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Sharri | 19 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the program. Will tonight Albanezi's support
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Speaker 2: is evaporating as Peter Ditton escalates his Palestinian visa attack.
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Speaker 2: Upholster will be on the show to tell us how
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Speaker 2: badly this security issue is costing the government. Plus Kevin
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Speaker 2: Right accused of treating the Australian Embassy like a party house.
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Speaker 2: You won't believe how much he's spent on a barbecue.
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Speaker 2: And also on the show, the ABC has been awarded
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Speaker 2: for its anti Israel coverage. Plus As Andrews said, Bombshell
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Speaker 2: News that Brittany Higgins will not give evidence in the
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds defamation trial. I'll explain why a little later,
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Speaker 2: but first tonight. Anthony Albanese's political fortunes are crashing, with
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Speaker 2: the guars of visa debate turning voters away from Labor.
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Speaker 2: New polling today shows that Labour's primary vote has fallen
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Speaker 2: to thirty two percent, while the Coalitions is at forty two.
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Speaker 2: The Australians Denis Shanahan writes that Albanesi's tone deaf Gaza
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Speaker 2: response risks a repeat of the voice, and Shanahan says
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Speaker 2: this significantly. The latest Freshwater Strategy poll shows that since
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Speaker 2: the guars of visa debate began, not only has done
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Speaker 2: and closed on Albanezi as leader, but Labour support on
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Speaker 2: the issues of national security and immigration and asylum have
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Speaker 2: fallen markedly and Freshwater Strategies Leoh Shanahan will be on
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Speaker 2: the show tonight to explain this. Then there's the Herald's
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Speaker 2: Resolve monitor which has shown that only ten percent of
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Speaker 2: voters support Australia taking Palestinian refugees. This is an indication
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Speaker 2: of where public sentiment is on this issue. Most Australians
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Speaker 2: would want to be assured that a rigorous security of
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Speaker 2: process is being followed, not security checks done in as
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Speaker 2: little as one hour. Yet still Albanezi dug his heels
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Speaker 2: in today, refusing to back down on security concerns around
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Speaker 2: issuing visas to those in Hamask controlled gaza, and Dutton
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Speaker 2: escalating his political attack on the Prime Minister over the issue.
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Speaker 2: He tried to move a motion to force the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister to explain the security process.
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Speaker 3: Can the Prime Minister confirm that no other government in
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Speaker 3: Australian history has brought people from a war zone controlled
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Speaker 3: by a listed terrorist organization on tourism visa on a
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Speaker 3: tourist visa without the requisite checks and balances that would
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Speaker 3: normally be conducted on a refugee and humanitarian visa.
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Speaker 4: During their time in office, they issued more than one
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Speaker 4: thousand visitor visas the two Palestinians from the occupied Palestinian
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Speaker 4: territory during that entire time, Hamas control old the Gaza Strip.
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Speaker 4: Their hypocrisy is just extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: And Dutton also attacked alban Easy for misquoting the asiobos
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess. Here's how the Prime Minister took Burgess out
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Speaker 2: of context. This is what he said in Parliament on Thursday.
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Speaker 4: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
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Speaker 4: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
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Speaker 4: they're referred to my organization and ASIA does it sing.
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Speaker 2: And and this is what Mike Burgess really said.
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Speaker 5: They've been issued at visa, they've gone through the process.
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Speaker 6: Part of that visa process is with criteria hit they're
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Speaker 6: referred to my organization and ASIO does its thing.
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Speaker 2: There were other remarks as well where the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: took Mike Burgess out of context, and we played those
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Speaker 2: on the program on Thursday night, what with Parliament resuming today,
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton accused Albany being duplicitous.
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Speaker 3: You might leave out a sentence for the purposes of
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Speaker 3: brevity or to make a point, but you can't leave
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Speaker 3: out the middle of one sentence that you're quoting and
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Speaker 3: pretend that that is an accurate reflection of what has
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Speaker 3: been said by the person you are quoting. It's duplicitus.
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Speaker 2: Look, public sentiment may very well be with Dutton, but
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Speaker 2: many in the media are happy to accuse him of
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Speaker 2: being heartless over the issue, showing once again how out
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Speaker 2: of touch they are with public sentiment.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I have mostly tried to ignore the offensive bias of
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Speaker 2: other media outlets and journalists on this program, and the ABC,
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Speaker 2: as you know, is the worst offender when it comes
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Speaker 2: to anti Israel bias. But on Friday Night, a journalist
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Speaker 2: with a history of criticizing Israel, a journalist who even
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Speaker 2: supported Antoinette Latouf, was awarded the top journalism for moral
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Speaker 2: clarity on the Israel Hermas war. You recall when Israel
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Speaker 2: was wrongly blamed from misfired rocket in Gaza. Not long
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Speaker 2: after that attack, Hermas had claimed that Israel was responsible
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Speaker 2: and had killed five hundred people. The lies spread around
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Speaker 2: the world, but in the days that followed, major media
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Speaker 2: outlets quickly corrected the record to say that actually it
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Speaker 2: was a Palestinian Islamic jihad rocket that misfired and had
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Speaker 2: hit the car park of the Al Ali Hospital. About
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Speaker 2: fifty were estimated but not confirmed, to have been killed,
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Speaker 2: not the five hundred claimed. Within minutes well, the ABC's
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Speaker 2: John Lyons did not admit unequivocally that the earlier reports
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Speaker 2: blaming Israel were wrong. Instead, he said it was in
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Speaker 2: dispute this week.
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Speaker 7: The blast at the Alali Hospital could prove to be
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Speaker 7: a pivotal moment in the early stages of this war.
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Speaker 7: Israel was blamed initially, but it has presented evidence suggesting
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Speaker 7: it was in fact a misfired rocket shot by Palestinian militants,
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Speaker 7: and the US has backed that version, as have a
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Speaker 7: number of independent experts. But what do you make of
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Speaker 7: this tragedy this week and the impact it's having on
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Speaker 7: the broader conflict.
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Speaker 8: I think there is serious doubt I'm in both sides
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Speaker 8: are claiming the others did it. The Israelis have presented
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Speaker 8: what looks on the face of it compelling evidence that
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Speaker 8: it wasn't one of its rockets. I think in a way,
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Speaker 8: until this an examination, we'll never know.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: In response to questions today, John Lyons claims he never
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Speaker 2: reported or suggested that Israel had bonded to the hospital,
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Speaker 2: and as for wanting an examination, as you heard there,
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Speaker 2: he says he's covered fall Gaza was and has learned
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Speaker 2: that often one only learns the definitive truth later when
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Speaker 2: there's time for an investigation. Let's have a look at
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Speaker 2: another incident. You recall that last month twelve Israeli Drew's
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Speaker 2: children were tragically killed on a soccer field.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: It was widely reported that this was most likely a
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Speaker 2: Hesbella rocket, but John Lyons was skeptical and said it
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Speaker 2: might have even been Israel. He said he'd like to
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Speaker 2: actually see the rocket that was fired and see the evidence,
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Speaker 2: even though Israel had released that evidence. Have a look.
