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The Late Debate | 25 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, tur play.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on the late debate. Great
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  Speaker 2: to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with the brilliant
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 3: You're fired up, Caleb always just pay me money. I
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  Speaker 3: come in, I get fired And of.
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  Speaker 1: Course we're joined by the delightful Dinka to Georgia.
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  Speaker 4: What welcome I got? Delightful?
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  Speaker 3: How nice?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much?
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  Speaker 3: All right, you didn't give any such platitudes for me.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's stop arguing. We've got to get up
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  Speaker 2: to date with what's coming. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Diversity is our strength, right, So why is the new
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  Speaker 2: South Wales government creating a two hundred and fifty strong
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  Speaker 2: rapid response unit to protect places of worship and community
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  Speaker 2: events plus an ABC investigation fines and a series of
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  Speaker 2: vicious attacks on gays in Sydney was committed by young
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  Speaker 2: men associated with an alleged isis terra cell and Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Senator Alexantik has released a hilarious statement detailing exactly what
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  Speaker 2: went on during that very public meeting with One Nation
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  Speaker 2: recruit Cory Benardi.
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  Speaker 1: Will get to all of that shortly.
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  Speaker 2: But first, remember that safe injecting room the Victorian Labor
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  Speaker 2: government opened in Richmond. Locals worried was it a good
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  Speaker 2: idea to have drug addicts shooting up in a location
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  Speaker 2: adjacent to a primary school and residential units, but Labor
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  Speaker 2: assured residents that their safety was top of mind, and
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  Speaker 2: so the government installed CCTV cameras out front of the
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  Speaker 2: injecting room to discourage criminal behavior and to reassure residents.
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  Speaker 2: Just one problem we learned today the cameras haven't been
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  Speaker 2: working since twenty twenty one. The discovery was made when
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  Speaker 2: police asked to see vision of a woman who was
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  Speaker 2: punched in the face near the injecting room, only to
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  Speaker 2: be told the cameras had been decommissioned years ago.
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  Speaker 1: But it gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: When the Herald's Son questioned the department responsible, they lied
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  Speaker 2: about it. A spokesperson for Homes Victoria first told the
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  Speaker 2: Herald's Son, we do not operate the CCTV cameras at
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  Speaker 2: North Richmond Community Health Center, but when photos of the
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  Speaker 2: cameras were sent to Homes Victoria, they hastily released another
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  Speaker 2: statement saying, and I quote, our response at this time
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  Speaker 2: is that the cameras are ours and they are not operational.
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  Speaker 2: They were decommissioned in twenty twenty one. Just when you
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  Speaker 2: think you've seen it all in Victoria, Caleb, something like
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  Speaker 2: this happens.
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  Speaker 5: Well, in fact, you haven't seen it all because the
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  Speaker 5: cameras aren't work. There is nothing to be seen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that is just outrageous, isn't it.
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  Speaker 5: As you know, it's right, it is literally next door
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  Speaker 5: to a primary school and this thing is notorious. Of
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  Speaker 5: course we've talked about it a little bit on Skar News,
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  Speaker 5: but having lived in Melbourne for a little while, it
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  Speaker 5: is a hot button issue down there. Of course, you'll
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  Speaker 5: remember there was a suggestion that one would be put
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  Speaker 5: on Flinder Street or Flinder Street Station as well. It's
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  Speaker 5: a huge issue in Melbourne and so of course it
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  Speaker 5: deserves to have security cameras there, particularly given the kind
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  Speaker 5: of client hele if you want to call it that,
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  Speaker 5: that it attracts, who are often camped in the park
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  Speaker 5: over the road. They set up tents, they spend our
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  Speaker 5: on end there. There are even though the injecting rooms
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  Speaker 5: over the road, syringes all littered through this pack. So
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  Speaker 5: it's the kind of place that ought to be monitored
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  Speaker 5: for the safety of children, for the safety of parents,
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  Speaker 5: for the safety of residents. There's a big public housing
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  Speaker 5: block just a street over as well, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of people moving through there.
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  Speaker 5: Of course there should be security cameras and they just
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  Speaker 5: sort of don't work since twenty twenty one?
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  Speaker 3: How does that happen?
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  Speaker 5: Like, for what reason do you either turn off the
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  Speaker 5: cameras or they stop working? And then you go, oh,
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  Speaker 5: we can't fix them, Like I know they're broken Victoria,
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  Speaker 5: but that broke that.
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  Speaker 3: They can't go down to you know, Tandies, Tandy doesn't
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  Speaker 3: exist anymore. Just you remember Tandies?
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  Speaker 4: No, what's Tangy?
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  Speaker 1: I remember?
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  Speaker 5: I'm shocked that you remember shot anyway, go down JB
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  Speaker 5: Hi Fi, Yeah, JB High Fi Harvey Norman or somewhere
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  Speaker 5: and buy some bloody security cameras for a few hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 6: How hard is it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: But I mean the fact is as well they knew
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  Speaker 7: that this, this this whole site was high risk as
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  Speaker 7: it is, and they still didn't get them replaced since
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  Speaker 7: twenty twenty one. You know, every time I see stories
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  Speaker 7: of these of this nature, or any sort of crime
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  Speaker 7: stories in Victoria or in Melbourne, it just takes me
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  Speaker 7: back to those chronic words bysin to Alan when she said,
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  Speaker 7: and I quote Melbourne is safe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Melbourne is really safe.
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  Speaker 7: Justin to Alan, this is exactly what's going on. This
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  Speaker 7: poor passer by is walking there is allegedly bashed and
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  Speaker 7: then muled by this guy's dog.
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  Speaker 4: And residents have.
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  Speaker 7: Been warning about this for some time. And I was
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  Speaker 7: looking at some photos because I've got about two hundred
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  Speaker 7: and thirty visits per day at this particular injecting room,
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  Speaker 7: and I was having a look at some of the photos.
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  Speaker 7: There's a number of Facebook pages where residents take photos
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  Speaker 7: to say this is what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you've got people.
