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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Central/South American Connection (11/5/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. According to the Trump administration and the Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice, Jeffrey Epstein was nothing more than a single
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Speaker 1: lone predator. And according to them, there was no evidence
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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein ever trafficked anybody and that there was
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Speaker 1: no evidence pointing to that inside of these files. Well,
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Speaker 1: we all know that's a bunch of BS. And I
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Speaker 1: think that the email that was sent by Prince Andrew
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Speaker 1: to Glenn Maxwell really personifies the whole thing. Because you
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Speaker 1: have to really be engaging in some mental gymnastics to
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Speaker 1: try and come up with an excuse for what Prince
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Speaker 1: Andrew was talking about when he asked for inappropriate friends.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at that email in the context
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Speaker 1: of everything we know, it's pretty damning, isn't it? And
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Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, if somebody was being investigated for human trafficking...
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Speaker 1: And they had a friend who sent this kind of
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Speaker 1: email to a co-conspirator. How do you think that would
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Speaker 1: work out? Do you think that the police would just
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Speaker 1: look the other way? Or do you think they'd be
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Speaker 1: kicking in your door and arresting you? And we're not
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Speaker 1: talking about some scuttlebutt that was in the media. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about the FBI and the DOJ telling a judge
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Speaker 1: that email suggested that Maxwell was arranging young women to
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Speaker 1: have sex with Prince Andrew. That's what the DOJ told
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Speaker 1: the judge. Then, the DOJ, under Trump, has the audacity
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Speaker 1: to tell us that there's no evidence here, there's nothing
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Speaker 1: to be seen, nothing to be heard, no conversations to
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Speaker 1: have with people, namely with Prince Andrew's bitch ass. They
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Speaker 1: had all this evidence for all this time, and they
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Speaker 1: sat on it. They did nothing with it. And the UK,
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Speaker 1: they knew what was up too, don't let them fool you.
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Speaker 1: They protected Andrew, because the Queen told them to, and
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Speaker 1: because they were trying to protect the monarchy. instead of
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Speaker 1: protecting the most vulnerable amongst us. Today we have an
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Speaker 1: article from ABC News and the headline, The DOJ told
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Speaker 1: the judge, Emails suggested Maxwell was arranging young women to
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Speaker 1: have sex with Prince Andrew. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Aaron Katursky, James Hill, and Peter Charalambos. As federal investigators
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Speaker 1: built a case against Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, they
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Speaker 1: discovered emails they believed suggested that she was arranging women
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Speaker 1: to have sex with Prince Andrew according to a new
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Speaker 1: review of documents released earlier this year by the Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice. And this is the kind of evidence that
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Speaker 1: the investigators are going to be looking at as they
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Speaker 1: continue to pursue their case against Prince Andrew. When they
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Speaker 1: arrested him, everybody was like, oh, this is just procedural.
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Speaker 1: This is really nothing. Did he really break any laws?
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Speaker 1: He just sent an email to Jeffrey Epstein. What's the
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Speaker 1: big deal? Well, it's a big deal. First of all,
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Speaker 1: you can't send confidential information to people that aren't classified
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Speaker 1: to see it, especially if you're working for the government.
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Speaker 1: Not a great idea. And second of all, and maybe
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Speaker 1: even more damning, is that it opens the door for
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Speaker 1: other investigations. You know, people come forward, they have other evidence,
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Speaker 1: you know, piecemealed maybe. But when you stack it all together,
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Speaker 1: what you have is a gigantic case. And I think
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Speaker 1: that's what might be brewing over in the UK. Now,
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Speaker 1: are they going to pursue it all the way to
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Speaker 1: the ends of the earth and end up putting Andrew
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Speaker 1: behind bars? I have no idea. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: sit here and tell you, oh yeah, Andrew's going to prison.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. He should. But I'll tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: There is enough evidence here, in my opinion, that he
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Speaker 1: should have been part of the original case. A search
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Speaker 1: warrant application signed just days before Maxwell's 2020 arrest identified
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Speaker 1: at least three instances when Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Maxwell appeared
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Speaker 1: to discuss arrangements for young women, including ahead of his
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Speaker 1: official state visit to Peru in 2002. And look, folks,
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Speaker 1: I've been telling you for years now that there is
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Speaker 1: a whole other story going on down in South America,
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Speaker 1: Central America, and over in Eastern Europe. And this Epstein
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Speaker 1: story is still in its infancy. I know that's crazy
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Speaker 1: to say, but it is. And that's because we haven't
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Speaker 1: heard from all the people that were involved. We have snippets,
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Speaker 1: we have pieces, and that certainly gives us an idea
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Speaker 1: of what's going on, a bit of a map, but
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Speaker 1: it doesn't give us the full picture in HD. But
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Speaker 1: the image that it does show is very disturbing. And
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Speaker 1: what went down in Central and South America needs to
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Speaker 1: be investigated. How many girls were abused down there that
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Speaker 1: we don't even know about? And I don't just mean
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Speaker 1: by Epstein. I'm talking about people that were adjacent to him.
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Speaker 1: The Jean-Luc Brunels, the Prince Andrews, whoever. Because you know
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Speaker 1: that all these people that were associating with Epstein down there,
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Speaker 1: that were, you know, using his contacts, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: they were probably engaging in abuse as well. And I
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Speaker 1: think that if we ever had a real investigation looking
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Speaker 1: into the matter, the results would not only just be jaw-dropping,
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Speaker 1: they would be vomit-inducing. And the saddest part is, hardly
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Speaker 1: a word about it by anybody. As for girls, well,
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Speaker 1: I leave that entirely to you, said an email believed
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Speaker 1: to have been sent by Mountbatten-Windsor to Maxwell in February
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Speaker 1: of 2002. Signed, Masses of Love, A. A good old
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell. The dynamic duo. The Midnight Express.
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Speaker 1: Has there ever been two bigger idiots on the face
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Speaker 1: of this earth? Prince Andrew, everything given to him, had
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Speaker 1: the whole ass world at his feet, decides to hang
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Speaker 1: out with Elaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, that kind of
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Speaker 1: decision making should put Prince Andrew in prison. Never mind
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Speaker 1: what he did, just making the decision to hang out
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Speaker 1: with those two idiots should put your ass in jail.
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Speaker 1: In another email identified by the FBI, Mountbatten-Windsor asked Maxwell
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Speaker 1: about helping him find some new, inappropriate friends. According to
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Speaker 1: the search warrant, affidavit. So what could you possibly mean
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Speaker 1: by that, Prince Andrew? You certainly don't mean people to
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Speaker 1: help you check out the local sites. You're not looking
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Speaker 1: for somebody to surf with. You don't want to go
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Speaker 1: and eat empanadas with somebody. What does inappropriate friends mean?
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Speaker 1: There's no good way to frame that. There's no narrative
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Speaker 1: that explains that away in a manner that's acceptable. So
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Speaker 1: what does he mean? And is anybody ever going to
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Speaker 1: ask him? Hopefully, Scotland Yard has a lot to say
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Speaker 1: about it. But again, I have my doubts. Until they
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Speaker 1: prove that they can be trusted, they can't be trusted.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, that just goes for law enforcement in general
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Speaker 1: when we're talking about Epstein. I'm up here at Balmoral
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Speaker 1: Summer Camp for the Royal Family, Mountbatten-Windsor wrote in August
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Speaker 1: of 2001. Have you found some new and inappropriate friends
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Speaker 1: for me? Months later, ahead of his official visit to Peru,
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Speaker 1: Maxwell shared with Mountbatten-Windsor an email in which she asked
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Speaker 1: an acquaintance in Peru to help find him people who
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Speaker 1: are intelligent, pretty fun, and can be friendly and discreet. Well,
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Speaker 1: what do you think that means? Again, not going out
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Speaker 1: looking at the sights. Not heading to the beach. Not
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Speaker 1: checking out the local nightlife in Lima. Instead, he's looking
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Speaker 1: for inappropriate friends. Please, somebody try and explain that to me.