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Speaker 5: Hezbela is denying it's them. Usually they claim rocket attacks
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Speaker 5: into Israel or into this occupied part of the Golan Heights.
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Speaker 5: They're insisting it's not them. It may be them, but
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Speaker 5: it's still not confirmed. Some people on the ground are
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Speaker 5: suggesting that it could have been an interceptor, an Israeli
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Speaker 5: interceptor rocket that was trying to hit an incoming Hesbel rocket.
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Speaker 5: On that particular day, Hesbela did claim responsibility for aut
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Speaker 5: twelve strikes into Israel. It's very unusual, though, for Hezbollah
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Speaker 5: to target this area, which is in the gol An Heights.
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Speaker 5: It's mainly members of the Druze population, Arabic speakers, and
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Speaker 5: it has not been a heavy target for Hezbola. But
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Speaker 5: Israel is assuming it is. The United States and Israel
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Speaker 5: are insisting it is, but there is some element of
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Speaker 5: doubt over that at the moment. I'd like to actually
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Speaker 5: see the rocket that was fired. The Israelis are saying
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Speaker 5: it's an Iranian made Fullack number one rocket. I'd like
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Speaker 5: to actually see the evidence.
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Speaker 2: So John Lyons would like to see the evidence. He'd
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Speaker 2: like to see the rocket well. In his defense today,
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Speaker 2: Lyon said that many of the locals in the area
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Speaker 2: claim that they thought it was possibly in Israeli anti
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Speaker 2: missile gone wrong. And also in another instance, according to
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Speaker 2: a report in the City Morning Herald, John Lyons has
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Speaker 2: also sided with anti Israel activist Antoinette. Lyons reportedly spoke
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Speaker 2: at a meeting of ABC journalists who were angry at
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Speaker 2: how ABC management had treated the Tooth and Lions blamed
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Speaker 2: Jewish lawyers for complaining about her. The Herald reports and
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Speaker 2: I quote, when I read those WhatsApp messages for the
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Speaker 2: first time ever and hopefully the last time ever, I
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Speaker 2: felt embarrassed to work for the ABC. I was embarrassed
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Speaker 2: that a group of one hundred and fifty six lawyers
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Speaker 2: could laugh at how easy it was to manipulate the ABC.
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Speaker 2: Lyons has even attracted criticism from other figures on the left,
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Speaker 2: like The AG's former editor Michael Gwenda and Michael wrote
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Speaker 2: an article about Lyons's criticism of what he calls the lobby,
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Speaker 2: the so called Jewish lobby in twenty twenty one. And
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Speaker 2: there's a history of hostility between Lions and Israel and
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Speaker 2: Jewish groups here in Australia. But on Friday night, Lyons
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Speaker 2: was awarded major journalism prizes, including the main one for
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Speaker 2: Journalists of the Year, the Kennedy Awards. Judges claimed that
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Speaker 2: his reporting showed moral clarity. They said, with both accuracy
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Speaker 2: and moral clarity, the vastly experienced Middle East hand has
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Speaker 2: framed this conflict in ways that will stand the test
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Speaker 2: of time. It is journalism of the highest standard, moral clarity,
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Speaker 2: journalism of the highest standard, or many of us would
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Speaker 2: see his commentary as laden with anti Israel bias, far
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Speaker 2: from the gold standard of journalism. The Kennedys are refusing
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Speaker 2: to release the names of the judges. The Kennedy's general manager,
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Speaker 2: Anna Magnus said, the Kennedy Foundation never reveal what judges
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Speaker 2: judge what categories. We stand by the independence of our
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Speaker 2: judging process. But in fact, in previous years the Kennedys
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Speaker 2: have under different management, proudly published the names of their judges,
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Speaker 2: like the Walkleys do. In response to my questions about
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Speaker 2: his reporting, John Lyons told me today, I have many
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Speaker 2: times attacked Hamas and others for their behavior. I have
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Speaker 2: frequently said that what Hermas did on October seven was
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Speaker 2: a war crime. I have frequently said that Harmas's firing
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Speaker 2: of rockets from Gaza into civilian neighborhoods in Israel is
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Speaker 2: a war crime. I have also noted that President Biden
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Speaker 2: has said Israel's bombing of Gaza has been indiscriminate. You'd
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Speaker 2: be aware that bombing civilians indiscriminately is a war crime.
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Speaker 2: Now this all matters because if the media industry elite
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Speaker 2: think that anti Israel reporting shows moral clarity, then this
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Speaker 2: explains why so much of our media a hostile towards
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Speaker 2: Jews and Israel. It explains why the ABC has comprehensively
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Speaker 2: failed to cover the anti Semitism crisis gripping our country
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Speaker 2: in any meaning way. It explains why the coverage in
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Speaker 2: the media broadly speaking, regularly accuses Israel of wrongdoing, which
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Speaker 2: in turn inflames tensions in our community. We do need
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Speaker 2: more moral clarity in the media. Moral clarity is the
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Speaker 2: ability to see that Israel was brutally attacked on October
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Speaker 2: seven and has been trying to bring home its hostages
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Speaker 2: ever since while destroying barbaric terrorists. Moral clarity is knowing
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Speaker 2: that the world would end immediately if Hamas released the
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Speaker 2: hostages and surrendered. And this weekend, once again the unfortunate
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Speaker 2: news that Hamas, not Israel, has again rejected the latest
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Speaker 2: ceasefire proposal. They hadn't even bothered to send a representative
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Speaker 2: to discussions and Qatar over the weekend. We desperately need
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Speaker 2: moral clarity when it comes to Israel's existential fight for survival.
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Speaker 2: The Jewish home Land, but we're not going to get
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Speaker 2: that from most media outlets, especially the ABC. And I'm
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Speaker 2: going to come back to that topic a bit later
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Speaker 2: in the show with Colin Rubinstein, but right now let's
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Speaker 2: bring in tonight's panel. Joining me Sky News contributed Joe
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Speaker 2: Hildebrand and Sky News host Steve Price. Welcome to you, boy,
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Speaker 2: it's great to see you well. Once again, this issue
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Speaker 2: of Palestinian visa's dominated question time today. This is becoming
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Speaker 2: a recurring theme now and you can't help but think, Joe,
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Speaker 2: that this is having some impact in the community. That's
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Speaker 2: why Peter Dutton keeps bringing it up, keeps hounding the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government over this issue.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I've always been very, very skeptical about Labour's strategy
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Speaker 10: of just pile a whole bunch of crap on Dutton.