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  Speaker 7: Literally defecating in the streets. You've got people lying down,
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  Speaker 7: they obviously strung out, they've overdosed on drugs, lying backwards,
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  Speaker 7: hands down their pants.
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  Speaker 4: This is not a safe area.
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  Speaker 7: It is near schools, it's near children because children are
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  Speaker 7: living there, and there are no cameras. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 7: I actually think.
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  Speaker 4: That that is it is the worst of the worst.
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  Speaker 7: By the local area, by the local count.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say they're getting two hundred and thirty something visible.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the injecting sites has two hundred and thirty visits
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  Speaker 7: a day.
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  Speaker 2: Is that success? Or is that abject failure in the
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  Speaker 2: state of Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how much measure.
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  Speaker 1: The more drug addicts you get, the better we're doing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what you KPIs really are on that,
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  Speaker 5: but but I mean it's just a dereliction of duty,
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  Speaker 5: isn't it. It's such a basic thing, security cameras in
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  Speaker 5: an area where you have people who are whacked on drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb, you know what you're forgetting?
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  Speaker 2: This is Victoria, right, So how are you supposed to
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  Speaker 2: protect criminals if you've got CCTV cameras.
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  Speaker 3: According all their behavior.
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  Speaker 4: That's very very good.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know they say what the eye don't see
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  Speaker 5: the heart don't grieve.
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  Speaker 3: Now, maybe if we.
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  Speaker 5: Don't have security cameras to see the crime, there's no
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  Speaker 5: problem whatsoever. Speaking of crime in New South Wales, we
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  Speaker 5: talked a little bit last night on the front of
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  Speaker 5: the Daily Telegraph. It was there splash today that in
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales the coppers now are law un ching
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  Speaker 5: what it says, they're hate hunters. It's a dedicated hate
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  Speaker 5: crime unit now. They established a unit after October seven
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  Speaker 5: to sort of investigate hate crimes and respond to hate crimes.
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  Speaker 5: Should they happen. They're now making this thing permanent. Two
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  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty coppers who will be armed with the
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  Speaker 5: long arm rifles. They will be available to go to
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  Speaker 5: major events. They'll be guarding religious ceremonies, churches, synagogues, mosques,
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  Speaker 5: this kind of thing. They're giving them what they call
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  Speaker 5: quote rapid response roaming vehicles, which I think in common
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  Speaker 5: parlance means very fast cars.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it meant eboch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that'd be funny, wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 3: He's the copper with the big rifle coming on the EVA. No,
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  Speaker 3: because they previously had.
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  Speaker 5: Land cruisers, which are the slowest of the fleet, so.
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  Speaker 1: They're loomidating those.
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  Speaker 5: They do look intimidating, but in the event of something
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  Speaker 5: serious that they just need to be there immediately.
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  Speaker 3: The land cruise is not up to the job.
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  Speaker 5: So they're saying, look, here's a serious force that will
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  Speaker 5: be there if anything goes wrong. It's kind of sad
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  Speaker 5: to think that we now live in a state in
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  Speaker 5: this country where we need to have that. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to see ongoing coppers at major sporting events
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  Speaker 5: and outside of synagogues and mosques and churches with big
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  Speaker 5: rifles in case something happens. They also reguarding government buildings
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  Speaker 5: if there are threats, etc. That's a sad thing to
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  Speaker 5: think about. But another thing that the state government in
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales announced today is that part of all
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  Speaker 5: of this they're going to expand their multi cultural offices
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  Speaker 5: in the police force. Now these are not sworn police officers,
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  Speaker 5: but they sort of go out into multicultural communities and
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  Speaker 5: embed themselves. Here is the Police Ministry, as mccatley.
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  Speaker 8: These maclows, which we have thirty at the moment, will
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  Speaker 8: be doubling out capacity across New South Wales are critically
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  Speaker 8: important part of policing. They are not sworn officers, but
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  Speaker 8: they are community members who are deeply embedded in their
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  Speaker 8: migrant community. They are already part of their multicultural community
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  Speaker 8: and we employ them to assist police to know what's
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  Speaker 8: going on in the ground.
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  Speaker 5: So they've already got thirty of them. They're doubling it
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  Speaker 5: to sixty. Another thirty of these offices.
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  Speaker 3: But does it not.
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  Speaker 5: Sort of raise the point that if you need people
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  Speaker 5: who are specifically embedded into certain racial groups or nationalities
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  Speaker 5: or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 3: Is that not sort of implying that there.
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  Speaker 5: Are particular problems with particular groups. And if you have
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  Speaker 5: particular problems with particular groups, why have we not.
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  Speaker 3: Done something about that already?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we just got someone who's we'll
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  Speaker 5: just go and monitor whatever group it isn't you know,
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  Speaker 5: hope it so we'll find and they'll tell us if
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  Speaker 5: something's coming. Well, if you've got if you had to
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  Speaker 5: monitor a particular group for something, you know, hate groups
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  Speaker 5: for instance, we try and ban them, but we're saying
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  Speaker 5: no because it's a racial group or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well we'll just keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Well, this actually I feel like in a way it's
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  Speaker 7: like Yasmin Catley said the quiet part out loud.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, who is she targeting?
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  Speaker 7: Because to me it sounded like she was saying, we
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  Speaker 7: know that there are some groups in society that simply
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  Speaker 7: do not want to assimilate. That's how I read it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, who said that diversity was our strength? A
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  Speaker 7: couple of points that I would make on this. Firstly,
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  Speaker 7: I do agree with you, Caleb. I think it is
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  Speaker 7: so sad in this day and age that we do
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  Speaker 7: need to have these big, rapid fire groups going out there.
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  Speaker 7: But secondly, it actually really bothers me that it has
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  Speaker 7: taken the Bondai terrorist attack for authorities to try and
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  Speaker 7: come up with a rapid fire solution to this crisis.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean, look, I do obviously hope that these
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  Speaker 7: are successful because all these police officers are going to
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  Speaker 7: be carrying long arm rifles.
