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Beautiful mom Heidi Broussard and 3-week-old baby vanish after school book fair · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A distraught fiance pleading for the return of his two
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Speaker 1: week old baby girl, Margo, and her mother, Heidi Broussard,
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Speaker 1: who seemingly vanishes when she drops her son at Cowen Elementary.
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Speaker 1: No matter how hard we look, seemingly more questions arise
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Speaker 1: than answers. Where is Heidi Broussard? Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace God Shane Carry is pleading for help finding his
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Speaker 1: newborn daughter, Margo and her mother Heidi Broussard. This photo
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Speaker 1: shows Broussard dropping off her son at school at around
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Speaker 1: seven thirty Thursday morning. According to Austin Police, it was
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Speaker 1: the last place she was seen. Wants the word and
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Speaker 1: I talked to her eight o'clock and us last time.
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Speaker 1: What talks to her? Shane says when he got back
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Speaker 1: home from work at two Thursday, she and the baby
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Speaker 1: were nowhere to be found. He tells us. When his
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Speaker 1: son's school called asking for someone to pick up the boy,
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Speaker 1: he knew something wasn't right, and I went and picked
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Speaker 1: up my son and as she wasn't home again, so
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Speaker 1: that's what I just called the police. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Let's kick it off with tipline five one two four
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Speaker 1: seven two tips five one two four seven two eight
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Speaker 1: four seven seven. You were just hearing k E y
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Speaker 1: ECBs Austin reporter Melanie Barton and speaking with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel Bruce Johnson, owner ESP Investigations Master Sergeant,
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Speaker 1: Region one crime Scene Commander, Chicago. Hey, they've got a
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Speaker 1: case load about as heavy as Atlanta, Inner City Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this guy knows his way
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Speaker 1: around a crime scene. Also with me from Columbia University
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Speaker 1: psychologist doctor Debbie joffy Ellis aka Bleeding Heart. Also with
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Speaker 1: me forensics expert founder Bare Bones Consulting. I've worked crime
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Speaker 1: scenes with her before, Karen Smith. But right now to
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter at k E y E CBS Austin, Melanie Barden. Melanie,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Let's just
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Speaker 1: start where every crime investigation should start now, granted, and
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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie is gonna tell me this. I'm sure that Hey,
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Speaker 1: maybe she just got fed up with a whole gig
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Speaker 1: and left interesting. I'm gonna have to question doctor Debbie
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Speaker 1: on this. I guess she was quite the hiker because
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Speaker 1: she left her car behind Melanie, let's just start with
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Speaker 1: the morning. Heide bersargis thirty three years old. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what was I doing when I was thirty three? Ah,
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Speaker 1: I had already been ten years in the Fulton County
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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. Let's see maybe m two years in
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Speaker 1: and then heading for court t V and a program
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Speaker 1: with Johnny Cochrane. This lady, Heidie, absolutely stunning, is missing
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Speaker 1: no clues, Melanie. Let's backtrack to the morning she goes missing.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Melanie bardon k eye. So what we know
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Speaker 1: is that the last time Heidi Brussard and Margot Carey
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Speaker 1: were seen was Thursday morning at around seven thirty. We
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Speaker 1: know that they were seen because Austin Police released a
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Speaker 1: surveillance picture of Heidi at her son's elementary school. She
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Speaker 1: was dropping him off for the day, and then Austin
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Speaker 1: police say they believe she went from the school back
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Speaker 1: to her apartment. It's about a ten minute drive. So
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Speaker 1: that's what we know, and you're right, she seemingly vanished
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Speaker 1: out of thin air. We do know that her daughter,
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Speaker 1: her two week old newborn baby, Margot Carey, was with
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Speaker 1: her when she dropped her son off, and she was
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Speaker 1: with her when she went back to her apartment complex.
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Speaker 1: And that's all we know right now. You know, I
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Speaker 1: want to go to Bruce Johnson, Master Sergeant, Crime Scene Commander,
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Speaker 1: Chicago Metro Area. Bruce, there's one good thing, one good
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Speaker 1: thing about what Melanie Barden just said, and that is
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Speaker 1: that Heidi Brissard was spotted early in the morning the
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Speaker 1: day she seemingly disappears. Because I've had so many investigations
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Speaker 1: where I have the word of one person, Oh, she
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Speaker 1: allowed to go take our son to cow An Elementary,
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Speaker 1: but nobody sees them. So, for all I know, the
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Speaker 1: timeline could have started fourteen hours earlier, the evening before
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Speaker 1: at dinner time, or even beyond that at three o'clock
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Speaker 1: when she picked the little boy up the day before.