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Speaker 10: Everyone hates him, he's you know, he's able to say
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Speaker 10: his deviceive says, you know, he's angry and racist or
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Speaker 10: whatever it may be. Not the alpctually calling racist, that's
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Speaker 10: the teals. But this idea of sort of make it
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Speaker 10: everything an anti Dutton sentiment instead of a pro Labor sentiment,
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Speaker 10: I don't think works. I think just because all your
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Speaker 10: friends don't like Peter Dutton doesn't mean that the average
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Speaker 10: Australian doesn't like Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: I like Peter Dutton, is a lovely man.
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Speaker 2: You like everyone.
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Speaker 1: I like everybody. But so it doesn't work.
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Speaker 10: And again calling people, I mean, if we haven't learned
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Speaker 10: from the Voice campaign that calling people who disagree with
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Speaker 10: you racist just doesn't work. Apart from being probably wrong,
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Speaker 10: in fact, it's incredibly stupid in terms of a political strategy.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I just don't know. You just tear your
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Speaker 10: hair out, And the thing is that when you do that,
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Speaker 10: not only does it probably fail to stick on Peter
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Speaker 10: Dutton in the eyes of the electric, but all those
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Speaker 10: people who quietly agree with him and do have concerns.
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Speaker 10: I'm not one of them. I think we should still
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Speaker 10: take refugees. But all those people who understandably do say, well,
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Speaker 10: these people could be a security, which maybe we should
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Speaker 10: have a freeze. Suddenly the left zales, steggle, the teals,
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Speaker 10: whoever it may be, calling all those people racist too.
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Speaker 10: Those people say, well Peter Dunn's racis then I must
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Speaker 10: be racist. And whoever calls me a racist doesn't know Jack,
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Speaker 10: because I know I'm not a racist and that means
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Speaker 10: that you must be wrong. Backfight on the Voice and
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Speaker 10: will backfire on this. These people are fools if they
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Speaker 10: do it again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, I think you know that analogy with the
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Speaker 2: Voice debate is quite fitting here.
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Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, I just should point out
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Speaker 6: to Joe that I don't like everybody, just so I
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Speaker 6: know that will come as a great surprise to everybody. Look,
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Speaker 6: I found it today quite ridiculous when Tony Burke stood
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Speaker 6: up in Parliament and called Peter Dutton a sook. Now
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Speaker 6: you can call Peter Dutton a lot of things. I
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Speaker 6: don't know that the word sook would apply to Peter
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Speaker 6: Dutton ever. I mean, he doesn't strike me as being
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Speaker 6: a suck. In fact, he strikes me as being the
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Speaker 6: sort of strong leader that the Liberal Party and the
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Speaker 6: Coalition have been looking for for a very long time.
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Speaker 6: And I think Shari and Joe probably you both agree
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Speaker 6: that the public.
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Speaker 1: If you polled the public today on a.
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Speaker 6: Direct question of whether we should pause immigration from a
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Speaker 6: war zone in Gaza, I'm not sure any of us
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Speaker 6: would be surprised if there was a vast majority of
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Speaker 6: people said yes. I mean, for a start, no, one's
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Speaker 6: getting out of there.
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Speaker 1: The place is locked up. You can't get out of
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Speaker 1: the borders.
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Speaker 6: But I think the thing that really resonated in the
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Speaker 6: Coalition attack last week and again at the start of
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Speaker 6: this week is that there are people being given in
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Speaker 6: that part of Gaza tourist visas. I mean, what the
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Speaker 6: hell do we think we're doing. They're not tourists. They're
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Speaker 6: either refugees or victims of an ugly war. They're not tourists.
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Speaker 6: And are they giving them tourist visas so that when
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Speaker 6: they come here we can send them back again? And
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Speaker 6: if that's the case, Labor should be ashamed of themselves.
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Speaker 6: What are they said in the back?
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Speaker 2: The issue is the Prime Minister hasn't been upfront about
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Speaker 2: all of this. He said initially this was only temporary,
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Speaker 2: and then that was never the case because Tony Burt
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Speaker 2: came out and said, no government in its right mind
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Speaker 2: would send people back to a war zone. And there
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Speaker 2: have been serious security flaws that we've exposed on this
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Speaker 2: program for more than six months now about the screening
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Speaker 2: process that it is taking place in as little as
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Speaker 2: one hour, that Hermas sympathizers have been let into the
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Speaker 2: country on Australian visas at a time when we have
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Speaker 2: an anti Semitism crisis in the country and we do
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Speaker 2: not need more erosion of social cohesion, violence or lawlessness
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Speaker 2: on our streets. Let's move on to Kevin Rudd, now,
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Speaker 2: Australia's ambassador to the United States, has been accused of
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Speaker 2: turning the Australian Embassy in Washington into a party house.
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Speaker 2: This front page exclusive by Linda Somalis in The Sunday Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: in voices released by DEFAT show that fifteen thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: was spent on a new barbecue. Joe, I mean, I'm
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Speaker 2: sure you'd love to go to a party at Rud's place,
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Speaker 2: but is and you probably have been before the message, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: exactly the lodge. Is this the best use though, of
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funds?
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Speaker 10: Firstly, it was Kiabilly house. I don't go to Canberra
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Speaker 10: for anybody, even the PM. Now, look, I think the
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Speaker 10: fact of the matter is that ambassadors entertain people. They
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Speaker 10: are there to schmooze, they are there to network, they
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Speaker 10: are there to build relationships. It's a cracker of a yarn,
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Speaker 10: like it's a great yarn, and you know you'd put
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Speaker 10: it all over the front page. You'd buy two front
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Speaker 10: pages so you could put it on both of them.
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Speaker 10: But you know they do have this thing. I think
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Speaker 10: the barbecue from what I gather, and correct me if
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Speaker 10: I'm wrong, but I think the barbecue is actually ordered
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Speaker 10: by the previous ambassador, Arthur Synodenas, and maybe rog just
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Speaker 10: took possession of it. The what I found most how amazing,
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Speaker 10: was what I found most amazing was that my former
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Speaker 10: colleague Norelda Jacobs was apparently paid twenty six thousand dollars
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Speaker 10: to host a function at the ambassador's residence. And can
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Speaker 10: I just say I'm free, I'm available if you want to.
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Speaker 10: You know, I'll do it for half that I can MC,
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Speaker 10: I can sing.
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Speaker 2: Steve, Steve seriously, though you know that there have been
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Speaker 2: this isn't the first story about the use of funds
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Speaker 2: at functions and parties in Washington. What do you think
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Speaker 2: about this?
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Speaker 6: Well, there was a Pride event as well with some
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Speaker 6: transvestites along.
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Speaker 1: That Kevin set up as well.