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  Speaker 4: Terrific.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, why wasn't that the case prior? We've had
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  Speaker 7: so much social disunity since October seven, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: But as to these multicultural officers.
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  Speaker 7: Look, DEI never works, absolutely never works. And what are
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  Speaker 7: they going to be acting as some sort of a peacemaker?
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  Speaker 7: So if one say one side of the community is
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  Speaker 7: targeted because okay we're talking say radical Islam for example,
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  Speaker 7: and what they're going to go around to say the
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  Speaker 7: Muslim community?
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  Speaker 4: There no keep the peace.
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  Speaker 7: Yes we know that radical Islam is a problem, but
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  Speaker 7: let's just be quiet.
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  Speaker 4: Just everybody just get along peace piece.
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  Speaker 7: That's what the Prime Minister has been saying for the
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  Speaker 7: past two years. Tolerance tolerance, tolerance, tolerance hasn't worked, and
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  Speaker 7: how much more tolerant can we possibly be? But then
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  Speaker 7: it also takes the onus off Muslim leaders, for example,
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  Speaker 7: And I think that Muslim leaders have such a critical
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  Speaker 7: role to play in radical Islam, and they have been
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  Speaker 7: largely silent for the majority. So what is this just
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  Speaker 7: another in between mechanisms. It's the point I'm trying to make.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you that the police minister said the
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  Speaker 2: quiet part out loud.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, she said it a couple of times.
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  Speaker 2: She talked about they will be embedded in migrant communities,
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  Speaker 2: in multicultural communities. I'm waiting for someone to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Australian community. And then she said we
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  Speaker 2: need this so that authority.
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  Speaker 1: Know what's going on on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, we've got communities of people who, as
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  Speaker 2: you said, aren't assimilated to the point where police know
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  Speaker 2: what's happening. So we need people embedded, she said, in
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  Speaker 2: those places. But here's the gas lighting that really annoyed
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  Speaker 2: me about this announcement. Chris Minz tweeted about it and
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  Speaker 2: also about the rapid response unit that you mentioned, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: and can you believe it? He began his series of
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  Speaker 2: tweets with and I quote New South Wales strength comes
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  Speaker 2: from our say it with me, Denika diversity and then
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  Speaker 2: he outlines therefore, because diversity is so strong, we need
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  Speaker 2: a rapid response unit. We need these community offices embedded
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  Speaker 2: in multicultural areas to talk about diversity being a strength.
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  Speaker 1: Less than one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Days after the Bondi terror attack, on the same day that.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC have announced that.
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  Speaker 2: People associated with an ISO cell, we're targeting Gaze, which
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about in a second. The day after the
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  Speaker 2: PM has to be evacuated from the lodge because of
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  Speaker 2: bomb threats, And we could go on and then to
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  Speaker 2: come out and say New South Wales the strength of
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  Speaker 2: our state is its diversity is just no one believes that.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's quite insulting and this assists with that lie.
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  Speaker 5: But this is the thing, because I don't begrudge the
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  Speaker 5: police wanting to know what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: That's good, great, we want them I totally they need.
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  Speaker 5: To know what's going on. So they're simply doing the
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  Speaker 5: best they can with what is put in front of them.
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  Speaker 5: But when you are in a situation as you say,
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  Speaker 5: where clearly you have issues with certain communities, that necessitates that.
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  Speaker 5: And you've got the Police Minister today saying that this
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  Speaker 5: will help with social cohesion. What's the cohesiveness if you
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  Speaker 5: require people to monitor particular groups or nationalities.
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  Speaker 3: It's the opposite of cohesion.
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  Speaker 4: Ye, And do you know what it comes down to again? Immigration?
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  Speaker 7: Okay, it is about letting people in some whose values
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  Speaker 7: do not align with culture.
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  Speaker 4: Or with a Western democracy.
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  Speaker 7: And now we've got a situation on a hand where
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  Speaker 7: they have to be monitored twenty four to seven by
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  Speaker 7: these groups.
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  Speaker 2: It goes even beyond that though, because yes, I agree
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  Speaker 2: with that point. But at the same time, as a nation,
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  Speaker 2: we have now decided you don't need to value Australian culture.
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  Speaker 2: You can come HyG you can keep practicing your own traditions,
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  Speaker 2: that's your own cultures, speak your own language. Not that
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  Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with that, but you end up with
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  Speaker 2: separate communities.
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  Speaker 3: But now we've got a six state rive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and say diversity is our strength, when kleiarly it's not.
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  Speaker 2: When you have to take such radical steps to get cohesion.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's like tribes.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, there's been so many examples over the past
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  Speaker 7: two years of where I think multiculturalism has failed in
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  Speaker 7: this country.
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  Speaker 4: That's before, but that's for sure.
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  Speaker 7: Now look after all the Queers for Palestine carry on
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  Speaker 7: that we have been seeing not only in Australia but
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  Speaker 7: across the world since October seven, twenty twenty three. Well,
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  Speaker 7: the day of reckoning has come a big I guess,
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  Speaker 7: come down to Earth for those who wave the rainbow
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  Speaker 7: flag alongside the Palestinian flag and chout from the river
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  Speaker 7: to the sea.
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  Speaker 4: The ABC has.
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  Speaker 7: Done a massive investigation and it has uncovered gay and
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  Speaker 7: bisexual teenagers being lured and bashed on camera, all being
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  Speaker 7: filmed in isis inspired attacks and then being lured via
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  Speaker 7: dating apps and a warning the vision we're about to
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  Speaker 7: show you might be distressing.
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  Speaker 4: Here is some of it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll stop so so.
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  Speaker 3: And you want to be gay, you want to.
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  Speaker 7: Be gay, and obviously that vision is extremely disturbing. Now,
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  Speaker 7: this all occurred back in twenty and twenty four, and
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  Speaker 7: I know that there were subtitles on the video, but
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  Speaker 7: I just want to just take you through what was
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  Speaker 7: being shouted in them, one of them calling one of
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  Speaker 7: the victims a gay slur, followed by a kaffir, which
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  Speaker 7: is an Arabic term for non believer.
