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Enneagram Christmas Traditions, Gifts, and Carols Part 2 · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: Hey friend, so tell me honestly, were you as surprised as I was when you opened up the podcast app last week and saw how crazy long the Enneagram gifts and traditions episodes was?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it totally surprised me as well as my editor, Nyla.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, sometimes you have this vision about how things are going to be or how they're gonna turn out, and then there's reality.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_03: Reality of how things go, and it doesn't always go according to plan.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I was there during the interviews and I thought I was paying attention to the time, but clearly I let time get away from us.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_03: I never did care for math, but I promise that next year I will make things up and do things a little bit differently, so that way you can make the most of your precious listening minutes.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Now, while this week's episode is a little bit like last week's, I promise it's not as crazy long.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: But it is divided up into multiple guest interviews, all about 10 to 15 to sometimes 20 minutes long.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: So each little conversation with all of the Enneagram types are perfect for catching up on the pile of laundry or maybe the dirty dishes or taking the dog on a walk or running down to the grocery store to get more things for making those favorite holiday cookies.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_03: So just take one guest at a time and listen and then come back just as I did as well.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: Now, today's episode, again, is gonna be similar to last week's.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'll ask my questions and get each of the guests to share their favorite Christmas traditions, their carols, what kind of gifts they love to give and receive.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Today you're gonna hear from the Enneagrams 7, 8, 9, and 5 today.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: And here's a little fun fact.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: My sister, April, the sister you haven't yet met, she is one of the guests today.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: I finally convinced her to come join us on the podcast.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I hope that she'll be getting to share in some future episodes that I have planned for 2023.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: Now I just need to convince my brother to do a sibling episode.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wouldn't that be fun?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: Alrighty, friend.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: Are you ready to dive into some more holiday fun and celebration?
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get to listening and learning together.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, I'm Amy Wicks, wife, mom, author, certified Enneagram life coach, and host of the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the sixth annual advent series, where you're gonna hear all about the practical rhythms of cultivating gratitude and celebration this holiday season.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Let's usher in this time of year with a tone of excitement because Christ's birth is something that has changed everything for you and me.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: I can't wait to share these powerful guest conversations with you about food freedom, navigating last three times of celebration, sharing favorite holiday traditions, and even how to relate to all the Enneagram types, even unhealthy ones, at all those family gatherings.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_03: I pray this wholehearted take on the Aven season blesses you richly, sweet friend.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Merry Christmas! It's about time you consented to my request to do a podcast episode with me.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_03: How many times have you asked me?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a good handful.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: The real question here is how many years have I been doing a podcast?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: And asked.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: Almost.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: And here you are, you're finally on the podcast.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Here I am.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_03: Next up, Aaron, the brother, though he has his own podcast now.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: So who's gonna host who?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's the question.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, who's gonna host who first?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_03: You could say that 10 times fast.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: It is a topic that I I don't, I'm not gonna even try to uh describe or articulate.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: The the fun thing for my friends to know is that I did recommend Nyla Weave, the podcast editor that they've all heard about now and even met to Aaron.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, she's doing a good job helping him get the podcast to podcast out there.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's awesome.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: I really got to stop sharing her because other people are gonna take her time and I won't have her available to me.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, someday all of us siblings are gonna get on this podcast and we're gonna talk about sibling relationships and the Enneagram, and it'll be such a fun conversation.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: I look forward to that day.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: First, Anna Lise did acquiesce my request, and she indulged me with a couple of fun episodes way back in 2019.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about, I know, which I can't believe it that feels so far the last two, three years.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_04: I keep thinking I have a second and third grader and not a fifth and fourth grader.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it is crazy.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's definitely been a time warp.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna assume we'll all look back and see it for the weird time warp that it has been.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: But all of that to say, you get to be here to represent what is sometimes mentioned as the darling of the Enneagram.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: So who are you representing today?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Enneagram nine.
• 6:07
  unknown: Woohoo!
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: And the nines who usually have to patiently wait for their turn.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't have to this episode, but here we are.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: We are at the nines.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: Whenever I welcome someone to the Instagram community, uh, you know, I get a notification, a new follower.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I pop on and I say, Hey, welcome.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know your type?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, because it's fun to find out.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: And when they say that they're a nine, they get a special message from me saying, Oh, well, I know a few nines.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm married to one of my sisters, R9.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_03: So you all are pretty special.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: And for the record, let me just say the Enneagram Nine post, anytime I do an Enneagram nine post, the nines always share the love and they like it.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_03: Whether they really like it or not, I get more likes on the Enneagram Nine post.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_04: Because well, we can't offend.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: We can't, you know, disrupt the peace and cause conflict or hurt our feelings.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: There if there if there's a typo, they're not gonna tell me.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_05: Nope.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: They'll just like it and move on.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: No, I I love it.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I've already begun to formulate of this is such a true to my future thinking stat.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I you are a past thinker, and we're gonna have fun talking about that.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm already thinking about the questions that I'm gonna ask next year.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I just had to stop myself from asking the question that I'm gonna ask next year.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: But ultimately, I I would love to hear what you think your personality brings to, you know, the Christmas season per se.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: I would say we're a calmer person.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I don't know if it's the wing that comes to play when it's like I like to be organized way ahead of time so that I can know that my Christmas season is not going to be overly booked, overly full, and we'll have time to just savor and enjoy the driving to see Christmas lights, or like I plan ahead and make sure that things are on the calendar so that the traditions happen um that are the most meaningful.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like we started the discussions at the beginning of November.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what is your favorite top three Christmas things to happen?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_04: And then we write them down and make sure that they happen.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: You are so good at that.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_03: I love coming to your house.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's a long drive, and we won't talk about that today.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: But whenever I come, there's the usually the two or three months of calendars there on the fridge, and you have things organized so well.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: Kudos to her or Enneagram one mom and your wing one.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um she helped prep me.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: She did.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: No, I love it.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: And you were even really good at I was gonna say probably September.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: I got a couple questions of hey, would such and such like this for a gift, or like there she goes, she's already prepared this year, though.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm borrowing one from your book and I'm trying a little sooner.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's some good deals, and when I see them, I tend to just buy them.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: I have about three bins in the garage that I have rotating gifts, and I just keep them always filled, always find something to put in them.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: You are really good at that.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: I have a feeling that's gonna probably come up in one of our or some more about that in one of my questions.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: For as you've talked about, when you know, I you're really good about cultivating this in your voice.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_03: So it made me think of this the idea of asking them the traditions as you guys sit around the table this year.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: What's been on the grateful list?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: What are the things that you're giving thanks for that for you stand out this year?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the biggest one probably would be the younger sister getting married.
