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Buck Showalter on Pete’s rise, Judge’s walks, Braves coaching changes · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: At some point the things you're teaching and the things
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  Speaker 1: you're doing should starts showing up in a game and
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  Speaker 1: almost scoreboard.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that Buck show walters see. I love the
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  Speaker 2: chair too.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like he's ready to dive in with us.
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  Speaker 3: But good to see you. Great to have you back
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  Speaker 3: on FT. I've heard you've got a nice, pretty microphone too,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm excited to hear your voice. I am going
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  Speaker 3: to try to get right to biz with you because
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  Speaker 3: you did manage this player a few years ago. What
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  Speaker 3: do you think about the story of Pete Alonzo? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: last year he was fine, but not great compared to
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  Speaker 3: previous seasons. He looks more like the guy from the
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  Speaker 3: past now, and he went through some things in the offseason.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how many games you've caught and swings
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  Speaker 3: you've caught of his. But what are you seeing?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I got Pete, p and Pete. You know, Pete's
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  Speaker 1: a great collision hitter. You know, he's one of those
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  Speaker 1: and I'm saying that with the great reverence. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when he collides with the ball, great things happen. And
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  Speaker 1: he's just so country strong. I'm pulling for him. I
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  Speaker 1: mean what are you saying in reference to I know,
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  Speaker 1: his contract is interesting with some of the language in
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  Speaker 1: it that kind of protects, you know, him in case
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  Speaker 1: he has a good year and Scott and what look
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  Speaker 1: are you looking at it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in the offseason, he's probably thinking he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna sign for whatever four years, one hundred or something
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  Speaker 3: like that, and the rest of the market wasn't valuing
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  Speaker 3: him or teams were just not looking for a first
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  Speaker 3: basement like that, which is mind blowing in its own right.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, you know, there's certain teams that are never going
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  Speaker 3: to go down that route, like the Pirates, but even
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  Speaker 3: the Washington Nationals, for example, they did end up getting
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  Speaker 3: someone in Nathanielo.
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  Speaker 2: So it's fine, it's the route they took.
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  Speaker 3: But initially we go into the off season, we're like, damn,
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  Speaker 3: we could come up with quite a few teams here
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  Speaker 3: that could use a potential fifty home run bat. And
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  Speaker 3: then he's really just talking to the Mets in a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of the Blue Jays there. So he seemed,
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  Speaker 3: you know, unfazed now this year that he's he's already
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  Speaker 3: gone through that free agencies and process and now he's
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  Speaker 3: just going to do his thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's there's some thoughts that I have
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  Speaker 1: on one that you know his mind's at Eddie's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with a number of players over
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  Speaker 1: the year. He'd be walking around during batting practice and
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  Speaker 1: they may ask advice about something, and I try to
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  Speaker 1: stay out the contracts. I just said, just ask yourself
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  Speaker 1: how much is enough? How much is enough? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: are you happy here? Do you like your teammates? Are
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  Speaker 1: you looking for a greener pastures? Because the grass is
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  Speaker 1: not always greener. I'm sure both Eric and aj will
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  Speaker 1: tell you. You know, when you find a place that your
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  Speaker 1: family's comfortable and everything, there's something monetary for that. And
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  Speaker 1: I also worry a little bit about a potential workstopage
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  Speaker 1: in twenty six and what that might do where Pete's concerned.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I would be thinking about.
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  Speaker 5: Do you ever have those conversations like, let's say you
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  Speaker 5: had that conversation. We're obviously doing hypotheticals and you're like, man,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Pete says his wife really loves New York.
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  Speaker 4: Do you because this is as.
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  Speaker 5: A player, you always were leary of talking to anybody
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  Speaker 5: manager front office and being like peegos, my wife really
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  Speaker 5: loves it here, she is, you know, and he stops.
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  Speaker 5: Do you take that conversation into the front office as
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  Speaker 5: a manager?