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Speaker 1: Some sightseeing, some two-legged sightseeing, read intelligent, pretty, fun, and
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Speaker 1: from good families, and he will be very happy. I
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Speaker 1: know I can rely on you to show him a
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Speaker 1: wonderful time, and that you will only introduce him to
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Speaker 1: friends that you can trust and rely on to be
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Speaker 1: friendly and discreet and fun, Maxwell wrote in March of 2002. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Maxwell had nothing to do with ever hooking anybody up
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Speaker 1: with women or girls, Come on, what are you, a
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist? Meanwhile, we have emails littering this new dump
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Speaker 1: that we have from the DOJ pointing to Glenn Maxwell
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Speaker 1: doing exactly that. Got it. I'll ring him today if
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Speaker 1: I can. I love you, A. An email associated with
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Speaker 1: Mountbatten-Windsor responded. According to a search application released earlier this
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Speaker 1: year by the Department of Justice, The FBI believed those
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Speaker 1: emails showed Andrew and Maxwell discussing her attempts to arrange
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Speaker 1: for young females to engage in sex acts with them.
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Speaker 1: The messages were cited as part of an application to
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Speaker 1: get a judge's permission to search dozens of electronic devices
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Speaker 1: seized from Epstein's residences. But now, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: the DOJ says nobody else was involved, no co-conspirators, no
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Speaker 1: evidence of anything bigger going on here. And Epstein was
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Speaker 1: just sitting around watching child abuse videos. And you know,
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Speaker 1: that's all it was. They really think you're stupid. They
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Speaker 1: really do. And I had a listener point out the
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Speaker 1: other day, and I found it to be a very
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Speaker 1: good email, that when I was talking about this disgusting-ass CP,
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Speaker 1: I actually called it CP. But that's not what it is.
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Speaker 1: It's just straight-up abuse. Children can't be involved in that
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Speaker 1: kind of video. And while that much should be obvious
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Speaker 1: to people out there, It has to be said, I guess,
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Speaker 1: because we live in that kind of world. But anyone
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Speaker 1: who possesses that kind of content or those kinds of videos,
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Speaker 1: you're just a straight up animal. And as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned... If you have that shit in your possession...
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Speaker 1: You should be thrown into a live volcano. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but that's how I feel. There is no excuse for it.
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Speaker 1: There's no coming back from it. There's no rehabbing yourself
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Speaker 1: from it. It is the most vile, disgusting shit... you
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Speaker 1: can get involved in. And there's no place for people
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Speaker 1: like that in civilized society. Neither the palace nor a
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Speaker 1: representative from the former Prince Andrew responded to a request
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Speaker 1: for comment from ABC News. Mountbatten-Windsor has long denied any wrongdoing,
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Speaker 1: and Maxwell, who was convicted on sex trafficking charges in 2021,
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Speaker 1: was never charged with arranging women for Mountbatten-Windsor. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: they kept the scope small, on purpose. all by design.
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Speaker 1: And boy, they really did a good job, didn't they?
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Speaker 1: Talk about controlling the blast radius. To date, Prince Andrew
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Speaker 1: has provided zero cooperation, former U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Berman said
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Speaker 1: in January of 2020. The disclosure of the new documents,
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Speaker 1: come as police in the United Kingdom, are renewing their
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Speaker 1: scrutiny of Mountbatten-Windsor. In an interview with ABC News earlier
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Speaker 1: this month, Metro Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said, said
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Speaker 1: his office was seeking unredacted material related to Epstein from
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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. And I think that the Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice should pony that shit up. But considering how
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Speaker 1: petty this administration is, I have my doubts. With all
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Speaker 1: the issues going on with the Strait of Hormuz, with
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Speaker 1: what's going on in Iran, and the back and forth
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Speaker 1: between America and Europe, I have my doubts. We all
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Speaker 1: know Trump's petty, and we also know that he wants
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Speaker 1: to keep this shit under wraps. So I have a
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Speaker 1: hard time believing that he's going to offer any help
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Speaker 1: to the UK. There's a whole range of suggested sexual
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Speaker 1: allegations and those are being assessed at the moment to
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Speaker 1: see whether any of them do actually merit a criminal investigation,
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Speaker 1: Rowley said. And I think that an investigation is the
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Speaker 1: very least that should occur here. Because it's been a
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Speaker 1: long time coming. So hopefully they stay true to their
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Speaker 1: word and they actually investigate what went on here. But
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Speaker 1: like usual, I have my doubts. So, we'll keep on
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Speaker 1: keeping on and we'll see where it ends up. And
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Speaker 1: when we have some more information about what's going on
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Speaker 1: with Prince Andrew and the current case against him, we'll
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Speaker 1: get it added to the catalog. All of the information
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Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome to another episode
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Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. Previously, we talked about Maritza Vasquez
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Speaker 1: and the deposition that she gave. And in that deposition,
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Speaker 1: she had a lot of very interesting things to say
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Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Epstein, Jean-Luc Brunel, and their behavior in South
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Speaker 1: and Central America. And I don't think that part of
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Speaker 1: the story gets anywhere near enough attention. So in this episode,
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit about the pipeline
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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein and Jean-Luc Brunel had via MC Squared
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Speaker 1: from Central and South America. What makes Jeffrey Epstein's activity
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Speaker 1: in Central and South America so disturbing is not just
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Speaker 1: how extensive it appears to have been, but how deliberately
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Speaker 1: invisible it was made. These regions rarely feature in mainstream coverage,
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Speaker 1: yet they surface repeatedly when survivor testimony and depositions are
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Speaker 1: examined closely. Epstein didn't stumble into these places by accident,
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Speaker 1: nor were they peripheral to his operation. Instead, they represented
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Speaker 1: ideal hunting grounds defined by poverty, weak institutions, corruptible officials,
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Speaker 1: and population with little access to legal recourse. Central and
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Speaker 1: South America offered something Epstein always sought. Distance from scrutiny
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Speaker 1: and an abundance of people, society was conditioned not to
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Speaker 1: listen to. The silence surrounding these regions is itself part
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Speaker 1: of the crime. It reflects whose suffering is considered newsworthy
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Speaker 1: and whose is quietly ignored. Epstein understood that hierarchy of
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Speaker 1: attention perfectly. He built his system around it. And one
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Speaker 1: of the most illuminating windows into this hidden geography comes
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Speaker 1: from the deposition of Maritza Vasquez, a former employee of
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Speaker 1: Jean-Luc Brunel at MC2. Vasquez described a pipeline that was
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Speaker 1: not informal or chaotic, but structured, repeatable, and deliberate. Young
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Speaker 1: girls were identified, groomed, moved, and delivered with bureaucratic efficiencies.
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Speaker 1: The process mirrored trafficking operations more than modeling recruitment, despite
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Speaker 1: the industry cover. According to her testimony, dozens upon dozens
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Speaker 1: of girls passed through this system into the United States.
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Speaker 1: These weren't isolated cases or misunderstandings. They were the product
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Speaker 1: of a machine designed to extract bodies from vulnerable regions
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Speaker 1: and deliver them to powerful men. And of course, Epstein
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Speaker 1: was not just adjacent to the process. He was central
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Speaker 1: to it. Vasquez's account becomes even more harrowing when she
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Speaker 1: describes what occurred in countries like Peru. These were not
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Speaker 1: merely recruitment zones, but sites of direct abuse. She spoke
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Speaker 1: of horrifying acts carried out by Brunel and Epstein themselves,
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Speaker 1: acts that were facilitated by local conditions and near total impunity.
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Speaker 1: Peru's extreme poverty created leverage that predators could exploit with
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Speaker 1: devastating ease. Families were desperate, institutions were underfunded, and oversight
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Speaker 1: was minimal. In that environment, the promise of opportunity carried
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Speaker 1: immense weight. Modeling, travel, and money functioned as both bait
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Speaker 1: and coercion. What followed was systematic exploitation, not chance victimization.