• 10:16
  unknown: Yes.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: And we're so glad we get to talk about this.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: Welcoming Dan to the family.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, it was just such a beautiful, stunning wedding and was a celebration and a new uh season of joy.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: It was like a launch into the holiday season of just joy.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, 100%.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: It would definitely be the wedding.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would agree.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't really shared like my list of questions or answers to the questions in a uh systematic format, but every once in a while, one of the conversations, I'll be like, that's my answer too, or I'll end up sharing something.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: But I would have to say hands down, that was the highlight of the year.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: Beyond grateful is not even adequate description because it's just so many years of prayer and waiting for a lot of things tied to that event.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it just was like the best week ever.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I would love to do it all over again.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: It was, it was epic.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: It really was legendary.
• 11:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: All the feels.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost hard to talk about it in a way that I'm like, oh, I wish I could let everyone in to just know how incredible it was.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, we're just it really did.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think what you said, it launched us into a season of um of harvest.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think probably in in that best description of it had been a really long, dry, hot summer, and before that been a long winter.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so and spring was brief.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: So it felt it felt really uh, yeah, just all the beautiful things they would want it to be.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm ready to get there for celebrating Christmas the week after and for all the board games.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: So glad that learn.
• 12:20
  unknown: Yeah.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: We rarely play the same game twice.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which is a little bit hard for me.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: I have to say, I'm one of those who like to watch a favorite movie twice at least.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, agreed.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: Agreed.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'd like to play a game once or twice, so then I can feel like, oh, I understand.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: And to clue in our friends who are listening in, our sister, our baby sister, we'll relegate her that she is in her mid-30s, so that seems a little unfair, but it's true.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: She's the baby of the family, she's the fourthborn.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: She married a guy who is like board game nerd, is an understatement.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a room full of board games, and we are over the moon excited and thrilled and delighted because we love playing games.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: This is a whole nother level, though.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we're really excited because every time we get together, we get to play a new game.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: The wingspan game that we played last time.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: I really hope we get to play again because I was just starting to figure it out when we finished.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: So it had a little bit of parenting in the middle of that.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: So there was definitely some distraction.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Just a few distractions.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was a lot going on.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: When the Christmas music starts getting cranked on in your house, which is early for some people, a little bit earlier for my people.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, for me, one of my people, let's just we'll put it that way.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I know you love Christmas music as much as I do.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: We share that.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: There's so much good stuff out there, and we love the classics and we love new ones, and we love the carols and the hymns.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: But for you, is there one Christmas song that Christmas Carol that really is just that meaningful moment and it captures the essence of what you love about Christmas?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_04: I would have to say it was Carol of the Bells.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: You do.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: There must be something there that's so funny because the seven in our guest lineup, whose name happens to be Jen Higgins.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that ironic?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I anyway, I was like, no way, because that's mine too.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: But now I was kind of curious if you were gonna answer that.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think it is?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is there some childhood thing tied to it or something?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: I I it was one of the first chorus songs that I remember when we did choir.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: And then when I was a alto and soprano um lead in our uh it was called Wi Pack, the Youth Performing Arts Choir, and I helped with the different sectionals.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: That was one of the songs we sang every year, and it we we ended up doing a missions trip to Ukraine, and we had uh one night where all the lights were no power and it was completely dark, and someone started singing that one, and it turned out that it is um the origins of the song came from Ukraine.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: No kidding, it's one of their national songs, so and they sing it year-round, it's not just that Christmas.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow, okay, even more intriguing as our hearts is are definitely drawn to Ukraine during this time.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: We have a missionary, we get sometimes daily updates about what's happening there, lots of activity, yeah a lot to be praying for for sure.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's so cool.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I love that you brought that up, and every yeah, the kids know it too.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: So every time some version of Care of the Bells comes on, the kids know they need to turn it up because mom wants to immerse herself.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_04: I think it and it I think it covers so many people because it talks about the meek and the bold.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but the the story of Jesus is for everyone, it's not just a select group of people.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, so I yeah, that's way deeper than I've given it thought to.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_04: So seeing it for many decades, so that is awesome.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say that my um second because I couldn't just pick one.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, usually the case.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it would have to be sleigh ride.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: I think that one brings me so much joy and it's instrumental, there's no words, but just like the sound of it is like yeah, it feels like Christmas when that one plays.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I can see you getting sentimental about it.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I love it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: I would agree that's a good one for sure.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just the vision of it, right?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: The the beauty of getting the sleigh ride and the snow and going on to doing something fun, meaning you know, togetherness with family.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think we need to do a sleigh ride sometime.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: It would be, it would be.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: Our Canadian friends are telling us, well, just come on up here and we'll help you out with that.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: When it comes to making a Christmas list for yourself, would you say there's been some themes over the years or something that you tend to ask for year in and year out?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um I was thinking about this, and I think the core of it, this is I this is why I have a hard time spending gift cards too, is because the gift itself is to be meaningful.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: And so, like if I use a gift card to go and buy groceries, that seems like, well, it was to be for something fun.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_04: So I think the core of it has to be something fun.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: I happen to love all things Disney, mostly vintage Disney, but Disney.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and so but I think about like that is centered around something fun and joyful and or art or books or games, entertainment, but something that is that's what I ask for.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: I did realize um too that I like I would much rather instead of like one big gift, find three special little gifts.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_04: To give or get.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'm curious to know.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: How about on the getting side though?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_04: Probably little as well.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: I sometimes struggle with the I'm not sure what's the right phrasing of it.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like one big gift seems not disappointing, but like too grand a gesture.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, fascinating.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: In my gift guide, I do say quantity over quality typically, but you know, in the end, quality is appreciated.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: But there's there's something about that.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that's interesting that you would state it, you would phrase it about it being too grand.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: Would prefer more humble little things, little treasures, little treasures.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_04: The few practical gifts that I have gotten through the years, I recognize those are the most disappointing.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_04: I know interesting, yeah.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm like, well, I would have just bought that.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Probably cheaper than what we found it for.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're good at that sort of thing.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: When Weston was really little, he asked for Christmas for a box of mints and a trash can.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: He was three.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Any guesses on his personality type?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, one.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Or two wing one.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: We're seeing some clear signs of these things.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: I did give that to him and he was so overjoyed.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: But I had to make it fun.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: I had to make it Star Wars.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: So great.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: And you probably packed it full of little gifts or something to that effect because that's how you roll.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_04: And he was very thrilled.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't doubt it.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: And gifts are your thing.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: And what's interesting to me is you point out the meaningful part that it's important for you to have value attached to it, knowing that the giver had that intent, and then that you used including gift cards, had it for used it for the intent that it was given.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Now, on that flip side of things, what do you love to give, or what do you love about the giving process?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: We've hinted that this does bring you joy and you're good about planning and having things on hand, and you are the deal shopping queen.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone should know that I used to do coupons.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: I now defer to April.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, I need something at a discounted price, or on Facebook Marketplace.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: Can you help me?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: How can you find this?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: I love there's thrill of the hunt, right?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_04: Finding the one unique item.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_04: And this is where I wondered if I was a four for a while.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, for sure.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: Because it was like, oh, but it's the one item, like at a thrift store, finding the one treasure among the trash and just being like, oh, this is perfect.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I love finding like the one thing where you know that person loves this.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: And so that one item brings them joy because they're known to love that.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: So knowing that they love it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: And knowing that they seem to love it and finding that item, um, taking the time to invest to make sure that their what they love is noticed and important too.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I think that's what I love about it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: They do a good job of that.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I, for the record, definitely think that whenever you want to do more exploring on the tri-types review, I think four is up there for sure in your tri-type.
