Speaker 2: I see experts. Al right, yeah, I was gonna do it.
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  Speaker 3: But seriously, one of the largest attacks on American soil
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  Speaker 3: since Pearl Harbor, if not the okay, yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: think I think it's Oklahoma City in the nine to
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  Speaker 3: eleven that's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma City nine to eleven. All the other terrorist attacks, well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess Pearl Harbor was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Pearl Harbor. I think, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: probably the biggest in Pearl Harbor. And then nine eleven
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  Speaker 3: was the biggest since Pearl Harbor. I don't think anything's
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  Speaker 3: top Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 2: No, was nine to eleven more than Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 3: Nine to eleven was like two thousand people in Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 3: I think was slightly more. Yeah, I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows, Yeah, who knows. It happened such a long
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  Speaker 3: time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who cares. Right, Yeah, it's ben get over it. Geez.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because you know, we said December seventh of day,
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  Speaker 3: which will live in infamy, and we probably I could
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  Speaker 3: go to Iraq. They're like, oh, which December seventh that
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about, ninety six, ninety seven, they're all pretty infamous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have a good here. Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're we're talking about this is a conspiracy theory. As
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  Speaker 2: we said at the beginning, because everyone knows I'm way
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  Speaker 2: into conspiracy theories, and.
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  Speaker 3: As I learned from the intensely detailed notes which I
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  Speaker 3: received to study of for this week's episode, just at
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  Speaker 3: this debunking is obviously biased by this person's tenure at
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  Speaker 3: the universe.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, look, I take it seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I know, I'm excited to get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Uh, that's one of my favorite things
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  Speaker 2: to do, is just dig it because it's it comes
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  Speaker 2: from working at Cracked and having to write.
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  Speaker 3: Having to mine the depths of human history for crazy generals. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and times that the FBI did wacky shit right pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh that's uh, that's what this Oklahoma City
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  Speaker 2: thing kind of turned into. But the yeah, we're doing uh,
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  Speaker 2: doing two episodes next week. We're doing ancient nuclear war.
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  Speaker 3: I know this is something I'll probably be able to
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  Speaker 3: talk a little bit more cogently about because, uh, I
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  Speaker 3: I got an A in my geology of the solar
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  Speaker 3: system class in community college. So very good, basically an expert.
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  Speaker 2: Good good good. And I bomb federal buildings. I'm good
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely have a federal building bomber aesthetic, if I have
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  Speaker 3: to say that, Like, I feel like you would definitely
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  Speaker 3: know where to get fertilizer. The shades in the studio
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  Speaker 3: are perpetually drawn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very it's very conspiratorial. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't a black and white American flag, if there.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't so much nostalgic accoutrement, I would definitely think this
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  Speaker 3: would be an excellent place to write a manifesto.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Iron Giant as a much needed load
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  Speaker 3: of note of levity to the to the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: I could turn the wolf lamp on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the wolf lamp.
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  Speaker 2: That'll help give us a nice blue glow in here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, shines a light on the cover ups.
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  Speaker 2: Shines a light on the truth. Man, the truth is
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  Speaker 2: goddamn out there. Did you watch that Oklahoma City documentary?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't watch the documentary. I read the articles about
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  Speaker 3: it and yeah, and I did some digging into that today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a documentary right now on that
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  Speaker 2: flicks that people can go watch if they want to
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  Speaker 2: study up on the history of the Oklahoma City bombing.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a pretty straightforward telling of the events, at
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  Speaker 2: least the official explanation of events, which is what we'll
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  Speaker 2: go through first in case people.
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  Speaker 3: Official might be a good name for this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a good one. We'll come up
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  Speaker 2: with it. Maybe we'll put it out to the people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we could ask them, you know, something with
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy in the name.
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  Speaker 3: The only surviving vestige of democracy is the Twitter poll.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, everything else is influenced by Russian bots and
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  Speaker 3: wiki leaks, So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If any Russian bots listen to this podcast, that would
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  Speaker 2: be be pretty great. It would be cool spread some property.
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  Speaker 3: And st algorithm that just scanned for keywords, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And then just retweeted our podcast and just.
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  Speaker 3: Upvoted us on on the Donald. Yep, we passed the test.
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  Speaker 3: Put approved?
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  Speaker 2: Is that? Is that a subreddit?
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  Speaker 3: That's the big Trump subreddit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Or the Donald and uh yeah, it's a It's sort
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  Speaker 3: of funny because these people couldn't even that. It's are
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  Speaker 3: the underscore Donald? Not a great handle for your subreddit,
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  Speaker 3: but that's like the big one that they all flocked too.
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  Speaker 3: Like they couldn't get our Trump or Donald Trump. They
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  Speaker 3: had to settle for real third string and straight yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which almost no one calls him. Which yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Also ironically that are the leader of the free world
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  Speaker 3: has real in his Twitter handle. I still find that
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  Speaker 3: to be one of the most unsettling things about his
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  Speaker 3: administration is that he could not just get Donald He
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  Speaker 3: couldn't buy out or whatever out of principle. The guy
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  Speaker 3: that owns ed Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder who does own at Donald Trump. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I haven't heard that. Maybe it's just some
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  Speaker 2: dude named Donald Trump. I'll pull it, yeah, like fuck him.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, man, I'm just a fucking I'm a commercial
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  Speaker 3: real estate agent. From Nebraska. All right, I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: any part in this.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, poor guy. So the Oklahoma City bombing there we
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  Speaker 2: One of the articles we went through was a timeline
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  Speaker 2: for the Oklahoma City bombing, which was exhaustive. It starts
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  Speaker 2: at the birth, ye yeah, April nineteen fifty five, Terry
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  Speaker 2: Nichols birth. Like, I don't need all that, okay.
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  Speaker 3: The quick update the Twitter handle at Donald Trump just
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  Speaker 3: says to follow the real Donald Trump at real Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it seems as though he's bought it but
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to lose out on all his hot mentions,
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  Speaker 3: you know, at the ages, and then just just redirected it.