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Speaker 1: And Brazil emerges in similar fashion within this fragmented but
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Speaker 1: consistent body of evidence. Like Peru, it represented a convergence
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Speaker 1: of poverty, inequality, and entrenched corruption. Epstein's interest in Brazil
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Speaker 1: aligns perfectly with his broader pattern of targeting communities where
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Speaker 1: resistance was less likely to succeed. These were places where
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Speaker 1: victims could disappear without consequence. Law enforcement agencies lacked resources,
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Speaker 1: political will, or independence. Epstein thrived in those gaps. His
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Speaker 1: crimes did not require secrecy so much as indifference. Brazil,
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Speaker 1: like Peru, offered that indifference in abundance. When these South
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Speaker 1: American and Central American operations are compared to what we
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Speaker 1: know about Brunel's recruitment network in Eastern Europe, the similarities
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Speaker 1: are impossible to ignore. The same tactics appear repeatedly across continents.
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Speaker 1: Young girls were recruited under false pretenses tied to modeling
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Speaker 1: or work. They were isolated from support systems and transported
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Speaker 1: across borders. Control was maintained through intimidation, manipulation, and dependency.
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Speaker 1: The end result was always the same, sexual exploitation for
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Speaker 1: the benefit of elite men. Geography changed, but the structure
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Speaker 1: did not. That repetition is the signature of an organized system,
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Speaker 1: not an opportunistic predator. Eastern Europe has received more attention,
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Speaker 1: largely because some victims later surfaced in Western Europe or
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Speaker 1: in the United States. Central and South America, by contrast,
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Speaker 1: functioned as deeper black holes. Victims disappeared into the machinery
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Speaker 1: and rarely re-emerged. Language barriers, immigration status, and economic desperation
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Speaker 1: compounded their invisibility. Survivors who did escape often lacked the
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Speaker 1: means to pursue justice internationally. Epstein counted on that. He
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Speaker 1: built his empire on asymmetry. Power versus poverty. Lawyers versus silence.
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Speaker 1: Money versus memory. The regions he chose were no accident.
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Speaker 1: They were strategic decisions. Informed. by experience. Understanding the scale
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Speaker 1: of Epstein's predation requires abandoning the comforting fiction of a
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Speaker 1: limited victim count. The publicly identified victims represent only those
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Speaker 1: who survived long enough, escaped far enough, and were heard
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Speaker 1: loudly enough. Every trafficking pipeline implies a volume that vastly
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Speaker 1: exceeds the known cases. Vasquez's testimony alone suggests dozens of
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Speaker 1: victims moving through a single node. Multiply that by years, regions,
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Speaker 1: and recruiters, and the numbers escalate rapidly. This wasn't a
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Speaker 1: handful of girls over a decade. It was an industrial
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Speaker 1: operation spanning continents. The true number of victims is almost
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Speaker 1: certainly far higher than commonly acknowledged. The idea that the
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Speaker 1: victim count may reach into the thousands is not sensationalism.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a logical inference. Epstein operated for decades
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Speaker 1: with consistent patterns and minimal interruption. He had access to
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Speaker 1: vast financial resources and protection at multiple institutional levels. His
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Speaker 1: network included recruiters, fixers, lawyers, pilots, and enablers. Each of
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Speaker 1: those roles multiplied his reach. Think about it. Every year
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Speaker 1: of uninterrupted activity expanded the pool of victims exponentially. To
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Speaker 1: assume a small number is to misunderstand how systematic abuse operates.
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Speaker 1: Large systems produce large harm. What is especially difficult to
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Speaker 1: confront is how many entities had to cooperate knowingly or
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Speaker 1: otherwise for this to continue. Airlines, immigration authorities, modeling agencies, banks,
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Speaker 1: and law firms all played roles, whether through action or omission.
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Speaker 1: Passports were processed, visas approved, flight booked, and money moved.
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Speaker 1: These processes do not happen in a vacuum. Epstein's predation
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Speaker 1: required frictionless movement across borders. That frictionlessness only exists when
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Speaker 1: institutions fail or choose not to intervene. The system protected
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Speaker 1: them not through conspiracy alone, but through routine indifference, bureaucracy
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Speaker 1: became the camouflage. Central and South America were particularly useful
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Speaker 1: because abuses were less likely to attract international outrage. Crimes
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Speaker 1: against poor girls in Lima or rural Brazil did not
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Speaker 1: generate the same response as crimes in New York or Paris.
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Speaker 1: And Epstein understood the global media hierarchy. He exploited it ruthlessly.
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Speaker 1: The suffering of these victims was geographically and socially distanced
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Speaker 1: from the centers of power that could have stopped them.
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Speaker 1: That distance insulated them. It also ensured that even today,
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Speaker 1: their stories remain largely untold. Silence was never incidental, as
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Speaker 1: we've discussed. It's always been structural. And the role of
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Speaker 1: Jean-Luc Brunel in these regions underscores how Epstein outsourced parts
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Speaker 1: of his operation Brunel was not a peripheral figure, but
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Speaker 1: a key lieutenant. He provided access, legitimacy, and industry cover.
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Speaker 1: MC2 functioned as both shield and funnel. It allowed the
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Speaker 1: abuse to masquerade as opportunity. And with Brunel being so
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Speaker 1: familiar with international recruitment, it made the expansion into new
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Speaker 1: regions easier. Epstein didn't have to reinvent the wheel each time.
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Speaker 1: He simply extended an existing model into new territories. Central
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Speaker 1: and South America were logical next steps. The psychological toll
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Speaker 1: on victims from these regions is often compounded by cultural
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Speaker 1: and economic factors. Many came from environments where authority figures
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Speaker 1: were already untrustworthy. Abuse by powerful foreigners reinforced a sense
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Speaker 1: of helplessness. Shame, fear, and isolation were intensified by language
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Speaker 1: barriers and immigration status. Even when victims recognized they had
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Speaker 1: been exploited, escape probably felt impossible. Reporting the abuse meant
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Speaker 1: confronting institutions that had already failed them. Epstein relied on
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Speaker 1: that despair. It was one of his most effective tools.
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Speaker 1: And in my opinion, the absence of a comprehensive global
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Speaker 1: investigation into Epstein's activities is one of the greatest failures
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Speaker 1: of modern justice. How many national inquiries have been siloed
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Speaker 1: and incomplete? Cross-border cooperation has been minimal. Evidence from places
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Speaker 1: like Peru and Brazil has never been fully collected or analyzed.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses remain uncontacted and potential crime scenes unexamined. This fragmentation
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Speaker 1: benefits perpetrators and erases victims. Epstein's death froze many investigations
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Speaker 1: in place. And the world largely accepted that freeze. The
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Speaker 1: cost of that acceptance is immeasurable. When we talk about
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Speaker 1: Epstein's complex operation, complexity should not be mistaken for mystery.
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Speaker 1: The patterns are visible if one chooses to look. Recruitment
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Speaker 1: in vulnerable regions, transportation, the hubs of power, exploitation under
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Speaker 1: the protection of wealth, and silencing through legal intimidation form
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Speaker 1: a clear sequence. Central and South America fit perfectly into
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Speaker 1: that sequence. They were not anomalies or footnotes. They were
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Speaker 1: integral components. And ignoring them, distorts the true scope of
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Speaker 1: the crimes. It also protects those who benefited. The moral
23:31
Speaker 1: failure extends beyond Epstein himself to the societies that allowed
23:35
Speaker 1: his crimes to be minimized. Discomfort with acknowledging mass victimization
23:39
Speaker 1: often leads to denial. Thousands of victims feel abstract and overwhelming.
23:44
Speaker 1: Smaller numbers feel manageable and containable. That psychological impulse shapes
23:50
Speaker 1: media narratives and legal priorities. And the Epstein story, more
23:54
Speaker 1: than any other, has been framed in ways that make
23:58
Speaker 1: it easier to process. Central and South America disrupt that comfort.
