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Can Democrats Lose the Downer Image? + Chris Murphy in Conversation (Crooked Con) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 5: Hi, everybody. Wow. I'm John Lennon. We're live at Cricket Con.
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  Speaker 5: He's got people. Everybody here has got people everywhere.
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  Speaker 6: We're in the Reagan building, baby. I've co-opted your ass.
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  Speaker 5: Can't lose control just yet. In his 1992 convention speech.
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  Speaker 5: Bill Clinton, who is perfect, said of Republicans who were
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  Speaker 5: at the time angry about Murphy Brown being a single
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  Speaker 5: mom on television, if other politicians make you feel like
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  Speaker 5: you're not part of their family, come on and be
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  Speaker 5: part of ours. Republicans were the hall monitors we were welcoming.
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  Speaker 5: Three decades later, Trump found an audience among pretty apolitical
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  Speaker 5: comedians and media personalities and their fans who see Democrats
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  Speaker 5: as pious and scolding. The Democratic Party is widely reviled.
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  Speaker 5: A broad survey of working class voters described Democrats as, quote, woke, weak,
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  Speaker 5: and out of touch. Coming out of Tuesday, which was awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Semaphores Dave Weigel.
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  Speaker 7: Woke Sharia.
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  Speaker 5: What? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I said woke Sharia, baby.
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  Speaker 5: We're all living in Mamdana-stan now. Semaphores Dave Weigel put
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  Speaker 5: it best in summarizing the exit polls. What do you
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  Speaker 5: think of the Democrats? They stink. Who did you vote for?
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  Speaker 5: As many Democrats as possible. So where do we go
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  Speaker 5: from here? Joining me, our streamer and political commentator, Hasan Piker.
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  Speaker 5: MSNOW's Simone Sanders. The Bulwark's Tim Miller. And the co-host
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  Speaker 5: of The Five, Fox TV's Jessica Tarlon. Tim, I want
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  Speaker 5: to start with you. And I want to just concede
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  Speaker 5: that this is like a big topic. And it can
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  Speaker 5: be hard to tease out style from substance, strategy, ideology.
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  Speaker 5: But I want to start with that 2024 dynamic. You
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  Speaker 5: have Trump and his allies on Rogan and a whole
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  Speaker 5: bunch of apolitical shows and media. In hindsight, Democrats say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: we need Democrats that can go everywhere. They have to
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  Speaker 5: go everywhere just like Trump did. But then we look
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  Speaker 5: around and we say, well, who are the Democrats that
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  Speaker 5: can do that? And as a former Republican, as a
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  Speaker 5: pilgrim in an unholy land, who's gone from viewing Democrats
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  Speaker 5: being annoying as an asset to a liability. Where is
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  Speaker 5: your head at?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I was happy about the woke Sharia in New York,
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  Speaker 6: but you do have to remember that the CIA has
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  Speaker 6: taken over in Virginia across the river. So the deep
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  Speaker 6: state establishment is also on the rise.
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  Speaker 3: Big tent, big tent.
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  Speaker 6: Big tent. You know what, Lovett? You guys are kind
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  Speaker 6: of annoying. And it is something that we're dealing with.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that it's important to just accept it
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  Speaker 6: and think about it. And the fundamental question you got to,
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  Speaker 6: which was, okay, well, we need a Rogan Barone, or
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  Speaker 6: we got to be able to go hang out with
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  Speaker 6: these folks. We got to be appealing more to the
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  Speaker 6: comedian set. And then it's like, well, who would go
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  Speaker 6: on the podcast? And then it's like, well, Are you available?
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  Speaker 6: Are you? Like the list is kind of short, right?
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  Speaker 6: And so, you know, we can't create people from scratch,
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  Speaker 6: but I think that it's important, you know, when I
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  Speaker 6: look back at the mistakes the Democrats made that got
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  Speaker 6: us to this place, it's like Biden wins in 20
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  Speaker 6: when everybody's inside, right? So you didn't have to be
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  Speaker 6: out there. And then in 22, it's like, well, we
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  Speaker 6: didn't have a red wave. So it's like things are
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  Speaker 6: going pretty well, right? And so I just think that
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  Speaker 6: there was a lot of, just inertia and status quo happening.
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  Speaker 6: And a lot of the problems that were undergirding that,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of things people were frustrated with about COVID
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  Speaker 6: or about, you know, the not as fun parts of
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  Speaker 6: woke Sharia, right? Like there wasn't a lot of reflection
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  Speaker 6: on that. And I think that it's good to reflect
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  Speaker 6: on it now. And I think that Tuesday was awesome,
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  Speaker 6: but just because we did really well on Tuesday because
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  Speaker 6: Trump is fucking everything up does not mean that we
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  Speaker 6: shouldn't also like think about how we can continue to
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  Speaker 6: kind of expand out and appeal to more people.
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  Speaker 5: Simone, it seems like Democrats are often in a trap,
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  Speaker 5: which is Trump or one of his acolytes does something
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  Speaker 5: genuinely offensive, whether it's attacking or undermining a democratic institution
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  Speaker 5: or going after a vulnerable group of people. And Democrats
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  Speaker 5: want to defend those people, right? But then at times,
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  Speaker 5: sometimes they seem like they're writing their own version of
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  Speaker 5: the Federalist Papers. or they are doing what is then
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  Speaker 5: described as identity politics. And so how do you fight
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  Speaker 5: back against Trump when he's attacking people, when he's making
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  Speaker 5: an issue of marginalized groups, without then being seen by
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  Speaker 5: a broader group of being focused less on, say, the economy?
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  Speaker 5: How do you square that circle?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm from North Omaha, Nebraska. Shout out
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  Speaker 2: to the Midwest people in the room. Yes, there are
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  Speaker 2: black people. There are black people in Nebraska, all over
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  Speaker 2: this country. Maybe not North Dakota. And so I say
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  Speaker 2: that because earlier this summer, a black man who is
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  Speaker 2: a Democrat unseated a three-term Republican mayor in Omaha, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 4: And we can clap for that.
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  Speaker 2: His name is John Ewing. And John Ewing, I grew
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  Speaker 2: up knowing John Ewing.
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  Speaker 4: I know him very well.
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  Speaker 2: But in that race, like in many other races across
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  Speaker 2: this country that have happened since 2024, One of the
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  Speaker 2: issues that the Republican candidate tried to pull to the
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  Speaker 2: forefront were bathrooms and trans issues. And you know what
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  Speaker 2: John Ewing's answer was? Well, first of all, he had
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  Speaker 2: an answer. He put up an ad to answer the attacks,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is really important.
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  Speaker 4: You cannot let attacks go.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot allow your opponent, as a former strategist, you
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  Speaker 2: cannot have your opponent defining you and you not answering.
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  Speaker 4: So that's part of it.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Specifically coming out of 2024, a lot of candidates did
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  Speaker 2: not answer the attacks.
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  Speaker 4: And some people were just like, oh, no, no, that's
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  Speaker 4: not me. And it's like, well, who are you?
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  Speaker 2: But John Ewing put up ads and went out there
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  Speaker 2: and did speeches and was on the streets talking to
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  Speaker 2: folks during interviews and whatnot and campaigning and saying, she's
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  Speaker 2: doing this because she don't want to talk about the potholes.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't want to talk about the issues that are
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  Speaker 2: affecting you. She's going to make up this issue that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about. She doesn't want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the potholes. And so I think the answer is not
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  Speaker 2: to run away from the confrontation. Like, you're not about
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  Speaker 2: to make me, as I used to always tell candidates,
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  Speaker 2: don't allow these folks, anybody, any of your opponents, to
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  Speaker 2: make you believe that you're for an issue that you've
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  Speaker 2: never taken up. Like, I don't know what the hesitancy
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  Speaker 2: is from some of the campaigns and the strategists over
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  Speaker 2: the last, you know, couple of cycles to just not
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  Speaker 2: be clear about what folks are for and what they're
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  Speaker 2: not for. Because in 2024, that TheyThem ad was seen everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: And black people in Philadelphia told me the organizers in
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia said that everybody had saw that ad and there
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  Speaker 2: was no counter and.
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  Speaker 4: They believed it.
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  Speaker 2: So I do think that, I don't think Democrats need
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  Speaker 2: to do a wholesale, like, You need a full brand
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  Speaker 2: rebrand because I think, frankly, the Democratic Party brand, it
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  Speaker 2: might never be popular. But what may be, and that's okay,
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  Speaker 2: because what you need are candidates who people like and
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  Speaker 2: they want to vote for and who they believe in.
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  Speaker 2: And if the brand is popular or not, I'm not,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Democrats need to be less concerned about
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  Speaker 2: rehabilitating the brand of the Democratic Party apparatus and more
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  Speaker 2: concerned about running candidates that are close to the issues
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  Speaker 2: in the districts and places that they're trying to win.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Tim don't agree. Tim, Tim don't agree.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the brand is boned. I agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: The brand was poopoo and people voted for Democrats anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, that says people are willing to support
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  Speaker 2: candidates even if they think your brand is shitty.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's an important part of what I
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  Speaker 5: think the dynamic we see, right? There was just a
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  Speaker 5: report that came out that said, here's a set of
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  Speaker 5: policies that are broadly popular that Democrats should embrace going
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  Speaker 5: into the midterms. and they're pretty moderate and sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, a bunch of these people that lost some races
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  Speaker 2: and hadn't won recently put this report out?
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  Speaker 3: It was shocking. I, for one, was shocked when I
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  Speaker 3: saw that report. I was like, wow, so do the
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  Speaker 3: exact same thing that the Democrats have been doing that
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  Speaker 3: caused them a sequence of failures? That's good. I like that.
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  Speaker 5: I knew there was no way.
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  Speaker 3: Moderate enough, that was what the issue was.
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  Speaker 5: There was no way I was going to get to
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  Speaker 5: the end of that sentence. I don't even know why
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  Speaker 5: I considered starting it, but... Taken. But when I hear
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  Speaker 5: what you're saying there, when I see a report like that,
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  Speaker 5: I see a group of people struggling against a brand
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  Speaker 5: that is in the toilet and a bunch of people
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  Speaker 5: trying to win despite that, which is another way of
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  Speaker 5: saying we're in a ravine. Let's find the highest spot
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  Speaker 5: we can here in this trench that we're stuck in.
