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ALL ALONE! Cult-Mom LORI VALLOW legal team and judge QUIT CASE! WHY?? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Greece is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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Speaker 1: You'd have to be living in a cave or under
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Speaker 1: a rot not to have heard of so called cult
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Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo. Her husband Charles Valo gets shot dead
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Speaker 1: and she marries Chad day Bell and his wife just
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Speaker 1: died two weeks before. That's quite the coincidence how it
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Speaker 1: worked out so well for those two. They rush off
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Speaker 1: to Hawaii, but nobody can find her children, Tyley and JJ. Okay,
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Speaker 1: here's the update. In the last hours, two defense lawyers
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Speaker 1: and the judge walk off the cult Mom Laurie Valo case,
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Speaker 1: which loves us wondering why is because Laurie Valo refuses
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Speaker 1: to say whether her children are dead or alive. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories Tip stage with Nancy Green.
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Speaker 1: Your children are missing, You're not worried about your neon
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Speaker 1: pink lipstick, your Mermaid curls, and your blue toe nail polish.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learned that cult Mom Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo day Belled had a walkout, two of her lawyers quit,
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Speaker 1: and the judge recuses himself what's going on this as
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Speaker 1: we managed to get our myths on court documents. It's
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Speaker 1: called discovery and it's what the state under the law
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Speaker 1: must hand over to the defense in preparation for a trial.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation, a series XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven Triumph. First of all, let's start it off
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Speaker 1: with our friend at Fox thirteen, Utah, Adam Herbert's. Within
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Speaker 1: two weeks of Tammy's death, Chad married Laurie Vallo, who,
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Speaker 1: as you remember, has been a widow now for about
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Speaker 1: three months. On November twenty sixth, family members started to
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Speaker 1: get concerned they hadn't heard from the kids, JJ or Tyley.
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Speaker 1: They asked for a welfare check, and police said the
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Speaker 1: newlyweds lied about the children's location. We've gotten it's pretty
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Speaker 1: much the runaround. I don't know what happened to those kids.
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Speaker 1: I know that there's people who do and they're not talking,
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Speaker 1: who've used the word ac cult. What do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that? Their focus is just so much on the
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Speaker 1: end of the world, and you know this idea that
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Speaker 1: it's coming. The next day, Rexburg police served a search warrant.
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Speaker 1: They found out Chad and Lorie left their home abruptly,
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Speaker 1: so they called in the FBI. If I could say
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Speaker 1: anything to them, I would just say tell the truth,
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Speaker 1: you know. At this point, police termined the death of
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Speaker 1: Chad's wife, Tammy Day Bell, may be suspicious, so on
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Speaker 1: December eleventh, they went to her grave site in Springville
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Speaker 1: and exhumed her body for further testing. The day after that,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's brother Alex Cox, died in Gilbert, Arizona, m
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Speaker 1: As the bodies pile up, cult a mom, Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: insists on remaining silence as to the whereabout of her children.
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Speaker 1: Now that's really odd. I mean, it seems to me
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Speaker 1: that if you want to get out of jail and
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Speaker 1: you have nothing to hide, you'd say my children or
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Speaker 1: with all my friends at the cult, they're preparing for
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Speaker 1: the end of the world, which I believe, according to
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, is going to happen on July twenty, twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: and only one hundred and forty thousand people are going
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Speaker 1: to make it to heaven. So I guess, Jackie, I mean,
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Speaker 1: from what I know about you and me, we're both out.
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna make it. We're in trouble, as if
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Speaker 1: we already didn't know that. With me, an all star
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Speaker 1: panel joining me, Daryl co and former felony prosecutor in
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Speaker 1: intercity Atlanta, now defense attorney Scott Hall. And apparently nobody
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Speaker 1: will help this woman get a bond Gee. I wonder
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Speaker 1: why Scott Hall, Belle Bondsman pass present National Association professional
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Speaker 1: bosman at Scott Geehall dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, touted as a death investigator,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining us and renowned psychiatrists joining me
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold, and boy
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Speaker 1: do we need a shrink? And I say that in
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Speaker 1: the most loving and caring way, doctor Arnold, And right
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Speaker 1: now to East Idaho News dot com. Nate Eaton, Nate
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Speaker 1: eat It's great to have you. For those of you
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Speaker 1: that don't know it was Nate Eaton running along beside
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Speaker 1: Lorie Vallo and her brand new groom just two weeks
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Speaker 1: after his last wife's death. Intersleep, what a coincidence? Running
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Speaker 1: along beside? I'm asking them questions in Hawaii, Like, where
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Speaker 1: are your children? Nate Eaton, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I just got my mits on some court documents. It's
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Speaker 1: the discovery, initial discovery by far, not the end of it,
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Speaker 1: and it has a lot of information on here, including
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Speaker 1: I'm really interested in this body cam video from cops.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out what's on that bodycam video.