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  Speaker 2: Never? Never?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know? Do you know what they do? Do
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  Speaker 4: they ask you or do they ask you work?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: They try to, but I tell them that you know
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  Speaker 1: that that trust you have to have with players. I
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  Speaker 1: remember John Scope came up to me. I remember, like
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  Speaker 1: yesterday behind second base during batting practice. So someone had
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  Speaker 1: offered him a bunch of money up front, but he
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  Speaker 1: got a really high percentage of everything he made the
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  Speaker 1: rest of his career. And John, you know, was a
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  Speaker 1: year or two or three years away from free agency,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, Buck, what do you think about this?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, well, if they're doing it with you,
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  Speaker 1: they're doing it with five or six seven other young players.
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  Speaker 1: And I guarantee you guys have probably heard about it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like seven eight million dollars up front,
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  Speaker 1: but they got like maybe twenty thirty percent of what
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  Speaker 1: they made the rest of their career. And instead of
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  Speaker 1: saying no, you know, I knew John.
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  Speaker 2: I'd been to.
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  Speaker 1: John's Island and Cursell and I also, you know what
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  Speaker 1: that might mean to him, and what would happen if
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  Speaker 1: he got hurt two days later and never realized you
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  Speaker 1: know what's seventy million dollars in cursale is you know
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  Speaker 1: he's set in the rest of his life. So when
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  Speaker 1: you get asked those questions by players, you want to
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  Speaker 1: be real, real, honest and trusting and knowing that that
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  Speaker 1: information is not going where. But that's also where agents
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  Speaker 1: come into play, where you know Pete's wife and different
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  Speaker 1: people are comfble there, but at some point you've got
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  Speaker 1: to have somebody that's looking out for the big picture
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  Speaker 1: and realizing, yeah, there's some emotions involved, but you also
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  Speaker 1: realizing you're leaving this much on the table if you
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  Speaker 1: don't go out. And agents also are trying to keep
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  Speaker 1: the market at a certain place where if you get
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  Speaker 1: an agent that signs real low, the big time agents
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  Speaker 1: are not happy with him, but it affects them.
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  Speaker 4: Agents, Buck, I could see you and agents being super tight, Soup,
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  Speaker 4: you and I could see you and agents being like
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  Speaker 4: like this. Buck, I could just see you two sitting
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  Speaker 4: in a room together having some incredible conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them.
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  Speaker 1: So there's some really good ones out there that really
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  Speaker 1: have a good approach to it.
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  Speaker 2: They really do.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, and I'm glad some of our guys have
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  Speaker 1: them so they don't take get taken advantage of. And
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  Speaker 1: there are some that I would not want my son
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  Speaker 1: and Bob with or daughter.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let me ask you this book The Braves.
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  Speaker 4: The Braves fired their third base coach because they're not
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  Speaker 4: scoring runs because Matt Toyosa Sopo was too aggressive sending
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  Speaker 4: guys right. He was too aggressive waving him home even
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  Speaker 4: though they can't score any runs. Now, the next question
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  Speaker 4: is they brought back Freddy Freddy Gonzalz, who I love,
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  Speaker 4: I played for for a year and a half. But
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  Speaker 4: what's that like? As the manager, You're like, wait, I'm sticker.
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  Speaker 4: We brought in the guy that I when he got fired,
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  Speaker 4: I took over for Like, is that a little awkward
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  Speaker 4: for the manager coach relationship?
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  Speaker 1: I think with Freddie it's not. I think Freddie really
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  Speaker 1: knowing Freddie Freddie. I had Freddie and was it eighty
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  Speaker 1: eighty four and Fort Lardell in far Stately, I think
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  Speaker 1: Freddie gets it when you've walked a mile in Snit's
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  Speaker 1: shoes and you realize how important that trust is, and
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  Speaker 1: I would be surprised if Snip just said, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: do whatever you want to with my coaching staff. Knowing him,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that he probably had some input on it.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to tell you, once players see that
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of letting them go take good coaches. That's
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I left the Yankees years ago.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to fire four of my coaches. And being
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  Speaker 1: able to walk in that locker room and the players
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  Speaker 1: look at you and go, wait a minute, you're giving
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  Speaker 1: up good people left and right just to save yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's the case with Snip. I
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  Speaker 1: think he probably I don't know, that's the first I've
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  Speaker 1: heard about it, but you know, he's got one of
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  Speaker 1: those coaching staffs that you actually know some of the
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  Speaker 1: people that are on them.