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Speaker 1: But we have a shred a sintilla of evidence stating
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Speaker 1: Heidi Brissard is alive that morning at seven o'clock dropping
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Speaker 1: her son off at Cowan Elementary there in Austin, and
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Speaker 1: we can start our timeline from there, Bruce Johnson, Why
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Speaker 1: so important to establish a correct timeline at the get go, Bruce, Well,
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Speaker 1: because the first twenty four hours are crucial in this
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Speaker 1: type of situation, obviously, that's really good news that they
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Speaker 1: have proof of where she's at. Start off your timeline.
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Speaker 1: That's going to help the investigation, you know, Like you said,
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Speaker 1: it narrows it down from what are we looking at
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Speaker 1: two days or a day too. We have an immediate
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Speaker 1: time notification, yes, Bruce Johnson, former commander Chicago Metro. This
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Speaker 1: rules out somebody breaking in the house in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night, someone jumping her when she goes out
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Speaker 1: to her car, maybe in her garage that morning, because
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Speaker 1: that's what happened to Jennifer Dulos. We know she was
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Speaker 1: just getting out of her car and that is the
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Speaker 1: crime scene there in Connecticut because the garage is full
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Speaker 1: of blood and her cell phone was still in her vehicle.
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Speaker 1: So she never made it in much like doctor Teresa
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Speaker 1: Severs who flew home from once Again I think Connecticut
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Speaker 1: the night before for on a Sunday. We know she
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Speaker 1: never made it past the kitchen she lands. She still
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Speaker 1: has all the stiletto hills and the clothes she traveled in.
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Speaker 1: She has her rollerboard and the garage. She walks in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen, somebody lying in wait arranged by her husband
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Speaker 1: at BAM. She's dead, So we know that didn't happen.
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Speaker 1: This gives us a launch pad. So Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: founder Bare Bones Consulting, joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, we've got the video. What does it tell
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Speaker 1: me the video? The video from the school shows that
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Speaker 1: she was wearing a long sleeved purple shirt and it
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Speaker 1: gives an exact timeline. Now what happened to her after that?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. They are scouring for a video from
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Speaker 1: the apartment complex, from stoplight, from other businesses in the area.
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Speaker 1: So all of that has to be shooting. Yes, that's
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Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours. It's gonna take manpower and resources,
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, all of those manpower and resources sucks away
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Speaker 1: from actually trying to find Heidi Brossard. Of course, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: you're right as usual. But doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis psychologist
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Speaker 1: joining us from Columbia University. That ain't shabby, doctor Debbie.
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Speaker 1: It tells me something else. And I'm no shrink, I'm
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Speaker 1: just a JD. I'm just a trial lawyer. But it
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Speaker 1: tells me everything was quasi normal that morning because she
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Speaker 1: had the baby Margo with her in the car I
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Speaker 1: think I know that she got the boy, her son
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Speaker 1: to school on time. I believe the video shows her smiling,
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Speaker 1: her hair is done, she's gone on this purple blouse. See.
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Speaker 1: My point is seemingly, from appearances, which can be deceiving,
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Speaker 1: everything was going on schedule that morning. That tells me
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Speaker 1: something psychologically, Doctor Debbie, Well, I think the important word
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Speaker 1: you mentioned is seemingly, and I think it's important and
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Speaker 1: you don't do this, but in general, for people not
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Speaker 1: to presume to make definite conclusions till they have more evidence.
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Speaker 1: For hypotheses came to my mind. The first one something
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Speaker 1: sinister happen, a kidnapping or some such thing. The second
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Speaker 1: possibility that it was a voluntary plan departure despite the
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Speaker 1: seeming to have a good life in a normal morning.
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Speaker 1: Three that she was unhappy in her life and wanted
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Speaker 1: to escape. And four and you know, hopefully it wasn't
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Speaker 1: this or the first hypothesis that there was some malady there,
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Speaker 1: that she may have been gripped by depression, Doctor Dabby,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debby, Yeah, I'm going to cut through your fantastic
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Speaker 1: psychoanalysm analysm. Have you ever been to a kid's bookfair.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a kid's book fair? I've
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Speaker 1: been to book fair. Okay, So a kid's book fair
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Speaker 1: is at the school. I've been to so many I
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Speaker 1: can't count them, and they're a big event. So I
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Speaker 1: find it very curious. She goes to the book fair
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Speaker 1: and she buys books for her seven year old little boy.
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Speaker 1: Why so she could just leave town and never read them? Right?