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  Speaker 5: But the reason I think this question is important, even
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  Speaker 5: if you're right, like people win despite disliking the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 5: People hate Congress like they're congresspersons. I do think it's
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  Speaker 5: worth asking what it is like to imagine a world
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  Speaker 5: in which Democrats are broadly popular.
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  Speaker 7: So.
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  Speaker 6: How many gummies you take before coming out here?
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  Speaker 5: So, which brings me to Jessica. So, I will reveal
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  Speaker 5: something to all of you, which is John, Tommy, and
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  Speaker 5: I share an office, perfectly.
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  Speaker 3: Perfectly.
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  Speaker 5: And we often, if not more often than not now,
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  Speaker 5: switch over to Fox News during the day. And we
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  Speaker 5: do because we want to see what's happening over there.
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  Speaker 5: But also, it's entertaining.
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  Speaker 6: It is.
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  Speaker 5: They're having fun over there. True story. And Jessica, I
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  Speaker 5: want you to talk about what it is like to
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  Speaker 5: be in that environment. Because part of what is so
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  Speaker 5: fun is there just collective appreciation and shared view of Democrats,
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  Speaker 5: which is that they're kind of feckless and funny and ridiculous.
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  Speaker 7: They definitely enjoy that part of it. And I'm so
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  Speaker 7: glad that this conference is this week and not last week,
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  Speaker 7: because we'd all just be sitting around crying and looking
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  Speaker 7: at that memo and saying, well, You know, this is
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  Speaker 7: 57% popular, so I think we should go with that.
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  Speaker 7: But now we have some wins, and we have this
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  Speaker 7: diverse set of wins, so I have had a way
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  Speaker 7: better couple of days.
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  Speaker 5: They've been almost circumspect. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, sometimes. They got a little rowdy, too. But,
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  Speaker 8: you know, you.
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  Speaker 7: Can't dispute results like that. You can't dispute a Mom
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  Speaker 7: Donnie win and a Spanberger win and whatever happened in
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  Speaker 7: the Mississippi Statehouse. And I'm obsessed with whatever a public
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  Speaker 7: commissioner is in Georgia. You know?
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  Speaker 6: When nobody shows up to vote, we win. It's important
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  Speaker 6: to remember.
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  Speaker 7: But the joy is important to the formula that makes
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  Speaker 7: Fox so appealing as a set of programs to watch.
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  Speaker 7: And I think about it in context of the joy
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  Speaker 7: campaign of 2024.
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  Speaker 8: That was not right.
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  Speaker 7: We were being told all the time, like you're having
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  Speaker 7: so much fun. Like Brat summer feels great. And I
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  Speaker 7: did feel great at the DNC. Cause I thought that
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  Speaker 7: was the moment of like, maybe we have a chance,
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  Speaker 7: but it was fleeting. And it's always on our side.
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  Speaker 7: I think since the 2016 election, it feels like it's
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  Speaker 7: forced upon us versus it's coming from within and There
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  Speaker 7: may be individual candidates that we're into. I've gotten super
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  Speaker 7: excited about people, you know, down ballot all over the
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  Speaker 7: place or, you know, I love Ruben Gallego.
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  Speaker 8: Like, that's always fun for me to talk about.
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  Speaker 7: But because we have this kind of uniform policy of
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  Speaker 7: stay in line, it's joyless because you can't feel free
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  Speaker 7: to criticize somebody that you disagree with or, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you're going to get scolded by this person and that person.
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  Speaker 7: And the Republicans, generally speaking, live free of that amongst themselves.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, criticizing Trump is a whole other thing, but
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  Speaker 7: they go about their business in a way that we don't.
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  Speaker 7: And that I think that we're adapting to in, at
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  Speaker 7: least based on these election results.
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  Speaker 8: And Fox captures that.
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  Speaker 7: That there are people who have kind of like a
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  Speaker 7: shared core set of values maybe, but they're not taking
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  Speaker 7: themselves that seriously. They're not scolding each other. Like it
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  Speaker 7: also matters in the quality of the programming, it looks great.
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  Speaker 7: Our graphics are beautiful. Our lighting is fantastic. Are you
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  Speaker 7: making a face?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm your Fedayeen. I'm your biggest die-hard fan, okay?
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  Speaker 3: But no, I don't think the Fox News graphics are beautiful. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I respect what you do, especially because if I had
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  Speaker 3: to sit next to Jesse Waters and Greg Buttfeld the
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  Speaker 3: entire time, I would kill myself. And the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you have been able to successfully sit in that room
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  Speaker 3: every day and just white-knuckle through Jesse Waters' snide-ass remarks
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  Speaker 3: is impressive.
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  Speaker 5: It is.
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  Speaker 6: Concur.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 7: And it is nice to be a... amongst my people,
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  Speaker 7: which I'm usually not like cautiously weaving through here. But
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  Speaker 7: my point in bringing it up, and you don't have
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  Speaker 7: to love our graphics, even though they're copied in every
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  Speaker 7: movie and things like that.
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  Speaker 8: It's like the official look of it.
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  Speaker 2: But even when- The PR people love Jessica. She is
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  Speaker 2: a favorite of the Fox PR folks.
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  Speaker 8: But nothing is taken that seriously. Seriously.
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  Speaker 7: And that's not the case in liberal media. And that
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  Speaker 7: doesn't mean you're not talking about serious things, but there's
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  Speaker 7: this feeling like it is not the end of the
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  Speaker 7: world in every topic that you're discussing. And this idea
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  Speaker 7: that we can just go and show up in conservative
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  Speaker 7: spaces or come for an hour and you have to
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  Speaker 7: be open to those kinds of things doesn't capture how
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  Speaker 7: hard it is for people who vote like me and
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  Speaker 7: some of the things that I think to genuinely form
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  Speaker 7: bonds and interact on a ongoing basis with people who
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  Speaker 7: you disagree with. An hour, two hours, three hours is
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  Speaker 7: not getting to know the other side.
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  Speaker 8: Living amongst them and spending time with them is.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that's why I'm able to do my
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  Speaker 7: job and have a reasonable therapy bill, like not insane,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, we know each other like the family
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  Speaker 7: that it looks like, which is dysfunctional, but it's still
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  Speaker 7: a family. And people who watch the show, and we
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  Speaker 7: have 20% Democratic viewership, still get that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 8: It's maybe not the answer you guys wanted.
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  Speaker 3: You're not getting a lot of claps because you're defending
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  Speaker 3: Fox News in this room.
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  Speaker 5: Let me speak. I want to talk to Hasan about
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  Speaker 5: what you just said. I heard something from the crowd,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it reflects what they're feeling, which is Well,
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  Speaker 5: they're not taking it seriously because these are people that
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  Speaker 5: are not appreciating the consequences or telling themselves a story
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  Speaker 5: about the consequences. And I know you know that. But
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  Speaker 5: that's a challenge for the left. I think sometimes we
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  Speaker 5: are seen as upset or scolding because we're motivated by
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  Speaker 5: a deep set of values, and when you watch Fox,
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  Speaker 5: there's a frivolousness to it, but maybe that's a kind
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  Speaker 5: of carelessness about what's happening to the country.
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  Speaker 7: I totally agree with you about certain issues, absolutely, and
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  Speaker 7: I make that very clear, and they can make fun
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  Speaker 7: of me or whatever, but elections have consequences, and we
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  Speaker 7: saw on Tuesday night that the American public sees through it.
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  Speaker 8: That's the point.
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  Speaker 7: People get all hot and bothered about how conservatives are
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  Speaker 7: reacting to certain things and that they're being dismissive. But
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  Speaker 7: they are the ones that think the American public is stupid.
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  Speaker 7: And we're the ones who know that they can see
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  Speaker 7: what's going on. So whether you get 90 seconds of
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: talk time or you get to talk for hours a
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: day on your podcasts or on your live stream, all
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: the things for Assad. Like, they're the ones that are
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: doubting people's capacity to understand. And so... I get what
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: you're saying and I feel it. And sometimes I don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: like being made fun of sometimes for being upset about
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: American citizens taken into ICE detention and not getting to
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: call their loved ones. But Tuesday night, people showed up
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: all over the country and said, fuck off.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: That is unacceptable.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Hassan.
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: I got applause.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Hassan hasn't gone 17 minutes without talking since 2014. I
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: honestly like.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: The stage is vibrating and I'm sorry it took this
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: long to get to the fact that what we saw
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: in New York on Tuesday in many ways feels like
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: an antidote to some of this problem. Zoran Mamdani is
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: having fun out there. And he's also representing a incredibly
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: enthusiastic base of people who are finding community in being
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: part of politics. And that does seem like something now
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: that is more easily formed on the left. I can
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: think of all the candidates and campaigns that have been
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: left-driven that have built that energy and enthusiasm and sense
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: of fun. Brad Summer was an exception. There was a
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: moment where, look, we can all look back and be like,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I knew, I was full, I went full Brad.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was there.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: We were, yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: No, and as someone who was there to DNC before
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I got kicked out, but on the last day, I
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: actually found myself feeling a sense of anxiety over the
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: course of every single day that passed where I was like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: why is everybody just like celebrating like we're at the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: end zone here when it is not a guarantee that
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is going to win? And I kept warning
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: over and over again that there were a lot of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: unaddressed issues that the Democrats just kind of never wanted
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: to acknowledge at all.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Can we not just be excited we had somebody who
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: could talk, though? Could we just have had one week?
