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Speaker 1: eighteen eighty eight, five female prostitutes were brutally murdered in
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Speaker 1: Jack the Ripper. For centuries, we've assumed these women were
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Speaker 2: It's a warm September evening. The sky has darkened and
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Speaker 2: Alice as she steams through London. Music, singing, and the
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Speaker 2: a holiday feld. No one notices that the craft is
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Speaker 2: moving directly into the course of a great iron holed freighter.
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Speaker 2: The Princess Alice plows on her paddle wheels, biting into
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Speaker 2: the rank sewage brought waters of the Thames. What unfolds
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Speaker 2: over the next few terrible minutes will be a tragedy
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Speaker 2: for the city, but an opportunity for Elizabeth's stride. Maybe
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Speaker 2: the first time she has benefited from the misfortune of others,
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Speaker 2: but it will not be the last, before she meets
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Speaker 2: her murderer on the streets of Whitechapel. I'm Hallie rubin Holt.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to Bad Women. The Ripper retold, a series
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Speaker 2: about the real lives of the women killed by Jack
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Speaker 2: the Ripper and how we got their stories so wrong.
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Speaker 2: One side, money plenty and friends too by the scar.
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Speaker 2: Then fortune smart upon me and long one pass m
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Speaker 2: a lonely and not twelve halfet lone seems too lovely.
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Speaker 2: I'm comfy from Elizabeth, Gustav's daughter, was borne by candlelight
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Speaker 2: in the darkness of a Swedish November. Her father tended
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Speaker 2: the land and rural towards landa, cultivating fields of grain,
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Speaker 2: flax and potatoes. He also owned a barn, several cows, pigs, chickens,
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Speaker 2: and a horse. The family was more prosperous than many
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Speaker 2: in the area, and Elizabeth grew up in a sturdy
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Speaker 2: clapboard farmhouse as a farmer's daughter. In the eighteen forties.
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Speaker 2: She would have been initiated into the routine of agricultural
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Speaker 2: life as soon as she was steady enough on her
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Speaker 2: feet to carry pails and gather eggs. When she grew older,
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Speaker 2: she would have assisted with milking, tending the chickens and pigs,
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Speaker 2: making butter, and even distilling aquavit, the alcoholic liquor traditionally
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Speaker 2: offered at meal times in Swedish households. Elizabeth's local community
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Speaker 2: was small and conservative. She was raised a Lutheran, and
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Speaker 2: prayer would have punctuated her days upon waking, before meals
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Speaker 2: and before bed, asking the Lord to shepherd his flock
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Speaker 2: safely through the long night. As a girl, little was
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Speaker 2: expected of her beyond mastery of housekeeping, childcare, and basic
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Speaker 2: animal husbandry, all of which she could learn from assisting
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Speaker 2: her mother. She therefore received little schooling. Elizabeth probably grew
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Speaker 2: accustomed to the constant rhythm of farm life, the turning
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Speaker 2: of the seasons, the cutting of the fields, the freezing
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Speaker 2: of the earth, the thaw, the sowing of seeds. But
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Speaker 2: just before her seventeenth birthday, everything changed. Elizabeth set out
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Speaker 2: for the city of Gothenburg to seek employment as a
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Speaker 2: servant in Sweden. As in other European countries, it was
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Speaker 2: traditional for young women to gain experience of domestic life
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Speaker 2: beyond the confines of their homes and communities. This was
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Speaker 2: seen as a kind of apprenticeship before they eventually as
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Speaker 2: assumed command of their own households. Elizabeth went to work
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Speaker 2: as a maid for a lower middle class family. Domestic
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Speaker 2: labour at this time was cheap and in plentiful supply,
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Speaker 2: so even families of meager means could afford to hire help.
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Speaker 2: Employers were obliged to house, feed, clothe, and tend to
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Speaker 2: their servants when they were ill. In return, servants offered
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Speaker 2: their complete obedience. Yet choosing and hiring a servant could
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Speaker 2: also be risky. Bringing unknown young women into the home
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Speaker 2: could have unpredictable consequences. There was a preference for the ruddy,
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Speaker 2: cheek daughters of yeomen, who smelled like grass and goats.
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Speaker 2: It was believed that these girls had not yet learned
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Speaker 2: how to deceive or steal. They were innocent and honest.