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  Speaker 2: What a maniac, man, Yeah, all right, what a goddamn maniac. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: this timeline, the timeline is fucking exhaustive. It starts April first,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, when Terry Nichols is born to Joyce
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  Speaker 2: and Robert Nichols and Lapierre Michigan, and it goes through
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  Speaker 2: Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh, and Michael forty A's formative years.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, call it.
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  Speaker 3: The high school stuff. So you know, it's obviously the
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  Speaker 3: desert chield, desert strong stuff with Timothy's Pertinent Info.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah and there. Yeah, they do. They do a good
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  Speaker 2: job of framing like important white supremist type activities that happened.
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  Speaker 3: And some of some of the around this time, which
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting because this is a very sort
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  Speaker 3: of like the official version. You know, this is very
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  Speaker 3: cut and dry, you know, like this is according to
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  Speaker 3: you know, what the official story is what happened. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of the things they're referencing tie into the conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 3: like Ruby Ridge and Waco and all that goes to
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  Speaker 3: Eloheim City, that weird you know, white nationalists compound.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you ever seen the documentary about that place?
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  Speaker 3: No, I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: It's uh, I don't remember what it's called. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that it's exactly about elloween City, but it
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  Speaker 2: was the worst David.
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  Speaker 3: Bowie song ever, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: That it is. Yeah, it was like an early nineties
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  Speaker 2: documentary maybe mid nineties about skinheads and hate groups and
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  Speaker 2: they visit elloween City.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like some of the Pittsburgh punk rock guys
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  Speaker 3: are into that, and then one of them, Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: just one of them got arrested and got a sex
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  Speaker 3: change in jail afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really an interesting conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I had recently about a friend of mine is a
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  Speaker 3: nose of Dominatrix, and she says a lot of her
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  Speaker 3: clients are like real hardcore punk rock dudes. You know.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, it's mostly like businessmen, like kind of powerful,
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  Speaker 3: like real estate types like you'd expect. And then there's
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of like just dudes with like Dead
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  Speaker 3: Kennedy's T shirts and like mohawks. They're like, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna need to put on a diaper and ship
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  Speaker 3: myself while I jerk off.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I wonder what. I wonder what that What the
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  Speaker 2: psychology behind that is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I find it interesting though, but uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're getting away from the point, so yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Suppose a little bit. So yeah, they go through all
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  Speaker 2: of these things that happened during McVeigh and forty a's
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  Speaker 2: kind of formative years, like like you said, Ruby Ridge,
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  Speaker 2: Operation Desert Shield, which Timothy McVay actually fought in Waco.
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  Speaker 2: See the kind of the official explanation for this is
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  Speaker 2: that Timothy mcveay was inspired by what happened at Waco
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  Speaker 2: to bomb and there's that federal building.
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  Speaker 3: The news footage of him like selling those anti government
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  Speaker 3: bumper stickers. Yeah seen, and he he said like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I killed innocent people in Iraq, and you know that
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  Speaker 3: was government sanctioned, so he was trying to kill you know,
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  Speaker 3: da and atf people that might have been in the
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  Speaker 3: Felder Federal Building and kind of you know, shate a line,
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  Speaker 3: shine a light on the hypocracy of the government, is
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  Speaker 3: what I've been able to gather as a justification for it,
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  Speaker 3: although it does seem a little convoluted, as you know,
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  Speaker 3: is to be expected with someone who's going to kill
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  Speaker 3: one hundred sixty people.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of all this, after he gets out
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  Speaker 2: of Iraq, Ruby Ridge happens August twenty first, nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 2: and then Waco happens, and this is what apparently prompts
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  Speaker 2: him to start plotting to blow up the Federal Building.
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  Speaker 2: But what's weird to me is in this timeline it
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  Speaker 2: jumps from July nineteen ninety four to September nineteen four,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, and July nineteen ninety four. McVeigh is
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  Speaker 2: the best man at Michael and Laurie Forty's wedding September thirteenth,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, McVeigh begins his plot to blow up
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  Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Federal Building. I feel like there's some
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  Speaker 2: parts missing there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that one of the things I was
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  Speaker 3: reading said that he got really into a book, a
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  Speaker 3: novel which was, you know, talking about an armed resistance
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  Speaker 3: the American government that involved blowing up federal building. So
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people think that was an ADO test
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  Speaker 3: for his plan. But I mean, to me, that's not
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  Speaker 3: that that it's not a huge I mean until you
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any pertinent like bullet points there
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  Speaker 3: aside from you know, whatever the gradual radicalization or whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want to call it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, there's nothing, nothing that really stands
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  Speaker 2: out up until.
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  Speaker 3: If anything, the marriage is just kind of a fun fact. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: in the mist Yeah, it's like they're just trying to
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  Speaker 3: pad this out. Oh he can rent more than a truck.
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  Speaker 3: He also running a tucks July of nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: So then it goes through all of the different steps
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  Speaker 2: they took to gather the explosives to build this bomb,
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  Speaker 2: which happens mostly in October of nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 3: What's what's interesting to me is that if I enless
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  Speaker 3: a mistake and they buy two tons of ammonium nitrate
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  Speaker 3: from the same place in McPherson, Kansas. So that means
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  Speaker 3: they bought a ton of ammonium nitrate and then they
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  Speaker 3: went back like weeks later, like you're gonna need another
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  Speaker 3: ton of ammonium nitrate. This guy's like, what level of
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  Speaker 3: farming is this man do with me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that didn't raise any fucking red flags at all.