24:02
Speaker 1: They force a reckoning with scale. And every new testimony
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Speaker 1: that surfaces reinforces how much remains hidden. Maritza Vasquez is
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Speaker 1: unlikely to be the last person to describe these pipelines.
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Speaker 1: Others exist who have not yet been heard or protected
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Speaker 1: enough to speak. Many victims will never come forward at all. Death, poverty,
24:23
Speaker 1: and trauma have already erased countless voices. That silence should
24:28
Speaker 1: not be mistaken for absence. It's evidence of how effective
24:32
Speaker 1: the system was. Epstein's success depended on people disappearing quietly.
24:39
Speaker 1: So what ultimately emerges from examining Epstein's activities in these
24:43
Speaker 1: regions is not just a portrait of a predator, but
24:46
Speaker 1: of a global failure. His crimes were enabled by inequality, corruption,
24:51
Speaker 1: and selective outrage. Central and South America were not just
24:55
Speaker 1: places he visited, they were places he exploited systematically. The
25:00
Speaker 1: suffering that occurred there is inseparable from the broader story.
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Speaker 1: To admit it is to tell a partial truth. Partial
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Speaker 1: truths are how systems of abuse survive. Full reckonings begin
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Speaker 1: by refusing to look away. If there's any obligation left
25:15
Speaker 1: to fulfill, it's to pursue the full scope of the
25:18
Speaker 1: harm without regard for convenience or comfort. That means asking
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Speaker 1: how many victims there really were and accepting answers that
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Speaker 1: disturb us. It means treating testimony from places like Peru
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Speaker 1: and Brazil with the same seriousness afforded to testimony from
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Speaker 1: Manhattan or Palm Beach. Epstein's legacy is not just one
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Speaker 1: man's depravity, but a map of global vulnerability. Central and
25:44
Speaker 1: South America are etched deeply into that map. Until they
25:49
Speaker 1: are fully acknowledged, justice will remain incomplete. All of the
25:54
Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
25:58
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up everyone and welcome to another
26:01
Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. Over the past couple of months,
26:06
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about Melania Trump and
26:10
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And a lot of that conversation has to
26:13
Speaker 1: do with what Amanda Ungaro has claimed. Well now, Amanda
26:19
Speaker 1: Ongaro is claiming once again that Donald and Melania Trump
26:25
Speaker 1: were introduced by Jeffrey Epstein. And not only that, but
26:30
Speaker 1: according to her, Melania Trump was an escort. Now look,
26:34
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of that is true, but
26:37
Speaker 1: that's what Amanda Ongaro is saying. Now of course, the
26:41
Speaker 1: flip side of that is that she's going through a
26:44
Speaker 1: contentious custody battle right now with Zampolli. And there could
26:48
Speaker 1: be some animosity. But we have to understand that Melania
26:52
Speaker 1: Trump and Amanda Ongaro, they were pretty close. And back
26:57
Speaker 1: in 2017, at the inauguration dinner, they were even sitting together.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like Amanda Ongaro is coming out of
27:05
Speaker 1: left field and doesn't know the Trump family. But does
27:08
Speaker 1: that mean she's telling the truth? I have no idea,
27:12
Speaker 1: but I do find it a bit suspicious the way
27:14
Speaker 1: Melania Trump held that impromptu news conference or press conference,
27:18
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, speech where she denied
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Speaker 1: involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. And then, of course, we have
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Speaker 1: the Adriana Ross 302 that tells us the same thing
27:29
Speaker 1: that Amanda Ungaro saying. And look, somewhere in the middle
27:33
Speaker 1: of all of that is the truth. So let's jump
27:36
Speaker 1: into this article from the International Business Times. And let's
27:40
Speaker 1: see if we can get any closer to the ever-elusive
27:43
Speaker 1: and slippery truth about Melania Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Headline,
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Speaker 1: former Brazilian model claims Melania Trump was an escort for
27:53
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein before she met Donald Trump. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Jim Manzon. Amanda Angaro, a former Brazilian model
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Speaker 1: who sat at First Lady Melania Trump's personal table during
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Speaker 1: the 2017 inauguration dinner, alleged in a now-deleted recording circulated
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Speaker 1: on X this weekend that Melania was an escort for
28:16
Speaker 1: convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, and that Epstein, not modeling
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Speaker 1: agent Paolo Zampalli, introduced her to Donald Trump. Now, of course, Melania,
28:26
Speaker 1: she denies all of that. She says that's all BS,
28:30
Speaker 1: and that anybody saying that is defaming her and slandering her.
28:35
Speaker 1: And she has that lawsuit going right now against Michael Wolff.
28:38
Speaker 1: But there's nothing as far as the lawsuit filed against
28:41
Speaker 1: Amanda Ongaro. And if she's the one where the story originated,
28:44
Speaker 1: you would think that she'd be the one being sued.
28:47
Speaker 1: It's not about the people talking about the story. It's
28:50
Speaker 1: about the people breaking it. So I would think that
28:53
Speaker 1: if Amanda Ongaro is not telling the truth, if she's
28:56
Speaker 1: lying about this, then they'd sue her. But we haven't
28:59
Speaker 1: seen that yet. So what does that tell us? Ongaro,
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Speaker 1: who spent nearly 20 years in a relationship with Zampolli,
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Speaker 1: directly addressed her ex-partner in a leaked WhatsApp voice recording
29:11
Speaker 1: that went viral on X late on Sunday before being
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Speaker 1: scrubbed hours later. And there's so much of this going on,
29:18
Speaker 1: it's hard to keep track. And there's a lot of misinformation, folks.
29:23
Speaker 1: So when I tell you I don't know what's true
29:25
Speaker 1: and what's not, it's because we don't have enough information
29:28
Speaker 1: to really make the leap. Now, of course, people will.
29:31
Speaker 1: But as you know, I don't care about being first.
29:35
Speaker 1: I care about getting as close to the truth as
29:37
Speaker 1: we possibly can. Now does that mean that always happens?
29:40
Speaker 1: Of course not. But my goal is to always get
29:43
Speaker 1: as close as we can because it's important and the
29:47
Speaker 1: facts matter. And if there's ever going to be accountability,
29:51
Speaker 1: it has to be fact-based, not based on vibes, not
29:55
Speaker 1: based on feelings. And certainly not based on trust me, bro.
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Speaker 1: So I'm more than willing to listen to what Amanda
30:00
Speaker 1: Ongaro has to say. But we need to see some facts.
30:03
Speaker 1: We need to see some evidence, right? Let's tell the
30:07
Speaker 1: public you never was the one introducing Melania to Trump.
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Speaker 1: It was Jeffrey Epstein and she was an escort of
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. That's how she met Donald Trump. Ongaro said,
30:17
Speaker 1: you mean a woman being trafficked by Epstein. That's what
30:20
Speaker 1: that means. Epstein didn't have escorts in the traditional sense.
30:25
Speaker 1: You weren't calling Epstein up on a Friday night when
30:27
Speaker 1: you're in New York as a regular guy saying, hey, Jeff,
30:31
Speaker 1: hook it up, brother. Send me over a blonde. That
30:34
Speaker 1: was reserved for special people. People allegedly like Donnie Diddles.
30:41
Speaker 1: She added that Zampoli told her privately for years that
30:45
Speaker 1: he was the one who arranged the introduction. The recording
30:48
Speaker 1: was first published on X by independent journalist Anthony Andrews,
30:53
Speaker 1: who stated he shared the media file at Ungaro's direct request.
30:57
Speaker 1: Andrew later noted that Ungaro asked him to take it down,
31:01
Speaker 1: but by then the copies had already spread across multiple
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Speaker 1: social platforms. With as sue-happy as the Trumps are, why
31:08
Speaker 1: aren't they suing this dude? Why aren't they suing Amanda Ungaro?