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: We were excited for a week because she could talk.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: That was great.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: So just give us a break.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: No, but the excitement that came into the DNC was
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: actually because for, for some reason, right? And the reason
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: is because people finally realized Joe Biden was, you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: his brain was leaking out of his ear. I'm sorry. And,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and for that reason, I know there's probably a lot
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of democratic party staffers in here. They're going to get
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: really pissed off for me saying this, but, um, it
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: almost felt like we had a competent party for once,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and they were responsive to the people's needs. And that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the reason why everyone was excited. I was excited. When
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I saw Kamala Harris choose Tim Walz, when she could
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: have just as easily gone with Josh Shapiro, for example,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my God, is this happening? Is
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: there an actual progressive momentum backing this candidacy, backing this campaign?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: And then they backpocketed him. And Kamala Harris went from
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: saying that she was going to do price controls, And
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: she actually very decently messaged around that by saying, we're
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: just going to go after price gougers at the grocery store,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: which was her most popular policy at the time, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: directly addressed one of the main economic anxieties that people
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: were experiencing. And then, lo and behold, her brother-in-law, who's
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: head of legal at Uber, came on and was like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: cut this economic populism shit out. And And then you
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: had $ 50, 000 in tax credits for small business owners. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: that was not addressing the problems that people were experiencing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And I think that we have to do the honest
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: autopsy of this campaign and realize that maybe people were
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: excited for the progressive momentum that they perceived the campaign
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: actually was going to have and the responsiveness that the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: party finally had. to the people's desires, to the base
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of voters' desires, but then they kind of just threw
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: that into the wind and just kept pumping Liz Cheney
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: and refused to talk about.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: Sorry for wanting to help poor Liz Cheney. Can I
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: just do one thing on the honest autopsy, though? Actually,
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: we can find some common ground on the economic populist stuff.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: I think the common list should have probably, in retrospect, obviously,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: had a more tangible message on economic populism. My problem
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: with the walls thing, though, is that, that relates to
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: the topic of this panel, is that I think if
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: we're having an honest autopsy and looking back at the campaign,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: there were a lot of liberals that live on the
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: coast that were like, whoa, this dude can change a carburetor?
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: And I can put on a camo hat? Like, he's
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: gonna really, that guy is really gonna connect with rural America,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: because he seems like a guy that really connects with
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: rural America. And people who like, grew up in rural
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: America who, or who lived in red spaces are like, no,
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: like that is the guy. who was the PFLAG teacher
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: at the rural high school. And by the way, being
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: the PFLAG sponsor at a rural high school is awesome.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: That's a great thing to be. Everybody loves that. That's great.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: But like everybody who's from that world did not look
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: at him and say, you code conservative. They're like, you
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: have conservative values like me. They coded him. It's like, oh,
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: you're the nice liberal at the school, right? And so
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: I think that if we're going to have an honest
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: reflection on the last campaign, the economic populism stuff was
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: a miss too, was a miss for sure. But being
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: seen as being to the cultural left and being out
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: of step with the country culturally on a wide variety
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: of issues, whether it be social issues or COVID or
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: free speech or just being able to chill on comedians' podcasts,
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: that was a miss, and people misunderstood what Tim Walz
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: was bringing to the table because he was not able
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: to do any of that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the cultural stuff is only relevant if
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that is– ostensibly the only thing that you're bringing to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: the table. And unfortunately for the democratic party, I mean,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: these used to be wedge issues for a reason, right?
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: These were concocted in think tanks with the deliberate design
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to make it seem as though there was some significant
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: disagreements between the two parties and they were created to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: make the Republicans more popular so that people would focus
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: on whatever, you know, the Family Foundation decided was a
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: more successful way to present anti-trans narratives after focus testing
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: their message. And when people are focusing on that, they're
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: always going to go, okay, well, the Democrats are silly.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Why do they care about this? This is like a
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: tiny sliver of the population. Instead, they should be Every
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: moment that they're talking about that is a moment where
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: they're not talking about affordability, where they're not talking about
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: a working class centered party.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Where are the Democrats that ran on trans issues? Show
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: them to me, people. Where are they?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: They didn't.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: They didn't.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: It was the Republicans.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: You actually brought that up, and I 100% agree with you.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, good.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Sorry I jumped out of my seat.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: No, I 100% agree with you because you said the potholes, right?
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: If you're talking about the potholes and your opponent is
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: constantly being like, but what about trans people? Then they
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: look insincere and they look silly. And there is no
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: reason to betray marginalized groups and decide that we're going
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to actively write them out of the equation because they're
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: working class as well. And this is something that I
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: have never compromised on. And yet seemingly I've been able
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: to find like a very populist and robust movement in
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: my own audience. that does not compromise on these issues,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: but also is always in the affirmative, making the argument
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: that we have to focus on kitchen table issues, if
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: you want to use that kind of language around it,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: but like center the working class and try to seek
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: out what their problems are, address them, and also make
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: this earnest attempt and show that we are honest about
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: actually fighting for them. And I think Zoran's campaign and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: its success was a fantastic example of this. I know
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: people say it's in New York, but that's precisely what
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: he did. Five key issues. He went out, he asked people,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: what's your problem? I'm going to solve it. And he
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: centered his campaign around five key issues of affordability in
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: New York. And lo and behold, in spite of 22
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: billionaires spending hundreds of millions of dollars trying to take
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: them out, in spite of a very hostile media environment,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: especially leading up to the primary or certainly after the primary,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: they They genuflected a little bit by the end. But,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and all of these attack ads, he still won.
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  Speaker 5: God, this is going great.
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  Speaker 6: Are we having fun yet?
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Are we having fun yet? Jessica, I want you to
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  Speaker 5: respond and then I want to kind of tease two
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  Speaker 5: things out here.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I agree.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: I totally agree.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: I just exist in a world where we can't behave
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: that way.
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: Not everybody who's going to run.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: For office or who wants to have a voice can
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: build the platform that you have.
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: You're ridiculously talented.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: And Damn, thank you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: No, but even being able to talk that long or to...
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: It's a skill set that I.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: That I don't have.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: But when you say, we don't need to deal with this,
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: and I agree with you about the ad, and I
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: remember when that happened, There are people who are running
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: in races where you need to do more than that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Like we were talking earlier, I was over doing Tim's
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: pod with him. We're talking about Jared Golden not running
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: in Maine. And Jared Golden can't afford to not talk
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: about the issues that his constituents genuinely care about because
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: they also vote for Donald Trump. And for some of them,
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: they just want to hear someone say, listen, I want
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: to protect everybody. I'm an inclusive guy, you know, but I...
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: whatever happened with Leah Thomas, or that's always like the
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: lightning rod, you know, trans athlete issue. I understand your
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: concern about, you know, trans women and women's sports. That
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: doesn't mean Jared Golden needs to say, I want to
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: ban on this. It means Jared Golden says like the
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: head of the NCAA did when they testified, this is,
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: you're talking about 10 athletes out of 500,000. So it
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: is a small fraction of the population, but I'm not
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: going to dismiss your concerns. And this big tent and
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: a winning coalition across this country is has to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: compromising about what people need to do to win their races.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: I'm not talking about being bigoted. I'm not talking about
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: being nasty. But the country operates differently in different places.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: And I feel like we give lip service to that,
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: but don't always behave that way.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: The thing is, if the Democratic Party was defined by...
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Five key policies, okay? Medicare for all, a single-payer system,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: socialized medicine, right? Something of that sort. And a plan
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: to expand the available housing units. I want socialized housing.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: That is not even broached. That's not even discussed amongst
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. I want a federal jobs guarantee and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: a jobs program to build those houses, right? Free college.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: and better education overall from K through 12, if those
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: were like your five key signature campaign promises that directly
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: tackle all of the issues that people, the economic hardships
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: that people in the heartland are actually going through, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: not just like highly educated liberals in big cities, then...
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: any moment that these people would turn around and be like, well,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: what about trans people? They're going to get healthcare too.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: You could just be like, okay, what do you not
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: want healthcare because you think a trans person is going
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to get it?
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I just want to be clear.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: There was a moment on a debate stage where they
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: weren't talking about trans people, but in the Democratic primary
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: in 2020, they asked, there was a, one of the
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: large primary debates and they asked, well, do you think
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: undocumented people should have healthcare? And people raised their hand
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and it was used as an attack ad and it
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was an effective attack ad. So I think sometimes we,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I agree with, Some of what you're saying, okay? The
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: dig at small businesses, I disagree with because the biggest
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: driver of wealth in African-American communities outside of government jobs,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: which is why the fact that 300,000 black women have
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: lost their government jobs is a blow to wealth ascension
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: in this country for black women, is small businesses. And
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: so the small business plan was a plan that spoke
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to working-class black and brown people in this country who
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: do not work at large corporations but had an idea,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: wanted entrepreneurship, and then they saw a plan for them.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And so it was a wide, you know, tent situation.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: But I guess my point is to Jessica, what Jessica
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: is saying, yes, I do think candidates have to be,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you got to run for your district. You got to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: run for the race that you're in. As a, you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a black woman from the Midwest every day, everywhere
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I go, okay? I live in Washington, D.C., but I'm
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: black and I'm bald. So there are some things I
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: think I hear when these conversations come up, and I've
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: sat in strategist rooms when they've come up. They've come
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: up on campaigns I've worked on, and I hear them
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: on the sets and the commercial breaks when we have
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: some of these candidates on our show. It feels like
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to some people that look like me that the people
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: within the party apparatus want folks to compromise on issues
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that for me are uncompromisable when folks say that. And
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: so I do think that if the party is like, look,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: people need to... I think the answer is people need
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to run for the race that they're in.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, what does that mean? Does that mean when.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Because let's just be very clear, Donald Trump and the Republicans,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they aren't looking for a big tent. They're like, mass deportation,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: F you, look at my one good black person, shithole
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: countries in Africa, all the brown people need to be deported.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Women got blood.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Coming down their eyes, but like, yay, we're going back
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to a meritocracy and that means only white men.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Like, hold on, what? But they were winning.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And so they didn't win because they opened up the
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: aperture and let people do what they need to do.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: They won because they tripled down on what they believe.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry. That's just not right. I'm sorry. That sounds good,
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: and I like it. I want it to be right.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: It's just not right.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: They didn't win because they tripled down on what they believe?