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  Speaker 3: I guess this is probably before we were super scrupulous
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  Speaker 3: about like credit transactions or whatever, because now, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you make a couple you know, late night four
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  Speaker 3: chance searches and then go and look at the perus
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  Speaker 3: the wrong pages on Amazon, you're gonna knock at the
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  Speaker 3: front door. But in the nineties you're just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I knew I have a farm that I have no
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  Speaker 3: proof exists. Yeah, yeah, I also love motorcycles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It kind of harkens back to nine to eleven
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  Speaker 2: when like different intelligence agencies just weren't talking to each other. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so like the FBI was like, hey, we're gonna get bombed.
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  Speaker 2: Someone should tell the CIA, and I'm like, ah, they'll find.
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  Speaker 1: What.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna lose our fucking edge and then we're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna get the pizza party.
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  Speaker 2: That's their job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or like the scene in every fucking one hour
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  Speaker 3: drama where like, oh the Feds are here, you know, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we gotta do this without the feds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he also the interesting way they stole the detonators
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  Speaker 3: from a quarry, yeah, which is kind of a punk
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  Speaker 3: rock move. Yeah, there was a lot of James Bond shit.
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  Speaker 3: I mean there wasn't There wasn't a lot of building this.
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  Speaker 3: These things all, you know, fairly they all happened fairly
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  Speaker 3: far apart, So I mean it would have, you know,
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  Speaker 3: would have been impressive to link them all together.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it is crazy how they just sort of
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  Speaker 2: went on that spree of buying bomb making shit in
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  Speaker 2: early October because all of those purchases were finished by
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  Speaker 2: October twenty first.
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  Speaker 3: Real terrible coming of age teen road trip comedy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like driving across the country with a trailer full of
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  Speaker 3: stinky farming powder.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see the comedy version of this
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  Speaker 2: with the.
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  Speaker 3: Bobcath Goldways is a correcting it. It seems like some
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  Speaker 3: shitty do So.
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  Speaker 2: The official story is that after McVeigh gathered all this equipment,
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  Speaker 2: he drove a rider truck to Oklahoma City by himself
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  Speaker 2: and blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City. And
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  Speaker 2: that's always been the kind of the accepted explanation is
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  Speaker 2: that he did it along with Terry Nichols, who weirdly
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  Speaker 2: wasn't in Oklahoma City when the bombing happened. Now, but
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  Speaker 2: they do pretty much cite him as the other conspirator because.
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  Speaker 3: He was, if I'm not mistake, involved with the accruing
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  Speaker 3: supplies and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Getting the supplies together, and I think maybe helping to
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  Speaker 2: assemble the bomb, but he wasn't in Oklahoma City, and
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of where where it ends later. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that morning Timothy McVeigh got pulled over on Interstate thirty
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  Speaker 2: five near Perry, Oklahoma, went to jail. They eventually on
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  Speaker 2: the fire.
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  Speaker 3: That's always the that's always the fucking not irritating but
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  Speaker 3: the weird thing to me. But these you know, everybody
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  Speaker 3: gets busted initially for some other small crime, like the
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  Speaker 3: license like if you're gonna blow up a federal building,
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  Speaker 3: like have your tags?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was driving a car with no license plate.
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  Speaker 3: Or it's like the kids in my high school that
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  Speaker 3: would get popped because the drug sniffing dog smelled weed
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  Speaker 3: in their bag. They didn't find weed, but there was
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  Speaker 3: a switch blade and a Porno maag in the backpack,
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  Speaker 3: and they're like, dude, come on, like you know you
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  Speaker 3: smell like weed. Like, just lead the switchblade at home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's all like when you hear about someone getting
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  Speaker 2: busted driving cross country with drugs, it's always like they
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  Speaker 2: were pulled over for speeding. It's like, why the fuck
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  Speaker 2: are you speeding? Yeah, Like I would go, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we got these drugs in here, we gotta hurry. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would go one mile over the speed limit the
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  Speaker 2: entire time. Yeah, so I didn't look suspicious. If I
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  Speaker 2: was smuggling drugs, I would buy a new car with
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  Speaker 2: cruise control. Its just so I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you'll still get pulled over. I got pulled
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  Speaker 2: over twice driving across country. I was, but I was
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  Speaker 2: in a black Lincoln Navigator and we got pulled over
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  Speaker 2: in Sioux Falls.
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  Speaker 3: This is your recreat the plot of Soul Men, the
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  Speaker 3: Bernie mac and Sam Jackson vehicle pretty much. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: a pimp ass cars. That's a fucking cool road trip.
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  Speaker 3: Where were you doing that?
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  Speaker 2: I was moving. I was moving from New York to
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco, and we drove the whole way. We took
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  Speaker 2: like two weeks and just kind of casually drove. But
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: when we were almost out of South Dakota, we were
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  Speaker 2: going five miles over the speed limit, had cruise control on.
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  Speaker 2: A cop passes us and immediately turns on his lights
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  Speaker 2: and does a U turn and pulls us over for speeding,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going five miles over. Like you never get
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  Speaker 2: pulled over for that. Yeah, And I'm pretty sure it
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  Speaker 2: was just because we were in a really nice car
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  Speaker 2: with New York plates. Yeah, I had no reason to
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  Speaker 2: be there.
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  Speaker 3: Did you get a ticket?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a ticket, And then we got another
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  Speaker 2: ticket in Wyoming like an hour later for the exact
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  Speaker 2: same thing.