• 22:29
  unknown: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: I see it for sure.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, here we are.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: You did it.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: You you fulfilled the obligation of being part of your first wholehearted Enneagram Christmas episode.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't that hard.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: Would you do it again?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's the question.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sure.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I have it on record.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh April, thank you for indulging me.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for being part of this fun series.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I just appreciate you.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm so excited to see you December 26th.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Woo!
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: I can't wait.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: I I may have already started my gifts.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: Can't wait to get it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: Crystal, I am so excited to have you on the podcast.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy to be here.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's always great to see you.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, same here.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: We've gotten to have a couple of text conversations throughout these last several months since we met.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks to the wholehearted Enneagram Summit, you and Anthony got to present about business and marriage.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: It was a fabulous, fabulous session.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_03: So as I was putting together the lineup for this special two-part episode, I knew like you were at the top of the list.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I've got to ask Crystal to represent her type.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: So without further ado, let us know who you're representing today.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm representing the great eights.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, I think eights unfortunately sometimes get a bad rap, but I always get a bad rap.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think it's unfair.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I know people like you and I are trying to change the narrative because a healthy eight, just as a healthy any other number, is such a gift to the world.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: You did talk about one thing that I think it would be fun to share that is new since maybe some of our friends got to hear from you from the summit, but it's been slowing you down, which has been hard for your very active and busy nature.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: So tell me a little bit what it looks like to be beautifully limited as an Enneagram AIDS.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so yes, you know, yes, I am pregnant.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I am uh what I think 25 weeks, and I am about incapacitated from sciatica back pain that I can.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: So terrible.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: I always get, but this time I think because it's going to be, you know, our last child, I think this one's going out with a bang and making sure to give me that last hit.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's it's really hard because I have all this energy and all these plans, and to just my mind wants to like, you know, just go run upstairs and get something.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And my body's like, no, you're not going anywhere, you're not doing anything.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's always really hard.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so luckily, you know, my kids are very helpful.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Anthony's very helpful, but inside it is very frustrating to not be able to just go and walk my.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love walking, I especially love walking at Christmas time and doing all the outdoor activities.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's gonna have a different flavor this year.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: And for those of our friends didn't know, you also homeschool and you're a co-business owner.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: You were a busy woman, you were used to the go, go, go.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: So having a little one incubating there has taken some of that energy.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm so excited about I don't complain because I'm so excited, but I'm like, oh yeah, this is this is a great way to go out on this one.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: I remember when you told me, and I think it was maybe via voice text, we were kind of talking back and forth and just the excitement and how much this little one has been prayed for and longed for, and ultimately, of course, part of God's plan, but also part of your vision for you and Anthony.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so I don't know, I just love it because it was a longing fulfilled, a dream fulfilled for you guys, and um, just some really awesome significant things.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so anyway, there's just a great joy over this life, but I am sorry because being slowed down and limited, it's not my cup of tea either.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you said, you know, we've always wanted five children and we've had four miscarriages, and so along the way, so we would already be done if we had uh not had so many losses.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that is the only one percent of women have four or moral miscarriages.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I told Anthony, hey, we're in the wrong one percent, you know?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um so with this one, we've been taking it a day at a time, and whenever I had shared that with you, that was earlier, and you know, things are going well now, but we didn't know then, and you you just still never know.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, we're taking it a day at a time, and so that's why I'm so excited, so grateful, so thankful.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it will complete you know the five we always wanted.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so that's why I can't complain, but it is it's just you know frustrating because there's so many.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like just even shopping for the baby.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: I went to the store the other day and I'm like, oh, look at those onesies way over there.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like someone push me.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: But Anthony thinks it's funny.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: He likes pushing me in a wheelchair at the store and things.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: My aunt had broken her leg or something, I think, you know, was had a boot on.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so she had to do a wheelchair through an amusement park several years back.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: And we just laughed because he's sort of the absent-minded professor.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: And as he was pushing her, he would like run her into things because he wasn't getting the visual.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like we we finally were like, hey, Dave, uh, how about the uh someone else pushes Carla around?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: It was pretty funny.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: It made for a lot of laughter.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: So um, well, obviously, you're very grateful about the pregnancy this year and your four other beautiful children and your husband, all those good things.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: So as you're reflecting on this year, which sometimes us as three sevens, sevens and eights aren't awesome about looking back.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: We're looking forward most of the time.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: But what is on that gratitude list?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: And if it's the obvious, that's great too.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: That it, you know, it is the obvious, it's the obvious that I'm having the baby, you know.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's not just about having the baby, it's about completing, you know, when you have a vision and and then it gets satisfied.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's a big thing for me and Anthony.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so it really feels like, wow, I'm going to be done with childbirth because I'm the type of person where if I say I want five, if I get five, I'm good.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna say, oh, well, now I want six, or now I want seven.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I know where my satisfaction line is.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I get it, there's just a big level of just, you know, just finishing a goal.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so with that, it's like me and Anthony are both really celebrating, like, wow, we're gonna be done with the child birthing, and then we're just gonna be like raising our kids, which you know, there's never a limit to the, you know, the hardness or the stress or anything that comes with parenting or anything, but the excitement and joy too is is all makes it all worth it.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's the satisfaction of completing that season in my life.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very much looking forward to that.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that is good.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: There's so much truth in that statement.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I've thought about that before because I'm thinking, what have I finally, what do I have some satisfaction about completing and or just what's been completion in my life?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good thing to maybe reframe even the gratitude question for our friends today.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna ponder that.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's so good.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh definitely thrill for you guys.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's it is really cool.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: You'll you'll interesting whenever you are, you know, going after a goal, and then you like we like I said, we've had the four miscarriages.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, whenever you have a miscarriage and you get far along and then you don't make it, then you wonder, do I even want to try again?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so you really have to think about why am I doing this?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: What's my motivation?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do I really want it?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what's it worth?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I've had a lot of time to really think about it.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I and whenever we decided to keep trying, even after all the loss over time, they were not all consecutive, it was, you know, over years.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was this is worth it.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is what we want.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: And if it doesn't happen, we're satisfied and we're thankful for what the Lord provides for us.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: But if we can have it, we want to know when we're like 65 that we did the best that we could.