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Speaker 2: By contrast, urban girls had been exposed to avarice and licentiousness.
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Speaker 2: Although it was a master or mistress's responsibility to keep
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Speaker 2: them safe peril. Nonetheless, lurked at every turn for maids,
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Speaker 2: whether or not she encouraged the advances of the master
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Speaker 2: or his son, his brother, cousin, friend, or father. There
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Speaker 2: were plenty of opportunities for a young servant woman to
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Speaker 2: find herself alone with men, to be coerced, overpowered, or
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Speaker 2: to give in to mutual desire. And so while service
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Speaker 2: was believed to be the making of a young working
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Speaker 2: class woman, becoming entangled with a man could be her undoing.
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Speaker 2: Some women's lovers would promise to look after them, and
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Speaker 2: many made good on these pledges, establishing their mistresses and lodgings.
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Speaker 2: Some men lived alongside their paramours, and they posed as
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Speaker 2: married couples. Others visited only on occasion. Some relationships continued
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Speaker 2: for many years, if not a lifetime, but many more
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Speaker 2: fell apart within weeks. The nineteenth century double standard enabled
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Speaker 2: men to walk away from such attachments. By contrast, it
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Speaker 2: often devastated the lives of the war women, who were
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Speaker 2: left to bear the crying and gurgling consequences of these unions.
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth has taken to the grave the name of the
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Speaker 2: man who altered her life with his lust. It will
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Speaker 2: never be known whether her first encounter with him was
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Speaker 2: consensual or forced where it occurred or under what circumstances.
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Speaker 2: But by March eighteen sixty five she was six months pregnant,
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Speaker 2: and whoever had got her into that position was no
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Speaker 2: longer present to shield her from the consequences. Until the
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Speaker 2: eighteen sixties, in Sweden, extramarital sex and illegitimate pregnancy were illegal,
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Speaker 2: punishable offenses. In fact, across all Europe Bennett's colonies, sexual
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Speaker 2: immorality was a source of anxiety verging on paranoia. In Gothenburg,
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Speaker 2: the prostitution police were charged replacing women on the sex
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Speaker 2: trade Register, colloquially referred to as the Register of Shame.
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Speaker 2: There were two lists, one containing the names of knowledge
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Speaker 2: prostitutes and the other of suspected women, pregnant, single women,
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Speaker 2: women frequently seen alone with men or out at night,
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Speaker 2: and mistresses. The chief concern was the spread of venereal disease,
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Speaker 2: specifically syphilis, and bad women were seen as responsible for
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Speaker 2: its spread. This belief was then used to justify the
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Speaker 2: harsh treatment of women in legislation designed to prevent infection.
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Speaker 2: When her pregnancy began to show, it was surmised that
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Speaker 2: twenty one year old Elizabeth was guilty of lecherous living.
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Speaker 2: She was ordered to appear at the Police Inspection House.
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Speaker 2: On her first visit, she was entered into the official
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Speaker 2: register as public woman number ninety seven. She was then
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Speaker 2: further questioned and her answers included in the ledger.
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Speaker 3: Age twenty one years, appearance, blue eyes, brown hair, straight nose,
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Speaker 3: oval face, five foot two inches, slender build. I surmise
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Speaker 3: that this woman has not been living a life of gluttony.
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Speaker 2: The rules that were to govern Elizabeth's daily life would
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Speaker 2: then have been explained to her a lecture intended to
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Speaker 2: humiliate her.
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Speaker 3: You will attend the inspection house twice a week on
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Speaker 3: Tuesdays and Fridays, or face arrest and a fine, or
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Speaker 3: three nights in prison on rations of bread and water.
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Speaker 3: You will not be permitted outdoors after eleven at night.
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Speaker 3: You must conduct a quiet and a silent life. You
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Speaker 3: must not loiter in the windows or doorway of your home.
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Speaker 3: You must dress in a decent way when appearing in public,
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Speaker 3: and not call attention to yourself.
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Speaker 2: At the Police Inspection House, Elizabeth would have been subjected
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Speaker 2: to regular examinations of her genitalia. This routine was designed
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Speaker 2: as much to chase in the city's public women as
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Speaker 2: to screen them against the dreaded syphilis.