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  Speaker 4: In another incident, the.
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  Speaker 7: Attacker shouts dull lutal Islam, which is Arabic. Four Islamic
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  Speaker 7: state five teenagers have so far been charged over four
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  Speaker 7: filmed bashings, and as I said that the victims of
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  Speaker 7: the assaults were lured on dating apps by the radical
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  Speaker 7: young attackers.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of points on this.
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  Speaker 7: Firstly, the crimes occurred, the alleged crimes occurred back in
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  Speaker 7: twenty twenty four. Now my question would be, why only
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  Speaker 7: two years later are we finding out about this? Is
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  Speaker 7: it because we're too scared to talk about the issues here?
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  Speaker 7: The real issue of radical Islam, the same issue that
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  Speaker 7: politicians seem to dart around all the time, the same
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  Speaker 7: issue that the Prime Minister it took him about thirty
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  Speaker 7: days after the Bondi terrorist attack to even mutter the
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  Speaker 7: words radical Islam is It's why we are only finding
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  Speaker 7: out about this two years later. Secondly, what does it
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  Speaker 7: say about the Queers for Palestine crew and the left
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  Speaker 7: of society? Are we going to actually finally hear from
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  Speaker 7: the left they're going to start making statements about this
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  Speaker 7: since they never actually do. But we've got a big
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  Speaker 7: problem when the religion is behind this and it becomes.
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  Speaker 4: Very very difficult to call it out.
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: And I know that James, you'll speak to this in
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: particular when there are aspects of it written in the
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: Quran or in Islamic techs that do support this sort
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: of behavior towards gay or bisexual people or homosexuals in general.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: So how do you tackle that. That's the problem.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the million dollar question.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: If you can answer that question, you'll solve all the problems,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: or many of them that we've got right now. That
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the problem with this is you've got these young people
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: motivated by texts in the Islamic scriptures, such as in
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the Hadith where Mohammad says, wherever you find someone doing
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the actions of the people of Lot, that's from the
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: story of Sodomon Gomorah, and that was a city famous
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: for its homosexuality, kill the one who does it and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the one to whom it is done. Now, the problem
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: is that radicals act on those words, right, So we're
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: not suggesting that the vast majority of Muslims would do
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that the radicals do. But in order to stop the
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: radicals doing this, someone has to come out and say,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you know what, those words of Mohammed ought not be followed.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: But I'm not sure how you can do that without
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: undermining Mohammed, which no good Muslim can do.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And that becomes the problem.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: How do you say we don't do that anymore when
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Mohammed himself did it and taught it that. The other
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: interesting thing about this story to me, you said, all
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of these attacks, a lot of them occurred into four.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: We were aware that attacks were occurring. We just didn't
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: know who was doing it and the motivation behind it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: But the ABC, and congratulations to the ABC on a
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: brilliant investigation. But when they reported on this in twenty
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: twenty four, they wrote, it's difficult to know the motivation
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of these attacks on gays, and they interviewed a criminologist
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: who said this and was quoted by the ABC a
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, saying it might have its origins
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: in religious bigotry in the United States, the implication being
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: those MAGA loving white Christian nationalists, they're probably the ones
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: responsible for bashing on the gays. Now, of course, we
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: find out had nothing to do with religious bigotry imported
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: from the United States, ie Christians. It's a very different
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: kind of bigotry.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: And good on the ABC for staying on the story
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: and pursuing it to the nth degree. That they've had
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a two year investigation going into Islamic state and they've
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: turned this stuff up, which is important for us to see,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: but it almost feels like we're regressing back fifty years
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: to the days of you know, gay bashing was a
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: thing people did.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And to think that this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Is going on on our streets in Australia in twenty
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: twenty four or twenty five or twenty six, whatever the
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: year might be, is just so far beyond where we
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: have come to as a country and what we believe
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: to be right and honorable, and that this is not
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: stamped out and that this has gone on and you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: you lead up to the events at Bondi. I mean,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: all these little pieces come together to allow the spreading
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: of and the proliferation of hate and of radical Islam.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: These acts all add up to that ultimate moment that
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: happens at Bondi. They just should have been on this
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: so much earlier, and the fact they weren't is how
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: you end up with situations like and kind of.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Back a very quick point just to your point about
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: the religious text. Don't forget that it was challenged in
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: a New South Wales court last year with with some
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: had Dad and that was taken he was taken to
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: court by Jewish groups and the Jewish groups actually won,
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: So it wouldn't be the first time that what's been
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: said in the Quran or is in an Islamic text
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: has actually been taken if it were to be that's
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: if it was to be preached. But I'm just going
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: off your point that you know it is mentioned in
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: parts of these Islamic texts.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: We need moderate Muslims to speak about those corrects in
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the Bran, not Jewish people who are upset or indeed
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the courts.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the United States.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump gave his State of the Union address today
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in a speech that went almost two hours, and I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: tell you what, it had some poignant moments, It had
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of humor, and it had its share of controversy.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: One of the things that US presidents for years have
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: done now is they've brought guests into the State of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the Union address. Trump did it today families of Americans
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: who were killed by illegal immigrants, and then he welcomes
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: them and everybody applauds because you know, we want to
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: honor them, and they're deceased loved ones. And the challenge
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is that everyone stands to honor the family members of
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Americans killed by illegal aliens, but of course, the Democrats
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: can't stand for that because they're opposed to Trump's border policies.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And so Trump took it a step further today when
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: during his speech he actually told them what he was
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: about to say, and then said, stand and applaud with us.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: If you agree, have a look.
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: If you agree with this statement, then stand up and
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: show your support. The first duty of the American government
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: is to protect American citizens, not illegal areas.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Of course, the Democrats did not stand for that. They
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: can't because ideologically they're opposed.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So the irony is rich.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: They can't even stand and applaud that America should protect America.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: In fact, some Democrats heckled Trump as he bought that motion.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: These sanctuary cities that protect the criminals and enact serious
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: penalties for public officials who block the removal of criminal
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: aliens in many cases, drug lords, murderers all over our country.