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: No, they did triple down on what they believe.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, they tripled down on racism.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: It was populism, but he was a.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Populism is a thin ideology mixed with a thick ideology,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: according to Cass Mudd. His populism had a lot of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: things in it. It was an economic populist, but populism
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: had a little white supremacy in it, a little racism.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Like Bernie Sanders is a populist in a different way
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: than Donald Trump.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, here's the thing.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: No, I don't understand.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Can I just say really quick, though? Here's the thing. Like, yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: he doubled down on a bunch of terrible shit that
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: they believe that's extreme. No doubt. No doubt. He also
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: was seen as left of Kamala on foreign policy. He
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: was seen as an anti-war candidate. He was seen as
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: anti the Republican establishment of war. He cut to the
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: middle on that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: He lied about that, for sure.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Of course he lied. He lied. But then maybe our
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: guys should lie about some things that are popular, too.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Now you sound like me during the campaign where I
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck are you guys doing when
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: you're not addressing this stuff where Donald Trump can present
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: himself as the peace candidate? That was insane to me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: But obviously... Sending Bill Clinton to Dearborn to talk about
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Judea and Samaria as most people were seeing.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: Most people were seeing.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I want to bring us back.
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: They didn't moderate on things.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying. I'm having so much fun.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: No, no, I'm sorry.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You cannot have a convention where you have signs that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: say mass deportation now.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying he wasn't a moderate. I'm saying he
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: moderated on things.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Ethnocentric nationalist version of this country and say that he moderated.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: What he did is say people in Gaza, you should
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: vote for me because Joe Biden ain't doing what you want.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: That's not a moderation. He had good rhetoric, but his
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: policy was consistent. And the vice president on that debate
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: stage said all of the things that he was saying
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that he would do, and he has now done them.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: He said he was going to send the military into
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the streets. He was saying it on the campaign.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: That's not moderation. That's fascism.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: He said he was going to deport all of these
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: people in this country. He said that it's not just
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the criminals. He's coming for anybody that is in this
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: country who is undocumented. So I'm... I just, I can't,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I can't get with the, well, Donald.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Trump did moderate a bit.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: They tripled down on the bad stuff.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And had nice graphics and good, and.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Smiled through it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: So can I, I want to bring this back.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Simone is.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Hassan, quick, and then I want to.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Bring us back.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Simone is absolutely right, 100%. And these were things that
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I was screaming about nonstop. You said you agreed with.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: Me that he ran to the left of Kamala on
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: foreign policy.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: That's moderating.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: He didn't run on the unpopular Republican views on foreign policy.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: He ran to the left on foreign policy only because
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the Democrats came out and said, I'm going to have
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: the most lethal military because unfortunately, and I mean this sincerely,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Democrats actually saw the threat of
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump as a significant enough threat because if they were,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: they would have locked in and had better messaging overall
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: and tried to at least establish a base of support
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: with counter narratives, with counter messaging leading up to the election,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: not in the aftermath or not during the election, but
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: leading up to the election because Republicans, they act as
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: though there is an election every single day. They are
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: constantly on message. They're constantly creating an alternative reality with
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: lies saying that undocumented migrants are actually responsible for a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: metric ton of the crimes that are taking place in
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: American cities when that is an abject lie, okay? And
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: when I talk to Congress persons whether it be at
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: the DNC or even before or even after. And I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: tell them, why the fuck aren't you guys counter-messaging against this?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: We are a nation of immigrants. America is the most
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: diverse nation on the fucking planet. It is literally the
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: reason why we are such a domineering force beyond all
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the other violent reasons. But that is one of the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: most redeemable aspects of America that I personally love that
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the Democrats completely dropped because they were scared. They saw
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: that one poll from the Pew Center of Research that
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: said that 66% of Americans want mass deportations. That exact
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: same poll also showed that if given two options, Mass
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: deportation and mass amnesty that the majority always chose mass amnesty.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: So why is that never communicated? Because Americans, sure, the
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: median voter, trying to understand where the median voter is
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: coming from is impossible, okay? You will kill yourself if
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you try to understand what these people are thinking.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: You just lost me, Hassan.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I was with you halfway through that, but you lost me.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: But I'm with you.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: No, but what I'm trying to say is this, okay?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: There are Trump supporters out there, okay, that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: That have been deluded into thinking that Donald Trump represented
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: a change. And obviously we saw that buyer's remorse this
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: past Tuesday, right? Especially in Hispanic communities where they were like, oh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that he is actually doing mass deportation.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: And it's... You know, we're in D.C., this is a
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: fairly liberal crowd, and we laugh at those people, but, like,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I talk to those people every day, and there were
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: people that genuinely thought, they genuinely believed that Donald Trump
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: was actually excising the violent criminals. And the only reason
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: why people are led to believe this lie, aside from
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the faucet of misinformation that comes from independent outlets on
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: the right and also Fox News as well, is because
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: there is no robust response from the Democratic Party that
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: says that's a fucking lie. That's a lie. Undocumented migrants
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: in this country are responsible for a lower rate of
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: per capita crime than natural born U.S. citizens are. If
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: you pair that up with documented migrants, it's negligible. It
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: is marginal. And they're hyper focusing on it. specifically because
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: this is a vulnerable population that is easy to target
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: and it's easy to ridicule and there is not enough
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: of a robust defense mechanism out there and that's the
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: reason why people end up believing this bullshit and then
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: they get shocked when it's actually implemented.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: So I think that's a good point and I think
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: I sort of agree with Tim and with Simone about this.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Impossible.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: It's a fundamental rift. Because one of Trump's gifts, one
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: of Trump's gifts is he is, I think he convinced
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: a lot of people he was going to go after criminals,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: but he also said at the convention that they were
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: going to do mass deportations. And I think how to
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: bring it back is that is possible because of a
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: big void. So Trump can do a lot. Trump has
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: room to operate, to maneuver.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: Why?
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Because he has built an authentic connection with millions of
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: people who believe him, who have his back, who think, yeah,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: he'll compromise. It is inconceivable that Kamala Harris would appoint
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Mike Pence to be Secretary of Health and Human Services. Inconceivable.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: We wouldn't live in that world. But Trump can appoint
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: a Kennedy to run the health department. Why? Because he
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: has built such a credible, loyal following. that he, because
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: of the authentic way in which he, you don't have
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: to agree with that. Yes, it is certainly become a cult, right?
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: And then you look at our side and you find
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: the politicians that have that kind of authentic connection to
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: the voters. You look at the list of leadership of
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: the democratic party. How far down do you go before
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: you have somebody that can fill an arena? You have
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: to get to, to Bernie Sanders, you go to Barack Obama,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: you go to Zoran Mamdani, you go to AOC. It
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: is largely on the left. That is the truth of
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: this moment. But it wasn't always true. Barack Obama didn't
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: run from the left. He ran against Washington. Bill Clinton
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: had that kind of momentum. He actually ran from the right.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: But right now, that energy and connection is coming from
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: the left. And so Hassan lays out a group of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: policies that are from the left. I'm not for socialized housing.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: I'm for building a ton of housing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Boo. That's OK.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: But it is a void that the left is currently
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: filling that the leadership of the Democratic Party is not.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: How does Trump get away with all this stuff? How
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: do we get defined as being anti-trans? The other day,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders was asked about the border. And he said,
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: our country's got to have a border. And that pissed
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: off some people.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Me too.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: It pissed off some people on the left. Did it
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: piss off Hassan?
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I disagree with Bernie Sanders' message around
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: that because obviously, yes, nation states have well-defined borders and boundaries.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: But my point about it is he can say that
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: with confidence because everyone knows what Bernie Sanders stands for.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: And so when he is asked about trans issues, when
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: he is asked about issues in which Democrats are not
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: at 55-45 but at 30-70, whatever it may be, He
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: can either say, you know what? I don't care about that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: I'm not talking about that. Or he can answer in
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: a way that maybe riles some of the base, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: you trust him. And that, to me, is the connection between, honestly,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: what seems a bit frivolous, like are we having fun,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: and the actual hard work of politics. Like Zoran, you said.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: was moderating in the last few weeks of the campaign.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I was glad to see that. Tim and I are
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: both people that pushed him hard.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: I almost got a t-shirt.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I am to the left of Tim.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: The ballots came out against him, and I was like, okay,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: we're in business now, Z.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, the reason why Zoran was moderating on, I
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: don't know what he was moderating on. I guess maybe
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you guys were talking about the policing stuff, even though
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: it was, now that the election is over, we can
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: be honest about it. Zohra Mamdani did this brilliant thing
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: that got liberals to basically come to terms with a
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: lot of things that liberal media had considered radical, right?
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Because he had a really good way of communicating these things.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Can you generously call that he did a good job
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: of listening, seeming curious, and being persuasive to bring more
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: people into his life?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but one of the things that he did, but
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: he was still uncompromising. Defund the police always was about
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: making sure that the headcount either remained stable, but then
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: we actually turned around and restructured some.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Defund is the very thing.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Now you're the PR guy. That's the most political you've sounded.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, the thing is, it has a
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: bad rap. No matter what you say or do. Democrats
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: immediately attacked it. They said this is a danger, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: it's partially because Americans really love police. It's unfortunate. I
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: don't know how, because they don't do their fucking jobs ever.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: And I wish they would, because I'm not saying we
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: can live in a.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: Cheering for police to never do their jobs ever?
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: I want to be able to call the police. I
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: just don't want them to think I'm a suspect when
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: they show up.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Exactly.
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: I'm a diagnostic.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: We want a presence of law and order. And unfortunately,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: in many communities, police's presence is lawlessness and disorder. Now,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: having said that, having said that, he wanted to not
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: reduce the headcount necessarily, but at least bring in social
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: workers to take away some of the bandwidth, some of
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the workload from the police. And that was a message
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: that resonated with even Tim Miller, it seems. He liked it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: You want defund the police now.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: No.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Can I just, just really quick, because I think, like Simone,
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: I'm like, you're talking, you're talking, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: Then you say something like, dude, bro. But here's, I think,
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: what Zoran did well that kind of combines part of
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: what you're talking about with what maybe I think, I'm
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: happy he didn't take your advice on part of his campaign.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: But what he did well, are we having fun yet?