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Speaker 1: But let's just start at the beginning, Nate Eaton, Bobshell,
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Speaker 1: why are all of called mom Laurie VALA's lawyers walking
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Speaker 1: off the job? Yeah, this is kind of startling. You know,
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Speaker 1: she hired three attorneys at the beginning, and just days ago,
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Speaker 1: two of them said we're done, resigned from the case.
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Speaker 1: This was the same day that her legal defense team
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Speaker 1: asked the judge to recuse himself. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Nate
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Speaker 1: Eaton that it just puts off a bomb in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Nate Aden to Daryl Cohen, defense attorney, former prosecutor, Daryl,
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Speaker 1: you and I prosecuted a lot of cases in intercity Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Never a lack of business, Daryl. When you ask a
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Speaker 1: judge to recuse themselves, you're basically you know, you're firing
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Speaker 1: the first salvo. That's like setting off a bomb in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. When you ask a judge to recuse themselves
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Speaker 1: off the case, that's essentially saying you're not fit for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason to hear this case. And don't you know
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Speaker 1: all the other judges and the judges lounge are talking
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Speaker 1: about it. Oh, Nancy, let's start with we asked the
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Speaker 1: judge to recuse Chimith. Starting with that, and the judge
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Speaker 1: doesn't do it. Do you really think you're going to
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Speaker 1: get a favorable ruling? What it could go either way?
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Speaker 1: Not happening now? And you're right, all of the judge
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Speaker 1: is just like regular people. They talk, and you are
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Speaker 1: going to find yourself in a big ball of trouble. Now,
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Speaker 1: they're time I've ever heard that. It's had a technical
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Speaker 1: legal term, a big ball of trouble. I would say,
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Speaker 1: I was gonna quote you on that, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna steal that from me. I'm gonna let you have
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Speaker 1: that saying all to yourself, a big ball of trouble.
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Speaker 1: But you're right, Daryl, because the judge, if there's a
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Speaker 1: close call and he's ill with the lawyer, which way
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Speaker 1: do you think the judge is going to go? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I mean so many judges, Mad. You do know, Darryl,
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Speaker 1: that I had three felony Superior court judges have a
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Speaker 1: heart attack while I was trying cases in front of them.
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Speaker 1: I'm not proud, well, not really proud. Jackie quit laughing.
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Speaker 1: It's true. Three judges had a heart attack when I
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Speaker 1: was trying to case in front of them. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't make take much to get a judge, mad.
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, what this means is this, unless they get
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Speaker 1: a change in venue, they're going to be trying this
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Speaker 1: case in front of one of the judge's friends. Explain, well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that's true. But I'm wondering because I need to know more.
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Speaker 1: And I always say that, of course, but I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if this judge had just had it with her and
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Speaker 1: her dead and three defense lawyers and was just delighted
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Speaker 1: to get off of this case because I don't want
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Speaker 1: to deal with anymore, because this woman wouldn't recognize the
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Speaker 1: truth but hit her in the face. So there's always
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Speaker 1: a chance that when they said we want you to
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Speaker 1: be recused, just said, I'm out of hearer. You know,
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Speaker 1: got it, I'm taking the patent turner pat the street
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Speaker 1: and turned the corner. I'm telling you, okay, Nate Eaton,
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Speaker 1: we had a little aside there, Nate Eaton were with
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Speaker 1: me East Idaho News dot Com ChRI investigative reporter. Nate,
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Speaker 1: you have been chasing this woman, trying to get to
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Speaker 1: the truth of where her children are, if they're dead
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Speaker 1: or alive. From the get go. You've given me two bombs.
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Speaker 1: Else all of her lawyers so far, two of them
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Speaker 1: have walked off the case. They quit, and that's I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go back to you in a minute, Darryl.
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Speaker 1: That's hard to do because I have seen judges force
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Speaker 1: a lawyer to stay on the case. For instance, if
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Speaker 1: they were already prepared for trial, they knew the case
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Speaker 1: like the back of their hand, and then suddenly the
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Speaker 1: defendant wants a new lawyer. Uh no, he makes the judge.
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Speaker 1: The judge makes the person stay on the case. So, Nate,
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Speaker 1: we've had two lawyers walk off and a judge recuses himself.