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and you know, with with childbirth, there's a lot of things you can go through and medicines and all kinds of things.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so you it needs to be worth it.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's why I've had a lot of time to think about it, is because of so many losses.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's is it worth keeping on going?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: And many times people give up on their dreams because of the hard road.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's you know, if it really is your dream, then it's worth it.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's not, then you may come up with, you know, really, I did it wasn't worth it, and you give it up.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: But this is something we is foundational to our relationship that we wanted to at least know we tried, and we tried, and so we're thankful, even if not if it didn't happen, but we're so grateful that it is so far.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Man, Crystal, that'll preach because that is really a great litmus test of it's not a failure, then, or you aren't a failure, or it it wasn't like that things worked out for or didn't work out for you if things didn't work out.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: You may have you must have decided along the way that it's not what you really wanted, or maybe it wasn't worth it anymore.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so, but the things that are really you're really truly desirous of and are the ultimately the best thing for you, you'll be able to find the tenacity and the strength to trust.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know you talk about entrepreneurs a lot, and many times entrepreneurship, it's literally just about not giving up.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's it doesn't really matter what happened.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's literally just keep going.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: I was on someone else's podcast about business and they were asking for a list of tips.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, the number one realtors say it's all about location, location, location.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I say for the entrepreneur, it's about persistence, persistence, persistence.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: That is the key.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I love it, Crystal.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: I know we could talk so like just for so long about so many things, and I would have the best time.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: But this is where we get to begin to talk about Christmas, specifically the holidays, Christmas carols.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: I just love them.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: They, you know, they're just such a fun.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: I try to wait as long as I can and get closer and closer to Christmas before I just start listening to Christmas music nonstop.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: But I've been having fun finding out what my friends really love, what's either tied to a tradition or special memory, or just it when they hear that song, it is Christmas and they, you know, it just has a holds a lot of meaning to them.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my favorite is Oh holy night.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: And no kidding.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love that song.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I love like as soon as Thanksgiving's over, like we put our tree up, Thanksgiving weekend, we're ready to put the Christmas music on.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Same.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: I just love I have a Christmas playlist that we play every year.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm into it, but Old Holy Night is the one where I'm just like, because I just really think of you know Christ's birth, and it's just like this is every year that this song just gets me, and just you know, it really puts me in the Christmas spirit of you know, Christ's birth and just how it's it really makes me feel like something big is happening, and just there's a few people that really sing it, and I'm just like, it is Christmas, I love it, and so that's my absolute favorite consistently for probably at least the last decade.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I always listen to that and it makes me stop.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, other songs I'm just like you know, doing things, but that song is the one that I have to stop, I have to listen.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that is so good.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: So for you, it's like whoever sings it wherever it is, it brings you to that moment.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's like this is Christmas, this is the reason for the season, like like all the you know, festivities and everything.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's all great.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just like, oh holy night, and just when they sing it, it just puts me there.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Cause we always go to a nativity and we, you know, we have all of our things, you know.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love a full holiday, and yes, but oh holy night is that song that just wraps it all kind of up and when they sing it.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's my favorite song.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that is so good.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, that is so fun to hear and learn about you.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Beautiful.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: When it comes to gift getting this year's list might look different than years past, but I'm kind of curious about both.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: What's what is a traditional item on your Christmas list, or even what you're hoping for this year?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe there's some themes to them.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like, okay, so at Christmas time, basically in October, I have my Christmas list ready for others because I really love giving gifts.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like I love it.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: I love giving gifts.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I love getting the right wrapping paper, making sure I have my list, making sure I have everything for everybody.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the season of it is like a gift to me, like internally.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: But because I have to get something, then I usually I usually will get something that has to do with self-care.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: So like I really like gift certificates for like things I like to do, like manny patties or my favorite restaurant or um like a store I like to shop at to where later on after the holiday season, whenever I just feel like it and I want to have a day to myself, I can go out and enjoy like you know, time to myself.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I like getting things that lets me be able to choose the things I like later.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Or there's something maybe specific that I've been wanting.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: But Anthony and I, we're the type of people where if we want something, then you know I'll get it throughout the year.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: So by Christmas, I don't really ever get a lot of surprises.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we don't do it's like, okay, well, we'll put that in the Christmas budget and get it.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: But if I if I really wanted it, I may have needed it earlier in the year.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I already got it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, but it's like the season is a gift to me.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: I just love all the things, the cookie baking, the you know, the people, the the gifts, and you know, just all the it's I love enjoying the season because my love language is quality time, and so oh yes, yeah.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: So all I love the season, but if I have to get something under the tree, you know, it's like okay, here you know what I like.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's self.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: I I know that for eights, and this is that kind of fun thing because you as an Anthony's a one and you as an eight, that kind of that planning, yeah, the fact that you would be throughout the year getting things and just go ahead and getting it because it's probably practical.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's really practical.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: I know one of my eight friends who shared one year, uh, she really wanted the one of those Roombas, right?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so um, it was really cute because I think she actually ended up getting one before Christmas, and that made her even happier because then she could have it for the upcoming holiday season.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it was kind of that practical combined with I just you know what I want.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: And so just please do the what I want.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: Not necessarily the surprise.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you kind of hinted at this of what you love, like you love the gift giving.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: So for you, as you're preparing and dreaming about all the festivities, but also the gift buying process, what do you typically enjoy giving others?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, number one thing I've always enjoyed, even since I was a child.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: So this has to be like something ingrained in me, is I love knowing exactly what someone wants and giving them exactly that.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: So if they love this is hilarious, yes, a purple, you know, bookmark from Turkey.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: I only say that because I have a bookmark from Turkey, but like somebody gave me.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, if they if they say that, I will look all over the planet to find the purple bookmark from Turkey, uh, from the country Turkey.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I like to know what people want, and I'll listen throughout the year.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I keep like a running list in my head of anybody on my Christmas list, and then I'm looking for it all year.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so I may find it early and just put it away.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I love to like when people say, Oh my goodness, this is exactly what I wanted, or if I intuitively know that they would love it just because I know them, but I put way too much time, even my gift wrap.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I can't wrap every gift, okay?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Little OCD, but my kids, I get wrapping paper for each kid, and then every like third gift, I'm like, you know, there has to be a balance under the tree for the gifts and the pictures, and then there they come in, and first the gift is the wrapping.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh my goodness, this is beautiful.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that because I know yes, what characters they like or what colors they like.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so I love the packaging, I love the gift giving, but I love giving what other people really like, and then they're like, oh man, this is amazing.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, I know it is.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: I work so hard, and it's I just like it.