31:13
Speaker 1: No answer for that, right? You would think that they'd
31:15
Speaker 1: be firing off lawsuits. the second they hear about this.
31:18
Speaker 1: But no, not yet. Ungaro's claims don't exist in isolation.
31:24
Speaker 1: A heavily redacted FBI FD-302 proffer interview conducted in July
31:29
Speaker 1: of 2019, days after Epstein's arrest on sex trafficking charges,
31:34
Speaker 1: contains a strikingly similar account from a separate witness, Adriana Ross.
31:39
Speaker 1: And if anybody knows Jeffrey Epstein, well, one of the
31:42
Speaker 1: core four is certainly it. Now again, does that mean
31:45
Speaker 1: that it's true? We don't have enough information one way
31:49
Speaker 1: or the other. But there's certainly some smoke here. The
31:53
Speaker 1: question is just how big the fire is. A former
31:57
Speaker 1: assistant interviewed under a proffer agreement that carries federal penalties
32:01
Speaker 1: for false statements told FBI agents and federal prosecutors that
32:05
Speaker 1: Epstein introduced Melania Trump to Donald Trump. And that's what
32:08
Speaker 1: I told you at the time. You cannot lie during
32:11
Speaker 1: a proffer session. If you do, the deal is null
32:13
Speaker 1: and void. And not only that, it's illegal to lie
32:16
Speaker 1: to the FBI. And just as a side note, that's
32:19
Speaker 1: why I suggest, if you ever have to speak to
32:21
Speaker 1: the FBI, do not do it by yourself. Have a
32:24
Speaker 1: lawyer present, no matter what. The last thing you want
32:26
Speaker 1: to do is get caught up with the feds. The
32:31
Speaker 1: same witness said Zampoli and Epstein had been trying to
32:33
Speaker 1: buy a French modeling agency, Elite Models, together, and that
32:37
Speaker 1: Epstein visited Zampoli's agency during casting auditions to review modeling portfolios.
32:43
Speaker 1: The 11-page document was released as part of the Department
32:46
Speaker 1: of Justice's Epstein filed transparency act disclosure earlier this year.
32:51
Speaker 1: And we went through that already. So you had it
32:53
Speaker 1: in their own words, not me telling you. So you
32:57
Speaker 1: can actually hear what she had to say. And I
33:00
Speaker 1: think that's one of the most important parts that people
33:03
Speaker 1: actually get a look at this documentation for themselves. It's
33:06
Speaker 1: one thing to have my dumb ass tell you it's
33:09
Speaker 1: another for you to be able to dive into it
33:11
Speaker 1: and take a look for yourself. And I think that's
33:13
Speaker 1: one of the driving forces here because I think it
33:15
Speaker 1: takes away a lot of the trust me, bro. When
33:18
Speaker 1: you can go and look for yourself, it's a lot
33:21
Speaker 1: easier to be comfortable and confident that you're on the
33:24
Speaker 1: right path. The allegations add new weight to questions surrounding
33:30
Speaker 1: Melania Trump's surprise White House address on April 9th when
33:33
Speaker 1: she publicly denied any connection to Epstein without apparent prompt.
33:37
Speaker 1: And it was weird then, it's weird now. Of course,
33:40
Speaker 1: now that we have a little bit more context, starts
33:43
Speaker 1: to make a little bit more sense, but not really. Unless,
33:48
Speaker 1: of course, Adriana Ross and Amanda Ongaro are telling the truth.
33:54
Speaker 1: I am not an Epstein victim. Epstein did not introduce
33:57
Speaker 1: me to Donald Trump. I met my husband, by chance,
34:00
Speaker 1: at a New York City party in 1998, Melania said
34:03
Speaker 1: from the Grand Foyer before walking away without taking questions.
34:08
Speaker 1: President Trump told reporters at the time that he had
34:11
Speaker 1: not known about the statement in advance. But Ungaro had
34:14
Speaker 1: been posting escalating messages on X directed at Melania's archived
34:19
Speaker 1: First Lady account in the days before the denial, claiming
34:23
Speaker 1: to possess compromising information and vowing to expose everything. Not
34:28
Speaker 1: exactly what you want to hear as the First Lady,
34:31
Speaker 1: but that whole entire speech she gave, a little bit odd.
34:35
Speaker 1: There's no denying that. I mean, think about it. The
34:37
Speaker 1: First Lady of the United States getting up there and
34:40
Speaker 1: denying that she was part of Epstein's organization? One of
34:45
Speaker 1: the worst human traffickers maybe in history? One of the
34:47
Speaker 1: most devious people in the history of the country? And
34:51
Speaker 1: the First Lady of the United States has to get
34:53
Speaker 1: up there and deny that she had any connection to him?
34:56
Speaker 1: Is that how far we have fallen? Shit's embarrassing, folks.
35:00
Speaker 1: Really embarrassing. Ongaro's proximity to the first family is well documented.
35:07
Speaker 1: She and Zampoli attended the 2017 inauguration and set up
35:11
Speaker 1: Melania's personal table during the dinner. They also celebrated New
35:15
Speaker 1: Year's with the Trumps at Mar-a-Lago. Ongaro herself was 17
35:20
Speaker 1: when she boarded Epstein's private jet in 2002, accompanied by
35:24
Speaker 1: French modeling scout Jean-Luc Bruneau, a known Epstein recruiter. I'm
35:29
Speaker 1: sure that they were just going to check things out, right?
35:32
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Brunel wasn't trying to bring Ongaro into
35:36
Speaker 1: that world. These people think you're stupid. That's what they think. Zampoli,
35:44
Speaker 1: who now serves as Trump's special envoy for global partnerships
35:48
Speaker 1: and sits on the Kennedy Center Board of Trustees, told
35:51
Speaker 1: the Daily Beast the allegations were a disgrace directed at
35:54
Speaker 1: our marvelous First Lady. He has maintained for years that
35:58
Speaker 1: he introduced the Trumps at a 1998 New York party.
36:02
Speaker 1: The allegations remain unverified. Ongaro is currently locked in a
36:06
Speaker 1: bitter custody battle with Zampoli and was deported to Brazil
36:10
Speaker 1: in 2025 after her arrest on fraud-related charges. Yo, that's
36:15
Speaker 1: pretty comical. Fraud? Just go and take a look at
36:19
Speaker 1: the White House. Plenty of it there. But keeping it
36:23
Speaker 1: a buck, Amanda Ongaro certainly has an axe to grind.
36:27
Speaker 1: She has some beef with the Trumps, so we have
36:29
Speaker 1: to take what she says with a grain of salt.
36:31
Speaker 1: Does that mean it's not true? Does that mean it
36:33
Speaker 1: didn't happen? Absolutely not. But we have to take it
36:36
Speaker 1: for what it is. But I don't think it should
36:38
Speaker 1: be discounted and dismissed out of hand. And I certainly
36:41
Speaker 1: think that there's enough evidence, circumstantial anyway, to dig deeper.
36:46
Speaker 1: Where that ends up leading, who knows? But we're never
36:49
Speaker 1: going to find out if we don't travel down that path.
36:52
Speaker 1: So that's what we'll continue to do. As the evidence
36:56
Speaker 1: comes in or the information comes in, we'll get it
36:58
Speaker 1: added to the catalog. All the information for this one
37:02
Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up everyone
37:06
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. I
37:11
Speaker 1: don't think I'm telling you folks anything new when I
37:13
Speaker 1: tell you that the modeling world is filled with a
37:17
Speaker 1: bunch of seedy, disgusting people. And it's not just men.
