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#703 - Busta Rhymes Breaks Down His New J Dilla Album, Dr. Dre, Ja Rule Beef & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We have got a special guest in here, a living legend,
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest of all time.
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  Speaker 3: Finally, Busta Rhymes is here.
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  Speaker 2: What's the good word, family?
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  Speaker 1: It was good.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is incredible right now, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, man, this new album, this Diligence 2,
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  Speaker 1: is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you, family.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy because back in the day, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, because you would always shine on J Dilla Beats,
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  Speaker 1: obviously your debut album, and even after he passed on
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  Speaker 1: The Shining. We always would kind of think about these
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  Speaker 1: dream albums, like Nas and Primo.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, finally we got that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: But the idea of you doing a full J Dilla album,
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  Speaker 1: I know it had been talked about because you have
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  Speaker 1: such a great relationship with.
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  Speaker 3: Ma Dukes and shit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For you to do it in 2026 and to do
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  Speaker 1: it and it deliver is a whole other thing, man.
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  Speaker 2: Good looking, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Like how important was that for you to kind of
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  Speaker 1: like make, it's important to us hip hop heads to
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  Speaker 1: have a Busta Rhymes J Dilla album. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: That's like, that's a lot of gravity, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, bro. I mean, it's always been important. for
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  Speaker 2: me to rep Dilla, because Dilla, I think Dilla probably,
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  Speaker 2: outside of Q-Tip, I think Dilla inspired me to do
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  Speaker 2: shit as an MC that no other producer has inspired
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  Speaker 2: me to, like, just approach things creatively in the way
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  Speaker 2: that he has. You know, so it's like, he evoked
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  Speaker 2: an emotion in me that made me fucking go places
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  Speaker 2: creatively that, I actually not only loved but enjoyed in
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  Speaker 2: the creative process in an incredible way. And I always
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  Speaker 2: got that specific feeling from his shit. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying? So it starts there. But then as we
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  Speaker 2: continued to work and grow the friendship, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: getting to see his process and being allowed to be
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  Speaker 2: close to it and just getting to learn and understand
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  Speaker 2: who he was as a person and just how great
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  Speaker 2: his energy was and the experience that I was able
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  Speaker 2: to have with him, whether it was pulling up to
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  Speaker 2: his crib to get music, whether it was him in
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  Speaker 2: the studio with us and soundtracks in New York, his
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: crib out here in LA when Common and him and
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  Speaker 2: Ma Dukes was in the crib because Common had brought
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  Speaker 2: Dilla out here to be closer to the specialists to
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  Speaker 2: deal with his treatments. just being able to just see
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  Speaker 2: the relationship that we was able to build through this
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  Speaker 2: music and the shit that we was constantly creating that
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  Speaker 2: just kept getting better than me. It was like, I
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  Speaker 2: just felt this responsibility. Like, I think we all feel
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  Speaker 2: a responsibility when you got certain people you build friendships
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  Speaker 2: with to uphold the integrity of that friendship. That's where
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  Speaker 2: the respect of the friendship is primarily coming from and
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  Speaker 2: that's what it's built on so that's what it was
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  Speaker 2: with me and him but then my dukes is such
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  Speaker 2: a loving soul man and the way she always was
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  Speaker 2: super supportive of our friendship and she made me feel
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  Speaker 2: like i was one of her children too you know
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  Speaker 2: what i'm saying and the whole yancey family like big
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  Speaker 2: super big up to illa j who got a project
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  Speaker 2: out right now it's He's another brilliant mind that I
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  Speaker 2: recently got to figure out how incredibly talented he is.
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  Speaker 2: And then big up to Dilla Children, you know, Jamiah
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  Speaker 2: and Ty Monet. All of them throughout the years, even
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  Speaker 2: without me actually getting to meet them in person, they
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  Speaker 2: all supported the shit that I was doing with Dilla.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously nothing that I did with Dilla was able to
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  Speaker 2: happen with me to share with the world if they
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  Speaker 2: didn't endorse it and bless it.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Of course. It's just the
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  Speaker 2: thing for me with repping Dilla was a primary responsibility
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  Speaker 2: and obligation just on a strength for the bro being
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  Speaker 2: one of the homies that I valued the relationship of
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  Speaker 2: and his creative brilliance. So that was that. And then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, including him in every album was a part
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  Speaker 2: of just me feeling like it was needed for my
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  Speaker 2: shit to be as dope as it could be.
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  Speaker 3: Because he's one of the greatest.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the greatest ever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But then to get this opportunity to do this album,
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  Speaker 2: it was really like, you know, by the grace of God,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like the timing of everything is such
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  Speaker 2: a divine alignment, man. And it's like, I know people
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  Speaker 2: probably are hearing me speak on this a lot during
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  Speaker 2: this campaign of promoting this Diligence 2 album, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't look at it as a coincidence as towards why
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  Speaker 2: this was the timeframe because Dilla's mom's, And I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to get to why. Like Dilla Moms hit me in
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  Speaker 2: November last year as I was pretty much at the 95%
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  Speaker 2: mark of completing a different album. Okay. And when we
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  Speaker 2: got on the phone, she was letting me know that
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  Speaker 2: it was the 20-year anniversary of Dilla's transition. And she
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  Speaker 2: was trying to plan something, and she wanted to make
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  Speaker 2: it eventful and wanted to make me a part of it. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they do the Dilla Day and Dilla Month
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  Speaker 2: every year annually since he passed, but I actually never...
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  Speaker 2: had the fortune of being a part of that. Because
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  Speaker 2: you know, the timing traditionally, as you know on the
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  Speaker 2: industry side, when Christmas come, by the second week of December,
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  Speaker 2: the whole industry's done. Right? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Done.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Good luck for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fact.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that. Then you know everybody's pretty much getting
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: back to the office probably like by the end of
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: the second week third week january january but then as
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: soon as you get to february it's super bowl it's
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: all-star weekend it's black history month it's just madness and
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  Speaker 2: it's like you know as the january month is slow
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  Speaker 2: anybody trying to get back to it because we done
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  Speaker 2: exhausted and burnt the hole in our pocket trying to
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  Speaker 2: be santa claus for the family a hundred percent you
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  Speaker 2: know i'm saying so because of that schedule and that
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  Speaker 2: time and For the last 20 years, I never was
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  Speaker 2: able to make it to the Dilla Day Dilla Month celebrations.