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  Speaker 3: I just said, cruise control if it's seventy you know,
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  Speaker 3: if the speed limit seventy I said cruise control at
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  Speaker 3: seventy four, and I just, yeah, leave it. That's always
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  Speaker 3: my move. Yeah, I think the worst state for traffic stops,
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  Speaker 3: worst place to blow up a federal building. In other words,
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  Speaker 3: I would say Arizona, Arizona. Oh yeah, yeah, that's like
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  Speaker 3: someone was explained to me how like they've basically like
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: stripped all like taxes and regulations because it's such a
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: republican state that basically the only way they have to
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: gain revenues for tickets, you know, so they just have
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the cameras and everything. I've gotten popped for those. Just
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: like every time I go do a gig in Arizona,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: I break even because of some bullshit traffic offense.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I've I've usually whenever I've traveled through Arizona,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: I've been on a train.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Oh it's a good move.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit safer. Yeah, that's a fucking
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: nightmare driving anywhere down there. Your phone doesn't work, Oh yeah,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Like it's like like.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I took the eight one time from San Diego to Arizona.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: I was so close to the Mexican border, like you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it shows up like O eight T four G. I
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: was on like Tell Mexico sixty nine fucking phone and
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I had like used like roaming data and shit like
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: trying to bullet my maps. It was fucking ridiculous.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Fuck that. So, yeah, Timothy McVeigh blows up the Federal
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Building by himself, well with the help of Timothy Nichols
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: or Terry Nichols, and that that's the accepted story. But
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: like with anything else like this, a bunch of different
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: conspiracies have popped up around it. The first one being
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: that there were additional conspirators and this one I kind
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: of believe.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's not that well. I mean, they have
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: they have the accounts of the people leaving the rider
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: truck with Timothy.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: And then what basically happened to this guy what was
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: his name again, the guy who got killed? Yeah, yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: the guy that was or killed himself in jail, Kenny
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: trent to do, Kenny Trent to do. He was you know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: popped for again a you know, small like license plate
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: or whatever type thing coming back up from Mexico, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: they basically threw him in jail. He called his family
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, I'll be all right, I'll talk
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: to you guys in a couple of days. And then
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: they found him, you know, dead of a supposed suicide.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: But they also offered to cremate the body pro bono,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: which is like not something that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Presents apparently super weird.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's I'm for anything that's you know
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: that that was a bad move. I understand where they're
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: coming from, but you know, yeah, they're trying to like
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: make it seem like they're doing a favor while we're
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: covering up the evidence or whatever.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Just set them on fire right now, Yeah.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: You do it. Oh, we ovens warmed up. We were
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: just maringing a pizza gas for the big Cia pizza
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: party because they caught in like he had a bunch.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Of fuel on him, yeah, and solid fire with that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was wearing his gasoline nineties.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this, uh, there's always been this rumor or
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory that there was a second conspirator involved. And
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: what happened with Kenny Trent to do? He was, like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you said, in prison, he got moved to Oklahoma City
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: for a parole hearing, which that's weird, and you're in
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: prison in California. Normally they do your parole hearing in California. Yeah,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and they flew him to Oklahoma City for some reason.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: He called his sister on August nineteenth, told her he
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: was there for a parole hearing, called her again that night,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: said he would call her the next morning. He was
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: in really good spirits. And then they don't hear from
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: him at all until August twenty first, when the prison
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: warden calls a family to say he killed himself, and,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: like you said, offers to cover the cost of cremating him,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: which prisons don't do. So the family shoots down that
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: offer and they get the body back and it looks
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like he's been beaten and his throat's been slashed, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: he's got legature mind.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: He would have done it left handed, Yeah, he was
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: right handed. There's like all that little shit like that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything about it is suspicious, like it looks.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Like a murder, and that the people aren't even necessarily
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: saying that he was the second conspirator, but rather than
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: he matched, the description just kind of looked like the
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: guy because people were describing the guy that was with
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Timothy was having a dragon tattoo on his arm. By
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the way, I've been to Oklahoma. If you're gonna, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: kill every guy in a holding cell that had a
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: dragon tattoo on his arm, do you fucking tax revenue
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: would kill it one forever? Yeah, Yeah, it's a big undertaking.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh So when the body gets shipped back, he
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: looks like he's been beaten to death. In the families, like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: what the fuck they did?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: They did fly him cargo on Spirit Airlines.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: So and his brother Jesse eventually gets an anonymous call
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that says, uh. Basically, the caller says his brother was
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: murdered or that Kenny trent to Do was murdered by
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the FBI and that there was an interrogation that went
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: wrong and that he fit a profile. And that profile
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: is this number two conspirator that people say.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And people call him John Done number two. Yeah, he's
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: in that drawing from where Timothy run at the rider truck, right, Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Which in the documentary that's on Netflix, they claim that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: guy in that other person in the drawing is just
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: another dude who was in He just happened to be
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: running a truck.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Which kind of probably makes more sense, Yeah, kind of,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I mean because I don't know, maybe because yeah, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know. None of this makes sense. Connor, that's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the problem, madam, Yeah, uncover it another another way. The
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: FBI fucked up is a and I feel like this
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: happens so often. Is that this dude's Kenny uh uh
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: trampoline his brother.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Was a lawyer.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they always needs to have it like where, Oh, yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the good kid and the bad kid. The bad kid
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: gets you know, something fucked up happens to him, that's
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: you know, smells a little fishy. And then the lawyer
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: has to, like on some weird dared devil shit, has
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: to devote his life to, you know, trying to expose
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the truth.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's uh, that's that's what he eventually ends
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: up doing, is uh, trying to uncover what happened to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: his brother.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: There's also one little sub conspiracy with that the writer
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: rental sketches or whatever in the description of Timothy and
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: John Don Number two at the scene is there's security
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: footage of Timothy at a McDonald's a mile and a
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: half away twenty four minutes before and he's totally you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: dry or whatever. And apparently he's raining that day. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: they say that he got to the other place, he
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: wasn't wet, and he didn't have a car, and they're like, hell,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: could he have possibly done that? Yeah, here's my answer,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: an umbrella.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I was reading that and I was like, you got
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a cab. I mean, you know, he ended up might
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: buy two tons of ammonium nitrate. I feel like he
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: had cab fair knocking around.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably could have made it. Yeah, but with
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: with Kenny Trent to do all this, all the usual
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory shit happens. The clothes he was wearing when