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  Speaker 5: All right, There's been a couple firings managers of teams
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  Speaker 5: that aren't doing well right or wrong. When you took
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  Speaker 5: over in the middle of the year, did you feel like,
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  Speaker 5: when a team is struggling, you have to set a
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  Speaker 5: new standard. Because one of the managers didn't even say,
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  Speaker 5: didn't even well, I'll get back to you. I'll get
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  Speaker 5: back to you on what the new focus is. Because
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  Speaker 5: if there's no new focus for the team that's struggling,
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  Speaker 5: a team that's ten fifteen games under five hundred, what
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  Speaker 5: on earth are you taking over for? Keep the other guy?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Eric, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: I only took over one club and it was in August,
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  Speaker 1: so I had basically a month in three weeks, and
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  Speaker 1: I kept my mouth shut and basically watched. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: until you've been in a situation, you think you know
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  Speaker 1: everything from afar, but until you've walked a mile, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the players in the city, every place is different.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't make a lot of bold statements. I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of took notes, thought about who are keepers,
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  Speaker 1: who weren't, what needed to change, and you know, every
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  Speaker 1: situation is different that you go into, and what do
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  Speaker 1: they need you to bring that's not there, And it's
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  Speaker 1: no and going in and talking about the previous people
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  Speaker 1: or the regime or whatever. Nobody wants to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, fans don't want to hear it. Just shut
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  Speaker 1: up and play better. That's the only thing I ever
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  Speaker 1: had on a wall that I put up. I think
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  Speaker 1: I used to paint over a lot of all those
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  Speaker 1: sayings that people would go, oh my god, that didn't
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  Speaker 1: make me. Did you ever have a saying you read
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  Speaker 1: you went, wow, that made me a better player? We
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  Speaker 1: just put one thing up there. Play better, play better.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: That's all the fans. You know, they've heard all this
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  Speaker 1: lip service about what they're going to do. What they
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  Speaker 1: got to get back to. That's one of my keys.
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  Speaker 1: I don't you know, but morale and the people that
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  Speaker 1: are the ushers, the parking attendance, the people that work
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  Speaker 1: the doors, they're all part of the of the presentation
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  Speaker 1: of organization. There's so many facets in the change in
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  Speaker 1: that mindset, and I think you make a mistake if
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  Speaker 1: you go in there and just say everything's bad and
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  Speaker 1: everything stinks and I'm here to save the day. There
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  Speaker 1: are some good people there in these situations that you
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  Speaker 1: need to be aware of.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you guys a question.
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  Speaker 4: The Orioles.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, what Orioles?
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  Speaker 4: What need new players? You need new players, new gym,
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  Speaker 4: and a new owner. Let's start with that and then
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  Speaker 4: we'll go from there. As the manager, what can you do?
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  Speaker 4: You got the players you got, You can't you can't
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  Speaker 4: change who you got. You can't change horses strikes. They're
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  Speaker 4: not They're not very good. That's not a knock on
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  Speaker 4: the players. They're in the big leagues. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: But what are you going to do? I mean, they
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  Speaker 4: just swept the Marlins those on it must be better
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  Speaker 4: than them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting dynamic with the ballpark and
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  Speaker 1: the and the high you know, there's only I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you consider Arizona, but you know, one thing
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  Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about the other day. They're the
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  Speaker 1: only team in that mountain time zone. I think Arizona
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  Speaker 1: is considered in it. But their time I believe, never changes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they go they while other people may change,
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  Speaker 1: Arizona stays the same year around. That's one thing I
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  Speaker 1: loved about living out there. But there's just a lot
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  Speaker 1: of dynamics with Colorado that challenges that I think other
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  Speaker 1: people don't have. And there's got to be a you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can't make them play inside and change the pressure.