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  Speaker 2: And I just felt like, what would be the best
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  Speaker 2: way to honor Dilla during the 20 year anniversary? And
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking of an album. I was just trying
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  Speaker 2: to find what was the most incredible song that I
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  Speaker 2: could make, which was what I knew how to do best, traditionally,
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  Speaker 2: by including them on pretty much all of the albums.
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  Speaker 2: As I'm bringing in the ears that I respect the
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  Speaker 2: opinions of to pull up to the studio to hear
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  Speaker 2: the joints so that we could choose the one, everybody
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  Speaker 2: started to really refer to the five, six joints that
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  Speaker 2: I was playing to choose the one from as a project.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yo, this project is dope.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, this Dilla's crazy work. So it just organically turned
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  Speaker 2: into that because there was never like a one song
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  Speaker 2: that everybody felt like You could put everything else aside
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  Speaker 2: for this. It was like everything everybody heard was loved
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  Speaker 2: on a general consensus level. And then I couldn't put
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  Speaker 2: nothing down because I couldn't make up my mind. So
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  Speaker 2: I just was like, let me keep recording to see
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  Speaker 2: if I make that one. And by the time I
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  Speaker 2: got to like nine songs, we was already in album place.
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  Speaker 1: And also like you're able to be you. And this
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  Speaker 1: is what I've always loved about you, Buss, is like,
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  Speaker 1: You walked a thin line of being the underground boom bat, bruh,
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  Speaker 1: but also being Busta Rhymes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, bro. The superstar. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you're the only guy who could say I
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  Speaker 1: did Big Bang with Dr. Dre and I got a
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  Speaker 1: whole album with J Dilla.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then you bring Lil Wayne onto a Dilla beat.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: You bring Ludacris onto a Dilla beat.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Like, it's just like, it's kind of like some like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hip-hop fantasy football.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, for real. Nah, I ain't gonna front, man. It's
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  Speaker 2: an incredibly blessed place to be in, and I can't front.
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  Speaker 2: I got inspired by a lot of that from Q-Tip
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  Speaker 2: and Tribe. You know what I'm saying? Because I felt
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  Speaker 2: like they was that. You know, like Q-Tip would do
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: joints with Janet, and then would do the ill... Jungle
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Brothers joints, and then the De La joints. And De
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  Speaker 2: La did that too. Like De La would be able
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  Speaker 2: to rock with the gutter, but then they would be
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: wilding out with gorillas. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Like you got the Czar face joint out right now.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like you're always, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like anybody who's dope on the come up, like always
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  Speaker 1: for the most part you come through for.
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  Speaker 2: No question.
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  Speaker 1: Early Conway, early Griselda shit, you on that shit.
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  Speaker 2: No question. No question. And they inspire me though. Like
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  Speaker 2: when I hear they shit, I actually be wanting to
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  Speaker 2: hear myself on they shit. So a lot of the times,
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  Speaker 2: I'll actually reach out to them before they reach out
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  Speaker 2: to me. You know i'm saying and that's how the
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  Speaker 2: grizelda shits happened that's how the the shits that i
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: did with conway and and west side gun in particular
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: that's this even the shit was our face like you
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  Speaker 2: know me and and and and and tom.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: The hardy sorts yeah No, we can't. You mean Frankie Pulitzer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Excuse me. Yes. Me and Frankie. Frankie. Me and Frankie. Yeah.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: You know, when I learned that he really get busy. Busy.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: Like super busy.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Yo, I was wilded because, you know, when Tom was
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: in New York doing the Venom movie and we got connected.
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  Speaker 2: Through me being able to have the opportunity to come
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  Speaker 2: on the set to see him do some of the
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  Speaker 2: final scenes to the Venom movie before it wrapped.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We super clicked. And then in the process of just
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  Speaker 2: building about acting shit and different things of that nature,
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  Speaker 2: he incorporated me in the campaign for the Venom movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And we did the dope ass commercial together. And believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, that's when I met Frank Pulitzer for
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  Speaker 2: the first time because we shot that Remember, the commercial
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  Speaker 2: was done in a studio. So we booked another room.
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  Speaker 2: And then Frank Pulitzer came out, this motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: You were like, yo, who is this guy?
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck going on, bro? I was bugging.
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  Speaker 4: Word.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck is happening? Nah, that shit bugged me
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: out crazy. And, you know, again, whatever inspires me to
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: want to get busy, I'm going to step to it
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: because that's what I love to do, first and foremost, man.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the interview for sure. I have
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  Speaker 1: to give you some props because two of my most
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  Speaker 1: played songs of the last five years, I know a,
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  Speaker 1: honorable minister minister farrakhan speech by heart oh man thank
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  Speaker 1: you because that fucking ele2 joint his build build up
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  Speaker 1: into you rapping on the title track yeah it's like
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  Speaker 1: the best workout when he says and if and if
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  Speaker 1: it pleases my god did you kill me if.
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  Speaker 5: So all of you gonna die what i said Illest
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  Speaker 5: shit ever.
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  Speaker 2: Illest shit ever.
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  Speaker 3: And then the czar shit with fucking M.O.P.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you some random nerdy shit. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember. So there's been two specific features
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  Speaker 1: that you had on your albums that just got me
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: super excited. E.L.E.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that you were able to.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: As a kid delivered to us fans a Mystical Busta
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  Speaker 1: Rhymes collab.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like you guys had so much synergy energy-wise.