37:23
Speaker 1: You have people like Faith Cates who knew exactly what
37:26
Speaker 1: Epstein was and simply didn't care. I mean, after the
37:30
Speaker 1: allegations from Virginia first came out, Faith Cates was still
37:34
Speaker 1: advising Jeffrey Epstein on what he should do. How he
37:39
Speaker 1: should move, who he should talk to, what sort of
37:43
Speaker 1: events he should go to, and the kind of donations
37:46
Speaker 1: that he should be making to insulate himself from the
37:48
Speaker 1: allegations that are being made. And this comes on top
37:53
Speaker 1: of what we already knew from 2009. So keep that
37:57
Speaker 1: in mind when Faith Cates says she has no idea
38:00
Speaker 1: what Jeffrey Epstein was. Because in my opinion, not only
38:03
Speaker 1: did she know what Jeffrey Epstein was, she helped enable him.
38:09
Speaker 1: Today we have an article from The Guardian and the headline,
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Speaker 1: Faith Cates, the woman who introduced models to dear friend
38:15
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. This article was authored by Lucy Osborne. A
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Speaker 1: female executive at the top of the modeling industry had
38:25
Speaker 1: a close friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and introduced him to
38:29
Speaker 1: women on the agency's books a Guardian investigation has found.
38:34
Speaker 1: So not only was she introducing him to women, she
38:37
Speaker 1: was introducing him to women that were working for her.
38:40
Speaker 1: Women that were part of her agency and women that
38:44
Speaker 1: she obviously had a responsibility to. But that didn't matter
38:48
Speaker 1: to Faith Cates, did it? As long as her buddy,
38:51
Speaker 1: good old Jeffy, is having a great time, and he's
38:54
Speaker 1: meeting new women, who cares about all these other girls
38:57
Speaker 1: who were abused, who had their lives ruined? To somebody
39:00
Speaker 1: like Faith Cates, that doesn't matter. Until last November, Faith
39:06
Speaker 1: Cates ran Next Management Modeling and Talent Agency, which has
39:11
Speaker 1: represented the likes of Alexa Chung, Mila Jovovich, and Billie Eilish,
39:16
Speaker 1: a position that she held for decades as founder of
39:19
Speaker 1: the business. She stepped down quietly just weeks before the
39:23
Speaker 1: first major Epstein files were released, saying she intended to
39:27
Speaker 1: focus on charity work. Oh, that's always the excuse. Did
39:32
Speaker 1: you see the charity work that I did for so-and-so?
39:35
Speaker 1: I helped so-and-so over here, and that means that I'm
39:38
Speaker 1: a good person, right? No, it doesn't mean you're a
39:40
Speaker 1: good person. All it means is that you know that
39:42
Speaker 1: that strategy has worked throughout history, and you're going to
39:46
Speaker 1: try and employ it as well. But I think that
39:48
Speaker 1: people are hip to that sort of nonsense these days,
39:51
Speaker 1: and they know that these kind of rich people are
39:53
Speaker 1: always trying to drape themselves in armor made out of
39:57
Speaker 1: charitable giving. Links between Cates and the late sex offender
40:03
Speaker 1: have previously been reported, but analysis of documents published by
40:07
Speaker 1: the U.S. Department of Justice reveals a much deeper relationship
40:11
Speaker 1: than previously known, with emails showing Cates secretly took business
40:16
Speaker 1: advice from Epstein and discuss multi-million dollar loans. And if
40:21
Speaker 1: you notice, that's an ongoing theme when it comes to
40:23
Speaker 1: all these people and Jeffrey Epstein. They all wanted something
40:26
Speaker 1: from him, and they were willing to look the other
40:28
Speaker 1: way in order to achieve their goals. And that's why
40:31
Speaker 1: I find it so laughable when they come out after
40:34
Speaker 1: the fact and act like they had no idea who
40:37
Speaker 1: Epstein was, what he was doing, or the fact that
40:40
Speaker 1: he was an absolute sick degenerate. They all knew. They
40:44
Speaker 1: just didn't care. Cates appears to have met Epstein regularly,
40:49
Speaker 1: including on one occasion with the then Prince Andrew at
40:53
Speaker 1: a New York department store in December of 2010, the
40:57
Speaker 1: week of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor's now infamous visit to the
41:00
Speaker 1: city to supposedly call off his friendship with a financier.
41:05
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we know that's exactly why he went to
41:07
Speaker 1: New York. What, you wouldn't fly across the Atlantic to
41:11
Speaker 1: go and tell some child molester you couldn't be his
41:13
Speaker 1: friend anymore? Come on. Don't you have any honor? Don't
41:18
Speaker 1: you have any kind of compassion for a guy like
41:21
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein? Well, that's what Prince Andrew wants us to believe.
41:27
Speaker 1: That he flew all the way across the Atlantic because
41:30
Speaker 1: he no longer wanted to be friends with Jeffrey Epstein,
41:33
Speaker 1: but he just decided to stick around for a few
41:35
Speaker 1: days and sleep on old boy's couch. Cates, 68, offered
41:41
Speaker 1: her support and unconditional friendship after Epstein was first convicted
41:45
Speaker 1: for soliciting a child for prostitution in 2009. She was
41:50
Speaker 1: still sending friendly emails weeks before he was arrested again
41:55
Speaker 1: in 2019. More troubling is that across their nearly 40-year relationship,
42:01
Speaker 1: it seems Cates connected a number of her models with Epstein,
42:05
Speaker 1: raising serious questions for the woman who has been responsible
42:08
Speaker 1: for the career's and ultimately the welfare of thousands of
42:11
Speaker 1: young women. There's no evidence to suggest that Cates was
42:15
Speaker 1: aware of Epstein's offending prior to his 2009 conviction. Okay,
42:21
Speaker 1: no evidence, no smoking gun, but I don't think it's
42:24
Speaker 1: that big of a leap to think that all these
42:26
Speaker 1: people that were around him knew what he was doing,
42:29
Speaker 1: and you're going to have a real hard time convincing
42:30
Speaker 1: me otherwise. The revelations prompted next, which until now has
42:37
Speaker 1: not commented on its founder's relationship with the sex offender,
42:41
Speaker 1: to thoroughly distance itself from her. In a statement to
42:44
Speaker 1: The Guardian, a spokesperson said the company was working to
42:48
Speaker 1: end all legal ties with Cates and that her relationship
42:51
Speaker 1: with Epstein was completely and absolutely unknown to Next Management
42:56
Speaker 1: and its top executives. We had no idea. We all
43:00
Speaker 1: have Epstein amnesia. Jeffrey Epstein, who's that? Never heard of
43:04
Speaker 1: the guy. It's always the same nonsense. Always the same line.
43:09
Speaker 1: Always the same playbook. And it's always met with the
43:12
Speaker 1: same response. Oh, well, they didn't know. Come on. How's
43:15
Speaker 1: anyone supposed to know? Meanwhile, everybody knew, including people working
43:20
Speaker 1: at airports, people that lived around Jeffrey Epstein, and certainly
43:24
Speaker 1: people that were at parties with him. A spokesperson for
43:29
Speaker 1: Cates said that she never put a model in harm's
43:32
Speaker 1: way by sending them to an inappropriate go-sees or meetings, adding,
43:37
Speaker 1: Epstein was a master manipulator. People around him knew only
43:41
Speaker 1: what he wanted them to know. Oh, that's the new narrative.
43:45
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that everybody's calling him a master manipulator
43:48
Speaker 1: all of a sudden? Let me translate that for you.
43:51
Speaker 1: Master manipulator means somebody I wanted money from and somebody
43:56
Speaker 1: I got money from. And now that he's dead and
44:00
Speaker 1: that people are asking questions about our relationship, I'll just
44:04
Speaker 1: say that I got manipulated. He's not alive to argue
44:08
Speaker 1: the point. He's not alive to say that that's not true. So,
44:12
Speaker 1: that's going to be the narrative. And you see that
44:16
Speaker 1: becoming a big talking point for a lot of these people. Oh,
44:20
Speaker 1: he manipulated me. He was the world's greatest manipulator. Or
44:25
Speaker 1: was it that you were just greedy? There are more
44:29
Speaker 1: than 5,000 mentions of Cates in the files, although some
44:32
Speaker 1: are duplicates. The emails between the two are frequent. The
44:36
Speaker 1: messages are often effusive in tone, with Cates regularly telling
44:40
Speaker 1: Epstein how good of a friend he was, at one
44:43
Speaker 1: point telling him, I really do love you like a brother.