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: They're blocking the removal of these people out of our country.
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: And you should be ashamed of yourself.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: So after all of that, Donald Trump just said, what, well,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: what we're all thinking?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Really, these people are crazy.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: I'm telling you they're crazy.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: There's a feminis theater. I love it, and addressed these says, Oh.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: First, the gosh, two hours, that's a heck of a
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: long address. But I mean, howpathetics. Seriously, that was Elan
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: Omer who was sitting there shouting and heckling, and she's
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: absolutely banshee that woman. I mean, Donald Trump was making
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: a point about Somalian fraud and we know that that's
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: been a huge issue, especially where Tim Woles is concerned,
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: and the way that she was just yelling and carrying on.
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: There are about twelve Democrats that didn't even rock up.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: Not that I think that Donald Trump cared, but there
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: were so many important moments and the Democrats just look
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: at him like he's got about five heads. The man
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: was strong. I think he was strong. He had to
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: come out swinging today, and the reason is, obviously the
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: midterms are coming up. He was shaping this as his
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: midterm speech. He was shaping this up for the Republicans,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: and I felt like he delivered on many points on
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: the economy, he was strong on Iran. But the Democrats
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: they're just absolutely pathetic. You know, he talks about illegal
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: immigrants and the Democrats sit still.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: No, I don't want to say anything.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: Hello, do you want illegal immigrants in your country.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Well, and this will become the point. I mean, he
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't have five hits, but he does have one orange
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: one for them to look.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: But see what he has set up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Here is the video that they can now use use
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: in all of their campaigning in the mid rooms. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: they've just fallen straight into the trap. I mean, people,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: some people underestimate Trump, and they do so at their peril.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: You know, they think he's just this bumbling fool. You
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: know he's just a blusterer where.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: He's not a blusterer. Trump.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Trump is very deliberate and methodical in the things that
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: he does. Even though it looks off the cuff and
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: a bit bumbling. Sometimes he knows exactly what he is doing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: We've seen it in the way he has negotiated with
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: foreign countries. I mean, who else could have pulled off
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: the peace deal that he came up within the Middle East?
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Only Donald Trump can do that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: So he knows when he says that that the Democrats
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: are not going to stand up, and that they can
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: use that piece of footage in every ad they run
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: to say that Democrats don't care about you, They care
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: about illegal aliens before they care about you mark my
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: words that will be used in advertising. And that's exactly
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: what he set it up for. And they just roll
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: right into the trap.
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: They know it's just dumb. Yeah, And did you see
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: Nancy Pelosi? I mean, Nancy Pelosi looked like she'd had
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: a couple of drinks that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I was sitting there.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: She was dozing off a little bit. Nancy she often looks.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: But there was another really important moment that I thought
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: throughout the state of the Union, and this was when
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: the US men's hockey team walked in. Now they had
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: just won gold at the Milan Winter Games. Have a
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: look at this incredible moment here with.
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: US tonight is a group of winners who just made
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: the entire nation crowd, the men's gold medal Olympic hockey team.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: Come on, oh, I just love the patriotism. Seriously, only
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: in America would they've been chanting USA. But this all
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: comes off the back after the men won gold. The media,
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: the liberal media, they were really trying to rage bait
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: them by asking them questions after their gold winning performance
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: about whether or not they wanted to comment on the
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: ice operations or anything else that Donald Trump has decided
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: on and I just thought they gave the most perfect answer.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Have a look at this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: We're just we're athletes. We're still proud to represent the US.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And when you get the chance to go to the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: White House to meet the President.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: You know, we're proud to be Americans, and you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: still patriotics.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I applaud this. I applaud this.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: They are athletes, they are there representing their country. And
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: just because the liberal media or the left just think, no,
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: you can't be patriotic because being patriotic is racist, right,
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: or waving the American flag is racist, or being proud
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: of your country, God forbid.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: That must be racist as well.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: Sport and politics do not mix.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Let them go on play sport.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Let them be congratulated on something that they have played
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: and trained their entire lives for. And if the President
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: wants to congratulate them and welcome to the White House,
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: good on them.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Perfect answer when the ice hockey team walked into the building,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure the Dems would have stood at that
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: point because you've got to stand for your gold winning team, right,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But when they started chanting USA, usay direkon illin Omar.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Was chanting USA with a probably in the air.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, so it would have been a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: real contradiction there. For the Democrats will stand, but we
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: don't want to join in the.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Chant I know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: And we have enough trouble with the sports people inserting
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: themselves into politics without journalists trying to drag sports people
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: into politics. They're not there to represent politics. I mean,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: it should just be so obvious that you're there representing
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: your country, and your country is so much more than
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: the person who is leading it. But for the same reason,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: it's annoyed me that Russian tennis players, for instance, can't
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: play under their flag.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: At the moment.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: What Vladimir Putin is doing has nothing to do with
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: someone with a racquet and a ball playing in Australia, right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: It's not their fault, and so they are collectively punished
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: for the actions of someone with which they may have
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: no association.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: And you saw it the speed.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Directly, I'm not sure I agree with you on that point.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: No, they what the athletes are being punished, yes, but
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: not by the Olympic committee. They're being punished by their
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: leader of Vladimir Putin, who's behaving in a way that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the world says is reprehensible and then so therefore the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: world says, if Russia under your leadership is going to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: do that, then Russia won't be seen to compete at
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the Olympic Games. So the athletes suffer. You're right, but
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it's not the world's fault. It's Putin's fault, and ultimately