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: he dies go missing, a bunch of other evidence might
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: have been tampered with. His cell was cleaned the same
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: day before they could do any kind of crime scene investigation.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: The walls were painted over. There was a second person's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: blood found in the cell, probably not a big deal,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and that was never entered into evidence, and so it
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was all really suspect. And then Fred Jordan, the chief
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: medical Examiner of Oklahoma at the time, steps in and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they basically the state wants him to classify this death
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: as a suicide. And for a very long time he refuses.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: His a memo in his own files say very likely
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: this man was.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Killed, and uh, then he got a memo it looked
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: like a brick, Yeah, through his family's window while his
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: children's left.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He finally he did, finally, years later change his
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: ruling to suicide, but only after he was getting crazy
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: pressure from the government to do it. According to him,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like even.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of one of those like small town
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: guys like I didn't want any pardon this shit, you know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even the state's attorney at one point wrote
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: a letter to I believe the FBI basically saying stop
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: harassing this guy. Yeah, and they didn't until he he
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: said it was suicide.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Until he until he fucking caved to the official version.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Fucking sellout, man, what a fucking sellout. So the the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: this conspirator number two, there's a lot of people.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Who think, I will say, in his defense, do you
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: really want to be the Rosa Parks of a guy
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: with the dragon tattoo on his arm? I mean, we're
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: gonna make a stand for somebody. I dude, that was
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: a notorious bank robber. It might not be the place
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: you want to draw the line in your sand and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: condemn your kids to a life of harassment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the hill to die on.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have to talk to somebody dudes with
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: weird haircuts on the History Channel, you know, for the
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: rest of your life about your dad and all the
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: goods good he tried to do.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I want to get on the History Channel just once
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: as a talking head. I really don't.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's an unattainable goal at all.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah. Another thing about to say, the state of
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma it is. If you ever wondered where all the
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: people who watch the shows on the History Channel that
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: have nothing to do with history are, it's there. Oh yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: it's just con stars the state.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I fucking I love the History Channel.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: It's it's a ton of fun.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I watch it. I watched the shit out of American Pickers.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I mean every time I'm home for Christmas,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: we just throwing pickers Man. To have a Pickers marathon
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: is like a catnip for white people in their early fifties.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: So my parents just love it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That and true crime documentaries. It's all I watch
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the holidays. So this this John Doe number two they
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: believe might have been a guy named Richard Lee gut three.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah him the football games. I'm like, yeah, but so
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: is casting John Bennet.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So sorry, have you watched that?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I haven't. No, I can't.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I can't watch it. It's it doesn't make any fucking sense.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: People are just saying every time someone described tries to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: describe it to me and makes less sense.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: What the press of it is. Yeah, I don't. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: still don't know what the premise is and I watched
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a good twenty five minutes of it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think apparent just people auditioning to be and
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: it's about the people that are auditioning and doesn't have
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: anything to do with him. Yeah, I don't know.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe one of them will get murdered. I'll watch that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: So Richard Lee got three, he is that was the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: head of the Aryan Republic Army and apparently very much
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: resembled Kenny Trent to do, so that that's who, according
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to this theory, that's who authorities thought they had in
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: custody was Richard Lee got three. And where the where
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: things get weird is there's also a woman named Carol
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Howe who lived in Ellowem City, and apparently there Ellowem
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: City had been infiltrated by the ATF to the point
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that they may have known this bombing was going to happen.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: And it's apparently Carol Howe who told her ATF handler
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: that this was apparently gonna happen. And I think that's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: where part of the conspiracy comes in in that people there.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I think there's some sense that this might have been
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: one of those staying operations that the FBI loved a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: pull where they would get someone right to the point
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that they were going to bomb something like basically and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: trap them and then pull the trigger at the last
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: minute and arrest them. Like this could have been something
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that went wrong, like they knew.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: To catch a predator type thing of domestic terrorists where
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: it's like, hey, come on into the kitchen, there's cookies,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and then it's like, actually, that's an ammonium nitrate. That's
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: a lie, now jump in.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to catch a predator if the predator actually fucked
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a kid, Yeah, basically what this would be.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: But so it's just you know, one of the one
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of the theories that Lucy didn't move the football quick enough.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Basically an illoh him say, I guess we should says.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: It's kind of just seems like a like a barter
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Town for mad Max type of lint trap for like
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: racist uh, kind of like right wing nuts.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's just one of those compounds, those
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: militia compounds that we always hear about and you never see.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I've always wondered what would happen if you just stumbled
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: upon a militia compound, Like could I.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Could I walk up with a white flag and be
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: like I want to join.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you put some red shoelaces shoelaces in Yeah, yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Like I'm a Nazi, now let me join. I've seen
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: green room. I can do this.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Or you got to chug a whole two liters of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: faygo without fucking stopping. And if you can, then maybe
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: are what are the trials? You gotta go the They
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: have the monkey bars, the icist monkey bars. I presume
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: that's a big that's a militancy.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, monkey bars are a big part of military training.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, every time the tires.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: The kneel down and shoot behind something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: there's always that you run up to something.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I got to go like a Nazi decathlon in order
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: to pass the trials they did.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Nazis, have a guy at Elowem City named
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Andreas Strasmeyer aka Andy the German, and he did all
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of the weapons training there. But people also think he
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: might have been linked to us in German intelligence.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And I read if you other people atually thought that
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: he was cut out of the first draft of the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: screenplay for Inglorious Bastards. So there's a lot of different
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: conflicting theories.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: This guy was only questioned by phone, so that leads
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: me to believe he was probably at least in some
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: way tied to intelligence.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I can't imagine that if you're the
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: state of federal government and you know about a place
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: like Eloheem City and you're not going to try to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: crack it in some capacity, like yeah, because that's that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: just a you know, a fucking that's like standing water
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: for mosquitoes, but for domestic terrorists. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So that's one theory that there was another conspirator, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I think that one's not that far fetched.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I didn't see a lot on who people thought it