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  Speaker 1: Was that the idea behind being like, yo, this guy
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: from No Limit, he's crazy. We got to figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mystical to me is one of my favorite artists, period.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even explain how many different joints... and times
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  Speaker 2: that I've seen him from recording, from how he records
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: to what he's recorded to seeing him on stage, he
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: always was fucking incredible and amazing to me. And he
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: always reminded me and gave me that James Brown feeling.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? The crazy shit, though, is
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: when I finally was able to connect with him to
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: get the opportunity to do Is He Wildin' With Us
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: or Gettin' Rowdy With Us on the first Extinction Level
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: event album. I went to New Orleans to the No
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Limit Studios and I'm in there with different producers from
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Beats by the Pound and me and Mystical, we recorded
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: both of them songs in their studio out there. I
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: did mine for ELE too and I did one for
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: him and That's when me and him really super locked
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: in and clicked. It's so crazy because I actually got
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: other joints with Mystical just sitting in a hard drive.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like if you guys did like a 1999 collab,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: like if the mixtape era was alive then, you guys like,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: by the way, we just go throw this out here
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, but I got joints that we did way after
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: ELE too. That's way more like recent joints before, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things started to go. But I can honestly say, I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: could drop any one of them records at any given
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: point and fuck the place up on some different shit.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I hope you know everything.
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  Speaker 1: Plays out properly. You have been a part of some
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: of the best, I guess, posse cuts ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, Victory, the Scenario remix.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to consider Victory a posse cut, though.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't rhyme on it.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't rhyme on it. And it was just Biggie
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  Speaker 3: and Puff. But it was cinematic.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: And then you in the video perched up on the
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  Speaker 1: building and shit.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like the black crow and shit.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that shit was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, for sure, bro. Thank you, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Flavin, you hear Remix. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Scenario, Scenario Remix.
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  Speaker 1: Scenario Remix. I mean, that's the one, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, what, uh, which one, like, I guess, do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like one, I feel like the art of the
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: posse cuts kind of gone away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of feel the same way too. It's
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: unfortunate because I don't think the art of it went away.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I think the, the, the, the unfortunate conditioning of the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: attention span with the way things have evolved, you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: radio ain't really allowing a posse cut or a click
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: record to get burned. Because they ain't allowing that song
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: length time to play out anymore.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and also, I feel like the camaraderie's gone away
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: a little bit. Everybody kind of just on their own shit.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that, too. But when you
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: get these remixes from motherfuckers, the camaraderie is there if
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the record is a banger. Right. You know what I'm saying?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: You ain't got no problem finding a motherfucker to spit
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: on your shit when it's a banger. Right. That's when
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: everybody pulling up. Right. And they soliciting their own shit.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You ain't even got to call a motherfucker. Right, right, right, right.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: So I don't think the camaraderie isn't there. I think
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: it's just, you know, motherfuckers ain't committing to shit that
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: they don't feel. They're going to be able to get
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: their shit. They're not going to get their shine if
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: they're going crazy and they're getting their shit off. So
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you put all of this work into your shit. this
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: verse you know you respectfully competing with other dope MCs
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and you know motherfuckers is gonna get busy when they
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: know who's on the joint. But your verse ain't first
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: or second, The DJ cutting that off. Oh, for sure,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: for sure. If it ain't the verse that's going to
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: have the moment that's going to be the highlight moment
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: for TikTok, ain't nobody else shit getting heard.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always tell that to artists. I'm like, whoever's
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: got the third verse on any record.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: It's a rap.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: In terms of mix show, it's getting mixed out of.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It's a fact.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Especially in the club. Unless the DJ got to go
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: take a shit in the middle of that record.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: There's like them three or four records that are like six,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: like pop that French Montana, that's five minutes. You be like,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: all right, I got to take a piss. We're going
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to pop that and I'll be right back.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Nah, it's real though. It's like, that's the thing that
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I think it is primarily as far as why motherfuckers
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: ain't really going as hard as they used to when
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: it comes to the click records. You know what I'm saying?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But overall, like I said, you got a banger. You
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: ain't going to have no problem finding motherfuckers to pull
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: up with. endless verses and endless whatever adjustments that need
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: to be made so that they verse and they slot
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: on the joint is secured.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Also, I want to shout out Worldwide Chopper as you
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: did with Tech N9ne.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolute. Big up, big up, big up Tech.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stupid.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I think it just went platinum.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, matter of fact, I do got a plaque. Big
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: up to Tech. I got to make sure I got
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the latest certification plaque though.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You guys, I always say there's like three names when
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: people say who are the greatest performers of all time.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I always say it's you, It's tech nine and. I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's the greatest of all time, but
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I saw one Wyclef Jean concert.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Now, Wyclef is insane.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And it was fucking bonkers.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Nah, he's madness.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Son was doing everything.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: He is doing everything.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: It was crazy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Singing, rhyming, guitar playing, gymnastics on the fucking.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, yo, Wyclef, he's just different, dog.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Fucking a whole type of anonymity.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Talk to me about the importance of Spliff, because I
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: feel like.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Spliff is the it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Spliff is like the kind of guy who, at the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: end of the day, like... There is such an art
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: form to him and you. It's a, it's like fucking
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Shaq and Kobe dog. Like, and he's always, it's like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: could you imagine even doing like a show without him?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I've had to do shows without Spliff.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And what is the, the, the non Spliff star energy?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Cause I feel like he brings so much and you
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: guys have your, like, it's just bro.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It's, it's crazy.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, Like I
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: said initially, spliff is it. There is no other thing
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: outside of spliff. Period. I'ma always be able to perform
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: because I'm busting rhymes. But the experience with spliff, that's
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: not something that's replicatable. You can't replicate that. You can't
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: find another spliff. You can't replace spliff. And spliff is
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: a significant addition to the whole Busta Rhymes experience because
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the experience isn't the same without Spliff, even though I've
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: had to perform without Spliff a few times. It's really
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: not even the same fulfilling feeling because of what we do,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: even on impulse. There's shit that we do just because
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: we understand what the music is gonna do. So even
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: without rehearsing, we'll do shit that We know we could
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: do at certain points of the music because we know
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: what the music is going to do that's going to
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: allow us to look like synchronization on fucking 6G levels.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? So it's really like a
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: blessing to have my bro. And besides the music, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I've known Spliff since single digit age.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I'm about to say it's just got to be good
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: to have somebody you've known that long. You know what
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I'm saying?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Scratch it till my DJ is the same. Spliff and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Scratch lived on the same block. I had family that
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: lived on their block that my moms or my, my
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: father would let me spend weekends with that were cousins.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And that's how I got around split from scratch. It's
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: on my DJ. So we literally are family. Like this
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: ain't no team player shit because team players get traded.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Like this is really family is forever shit.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So we were talking a little bit earlier, like you
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: are probably the only artist. There's probably a few that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking of, but I can't think of somebody
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: whose fingerprints are on in so many different parts of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: this hip hop world. You know, we talk about the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: early 90s, the native tongue shit, the underground shit, your
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: solo shit, the bad boy shit, the Aftermath run, this