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: it's the Russian government's fault.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: But you could use that argument for anyone who does anything, right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the people of Russia.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Islamic state athletes compete.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: State is not an actual states Paris?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: If it were, would you be okay with that?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Well, if it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Were an actual state, then I guess you have to, don't.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You What if they said Iranian athletes couldn't couldn't compete
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: under the flag of Iran after a major sponsor of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: terror throughout the Middle East, and well, there are.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Plenty of people in Iran who don't agree with the Aytola,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: So do they all have to be punished for the
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: actions of the are toler You.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Are isolating a nation and you're saying, but then.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You're isolating all the people in that name.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So I feel that's just the reality of life, right, No, no.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: But but I feel the same about so we Australia refuses
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: or has refused in the past, to play cricket against
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Afghanistan because we take a political point of view on
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: the actions of the Taliban in Afghanistan. But as far
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, speak out about the Taliban. But it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: not the fault of cricket players in Afghanistan an aggressive rasion.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You're giving legitimacy to that regime.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Jitimacy to the people, which is.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: A worldwide phenomena that transcends cultures. Everybody recognizes sports, so
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you're giving legitimacy to the I understand why countries do it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a commentary on the leader. It's
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: a comedy.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: It's about the people of the country who deserve representation,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: regardless of who the leader is. And this came up
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: during the Australian Open where journalists were asking tennis players
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: US tennis players how does it feel to play under
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: the US flag at the moment and they were saying,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: I'm here to represent my country, Like what's it got
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: to do with the fact that Donald Trump is the
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: president of the.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Example, they were doing it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: They were doing it in Milan as well. They had
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: a number of players that they were asked that, you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: competitors that were asked about what do you think about
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: what's going on with ice, and many of them said
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: that they were embarrassed for their own country. I just
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: think it's a disgrace. But just going back to that point,
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: I do agree with you in the end. I think
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: that sport fairness, a right to a good game, should
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: absolutely transcend politics and any of that. I think that
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: if you've trained your whole career to be an athlete,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: then you deserve the honor of competing. If you are
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: the top of your country, no matter.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: What the problem is, you're platformed by a country that
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: is engaged in.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: But you're technically I think you're you're doing it for yourself.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: You know, I know you're participating in your count for
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: your country. You are right, so trained your entire life
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: for this one that way, you deserve that right. So
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: if you are number one in you know, say Russia,
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: you're you're the number one in track and field, and
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: then we say no, doesn't matter how good you.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Are, you don't deserve the right, even though you've worked.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: So hard to get there. Just because of Vladimir Puta Okay.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So follow the logic.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So, if you are a Russian athlete, you deserve to
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: compete for yourself. You're not competing for the nation, You're
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: competing for yourself.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: No, but I think that if you've trained so hard
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: for your whole life to get to that moment, why
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: would why should you be shunned just because of it,
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: because of the dictator that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: You think answer your own question.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: No, I still think that they can be able to compete.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Yes, the leader of the country is not necessarily representative
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: of the people. And you go to compete in sport
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: to represent your country, which is the people of your country.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: You don't go there to say I'm here to represent
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: to be a putin. You go to say I'm here
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: to represent Russia, which is the people in Russia who
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: were watching and hoping that a Russian does well. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: we've got to get through a few other things before
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: we get to a break. One, of course, is the
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: story that we were talking about heavily last night, which
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: was of course the threat that caused Anthony Albanezi, the
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Prime Minis, have to leave the lodge. He was taken
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: to a secure location at six o'clock last night, which
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: it now turns out was because a threat was made
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: to the shen Yun performers. Now, shen Yun is a
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: dance troupe that will be performing here over the next
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: couple of months in Australia.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: They are linked to.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Fallon Gong, which is a religious minority that is persecuted
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: in China. Now, this threat said to the shen Yun
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: people that if they performed in Australia there are bombs
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: that have been placed at the lodge and they will
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: be detonated.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Of course, the AFP did the sweep there last night.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: They have found that is not the case.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: But it's concerning that a threat that you would assume
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: has come from some sort of pro CCP operative against
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: an anti CCP group has played out here in Australia.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: But it was interesting to see the response of Pauline
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Hanson today who detailed her own experience with these kinds
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: of threats.
• 33:14
  Speaker 11: I feel for the Prime Minister and his family to
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: have to go through that. It's not a nice feeling.
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: I know because I've been there myself, especially in ninety
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: seven ninety eight, I had threats against my life and
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: I had Federal Pleas protection with me twenty four to
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: seven for eighteen months.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: You know, I get that maybe to some degree, these
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: are the realities of life. But going back to the
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: discussion we were having last night, these are not the
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: things that we should have to put up with in
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: a country like Australia. We see it happen overseas, and
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Hanson made the point today, if we allow this kind
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: of thing to happen, we are no better than these
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: countries and it is not the country that we want
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: to live in where threats against politicians become a daily
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: part of life.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Well, the Federal Police said recently that threats to political
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: leaders have increased sixty five percent in the past four years,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: so they're not exaggerating the fact that this is a
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: real and increasing problem. And there's already enough reasons why
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: someone wouldn't bother to go into politics. This is just
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: another reason why good people would think, you know what,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go and work in the corporate field
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and make a lot more money and have my family
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: live in peace.