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  Speaker 1: We're you know where the elevation doesn't affect things, and
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  Speaker 1: it is a big factor there. But they have been
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  Speaker 1: to the playoffs before, they have had competitive teams, they
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  Speaker 1: have you know, there's something there. You know, everybody's got
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  Speaker 1: a theory on it. Trust me, everybody's got a theory
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  Speaker 1: on how you win in Colorado and in good luck.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, that leads you to a next ussure
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  Speaker 4: you the next manager of the Rockies or are you
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  Speaker 4: going to be the next manager of the Orioles when
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  Speaker 4: they ask you back? Because what would you do to
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  Speaker 4: fix Baltimore? Because they have not played up to their potential.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they got a lot of people hurt. I think
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna you know, they're getting it going a little
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  Speaker 1: bit now, you know. You know, it's like maybe a
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  Speaker 1: month ago, everybody's ready to run everybody out of town
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Next thing you know, they won ten games
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  Speaker 1: in a row, and now you know they're in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: If it ended the day, there's over one hundred games left.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't dwell in that. There's times when
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  Speaker 1: the baseball will make you feel like you're awful, and
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  Speaker 1: there are times when it makes you feel better than
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  Speaker 1: you actually are. And that's why you know, coaching staff
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  Speaker 1: and managers have to understand, you know, the end game
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  Speaker 1: at all points. At all times. You know there's sometimes
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  Speaker 1: in a game you may not have to put your
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  Speaker 1: best foot forward. You may not put your best foot
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  Speaker 1: forward so you can maintain long term success.
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  Speaker 2: But we're not.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I hope nobody gets let go. It's painful.
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  Speaker 1: I hope everybody keeps their job, and I hope everybody
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  Speaker 1: plays five hundred. But that's not the aj. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: much I'm not going to answer your question.
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  Speaker 2: What else?
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  Speaker 4: Well then well, then here's the next question. Did you
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  Speaker 4: ever go?
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  Speaker 5: Did you ever go into a season? And I'm thinking
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  Speaker 5: specifically of the Orioles. There's so much potential, so much youth,
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  Speaker 5: and you are a players manager where you're like, I
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  Speaker 5: believe in the players, maybe to a fault because the
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  Speaker 5: players may struggle and I can't do anything about that.
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  Speaker 5: All I can do is believe in them. But you
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  Speaker 5: sit there and you go, gosh, darn it. There were
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  Speaker 5: so many starting pitchers available and we just didn't get
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  Speaker 5: any of the top three that I was hoping for.
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  Speaker 5: Is that tough for you to overcome?
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  Speaker 4: As a manager?
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  Speaker 1: You can't live in that world, Eric, You can't. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you stay focused on what your job is. It's kind
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, have you guys seen the the Netflix?
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  Speaker 1: My wife got me watching Race for the crown, about
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  Speaker 1: the Triple Crown and all everything.
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  Speaker 2: But the guy had a great point.