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Speaker 1: Tell me what you know, Nate Eton. Well, we know
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Speaker 1: that the one remaining attorney came out with a statement
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Speaker 1: just days ago that said, my client is innocent. She
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Speaker 1: should you have the presumption of innocent until this goes
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Speaker 1: to trial. The preliminary hearing that was supposed to happen
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Speaker 1: this week. This is where the state goes in and
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Speaker 1: presents all their evidence and tries to convince the judge
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Speaker 1: that they have enough for these spelony charges. That's been
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Speaker 1: pushed back until May. Okay, well, well let me take
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Speaker 1: let me take that in. She was supposed to have
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Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing in a matter of days, and that
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Speaker 1: has now been delayed. Is that correct, That's correct. It's
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Speaker 1: been delayed two months. So the state's going to gather
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Speaker 1: there are going to fly and witnesses from Hawaii we
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Speaker 1: know hopefully, and then they'll go before the judge and
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Speaker 1: basically it's a mini trial for two days. They're gonna
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Speaker 1: count their case and try to prove that Maurie Valo
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Speaker 1: did indeed desert her children. The judge will then say,
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Speaker 1: all right, we have enough here to advance this to
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Speaker 1: the district court, which is then okay. You know, I
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Speaker 1: never thought i'd accuse you of this night eight, but
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Speaker 1: now you're talking legal mumbo jumbo climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about cult mom Laurie Valo in the
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Speaker 1: last hours, two lawyers have walked off the case. I
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Speaker 1: wonder why, because just think about all the p are
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Speaker 1: these lawyers are getting. This could pay the way for
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Speaker 1: them to expand their practice. You know, like Mark Garrig Gates.
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Speaker 1: We're all familiar with Mark. He's a long time sparring
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Speaker 1: partner of mine. But the more high profile cases he gets,
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Speaker 1: the more clients he gets, the bigger his practice becomes.
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Speaker 1: That's what a lot of lawyers want. I was very
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Speaker 1: happy prosecuting murders. I wasn't trying to build a practice.
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Speaker 1: But that's the dream of many lawyers. And why shouldn't
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Speaker 1: it be Two of them walk off and the judge
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Speaker 1: recuses himself, he walks off too. I take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our friends, this is inside info. Listen. January
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Speaker 1: thirtieth or thirty first of last year, Laurie took off.
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Speaker 1: That's when she and Charles separated, and that's when I
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Speaker 1: started got really involved helping Charles with JJ and Phoenix.
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Speaker 1: We live in late Charles, Louisiana. Because Laurie was gone
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Speaker 1: fifty eight days, never phone call, never attacks, nothing back
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Speaker 1: In February, Charles and I had a conversation that he
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Speaker 1: had a million dollar life insurance policy at that point
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Speaker 1: and lawyer was beneficiary. He said he wanted me to
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Speaker 1: be the beneficiary, and he said, well, I figure that
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Speaker 1: with what's Laurie's saying. She doesn't want JJ anymore, she
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Speaker 1: doesn't want me, So you know, I feel like you
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Speaker 1: and Larry will end up back with JJ again to
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Speaker 1: raise to finish raising, and I don't know that he'll
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Speaker 1: ever be able to live independently again as an adult.
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Speaker 1: So I want you to have that money. And he
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Speaker 1: told me how to split it, and knowing I would
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Speaker 1: follow through with what he wanted with his wishes. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you were just hearing the children's grandmother, Kay Woodcock, speaking
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Speaker 1: to me here on crime Stories. And that's the first
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Speaker 1: anyone learned that called mom. Laurie Valo's husband, Charles Valot,
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Speaker 1: now dead, had changed his will, had changed his life
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Speaker 1: insurance policy. She caught Mom was no longer the beneficiary.
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Speaker 1: She left the children, didn't even call to inquire about
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Speaker 1: them for fifty eight days. So the husband, Charles Valo,
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Speaker 1: changes the beneficiary to his sister, Kaywoocock, also the children's grandmother.
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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. When Charles Valo was killed, Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo still believed she was the beneficiary to a million
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Speaker 1: dollar life insurance policy. Where does that leave us today?
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Speaker 1: In the last hours. Bombshell documents that we've obtained from
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Speaker 1: the courthouse from the State of Idaho initial discovery disclosure
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Speaker 1: joining me Darrel Cohen, Scott Hall, Joe Scott Morgan, doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, and Nate Eaton, Scott Hall, Bill bonds a
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Speaker 1: mon At Scott ge Hall dot com. Scott Apparently none
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Speaker 1: of the bonding companies not only have a lawyer's quit,
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Speaker 1: the judge has left the case. Now, no Bill Bosman
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Speaker 1: will grant her a bill? What will help her? Explain
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Speaker 1: what a bosman would be doing to help Vali get
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Speaker 1: out of jail. Well, it's important, Nancy, It's important to
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Speaker 1: understand the purpose of bail is to guarantee her appearance.