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: It is that is something deep inside you that's undeniably tied to the lens that you look through and how you're wired.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's beautiful.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: I it's just again and again, I'm always amazed when these things come back around.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, well, yeah, it's just that we are what we are and we do what we do.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: I have a uh Enneagram eight daughter who loves the aesthetics and is thoughtful from beginning to end as well.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember one point in time her challenging someone's gift-giving idea of like, well, do they actually want that?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she was so indignant of going, why on earth?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think they would want that.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why would you want to give it to them if they don't want it?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's a waste.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: I totally get that.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: But then I'm also I put a lot of effort in it, but I'm not offended if somebody was to return it or regift it or anything, because ultimately I just want them to be happy about it.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like I want them to know that I put a lot of time in it and a lot of effort and that they were cared for.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: If they feel better about returning it and they're like, oh, really, I would have needed this one, then that's fine too.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: So Crystal, this is so great.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: You validated at least one, if not many, other women out there who feel similarly, who have this similar lens.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I thank you.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for sharing.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for coming on.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: Even though you don't feel amazing right now, you let the joy of the season supersede and just sharing some of your energy and who you are and your perspective.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: It has been a gift.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for bringing who you are.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just excited for more conversations in the future.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm certainly, certainly excited about this new little one making their debut in 2023.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: And Merry Christmas.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: Merry Christmas, Crystal.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I think every once in a while.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: What the Lord thinks of me is like, oh, she's so cute.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Bless her heart, isn't she?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: Bless her heart.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: I hear it in the southern accent in a woman's voice, which God is not a woman, let me be clear, but I hear it.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: I hear the, you know, maybe yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, I'm about to go off into tangent.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's not gonna be good.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: So Jen, Pippians, tell us your Enneagram type.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, Emma.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: Type seven.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's here for the seventh of the letter said that when you get two sevens on a podcast, just turn down the volume a little bit because we're bound to have spikes.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: Nyla does her best to soften those spikes, but still they're usually like my mic is usually not right.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you see some people on the podcast are like their mouth is right up on the microphone.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably not smart.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's so true.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really have to get closer to the mic.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's typically not what people are asking of me.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, hold it here.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's not an ice cream cone, honey.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Except for when I sing.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: So people are always like, Jen, you need to be eating the mic.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Really?
• 42:49
  unknown: Do I?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Do you sing too?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: This is fun too.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_02: I won't say I'm a singer, but I do sing.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on the worship team at um at our church, and it's fun.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's like my little creative outlet.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, then you're a singer.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm an AW singer right here now.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_03: Just own it.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's like writer.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: We have to call ourselves a writer.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: So now you enjoy it.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: I've we um my whole family is our singers, except for my mom.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: So my mom always so this is a fun antidote.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I my I had there's three siblings, and my sister's a soprano, I'm an auto, my brother is a tenor, and my dad is a bass, and my mom says, and I'm the audience.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's cute.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my lands, I love it.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: That is so fun.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: Now there was four of us siblings, and we did sing together under duress and forced because we were pastors' kids.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: We did not make a full quartet, let me tell you.
• 43:59
  unknown: So
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that is so fun.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we're off to a great start.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: We've established that you're in Enneagram 7.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I would like to, for our friends listening today to this special Christmas and gift episode, Jen and I got to meet just this last summer, early summer, because of the wholehearted summit.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was just so fun to get to work with you.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I loved what you brought to the audience.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, thanks.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: That was the best experience.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: I I really love that.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm so glad to hear it because it is the last couple of years as I'm doing reflection of what was good and what I want to do again.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: The summit is high up there.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_03: If it's not number one, besides probably working with clients, that's a given.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: Is like, of course, I love that.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then there's the summit.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: So special.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: I am excited to dive into these rapid-fire questions.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: I love the idea of capturing story, these little snippets into our lives.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: Not only, so it's it's me sharing my friends with my other friends, but it's also stories where we learn things, learn things about ourselves, gain perspective, grow compassion for one another.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's why we love the Enneagram.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: So as you reflect on this year, and reflection is not our strong suit, it is for other people.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: What are you grateful for?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, besides the summit, we have established this.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: When I tell you, I was reading the questions like a, oh, I have to think.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna actually have to like think about what I'm grateful for.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the the thing that came up first is my team.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: So this is the first year that I've had a consistent team in a long time.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: So before I was online, I had an assistant that helped me here physically in my office.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I haven't had her since 2007.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I've kind of been a long time.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: I lied, I lied.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she started in 2007, and so she left about 2011.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, so it's like you lose in your right arm, yes, in my left brain.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um she would have been my right brain.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: There you go, there you go.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so um I was really excited about officially hiring like permanent people.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: And this was the first time that I used the Enneagram to hire.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Normally, I would normally tell someone not to do that.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but now that I have firsthand experience of using the Enneagram to hire, I am so glad I did.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: I am so glad I did.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: Let it be said 2023 podcast episode about using the Enneagram for work as it relates to hiring a team or creating a team.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: So you're my guest.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: Let's put a pin in that.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds so good.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: I thought you already had it planned.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, oh, I can't wait to listen to it.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, now you get to prep for that too and share personal story.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, it'll be awesome.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: I can I can even share, you know, you know, when I've done it before and not considered trying to not put someone in a box, right?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm won't go off on a tangent.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: We'll say that for that episode.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: So that is definitely what I'm grateful for.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, it does it sound cliche to to kind of wrap it up in the I'm grateful for the Enneagram.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, because it's it's the communication that um, like really using it to the its full potential to not just understand me or understand how I communicate or how other people experience me.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: I call that the experience gap in my book, like not just like understanding that, but once you're aware of that, what do you do then?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Now what?