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: Zoran was happy. He was having a good fucking time.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: He was a fun hang here on my pod. We
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: had a great time. He had a couple specific things.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: You cooked him on globalized intifada.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: That wasn't his best answer. That wasn't his best answer.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: But we were vibing, though, and people listening to the
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: pod liked it. He had four issues, like you mentioned.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to know what Kamala's issues were.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: I think if you quizzed all of us on here,
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: everybody would say different things. Everybody knew what Zoran's issues were.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: That was good. He was good on that. He could
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: go on a pod with me or somebody else. He
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: could have gone on Rogan for three hours and hung
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: out and had a good time. So he could communicate,
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: he's happy, he had three issues, three or four issues.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: But he also just did, like making the practical decision
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: to say he was gonna keep the police chief rather
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: than doubling down on the tweets that he sent in
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: 2019 with smart, practical politics. Like, you can do both.
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: You can have clear, left-wing policy issues that people understand.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: You can be positive and optimistic, and you can also
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: be practical. He did all of that, like, quite well, actually.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I'll give you, I agree with that. I think his
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: messaging was good on that, and that's precisely what I
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: was talking about. Like, for example, okay, especially, not in, like,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: the broader population's understanding of this issue, but, like, in
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: mainstream media and in American politics, there's a major... division
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: between how the population is receiving what Israel is doing
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: and how our politicians are responding to it, right? And
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: how the media even responds to it. Anti-Zionism is like
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: a scary term or a scary word for a lot
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: of media professionals in a way that like, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: being anti-Israel is not necessarily scary at all for the
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: average person. As a matter of fact, they are very
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: anti-Israel now and there's polling to reflect on that reality. Now,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: what Zoran did so perfectly was to communicate his position
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: in a way that liberals understand it. He turned around
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: and said, yeah, Israel has a right to exist as
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: a nation state that has equal rights and representation for
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: all people. That is identifying that Israel has a Jewish
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: ethnostate project, right? That is identifying that Israel has an
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: exterminationist policy on the Palestinians, and that's incredibly repressive policies
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: on the Palestinians. Is that true for Qatar too?
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: Does Qatar have a right to exist only if everybody
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: has equal rights for all religions? Is that true for Qatar?
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Or just Israel? No, I don't care. I mean, yeah, okay.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: No nation state has a right to exist, including Qatar.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know why you're bringing up Qatar as though
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be like, oh my God, Qatar. They
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: pay me so much money.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, I don't know why that's
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: the only country that doesn't have a right to exist
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: unless they have equal rights for everybody.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Because it's an ethno state.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: It's an ethno state, Dan. All of the countries in
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: that region are an ethno state. No, if you can–
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: Qatar is an ethno-state. Iran is an ethno-state. Jordan is
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: an ethno-state. Saudi is an ethno-state. So I'm okay with
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: criticizing Israel. I'm just saying.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Let's– So you're okay with all of these other countries
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: being ethno-states then and you're not just using that as
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: a deflective mechanism to move the attention away from Israel,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: a country that literally receives more aid and more political
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: support from the United States of America than anyone else.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, a lot of people actually
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: get mad about Qatar because now the Gulf leaders have realized, oh,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: if we give this guy fucking jets, he's going to
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: defend us too. We're oil barons. It's awesome. And that's
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: the reason why it almost feels like people who defend
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Israel are jealous that like now other Gulf nations are
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: trying to do like Israel style things over there. I
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Please, bring us back.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: Anyway.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: I would say this. I would say this.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: He moderated the message without compromise.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: I have disagreements with you on this, as you know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: I will say that Zoran had a challenge, right? And
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: part of his challenge was reassuring a lot of Jewish
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: New Yorkers that are deeply worried about some of his
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: past comments. And he spent a lot of time trying
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: to reassure those people, I think, because he recognized that
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: there was a liability in some of the ways in
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: which his previous statements and some of his positions were
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: seen by a lot of New Yorkers, which is where
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: more Jews on earth live than in any other place
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: than in Israel.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: True.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: And he sought to address it. Now, without getting into
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: the details of where... I think he had.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: To do that because he's Muslim. I'm going to be honest.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I think it was racism, straight up. He had never
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: said a single thing that was even remotely anti-Semitic, and
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: yet the media constantly kept needling him on that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with that. And I don't agree with
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: that because it's honestly impossible to know because it's overdetermined.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Do I think that there is Islamophobia in the reaction
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: to Zoran? Of course there is. Do I think there's
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: genuine concerns about some of the things he said? Of
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: course there is.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Can you tell me what you think?
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Hold on, you can't tease it out.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: What was concerning?
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Well, he got elected, so does that argument really matter?
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: He is now the mayor-elect.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: Of New York City.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: So the reason I.
• 50:55
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  Speaker 6: Talking about the.
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  Speaker 5: Overlap of the ways in which Zoran built a big
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: enthusiastic base of support, talking about the ways in which
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: Democrats have a void of people not really knowing what
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: they stand for, which lets them be buffeted by issues
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: where there are kind of, whether it's trans issues or
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: other kind of issues where they feel like they're on
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: their heels. And there's this debate about throwing people under
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: the bus and What are the lessons that you think
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: Democrats should be taking from the success on Tuesday? You know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer was afraid to.
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: So I.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: So this is now going to be the third time
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer has been booed at a Democratic event I've
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: been at in 48 hours. And.
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: All right, are you ready? The former Republican's going to
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: praise Chuck Schumer right now. The shutdown strategy's worked pretty good.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: We're doing great on the shutdown.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: You better give him a little claps. Shutdown strategy turned
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: out to work pretty good. Everybody's like, oh, Chuck.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had to drag him to finally do that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: He had an opportunity to do it earlier.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: At least he's there. What is Jessica doing?
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: Simone, you were going to leave the Democratic Party in March.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, about every six months I got to
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: do a gut check. Every member of the 92%, that's
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: how we sustain ourselves.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: It's like renewing your vows.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Very much so. Very happy to be with my husband.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer is being afraid of Democrats being tied to Zoran.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: He is less afraid, it seems to me, about the
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: young people and people that support Zoran not seeing Schumer
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: on their side. And so, Jessica, how do Democrats confidently
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: assert that we are a big tent that includes everyone
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: from Mikey Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger and Tim Miller and
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Hassan and Zoran, without ignoring the genuine and real politics
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: of moderates not wanting to be tagged as New York
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: or San Francisco socialists, which is real and we can't ignore.
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: Well, I think so.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: I just want to say, since I've been looking and
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: reading Are We Having Fun Yet?, the last 10 minutes
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: were the opposite of fun.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: And.
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: I think that, no, but it's important for our electoral
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: strategy because that fight is the opposite of fun. It
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen. But when you are
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: the party that is being represented by that kind of
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: screaming back and forth versus saying the stuff that we
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: agree upon, that we're like all of the candidates that
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: won were affordability candidates. It sounded different out of Abigail
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: Spanberger's mouth and what she was talking about than out
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: of Zoran's mouth. But we all got to the place
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: where they thought the Democrats want us to have more
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: housing and more money in our pockets. And the Republicans
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: have been dicking us over.
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: With their policies.
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: And so that's where we have to be. I was
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: so excited by Zoran's campaign in that it finally felt
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: to me like there was some Obama energy back. And
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: as an elder millennial who spends a lot of time
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: with Gen Zs, I'm sad for them that they don't
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: know what hope and change felt like. They don't know
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: what it meant to watch him from the DNC convention
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: through when he left.
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: Tim's like, it was terrible.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: That was fun.
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: He was good. I got some goosebumps every now and then.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: No, I hated the DNC for sure. Like, I'll stand
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but people finding community, people combating loneliness, people having
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: shared purpose.
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: You know, getting outside, touching grass, all of that.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: That's what politics means to me. And you want a
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: great policy agenda, of course, but you really want to
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: feel common cause with people. And you can have disagreements about,
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: you know, various issues.
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: But that is the path forward for me.
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: And that's not going to come from Chuck Schumer. I
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: think Chuck Schumer is, you know, past his sell-by date
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: in terms of leading the party this way.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: But, you know, Chuck Schumer, I think that he was
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: right to recruit Roy Cooper and Sherrod Brown to be
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: running for those Senate seats. And I hope that they're
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: going to win. And I feel good about that. And
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: I think that, you know, his Mamdani stuff is about himself.
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: And he's, you know, he voted in the election. He's
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: a Jewish New Yorker in Brooklyn there. and Mondani got
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: 30% of the Jewish vote, which is very low. He
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: has work to do with the community. I hope that
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: he will do that work. But I don't think focusing
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: on Chuck Schumer is the answer to it. It's the energy,
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: and that there was energy across New Jersey, and there's
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: energy in Virginia, and there's energy in New York, and
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: that's the kind of organizing. It's not, big democratic energy.
