Latest / Reformed Thinking / The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan - The Slough of Despond
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- 0:00Sound of reformed thinking, podcast intro Music fading.
- 0:03Welcome to the deep dive. Today we're opening up a a real
- 0:08classic. We're going to get into the
- 0:09initial scenes of a very significant allegorical story,
- 0:13one that lays out a spiritual path and everything we talk
- 0:16about. It's coming straight from our
- 0:18source material. Notes and excerpts from this
- 0:20well known work. That's right.
- 0:21And our aim in this deep dive really is just to unpack what's
- 0:24going on in these opening moments.
- 0:26What are these first challenges these first scenes tell us all
- 0:29Based the text itself, of course.
- 0:31OK, let's jump in. So we first meet Christian, our
- 0:33main character, just after this other fellow, obstinate has
- 0:37already turned back, right? Christian's walking along, but
- 0:40he's with someone else now, pliable.
- 0:42And right away, the source tells us, Christian has this central
- 0:45problem. He's carrying out well, a heavy
- 0:48burden upon his back. Yeah, and the source really
- 0:50makes you picture it, doesn't It talks about it being literally
- 0:53on his back, upon his back. It even effects how he moves,
- 0:57his burden manner. The text calls it a heavy
- 1:00burden. It's very physical in the
- 1:01description. So what kind of effects does the
- 1:04source say this burden actually has on him?
- 1:06It sounds like it's more than just, you know, uncomfortable.
- 1:08Oh definitely. The text makes it clear.
- 1:10It really slows him down. He says himself I cannot go so
- 1:14fast as I would. And it affects his family life
- 1:17too, his relationships. He says he loses pleasure in his
- 1:20wife and children. Feels as if I had none.
- 1:23That's a quite serious. It is.
- 1:24It causes him great distress. He even says it's more terrible
- 1:28than a whole list of dangers the source gives, like weariness,
- 1:32pain, hunger, lions, death, all sorts of things.
- 1:36So this burden, it's causing intense internal suffering and
- 1:40he feels stuck with it, He says I cannot get the burden off
- 1:43myself, and apparently no one in his country can help him either.
- 1:46Right. And later on, doesn't Mr.
- 1:47worldly wise man notice this? He does.
- 1:50He sees Christian's laborious going and his size and groans,
- 1:53sees it as clear evidence of this heavy load he's carrying.
- 1:57And where did this burden come from?
- 1:59How did he get it according to the source?
- 2:01The text links it directly to reading.
- 2:03It says it came upon him by reading this book in my hand.
- 2:06Interesting. So it's tied to this book he's
- 2:08reading. But OK, even with this awful
- 2:10burden, Christian is actually heading somewhere, isn't he?
- 2:13He's got this great hope and he tells Pliable about it.
- 2:16What's the destination like? Based on the source?
- 2:19Ah. Yes, the source paints this
- 2:22picture of an endless Kingdom. It talks about everlasting life.
- 2:26There are crowns of glory, shining garments so bright
- 2:30people shine like the sun. It's described as a place with
- 2:34no more sorrow, no more crying because God will wipe all tears
- 2:37from our eyes. Quite a contrast to his current
- 2:40state A. Huge contrast and the company
- 2:42there is amazing to Seraphims and cherubims.
- 2:45Thousands upon thousands of loving and holy people.
- 2:48It even mentions those who suffer terribly in the world but
- 2:50are now all well and clothed with immortality.
- 2:54That really does sound like an incredible promise.
- 2:56How does the source say someone gets these things?
- 2:58It's quite. Specific The governor of the
- 3:00country, it says, has recorded it in that same book.
- 3:03If a person is truly willing to receive it, he will bestow it
- 3:07upon us freely. Freely given just requires being
- 3:11truly willing. That seems like a key detail
- 3:13from the source and pliable. How does he react when he first
- 3:18hears all this? Well, initially he's really
- 3:21taken with it, the source says. Hearing it was very pleasant to
- 3:24him. It even says it was enough to
- 3:26ravish one's heart. He gets all eager and wants to
- 3:29mend our pace. Hurry up.
- 3:30So he's excited at first. Very, which is different from
- 3:33Obstinate, who turned back earlier.
- 3:36Christian thinks Obstinate just didn't feel the powers and
- 3:38terrors of what is yet unseen, the things that were driving
- 3:42Christian forward despite his burden.