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now you come in full force as your true self, as as much as you know of yourself at the time, and you bring light to other one, bring bring light to everyone, and bring your power to what you are designed to do, the gifts that you are designed to share with other people because they like them, and and vice versa, like the the gifts that other people of other Enneagram types, their gifts and and being able to share that with me and coming off of you know isolation after the pandemic.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what this year has been about is kind of a re-entry, yeah, like re-entry into um the world and like people.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm I'm kind of a homebody, kind of a hermit.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a different brand of type seven, but definitely a type seven.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: And and like just re-entering, I was like, oh, this is what I forgot how to do outside.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like this is this is what it's like to, you know, to be around people again and um and to be able to see their faces because we don't have masks on anymore and and really have to remember body language differently, as opposed to, you know, I'm I'm gonna be six feet away from you.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: That meant something completely different in the pandemic than it does now or or before the pandemic.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, just understanding the Enneagram really, really helped help me navigate this year that transition.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's powerful, Jen.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: I did a session for Sarah Waxman did a summit for educators and parents, and I did a session about communication with teens specifically, very political to kids of all ages, and whether you were a parent or a teen, or not, I mean a parent or an educator.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: But ultimately, I felt inclined to help add to the conversation what the adjustment has been like.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: Because to your point, it's hard to believe that March will be three years.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: That is just mind-boggling.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: But really, it wasn't until this year, and even as we're gathering, for a lot of people, it could be the first time that their comfort level is higher, and gathering is very achievable and accessible, which creates a whole nother dynamic of nuances to work through, which I'm also going to share in the episode because now it's the reminder of re-engaging with other people who are maybe not as healthy and self-aware.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: And what does that look like for us?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, clearly we have a couple of podcast episodes in us just from this conversation.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: So, friends who are listening, if you heard us start on a topic that you're going, they did not finish that.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know information.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us and we'll make another episode and we'll do like a mini-series, Amy and Jen.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be so fun.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_03: That would be so awesome.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: From a cruise.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: On a cruise.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_03: Now you're talking.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: Now you're talking, girl.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: Enneagram cruise.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: That has to be at least 2024, if not end of 2023.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_03: That would be awesome.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: I better be the first person you call about that, Amy.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you'll you'll be the first person once it comes out of my mind and into any sort of list.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's so fun.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_03: The question that I've really had fun asking is the Christmas Carol favorite.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: Christmas Carol tradition, maybe it holds a memory, maybe it just makes you feel festive.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe like it doesn't feel like Christmas until you hear it.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: And you're a singer.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, tell us what's what's on the list.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna laugh.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_03: One, I was like, oh, don't make me choose.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's so true.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: The original question didn't say like what brings up memory.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to address that.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: So when I think about Christmas carols and Christmas singing, I do think about my siblings because what we are very, very far apart in age.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: So my I'm the youngest, and then my brother is five years ahead of me, and then my sister is uh he's four or five.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's four years ahead of me, but five grades ahead of me.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then my sister is seven years ahead of me, but eight grades ahead of me.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and no, I didn't get held back, they just started early.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_03: They just were extra, extra smart.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: I had to be careful about how I say that.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: It does sound like I got held back, but I did not.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's hilarious.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: So we were never really in high school at the same time, but we all had the same chorus teacher, and so we sang the same medleys at the Christmas program.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: So the one medley that all three of us knew was literally a Christmas rhapsody, which was a medley, and that's so type seven.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: I know to not choose a medium.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: That is awesome, and choose a medley, but it was called a Christmas rhapsody.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say it's John Williams, but it may or may not.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: I can look that up.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I want to look it up now.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it had um what child is this and um Silent Night, of course, and Oh Holy Night.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it was just it was fun to sing.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: It was a way that we could come together, you know, as a family, and we would kind of quote unquote perform it for my parents or my dad.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: My dad wasn't in the course, but he would he would kind of do find pluck out little bass notes to sing along.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then tarot of the bells would be the other one.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: No way.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: Is that yours?
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: I hadn't figured out if I was ever going to share my answers to these questions, but I've had this theory that there are some carols that are just attached to certain types because tarot of the bells, like hands down, like it is not Christmas, or that is how I want to kick off Christmas is Carol the Bells.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, come on, is there anything better?
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: That isn't that I wonder if it's a type seven thing.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be curious.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be curious just to listen to this series to see if any other type sevens.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so far, no, so you know, and I have I have asked that question before, and this is the sixth annual advent season.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: So there's only so many new questions um that I can ask.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_03: So let it be said, I have yet to hear that from anyone else so far.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_03: Aw, see, we were meant to be friends.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: We are, we're like sisters from a different mister.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so we're gonna we're gonna break out in song later.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh not on this mic, but okay.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: I and I do think that is so seven of you to identify Rhapsody as a, you know, kind of that montage of songs where you don't have to pick.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_03: I love the memory associated with it.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, now the the two best questions I think here, the Carol one is my favorite, but a lot of people are tuning in because they want to know about the gifts.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I have created a beautiful gift guide.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_03: It has proven to be true time after time, conversation after conversation.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_03: There's some general guidelines of what to buy and what not to buy for most people, but there are some very similar themes between the types.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_03: So, what are the gifts that you typically ask for?
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I do think it's kind of fun to hear your birth order because I see that.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_03: I even see how maybe uh figuring out you're a seven like lends itself to the playfulness that you may have been able to experience as the youngest, too.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas I'm the oldest of four.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so that responsible need to help take care of things, hold things together, that makes my story a little bit different.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm I'm totally going off a tangent here.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: So, what are the gifts that you asked for?
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I know they could look different than what you used to, but you know, what's on the list?
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so um, being a social seven, I tend to be very practical.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so usually it's what the whole family can use, like something that and usually it's an experience.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: So if I'm asking, if I'm asking for something from grandparents, like grandparents say, Hey, what can what do you want for Christmas?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Why don't you get us, you know, annual passes to the zoo or why don't you get us yes, yes, annual pass to the science museum.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like that is, I mean, now they're all grown and and now it's like I don't know what to ask for, um, ask for now, but it's always been like experiences or vacations, um those kinds of things.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it's always been around family.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_03: That is I yeah, I would have a very similar answer.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_03: And you're on social seven too, right?
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_03: I am, I am, and games, games that I know other people will play with me, that's a big deal.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: And they're usually, you know, the more expensive ones.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't buy them throughout the year, the$50,$60 board games that are elaborate.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_03: I I tend to only stick to the ones that I know I could at least convince one person my home to play with.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't always get that.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm glad you brought that up because I'm not sure I would have, because I don't necessarily ask for games, but I have a niece who every year she sends a sends us a game because we do have like a family game night, and I would post things about here's what we played on family game night.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so she would send us games like here's here's another game for your family game night.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, So sweet gift, the best gift ever, even though I didn't ask for it.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: It really spoke to me.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: It felt like she was it was validating also to like she thought about she knew you, knew the family culture, felt like you would be blessed by getting to utilize this thing that that is.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_02: She gets us the she gets us the fancy ones.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, those ones that are like uh there's one that I recently played and I just saw someone post it, and I can't even I'm gonna botch the name of it, but it's about birds, and it is the coolest, most beautiful game.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_03: I totally did not come anywhere close to winning, but I just liked it because it had tons of different pieces and they were super beautiful, and it was like you could travel the world, and there was birds of Asia and birds of Europe and birds of Africa, and anyway, it was just really cool.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_03: So, anyway, the bird game.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: Does it start with an O?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like ornthologists or something like that?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: Orangy, you know, this is me not paying attention to details.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, I you well, and the reason why I asked, I had to um, I was I made an analogy to birds, like being a studier of birds and ended up in my book.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: But I um I didn't mean for this to be a plug for my book, but I love it.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: Do it.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: I I had to look it up to um to see what it was, but never really remembered it didn't stick until somebody on my podcast said, Oh what?