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Speaker 1: That's all it's about. It's to guarantee the appearance of
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Speaker 1: the accused for all court days. And a bondsman's being
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Speaker 1: asked to basically co sign a million dollar alone. And
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Speaker 1: you know, the defense attorneys are runner around saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: this bond is excessive. Well, bail should be sufficient to
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Speaker 1: guarantee that shouldn't be excessive. However, no judge should ever
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Speaker 1: be pressured to issue an insufficient bond. And that's what
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Speaker 1: it appears to me. I mean, it's not meant to
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Speaker 1: be affordable, it's meant to be sufficient to guarantee her appearance.
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Speaker 1: And in this case, Scott Bell bondsman, it was five
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Speaker 1: million dollars was set for her by the judge in
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Speaker 1: Hawaii where she and her new husband, Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: where I guess you could say honeymooning after she dumped
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Speaker 1: her children. Guy knows where she got extradite and brought
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Speaker 1: back to Idahoe. That judge reduced her bond in a
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Speaker 1: shock move, to one million. And Scott Hall, isn't it
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Speaker 1: true that on a million dollar bond, all you really
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Speaker 1: have to put up is one hundred thousand dollars you
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Speaker 1: put up ten percent? Correct? That is correct? In some
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Speaker 1: cases they put down far less than that, and meant
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Speaker 1: some cases the bonding company will actually finance the ten
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Speaker 1: percent feet So theoretically you could put down ten thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars if a idiot bondsman was willing to do that
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Speaker 1: and expose himself because he's signing on the line for
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Speaker 1: that potential million dollar liability, and I mean Scott Hall
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Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at the track wreck.
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Speaker 1: The cops came to her door, going, hey, the grandparents
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Speaker 1: want to see the children. Where are they? And she goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're so and so the cops come back the next
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Speaker 1: day after they find out the children are not visiting
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Speaker 1: relatives and she has cleared out the home. She's gone
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. Finally tracked down in Hawaii. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, how did you find her in Hawaii? Anyway? Well,
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Speaker 1: we got a pretty solid tip that she was hanging
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Speaker 1: out there, and we waited a little little couple days
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Speaker 1: to go down there, and we just happened to get
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Speaker 1: a tip from law enforcements and right then we happened
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Speaker 1: to be at the right place at the right time.
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Speaker 1: I wish there was more of a story right now,
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Speaker 1: aren't you with the East Idaho News? Yeah, we're timing
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Speaker 1: how did you happen to be in Kawai, Hawaii? Because
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense to me. We got happened to
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Speaker 1: be there at her pool tony four out. We got
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Speaker 1: a kip twenty four hours before this all went down,
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Speaker 1: So we booked a ticket. We were on a plane.
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Speaker 1: We didn't know what was going to happen. We had
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Speaker 1: clue if we would even see her. We got there
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Speaker 1: and then you're like running along beside them, and you
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Speaker 1: actually said, hey, we're all praying for your children. What
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Speaker 1: was her response? That was the only question she answered.
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Speaker 1: I asked twenty nine questions in three minutes. The only
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Speaker 1: thing she responded to is when I said there's people
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Speaker 1: around the country praying for you, praying for your children,
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Speaker 1: she said, that's great. So, Scott Hall, Bill Bondsman, you've
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Speaker 1: already had her fleet. Did your assiction flee the continental
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Speaker 1: US and head to Hawaii? So would you give her
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Speaker 1: a bond? Would you help her out? Let's look at
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Speaker 1: the fact she left Arizona after the suspicious death her husband.
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Speaker 1: She left Idaho after police attempted to perform a whale
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Speaker 1: chair check. She misled law enforcement about the whereabouts the children.
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Speaker 1: She refused to court order to produce her children. Her
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Speaker 1: fourth husband's dead, her brother's dead, and her current husband's
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Speaker 1: wife is dead. No, I don't think i'd do that bond. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of dead bodies pile to Joe
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Speaker 1: s got Morgan another concern. While the chief concern in
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Speaker 1: my mind is that her children are unaccounted for, could
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Speaker 1: you tell me what you make of the photos that
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Speaker 1: the FBI. You know, it's a bad sign when the
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Speaker 1: FBI is digging through your cell phone and they're releasing
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Speaker 1: the last known photos of your children at Yellowstone. The
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Speaker 1: children have never been seen since. I gotta get my
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Speaker 1: dates correct, but I don't believe they've been seen since
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Speaker 1: that photo at Yellowstone. Joe Scott, tell me what you
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Speaker 1: think about Colt mom taking the children to Yellowstone. For
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Speaker 1: those of us that have been to Yellowstone, Nancy, it
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Speaker 1: is vast, vast, vast, and this area where they lived
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Speaker 1: in Rexburg is not actually too far from like the
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Speaker 1: southern border of this It's a vast place. If you
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Speaker 1: wanted to lose someone, it would be a prime location.