- 3:44Right. OK, so they're feeling hopeful.
- 3:47Pliable's keen to hurry, and then they hit the first real
- 3:50snag. What happens next?
- 3:52Well, the text says, just after this conversation, they come up
- 3:55to a very miry slow right in the middle of the plane they're
- 3:59crossing. A slew like a bog.
- 4:01Exactly. And it says they were heedless,
- 4:03not paying attention, and they both fall suddenly into the bog.
- 4:06It's actually got a name. Despond.
- 4:08Despond. OK, and they're stuck.
- 4:10They wallowed for a time, being grievously bedaubbed with the
- 4:12dirt just covered in muck. And Christian situation in this
- 4:16Slough, it connects back to his burden again, doesn't it?
- 4:19Yes, the source points that out. It says because of the burden
- 4:22that was upon his back, Christian started to sink in the
- 4:25mire. The weight is pulling him down.
- 4:28So how does pliable handle this getting suddenly stuck in the
- 4:31mud? Pliable.
- 4:33Oh, he reacts immediately and he's not happy.
- 4:37He began to be offended and angrily said to his fellow.
- 4:41What did he say? He basically demands is this the
- 4:43happiness you have told me all this while of He's shocked,
- 4:47worried about what else might happen if things are this bad
- 4:50right at the start. And what does he decide to do?
- 4:52He makes up his mind pretty fast.
- 4:54He declares, May I get out again with my life?
- 4:57You shall possess the brave country alone for me.
- 4:59He's giving up. Completely.
- 5:01He makes a desperate struggle or two, manages to get out, but
- 5:04crucially he gets out on the side which was next to his own
- 5:08house. So he heads back the way he
- 5:10came. That's it.
- 5:11So away he went, and Christian saw him no more.
- 5:14And the source tells us a bit about what happened to Pliable
- 5:17when he got home. It does.
- 5:18It says his neighbors had, well, mixed reactions.
- 5:21Some thought he was wise to come back.
- 5:23Others called him a fool. Some made fun of him for being
- 5:26scared, but then it's as later as Pliable got more confidence.
- 5:31They sort of changed their tune. They all turn their tails and
- 5:35began to drive poor Christian behind his back.
- 5:38So Christian gets left behind, not just physically but in
- 5:41reputation too, it seems. And he's still stuck in the
- 5:44slow. Still stuck, the source says.
- 5:46He tries to get out, struggling towards the wicked gate, his
- 5:49goal, but he just could not get out because of the burden that
- 5:53was upon his back. That burden is always the issue.
- 5:56But then someone to help? Yes, just when he's struggling,
- 6:00a man named Help shows up. Help asks him, You know, why are
- 6:03you here? Christian explains that
- 6:06Evangelist sent him towards the gate to escape the coming wrath,
- 6:09and he just fell in here on the way.
- 6:11And help asks about some steps. Right Help asks why he didn't
- 6:15look for the steps, and Christian's answer is quite
- 6:18telling, I think. He says fear followed me so hard
- 6:21that I fled the next way and fell in.
- 6:23He was running from fear and wasn't looking carefully.
- 6:26Then the narrator asks help this really fundamental question,
- 6:29doesn't he? Since this bog is right on the
- 6:32main pass, why isn't it fixed? Why isn't it mended that poor
- 6:36travelers might go thither with more security?
- 6:39And help gives a very detailed answer straight from the source.
- 6:42He says this miry slow is such a place as cannot be mended.
- 6:47Cannot be mended. Why not?
- 6:48Because, Help explains, it's the place where the scum and filth
- 6:52that attends conviction for sin does continually run.
- 6:56It's like a drain for all the negative feelings that come with
- 6:59recognizing one's sinfulness. So.
- 7:01It's an allegory for what, exactly?
- 7:02Help clarifies As the Sinner is awakened about his lost
- 7:06condition, there arises in his soul many fears and doubts and
- 7:09discouraging apprehensions, which all of them get together
- 7:12and settle in this place. That's why the ground is so bad
- 7:15there. It's the accumulation of despair
- 7:17from conviction. That's a, well, a very vivid
- 7:19picture, not just mud, but the internal state of someone under
- 7:22conviction. Did the source say people trying
- 7:24to fix it? Yes, it mentions that the king
- 7:27doesn't actually want it to be this bad.
- 7:29Laborers have apparently been working on it for above these
- 7:321600 years. Wow.