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: Well, everybody deserves to be safe in their home and
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: it doesn't matter. And I also agree with what Pauline
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Hanson said there. You can't take your anger out violently.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: If you're upset, you're angry at a government decision, take
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: it out on the ballot box. I do have to
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: say that I thought Anthony Arberinezi's response was a bit
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: odd today. He said, we can't take these. He said,
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: turn the heat down, turn the heat down. And he
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: also put out this statement TOTO on alert but or good.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: Thanks to AFP for your ongoing work and professionalism, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: to people who sent kind messages of care and support.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Well by they at least the TOTO another But no,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: I like that. But the point I was making just
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: before that, turn the heat down again. It's an elbow
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: statement he's been repeating for two and a half years
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: and nobody is listening.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: To turn the heat down.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it is clearly hot at the moment.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And as it turned out, turn the heat down. It
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't a domestic threat as we understand it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It may well have been a foreign threat.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Indeed, hey, before we get to the break, and we
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: told you at the top of the show, we've got
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: this blockbuster response from Alex Antik after he was caught.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Having a beer with Corey.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: But oh my god, I can't.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Believe it are two people who've been friends for a
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: long time having a beer unbelievable. Of course, the intrigue
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: is Antique is a liberal, and Corey is now with
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: one nation. But he has addressed the problem, he says,
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: at approximately four pm, I offered to buy around and predictably,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Corey offered little resistance and allowed me to buy. I
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: returned with two low car beers. This behavior was totally
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: out of character for me, mainly because I would normally
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: play a game of chicken and try to the other
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: person to pay.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I had no idea how much to stress.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: The consumption of low car beers would create on social media.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: It was never my intention to offend anyone by ordering
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: low car beers, but rather suspected that a man as
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: fit an athletic as Corey would demand the same. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: am disappointed in myself, and I know I have let
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: a lot of people down. I am fully committed to
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: bettering myself, and I would be grateful if the press
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: could respect my privacy at this difficult time. Well play
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: to alex Anti that one. I do have to say, though,
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: if you go to the pub and you order a
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: beer in a bottle, that is something of a crime.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Draft beer is better than beer in a bottle. Have
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: a pipe next time, Alex. I'll see you there at
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: the Exeter in Adelaide.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: stick around. When we come back, we'll show you what's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: making news in tomorrow's papers.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: So you hear it here first. That's coming up. Welcome back.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Let's look at what's making headlines tomorrow.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And caleb Isis brides are still in the news.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Indeed they are, as much as the government would wish
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: that they are not an exclusive on the front of
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: the Elves tomorrow. Two more extremists among Australian arsist bride,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Syrian camp chief reveals.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: The head of Syria's Raj.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Internment camp has revealed two additional Australian Arsist brides considered
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: to be extremists, are being held separately from the group
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: of eleven women and twenty three children at the center
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: of a political stalemate over their repatriation.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: The latest revelations.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Come in a group of thirty four women and children
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: inside the camp told The Australian they were shattered at
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: being turned back and appealed to the Australian government to
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: allow them to come home. The camp director Hakamia Ibrahim
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: said the overwhelming majority of Australian women detained in the
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Kurdish controlled camp in north east Syria had displayed no
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: extremist behavior. Oh well, that's of great solace to us.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I suppose they've displayed no extremist behavior, but they are
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: hanging out with extremists.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: Great terrific, I mean, but they still married extremists, you know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: But no, nothing to worry about.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: But if you ask Tony Burke, he said the other
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: day on the ABC, well we know these women, we
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: know them, and some of them are not coherent. So
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: good to know that our national security strategy is based
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: on coherent.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: As you've both said, the extremist behavior was they left
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a wonderful country to go and join an Islamic caliphate.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: And the only reason they want to come home is
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: because the Islamic Caliphate didn't quite work out. So whatever
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: normal behavior they've demonstrated since then, I would have thought
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: is a little beside the point.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Indeed, another story on the front of the ODS tomorrow,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: poor students to leap frog wealthy. Poor students will leap
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: frog wealthier classmates into university degrees next year is the
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Albanezi government legislates subsidies for every disadvantaged student who meets
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: academic entry requirements. Federal Education Minister Jason Clare has outlinedly
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: legislation to give universities extra incentives to enroll more students
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: from poorer families and from the bush. He said, quote,
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: it will guarantee your place at university for everyone from
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: a poor family or from a regional remote location that
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: has what it takes to take on a bachelor degree,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: he told the University's Australia Conference in Canberra on Wednesday night.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: And then he goes on to say, we've done it
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: for indigenous students already, so why can't we do it
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: for poor students. I'm a bit confused because I thought
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: the point of the HEX system was that any student,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: regardless of their wealth, has the opportunity to go to university.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: They simply have to get the right scores and the
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: university then accepts on that basis or not you make
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: the cut, you don't make the cut whatever. If you
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: don't have money to pay for your degree, you borrow
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: the money from the government and then you pay it
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: back once you start working.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Why is this needed?
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: I'm completely confused by this as well, and then what
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: does it is he going to try and change lowering
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: the threshold for people to get into university as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: That's my concern.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: One of the concerns that a kid with better marks
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: in the cities than a kid with marks in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: bush might miss out because the government have decided we
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: want kids in the bush to take those places rather
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: than city kids.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions with that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And as for HEX, by the time most of these
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: kids finish UNI, they won't have to pay a HEX step.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Will they. The Labor government will forgive a.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Hard that's right, Yeah, good point.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the Canberra Times.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: They're dealing with the security threat against the Prime Minister
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: from yesterday.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Threats the new Normal, reads the headline.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: The act's chief police Officer, Deputy Commissioner Scott Lee, says
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: diverse threats will continue to occur after a bomb scare
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: force the Prime Minister to evacuate the lodge on Tuesday night.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: The alleged lodge threat has been linked to a performances
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: by Chinese dance troupe and in its own country. Deputy
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Commissioner Lee cited a lack of trust in institutions and
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: authority as a reason the community needed to be prepared
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: for more disruptions. I think he's got a point there.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe someone might like to address why we have a
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: lack of trust in institutions and why we have a
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: lack of trust in authorities. Maybe solve that and you
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: might not have so many threats. The Commission makes a
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: good point.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Indeed, he raises an excellent point. But again, you know
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: we come back to this point. I mean, it's just
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: saying this is the new normal. Now get used to it. Basically, Well,
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: I don't want to have to get used to it. No,
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: that's not the country I want to live in.
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: No, absolutely not. And again Pauline Hanson made the point before.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: If you're upset or angry with the way the status quo,
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: we're lucky. We live in a democracy. You've got the
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: ballot box. That's we're very, very lucky. Let's go to
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: the Newcastle Herald, a really fascinating story on the front page.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Their tragic case.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: A man charged with murdering his elderly mother at Fern
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: Bay told police he had smothered her with a pillow
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: at her behest after allegedly agreeing to assist in ending
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: her life. Thomas Andrew Tapley had lived with his mother,
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: eighty eight year old Dallas Tapley, at their house for
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: more than a decade before police found her body in
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: December last year. Described by neighbors as quirky but intelligent,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: this man's well known to the community.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Now, his mother had a long.
