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This Is the Zodiac Speaking · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: All right, everybody buckle up, because we are diving headfirst
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  into one of the most infamous cases in true crime history,
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  The Zodiac Killer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this one's a doozy.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. Late nineteen sixties northern California. The Zodiac
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  terrorizes the Bay Area, leaving a trail of cryptic clues
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  and ciphers in his wake. And you know what, even
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  after all these years, the case still has us hooked.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's that blend of arrogance and mystery. You know,
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  the Zodiac wasn't content with just committing these horrific cries.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to be known for it.
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  Speaker 3: He craved that notoriety, that fear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he definitely played the media like a fiddle,
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  sending those taunting letters to the newspapers, calling into TV stations,
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  really amping up the terror. But here's the thing. There's
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  a new Netflix Docku cries out, this is the Zodiac
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  speaking and they claim to have fresh evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Really, well, that's got my attention.
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  Speaker 1: This Docku series. It takes us back to the prime suspect,
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  the one police really zeroed in on, Arthur Lee Allen.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Arthur Lee Allen, a convicted sex offender, but never actually
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  charged with any of the Zodiac crimes. Always felt like
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  a giant question mark hanging over this whole.
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  Speaker 1: Case, right, And the docuseries they really dig into that
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  was Alan really the Zodiac? Did the police fixate on
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  him too early miss something crucial along the way?
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  Speaker 3: And what about this new evidence they're talking about. Does
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  it finally link Alan to the murders? Does it provide
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  that missing piece of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: That's the million dollar question, isn't it. And honestly, just
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  when you think this case couldn't get any wilder, it
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  takes this insane turn. The docuseries they introduce us to
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  this family, the Seawaters, who claim to have known Arthur
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  Lee Allen when they were all kids.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm intrigued.
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  Speaker 1: What they have to say is, well, let's just say
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  it's creepy as hell. They claim that Alan used to
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  take them to places as kids, places that later became
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  Zodiac murder sites.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: Totally serious? It's like something out a horror movie. Right,
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  These seemingly innocent childhood outings suddenly take on this whole other,
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  sinister meeting. Imagine just for a second that a place
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  you played in as a kid. Years later, it becomes
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  the scene of a brutal crime.
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  Speaker 3: It gives me chills just thinking about it. It really
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  makes you wonder what was going on in Allan's mind
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  back then. Was he already planning these horrific acts?
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  Speaker 1: That's the question, isn't it? And it gets even more
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  unsettling when you consider the documentary doesn't just stop there.
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  They went and got interviews with some pretty significant people
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  directly connected to the original Zodiac case.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, like who?
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  Speaker 1: Like Rita Williams, a former KTVU reporter. She actually interviewed
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  Arthur Lee Allen on camera. No way, you're kidding, Nope,
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  before he died. She sat down with him, got his
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  take on the whole thing. Just imagine being a fly
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  on the wall during that conversation, knowing what we know now.
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  Speaker 3: That's incredible to hear Alan's words, his tone, his demeanor.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's like a time capsule, a glimpse into the
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  mind of a potential monster. And as if that wasn't enough,
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  the documentary makers also got Robert Graysmith on camera.
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  Speaker 3: Graysmith, as in the author of Zodiac, the guy who's
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  practically dedicated his life to cracking this case.
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  Speaker 1: The one and only his books like the Bible for
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  Zodiac enthusiasts, So to have him weighing in on this
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  new evidence, it's kind of a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: I can only imagine his insights must be pure gold
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  for anyone trying to unravel this mystery.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know what, it's not just Gray Smith,
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  the whole docuseries. It really makes you question everything you
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  thought you knew about the Zodiac case. I mean, what
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  if the answers have been hiding in plain sight all along.
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  Speaker 3: It's enough to make your head spin. It's wild to
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  think that a case from the late sixties could still
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  hold so much power. You know, like we're still talking
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  about it's still trying to crack the code after all
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  these years.
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  Speaker 1: It really is mind boggling, isn't it. Why do you
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  think that is? Is it the ciphers, the unanswered questions,
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  this whole idea that he just vanished into thin air.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's all of that and more. Yeah, you know,
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  the Zodiac case. It's like this giant mirror reflecting back
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  our own deepest fears and fascinations. This need we have
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  to believe it, even in the face of pure chaos.
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  There's got to be some kind of order, some way
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  to make sense of it, all right.
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  Speaker 1: We want to believe that every puzzle has a solution,
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  no matter how twisted or complex.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, and the Zodiac case, with its mix of horror
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  and mystery, it really pushes those buttons, doesn't it. We
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  crave that resolution, that sense of closure, and it just
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  it just never came.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost as if the case itself became this dark obsession,
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  both for the investigators and for all of us who
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  are still captivated by it all these years later. It's
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  like we're compelled to stare into the abyss, trying to
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  understand the mind of someone who could commit such horrific acts.
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  Speaker 3: And speaking of its impact, we can forget how deeply
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  the Zodiac case has seeped into our culture. Countless books, movies,
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  even a real life serial killer in New York took
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  inspiration from him.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about herobrid of Sta, the guy who called
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  himself the Zodiac.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Saya's case.
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  Speaker 3: It really highlights how profoundly the Zodiac's image, his m o,
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  his whole terrifying persona, it resonated in our collective content siousness.
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  He became this blueprint, this terrifying archetype for a certain
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  kind of criminal mastermind.