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: actually might be. It seems like they keep this guy
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: and may have just gotten a oyscot free.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Most people seem to think he's probably just gone forever.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I do think Mother Jones. That Mother Jones article that's
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: where we were pulling all of that from. It's an
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: article from two thousand and seven on Mother Jones called
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the Search for John Doe Number two the story of
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the Feds never told about the Oklahoma City bombing, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I felt like they did a decent job of making
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it seem like it was probably that Richard Lee Got
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: three guy.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Who owed the bank robber guy, Yeah, yeah, who.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: At one point did start cooperating with the Feds. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you'll never believe what happened to him. They found him
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: hanging in his cell. What that's weird if you can
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: believe it. So, uh, I guess we'll never know. So
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: he might have actually just.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: This guy's sort of flamboyant. I was reading a few
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: of his noted for costumes. They did like Clinton and
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Nixon masks, and they didn't Santa in an elf. On Christmas.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: They had an Easter basket with a bronze pipe, not
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: a bronze a copper pipe bomb.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And it's yeah, they robbed a bank on Christmas and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: then came back and put a bronze a bronze pipe
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: bomb at the same bank on Easter. It's like, that's great.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's that's fucking yeah. I want to
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: see that movie Bonnie and Clyde. Shit. Yeah yeah, so yeah, I.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Mean, it would have been a cooler story if we
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: knew that guy was involved.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, of witnesses at the scene of the Federal building
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: saw a man leaving wearing a U, and I think
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I'm reading this correctly a ninja costume.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So the the other theory about Oklahoma City is that
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: there was a second bomb, And this one has always
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: been kind of near and dear to me because I
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: remember news footage or news coverage from because I was
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: this happened in ninety five, so I was like already
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: out of high school when this happened. I was like
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen, So I remember news footage from when
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: this happened, and I remember seeing stories about a second
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and third bomb. But as the years progressed, you just
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: sort of stopped hearing that about Oklahoma City and you
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: just kind of heard that it was one bomb. In
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the documentary, they addressed this and they say it what
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: caused all the panic was like a test device that
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the government would use in training exercises.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: And in that case, I'm like, well, why is that there? Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: like why is there a test? Like what wacky coincidence?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Were like We're going to run this you know, test simulation, Yeah,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: next to and did that?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Did it?
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Was it just a you know, a bunch of red
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: wires with a ticking digital clock that wasn't hooked up
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: to anything.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they showed it, and it looked like just a
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: wooden box maybe the size of like it looked like
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you could put a bowling ball in it. It was
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: about that size, which I don't know if that would
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: cause We're gonna listen to a video of one of
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the news reports, and I don't know if that little
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: wooden box that they show in that documentary would have
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: caused the kind of panic that they're starting to learn.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: About the succession or what someone obviously hoped would be
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: a succession of explosions. The first bomb that was in
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the federal building did do off. It did the damage
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: that you see right there. The second explosive was found
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: and diffused. The third explosive that was found and they
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: are working on right now.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: As we speak.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I understand both the second and third explosives, if you
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: could imagine this were larger.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: See like, where did that information come from, the fact
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that they were larger than the big ass bomb.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole there's a whole moving truck with yeah,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you know, tons of raw.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Materials downtown Oklahoma City Federal Building. Two other explosive devices
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: were found and were not detonated, and they were larger.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Than the first count and this is yeah, this is
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: footage of people running and saying that they've been told
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: there's another bomb. If they were watching there, there was
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a white pickup truck backing a trailer. End of the scene.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Here they're trying to move people out of the way
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: so they can get it in. Is this something? Is
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: this something that the authorities on the ground said, like, hey,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: there's more bombs, just get out of here.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been that, like just get the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: fuck away from us.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems like something they might do where you
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: can deny it later like, oh, it was just a suspicious.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Van bomb squad folks will go in and they will
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: use that trailer. You have great fucking mullet on that
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: guy right really dates.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: To foot populated area to try to do.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Something with The Justice Department is reporting that a second
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: explosive device has the.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Splode exploded in the front controlled demolition in the back.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma City, and tell you in addition to that that,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: in fact what we were told at the scene a
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: few minutes ago, was it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: In fact, two different.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Explosive devices were found in addition to the one that
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: went off.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: So if I'm getting dis correct, two plus one is
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: three plus one three. This is the great thing about
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: when news has to report on limited information, yeah live,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: is that they just have to restate the same thing
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: over and over again while people die in the background.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Was found on the east side of that building a
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: bomb squad.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: See. It just seems weird to me that there's so much.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess someone could have been giving out
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: misinformation and that's.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Well, this is one device was activated, like this.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Is the governor talking right now.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Damage, Yeah, seems to be corroborated from multiple sources, is
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: what they're telling to seem people were told this and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: this is nowhere in the official version of the story.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: There's multiple bombs.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: No, not anymore. Like when you watch that that documentary
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: about it, which really adheres to the original story. They
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: bring it up, but like I said, they just write
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it off as the training.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: That's what one of them was. What was their explanation
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: for the other one?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. They don't really have one.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Injured because of the prisons of other uh bombs in
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: the area. I just took a look down the street
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: tomorrow building again, I see another bomb truck going. So
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: apparently they're going to try to get out that third
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: bomb that's been talked about a.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Lot of crazy. Yeah, this is for this is a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: super cut.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize the first of just multiple different news
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: channels because.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeahstand wars water stamp. Oh no, I feel dirty now,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: That's always the thing about this. You, well, this is
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: really interesting. You're like, oh, this is why we hate
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: the Jews dot org and be like, oh fuck, okay,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Well I don't really know what they have to say
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: about nuclear war on Mars, but I don't know if
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I need to read it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Some good works experts and the explosive sniffing dogs.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is almost over.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: But the the explosive sniffing dogs which slipped two additional