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Speaker 6: Clearly they don't have Bunnings in Washington, otherwise you wouldn't
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Speaker 6: be paying fifteen thousand dollars for a barbecue. But unlike Joe,
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Speaker 6: I've got a bit of history with Ambassador Rudd. Now
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Speaker 6: I carry around with me in my little diary a
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Speaker 6: letter to the editor that one k Rudd sent eighteen
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Speaker 6: months ago after I wrote a column about him. I'll
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Speaker 6: only read one line of it for you, and he says,
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Speaker 6: this is Kevin Rudd. It's always a matter of personal
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Speaker 6: and professional pride to be attacked by the greatest non
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Speaker 6: entity in the history of Australian journalism, Steve Price. And
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Speaker 6: that's the nice part of from Kevin.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. I think there's it wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: too many journalists, especially at our company, that Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 2: hasn't complained about. While we're in the ABC, babyc is
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Speaker 2: under fire for sending the Adelaide breakfast radio hosts to
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Speaker 2: the Olympics. It's the sum is around or it's estimated
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Speaker 2: that it'll come in at one hundred and thirty five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Joe. They didn't call any live sports, So
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Speaker 2: there's criticism over, you know, the sight seeing that happened
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Speaker 2: in Paris.
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Speaker 10: Just I just do not understand any Can you imagine
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Speaker 10: anyone like imagine our imagine you imagine if you said, hey, boss,
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Speaker 10: could you send me over to Paris for the Olympics.
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to call any sport, but I'd like
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Speaker 10: to do a bit of sight.
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Speaker 1: Say I've never seen the Eiffel Tower.
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Speaker 10: It'll just cost one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars,
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Speaker 10: let's call it, you know, one hundred and fifty with change.
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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
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Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 1: You would? You wouldn't?
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Speaker 10: You would be I believe the word is defenestrated. You're
20:45
Speaker 10: just be thrown out the window. And yet someone at
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Speaker 10: the Abay says, Oh, I am getting a good idea.
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Speaker 6: I'm going to be a bit contrary here because for
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Speaker 6: about five Olympic Games I sent throughout breakfast program to
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Speaker 6: Olympic Games where they never called an event and they
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Speaker 6: actually delivered a fantastic program. I also am a big contrary.
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Speaker 6: Oh here's a fun fact for you. The two people
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Speaker 6: who went from ABC Adelaide, Jules Schiller and I can't
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Speaker 6: remember his colleague's name. They're the highest rating ABC Breakfast
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Speaker 6: program in the country. They're the only ABC Breakfast program
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Speaker 6: that rates in double figures, actually rate twelve percent. Everyone
21:24
Speaker 6: else in Sydney and Melbourne down around five.
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Speaker 2: Can I say that? Says more about the quality of
21:29
Speaker 2: the ABC team around the country necessary rather than that.
21:32
Speaker 1: I think it says more about Adelaide than anything else.
21:35
Speaker 1: The fine city of the future.
21:37
Speaker 2: Now Larry Emda won the Gold Logi last night. Now,
21:42
Speaker 2: he made a joke during the week that if he won,
21:45
Speaker 2: he would have the initials of the people he was
21:50
Speaker 2: up against the other runners up tattoos on his bottom
21:54
Speaker 2: live on air. No one expected him to actually follow
21:57
Speaker 2: through with this, but here's what happened this morning on
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Speaker 2: Channel seven.
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Speaker 4: Basically it's a little line drawing of a LOGI holding
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Speaker 4: the TV and within the TV the other the initials
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Speaker 4: of the other wonderful nominees who are up for a
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Speaker 4: Gold Logi.
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Speaker 7: Last night, Yes right, can I just tell you one thing?
22:12
Speaker 7: Tell me that love Butte you.
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Speaker 1: Can see that that's from Aunt Middleton.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be Oh, he actually had the initials tattoo.
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Speaker 2: I thought it would have been more painful to get
22:25
Speaker 2: a tattoo. I thought he would be screaming and wincing,
22:27
Speaker 2: and he just did it.
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Speaker 10: Barry MdeR I think throughout his entire career has been
22:31
Speaker 10: the most underestimated personality in the Australian media. He bloke
22:35
Speaker 10: is incredibly smart, he's incredibly funny as he does really
22:38
Speaker 10: quick on his feet, and he would have firstly he
22:41
Speaker 10: would have said that knowing that there would be votes
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Speaker 10: in it, that people would vote for him just to
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Speaker 10: see it get done. He was always going to do it.
22:47
Speaker 10: I think he was going to win anyway, because just
22:49
Speaker 10: people just love the guy.
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Speaker 1: I love the guy.
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Speaker 10: I've been out there with my MS everywhere I can go.
22:56
Speaker 10: He is just the He is just the best bloke
22:59
Speaker 10: is not honestly, TV we all know can be a
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Speaker 10: bit of a vius.
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Speaker 5: And he's guine genuinely as.
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Speaker 1: I've got a terrible confession to make to you.
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Speaker 2: To go for it, Steve.
23:12
Speaker 1: I was in a show called I'm a Celebrity Getting
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Speaker 1: Me out of Here.
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Speaker 6: I was at in jungle for forty three days and
23:18
Speaker 6: I had a bet with the AFL footballer Dane Swan,
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Speaker 6: who was also in there, that whoever got eliminated first
23:24
Speaker 6: had to get the other's initials tattooed on their bodies. Now,
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Speaker 6: Dane swe owns a tattoo parlor and is covered in tattoos.
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Speaker 6: I got thrown out before him and have his initials
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Speaker 6: tattooed on the inside of my left.
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Speaker 2: You didn't you actually.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to take them up. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that we can see it, but we'll try it.
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Speaker 6: It's on this side, which tattoo?
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Speaker 2: Which your tattoos?
23:50
Speaker 1: You actually?
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Speaker 9: Wow, this is obviously a thing.
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Speaker 10: I think the real story here is that Steve's been working.
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Speaker 2: Out all right, and on that note.
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Speaker 5: Naked, I've got nothing, I've got no tattoos.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and get Sharry tattooed on your right.
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Speaker 2: Butt cheek, all right, Steve Price, Joe Brand good to see.
24:18
Speaker 6: All right.
24:19
Speaker 2: Let's return to today's polling results for the Albanezy government,
24:23
Speaker 2: and it was more polling pain with the latest Freshwater
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Speaker 2: Strategy results showing that Labor is heading towards a minority government.
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Speaker 2: The coalition is in front in the two party preferred result,
24:35
Speaker 2: while also beating Labor in key voter concerns like housing, tax,
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Speaker 2: economic management, national security, and cost of living. And let's
24:45
Speaker 2: bring in now someone who I'm sure doesn't have the
24:47
Speaker 2: tattoos of anyone's initials on his forearm or butt cheek,
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Speaker 2: the director of Freshwater Strategy, Leo Shanahan.