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: History of serious medical conditions, including mobility issues, and Tapley
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: had acted as her sole career. She had two falls
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: as well. Now this is interesting because he actually called
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: police immediately after smothering his mother. He said, I need
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: to be honest. I just assisted my mother in taking
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: her own life. He told an officer, I held a
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: pillow over her head. She asked me to contact police
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: an hour after doing it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: So police are.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Saying that the pair had kept this pact for their
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: arrangement a secret, but did not make inquiries about legitimate
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: A voluntary assister died.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's so.
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: Sad that that is the case. That the mother wanted
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: to take it. You know, she didn't want to be
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: around it. That's what he claims that. I was going
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: to say two parts. One it's really sad, but two,
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: how do we know, how do we know he's telling
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: the truth?
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: We don't know.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: It becomes an exceedingly difficult case, I suppose. I mean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: look the police through their investigations. I imagine we'll look
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: at every possibility in this case.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: But it poses a really difficult.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Moral quandary, doesn't it, Because if you have made a
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: pact like that, beyond what has happened in this case,
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: which is alleged, if you've made a pact like that
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: and you've done it, you are criminally liable still for
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: having a person Again, I'm not saying he did do this,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: we don't know, but just in general, you are still
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: criminally liable for having done that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, there's no moral quandary that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: would still be against the law to have done that,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: But it's an interesting argument how you prove that?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't very well planned. If that's what happened.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Mum told me to tell police an hour after it
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: was How did they imagine he was ever going to
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: prove that? Anyway, that's all before the courts and we'll
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: see how it plays out.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: A fascinating case on the front of the Advertiser tomorrow.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: By as you rent an interesting idea for the housing
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: crisis and getting young people into being first home bars.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Prospective homeowners will be able to rent two thousand new
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: homes with twenty five percent of rent payments going towards
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: a deposit to buy the homes. The four hundred million
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: dollar taxpayer funded scheme will allow renters to buy the
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: home at a fixed price after two years. Now, of course,
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: we already have this federal system where you can with
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: a five percent deposit the government basically stumps up the
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: rest for you, and the take equity and all this
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: sort of business in the.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: House and an interesting way to do it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: I'm assuming in this case the government owns the property.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: You rent it from them from a period. In doing so,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: you're actually paying the deposit while you're paying the rent,
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: and then at some point you have the chance to
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: buy it. It's almost a bit like what Margaret Thatcher
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: did with the council houses in the UK, where she
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: sold them to the people who were living.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: In Yeah, but you know, still we still have a problem.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: We don't have enough houses in Australia. That's still the problem.
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, they're dishing out all these schemes left, right,
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: and center, but Labor Federally has not achieved not one
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: of its housing targets. They're still housing crisis. So I
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: don't know how.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break, but
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: stick around after the break. Dniko de Giorgio has got
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: her dope of the day. Okay, so I'm going to
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: show you some vision taken from the dashboard of a
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: US police car in just a second, and we'll discuss
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: who gets the bigger shock, the criminal or the garbage man.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: There you go, a criminal had run away from a
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: police stop and hidden in a garbage bin. Unfortunately, he
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: hadn't counted on the fact that the garbos would turn
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: up and starting the right in front of a part
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: and so there he goes policeman hot on the trail.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Who do you reckon got the biggest fright, the gabo
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: or the crim realizing his cover was blown.
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: I feel like the garb He did a little dance
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: just then. The poor bloke was frightened out of his mind.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Look at it wouldn't be I mean, you know, it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: probably not the best place to hide, to be perfectly honest,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, yes, there is pretty smart.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: He just didn't realize it was Friday.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Okay, so there's the outside risk that you get trundled
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: into the track. But imagine hiding in a bin the
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: thing of bloody stink, Like, how would you if I
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: was going to be detected somewhere? I reckon I'd be detected.
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: Like, well, I mean when you're desperate and you're a
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: desperate criminal, Caleb, you've never been a desperate criminal in
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: your life?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you don't want any of the hiding, not a
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: desperate one.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: You're a so you're a fire your best. Now now
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: it is time for.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: The day.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: I felt like I was way too enthusiastic for that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: There was like a few second is there? I am okay,
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: now I have a look at this. Now this is
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, a couple of people do this. There's this
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: image of this is somebody working for a cafe in
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: Kujie in Sydney's Eastern suburbs, a bakery. It's called Grumpy Baker.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: He's actually pouring oil. Would you believe down a storm
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: water drain? This is cooking oil? I mean, why why
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: would you do that? It's my understanding a lot of
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: these restaurants and cafes actually have procedures for things like this,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: for cooking oil off of scraps for veggies. Anyway, the company, naturally,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: this Grumpy Bakery, They've said, well, this can't go on,
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: and they have since confirmed that the man was a
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: staff member and he has indeed been sacked.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: But how on earth where do you get that from.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Well, they're updating their training procedures.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: So yeah, but still, I mean, isn't it a bit
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: obvious James that you don't put cooking oil down at
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: a drain.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: You do it at the back, wouldn't you rather than
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: at the front of the store.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: It's pretty slippery behavior.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: But I mean, for goodness sake, like, why would you
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: do it publicly in front of people?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Of course you're going to get caught. And the problem
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: is that all this stuff gets caught.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Up in the sewerage system, right because fat, which is
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: what it is, will solidify if it's cold enough, you
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: know what they call these things when it all sort
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: of milds together in the.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Suits fat burgs.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: They get big fat burgs that they have to go
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: and take out someone who you might want to take out.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Have a good word with them.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: These bloody posters and couriers who say.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: You're not home or they can't deliver, and you're there.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: Here's one of them.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: He's literally the woman's house in a baggert I can't
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: be bothered looking for it and driven off doing your
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: job so irritating.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Pretend to sort of shuffle a packages around and sorry,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: it's not my kids doing the dishes. How about the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: barbecue skills, Let's not talk about that. That's all we've
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: got time for is stick around. Coming up in just
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: a moment is to read a Panahy show good night,