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: bombs in additional little the one which was detonated earlier.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: You're making a total of three bombs.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Total of three bombs. One was hiding in my mustache.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: That mustache is amazing.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: It's a great it's a great comment for an audio medium.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: We do what we can. I mean, we were just
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: watching videos for three minutes. It's fine. Uh So, Yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the additional explosives are a theory that I mean, it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: out there. People believe it and it's because of stuff
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like that. But it's it's also one of those situations
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: like you were talking about, where you go look at
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the official source and it's just some dude.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like this website is hardcore geo cities.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I should not run two websites that look
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: aesthetically much better than this. I am not conducting analysis
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: of audio files from a lawyer's dictaphone blocks away that
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: indicate multiple blasts. I have a humble podcast about isis.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: But this guy is.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Profoundly badly formatted. A bevy of different fonts and sizes.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's called what really Happened dot com?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, web one point zero give banners to the side
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: of the page advertising friends and sponsors. It does raise
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: a few interesting points.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does. He mentions the Timothy McVeigh was dry
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: at the U haul thing. How did he get there?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Which I think an umbrella is a pretty good guess
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: as to how that happened.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Umbrella cab rain also start and stops.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, could have been anything. He does have
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: a picture of a rider truck a few days before
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that was allegedly just kind of stored at an army compound.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Near Oklahoma City.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: See this to me is a little even I'm not
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: a little more credible, a little less credible even than
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: the way was he dry at the U haul place,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: because I imagine the Army also has to move shit,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: and a lot of it is probably not you know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: fucking hydrogen bombs and you know, green tarp covered caravans.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: It's probably just office supplies and shit. And also, I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: mean they had the VEN number from the axle of
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the truck at the at the side of the federal building,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: So I did this is less interesting to me.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Well, not to debunky ride on the spot, but I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: did watch an episode of Homeland recently where a truck
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: bomb goes off and they find out that the government
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: agency had swapped in a different van and they took
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the original van. Probably not what happened here, but you
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: never know. Like this, this is one of those things
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: where it's like, we're never gonna confirm this. Yeah, it's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: just decades old picture from the that was originally uploaded
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to the Internet, so it's got.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Probably back in the BBS boards to days.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: It's got that late nineties, early two thousand internet sheen
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: of Yeah, it's got the terrible, real resolution.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Pixelated fucking steez to it. I do miss seeing pictures
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: So so this guy goes through on what Really Happened
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: dot com. He goes through a bunch of sound files.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Should we listen to one just to hear?
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just the building because I got to imagine it
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: just sounds like static.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, attorneys for state and first the representatives just sounded
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: like it dropped something. Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: No, that's from a lawyer's dictaphone.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by building a few blocks away, and they're what
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: this guy's comparing is basically, he's trying to prove that
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: there were two blasts. Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: But what he's extrapolating from this incredibly low res piece
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: of audio from technology from nineteen ninety four is is,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say outlandish, because I'm not, like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: you know, sonic expert by any stretch of the imagination.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: But he's saying that there's multiple, you know, spikes that
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: would indicate like this is before this happened, and then
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the timelines don't match up.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and this is a thing. What's weird to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: meet We'll talk about it a lot more on the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: next episode, But what's weird to me about stuff like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: this is when it's the person who's putting forth the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, we're really quick to be like, oh, what's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: your source? Like where are you getting that from? But
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: when someone debunks something, we're just like all right that
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I trust you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: People will like if you're trying to prove a point
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and you send someone a link to what really happened,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: they'll be like, what the fuck are you doing?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uses that for a source?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I really think, you know, it's it is difficult to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: separate the chef if they just had like someone to
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: help with the optics. Yeah, a little bit, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: because people like you know that the skeptics, for for
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: lack of a better word, are all they all come
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: across very sharp and reasoned and presented very well. But
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: it's what is it about this that always lends itself
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: to the hand coded HTML?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? On both sides. Yeah, it's like no one's credible. No,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Like I found I found a lot of that on
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: this episode, just trying to find one. And we did
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: find the mother Jones article that was it was interesting
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to find, like a.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Well, this is also kind of a kind of a
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: throwback conspiracy.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's true. So vintage, Yeah, we're gonna
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: flip this conspiracy on eBay ter.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Sell the Buffalo Exchange fucking like thembing of the Buffalo Exchange.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Next week on the Unnamed fucking Conspiracy Theory Show. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, it's I feel like the extra explosives thing
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: is compelling, but we're never ever, ever ever gonna prove
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: it because like the bombs would be gone.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Well that's now this sort of ties into the one
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: of the last things, which is the one of the
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: first responders right right.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: There was a first responder named Terry Yiki who was
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a I believe he was a cop or a firefighter.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it sounds like a like.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: A South Park character that runs a Chinese food restaurant,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: like Terry Yiky, Terry Yucky.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And this guy was one of the first people
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: on the scene at when the bomb went off, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: he reported all kinds of weird things, like uh, one
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of the things he reported was that the ATF was
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: already there when the bomb went off, like, which I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: think is where there's some sense, like I said that
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: this was maybe like a sting operation or something that
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: like they were maybe trying to catch these two doing
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: something in the time and got fucked up. Yeah, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the bomb actually went off.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, like they had, you know, whatever, their connection in
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Olohim City or who you know, someone had piece together
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: these transactions and linked them to these dudes and what
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: they're trying to do and then again didn't move the
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: football quick enough. As part of the theory, there's also
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: them like covering up the wreckage with black plastic. Yeah, yeah,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: just to like just and weird, not like a gigantic tarp,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: but like little individual pieces to cover it, like little
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: cracks and shit like that, which is very odd.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all really strange. And this Terry Yeeky,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: he was there that day and he gets home and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: tells his wife that it's not what they're saying it is.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And from there he goes on this mission basically trying
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: to uncover all this evidence about Oklahoma City. Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: He's like making trips in his days offe in his
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: personal vehicle.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doing all this investigative work. And his wife
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: claims at the time of his death he was on