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  Speaker 1: He said, you know, I'm the manager of a baseball
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  Speaker 1: team is like a jockey, and the trainer of the
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  Speaker 1: horse is kind of the GM. And you got to
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  Speaker 1: have such a close relationship. Those two guys have to
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  Speaker 1: be on the same page with everything. And you can't
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  Speaker 1: lament who we didn't get, or who we didn't trade for,
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  Speaker 1: or who we didn't sign. You can't let because because one,
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  Speaker 1: it's saying to everybody at locker room there were people
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  Speaker 1: better than you. Your focus is on those twenty six
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  Speaker 1: guys and whoever may be coming up from the minor leagues,
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  Speaker 1: and it starts in spring training that it's all about
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  Speaker 1: making them as good as it can be. Is it
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  Speaker 1: fair when things don't work out and the manager or
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  Speaker 1: the coaches get fired? Of course not, but nobody you
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  Speaker 1: didn't ever sign up for fairness, and that's why gms
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  Speaker 1: stay around longer. But you know, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: who's critiquing their critiquers And I tried to stay out
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  Speaker 1: of that. It was hard sometimes because you want to
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  Speaker 1: you know, what's the old expression, Bill Parcells, You want
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  Speaker 1: me to cook dinner, but you won't let me pick
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  Speaker 1: the groceries or help pick the grocery is And I
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  Speaker 1: think I think that's one of the reason why Detroit
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  Speaker 1: has been so successful. You can tell what a closer
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  Speaker 1: relationship AJ and their GM have and how much input
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  Speaker 1: their coaching staff has on player evaluations. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's really played out as these young players have started
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  Speaker 1: in the tour.
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  Speaker 5: Buck you go into your next managerial job, do you
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  Speaker 5: want a GM who says, Ah, you know what, we
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  Speaker 5: have all this stuff, We're building this for the next
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  Speaker 5: five years. Or are you more interested in a GM
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  Speaker 5: that says, you know what, we're pushing all our chips in.
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  Speaker 4: We want to win from day one on.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think both. I don't mean to skirt
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  Speaker 1: your question in the locker room. You're always going to
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  Speaker 1: be trying to win a baseball game. That's why people
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  Speaker 1: pay money to come watch you play, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: I would never apologize for trying to win every game.
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  Speaker 1: The difference is sometimes you will make a decision with
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  Speaker 1: a young player or somebody that's going through growing pains
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  Speaker 1: that may not put your best footfa That's why it's
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  Speaker 1: important to know where you are but you know, it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes these managers take a beating to get it to
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  Speaker 1: the end game, and then what do they do. They
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: go get another manager. But that's you know, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: trade it for the world.
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  Speaker 2: But I like the eye. I think you can do both.
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  Speaker 1: I know when I was coming up with the Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: we had two jobs as minor league managers. Developed players
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  Speaker 1: and win our league, not necessarily in that order, and
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  Speaker 1: teaching guys how to win baseball games was key to
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  Speaker 1: our player development. I remember one year we won six
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  Speaker 1: or seven leagues and the only year that Stemmeener gave
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  Speaker 1: out watches instead of rings.
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  Speaker 2: Killed me. But uh, I remember that was part of it.
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  Speaker 2: It was teaching, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I love how these farm directors go, oh, we're developing great,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: but we're not. We're in the last place in every league. Well,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: you're not developing if you're doing that. At some point
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: the things you're teaching and the things you're doing should
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: start showing up.