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Dilla album. Big Bang is, I think, a lot of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: people that might, it's one of my favorite albums of yours.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Mine's too.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Production-wise, it's so out of this world.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: That was like a really cool era, the Aftermath era
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of the Busta Rhymes story. Um, can you just kind
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of speak to working with Dre and then like, kind
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: of like, because you have like the, you know, you, you,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you've had the privilege to work with Dre and Jay,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and Jay Dilla.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Two of the goats.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And by the way, a ton of other legendary producers.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: But just like, what is that dynamic?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Like being signed to Aftermath during that period, there's a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: lot going on.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Um, and you deliver this fucking incredible body of work
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that some people would be considered to be your best
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: body of work.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Um, How do you reflect on that era, man?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: It was difficult for me in a certain way because
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of that experience was new for me. But
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it can't compare to how much the good outweighed the challenges.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And Because it felt like the album got delayed a
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: little bit, if I remember. It was like the Big
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Bang Theory, and then it was the Big Bang.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was always the Big Bang. People did attach
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the Big Bang Theory part to it on their own,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: because I guess just the mystique around the whole coming
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: together of the project, and when was it coming, or
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: if it ever was going to come. Because we also
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: heard the stories about Rakim being over there, and that
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: project didn't come, and then LL Cool J actually was
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: doing some shit with Dre, and then But the thing
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: about it for me, I'm a determined motherfucker. So it's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like when I start something, I got to finish it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I got to see it all the way through. But
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: when you in somebody else's house, like, you know, aftermath
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: is Dre's house. You know what I'm saying? So even
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: though we did the partnership and he honored my legacy,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because obviously I've I had accomplished something so amazing by
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the time I got to Aftermath.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're one of the biggest stars in rap.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But the thing was that was interesting was I understood
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that there was new things that I wanted to accomplish
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: at that point. There was new things that I wanted
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: to experience. There was new bars that I set for
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: myself that I felt like I needed to reach. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I was having an interesting conversation with Dre And I
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: was saying to Dre as I was walking around the stool,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm seeing pretty much every plaque was five million
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: records sold and better. Doggystyle, five million records sold and better.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Chronic One, five million records sold and better. 2001, five
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: million records sold and better. Fucking Game, five million records.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: 50.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: 50.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Eminem.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Everything was five million records sold and better. And I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: had my multiple Platinums for every album, but I've never
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: done that. So I'm having this conversation with Dre, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Dre was like, you know, the magic, it can happen.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You just got to check your ego at the door.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So I know you're used to doing it the way
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: you've done it, and I know that you've accomplished incredible
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: shit before you got here, but you got to be
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: willing to go and do new shit that you're not
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: accustomed to if you want new results. Doing it the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: same way and expecting new results is insanity, boss. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that conversation resonated incredibly with me. And first thing that
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: was the challenge, though, was not being able to control
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the timeline of when I wanted to complete my shit.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: As much as I felt like I was done and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: everything that I could.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Do and give to this shit was given.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Drained. wasn't at that place where he felt like he
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: had given everything that he could give and that he
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: wanted to give and that he felt he needed to
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: give and that was torturing for me so you know
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: it wasn't just that it was also the laid low
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: during the process of finishing the album meaning don't do
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: no shows don't run around and be outside as often
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: transformate yourself. You got to motherfucking show motherfuckers the new you.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: What is the new you? You got to decide what
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the new you is.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that was like the first time that you dropped
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: an album and your hair was cut.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the first time I actually went in
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the gym and got on some muscle shit, too.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, let me be clear.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I do frankly remember buying a DVD of one of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the worst movies of all time with you and Exhibit
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, what was the name of that film, yo?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, it wasn't good.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Fuck. What was the name of that movie? I had
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it on DVD.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I always give Exhibit shit.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: He always laughs heavily.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: He's like, it was bad.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: What was the name of that movie?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you were jacked as fuck.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I wasn't jacked.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: No, but you started to get... I remember there was
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a point in time where I was like, Busta Rhymes
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: is fucking yoked.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did three physical transformations.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Were you doing like the wrestler shit?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Nah, nah. Full clip. Full clip.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Nah, I was actually.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: The first transformation was to just figure out the reinvention. Right.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And I cut my hair
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: after I was pretty much victorious in a back and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: forth custody battle for 10 years with the mother of
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: three of my kids. Man. Out of the six beautiful
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: children that I have. So the cutting of the hair
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: was a shedding, but it was the perfect time to
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: do it because while it took three years to record
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the Big Bang album, Two of those three years, I
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: was just super diligently focused on fitness and wellness. And
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that helped me deal with the frustrations of not being
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: on the road and laying low and making sure that
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: when motherfuckers seen me, the mystique and the transformation and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: me shedding from the fucking custody shit and being victorious
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: in that space.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It was like, all right. You got on the other side.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, that is, for men who know, that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: is a serious... thing to get on the other side.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: All of that shit, dealing with all of that, while
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you gotta wait and be patient and not know when
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to put this fucking album out.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: It was rough. But the thing that was the most
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: incredible part of that whole process was I needed to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: get all of that shit wrapped up before the album came.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: To not to have that shit going on once.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: We put it... Like floating over your head while you're
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: running around promoting your album?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't have been good of that. That would have
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: fucked up a lot. So it was really dope that
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: it happened in the way that it did And I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: can honestly say that whole experience taught me patience in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a new way. And it also taught me about how
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: valuable patience can be because you give yourself the opportunity
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to actually push yourself to the point where you've never
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: pushed yourself because you know being that you feel like
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you're done with something, you settle for a lot of
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: shit that you don't normally settle for when you do
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: have and can afford to be patient. You know what
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? And Dre would always say this one thing. Hey, yo,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: let's try it this way. Let's try it that way.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And then as soon as you get frustrated after the 50th,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: let's try. That motherfucker Dre would be like, I mean,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: fuck it then. If you don't want to do it,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you could always, you know, Just settle for the shit
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that you got.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Say it this way. No, all right, try it. I've
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: heard it a lot.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: A whole lot of that. But the dope shit is,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the dope shit is, a lot of the times, he
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: takes you places that you would never think of going
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: on your own, which brings out this incredible side of
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: yourself that you didn't know existed. Right. You feel what
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? And then that ill shit about it, too,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is that it's like this reverse psychology where he fucks
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you up with this shit all the time. All right, cool.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You know. You don't got to do it. You can
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: sell yourself short, but that's going to be on you.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And then he'll have you sitting there with the guilt
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: conscious like, fuck. I just possibly fucked myself up out
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of making some of the most amazing shit because I
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: just felt like I was getting frustrated and I didn't
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: want to do another take.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: All right, man. Shout out to our family at Cal Sheet.