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Speaker 11: Well, how would you know, Shari? But yes, yeah, Look
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Speaker 11: it is more polling paid as is said for at
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Speaker 11: the Albanese Labor government. This is the second poll in
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Speaker 11: a row. Now we do have the coalition behind in front,
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Speaker 11: I should say on two pp. Now it is within
25:12
Speaker 11: that margin of error at fifty one forty nine, but
25:16
Speaker 11: it is a concern for the Alberanesi government. Obviously, of
25:20
Speaker 11: more concern is probably you, as you stated, those issues
25:24
Speaker 11: relating to cost of living, housing and accommodation, all those
25:31
Speaker 11: key issues. Now there's a couple in particular in regards
25:34
Speaker 11: to immigration and asylum and crime that are climbing in
25:38
Speaker 11: terms of importance for voters, and at the same time
25:42
Speaker 11: those issues are falling away in terms of people's view
25:47
Speaker 11: of the Labor government's ability to manage them. Now, the
25:52
Speaker 11: Labor government did paw back some points in terms of
25:58
Speaker 11: management on that key issue of cost and standard of living,
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Speaker 11: but really it's a clear concern that with seventy six
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Speaker 11: percent of people rating this issue as their number one
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Speaker 11: concern and the Albanesi Labor government being minus seven points
26:16
Speaker 11: in their ability to manage it.
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Speaker 2: So if these results were replicated at a federal election,
26:23
Speaker 2: I mean we're not expecting the federal election, despite what
26:25
Speaker 2: many journalists keep telling us, we're not expecting the federal
26:28
Speaker 2: election until early next year. But if it were replicated
26:32
Speaker 2: these results, what would that mean for labor retaining government.
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Speaker 11: Well, look, they would definitely go into minority government status.
26:40
Speaker 11: They would more than likely be able to form a
26:43
Speaker 11: government ahead of the coalition, but we are now looking
26:46
Speaker 11: at definite minority status on these numbers. Now we should
26:50
Speaker 11: say that swings are really uniform. But if there was
26:54
Speaker 11: a uniform swing at a federal election based on these numbers,
26:59
Speaker 11: we would have the ALP dropping down to seventy one seats,
27:03
Speaker 11: the Greens at four, Independence at eight, and the Liberal
27:07
Speaker 11: National Coalition at sixty five. Now that's a gain of
27:10
Speaker 11: eight seats on the last elections. So obviously still a
27:15
Speaker 11: while from away, I should say, from claiming any kind
27:19
Speaker 11: of maturity government the coalition, but it would give Peter
27:23
Speaker 11: Dutton a great deal of heart.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and his line is that he's got the momentum
27:28
Speaker 2: at the moment Leo. The analysis by Phil Courry in
27:31
Speaker 2: the Finn Review today is that the Gaza visa issue
27:36
Speaker 2: is you know that you're polling shows that it is
27:39
Speaker 2: shaping the way voters see the government's handling of the
27:44
Speaker 2: national security issue. You don't have to look at the
27:47
Speaker 2: specific results if you don't have them there in front
27:49
Speaker 2: of you, but just generally speaking, you know the government.
27:52
Speaker 2: Dutton must think that this issue is resonating with voters
27:56
Speaker 2: because this is the second parliamentary week in a row
27:58
Speaker 2: where he's hounding the Prime Minister over it. So how
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Speaker 2: is this shaping the perception of the Albanezy government when
28:05
Speaker 2: it comes to security.
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Speaker 11: Well, look, immigration and asylum are rising in terms of
28:12
Speaker 11: importance among voters, and as I said, that is also
28:16
Speaker 11: coinciding with a rise in the coalition's ability to manage
28:21
Speaker 11: this issue among voters. So obviously Peter Dutton feels that
28:26
Speaker 11: there's not a great deal. Well, he feels there is
28:28
Speaker 11: genuine risk here obviously, But from a political perspective, the
28:32
Speaker 11: risk is all on the Labor on the Labor government
28:36
Speaker 11: in terms of what that issue means for the electorate,
28:40
Speaker 11: especially in those key seats in Southwest Sydney that have
28:45
Speaker 11: large Muslim populations. There's very much a lot of pressure
28:48
Speaker 11: on senior ministers within the Labor government in those seats
28:52
Speaker 11: and it's not one seemingly that Peter Dutton is concerned
28:57
Speaker 11: about putting pressure on Prime Minister o An easier beout.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Leah Shadahan, thank you very much for
29:03
Speaker 2: your time. Now after the break the promise Albin easy
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Speaker 2: made to Muslim leaders before the election, plus should the
29:10
Speaker 2: ABC be awarded for its anti Israel bias? To discuss
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Speaker 2: Colin Rubinstein will join me next. Welcome back. Well, we
29:21
Speaker 2: learned on the weekend that there was a Hermus plot
29:24
Speaker 2: to destroy the war graves of Australian soldiers and then
29:28
Speaker 2: hold them prisoner. This was detailed in a seven page
29:32
Speaker 2: document found in Gaza two years ago. It was uncovered
29:36
Speaker 2: in a plastic sleeve at a compound in cainn units
29:39
Speaker 2: linked to Hamas leaders. To discuss this and more, let's
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Speaker 2: bring in now Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council Executive
29:46
Speaker 2: Director Colin Rubinstein. Colin, good to see you again. Look,
29:50
Speaker 2: this is a horrific plan. If this is true, if
29:54
Speaker 2: the documents were accurate, what was Hermas actually planning to do?
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Speaker 12: Look, as you say, it's horrific, it's a very very
30:05
Speaker 12: problem manatiring and I think it's part of the bigger
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Speaker 12: fabric that Hamas has as a game plan for all
30:15
Speaker 12: to see to destroy Israel one way or the other,
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Speaker 12: demonizing it and de legitimizing it, and to kill Jews.
30:23
Speaker 12: And the unfortunate reality is it's acted on that game.
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Speaker 2: Plan, as I mentioned at the Colin, as I mentioned
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Speaker 2: at the start of the program, Tonight, ABC journalist John
30:37
Speaker 2: Lyons was awarded the Top Journalism Prize for Moral Clarity
30:42
Speaker 2: on the Israel Hamas War. This recognition comes despite Lions
30:47
Speaker 2: facing criticism for history of anti Israel bias. He rejects that, Colin,
30:54
Speaker 2: what do you make of John Lyons receiving this award?
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Speaker 12: Well, I listened to your editor or early. You make
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Speaker 12: a lot of very good points. Certainly you've given a
31:04
Speaker 12: number of examples on the other hospital, on a terrible
31:10
Speaker 12: hesbalar attack which took the life of twelve Israeli children
31:15
Speaker 12: playing soccer, and so on. Look, John has a long
31:18
Speaker 12: record in Middle East coverage, There's no doubt about that.