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: It's individual candidates that have this affordability message and are
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: communicating as a naval pilot, as a CIA officer, or
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: a community organizer.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: And this can be for everybody. So Trump is also
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: now giving us a pretty big opportunity. On the one hand,
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: he's been going after comedians, and he's you know, trying
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: to get Kimmel canceled. He's angry about Seth Meyers every
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: other day. He's tearing down parts of the White House,
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: which was a strange choice, which I tried to walk
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: to see it. And they've built giant walls so that
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: we don't see the construction site. And you know, Trump
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: is not doing as many rallies as he used to do.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: He's really kind of ensconced now in Mar-a-Lago and the
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: White House at his Great Gatsby. parties, he's tweeting out
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: photos of marble bathrooms. Even some of his top staff
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: now are living on military bases. They've isolated themselves in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: a lot of ways. Do we now have the opportunity
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: to say, hey, they're the hall monitors and out of
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: touch scolds. We're the ones that actually understand what's going on.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: And is there a way, to me, is there a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: way to have a unifying agenda? that does what Hassan
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: is talking about, but is one that is appealing to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: maybe not every single most centrist Democrat, but a broad
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: enough and big enough agenda that you would like, and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: Tim would like, and Jessica would like, that we can
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: get behind.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I just think, I just come at this from, as
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: a former strategist, I was a comms person for most
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: of my career, and I did campaigns from, say, legislative
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: races to judges races to presidentials.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, I worked in the White House.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you'd agree with me here, Tim,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: but I think that the wrong, the answer is not, okay,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: just these five things and then da-da-da-da.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: I think the answer is about the strategy.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And the what things you put under your strategy depends
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: on what candidate you are and where you are running.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: because coming up in 2026, there are gubernatorial races, there
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: are state legislative races, like 2026 and frankly 2027 are
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: really about 2028.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: And then 2030.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And you have to win state legislative seats. You have
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: to win the governor's races, but you also... you know,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you should want to take back the House and the Senate. Okay,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: and how do you do that? It is not by saying,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: we only do these five things right here. No, it
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: is about what is the strategy. And the strategy does
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: have to be touch grass, talk to people. You need
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: to understand your constituents in your community. So whether it's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Abigail Spanberger, Mikey Sherrill, or Zora Mondami, the thing, to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Jessica's point, that they all did well is they understood
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: what the people wanted. Affordability in Jersey and Virginia also
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: meant energy. Energy prices are way up. One of the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: things that Mikey Sherrill said that people got behind is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: that she wanted to declare a state of emergency on
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: energy on day one.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: And that is what she plans to do.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of, I talked to the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: folks whose job it was to go out there and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: organize African-American voters in New Jersey. And they said for
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: the black voters in New Jersey that they talked to,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: that for them, it was bigger than Mikey Sherrill. They
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: were dealing with all of these issues that they listed
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: that had to do with affordability and whatnot. And they
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: felt like what was happening in the other states and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: places in this country, voting for Mikey Sherrill was going
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: to keep that from happening because Jack Turtarelli was very
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: much so aligned with Donald Trump. So I think that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: you have to just stay close to the issues and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the races. But the answer is not the party apparatus
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: says this is the answer is not those posse papers
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that these people keep putting out.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: That's not the answer.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: From my perspective because that's not how you win races
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: by campaigning. And you go out there and you talk
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: to people and you earn their votes. You do not
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: win a race by a policy paper. And I just
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: think that there's all this focus on how can we
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: align on these five issues and not a focus on
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: what is our strategy. Is our strategy staying close to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: the people? It's why Democrats, the shutdown fight, it is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: terrible for people in this country who work.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: In the federal government. That is absolutely terrible.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: What the Democrats are doing is, at the end of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the day, it's going to benefit all of those people
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: because they are fighting, but they settled on a strategy.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: Isn't this a good example, though, this shutdown, exactly what
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: we're talking about, which is Democrats chose an issue. I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: was skeptical. I was skeptical of every choice. To be honest,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't think there was a good option for Democrats.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: We're not playing with the best hand. But we chose
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: health care. We chose it. And we said we're going
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: to take this to its logical conclusion. And it's worked
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: better than anyone, I think, really predicted.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: But can I just note, they didn't just choose health care.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: They chose a very specific thing that was happening in Congress.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: that was tangible, that connected to people's everyday lives, that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: they could see. And so when I say we don't
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: need to choose all the, like, that was a strategy.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: Exactly, no, I'm agreeing with you, I'm agreeing with you.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just, we're getting, I think, I was having fun,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: by the way. We could do a whole nother hour.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the disagreement, I think the disagreement
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: is necessary.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: I also would say, I'm also like, you know, I'm
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: pretty easy to please. I mean, like, Zoran had me. Like,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know what more you people want from me.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: You know, I voted.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: I voted for three straight Democratic presidents, and I was
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: gonna vote for Zoran for mayor, so I'm pretty easy
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: to please. So you can get me on board. Here's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: what you have to do. Look at this. Some specific things.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: Have some fucking balls. Like, run a fucking campaign. Tell
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: us what your campaign is about. Don't be a fascist.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: And be able to talk. And be able to talk.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: And be able to communicate to people and lift them up. And, like, it's...
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: that seems like that isn't that hard, but it's kind
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: of been for us for the last 10 years. But
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: that's how I would summarize it.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: I do think we're coming from behind in part because
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: I think we've paid for having, like if you were
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: someone coming up in politics and you see who the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: standard bearers of our party have been for the last
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: 10 years, you might not know exactly that Democrats used
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: to be fun and cool. So we have one minute left. Hasan,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: final thought?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to get rid of the gerontocracy within
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: the party. Down with the seniority structure that we have.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: We need real whips in the party. This is something
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: that I talk to you about. This is something that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: I talk to the Pa Johns about every single time.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: If you have people who don't want to play ball.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what kind of whips?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Like, you know it.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: I don't. Like whipping boats. I don't mean it in the...
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Unless it's Joe Manchin, in which case, you know, maybe... No,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: I'm kidding. Of course, I can't use spicy language here.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: But we need to... We need to make sure... that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: we earned the trust of the working class back. And
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: I think that they have been hyper-focused on culture war narratives.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: And the only reason why they've been hyper-focused on culture
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: war narratives is because we have not done enough on
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: the left flank to say, no, we are with you.
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  Speaker 3: We will fight for you. We're going to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that we solve your economic hardships.
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  Speaker 5: And Jessica, you're just going to go back in there
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  Speaker 5: and you're going to fight all these people and you're
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  Speaker 5: going to defeat them for us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 3: You got this, girl.
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  Speaker 7: But I agree with all of what was just said
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  Speaker 7: as the kind of final wrap-up stuff. But, you know,
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  Speaker 7: this idea you need to be able to talk. You
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  Speaker 7: need to be able to talk where I talk. You
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  Speaker 7: don't need to be able to talk for three hours
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  Speaker 7: with people who agree with you.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's easy.
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  Speaker 7: I launched a podcast last year like everybody else. I
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  Speaker 7: can get anyone who's going to be running for president
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  Speaker 7: to come on my pod. They're dying to do it.
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  Speaker 7: The tougher conversations are the ones that we need to
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  Speaker 7: be having because that's how you can get in people's
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  Speaker 7: faces and say, that isn't what my party stands for.
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  Speaker 7: We're not a communist party. We're not a socialist party.
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  Speaker 7: We're a big tent party.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 5: We're a big tent that includes some socialists. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: A democratic socialist is not a socialist. I mean, they
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: use these words interchangeably.
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  Speaker 6: Hassan was pro-USSR this week.
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  Speaker 5: We're wrapping it up. We're ending on a high note.
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  Speaker 4: Are we having fun?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: Are we having fun? All right. And I do think,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, like, I hear... Look, what's great about
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  Speaker 5: being part of a big coalition is being comfortable with
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  Speaker 5: the moments of tension and discomfort and disagreement because Republicans can't...
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: You're right, they're... They've been a little less scoldy. But
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: they also are running to squash dissent because they're not
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: comfortable with discomfort. They're trying to tell people that politics
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: is easy and there's never any time where you need
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: to feel conflicted or bad or that anything is hard.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: That's a kind of part of the appeal of fascism.
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  Speaker 5: Democratic politics can be tough. Democracy can be tough. But
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  Speaker 5: we are part of a big coalition. And I just
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  Speaker 5: think we can all have fun together.
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  Speaker 8: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for coming to this. And thank you to Jessica Tarlow,
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  Speaker 5: Tim Miller, Hasan Piker, and Simone Sanders.
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  Speaker 12: Joining us live here at CrookedCon, he's one of the
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  Speaker 12: Democratic Party's loudest voices calling out the dangers of the
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  Speaker 12: Trump administration.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome, Senator Chris Murphy.
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  Speaker 6: Hey. Thanks, Dan.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 12: Before we get started, I would note the senator has
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  Speaker 12: a vote, so we're going to probably have to wrap
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  Speaker 12: this up a little about five minutes early because we
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: can't let him miss the vote. But we're going to
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  Speaker 12: be here for as long as we possibly can.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 12: Let's start with the good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: So the mood, as you can tell in this room,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: is much better because of what happened on Tuesday. How
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  Speaker 12: are you interpreting those results?
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  Speaker 9: Well, democracy is, for the time being, still alive and well.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 9: Listen, obviously the.
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  Speaker 11: Election on Tuesday was first and foremost a referendum on
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  Speaker 11: Trump's corruption, his chaos. It was an important statement in
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  Speaker 11: every corner of the country that the American public are
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 11: not ready to turn our government over to a would-be dictator.
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  Speaker 11: But there's another message, I think, that comes from Tuesday
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  Speaker 11: as well, and it's one that I hope Democrats are
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  Speaker 11: able to learn, which is that people want an opposition
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  Speaker 11: party that is willing to stand up and fight in
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  Speaker 11: this country. It is not coincidental that we got that
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  Speaker 11: big victory at the first moment when the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 11: is showing real resolve, is showing a willingness to stand
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  Speaker 11: up to this guy. And so as I've said over
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  Speaker 11: the last few days, it's important for us to hear
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  Speaker 11: the voters and continue the fight that we're engaged in
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  Speaker 11: right now. So it was, I think, a really important moment.
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  Speaker 11: I think the result of Tuesday will be that a
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  Speaker 11: lot of folks who maybe hadn't been thinking of sitting
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  Speaker 11: on the sidelines, some of the corporate elites, the higher
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 11: education elites, the legal elites who were maybe thinking that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 11: Trump had already won this fight will now realize that
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  Speaker 11: the fight is still on. And I think it ends
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  Speaker 11: up giving confidence to a lot of people and a
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  Speaker 11: lot of institutional players all around the country to maybe
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  Speaker 11: reenter the fight to save democratic norms and the foundation
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  Speaker 11: of our democracy.
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  Speaker 12: Obviously, huge wins, but these wins are mostly in bluish states, right?
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  Speaker 12: New Jersey, Virginia, two states, Kamala Harris won, California. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: Georgia is obviously the exception. Do you worry that there's
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  Speaker 12: maybe a danger of over-reading this, right? To think maybe
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 12: it kind of as Democrats did after 2022, that the
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  Speaker 12: voters are with us. I mean, like you can ignore
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  Speaker 12: some of the hard questions that still exist after 2024.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 11: I think it's interesting that the party has not been able,
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  Speaker 11: I think thus far, to find the oxygen to do
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  Speaker 11: a real autopsy as to how we got to this point.