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: his way to deliver information to someone. But I almost
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: did an article about this. I might still do it someday.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I was going to do an article about suicides that
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: are definitely murder.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, like Vince Foster, Yeah, yeah, and Terry Yeeky. His
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: this one is so opaquely. Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: He slid his wrists in his vehicle and then walks
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a mile through rough terrain, which includes climbing a fence
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and crossing a creek to get to a spot in
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the forest grandmother's house, Yeah, where he finally shoots himself
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: in the head with a gun that no one could
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: find until the FBI showed up in a helicopter and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: found it fifty feet away from him.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Well, they just don't have the investigative acumen of the
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Federal bur of investigator. I mean, they're just they're the
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: best what they do. Yeah, Like what the it really
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: is like on the Dave Chappelle like sprinkle some crack
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: on him level of Oh yeah, for sure deviousness. Yeah,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: and he has like handcuff imprints on his wrists.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: And all that shit. Yeah, everything about it's really strange,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: But it's it's one of those stories, you know, the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: same as the first guy we talked about, Kenny whatever
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: the fuck that weird last name was. But that one, too,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: is a really weird suicide that when you look into
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: it more probably as a murder.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Well yeah that one and the and the bank robber guy,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: yeah you think was John Denver two? Yeah, there's three
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: of these. Yeah, And and people talk about what's the
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: is the motivation just so that the American people have
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: closure and a nice tidy wrap up in faith in
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: our institutions? Do you think for this conspiracy?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe the embarrassment of knowing that there
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: was a second person who did it that they never caught. Yeah,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think the government would want that to get out.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: To bad look.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as the kids say, very bad look. And you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: could be that they were involved, who knows, yeah.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Or I mean the thing is like uh some some
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: there was some legislation passed after this, So I suppose
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: an extreme cynic could say that this was you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Clinton trying to pass that death penalty reform that he
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: passed and some of these things that are like seen
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: as precursors to the Patriot Act. Yeah, But then I
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: mean there is I mean the possible justification that you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: similar to the JFK murder, where they're just like, we
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: just need a tidy ending for this so people can
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: know that fucking you know, we get the job done.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: This is not gonna happen again. Gotta get it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's probably more of that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what That's what makes sense to me. If
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: there is any veracity any of this, Yeah, yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like to believe that it would
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: have been some sort of I definitely don't want to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: believe it was an inside operation. Yeah, that's always terrifying.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I mean if it was some sort of sting that
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: they fucked up, I could live with that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I I you know, we obviously would
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: be thrilled. But I mean if they just yeah, you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: didn't time it right when saw the fuse was you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: fucking taken, and they didn't left the squirty flower and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: the fucking you know, black car with the rest of
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: the side spy supplies, Like.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's you know, that's fine, you goofed it. Yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it happens, but yeah, who knows. It's a weird one tho.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: It is weird. I mean, I didn't know that there's
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: this much controversy about this. I thought I was pretty
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: much cut and dry. Timothy McVay did it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a lot of weird details around
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Interesting also that he never came forward about another conspirator.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in that In that same documentary that's on Netflix
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: right now, there's an interview with him at the end.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I watched some of that, the sixty minutes one, No, the.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: One that's on there's one on Netflix right now.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, there's like an interview with the guy from
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: sixty minutes was when he's like thirty three.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and they asked him about additional
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: conspirators and he was like, it would be scary if
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: there because that would mean you never caught someone else,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: But also wouldn't it be scary if I just did
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: it by myself? And that's kind of how he leaves it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: What a menacing answer.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yes, it's scary, way.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, fucking students got in some
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: of the some of the most piercing creep eyes you'll
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: ever see.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, he's he's a goddamn nightmare,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: but not anymore. He's dead now.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Hey, hey.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: It's patriotic bird.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought it was a Wilhelm scream.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: It was a red tailed hawk. Oh was it the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: official eagle of podcasts? Because everyone calls that an eagle? Scream?
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, as soon as you do.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Some asshole goes he needs a red hawk.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: That's what a Tobias from Animors was permanently trapped as
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: so oh big fan of the red tailed Hawk. Nice
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: and also young adult fiction from the late nineties that
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: was available in every children's library.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Who's not into that? Uh, we should get out of here.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: This was this was this was fun. Yeah. I hope
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you good.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I definitely learned something. I hope you guys learned something.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to record another one of these after this.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: And uh, hey, if you're rushing towards a tragedy to
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: help recover bodies, don't refuse the Bronze Star of Courage
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: after the fact, because it's gonna make you look like
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: you're trying to connect some pieces and then you're gonna
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: get murdered in.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: The woodsact exactly.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I think those are words of wisdom we can all
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: get behind.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's something we can all
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: live live by. So do you have anything to plug
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: before we get out of here?
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I got a podcast of my own I do with
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: my my friend Keith Carey called Mean Boys.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Sit that out please.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: It's a scripted comedy podcast where we're at jokes, sketches
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: and games. It's a it's a lot of fun and
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: very proud of it. So if you if you thought
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: I was compelling it all, please give that a listen.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give it a listen. I was on it not
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: too long ago.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Adam was fantastic, good time, good jumping off point for
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: you atb heads out there.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fun podcast, and uh, subscribe on Patreon if you
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: don't already five dollars a month you get all of
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: our podcasts and it's uh, it's a damn good deal.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: We do ten episodes a week. It's like twelve and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: a half episode and a.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Half contents and then a bangros membership. I mean, what
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: are you? What are you doing at forty five minutes
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: shortly edited scene a.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Day and more fucking Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: don't know that. Yeah, do a lot of fucking those
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: people a month. Yeah they would know. Yeah, if they
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: could do that, and uh, follow us on the socials
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: un popstot podcast on Instagram, add on pops on Twitter,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: on Pops Network on Facebook, add on Pops on YouTube.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's it, and help us come up with
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: a name for this show. Yeah, I still like Conspiracy
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the show, Conspiracy Dot the show.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I'm done with that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: We could do that, We'll figure it out.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh all right, I think that's it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Let's record the next one. Connor say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: We love it.