• 30:50
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• 31:03
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• 31:07
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• 31:10
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  Speaker 1: the bio. Let's get back to the podcast. It's funny, too,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: because obviously you have so many classic moments with, like, Aftermath,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: obviously being on Game's debut album, working with Em. There's, like,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: this period in time, and this is while you're on Aftermath, like,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: peak mixtape era is going on.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: So this is, like, the G-Unit radio era.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Eminem's in his mixtape bag.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: You kind of get dragged into the Ja Rule thing,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and you had an amazing verse on the Hail Mary freestyle.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you, brother.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That had to be like a weird energy, because I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: feel like Ja, at a certain point in time, was
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: pretty friendly with everybody in New York, but there was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a real war going on, and your team aftermath, but
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you're also Busta Rhymes from New York City. Was it
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: something that Ja said in an interview or some shit?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Because you had referred to like, yo, keep my motherfucking
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: name out your mouth.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, what it was was, first of all, Ja
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: was a friend of mine. Right. At least I consider
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Ja a friend of mine. And Ja was also, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: even before the Aftermath component, because when that happened, I wasn't...
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Choosing up. I don't think I was on Aftermath yet.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I got to Aftermath... In 2003, and I think that
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: shit happened before 2003. Maybe, yeah. Because 50 came in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: already off the mixtape shit.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was you, Emin, and 50.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: It was Emin first. Yeah. But then Ja put out
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a record, and he dissed everybody. Well, he dissed a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: lot of us on Violator Management.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: RIP to Chris Lighty.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, rest in peace to Chris, man. My only manager
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that I've ever had. until he passed.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Great guy.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And Big Up the Monas got young because she was
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: a part of that journey with Chris.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Violator the album was crazy too.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But Ja was on Violator at one time.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So he was a part of the Violator family. And
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: he left. And when 50 got over there, I think
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Ja just felt like he needed to go at Violator.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And whoever was aligned with 50. So he said something
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: about me And my truck had got shot up. My
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: truck had got shot up during the beef with Ja
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and Fifth and Jimmy Henchman and Fifth.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all that. Yeah, there was a lot.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And my truck got shot up. I think it
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: was mistaken for being, you know, Fifth's truck. I don't
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: know anything as far as. What really led to.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Were you in the... You weren't in the truck?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I wasn't in the truck. I was
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: actually in a meeting in the valley, the officers.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: But I don't... When I came downstairs and I hit
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the remote for the truck to unlock, the chirp wasn't sounding.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So I had to use the key to open the door,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: which was weird. So I opened the door and that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: when I seen the bullet holes inside the truck and
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a couple of, you know, bullet shit on the floor
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: inside the interior of the V. And then... you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: police came, they took the truck, and I didn't see
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the truck again. So the thing that led to Ja
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: speaking on that, I didn't know what led to that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't know we had an issue. We
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: actually didn't have an issue. And I was trying to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: actually figure out what was the problem for a while. Like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I had reached out to people to speak
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: to Ja. I mean, Ja actually got on the phone
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And we didn't get to actually get to the bottom
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: of what caused it on that conversation. And then for
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: some time, we didn't get to speak after that. And
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: when it started to seem like we wasn't resolving it
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: off the record, that's when I decided to respond on
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the record. You know what I'm saying?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Crazy verse.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it was fun. It was fun. But
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you know, that's where we come from.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: We battle.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: You know, that's a part of the cultural aesthetic. That's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: what I was raised on. And, you know, me and
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Ja cool now. We super good. That's good, man. Everything
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is good. Blessings to him and his family. And, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: we actually got a dope show coming up with Cassidy.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And we did this. I think this is our second
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: show with Cassidy. You know them dope shows that Cassidy
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: be doing it. Shout out to DJ Cassidy. Big shout
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: out to DJ Cassidy.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Is it past the mic or something?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Past the mic. It's coming up on October 11th.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: I got to say, one of the best shows of
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: the last decade was you and 50 on tour.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Fifth shit. That tour.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: That shit was crazy, bro.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Fifth probably, this is the second time me and Fifth toured.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Me and Fifth toured for the first time in 2003
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: when we did Rock the Mic tour.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Rock the Mic with Jay-Z.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with Jay-Z.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I went to that, too. That was a crazy-ass show.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nah. Fifth was always... I must say, what he
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: has evolved into now as a showman, he's a dangerous
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: motherfucker now. You know what I'm saying? And the experience
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of being on that tour with him was incredible, because obviously,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: we all competing and shit, and we getting on that
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: stage every night, and we talking shit to each other.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: We having a incredible energy backstage.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: No i've seen some of the backstage footage you guys
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: clowning around it was.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It felt like family for real and the whole volley
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the energy and you know just me and fifth always
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: having a respect level from the day one like that's
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: that's bro i'm super super excited and proud of everything
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that he's doing because he's really evolved in a tremendous
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: way and the motherfucker could still get busy i wish.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: His I want him to get the itch again.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Me too. Put a fucking album out, Phipps. Stop fucking playing, man.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I always wondered, because one of my favorite records on
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Anarchy was the Why We Die record with Hov and X.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Rest in peace, dog. Rest in peace to the dog, man.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: So when you hear the Jay-Z line about if I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: was animated like Sam Buster Rhymes, what is your initial
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: emotion hearing it? Because I feel like There's two rappers that,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, are two of the greatest of all time.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes, like, don't get in those conversations
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like they should be. It's you and Ludacris.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Because I think Ludacris is fucking.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: One of them ones.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: You are one of them ones.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you, bro.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So when you hear that line, how do you kind
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: of feel at that time?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: At that time, I was a little confused. And... I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: didn't know, because Jay-Z is brilliant in that way, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: he's super clever in that way. It's like he will
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: say shit that will have multiple entendres.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Right, you'd be like, hmm.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you can misinterpret shit.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: He says some shit about common, too. Like, I've been
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: rhyming like common sense. I've been rhyming like common sense.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. And yeah, that could be.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: That could be interpreted different ways.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's he's masterful lyrically on so many levels
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that it's like sometimes it takes a second for things
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to register because the wittiness is impeccable with bro and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and I think at the time initially I was definitely