44:47
Speaker 1: One of the first emails in the file was sent
44:49
Speaker 1: while Epstein was in prison for soliciting prostitution from a minor.
44:54
Speaker 1: Cates wrote, I am and will always be your friend,
44:58
Speaker 1: unconditionally will always be there for you. Yo, can you imagine?
45:03
Speaker 1: Somebody that gets arrested for what Epstein was arrested for?
45:06
Speaker 1: Somebody that's accused of what Epstein's accused of? And that's
45:10
Speaker 1: the message you send them? Epstein's interest in the modeling
45:13
Speaker 1: industry is demonstrated in the discussions between the two. In
45:17
Speaker 1: his diary, shows him scheduled to meet Cates several times
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Speaker 1: at the company's New York office during the 2010s. Cates
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Speaker 1: began connecting Epstein to next models years earlier, according to interviews.
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Speaker 1: By the 90s, the industry had developed a practice of
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Speaker 1: of introducing models to businessmen unconnected to the fashion world. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I wonder why. I'm sure it was for conversation, right?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it had nothing to do with a bunch
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Speaker 1: of disgusting degenerate old men trying to get their grubby
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Speaker 1: paws on young women. I'm sure that had zero to
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Speaker 1: do with it, huh? It was at one such dinner
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Speaker 1: organized by Cates in 92 that Stacey Williams remembered being
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Speaker 1: introduced to Epstein. Williams, then one of Next's top models...
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Speaker 1: said that about three months later, she was taken by
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Speaker 1: case to a party hosted by Donald Trump at the
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Speaker 1: Plaza Hotel, where she met Epstein again. Williams went on
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Speaker 1: to have a relationship with Epstein. She said it was consensual,
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Speaker 1: but that some of the events that took place within
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Speaker 1: the confines of the relationship were not, including when she
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Speaker 1: alleged she was groped by Trump and what she believed
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Speaker 1: was part of a twisted game between the two men.
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Speaker 1: The president has denied the allegations. I mean, at some
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Speaker 1: point we have to say to ourselves, is everybody just lying?
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Speaker 1: Or is it true that Donald Trump is just a degenerate?
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Speaker 1: And considering the body of evidence that we have, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go with Donald Trump's a degenerate. More than
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Speaker 1: a decade later, Cates allegedly arranged for another of her
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Speaker 1: top models, Barbara Stoyanov, to meet Epstein. Stoyanov was already
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Speaker 1: working for Victoria's Secret as a lingerie model. but her
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Speaker 1: dream was to become a Victoria's Secret angel, one of
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Speaker 1: the official faces of the company. Stoyanov told the Guardian
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Speaker 1: that Kate suggested Epstein could help and that she later
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Speaker 1: met him at Next Office in New York. He told
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Speaker 1: me to stand up and hoik my dress up to
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Speaker 1: see my legs. Then he asked me to lift my
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Speaker 1: dress from behind to see how my butt was, she said.
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Speaker 1: It's like buying a horse. I have zero idea why anybody...
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Speaker 1: will let their child get involved in modeling. It is
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Speaker 1: unbelievably disgusting. The whole industry is just gross. At the time,
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Speaker 1: she said she thought nothing of the request. It was
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Speaker 1: normal for a lingerie brand because it was normal for
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Speaker 1: a lingerie brand to want to see a model's body.
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Speaker 1: Years later, when she saw Epstein news coverage, she felt disgusted.
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Speaker 1: A spokesperson for Kate's said the meeting never happened and
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Speaker 1: added her supposed interview with Epstein in the middle of
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Speaker 1: next class enclosed offices, is not credible on its face.
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Speaker 1: She's not credible, but Kate's is? Sorry, I don't believe that. Listen,
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Speaker 1: anybody who was palling around with Epstein for all those years,
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Speaker 1: anybody that was sending emails to Epstein like that, I
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Speaker 1: don't believe them. And I believe that they know a
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Speaker 1: lot more than they're letting on. And they're lucky that
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Speaker 1: I'm not the prosecutor. Because I charge everybody with Rico,
48:23
Speaker 1: and then I'd let the chips fall where they may.
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Speaker 1: You know, like they do to the rest of us.
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Speaker 1: God forbid you get involved in some kind of quote-unquote
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Speaker 1: illegal gambling. Oh, they're gonna come kick in your door.
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Speaker 1: But if you're Faith Cates, setting young girls up with Epstein? Ah,
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Speaker 1: no big deal. Come on, there's no evidence for that.
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Speaker 1: Over the next years that followed, Stoyanov, who was signed
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Speaker 1: to Next for about 15 years, said she saw Epstein
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Speaker 1: with Cates numerous times at their offices. In around May
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Speaker 1: of 2004, Cates allegedly sent former next model Sina Chech,
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Speaker 1: then 20, to Epstein's New York home to ask if
48:59
Speaker 1: he would help her travel to fashion shoots in his
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Speaker 1: private jet. Chech remembers she wrote his address on a
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Speaker 1: yellow post-it note. How could you send people, young girls,
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Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein? It is just unconscionable. After Chech arrived,
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Speaker 1: she said that he asked to look at her hands.
49:19
Speaker 1: She recalled that he then said, Ugh, your nails are
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Speaker 1: so dirty. You're not the kind of girl we take
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Speaker 1: on the jet. She said she left in tears, and
49:27
Speaker 1: it wasn't until years later that she realized the man
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Speaker 1: who insulted her was Epstein. It was like a brick
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Speaker 1: in my stomach, realizing I dodged a bullet, she said.
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Speaker 1: Sarah Ziff, a former Next Model who now runs Model Alliance,
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Speaker 1: which campaigns against systemic sexual abuse in the fashion industry,
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Speaker 1: wasn't sent to Epstein by Cades. However, she said she
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Speaker 1: believed Cades or someone else at the agency gave him
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Speaker 1: her home address in 2000 or 2001 when she was
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Speaker 1: 18 or 19. She had previously been introduced to Epstein
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Speaker 1: by a fellow model and recalled him taking an interest
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Speaker 1: in her schooling. Later, she received a letter from him
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Speaker 1: that said, Sarah, there are great writing courses at the
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Speaker 1: new school, my tree. Ziff said she believed Epstein was
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Speaker 1: offering to pay for her education at this New York school.
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Speaker 1: She didn't take him up on the offer, later earning
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Speaker 1: degrees from Harvard and Columbia. I know that the model
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Speaker 1: who invited me to meet Epstein did not have my address,
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Speaker 1: Ziff told the Guardian. I do know that Next had
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Speaker 1: that address on file. None of the models the Guardian
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Speaker 1: interviewed alleged that they were abused by Epstein. Too high profile.
50:42
Speaker 1: He knew better. What he was looking to do is
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Speaker 1: bring girls into the inner circle. New recruiters, new people
50:49
Speaker 1: to be part of his sexual Ponzi scheme. That's what
50:52
Speaker 1: he was looking for. Because at this point, remember, Epstein
50:56
Speaker 1: was already bringing girls in from Europe. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: vulnerable girls here. Brazil, Europe, etc., so that was his
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Speaker 1: MO at that time. An ex-spokesperson said, at all times
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Speaker 1: conducted its operations with integrity and with the highest regard
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Speaker 1: for the safety of all of our models. Emails in
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Speaker 1: the DOJ files suggest that Cates continued to connect models
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Speaker 1: to Epstein during the 2010s, even after his first prison sentence,
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Speaker 1: and that she would meet women at Epstein's request or
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Speaker 1: connect them to other agents. In 2011, Epstein emailed Cates
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Speaker 1: a numbered list of three women's names, A few hours later,
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Speaker 1: Kate responded, I can get two, that's what you asked
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Speaker 1: me for, standby. I can get two, that's what you
51:43
Speaker 1: asked me for, standby. Two for what, Faith Cates? That
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Speaker 1: same year, Epstein appears to ask his assistant to get
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Speaker 1: names of girls from Cates for a gala event dinner.