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I don't know what it's called.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but if you if you were someone who's a scientist who studied birds and she's like, Oh, that's an ornithologist.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I could be wrong.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'd have to look, I'd have to look at my book and see.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna have to Google it too.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_03: I love this.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_03: And before I ask the last question, I will make mention happily that your book not only is it on my shelf, but it will be the link to it, will be in the show notes because that's what friends do.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_03: Because someone who is listening might need to get an Enneagram book for their friend or family, and yours might be perfect.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_03: What gifts, besides Enneagram books, do you enjoy giving?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: What brings you joy?
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_03: What do you get super excited about?
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_03: I think we, you know, have can all testify to that moment that thing that made us forget what we were getting for Christmas, and we just couldn't wait for this person to open it.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes maybe we gave it sooner because we still really couldn't wait.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you can open one gift and it has to be this one.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: A week before Christmas.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I really I love giving gifts for one.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's not my love language, but when I see something that just speaks somebody's name, or I'm like, oh my gosh, they would love that.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: Especially if it was one little detail that they probably said in passing and they didn't even think I was paying attention because sometimes this might surprise you and shock you.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: Sevens don't always pay attention to details.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_03: We're sorry, we're really sorry.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: But when I when I do pay attention to a detail and I can incorporate that into a gift, and I know they're gonna be excited about it.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: Those are my favorite gifts.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, like, oh, I get you, and I listen to you, and I know 100%, like this is not a last-minute gift.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is something that I know it may have been a last-minute gift, but there was thought into it that it's not a meaningless gift, that there was definitely meaning put into it that ties in our relationship, our story, and uh and sometimes it's thematic.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, like I have um my my sister every year, I would give her something that was about travel uh because she loves to travel.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so when I'd be out and about all year round, oh, and I also buy all year round.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: So whenever I see something while I'm out, I'm like, oh, that would be that would be perfect.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: For my brother, it's penguins like all year round.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: If I see something that has a penguin on it, I was like, oh, so sweet.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I just go ahead and grab it, and it's who knows if they like it or not.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they do, but but that's what those are my favorite things to do, is it's it's saying, Hey, I've been thinking about you all year round.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_03: I love it, Jen.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_03: It does speak to that social side of the seven, which for those who just I'll take two seconds, but subtypes, there's three of them, and social is Jen's dominant one, and that's the one that I feel like is the most dominant in my life too, which it can look like a two and three sometimes.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_03: So there can be confusion there with typing.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_03: For us, there is a we get lots of joy of doing things for other people that drives happiness.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's a different motivation than the two, but it can look similar.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I love, I love that you that this brings you joy to buy throughout the year.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_03: Though I applaud you for your patience or whatever you want to call it, to not give it early.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_03: That that's always my guilty.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'll buy it and then I'll just give it like six months early.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes that happens, like if there's a birthday or like another holiday that was like, I was like, oh, let me just coin your stash.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go to the room your stash.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I do have a system in place that kind of helps helps with that.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like we do have a Christmas gift closet.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so as we buy and we and we have a system like where we make sure we keep track of it so we know what we've bought already.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: I need to have we gotten them a gift yet, and Terry's like, Terry's my husband.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Yeah, we've already gotten them five things.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_03: I love that you do this together, Jen.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh, I have loved this every minute of it.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_03: It was way longer.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure I'll look back and be okay, you two sevens put you in a Zoom room together.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is what happens.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_03: But thank you.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for sharing some of your story and your time.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I just wish you the happiest Christmas.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, and Merry Christmas to you.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yay, Judith.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_03: I am so excited to have you on the podcast this year.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: Amy, it is good to be here.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for the invite, and I love the occasion.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, me too.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_03: So, those of us who um we've gotten to meet you before is because you got to be a part of the wholehearted Enneagram Summit this year.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: You did a fabulous job.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_03: I got so much positive feedback.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's lovely to hear.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're just here to serve.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: Serve with our skirt.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_03: And and share your story.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_03: You did so well, so so beautifully, so heartfelt.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of women were touched.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, so I am thrilled.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_03: I this is one of my favorite things to do.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's our sixth annual Advent podcast, and you are here to represent your type.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll just start there.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us a little bit what's your Enneagram type, first of all, and how would you describe it, maybe?
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: I am a type five observer, and I'm excited to be a type five.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: When I found out I was my type, or when I finally decided that this is my type, it was just like, yes, this feels right, and I'm I'm fine with everything that is said about me, good at bad i still have to work on some things obviously but you know it just it just felt i felt peace about you know about what how how i was described in that time for most of the things yeah it's it's just so beautiful like you found the coat you put it on and you're like well it fits it i've been telling persons for years don't just show up on my door unannounced i'm not your spontaneous friend you know so to see it in black and white mark yeah i'm working to be more spontaneous but you know to be okay like at my core what's going on and that's fine yeah oh there's some peace and settlement when there's a name or a phrase to finally help us convey to others hey this right here yeah it's so helpful definitely definitely one of the questions that we're asking this year and taking time to reflect which the five has a superpower of past reflection as you're looking over 2022 what is something that you're really grateful for this year um I am grateful for God's provision um so I thought of that and then I realized I was a type five afterwards and then realized it just fits.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I wasn't thinking I was a type five at the time but sometimes you know you start the year and you wonder just if there's going to be enough you know if I'll have have enough energy if I'll have enough resources if enough people come on board to help with this and you reach nearly the end of the year and so many things have fallen into place.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: In so many ways God has just done abundantly above and I'm always grateful for when living water flows back in.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes um and I'm also grateful for relationships I've started to be a lot more intentional with relationships.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think I looked around in my 30s and I was like where are my friends?
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I haven't been invested in them I've been too busy reading and studying and so I've been more intentional about that and it was slow to start to see real fruits of that you know so I'm starting to see more of that now and I'm grateful for that.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_03: Beautifully said Judith there is so much that I want to ask you here about this that because I've promised that these would be short and sweet and to the point I am biting my tongue but as as we even prayed beforehand like Lord just what is it that you want to share in this I can't help but think an Enneagram five or other personalities are going to listen to that gratitude reflection and it's going to prompt something in them.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you for sharing that that's so good.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_03: All right this one has been really fun to talk about I would love to do some sort of devotional someday about Christmas carols.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_03: There's so many beautiful ones out there.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm curious to know has there been a traditional one that is an anchor that it makes it feel like Christmas or one that you just really love the lyrics to or is meaningful in some way?