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  Speaker 11: And that's understandable at some level because we've had to
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  Speaker 11: be engaged in this, I mean, just epic scale fight
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  Speaker 11: to save the country. But the reality is, if you
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  Speaker 11: look at the United States Senate the best right now
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 11: that Senate Democrats can do if we run.
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  Speaker 9: The table is 52 seats.
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  Speaker 11: Because right now, for the time being, we're not competitive
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  Speaker 11: in a lot of states that just a decade ago
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  Speaker 11: we were competitive in. And so we do have to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 11: wrestle with why we have lost a lot of low-income voters,
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  Speaker 11: why rural areas have abandoned Democrats. And Trump will make
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  Speaker 11: us more electable in some of those places, but it
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  Speaker 11: probably doesn't get us over the hump in a place
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  Speaker 11: like Missouri or Florida, where just two seconds ago we
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 11: were running candidates that won. So I am certainly worried
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  Speaker 11: about the fact that the party has only 12 months
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  Speaker 11: to go before the midterm election and maybe hasn't done
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  Speaker 11: enough of that reckoning with what went wrong that will
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  Speaker 11: allow us to once again be a national party able
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  Speaker 11: to win everywhere.
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  Speaker 12: Not that I expect you to have all the answers here,
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  Speaker 12: but one of the reasons we're all gathered here together
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  Speaker 12: is to try to figure out questions like this. Do
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  Speaker 12: you have some thoughts on how Democrats get back to
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  Speaker 12: a world where we can win the Ohio's, the Iowa's,
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  Speaker 12: the Montana's, or even some states in the South, some
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  Speaker 12: things we should do differently, different kind of candidates we
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 12: should be open to?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 11: And I'll give you sort of three simple ideas. First,
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  Speaker 11: I just do believe that it's not a mistake that
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  Speaker 11: the only person in our party that draws crowds of 50,000, 60,000, 70,000
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  Speaker 11: is Bernie Sanders and AOC. I just think you have
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  Speaker 11: to tell a story, and you obviously are better at
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 11: this than anybody, but you have to tell a story,
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  Speaker 11: a narrative.
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  Speaker 3: And that narrative.
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  Speaker 11: Has to not only tell you how we're gonna make
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  Speaker 11: your lives better, but it has to tell people who's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 11: screwing them. And there's a true story out there about
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: the corporate class, the billionaire class, consolidated economic power making
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 11: people's lives miserable in this country. And the Democratic Party
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: has become this sort of technocratic party that only talks
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 11: about solutions, solutions that are largely about just rearranging the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 11: pieces on the existing marketplace playing field. We've gotta be
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 11: a party that talks about who has too much power
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  Speaker 11: and exactly how we are going to radically and immediately
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  Speaker 11: shift power from people who have too much of it
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 11: to people who have not enough of it. The second
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 11: thing we have to do, has become a big tent
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: party again. And I know this is a tough conversation
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 11: for our party, but if it were up to me,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 11: we would be a party with two big tent poles,
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  Speaker 11: a tent pole that talks about unrigging our economy and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 11: a tent pole that talks about unrigging our democracy, right?
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  Speaker 11: Getting big money, anonymous money, billionaire money out of politics,
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  Speaker 11: And by the way, admitting that you have to do
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  Speaker 11: big things to do that, like if it takes a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 11: constitutional amendment to get big money out of politics, we
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 11: should be refer a constitutional.
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  Speaker 9: Amendment to get big money out of politics. But Dan, that.
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  Speaker 11: Means that you are letting people into the tent, perhaps
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 11: nominating candidates or being present in areas where you know,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 11: folks might not be with us on all of the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 11: social and cultural issues, might not even not be with
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 11: us on, you know, issues that I care deeply about
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 11: like guns, but I just think we have a better
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 11: chance of convincing them if they step inside because they
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 11: align with us on a higher minimum wage or on
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: campaign finance reform. So I just think we have to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 11: become that Big Ten party again. And then the last
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 11: suggestion I'd have is just how we spend our money.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 11: We've been corrupted by a consultant class in the Democratic
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  Speaker 11: Party that tells us to spend money only on 30-second
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 11: TV ads and digital ads. The Republican Party goes out
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 11: and builds a permanent messaging and mobilization infrastructure. We talk
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 11: about that all the time, but we end up spending
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 11: almost all of our money on ads that disappear as
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 11: soon as the last election is over. And so if
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  Speaker 11: you wanna win in this country as a Democratic Party,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 11: be a big tent, be a pugilistically populist party, and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 11: spend money on permanent messaging and mobilization infrastructure.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 12: Speaking of populism, what do you make of Zoran Mamdani's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 12: win in New York City and some of the discomfort
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 12: that some Democrats, including some of the Democratic leadership, have
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 12: had with that sort of candidate?
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  Speaker 11: You know, it was it almost got to the point
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  Speaker 11: of being hilarious. You look at Mamdani's interviews in the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 11: final days of the campaign and you couldn't ask him
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 11: a question. that he didn't answer by talking about the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 11: cost of living in New York, right? I mean, he
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 11: was so laser-like focused on cost. There was a survey
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 11: done of Democratic social media posts, maybe two or three
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 11: years ago, and it showed the percentage of our social
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 11: media communications that talk about the economy You know what
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 11: the percentage was?
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  Speaker 6: 10%.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 11: One out of 10 messages from the Democratic Party is
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 11: about economics. Now, we were talking about a lot of
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 11: other stuff that's really important, but when you only spend
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 11: 10% of your time talking about economics, people start to
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 11: take the hint that maybe you are not gonna fight
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 11: as hard as you say you're gonna fight when you
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 11: get into office. So that relentless focus on the economy. Second,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 11: just being authentic and not being worried about making mistakes.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 11: in your communication, not vetting every single thing you say
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 11: through communications professionals. And then a realization that if you don't, listen,
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  Speaker 11: I don't agree with Zoran on everything, but you are
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: actually perceived as illegitimate to voters if all of your
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 11: views are inside the 40-yard lines. If you don't have
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 11: one or two things that a voter vehemently disagrees with
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 11: you on, they get suspicious of you. And so just
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 11: being true to what you— and also they have a bullshit
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 11: sensitivity that voters probably didn't have as acutely decades ago.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 11: And so if you aren't authentic, if you don't have
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 11: a couple views that are a little outside of the mainstream,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 11: you are actually not perceived as real and thus not
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 11: electable as a Democrat in this country today.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 12: Let's talk about the shutdown, right? We are— I don't
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 12: even know what day we're on now, but it's the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 12: longest shutdown in history. Some of the people who are
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 12: here today are people who would be at work in
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 12: the federal government somewhere were it not for the shutdown.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 12: There's been all this talk right before the election, even
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 12: after the election, about some group of Senate Democrats who
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 12: are negotiating with or open to negotiating with the Republicans
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 12: around some sort of deal to open the government exchange
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 12: for a vote on the Obamacare subsidies. What is the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 12: status of those negotiations, you can tell us? What do
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 12: you think Democrats should need in exchange to end the shutdown?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, first, let me say this.
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  Speaker 11: In this audience, I know are people that, A, right
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 11: now have been furloughed, have been without a paycheck for
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 11: over a month. People in this audience who have been
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: illegally fired from their jobs. First and foremost, let me
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 11: just say from the bottom of my heart, thank you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 11: for what you have done for this country. Thank you
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 11: for the sacrifice that you have made. So I went
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 11: down to South Florida on Monday with Elizabeth Warren and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 11: Tina Smith. And we went down there because in South
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 11: Florida is the highest concentration of people who have ACA
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 11: plans in some parts of South Florida, 25% of residents
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 11: have an ACA plan. And if these premium increases go
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 11: into effect and you're talking about premiums doubling or tripling
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 11: for folks across the country, but particularly in this area,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 11: where we have a high concentration, we're talking about a
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 11: meltdown of the healthcare system. And so, yes, there is
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 11: deep pain in a shutdown. People are not getting paid.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 11: Food stamp benefits are at risk. Obviously, travel gets interrupted.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 11: But if we don't stop these premium increases from going
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 11: into effect, there is life and death pain as well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 11: And so it is important for my colleagues to realize
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 11: that there is no good choice here. The Republicans have
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 11: put us in an impossible position. Listen, for me, coming
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 11: off of Tuesday, when the people of this country told
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 11: Democrats to fight, it would be heartbreaking for Democrats to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 11: make an immediate decision to stop fighting.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: So I.
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  Speaker 12: Guess the question is, how does it end, right? Like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 12: there is, you know, a Senate vote without a guarantee
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 12: of a House vote is, that's fake, right? Like you're
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 12: not actually solving, you're getting something, but it's really, but
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 12: the people who are, premiums are going up, are getting nothing.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 12: And I just, like, I really feel like you guys
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 12: are in an impossible position of you're negotiating with people
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 12: or you're standing off against people who do not seem
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 12: to care about hurting their own voters. You're in Florida,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 12: which has the highest percentage of people on plans, people using,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 12: get the subsidies. The subsidies largely benefit people in states
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 12: that did not expand Medicaid, which are red states. So
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 12: how do you sort of think about how to bring
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 12: this thing to a close when there's no good faith
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 12: partner to negotiate with here?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's charitable to suggest that they don't
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 11: care hurting their voters they actually do seem to care
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 11: about hurting their voters in that they are deliberately trying
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 11: to make the shutdown as painful as possible these are
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 11: these are nihilists right that were that we're dealing with
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 11: which which makes it hard I mean listen I think
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 11: you have to listen to Donald Trump what did he
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 11: say on Tuesday morning he said that the shutdown is
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 11: hurting Republicans and we should realize that most Americans have
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 11: not actually gone on to the website to see what
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 11: their new premium increase is. Many of the rates were
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 11: just posted a few days ago. We should understand that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 11: Donald Trump's pollsters are telling their party's leaders that they
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 11: are going to lose the midterms. They're gonna lose both
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 11: the House and the Senate if they don't stop these
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 11: premium increases from going into effect. And so I just
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 11: think we have to have faith that there are a
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 11: lot of reasons why the Republicans, as this nightmare of
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 11: premium increases starts to become more real, are going to
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 11: be willing to sit down and cut a deal. We
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 11: made an offer just an hour ago to Republicans in
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 11: which we said, listen, we will vote to end the
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 11: shutdown today for a simple one-year term. extension of these premiums. Previously,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 11: we've been talking about two or three years. We made
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 11: a really, really simple offer here. I think as the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 11: days go on, it is going to be much harder
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 11: for them to say, no, we can be reasonable. We
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: were reasonable in the offer we made today, but to
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 11: fold at this point, I think ultimately, A, doesn't help
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 11: the people we're trying to help in our healthcare system,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 11: but also empowers Trump to act more brazenly and more
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 11: illegally in knowing that the Democratic Party really in the
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: end doesn't have the stuff necessary to stand up to him.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 11: So I think if we don't get something for the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 11: people we say we have been fighting for, not only
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 11: is there an immediate impact on them, but there is
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 11: potential more pain coming from an emboldened President Trump.