- 7:34A long time. A very long time, and they've
- 7:36brought millions of wholesome instructions, which the text
- 7:40calls the best materials. But despite all that effort,
- 7:43Help says it is the slow of despond still.
- 7:47So human efforts, instructions, yeah, They don't ultimately
- 7:51solve this problem of despondency arising from
- 7:54conviction. That seems to be what the source
- 7:56suggests. All those instructions, all that
- 7:58work, haven't changed its fundamental nature.
- 8:01It will be the slow of despond when they have done what they
- 8:04can. But there is a way through it
- 8:05mentioned in the text. Yes, there is help points out
- 8:08that by the direction of the lawgiver, there are certain good
- 8:11and substantial steps placed even through the very midst of
- 8:14the slow. Steps OK.
- 8:16These steps are the intended way across, but there's a catch.
- 8:20When the slow is churning up all that filth, the steps are hardly
- 8:23seen. Or sometimes people are just too
- 8:25dizzy, too panicked maybe from that fear Christian mentioned.
- 8:28And they miss the steps even if they are visible.
- 8:31And they still get covered in mire.
- 8:32Right, but help does add that the ground is good when they are
- 8:36once got in at the gate. So the trouble is mainly getting
- 8:39there and negating this slow. OK, so help assist.
- 8:44Christian pulls him out, explains the nature of the slow
- 8:47and the steps, and Christian carries on alone again, heading
- 8:50for the gate. Who does he meet next?
- 8:52His next encounter is with a gentleman whose name was Mr.
- 8:56Worldly Wise Man. Worldly wise man, the name says
- 8:59a lot. Where's he from?
- 9:00He lives in a town called Carnal Policy.
- 9:03Again, the names are quite suggestive in this source.
- 9:05Definitely. So how does this Mr. worldly
- 9:08wise man approach Christian? What does he notice?
- 9:11Well, he sees Christians struggling along the laborious
- 9:14going the size and groans, and he notices he's still covered in
- 9:18the dirt of the slow of Despond. So he sees the evidence of
- 9:22Christians struggles. Yes, and he immediately jumps to
- 9:24a conclusion. Christian must be on a dangerous
- 9:27and troublesome way. And what's his main advice for
- 9:30Christian? His number one piece of counsel
- 9:32is direct with all speed. Get thyself rid of thy burden.
- 9:36Just get rid of it. Yes, he insists.
- 9:39Christian will never be settled in your mind till then, nor
- 9:42canst thou enjoy the benefits of the blessing which God hath
- 9:45bestowed upon thee till then. His solution is all about
- 9:49removing the burden to find peace and enjoy life's
- 9:51blessings. And he's pretty critical of the
- 9:53path Christian was actually on the 1 towards the wicked.
- 9:56Gate. Oh, very critical.
- 9:57He calls it the most dangerous and troublesome way in the
- 10:00world. He says the slew of Despond was
- 10:03just the beginning of the Sorrows, warning him about many
- 10:06more dangers ahead on that route.
- 10:08Does he say why Christian is in this state?
- 10:10He sort of blames Christian, suggesting his problems come
- 10:13from meddling with things too high for them, implying this
- 10:16focus on his burden on conviction is maybe unnecessary
- 10:20or getting him into trouble. So wordly, Wise Man offers an
- 10:23alternative path, a different way to handle the burden.
- 10:26That's exactly it. He offers a way to find relief,
- 10:29to get ease from the burden, but without the dangers he claims
- 10:32are on Christian's current path. He points him towards a village
- 10:35called Morality. Morality.
- 10:37OK, And who does he say lives there?
- 10:40Who can help? He recommends A gentleman named
- 10:42Legality. Worldly Wiseman praises him,
- 10:46calls him a very judicious man and a man of a very good name,
- 10:50someone who has the skill to help men off with such burdens.
- 10:54Skillful at removing burdens. Yes, and if legality isn't
- 10:57available, his son Civility can apparently help too.
- 11:01Worldly Wiseman really sells this path, claiming it offers
- 11:05much safety, friendship and content.
- 11:07Any other benefits mentioned? Yes, practical ones too, he
- 11:10says. Living in a reality is cheap,
- 11:12and Christian would be among honest neighbors in credit and
- 11:15good fashion. It sounds respectable, secure,
- 11:18socially acceptable. Quite different from wallowing
- 11:21in a slow. So the source presents this
- 11:24contrast, the difficult path towards the gate, versus this
- 11:27seemingly easier, safer, more socially acceptable path offered
- 11:30by worldly wise men involving legality and civility in the
- 11:34village of morality. Right, it's set up as a clear
- 11:36choice. How does Christian react?