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a little confused about what he meant but You know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: as time passed, I understood it meant, from a literal standpoint,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: he's not as animated as me when it comes to
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: doing the performing thing, or just even how I am
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: as a person. You know, a lot of motherfuckers ain't
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: as animated as me. I'm in conversations.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: And even as, by the way, even as a creative.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even outside of the creative, though, right? When I'm
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: having conversations, I'm passionate when I speak. So sometimes I
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: get into this whole shit with my hands and my
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: facial expressions. And, you know, it's a real thing that
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of motherfuckers ain't animated like me in that
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: sense from a literal standpoint. So creatively and personally, you know,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I got it and I understood it. And, you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I respected it because it also was a big up.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like I can't do that Busta Rhymes shit.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Like I can't do what he does.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That's just not me. I'm not animated like that. So,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't do that. You know what I mean?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: It's always, you misinterpret it. You might lose the value
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: in the actual compliment because, you know. Yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You have one of these verses that like, for whatever reason,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: just broke a lot of like the younger generation's minds.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And that is the look at me now verse.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like, again, we're talking about you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: on a song. with Chris Brown. This is the same
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: guy who has a new album with Dilla out, who
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: was running with Native Tongues, and he was in a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: new school, and is on the low-end theory. All these
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: years later, you catch another moment with Chris Brown, and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: this verse that is like, for the first time, people
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: are like, wait, people could, was this, is this real?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Can you just speak to that verse? Because I feel
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like that verse is like one of those things that like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: when you perform it, people are like, it's just one
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of them ones, bro.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: And it definitely probably brought a bunch of new fans
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: All the time. But that's happened for me periodically throughout
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: my career.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I feel like every few years there's a
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: new bus to shoot where people are like.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a moment that I'm able to align
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: myself with.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Like, damn, you got killed too early in Halloween.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: But fortunately, I ain't never did that. I fucked around
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and survived that shit. But yeah, it's like, When a
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: motherfucker get those moments, man, and you get blessed with
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to not only be aligned with a moment
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: that can reintroduce you to the next generation of motherfuckers,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: but to get it like five, six times, like it
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: first happened with Scenario, then it shit happened with Flavor
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: In Your Head, then it shit happened with All I
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Do Is Win remix, then the shit happened with.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Don't forget the Annie Up remix. Annie Up remix. It's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: so many of these moments that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Don't forget the Pussycat Dolls.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So, you know, and I wasn't even counting that. I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: was just counting the rap shit.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Right, right, right, right.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: But yes, that's included.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: But that's another rap where you're like, this motherfucker's on
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a Pussycat Doll. Their biggest song.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Two diamond joints. That was my first diamond record and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: then Look At Me Now recently went diamond last year. Crazy. Yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: so it's like it's incredible to be able to to
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: have those moments. And it's even more incredible to know
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: that after all of these years, that shit is still
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: a thing that people feel like they got a power.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I started calling that the viral infinity moment record, or verse,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: because even after all of these years, and I do
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: attribute and credit Angie Martinez with creating the biggest first
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: viral moment with this. I think she invented the challenge
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: with that shit.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Shout out to her. She was
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the first.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Big shout to Angie Martinez. But it's like, That record, man,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: and that moment definitely was a special one, for sure.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's definitely one of those ones. You already
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  Speaker 1: with right here on the Blue Lake Head podcast. Can
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you give me, because I feel like you've been on
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: this run talking a lot about Dilla, and by the way,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the Dilla album is incredible.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Ma Dukes is on it throughout it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: One of my favorites was Royalty, where you were like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I love you, like I love my kids, and you
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: start mentioning your kids.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: And she's beautiful. Yeah, thank you, thank you. And two
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: of my kids is on it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Seeing Trillian.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a few artists that we don't
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: talk about enough, and I think Phife Dawg is one
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of them. He's not with us anymore.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Rest in peace. Rest in peace to the five-foot assassin, a.k.a.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: my brother Phife Dawg. And he's celebrating 30 years of
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Beach Rhymes and Life this year, too. I think, is
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: it Beach Rhymes and Life or is it Love Movement?
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Love Movement was 96, so it's probably.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: This is 30 years. No, no, Love Movement might have
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: been 98.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: You sure? Okay, so then.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I think Beat Rhymes and Life was 96.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: It's got to be Beat Rhymes and Life. Yeah, it
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: was Beat Rhymes and Life.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they celebrating a 30-year and a 35-year with Low
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: End Theory this year that I'm celebrating with them. So
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: that Phife Dawg, lyrically, is what really was the driving
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: force of Tribe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Phife was the gully one
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: in Tribe. Yeah. Phyfe motivated the shit out of Tip.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Tip was really just into the beats. Phyfe kind of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: forced his hand to get on his rap shit. Got
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the Tip, man. Bird. You know Tip is- These guys
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: are genius.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: These guys are like superheroes, man.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: That's the East Coast Dre.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Like, for real, though. Yeah. I think people don't understand.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: So many of us came through Q-Tip. Like, he was
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the conduit to a lot of our greatness on the
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: East Coast, yo.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: 100%, man.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: So, big up to my brother, Kamal Fareed, a.k.a. The Abstract.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: AKA Mr. Q-Tip. And, you know, had to big up
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the whole tribe, too, because Ali Shahid was sick with
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the production as well. Jerobe was sick with the motherfucking everything.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: He was like the everything to the family. And he's
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: spitting out, too. Like, Jerobe got some shit coming soon.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Y'all stay tuned for that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: The big bro got some shit. You obviously, you've been
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: affiliated with a lot of people over the years. You
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: have Flip Mode Records. Shout out to Rod Diggins. Shout
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: out to Rampage.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: My boy Rampage.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Baby Sham, Spliff. Yep, yep.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Word. Conglomerates, shout out to our boy O.T. out here
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in Long Beach.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: O.T., absolutely.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Prayer.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, O.T.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. J.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Doe. You know, Trillian. B.K. Gutter is another artist that
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I got under the conglomerate.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that O.T. Genesis, like Coco's
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a conglomerate record, right?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Right? That's a big fucking record.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: All of the records. Yeah. Cut It. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I Look Like Bae.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I Look Like Bae.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Fucking....