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Speaker 1: Just let me give you an example, Nancy. It's a
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Speaker 1: very inhospitable place to be this time of year. It's
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Speaker 1: two degrees up there right now, Nancy, and you've got
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Speaker 1: these kids that have been dumped there apparently, or were
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Speaker 1: last seen there months and months and months ago. I
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Speaker 1: have trouble keeping up with the dates as well, because
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Speaker 1: there's so many people actors involved in this thing, including
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Speaker 1: all of these dead people. So my suspicion, going back
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Speaker 1: to what Scott had mentioned, as a balls bosman, I
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Speaker 1: have to look at the facts as well as a
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Speaker 1: death investigator and think, well, if all of these other
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Speaker 1: people have met these very suspicious circumstances. I'm thinking this
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Speaker 1: about the kids we had mentioned just a moment ago.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have this court hearing in May. That's going
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Speaker 1: to be a very interesting time, Nancy, because Yellowstone is
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Speaker 1: going to be in the middle of the spring fall
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Speaker 1: at that time. Now, I hate to be more of
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Speaker 1: it about this, but they're going to be searching and
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Speaker 1: right now it's frozen side, you got you got snow,
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Speaker 1: it's very inhospitable. We're gonna pick up more at that
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Speaker 1: point in time, so you're gonna have this convergence of
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Speaker 1: time that at that moment down the road, I hope
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Sirius X see eleven Triumph. We are kicking around
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Speaker 1: ideas about the lawyers walking off the case with cult
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Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo. The judge now off the case. What
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Speaker 1: does it mean we've gotten this initial discovery I have
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Speaker 1: here on my desk in Idaho. A preliminary hearing has
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Speaker 1: been reset where the state will put up the facts
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Speaker 1: that it has so far, but it remains to be seen.
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Speaker 1: Where are the children and even now behind bars, cult
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Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo refuses to say whether her children are
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Speaker 1: dead or alive. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox thirteen YEWS. This is Utah. Reporter Lauren Steinbrecker. When
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Speaker 1: the nanny message Laurie again the day after JJ was
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Speaker 1: last seen on September twenty fourth, she responded to me
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Speaker 1: that JJ was with his grandparents for a month and
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Speaker 1: that she was in Hawaii. She said in about a
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Speaker 1: month when they come back that I could work again. Well,
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Speaker 1: once that month passed, I texted her again around Halloween
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Speaker 1: time asking if I could work. There was no response.
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Speaker 1: Oh Rexburg police have said they confirmed Tiley never attended
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Speaker 1: BYU Idaho, which was what they say Laurie was claiming
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Speaker 1: to other people. A search weren't revealed that Laurie left
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Speaker 1: behind JJ's medication in that Rexburg town home with pills
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Speaker 1: still in the bottle. They said that medication has not
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Speaker 1: been filled in Idaho. The signs are very distressing as
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Speaker 1: to whether the children are dead or alive at this hour,
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Speaker 1: her lawyers and the judge walk off the case. And
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Speaker 1: it's got to take a lot for two lawyers to
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Speaker 1: leave a case like this To doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining us today, Doctor Angela questioned to you, she would
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Speaker 1: rather sit behind bars then say where her children are.
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Speaker 1: That indicates there is a nefarious reason for her, not
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Speaker 1: a bad reason for her not telling us where the
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Speaker 1: children are. If she wants them to live with a cult,
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Speaker 1: the law under the Constitution, we can't say, well, we
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Speaker 1: disagree with that, so we're taking the children away from
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Speaker 1: the cult. You can't do that. Parents, unless they're harming
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Speaker 1: the children, can send them to live with relatives or friends.
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Speaker 1: That's their prerogative. So that begs the question, Doctor Angela, Why,
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Speaker 1: even now behind bars, would she refuse to say where
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Speaker 1: the children are. Well, it sounds to me like she
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Speaker 1: is delusional and she's living under a delusion that the
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Speaker 1: world is coming to an end. Well, we know that's true,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela. But when people are stuck in a delusion,
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Speaker 1: you can't talk them out of their delusion. Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is what she firmly believes is the truth. Okay, trying
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Speaker 1: to understand something, Doctor Angela, Arnold, you're the psychiatrist. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you're the end. I'm just a JD. But if she
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Speaker 1: is convinced that the world is about to come to
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Speaker 1: an end, wouldn't she want to spend every last minute
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Speaker 1: with her children? And why would she paddling around at
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Speaker 1: a pool in Hawaii while her children are bunked up
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Speaker 1: with a cult. Well, she may think that she has
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Speaker 1: saved them. She may think in her mind that she
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Speaker 1: has her old way of saving herself, and she may
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Speaker 1: think that this was an act of saving them. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what her delusion is I don't like what
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Speaker 1: you're saying, doctor Angela. Just know that typically I agree
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Speaker 1: with you, but I don't like what I'm hearing right now.