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  Speaker 1: It's chilling.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's the movies, right, Dirty Harry. Even though
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  it wasn't directly based on the Zodiac Case, you can
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  definitely see the influence there, that whole cat and mouse
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  game between the detective and this elusive, taunting killer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And who could forget David Fincher's Zodiac. That
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  film it really captured the obsessive nature of this case,
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  how it could consume you, pull you into its orbit.
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  Speaker 3: Fincher's a master at that at creating this atmosphere of
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  dread and uncertainty. And I think that's why the Zodiac
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  Case continues to fascinate filmmakers and audiences alike. It's got
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  that perfect blend of historical fact, compelling characters, and of
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  course that central unsolved mystery that just keeps us guessing.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird. Though. You'd think with all the advancements in
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  forensic science, DNA technology, all that stuff, we'd have this
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  case from the sixties salved by now, right, But the
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  Zodiac he's like a ghost, always just out of reach,
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  I know.
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  Speaker 3: Right, It's the paradox of cold cases. Time it can
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  be your ally or your enemy. On one hand, you've
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  got all these incredible new tools, new techniques that could
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  crack a case wide open. But on the other, witnesses disappear,
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  memories fade, and the truth just gets harder and harder
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  to pin down.
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  Speaker 1: It's like trying to piece together a puzzle where half
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  the pieces are missing and the ones you do have
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  are all faded and worn with time.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 3: And in the Zodiac case, with all the misinformation, the
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  dead ends, the sheer volume of speculation that's been swirling
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  around for decades, it's almost impossible to tell what's real
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  and what's not. That's why this new docuseries, with its
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  claims of fresh evidence, it's so intriguing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, is this finally it? Are we going to
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  get some real answers this time? Or are we just
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  setting ourselves up for another letdown?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Because we've been down this road before, haven't we. The
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  Zodiac case, it's littered with false leads, promising theories that
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  ultimately lead nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: So the question is, will this docuseries finally unmask the
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  Zodiac or will it just add another layer of complexity
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  to this already baffling enigma.
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  Speaker 2: Only one way to find out, We got to keep digging.
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  Speaker 1: You know, It's funny, with all this talk about new
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  evidence and potential suspects, we haven't even touched on one
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  of the most iconic elements of the zodiac case the
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  damn ciphers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh the ciphers. How could we forget?
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  Speaker 3: It's like they're synonymous with the Zodiac himself.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, those coded messages often scrawled right there in his
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  letters to the press. It's like he wanted to taunt
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  us from beyond the grave, make us feel his intelligence
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  even as we chase shadows.
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  Speaker 3: And don't forget, some of them were actually solved, right right.
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  Speaker 1: A couple were cracked pretty early on and gave us
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  some chilling glimpses into his mindset. But then there are
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  the others, the ones that remain unsolved.
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  Speaker 3: And those feel like the real keys to the kingdom,
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  don't they Totally.
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  Speaker 1: It's like if we could just break those codes, the
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  Zodiac's true identity, his motives, everything, it would all just
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  click into place.
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  Speaker 3: It's candilizing, isn't it. That feeling that the answers are
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  right there, locked away behind those cryptic symbols.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's like the ultimate code breaking challenge, and
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  people have been at it for decades, mathematicians, computer scientists,
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  even armchair detectives, with nothing but time and a whole
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  lot of determination.
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  Speaker 3: It really speaks to the power of this case, doesn't
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  it that even after all these years, people are still
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  pouring over those ciphers, convinced that they hold the key
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  to unraveling the whole mystery.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they actually do? I mean, is it
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  possible those unsolved ciphers contain the information we need to
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  finally unmask the Zodiac? Or are they just red herrings?
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  Speaker 3: That's the million dollar question, isn't it. Yeah, some experts
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  think they're just gibberish, the ramblings of a mad man
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  meant to mislead us. But others they're convinced there's real
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  meaning there, vital clues hidden within those seemingly random characters.
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  Speaker 1: It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack
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  after someone set the haystack on.
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  Speaker 2: Fire, pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the Zodiac case in a nutshell, right, Layers
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  upon layers of intrigue, misinformation, and speculation, separating fact from
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  fiction in this case is practically a forensic science in itself.
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  Speaker 1: It's overwhelming, to be honest, but I guess that's also
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  what keeps us coming back for more, right, this insatiable
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  need to make sense of the senseless, to find order
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  within the chaos.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's why this new Docuseriies, with its focus
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  on Arthur Lee Allen and those chilling accounts from the
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  Seawater family, it's reignited that spark. It's made us look
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  at this case with fresh eyes, question everything we thought
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  they knew.
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  Speaker 1: So where does that leave us? Still searching for answers,
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  still captivated by this decade's old mystery.
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  Speaker 2: Always searching. But maybe that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the Zodiac case isn't meant to be solved. Maybe
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  it's about the journey, about confronting the darkness and accepting
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  that some questions simply don't have answers.
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  Speaker 1: That's a thought provoking way to look at it. But
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  who knows. Maybe someone listening right now, maybe they'll be
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  the one to finally crack the code, to connect the
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  dots and bring the Zodiac killer to justice.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be something?
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  Speaker 1: It would be incredible? But until then, the mystery indoors.
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  To all our listeners out there, thank you for joining
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  us on this deep dive into the twisted world of
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  the Zodiac killer. If this case has piqued your interest,
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  we encourage you to check out the docusaries, do your
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  own research and see what conclusions you draw.
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  Speaker 3: And remember, sometimes the most compelling mysteries are the ones
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  we never fully solve.
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  Speaker 1: True that until next time, stay curious, stay safe, and
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  keep those thinking caps on. This is the Deep Dive
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  Signing off