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: He got joints, dog. Especially over here.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nah. OT is one of the most incredibly talented
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: MCs that I've ever fucked with, period.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And he's never dropped an album.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: And it ain't even just about a West Coast MC.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: He needs to drop an album.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: He don't want to.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: He just wants to do singles. He just has moments.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Like every year. The thing about OT is all of
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: his mixtapes were albums.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Fair, fair, fair, fair.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: He just didn't want to call them shit albums. But
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: there wasn't nothing about those projects... where he was rhyming
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: over somebody else's beat that came out of any of that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: His whole mixtapes were all original music. Real records, though.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder, was there ever a situation that you almost
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: did that, you know, because I feel like I could
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: see a guy like Puff trying to sign you, or
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I could see, you know, obviously you ended up with Aftermath.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Was there another situation that almost happened where you were
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: considering a different label situation when you were able to
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: make a move?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I was entertaining the Cash Money thing for a second. Really?
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I think I put out like a single through that situation.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: By the way, the Mac-10 Cash Money album is crazy.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: The hate in your eyes is crazy. So you were
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: considering signing with Baby and Slim? Yeah. You did a single? Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to do a project over there.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And we did the partnership. Because everywhere I go, I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: got to bring my own label and put my shit
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: out through myself. And then we could divvy up the
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: pride the way we negotiate divvying it up based on
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: what the contribution is going to be. But that situation
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: wasn't really moving the way that I needed to move
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: at that point in time in my career. And I
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: just felt like I needed to continue on my journey
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: in a way where good, bad, or indifferent, if I
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: got to fall on my sword, I don't have a
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: situation where I got to point a finger. You know
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Yeah. And I just felt like it
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: just as a man and as a business and with
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: my experience at that point in my life and my career,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that's how I needed to move.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: There's an art form to being able to do these
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: R & B records. I feel like Biggie was great
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Fab is great at it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: And you, I mean, I'm obviously forgetting other people. Wale
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: is really good at it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Super dope.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: But you are like, you have like these, you know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: the Janet stuff, the Mariah stuff, like And then obviously.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Was it the Janet thing you brought back on ELE2?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Or was it the Mariah one?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Mariah, I did a different one.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: A different one with Mariah on ELE2, yeah.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And Rick Rock produced that as well.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: For you, man, like, it's like, and I mean, dude,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: you've even done shit with like Ozzy Osbourne on ELE. Like,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: have you ever thought about doing like a whole R & B,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: like smooth buster album?
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Nah, because I just do the shit that I think...
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: inspires me to do what that is at the moment.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I never really felt or thought about doing a whole
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: R & B field album with bars the way I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: do it because I don't know if I'm inspired or
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I have not been made to be inspired.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: You got to be inspired to do it. Yeah, I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: got to be made to go all the way with that.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Obviously, you do this video with Janet Jackson.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And it is one of those iconic 90s videos that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: we all remember on TRL and shit.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Do you got to convince her to get into the
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: crazy silver shit?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like that is very much a Busta
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Rhymes creative product. You know what I'm saying?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got to keep in mind, though, we
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: are the products of the shit that she was doing
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: with her brother, Michael Jackson.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, at that time, you were in your...
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: This is like peak music video Busta, right? It's like
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you and Missy had them shits going crazy.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But so was Janet, though. And she wanted to
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: do that record. She was asked if she ever worked
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: with a rapper or what rapper has she never worked
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: with that she wanted to rap.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: You guys had like the Terminator thing kind of going.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Terminator 2 was the theme of the whole concept. Yeah,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: it was crazy. But she was doing a velvet rope
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: tour at that time. And she was in New York
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: getting ready to do the date at the Garden. Angie
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Martinez asked her that at the interview when she pulled
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: up at I-97 when Angie was there at the time.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: And her answer was she wanted to work with Busta Rhymes.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: So I knew at that moment, even though I didn't
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: have no song for her, I'm going to tell her
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: that I got a song. I'm going to figure this
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: shit out later. You know what I'm saying? But the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: dope shit about it was we figured it out. And
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: what was even more dope was how willing she was
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: to go off the deep end with the creative the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: way I am accustomed to doing it. Because she definitely
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: was very clear on making sure I understood that she
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: was a fan of the way I do my shit.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: That's fire.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Word.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Big up to Janet. I love you so much.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: That's why I respected the rollout to ELE too. Because
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I remember you were explaining in the studio and you
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: were like, the visuals were outstanding. As it... That was such...
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: By the way, that was one of the best albums
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: of 2020.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, my brother.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: It was so good. No skips.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Good looking.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: The ODB shit was crazy.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Chris Rock talking.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Shit on there was crazy. Good looking, yo.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: But I think we've kind of lost that visual... Appreciating
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the visual aspect of music like we did.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Because obviously the music industry's changed.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: We ain't in front of our TV watching TV music
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: videos like we used to.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: So, I don't know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: If you had to... If you had to give me
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore of your favorite personal guest verses, because
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you've got some fucking joints.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I would not really be good at giving you that
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: answer right now. I'm going to be honest with you, right?