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Speaker 4: Syphilis is transmitted primarily through sexual intercourse, and it has
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Speaker 4: three key stages in its acquired form, primary, secondary, and tertiary.
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Speaker 2: Hanley is a lecturer in the history of science and
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Speaker 2: Medicine at Birkbeck University of London.
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Speaker 4: The primary stage is characterized by the presence of a
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Speaker 4: soft saw or a canker at the side of infection,
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Speaker 4: so in most cases this sort of been on a
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Speaker 4: person's genitals and this saw could appear a couple of
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Speaker 4: weeks to several months after infection and it would last
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Speaker 4: for a short period of time then disappear, and when
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Speaker 4: it disappeared, the patient moved into a period of disease latency.
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Speaker 2: The secondary stage could occur anywhere from several months to
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Speaker 2: several years. Later, patients would experience flu like symptoms, a fever,
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Speaker 2: swollen glands, a sore throat, and then the eruption of
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Speaker 2: a rash, as well as war like growths and lesions
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Speaker 2: on their genitals. Eventually, it would attack the person's central
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Speaker 2: nervous system. Sufferers might experience behavioral changes, including paranoia and
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Speaker 2: mood swings, deterioration of the spinal cord, and seizures. There
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Speaker 2: were other visible symptoms as well.
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Speaker 4: The soft tissue in a person's face begins to break
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Speaker 4: down this type of necrotic deterioration where a person's nose disintegrates,
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Speaker 4: essentially as does their soft palet in parts of their frontal.
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Speaker 2: Though, syphilis affected fertility too, and could be passed on
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Speaker 2: to a fetus before birth, so called congenital syphilis. In
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Speaker 2: the days before antibiotics, this was a terrible disease. So
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Speaker 2: as to avoid giving of fence to Gothenberg's respectable citizens,
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Speaker 2: all suspected and known public women were required to enter
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Speaker 2: the police inspection house through a concealed rear passage. Once inside,
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Speaker 2: they had to strip naked and form a line. Sometimes,
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Speaker 2: if the weight was a long one, they were ordered
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Speaker 2: to stand in the outdoor courtyard, shivering in the cold
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Speaker 2: as the uniformed officers stood over them. For a young
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Speaker 2: woman who had been raised in a religious community, the
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Speaker 2: indignant of the experience would have been shocking. However, as
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth was pregnant with an illegitimate child, she may well,
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Speaker 2: like so many women of her era, have internalized her
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Speaker 2: punishment as a justifiable one. Elizabeth can only have been
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Speaker 2: subjected to this routine a handful of times before it
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Speaker 2: was discovered that she was presenting the symptoms of syphilis.
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Speaker 2: She was immediately admitted to the cahouosit or cure House,
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Speaker 2: the local venereal disease hospital. These treatment centers, also known
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Speaker 2: as Locke hospitals, were designed for poor people. A stay
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Speaker 2: here carried profound stigma, and this.
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Speaker 4: Was in part of de terrent as well. Like the
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Speaker 4: shame and stigma that accompanied entry into a workhouse. A
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Speaker 4: similar stigma existed for the lock hospitals, and these were
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Speaker 4: institutions that were often seriously underfunded, understaffed, and lacked the
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Speaker 4: facilities needed to be able to provide people with effective
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Speaker 4: care even by Victorian standards.
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Speaker 2: Patients at these institutions were effectively imprisoned, hence the name
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Speaker 2: Locke hospital. Some women entered voluntarily, but many were incarcerated
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Speaker 2: against their will. At Gothenburg's cure House, attendants and nurses
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Speaker 2: used force to subdue patients. It was also overcrowded, and
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Speaker 2: when the number of patients exceeded capacity, inmates were made
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Speaker 2: to sleep on the floor. Mercury was the go to
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Speaker 2: treatment for syphilis at this time. The standard forms were
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Speaker 2: an ointment, pill, or tonic, but doctors also experimented with
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Speaker 2: other modes of administration.
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Speaker 4: Fumigation, I think is the best way to describe it.
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Speaker 4: So you'd sit in essentially something that looked a bit
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Speaker 4: like a steam room, and mercury infused vapors would be
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Speaker 4: pumped in and you sit there and you sort of
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Speaker 4: absorb it through your skin.