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Speaker 1: But I can't argue that it's not true. So you
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Speaker 1: think she may be functioning under a delusion that the
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Speaker 1: world really is going to end July twenty ish. It
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Speaker 1: sounds that way to me. That is the only thing
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Speaker 1: that could explain to me other than just outright eevil.
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Speaker 1: But this has also calculated everything that she's done. You know,
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Speaker 1: she is able to sit with a straight face and
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Speaker 1: not answer any of these questions, and she doesn't break down.
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Speaker 1: That is why I believe that she has concocted a
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Speaker 1: belief in her head that is unshakable. Okay, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about her belief what we know about it. Nate Eaten
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Speaker 1: with me East idahoanes dot com. Nate Eaten is my
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Speaker 1: understanding that she believes that she is a god with
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Speaker 1: little ge that she has been sent here to lead
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Speaker 1: the followers, followers of preparing away people to the new
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Speaker 1: Jerusalem after the Great War. And let me think what
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Speaker 1: else does she believe? Oh? In the divorce papers with
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Speaker 1: Chad date with I'm sorry getting her husband's confused. Charles
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Speaker 1: Valow sorry, He said that she told him she would
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Speaker 1: kill him if he got in the way between her
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Speaker 1: and her religion, that she would kill him, and now
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Speaker 1: he's dead. She's been obsessed with the end of Times
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Speaker 1: for years. She has read multiple books about the end
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Speaker 1: of Times, about Christ's second coming, and has time moved
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Speaker 1: closer and closer to July of twenty twenty, which is
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Speaker 1: just a few months away. She believed that she was
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Speaker 1: called on to do this important work and helped bring
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Speaker 1: a past the second coming of Jesus Christ. And as
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, she told her husband, if you get in
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Speaker 1: my way, you will die. And she believed that she's
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Speaker 1: a translated being. And so as the daughter, will you
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Speaker 1: please stop talking like you understand this translated being? You, Goliah,
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Speaker 1: think you may be a member of the Okay, I
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Speaker 1: take all that back. You may actually know what is
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Speaker 1: a translated being? And why does Laurie Vallo think she
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Speaker 1: is a translated being? What is a translated being? Somebody
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Speaker 1: who already believed that they had accomplished their mission, their
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Speaker 1: purposes on the earth, and they have been transformed into
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Speaker 1: a different individual that now she is fulfilling a second mission. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what I take it all about. You knew
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Speaker 1: exactly what you were talking about. Somebody has been hanging
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Speaker 1: around the cult a little too much, Nate A, and
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Speaker 1: I'm calling your mother. Guys, we're talking about the fact
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Speaker 1: that a fleet of lawyers and a judge have now
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Speaker 1: left the case. I mean, Daryl Cohen, this is a
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Speaker 1: dream case for a lot of lawyers. This is like
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Speaker 1: being asked to do the Scott Peterson case, or the
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson case, or the O. J. Simpson case. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I think they're all guilty, but it's a defense attorney's dream.
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Speaker 1: Why would they walk off the case, Daryl, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think we're talking different types of jurisdiction Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: at Lanta, New York, Boston, Chicago. It would be the
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Speaker 1: dream case of every lawyer who's a defense lawyer, who's
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Speaker 1: going to get his or her chance for a book
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Speaker 1: being all social media, do all the TV shows. But
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Speaker 1: in a small town, in a small jurisdiction, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know that this is the case, then that could
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Speaker 1: be the scarlet letter, the stigma. I will never go
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Speaker 1: to that lawyer he or she in this case. The two.
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Speaker 1: He's represented this horrible woman and he's a man. And
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Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree with you more because say you get
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Speaker 1: a DUI, who do you want? Who are you going
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Speaker 1: to call? You're going to call the lawyer whose name
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Speaker 1: is stuck in your head, the lawyer that you know about,
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Speaker 1: the lawyer that Kong is a big case climb stories
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Speaker 1: with me. It's Grace. We were talking about the sudden
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Speaker 1: disruption in cult Mom Laurie Valo's felony trial. At this hour,
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Speaker 1: no sight of her two children, Tiley aged seventeen and
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Speaker 1: Jj age seven. The last known photo of them is
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Speaker 1: when Cultmom took them to Yellowstone. I was just arguing
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Speaker 1: with Daryl Coen about why a lawyer would get off
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Speaker 1: a case like this. I disagree. For instance, look at
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Speaker 1: the Tara Grinstead murder case. Those lawyers couldn't wait to
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Speaker 1: defend Tara Grinstead. I don't know if the killers of
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Speaker 1: Tara Grinstead, they certainly couldn't have thought they were innocent.