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  Speaker 12: You know, this is the point in a typical election
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  Speaker 12: cycle where the House Speaker and the Senate Majority Leader
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 12: become laser focused on nothing more than keeping their jobs
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  Speaker 12: in the majority. Like what just maybe, maybe there's no answers,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 12: but help me understand why when Trump says it's hurting
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 12: the shutdown, it's hurting them, the shutdown's hurting them. Trump's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 12: pollster said it would be a 12 point shift in
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 12: the generic ballot if they let these things expire. And
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 12: he said that before the shutdown, like what is like,
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  Speaker 12: what are they doing? I don't really understand like the
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  Speaker 12: thinking here. It makes like, There's just no logic to it.
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  Speaker 9: You're asking me to try to explain what.
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  Speaker 12: Republicans are thinking. You go to the gym with these people.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 12: I mean, you see them in the hallway. You talk
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 12: to more Republicans than these guys do, I think.
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  Speaker 6: Certainly than I do.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, they don't have any independent thought process.
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  Speaker 11: They are employees, right?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 11: They just take direction from Donald Trump. Now, he did
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 11: give him a direction on Tuesday morning in the Senate.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 11: He said, go and change the rules immediately. of the Senate,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 11: but Senate Republicans sort of scratched their head because they
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 11: just got wiped out on Tuesday. They are now increasingly
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 11: likely to lose the Senate next November, and they thought
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 11: to themselves, do I really want to change the rules
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 11: so that when Democrats take control, we can very easily
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 11: pass into law Roe versus Wade and universal background checks
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 11: and an extension of the voting.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 9: Rights law with 50 votes.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 11: So maybe there are very limited moments when they choose
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 11: not to follow his instructions, but no, by and large,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 11: even if he is telling them to take a barrel
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 11: over Niagara Falls, which is what they're kind of doing
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 11: right now politically, They are going to follow instructions like
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 11: good cult members do.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: It was very funny.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 12: I watched the video, the very strange video that Trump
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 12: put out arguing for eliminating the filibuster. And it sounded
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 12: to me almost exactly like a bizarre version of a
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 12: 2021 Potsdamerica episode. We were selling abolished filibuster shirts back
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 12: in those days when you guys tried to get the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 12: voting rights bill passed. Let's talk about a little general
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 12: strategy here, right? Like, one of the things that you
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 12: have become very known for since Trump took office is, like,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 12: just being a very vocal spokesperson who's sort of, like,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 12: calling it as it is, not mincing words around the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 12: dangers to democracy, to our freedoms, to Trump becoming authoritarian. Now,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 12: at the same time, you know, you have Mondani winning
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 12: this race on affordability. There's this report that's hiding the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 12: win that came out last week that's, like, Democrats have
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 12: to talk about economic issues, that's.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: What everyone cares about.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 12: How do you sort of think about the balance of
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 12: these obviously critical assaults on democracy that we know are
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 12: of great interest to the people in this room, but
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 12: maybe not to Swinkler? How do you sort of think
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 12: about your messaging?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so I don't think of it as two different stories.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 11: I think of it as the same story. It's not
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 11: a story about his assault on costs and making people's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 11: economic lives more miserable and his assault on democracy, it's
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 11: the same story in this sense. What is his goal
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 11: as president? His goal as president is to turn the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 11: federal government into a vehicle to enrich himself and his
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 11: billionaire friends and to steal from people, to raise your
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 11: costs in order to reserve enough money so that he
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 11: can give it all to his pals. That's deeply unpopular.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 11: Nobody wants that, right? The big, beautiful bills, the biggest
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 11: transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 11: to the rich in the history of the country, it's
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 11: wildly unpopular. So how do you get away with just
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 11: stealing from regular people? Well, you destroy the rule of law.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 11: You destroy the ability of people to dissent, to protest,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 11: and to stand up and object in elections. And so, yes,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 11: he is trying to turn our government into a kleptocratic
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 11: oligarchy in which he hurts us to help he and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 11: his Mar-a-Lago cronies. The only way he gets away with
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 11: that is to destroy the democracy. So, and I just
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 11: explained that in you know, 60 seconds, but you can
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: actually explain that in 20 seconds. And so I think
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 11: as long as we tell those two twin stories together,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 11: people will get it. And I also do think that
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 11: we maybe have overlearned our lesson a little bit from 2024.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: It is true.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 11: Like our democracy message did not land in 2024 in
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 11: large part because people were like, well, why do I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 11: want to save this version of democracy?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 11: Like this version of democracy sucks. It just works for
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 11: the elites and the billionaire class. But that doesn't mean
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 11: that people aren't plugged in right now to the actual threat.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 11: And the polling tells you that 80% of the American
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 11: public thinks that we are in a political crisis right now,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 11: that more than half of Americans believe that their right
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 11: to free speech is at risk. So I think you
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 11: tell it together, and I think that you have confidence
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 11: that the democracy part of the story actually does resonate
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 11: and turn people out in a way that maybe it
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 11: didn't a year ago, that's how I think about it.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: It's interesting.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 12: I think that you hit earlier when you were talking
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 12: about how we reach these voters in these red states,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 12: what I think is the key solution to this challenge,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 12: which is we need a reform agenda because we have
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 12: to be the, what happened in the Biden era is
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 12: we became the party that was defending democracy as is.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 12: We were the status quo people, but if we can
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 12: be the party that's trying to reform democracy, to get
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 12: the corporate power out, get the money out, like that's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 12: a different message And it gives people a sense that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 12: we're fighting for something better than we currently have.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 11: So when I entered politics 20, 30 years ago, so
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 11: campaign finance reform, right? Getting, you know, big corrupt money
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 11: out of politics was like a top three or four
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 11: issue for Democrats. And something happened over the last 20
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 11: years in which it barely cracked the top 10. Some
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 11: of it is that our democracy reform agenda migrated from
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 11: big money to voting rights. And that's for good reason,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 11: because they were and still are trying to stop people
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 11: from voting.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 12: But it is also- They were going to ban dark
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 12: money in the John Lewis bill last year.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 9: Or Right, but it wasn't necessarily what we led with.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 11: It is just true, though, that Trump did get elected
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 11: on his promise to drain the swamp. People do want
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 11: to vote for a party that they think is going
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 11: to clean up Washington. Right now, they don't really believe
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 11: that we're much less corrupt than they are, in part
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 11: because they don't hear us talking every single day about
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 11: that reform agenda. And so that's why I get back
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 11: to my prescription policy. my amateur prescription for the party,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 11: which is make the tent pole, make 75% of what
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 11: you talk about, unrigging the economy, big ideas to put
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 11: money in people's pockets, simple ideas like Mom Domini had,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 11: and talk all the time about what you're going to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 11: do to unrig the democracy and make the influential have
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 11: less power and regular people have more power.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 12: One last quick question here, because we know we got
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 12: to get you this vote. How are, you know, one
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 12: of the great concerns people in this audience is that
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 12: the Republicans are going to do something to try to
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 12: steal the 2026 elections. How are you thinking about that problem?
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 12: Anything you guys are doing to get ahead of it?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think, you know, continuing to invest in good
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 11: local and state leaders, which is why these elections were
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 11: so critical. We made a smart play, which was to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 11: put a lot of focus and investment on governors and
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 11: mayors who are the actual people who administer elections. And
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 11: so I think we can have some confidence that Right now,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 11: in the states that are going to matter, we have
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 11: people who are going to protect against these efforts to
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 11: try to corrupt elections. I think we have to be
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 11: in a real active public and private conversation with social
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 11: media companies that right now are being corrupted by Donald
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 11: Trump to essentially allow for election distortion and interference to
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 11: exist on their platforms, that if they do that, and
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 11: Donald Trump doesn't win, that they should keep their records
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 11: and that there's gonna be a price to be paid
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 11: for essentially helping Donald Trump try to engage in election intimidation.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 11: And then lastly, just keep on turning out, right? There's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 11: this political science that says if 3% of a population
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 11: is engaged in regular protest, It just becomes this secret
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 11: sauce which puts enough sand in the gears to protect
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 11: your democracy from destruction. The institutional players who would have
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 11: to fold to essentially steal an election are just a
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 11: little bit less likely to do that. And that includes
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 11: the Supreme Court, right, who are full of politicians who
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 11: want to do Trump's bidding but don't want to get
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 11: too far outside of the political mainstream. They are all
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 11: watching you. They are all watching whether No Kings is
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 11: just a once a year phenomenon or if it becomes
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 11: a once a month phenomenon. And so the amount of
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 11: buying you need to steal an election is pretty large
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 11: and public protest at scale is probably the key ingredient
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 11: to keep the folks we need to stay straight from
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 11: being corrupted when Donald Trump asks. So I wish it
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 11: were more simple than that, but there's nothing more important
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 11: than your ability to be present and to organize your
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 11: friends and neighbors in being present during this moment.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 12: That is a great place to end it. Please give
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 12: it up for Senator Chris Murphy. Senator Murphy, thanks for
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 12: being here.
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