31:23
Speaker 12: But I think the key to all of this is
31:25
Speaker 12: that he blames Israel for the lack of peace and
31:28
Speaker 12: the lack of a Palestinian state. Subsequently, the sixty seven
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Speaker 12: war defensive war Israel Ford it took a tery Palestinian
31:37
Speaker 12: terratory he saw, and it's Israel's fault that there's not
31:41
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state because they won't relinquish it. The truth
31:44
Speaker 12: of the matter is it is reluctant to report or
31:46
Speaker 12: to ask about facts that don't perhaps fit that narrative
31:50
Speaker 12: roll making three major offers for a Palestinian state which
31:54
Speaker 12: they've unequivocally rejected, like the clear determination to pursue his
31:59
Speaker 12: strategy de legitimizus in Israel to try and destroy very clear,
32:03
Speaker 12: and the more extreme how much approach to actually go
32:08
Speaker 12: after the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews.
32:11
Speaker 12: So okay, So there is that element. I think in
32:17
Speaker 12: John's reporting that of October seven war, you've given a
32:22
Speaker 12: number of examples and his reluctance to accept the Israel
32:26
Speaker 12: version of what happened. I wish you'd applied the same
32:29
Speaker 12: sort of scrutiny to come So is the problematic award
32:32
Speaker 12: somewhat questionable? As your editor points out the.
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Speaker 2: Look two leaders of Australia's largest Muslim organization have told
32:41
Speaker 2: The City Morning Herald that Albanezi promised in a meeting
32:44
Speaker 2: before the twenty twenty two election that recognizing a Palestinian
32:49
Speaker 2: state would be a priority for his incoming labor government.
32:53
Speaker 2: The Australian National IMAMS Council Legal Advisor Billao Ralph said
32:58
Speaker 2: there was a general acceptance in the meat that this
33:01
Speaker 2: would be given priority in the first term. He says,
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Speaker 2: there's no doubt many people will take this failure to
33:07
Speaker 2: recognize Palestine into account as one of the many considerations
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Speaker 2: when they vote. Colin, do you think we should be
33:14
Speaker 2: hearing a response from the Prime Minister about this commitment
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Speaker 2: if he made one, and perhaps you know, I suppose
33:22
Speaker 2: two state recognition or a Palestinian state recognition at this
33:25
Speaker 2: time would be problematic if HUMAS is still the governing
33:29
Speaker 2: body in Gaza.
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Speaker 12: Look, I think the stories I read it doesn't even
33:33
Speaker 12: substantiate a claim. Certainly labor policy is a priority for
33:37
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state at a time of government's choosing. There's
33:41
Speaker 12: no indication it would be in the first term. And
33:44
Speaker 12: so I think you could criticize the Prime Minister for
33:48
Speaker 12: a lot of things on many shoes. I'm not sure
33:51
Speaker 12: this is one of them. But of course the foreigners
33:54
Speaker 12: that did suggest did imply that a recognizing a Palatinian
33:58
Speaker 12: state how will kick the process towards recognition. The truth
34:07
Speaker 12: of the matter is, I think the government even understands
34:10
Speaker 12: we had an unreconstructed Palestinian leadership at this stage. Recognizing
34:15
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state would be a reward of Hamas's tepism
34:19
Speaker 12: and the rejectionism that's continuing the Palestinian authority, and it
34:23
Speaker 12: would only lead to further conflict. They wouldn't kickstart a
34:28
Speaker 12: process towards a resolution, towards a two outcome, which of
34:31
Speaker 12: course Israel is offered on three serious occasions.
34:38
Speaker 2: All right, Colin Rubinstein, thank you very much, appreciate your
34:40
Speaker 2: time as always. Now let's quickly turn to some breaking
34:44
Speaker 2: news coming out of the UK, where an alleged horror
34:48
Speaker 2: stabbing spree in Manchester has seen a forty three year
34:51
Speaker 2: old woman killed and two others seriously injured. A twenty
34:55
Speaker 2: two year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder,
34:58
Speaker 2: while a seventeen year old girl and a sixty four
35:01
Speaker 2: year old man have been taken to hospital with life
35:04
Speaker 2: threatening injuries. That breaking news just coming through. Will bring
35:08
Speaker 2: you updates as they come. Now still to come on
35:10
Speaker 2: the show, Peter Darton threatens to take over the New
35:13
Speaker 2: South Wales Liberal Party as leaked messages lift the lid
35:16
Speaker 2: on the candidate fiasco, plus why Brittany Higgins won't be
35:20
Speaker 2: giving evidence in the Linda Reynolds defamation trial. Those details
35:25
Speaker 2: after this quick break will Leaked messages have lifted the
35:32
Speaker 2: lid on Liberal President Don Harwin's role in the failure
35:36
Speaker 2: to register one hundred and forty candidates for the local
35:39
Speaker 2: government elections. The Daily Telegraphs James Willis writes that several
35:43
Speaker 2: group WhatsApp messages of the Liberal Party State executive showed
35:47
Speaker 2: Don Harwin providing updates as the deadline for the New
35:51
Speaker 2: South Wales Electoral Commission approached. Let's bring in tonight's political
35:55
Speaker 2: insider panel, Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and Bill Shorten's former
35:59
Speaker 2: chief of staff Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both. Cameron.
36:03
Speaker 9: Can you tell us a.
36:04
Speaker 2: Bit more about these leaked WhatsApp messages.
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Speaker 1: Well, Sharie.
36:10
Speaker 13: Nominations are a fundamental birthright of political parties to do.
36:13
Speaker 13: I mean, it's something's essential, it's in our DNA to do.
36:17
Speaker 13: It's elections that we run for campaigns we won, and
36:20
Speaker 13: fundamental to that is getting nominations in to actually have
36:22
Speaker 13: candidates in the field. So it's not like it's something
36:24
Speaker 13: that happens once in a blue moon. It happens at
36:26
Speaker 13: every single election. So is gross incompetence, gross negligence that
36:30
Speaker 13: the New South Wales branch couldn't get not just one,
36:33
Speaker 13: but one hundred and forty nominations in to local government.
36:35
Speaker 13: Thank goodness it wasn't the stay election or the federal
36:37
Speaker 13: election they failed in because it would have really mattered then.
36:39
Speaker 1: But no, Look, anyone.
36:40
Speaker 13: Involved in this should be gone and should never be
36:42
Speaker 13: seen again in the party administration. That Don Harwin he
36:45
Speaker 13: should go as well.
36:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is extreme incompetence and now there's talk that
36:49
Speaker 2: some of the Liberal candidates who've missed out might commence
36:52
Speaker 2: legal action. Holly Hughes, obviously you're in the Liberal Party.
36:56
Speaker 2: Do you think Don Harwin needs to go over this?
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Speaker 14: I am absolutely appalled at what's occurred here. Cameron's right
37:05
Speaker 14: when he talks about this being a fundamental job of
37:08
Speaker 14: a political party and there needs to be a wholesale
37:12
Speaker 14: review into how this occurred. I feel absolutely that upset
37:18
Speaker 14: for the candidates who aren't able to contest. The current
37:22
Speaker 14: counselors and mayors who aren't able to recontest.