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  Speaker 2: In a game and on the scoreboard. I believe that.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: But one thing I don't agree with you on, Buck
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: is we brought you on here for your honesty, So
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: stop skirting questions. Okay, we need direct answers. No, none, no,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: No more skirting from you, all right, because that's not
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: your personality. I did ask you if you're gonna be
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: the next ormat manager of the Orioles of the Rockies,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: and you said no because I.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you my involvement is. Adam Jones asked me
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: if I would come introduce him for his Oriel Hall
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of Fame, and I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna do it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I haven't been back there since I left. I think
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it for Adam. That was That's a
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: big deal. That's a big deal.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna see Adam tonight. So I'm gonna ask him
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: why he didn't ask me to introduce him. But I
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe I'll get you out of it one
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: way or another, all right. So I gotta ask you.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: You mentioned the Rockies and what should they do? Will
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: you once walk very bonds at the bases loaded? That's
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: the kind of outside the box thing that people in
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: the Colorado need to do. So what did you think
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: of Ron Washington and Aaron Judge when he intentionally walked
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: him like in the first inning and then they were
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: kind of laughing about it. I mean, isn't that kind
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: of what the Rockies need?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, uh, pitching to Aaron Judge. You know,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: a long time ago. I remember Billy Martin. Remember what
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: was the guy with an afro Oscar gamble spring training
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and you know you tried to win every game. Billy Martin.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: The last inn, he said, take one, do we get
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the time? Run to the plate and uh, you get
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: get the you know, so Oscar hit the first pitch
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: for a home run. Billy was I rate and he said, Billy, Billy,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: hold on, when I'm in the battles box, I am
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: in scoring position. Now with that being said, you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: judges in scoring position when he steps in the box,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: so I can see it. You know, I don't know
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: it's there's you know, still, if you get the ball
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: in the right places and the right sequence, you can
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: get people out. But the Billy to repeat pitches, especially
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: with the deliveries that you're seeing today where everybody's just
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: chasing velocity and locations in a lot of cases, has
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: thrown out the window. I don't know if I would
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: trust some of the pitchers either to to execute that sequence.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking about age the sequence that you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: try to. It must be frustrating for you. You get a sequence,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you get everything going, and you know you got the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: guys set up for the right pitch and the guy
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: can't execute.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: It must drive you crazy.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: No doubt, buck. But here's my last question. It's got
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: to be quick. Mississippi State, You're alma mater, fired their coach,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: hired a new coach. One were you on the short
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: list to be their new head coach? And two? Were
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: you involved in the hiring of the new coach? Because
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: as soon as they got eliminated from the regional they
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: announced it like two minutes after So were you already
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Were you already on your way in there? Because they
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: did play in Tallahousee, which is close to where you live.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: No, it's not close to Dallas, I can tell you that,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: But you know what he No, Zach Selman and I
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: have talked about other things other than that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: But they made a good decision.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I like O'Connor and I think they're announcing today and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I hope the best for our program.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It's been tough.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: You know that both the guy they fired the guy
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they're bringing in and have won the College World Series
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: at some point in their career, so it's a special place.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: But I don't you.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Know, I know what I'm good at and what I'm
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: not at. Aj I have a lot of respect for things.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell the pilot how to land
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of playing college, coaching in the NIL and having to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: recruit your own players every year, I probably wouldn't be
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: good at kissing some sixteen year old kids. But so
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I understand what's going on. But you know, watching the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: regional sum I watched them, guys, where is the sportsmanship
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: going in our game?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It's hard to watch.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe some of the stuff that these coaches
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: allow these guys to do. And you see it in
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the little league, in a little league, real serious. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: don't know how did we lose that? How did we
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: lose respect for your your competition.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I don't get managers like you let let people get
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: away with the book. Managers like you, it's your.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Fault, well not me, but you know you got to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: pick yours.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: You know why, because you can't throw at anybody anymore,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: and you can't handle it on the field because you can't.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: That's where it starts. And everyone, let's make it game
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: fun until somebody gets offended and then it's not fun.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Then it's fight. So anyways, gotta go.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's funny.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You said that because I was thinking to day talking
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: with an old teammate that we used to have skirmishes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say fights in the minor leagues all
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the time. Nobody got suspended, nobody got but we policed
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: ourselves and there was a certain code, so to speak,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you know, when things weren't copesthetic. And I don't ever
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: remember anybody getting hurt getting suspended. You know, you you
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: took care of whatever issue you had with somebody, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: whether it was a slide, whether it was a collision,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: whether it was a little get together behind second base,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and there wasn't any wolf calls back then you want him,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: go get him. Okay, don't get your teammates involved in it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: There's no wolf calls on this team. I used to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: tell them, you guys want somebody, go get him. We
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: got your back with the rest of them. But make
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: sure it's just one on one and you take care
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: of business.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But buck good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But in college they say let the kids play or
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: they'll transfer.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But anyway, it was good to see you. I'll just
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: joke on the way out. Buck, you're the man. Thank
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you so much. We're tired against time. We'll have it
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: back soon. Okay, God bless you guys. Thank care.