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Speaker 2: There was no standardized dosage for mercury, doctors saw its
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Speaker 2: administration as an art rather than a science. It was
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Speaker 2: also highly toxic and potentially deadly.
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Speaker 4: Severe Mercury poisoning could result in everything from loosened to
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Speaker 4: lost teeth and bettered breath all the way through to
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Speaker 4: hair loss and changed mental state, very similar symptoms to
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Speaker 4: what you might expect in the later stages of syphilis itself.
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Speaker 2: Pregnant Elizabeth was spared mercury but treated internally with acid
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Speaker 2: while her genital wartz would have been dehydrated or cut off.
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Speaker 2: After receiving this cure for seventeen days, she went into
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Speaker 2: premature labor. Elizabeth gave birth to a stillborn girl at
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Speaker 2: seven months while under lock and key at the cure house,
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Speaker 2: a birth certificate was still required. The space for the
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Speaker 2: father's name was left blank. Methods of treating syphilis varied
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Speaker 2: between countries, but they shared an underlying concept women should
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Speaker 2: shoulder the blame for its transmission. If the state could
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Speaker 2: control the morally corrupt women the disease is spreaders, then
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Speaker 2: the problem would be isolated. Sexually transmitted disease involves two parties,
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Speaker 2: of course, but male carriers were exempt from regulation. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: the idea that women, specifically female sex workers are solely
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Speaker 2: responsible for the spread of disease and should be punished
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Speaker 2: for it is one that we haven't left behind.
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Speaker 5: There's been a long history of sex workers being imprisoned
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Speaker 5: under public health justifications.
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Speaker 2: Grace is a sex worker from the UK who contacted
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Speaker 2: me after reading my work on Elizabeth's life.
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Speaker 5: People fear that we will be seen as vector a's
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Speaker 5: a disease. So unfortunately, these attitudes do still persist and
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Speaker 5: clients let you know about it, leave me. They will
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Speaker 5: say things and you fee, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: In Elizabeth's time, as for Grace today, attitudes and fears
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Speaker 2: around the spread of disease caused women real physical harm too.
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Speaker 2: Syphilis inspections were brutally rapid. Fifty women might be examined
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Speaker 2: using the same medical instrument in less than two hours,
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Speaker 2: says Anne Hanley.
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Speaker 4: And that speculum was then passed to the attending nurse,
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Speaker 4: who sort of cursorily disinfected it for use on the
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Speaker 4: next patient. There's no way that these diagnostic examinations were thorough,
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Speaker 4: and there's no way that they were hygienic. In many cases,
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Speaker 4: women who may not have had a venereal disease were
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Speaker 4: being infected by the very process of examination to determine
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Speaker 4: whether or not they were infected.
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Speaker 2: Even if women seemed to respond to the rudimentary cures
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Speaker 2: on offer and were released from the hospital, their slate
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Speaker 2: wasn't white clean. Criminal convictions followed those who had been
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Speaker 2: inmates at Locke Hospitals, and once a woman appeared on
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Speaker 2: a police register, she would not be able to secure
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Speaker 2: respectable work. One of the only ways that she could
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Speaker 2: actually sustain herself would be to resort to the profession
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Speaker 2: she had been accused of practicing. Constitution. Elizabeth joined the
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Speaker 2: ranks of women who sold themselves on a notorious Gothenburg
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Speaker 2: thoroughfare known mockingly as the street of many nymphs. As
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Speaker 2: open solicitation on the street was forbidden, she would have
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Speaker 2: traded discreetly indoors at a brothel, perhaps, or in a coffeehouse.
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth had been publicly denounced as a whore, had suffered
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Speaker 2: the indignity of police examination, had discovered she carried a
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Speaker 2: potentially deadly and disfiguring disease, and had been incarcerated and
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Speaker 2: subjected to excruciating medical procedures. Estranged from her family and
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Speaker 2: from respectable life. She had then been released onto the street,
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Speaker 2: with no friend to whom she could turn in the city.
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Speaker 2: It was now that the symptoms of syphilis returned and
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Speaker 2: medical incarceration was ordered once more. But just when things
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Speaker 2: looked to be at their bleakest, an opportunity appeared, one
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Speaker 2: that would changed elizabeth life forever.
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