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Speaker 1: But even in a small town Mossilla, Georgia, lawyers wanted
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Speaker 1: to represent be part of that case. Look at Michael Vick,
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Speaker 1: the football player in the Atlanta jurisdiction who mistreated all
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Speaker 1: of his dogs. Defense lawyers were clamoring over each other
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Speaker 1: to get a crack at that case. So I think
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Speaker 1: it takes a lot to get thrown off or quit. Quit.
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Speaker 1: That's what happened. Quit the case and the judge as well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Darld, why would the judge step down from
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Speaker 1: the case. My only thought would be that I don't
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Speaker 1: want to deal with this. These people are crazy. It's
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Speaker 1: not doing anything from my calendar. Leave me alone, get
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Speaker 1: out of here. I'm out. Let me handle some cases
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Speaker 1: that really matter to other people. And I don't say it.
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Speaker 1: Some of my other judges have it. I don't know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's the only thing. It makes sense to me. No,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't. I don't see a judge just leave me
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Speaker 1: a case because they're fed up. Judges are fed up
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Speaker 1: every day in the year twenty four seven, three sixty five.
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Speaker 1: When you deal with murder, ray, child molestation, deadbeat dads, duys,
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Speaker 1: of course, you get tired of it and want to quit.
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Speaker 1: But they don't. It's a calling, that's what they don't
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Speaker 1: just walk off a case, you know, I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a list and now to CBS this morning,
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Speaker 1: News correspondent Jonathan Bigliatti listen as many in the town
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Speaker 1: of Rexburg demanded to know where our seven year old
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Speaker 1: JJ and seventeen year old Tyley Valo, who's charged with
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Speaker 1: felony child abandonment, has revealed nothing about the fate of
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Speaker 1: her kids. Investigators confirmed Tyley was last seen in Yellowstone
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Speaker 1: National Park. There is no evidence of Tyle Ryan leaving
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Speaker 1: this park. The FBI is now calling on everyone that
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Speaker 1: visited here September eighth to look through their photos for
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Speaker 1: signs of the family. As Valo's husband, Chad day Bell
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Speaker 1: looked on, her defense attorney complained Valo has been hounded
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Speaker 1: by the masses. She cannot vote anywhere without cameras and
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Speaker 1: people scrutinizing her every single move, also speaking out JJ's grandparents,
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Speaker 1: Kay and Larry Woodcock, whose demand for a welfare check
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Speaker 1: launched the search. Right now, I only have one question,
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Speaker 1: where are the kids? Where are the kids? Where are
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Speaker 1: the kids? Ring them home? And Bell was said at
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Speaker 1: one million dollars if release, Valo will have to wear
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Speaker 1: an ankle bracelet. At no point during this hearing did
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Speaker 1: Valo or her attorney mentioned where the kids are? Guys?
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Speaker 1: I can't believe that we're still using ankle bracelets. What
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Speaker 1: that is is you know what, Scott Hall, you're the
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Speaker 1: Bell Bondsman, past president of the National Association Professional Bondsman
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Speaker 1: at Scottgehall dot com. You tell you explain why an
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Speaker 1: ankle monitor is so ineffective. Well, I mean, ankle monitors
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Speaker 1: were never intended for people charged with violent crimes. They
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Speaker 1: were intended for low level, non violent if you will,
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Speaker 1: deadbeat dads. I mean that ankle monitor basically will only
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Speaker 1: tell you where that ankle monitor is when you cut
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Speaker 1: off the strap. They don't allow you to put those
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Speaker 1: on with titanium bracelets. They put them on with a
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Speaker 1: piece of plastic that has a couple of fishing cords
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Speaker 1: through it that basically sends a signal you can cut
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Speaker 1: them off with any kitchen knife. So they are extremely ineffective.
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Speaker 1: They don't protect anybody, and they only keep honest people honest.
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Speaker 1: But when you've got someone that's basically proven that they're
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Speaker 1: going to ignore court orders, they are in fact going
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Speaker 1: to leave the jurisdiction as soon as they get the opportunity.