37:26
Speaker 9: It's just appalling for them.
37:28
Speaker 14: I'm very concerned for some of our federal candidates and
37:32
Speaker 14: members in New South Wales, some of them who are
37:36
Speaker 14: going into areas with significant seat redistributions and are going
37:40
Speaker 14: to have no Liberal representation on the local councils.
37:45
Speaker 9: And we know how important.
37:46
Speaker 14: It is with the brand, with the ID, with keeping
37:50
Speaker 14: up what local commitments are occurring. It's just critical that
37:55
Speaker 14: all three levels of government have some communication with each
37:58
Speaker 14: other and are not going to have representation in many
38:02
Speaker 14: of these areas.
38:03
Speaker 9: So I do think there needs to be a wholesale review.
38:05
Speaker 14: It's there'll be a number of people.
38:09
Speaker 9: Look, Brian Lockmain is going to do a review.
38:11
Speaker 14: There's discussions around federal intervention, and if federal intervention occurs,
38:15
Speaker 14: it means the entire state executive goes and you know
38:18
Speaker 14: it's an unworkable size of twenty nine people. They were
38:22
Speaker 14: still doing endorsements, I understand up until the last possible minute,
38:26
Speaker 14: because candidates were being added from all sorts of places.
38:30
Speaker 9: The whole thing.
38:31
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm not involved in local government. I never
38:34
Speaker 14: have been. I've sat on the executive but from everything
38:38
Speaker 14: I've heard, which is generally what I've read in the press.
38:41
Speaker 9: It is an absolute shamuzzle.
38:43
Speaker 14: And yes, I think that there will need to be
38:45
Speaker 14: significant ramifications here.
38:47
Speaker 2: All Right, Brittany Higgins will not give evidence in the
38:50
Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds defamation trial. The Nightly reporting that higgins medical
38:55
Speaker 2: state was one of the contributing factors to her decision
38:59
Speaker 2: not to fly back from France. Cameron, is this understandable that,
39:04
Speaker 2: given she is having difficulties she is suffering, that she
39:08
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to face another courtroom? What do you think?
39:13
Speaker 13: Well, I think the horrible situation is that everyone who's
39:15
Speaker 13: been touched by this case, including my very very dear
39:18
Speaker 13: friend Kimblely Kitchen who lost a life in the midst
39:20
Speaker 13: of this situation as well, and everyone who's been touched
39:22
Speaker 13: by the Higgins Reynolds saga, has an awful story to
39:26
Speaker 13: tell and this is no different. Brittany should have a
39:28
Speaker 13: day in court, but if she's not medically capable of
39:30
Speaker 13: doing that, we'll let the judge decide. Of the evidence
39:33
Speaker 13: that's been tended to date, and obviously there's been a
39:34
Speaker 13: lot of evidence tended to date. I think there's still
39:37
Speaker 13: questions to be asked. I think Pattie Gallagher's got questions
39:40
Speaker 13: to ask. I think Penny Wong has I think Mark
39:42
Speaker 13: Dreyfus for two million dollars settlement in twenty four hours.
39:45
Speaker 13: There's lots of questions for people who are still involved
39:47
Speaker 13: in this that need to be answered.
39:49
Speaker 2: Indeed, Hully, I actually want to ask you about the
39:52
Speaker 2: NDIS because shocking revelations in the Herald that the anddis
39:56
Speaker 2: has yet to introduce any protective measures for work who
40:00
Speaker 2: support known sexual predators and violent offenders on the system.
40:04
Speaker 2: This is despite the launch of a justice panel, so
40:07
Speaker 2: one needs to be done here.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's absolutely disgraceful that this has been allowed to continue.
40:14
Speaker 14: There has been some changes made because we had an
40:18
Speaker 14: instance earlier in the year where a man that was
40:21
Speaker 14: released from prison who had sexual assaultant and I think
40:25
Speaker 14: from memory rape charges that he'd been found guilty of, convicted,
40:29
Speaker 14: serve time and left, was given an MDIs plan.
40:32
Speaker 9: He was self managing that plan and was advertising for
40:36
Speaker 9: young support workers to walk along the beach with him.
40:39
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm still not sure why he even had
40:42
Speaker 14: an MDIs plan, But there have made moves to ensure
40:47
Speaker 14: that people who have convictions particularly those of a sexual nature,
40:50
Speaker 14: are put on agency managed plans, so that means that
40:53
Speaker 14: they can't run their own sort of advertising for support workers,
40:58
Speaker 14: but there doesn't seem to be any protection. So agency
41:01
Speaker 14: plan managed means that they have to use registered providers,
41:04
Speaker 14: which tend to be the bigger organizations. But I'm not
41:07
Speaker 14: aware that those organizations need to be told that the
41:11
Speaker 14: participant has this in their background.
41:14
Speaker 9: And I think, you know, like so many.
41:16
Speaker 14: Things, we've gone too far when it comes to the
41:19
Speaker 14: human rights of one group over the human rights of
41:23
Speaker 14: another group. And you'll see the civil libertarians argue that
41:27
Speaker 14: people that you know, have been convicted of things serve
41:30
Speaker 14: their time, that they should be able to access their
41:33
Speaker 14: services with zero consideration of the rights and the protections
41:39
Speaker 14: of those and quite often women that are sent out.
41:41
Speaker 9: As support workers. So there does.
41:43
Speaker 14: Need to be some modification here that you know, perhaps
41:47
Speaker 14: they're only allowed to use certain providers and those providers
41:50
Speaker 14: are fully briefed and aware, and they're not given people
41:54
Speaker 14: one at a time that there's not one on one
41:56
Speaker 14: support at any stage.
41:57
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know how they're going to do it.
42:00
Speaker 14: Is putting the safety of particularly the young women that
42:03
Speaker 14: are quite often work in these allied health and support
42:06
Speaker 14: worker areas.
42:07
Speaker 2: It's not acceptable no, as you say, putting often female
42:10
Speaker 2: cares at risk. Now, I just want to end with
42:13
Speaker 2: getting both of your views on the row that's unfolding
42:17
Speaker 2: in Parliament in Question Time that Cameron Milner Peter Dutton
42:20
Speaker 2: is being accused of being racist and divisive for daring
42:24
Speaker 2: to propose about on arrivals from Gaza, even when we
42:30
Speaker 2: now know that security checks aren't being done properly to
42:33
Speaker 2: ensure that noahr Musk sympathizers are arriving in the country.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, Peter Dutton's not a racist.
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Speaker 13: It's the easiest thing to say, and the primes should
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Speaker 13: have stood up and said the same thing. Kelly Staggle
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Speaker 13: overstepped the mark and grows slur on Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 13: his character. Can I say, Shari that Labour's own figures
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Speaker 13: show that seventy percent of these tourists have failed the
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Speaker 13: security chests, the most basic security tests. Seventy percent the
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Speaker 13: rready failed. When Peter Dunton let twelve thousand people from
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Speaker 13: Syrian Iraq in there's a twelve month process and five
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Speaker 13: hundred didn't.