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Speaker 1: And he emailed Cates asking if she had any aspiring
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Speaker 1: actresses for dinner with the Hollywood director, Woody Allen. Another
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Speaker 1: fantastic guy, huh? Let me just have relations with my stepdaughter.
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Speaker 1: In 2017, they discussed a former Next model, who is
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Speaker 1: now an established internet personality. Cates described her as stunning,
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Speaker 1: and sent him her bust, height, and weight measurements, along
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Speaker 1: with what appears to be a number of photographs of her,
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Speaker 1: which were redacted in the files. That same year, they
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Speaker 1: discussed another model who did not realize her name was
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Speaker 1: in the files until she was contacted by the Guardian.
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Speaker 1: The model, who is still represented by Next and did
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Speaker 1: not want to be named, said, I felt shocked and
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Speaker 1: grossed out, like, why is the biggest predator of our
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Speaker 1: time typing out my name? What was this for? Imagine
52:50
Speaker 1: being just some random model and somebody hits you up
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Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, your name is in those Epstein files.
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Speaker 1: You know that, right? can imagine the panic. What do
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Speaker 1: you mean my name's in those files? I had nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with Epstein. And then you find out that
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Speaker 1: he was like creeping on you? Talk about gross. Even
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Speaker 1: as women started to go public with disturbing allegations against Epstein,
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Speaker 1: Cates continued to offer her support. She appeared to tell
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Speaker 1: him that women coming forward with allegations about him were
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Speaker 1: doing so only to sell their stories to the press.
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Speaker 1: Money motivates people, she wrote. Later, in response to another
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Speaker 1: abuse allegation against Epstein, she told him, She should be
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Speaker 1: so lucky. People are nuts. She should be so lucky.
53:34
Speaker 1: So lucky to be abused. So lucky to have Epstein
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Speaker 1: molest them when they're children or young adults. Boy, some
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Speaker 1: people have all the luck, huh? Faith Cates. After extensive
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Speaker 1: coverage of Virginia Roberts' allegations in 2011, she advised him
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Speaker 1: to lay very low and donate to projects that would
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Speaker 1: do good for others. This will make people talk about
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Speaker 1: you in a positive way, she wrote. See what I
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Speaker 1: mean about the armor? Oh, let's just go and donate
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Speaker 1: some money, and that makes everything better. That same year,
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Speaker 1: Epstein appears to have donated $ 50, 000 to the Ovarian Cancer
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Speaker 1: Research Fund, of which Cates was president. and gave Cates
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Speaker 1: a Prada handbag for her birthday. She emailed him thanking
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Speaker 1: him for the bag and for being my friend. Signed
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Speaker 1: with her signature line of kisses, the following year he
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Speaker 1: gave her a $ 12, 000 stove for Christmas. So does anyone
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Speaker 1: really think that Faith Cates cared about these women over
54:37
Speaker 1: her buddy Jeffrey Epstein? Because I'm not seeing that. It
54:43
Speaker 1: was around the same time that Epstein's offer of significant
54:46
Speaker 1: investments appeared to have begun. In July of 2010, he
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Speaker 1: emailed her about buying a $ 5 million property together for
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Speaker 1: her and her family. Kate's spokesperson insisted that no investments
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Speaker 1: from Epstein ever materialized, and The Guardian has seen no
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Speaker 1: evidence to suggest she received any loans. In emails from
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Speaker 1: September 2010 and across the following months, Kate seemed desperate
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Speaker 1: for the purchase to go ahead. Are you avoiding me?
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Speaker 1: This is what I didn't want to happen. I need
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Speaker 1: to talk to you today, as I don't want to
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Speaker 1: lose this apartment. It's perfect for me and my family,
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Speaker 1: and my kids are excited. Epstein replied, In Paris, do
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Speaker 1: not tell the broker how high you're willing to go.
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Speaker 1: It will cost an extra half million if we are
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Speaker 1: not careful. Kate wrote, I can't lose this, not for
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Speaker 1: me and my kids. Three months later, she wrote, Jeffrey,
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Speaker 1: Please be upfront with me. I understand that if you
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Speaker 1: can't do this financially at this moment, but please just
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Speaker 1: return my calls. I won't ever let something like this
55:49
Speaker 1: come between 30 years of friendship. So it looks like
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Speaker 1: Epstein was dicking her around, right? Yeah, sure. I got you.
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Speaker 1: I'll buy this apartment for you. Then he goes, sir.
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Speaker 1: Beginning in 2015, Kate's appears to have accepted guidance from
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Speaker 1: Epstein about the modeling agency. And over the next three years,
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Speaker 1: He and sometimes his accountant, Richard Kahn, seem to have
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Speaker 1: acted as advisors. Email suggests that Epstein directed Cates on
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Speaker 1: how to buy out, next then co-owners, the private equity
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Speaker 1: firm Golden Gate Capital. He offered her a $ 6 million
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Speaker 1: loan to do so, which he told her must be
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Speaker 1: kept secret. Epstein wrote, I will lend you only the
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Speaker 1: $ 6 million. Offer to buy Golden Gate out for five
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Speaker 1: to start. My name cannot be involved, of course. Two
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Speaker 1: years later, Epstein continued to act as an advisor to
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Speaker 1: Cates behind the scenes on how to make the deal happen.
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Speaker 1: He appeared to send her a script of what to
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Speaker 1: say to Neil Attenborough, the managing director of Golden Gate.
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Speaker 1: In another email, Epstein says, let's get rid of Neil.
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Speaker 1: A spokesperson for Golden Gate said Jeffrey Epstein's identity and
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Speaker 1: advisory role were proactively concealed from the Golden Gate capital
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Speaker 1: team throughout the sale process. Well, that all tracks. That
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Speaker 1: was Epstein's M.O., come in as a shadow donor, not
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Speaker 1: let anybody know that he was involved, and keep him moving.
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Speaker 1: A spokesperson for Cates said none of the loans suggested
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Speaker 1: by Epstein materialized, and Epstein never had a financial interest
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Speaker 1: in Next. In the months after Epstein killed himself in prison, allegedly,
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Speaker 1: and in jail, in August of 2019, Next bought out
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Speaker 1: Golden Gate as planned. A spokesperson for Next said, said
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Speaker 1: the final deal happened without Khan's involvement. Ms. Kate's longstanding
57:40
Speaker 1: and highly personal relationship with Epstein were unknown to Next
57:43
Speaker 1: Management until recent disclosures of the Epstein documents, the spokesperson said.
57:49
Speaker 1: Her actions were neither authorized by nor known to Next
57:53
Speaker 1: and were at all times her own. The spokesperson added,
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Speaker 1: to the extent Ms. Kate's independent actions impacted or involved
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Speaker 1: Next clients and employees, We are deeply sorry. Well, that
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Speaker 1: fixes everything. They're sorry, folks. I guess all these girls
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Speaker 1: can just, you know, pick up the pieces and move
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Speaker 1: on and be fortified by the fact that these people
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Speaker 1: are sorry. Meanwhile, back here in reality, nobody cares about
58:18
Speaker 1: your apologies and nobody cares about your revisionist history. You
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Speaker 1: all knew what the deal was. You know what Epstein
58:24
Speaker 1: was doing and you knew the scope of it. So look,
58:27
Speaker 1: all these modeling agencies that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein,
58:30
Speaker 1: all these modeling agencies in general, in my opinion, they
58:33
Speaker 1: should all be looked at. Because the sad truth is,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein wasn't the first diddler, and he won't be
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Speaker 1: the last. All the information that goes with this episode
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