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Speaker 1: And as obviously, as a psychologist basically said, you know delusional,
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Speaker 1: this is not the person that any of the rest
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Speaker 1: of us want on the streets, You darn right not
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Speaker 1: with all the dead bodies in her wake. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University, author Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, that doesn't make you want
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Speaker 1: to read the book. I just don't know what would
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Speaker 1: blood Beneath my Feet. You know, you may want to
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Speaker 1: rethink that title, Joe Scott. But that aside Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: all the dead bodies we're talking about, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: want to believe and there is a chance that Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valoe tug those children away with this crazy cult. She's
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Speaker 1: allegedly part of this doomsday cult. And remember she's now
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Speaker 1: married to Chad day Bell, who was written we know
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Speaker 1: of twenty five books on the End of Times. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's really sucked in it. Maybe she's got the children
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Speaker 1: tucked away, but if so, why not tell police. On
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Speaker 1: the other hand, Joseph Scott Morgan, as I love to say,
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna roll your eyes, I'm sure you are.
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Speaker 1: If you don't know a horse, look at his trick record,
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Speaker 1: because you've got let's see, you've got Joseph Ryan, who
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Speaker 1: is Tyley's dad, bio dad. He died of a heart attack,
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Speaker 1: a sudden heart attack, and he was cremated immediately. That's
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Speaker 1: one husband. You've got Charles Valo, who was shot dead
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Speaker 1: by Laurie's Laurie Valo, Cultman's brother. Then the brother died
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Speaker 1: and then amazingly, what a coinkie Dame Me in perfect
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Speaker 1: health training for a marathon in her forties, died in
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Speaker 1: her sleep. It's funny how that happened. And two weeks
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Speaker 1: later he marries coltmom Laurie Vallo. So, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: if that's the track record, it would indicate the children
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Speaker 1: have been killed. I don't want to believe that. But
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Speaker 1: we were talking, Joseph Scott Morgan. Let's get down to
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Speaker 1: the brass tacks about this photo that was taken in September,
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Speaker 1: the end of September of both children with Colt mom
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Speaker 1: at Yellowstone, with cult mom and her killer brother. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's who was together at Yellowstone. You were talking about
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Speaker 1: a thaw, we're talking. What you're talking about, ephemistically, is
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Speaker 1: the children's bodies thawing out like ground beef in your
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Speaker 1: fridge when you take it out of the freezer. That's
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Now, let's talk about if that
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario is true, what do we have to
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Speaker 1: do to find the children and what will we find? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think that there are multiple multiple scenarios here, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I think that if those children were found, and I
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Speaker 1: have to, unfortunately say, if the remains are found out there,
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Speaker 1: because this is such a vast area. The one upside
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Speaker 1: for investigators are that will be investigating this as a
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Speaker 1: homicide is there might be some level of preservation to
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Speaker 1: a certain degree. However, given the time stamp on that photograph,
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Speaker 1: and the children's bodies would have been preserved by the
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Speaker 1: fres temperature, Yeah, they would have. But here's the problem, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: those kids if we if we were to believe these times,
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Speaker 1: which I do, that they would last seen that would
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Speaker 1: have been before first thought, so that it would make
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Speaker 1: it difficult. The bodies would have been there for a
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Speaker 1: while they were missing, and then they would have frozen,
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Speaker 1: and then they're going to defrost, if you will, after
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Speaker 1: a period of time, so evidence will be compromised. And
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Speaker 1: isn't it kind of interesting though that in the wake
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Speaker 1: of all of this these dead bodies I think about,
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Speaker 1: you know, with Tammy Dave Bell, they're still scratching their
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Speaker 1: heads over this. They missed an opportunity with her. I say,
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Speaker 1: the authorities up there the corner didn't even order anything
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Speaker 1: as far as even toxicology drawn because Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: her husband, now Loie Valo's husband, said no autopsy. He
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Speaker 1: was close next to Ken and he didn't want an
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Speaker 1: autopsy on his wife. Yeah, and you've got Joseph Ryan,
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Speaker 1: who was quickly quickly cremated. There's no way to go
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Speaker 1: back and retroactively do that. And so there is this
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Speaker 1: kind of thread of deception that runs through this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: We have these kids that are, unfortunately I believe, deposited
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Speaker 1: in this remote location, and any kind of evidentiary value
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Speaker 1: that there might be is going to be greatly compromised.
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Speaker 1: Simply that I'm just not ready to accept it they're
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Speaker 1: dead yet. I think there is the possibility that they are,
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Speaker 1: you know, have been sent away. But I know this.
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Speaker 1: Two lawyers have walked off the case. Is it because
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo refuses to say whether her children
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Speaker 1: are dead or alive? And that leaves us wondering why
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story signing off goodbye friend,