- 11:38He's desperate to lose the burden.
- 11:40He is, the source says. He was somewhat at a stand.
- 11:42He hesitated for a moment, but then presently he concluded.
- 11:46If this be true, my wisest course is to take his advice.
- 11:49He buys it. He does.
- 11:51He's persuaded that this alternative way sounds better,
- 11:54wiser for getting rid of the burden.
- 11:56So he actually turns off his original path, the one leading
- 11:59to the wicket gate, and starts heading towards Mr. Legality's
- 12:03house in Morality. And what happens almost
- 12:05immediately as he takes this new path?
- 12:07Well, worldly wise man had mentioned going by that hill as
- 12:10Christian gets near it, the source says the hill looks so
- 12:13high and the side next to the path did hang so much over that
- 12:17Christian becomes terrified. He's afraid to venture further,
- 12:20lest the hill should fall on his head.
- 12:22Just the look of the hill is frightening, but there's more.
- 12:25Isn't there something else about the hill?
- 12:27Yes, a really alarming detail, the text says.
- 12:30There came also flashes of fire out of the hill fire.
- 12:34So now he's afraid he should be burned.
- 12:36Wow. So this path to legality,
- 12:38supposedly safer, immediately presents this terrifying, fiery
- 12:42overhanging hill. How does this affect Christian?
- 12:44He's absolutely terrified, the source says.
- 12:47He sweat and did quake for fear. And here's the crucial part.
- 12:51His burden, the very thing he turned aside to get rid of more
- 12:54easily, now seemed heavier to him than while he was in his way
- 12:58towards the gate. It got worse.
- 13:01Taking the easier path made the burden feel heavier.
- 13:04That's what the source says. The attempt to find an easier
- 13:07way avoiding the Slough and the narrow gate led him to a place
- 13:10of greater fear and a heavier feeling burden.
- 13:13So where does that leave him at the end of this section?
- 13:15It leaves him stopped dead in his tracks, shaking with fear,
- 13:19completely unsure what to do next.
- 13:21And the text says he began to be sorry that he had taken Mr.
- 13:25Worldly Wise Men's counsel. Deep regret setting in already.
- 13:28OK, let's just recap what we've seen in these initial scenes
- 13:31based on the source. Christian starts with this heavy
- 13:33burden linked to reading a book, causing him immense distress but
- 13:37also giving him hope for a future destination.
- 13:40He immediately hits the Slough of Despond, representing as help
- 13:44explains the fears and doubts from conviction for sin.
- 13:47It's a place human effort can't fix, though there are steps
- 13:50provided. Right.
- 13:51And his companion, Pliable, quickly gives up when things get
- 13:54messy. Christian gets help, learns
- 13:56about the Slough, but then meets worldly wise man.
- 13:59Who offers what seems like a much easier, more respectable
- 14:03way to get rid of the burden? Go see legality in the Village
- 14:06of Morality. Avoid the hard path.
- 14:08But the moment Christian takes that advice, he runs into this
- 14:10terrifying hill that flashes fire.
- 14:13His fear increases and his burden feels even heavier.
- 14:16He ends up regretting his choice.
- 14:18Yeah, the source really lays out these two distinct ways of
- 14:21dealing with that initial burden and conviction, doesn't it?
- 14:24One path involves facing the difficulty like the Slough,
- 14:27relying on help, well, like help, and looking for the given
- 14:30steps. The other involves seeking
- 14:32relief through human systems, rules, worldly advice, legality,
- 14:36morality, civility. And that second path, according
- 14:40to this text, immediately leads to greater fear and a heavier
- 14:43load right by that hill. It certainly makes you think
- 14:46about where the source suggests real relief is found, doesn't
- 14:48it? When you're facing that kind of
- 14:50burden or conviction, which path actually leads towards ease,
- 14:54even if it looks harder at first?
- 14:56A very pointed question raised by these early encounters.
- 15:00Definitely something to ponder. Well, that's all we have time
- 15:03for in this deep dive. Thanks for walking through this
- 15:05with me. Good discussion.
- 15:07My pleasure. And thank you for listening to
- 15:09the deep dive.