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um I love the sound the melancholy type sound of O como come manual no kidding I just like this how it starts and just the stillness I like this concept of it's like it just draws you to be still and to wait and that the Lord is coming you know and he will come again.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's something I love about that one.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_03: Beautifully said I can hear it in my mind right now and it does there's like a dissonance to it and then there's growth in that the harmony and the sound of it and hope it's like hope grows.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_03: And hope yeah so good.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_03: All right I've had fun putting together an Enneagram gift list and it's been you know something that I've shared over the years and has evolved and I love collecting new information for but ultimately what tends to go on your list?
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a theme fives traditionally get give them a book and sometimes that's true but tell us what does an Enneagram five have on their list I cannot speak for all Enneagram fives.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I would say that when I was younger especially my teenager I would even ask for textbooks I studied biology and if there was some like offbeat biology book that I wanted I it went on my list.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I I like functional gifts and if somebody observes me the way I observe you and you can say you know Judith would really benefit from this like something functional.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with like something for the kitchen something for my car I tend to be a bit frugal and sometimes I don't buy the things I need or I don't buy them right away.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: So if you see me using something that should be thrown away like you know Judith needs a new one of this I think she's done all that she can out of this and you you're thoughtful enough to get it for me.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: I just I love things that have function.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: But a new one for me which will not necessarily be all a new one for me is just being more okay with so I tend not to buy a lot of things like body washes and candles and stuff like that.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I kind of appreciate one every now and again you know yes yes uh uh my sister who's a type seven I mean I can just go to her house and take one and she won't even notice they're like five of everything.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay that's exaggeration but maybe not and maybe close um but she will like get me some things out that now and again because I because I don't get in for myself um because I think it's not functional to not a good use of my money.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I can still I'm learning to like slow down and enjoy things to light that candle you know to have that longer shower or bath and yeah I we call it yes it is growth.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_03: I was just even thinking for me how I've grown into enjoying and appreciating practical things.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so I love how you know those parallel so well uh in our our growth lines and for you to be to embrace the frivolousness of burning a candle just for the fun of it or getting extra bougie lotion or whatever it is.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah it's so good so fun.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay and this one's really fun because we all have this was where the motivations come in even I think what do you love to give what what brings joy to you as you as you offer up uh that thoughtful gift or as you plan to buy the thoughtful gifts what brings joy to me or what kind of gifts or yeah both well yeah um um well like for my for my niece and nephews when I buy a gift for them I like to buy gifts where I think they can learn I'm sorry but it's important you can learn but it's fun you know yes I remember I got one of my nephews it's like it's it's like it helps you learn about electricity and the circuit board but it's like made for kids I know that sounds terrible.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also a major crafter so I like to get get and give craft supplies uh but I like when people when I when a gift does more than one thing you know when you're either learning or it can become something else um yeah so I love I love to give gifts that's especially to the younger ones um and then as I grow older I like giving gifts like devotionals planners I'm really boring no you're not no you're not at all I love this I am just my smile is so big you know like I like to give really and I will try and imagine I'm somebody else and I get a planner that's like super cool and fits them or devotionals that really is helpful for them um and just kind of knowing what a person what would be helpful to a person in their journey I think those are some of my favorite gifts if I can give something that will help you in your journey.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_03: What I love about there is you answered both questions so well the that element for you what are the real physical things but the why behind it.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_03: And the the beauty of how it shows your love it displays your thoughtfulness your investigative nature of knowing what it is that they like and don't like and and then just being really thoughtful and considerate.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I I love it there's nothing boring about it.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's you it's beautiful it's one of the reasons why people love you and love getting gifts from you.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_01: So no apologies needed I think it's spot on and I would like to I like my favorite things I buy gifts from way ahead of time and they're just sitting there because the rush of shopping at the end is a little much for me.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: So let's get that you know so I'll observe persons from ahead of time oh they really need that the probability of them getting it before Christmas you know not likely so I'll have things I used to do that for my mother all the time I would just have her gifts sitting now just waiting on her.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I think she started to pick up on it and she would just like randomly say things.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because she knew that I would just pick up on things and get her gifts based on you know what I hear.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh that's so sweet.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_03: That it's really it's again great.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like right here there's something about the thrill of the last minute rush that has kept me in a cycle of urgency around Christmas time that is not good.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so I am going to celebrate this moment because as you said that I have I am turning that ship around that urgency ship around and this holiday season I am buying ahead of time.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_03: I've already started doing it.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like okay growth and and then I guess the growth for you is willing to spontaneously if you get someone some last minute list you're like oh well I'll go ahead I'm not there yet Amy I'm not there yet it has happened before like something happened day before Christmas Eve that you realize oh you know didn't you get a gift no and it's not happening.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_03: The gift will be just as valuable in a week's time there you go happening before Christmas I will make a card and let them know it's coming but you know what there is growth for me too Amy so let's see yes yes well I appreciate the no rush we can still solve this we can still figure it out without the catastrophic depletion thank you very much so thank you very much Judith it's a joy I I would love more time because it's just it's always such a just a beautiful encounter to get to sit and talk with you and to share this.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I just wish you a very very lovely holiday season and I'm grateful for your time today.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: You too for you as well thank you for having me.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well friend if you listened all the way to the end and to both of these holiday traditions episodes you get a gold star.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_03: I really do appreciate you sticking with me on these movie length episodes right I promise though I give so much thought time and prayer to these each and every single conversation episode.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I promise that the rest of this year and well at least I can say for 2023 we're gonna go back to more of the typical episode length.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_03: The next couple of weeks though are extra special so be sure that you're following this podcast and when those bonus episodes drop you can listen to them right away.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna be family friendly Christmas tales with an Enneagram twist.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_03: I can't wait to share them with you.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_03: Lots of love going on behind those.
• 1:17:49
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• 1:17:54
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• 1:18:08
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• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_03: And now I've hinted at it next week I'm coming back with a very special episode.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_03: It has Enneagram insights and teaching about triggers with a fictional twist.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_03: I may have gotten a little bit carried away with it once again because well I'm just being me here and I love what I'm doing here on the podcast and I think you are too as I can tell by the downloads and those who are sharing about it, I know you're loving this.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_03: So next week I'll be back with an informative and helpful and insightful episode about Ennegram triggers with a fun fictional story that will be entertaining to say the least.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_03: Alrighty friend, until next time, continue to pursue God's perspective purpose and plans for the wholehearted celebration you desire this happens