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Speaker 1: Pass the security test.
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Speaker 13: So eleven and a half thousand people came in, but under
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Speaker 13: our bows watch, seventy percent failed the most basic terrorist
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Speaker 13: tach terrorist test. So look, I'm really worried about these
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Speaker 13: guardans who come here, have come in without the tests,
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Speaker 13: without security, and I think Peter Dutton is absolutely doing
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Speaker 13: the right thing, not only is the Opposition leader, but
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Speaker 13: for Australia to stand up for a national security on
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Speaker 13: such a vital subject matter in terms of making sure
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Speaker 13: that people who are harmass sympathizers or worse, har mass
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Speaker 13: terrorists don't slip into our community.
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Speaker 1: Shari.
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Speaker 2: We can't take that risk at the moment when there's
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Speaker 2: already so much violence breaking out, when even labor politicians'
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Speaker 2: officers have been targeted in appalling ways that could have
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Speaker 2: easily put someone at serious risk. Holly, what do you think?
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Speaker 15: Oh?
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Speaker 14: Look, I mean I was here this morning and breakfast
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Speaker 14: with Matt fist alway, and you know the rhetoric that's
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Speaker 14: coming out of the ALP is around old Peter Dutton
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Speaker 14: using divisive language. Yet not one ALP member has called
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Speaker 14: out Zalie Stegel for her use of calling Peter Dutton
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Speaker 14: a racist Cameron's right, he's not a racist. When he
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Speaker 14: has been in roles around immigration, he has ensured that
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Speaker 14: there have been due processes put in.
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Speaker 9: Place when it comes to security checks.
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Speaker 14: But we've also got to remember this is a government
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Speaker 14: who has increased its funding to UNRA. Now we know
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Speaker 14: UNRA have people on the ground during the October seventh attacks.
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Speaker 14: We know UNRA has an education program which is deeply
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Speaker 14: rooted in teaching anti Semitism to young children. Even if
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Speaker 14: these people that are coming through aren't Hamas, you know
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Speaker 14: signed and sealed up to Hamas, they rightly have had
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Speaker 14: their entire life home filled with anti Semitic tropes being
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Speaker 14: pushed at them.
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Speaker 9: So you know, I think he's spot.
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Speaker 2: On completely right. All Right, Holly Hughes, Cameron Mill thank
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Speaker 2: you both very much. Now after the break, all eyes
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Speaker 2: on the US as Democrats prepare for their national convention.
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Speaker 2: But could protesters derail the event? Plus, if the polls
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Speaker 2: are right, are we really looking at a Kamala Harris presidency, Well,
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Speaker 2: Kosher Garda would join me next. Well, let's turn now
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Speaker 2: to the United States, where Kamala Harris is leading Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump nationally in the latest ABC poll. The former president
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Speaker 2: is still performing better in key election issues, the economy, inflation,
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Speaker 2: and immigration. Well, let's bring in now Sky News contributor
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gada. Great to see you, Kosher. Look, this immigration
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Speaker 2: poll has got to hurt Harris because she was in
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Speaker 2: charge of border security. She was once tapped to be
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Speaker 2: the bordersar. Now this is clearly her area of weakness.
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Speaker 2: She is on top.
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Speaker 9: Though.
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Speaker 2: Do you think it is looking like we could say
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Speaker 2: a Kamala Harris presidency.
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Speaker 15: It is very possible we're going to be in a
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Speaker 15: knife fight for the remaining seventy five eighty days that
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Speaker 15: we have to go. This is extremely razor thin, as
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Speaker 15: have been the last two elections. You know this further
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Speaker 15: is in that regard. But I think what you're putting
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Speaker 15: your finger on there, Shari is key, which is this
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Speaker 15: is about issues all day and all night long. It's
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Speaker 15: about the issues. Immigration is a top two issue in
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Speaker 15: the country for good reason when you look at just
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Speaker 15: the quantum and what's been going on both illegally and legally.
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Speaker 15: Trump has historically always been very very strong of that issue.
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Speaker 15: It was his signature issue that led him to victory
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Speaker 15: in twenty sixteen, and a very close call in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 15: So that is a winning issue for him. But the
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Speaker 15: question is is he going to be able to get
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Speaker 15: cut through on that and is she is Harris going
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Speaker 15: to be able to distance herself from that track record
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Speaker 15: under Biden? So far, with avoiding the press and taking
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Speaker 15: the approaches she's taken, it seems to be working. And
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Speaker 15: that's kind of her strategy. Can she run out the
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Speaker 15: clock and sort of wash her hands of the immigration
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Speaker 15: issue or will Trump be able to pin it on her.
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Speaker 2: Look where the Democratic National Convention is about to get
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Speaker 2: under way, how do you think we're going to say
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Speaker 2: the party pitch Kamala Harris to voters if she can't
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Speaker 2: draw on much of her own experience.
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Speaker 15: You know, I think it'll be more of that sort
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Speaker 15: of trying to present her as a clean slate and
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Speaker 15: somebody will do all these great things on day one,
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Speaker 15: which we've seen signals of that already. It's a bit
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Speaker 15: interesting because usually vps ride the coattails of popular presidents,
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Speaker 15: and this is a very unusual situation that you know,
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Speaker 15: that she's found herself in and the reason that she's
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Speaker 15: received this nomination. There's going to be other things, like
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Speaker 15: the protests that are due to be happening or happening
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Speaker 15: as we speak in Chicago. That kind of shows that
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Speaker 15: fracturing in the party and other things like that. But
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Speaker 15: I think the conventions, you know, I would expect to
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Speaker 15: see a little bit of a bump in the polls
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Speaker 15: for her, and they're going to bring out the stops,
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Speaker 15: former presidents, sitting president, Hollywood celebrities, you know, the works,
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Speaker 15: and people tend to leave these things with a little
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Speaker 15: bit of feel good attitude for the candidate.
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Speaker 2: And then of course there's going to be the question
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Speaker 2: of her debate with Donald Trump. You know, is he
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Speaker 2: going to be able to put her under pressure without
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Speaker 2: attacking her personally, because it seems to be that voters
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Speaker 2: don't like that, and I've heard a lot of commentators
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Speaker 2: saying it does seem to be true that in many
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Speaker 2: ways she brings out the worst instincts in him, because
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Speaker 2: the attacks do become quite personal and potentially sexist as well.
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Speaker 2: So we've got all of that to look forward to.
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Speaker 2: A tough interview would be good as well. Kosha Gada,
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Speaker 2: great to see you as always, and that's it from me.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. I'll see you tomorrow night at eight o'clock,
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Speaker 2: and up now in the man cave is Paul Murray.