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Outside of the obvious, like the scenarios and.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Ante up.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Ante up, flavor in your ear, look at me now,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: which is the obvious, right? This verse is like bros
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: face rippler that I did with West Side Gun and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Bitty the Butcher. That's like a favorite verse to me personally.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Another favorite verse to me personally is my first verse
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: on the Genesis, which is the title track of the
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Genesis album.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I think that might be my personal favorite.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: That's one of my personal favorite albums.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I saw you tour that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a venue in Phoenix called the Celebrity Theater.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: It's a round stage.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: That spins.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember ever performing at this concert.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Nah, but I do remember performing at another venue like
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: that in Long Island in New York.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Where the whole crowd is in.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: A circle and the stage is in the middle and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: it's round.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And they actually could spin. I saw you, oh bro,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: my cousin just got out of prison. My cousin was
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: doing 20 years in prison. And this motherfucker is doing
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: hard time. Got all kind of crazy ass white supremacist
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: tattoos and shit.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: So he gets out and I don't know this fool.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I'm fucking 14 at the time.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know this fucking guy.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: So he was like the biggest Busta Rhymes and DMX fan.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, dog, ain't you racist as fuck?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: That shit is crazy, yo. That's some crazy shit.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I end up going to, so me and
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: my other cousin and my aunt took him to the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Busta Rhymes show in fucking Phoenix. And we're like, you
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: got to wear some long sleeve shirts, my G. Like
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: this shit, like you look crazy.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Crazy times, man.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Well, Diligence 2 is out. It is fucking incredible.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: You delivered.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Ma Dukes. Shout out to the Dilla Estate, man.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Ma Dukes was just out here, too. I got to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: big up Ma Dukes. She came to the Grammy Museum
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: performance that we did a couple days ago. Big shout
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: out to Illijay. He was out here. He was working
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: on a couple of things. I don't know if I'm
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: allowed to disclose it, but they are definitely amazing things
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: that he's getting together that's coming soon. So big up Illijay.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Shout out to all the rappers that you were able
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: to bring into the Dillaverse, too.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I was getting ready to say that. Big up everybody
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: that's on Diligence, too. Period. Big up Lil Wayne.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Big Sean.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Big Sean.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Common.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Common. Anderson.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Paak.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: John Baptiste. My son's Trillian. My daughter, Cee. Lareezy. Ludacris.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Big up to Jesse from Watch the Duck. Big up
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to Who In God's Name. who's also on the Anderson.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Paak and Ludacris joint, because he does the knock your
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: fucking head off, knock your fucking, that's who in God's name,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: he's from Chicago. Big Up Honey Baby, who's also on
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: the song with me and Big Sean. And Big Up
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Ma Dukes, who's narrating and hosting the whole project. And
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I got a Big Up Kev Brown, who co-produced Spaz,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: and I got a Big Up Black Milk, who co-produced
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: on Spaz.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Black Milk, legendary Detroit producer.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Kev Brown's a legendary underground producer, too.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Incredible. Absolute. And I got to big up the incredible
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Kareem Riggins, who he produced Run Him Down. He co-produced
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: with Dilla what we got in common with Common and
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: John Baptiste. And he also produced a joint called Drugs
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: on the project.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And you said that you were 95% done with another
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: album when Ma Dukes hit you. So I'm assuming... there's
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: some other shit sitting that.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Might be coming in the not so far future?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I'm going to be pretty much
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: taking my foot off the brake for a few years.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I overwork and I have a whole incredible trajectory of
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: shit in the pipeline that I am planning to do
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: from music to film. And these things are aligning in
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: a way that they have to come at certain periods
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: of time so that what was done recorded what was
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: created all makes sense when it drops. So yeah, this
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: is definitely some shit that ain't going to be sitting
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: around too long in the hard drives.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Also, wouldn't mind if you ever got too bored, you
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: should do, I think you should do a podcast.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I actually.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Fat Joe and Jadakiss is the best shit.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's the funniest shit ever.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: They fucking kill it. Incredible.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Their personalities is the perfect contrast. It's the perfect contrast.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: It's the perfect contrast. And it's so funny because when
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: they're your brothers too, and you know exactly their personalities,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: it's the most phenomenal shit ever.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I just like Jada just throwing the flash.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: This shit is incredible, yo. I love how they synergy
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: is really, even when they talking about serious shit, it's
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: still fucking just dope because it's truly them.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I think you would kill it too, man.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I'm considering it strongly because the one thing that I
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: get a lot and that I have a lot of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: is you're an amazing storyteller and it's because I actually
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: love to tell the stories of those moments that I
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: know motherfuckers ain't never gonna be able to experience again.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: From time frames in the game and being in the
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: room for a lot of moments that I had to
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: actually help and diffuse or contribute to to help magic
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: happen for the bigger picture plays. There's so much shit
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: that I wanna share and I'm going to share. I'm
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: just figuring out how to make it an experience That's
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: unlike everything that's been happening because there's so many podcasts.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's you. You are the person that
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: makes it different. I might have to agree. No, like,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: what you're thinking about is just, it's because it's you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: There's only one you.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: So, like, there's been, what, how many other rapper podcasts
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: came out before Joe and Jada?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Right, right. I mean. Right, it didn't, it don't even matter.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. You know what I'm saying?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: It don't matter.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: It don't matter. Because it's them. Yeah, it's them.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: And it's you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: That's what makes the difference.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Real shit.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Listen, go support the album. Vinyl's out?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Vinyl's is coming. Black Friday.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Black Friday. Support Busta Rhymes. Merch store's up. Everything is popping.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: It's super lit. Make sure y'all go pre-order everything that
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: you see in the merch store. BustaRhymes.world.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: For the radio show, can we introduce this record with
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: the legend, D'Angelo, produced by J Dilla. Can we get
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: into this record?
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Got to do it. Big shout to the Yancey Estate,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Ma Dukes, love you. Ella J, salute. Ty Monet, Jamiah,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: love y'all. Big salute to the Archer Estate, Luther Archer,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: salute brother. We love you, Dilla. We love you, D'Angelo.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Big salute and big shout to Hype Williams for directing
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: this video. Big shout to my leading lady in the
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: video by the name of Janelle Williams, produced by the
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: incredible J. Dilla, featuring the incredible D'Angelo. I want y'all
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: to please enjoy this to the fullest. This woman, currently
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: available and streaming with the entire album, Diligence 2, Video
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: available and streaming everywhere right now. Enjoy the fucking experience.
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