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Speaker 1: Their behavioral evidence tells me she did not just disappear
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Speaker 1: on her own for a seemingly better life. Climb Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Shane says nothing in their apartment was
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Speaker 1: out of place, her car, everything's at the house, everything,
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Speaker 1: the baby stuff, everything, and then nothing's gone except her
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Speaker 1: in the baby. CBS Austin reached out to several friends
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Speaker 1: and family members. Friday Brosard's coworkers at Cracker Barrel and
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Speaker 1: Budha say she'd been off work since having her baby.
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Speaker 1: Austin Police are asking anyone with information on the disappearances
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Speaker 1: to call nine one one if you see awesome mom
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Speaker 1: with the baby walking around or in a suspicious van
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Speaker 1: or a car, or anything that looks suspicious, just please
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Speaker 1: get somebody. Call shop. Fiance pleading for the return of
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Speaker 1: his three week old baby girl Margot, and the love
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Speaker 1: of his life, thirty three year old Heidi Brassard. I
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Speaker 1: was in a heated argument with doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis
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Speaker 1: about children's book fairs. They're at Cowen Elementary. To Melanie Barden,
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Speaker 1: reporter k e y E CBS Austin, Melanie, I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what happened in the book fare if
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Speaker 1: we know she bought anything, and I know her vehicle
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Speaker 1: was back home, which tells me she made it home
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Speaker 1: from school as normal, right, and Austen police have said
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Speaker 1: that they believe that she did make it home as
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Speaker 1: far as the book fair. We know from Shane speaking
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Speaker 1: to us that he says she called him at around
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Speaker 1: eight o'clock saying that she had just finished up at
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Speaker 1: the book fair at the school and that she bought
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Speaker 1: a few books for their little boy. And he says
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Speaker 1: that she said she was excited to read to him
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Speaker 1: A Missing Austin Mother and the Kneeborn, the knee born
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Speaker 1: ab girl Margot. You know I want to go to
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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis. Psychologists joining us from Columbia University.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie I was stunned the night that I learned
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Speaker 1: the number one cause of death amongst pregnant women is homicide.
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Speaker 1: I would never have guessed that. I would have guessed
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Speaker 1: heart failure or childbirth, but no, it's homicide. And that's
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Speaker 1: from the New England Journal of Medicine, and I certainly
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Speaker 1: am not credential to argue with them. What is so
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Speaker 1: stressful about a pregnancy or a new birth, doctor, Debbie?
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Speaker 1: Why does it throw the whole relationship off the rails. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's the biological component, Nancy, which is part of the
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Speaker 1: well known postpartum depression that many people go through. And
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Speaker 1: then additionally, there can be stress swords in life that
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Speaker 1: were there before the pregnant but that can feel more extreme,
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Speaker 1: and pressure coupled with any biological tendencies to depression, can
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Speaker 1: contribute to that sort of thing. One of the things, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention in your last segment that my
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Speaker 1: fourth hypothesis hypothesis was the possibility that Haidie might have
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Speaker 1: been gripped by depression that led to her disappearing Again.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that with any strong conviction, but it's
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Speaker 1: a possibility. And even though it appeared she had a
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Speaker 1: very normal mourning. You know, moods can change on a dime.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. Again, this is just a hypothesis, and
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Speaker 1: I hope it's not true. And I'm hoping that investigators
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Speaker 1: would be asking friends were there times she seemed down
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Speaker 1: and depressed, just to rule that out, the possibility of depression,
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Speaker 1: hopefully no suicidal ideation. Well, I hope you're right too.
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Speaker 1: I hope that she is just a way yeah, but
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Speaker 1: I don't feel that in my bones. And according to
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Speaker 1: the fiance, she was happy when she called that morning
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Speaker 1: around eight am. Back to Melanie Barden, reporter k E
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Speaker 1: y E, CBS Austin, Melanie, again, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us at a time when everything's going crazy. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure in the newsroom what we know so far. Austin
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Speaker 1: Police continuing their search for Heidi Broussard in her three
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Speaker 1: week old baby girl, Margot Carrie, last seen seven thirty
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Speaker 1: am dropping Heidie's son off Callen Elementary, South Austin. The
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Speaker 1: Austin p D says Heidi's believed to have driven back
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Speaker 1: to her apartment complex off West William Cannon Drive. Now,
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Speaker 1: CBS spoke with Heidi's fiance Margo's dad, Shane Carrie. He
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Speaker 1: says he spoke with Heidi on the phone eight a m.
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Speaker 1: That morning while he's at work, that she had just
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Speaker 1: dropped off their son and bought books from the school
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Speaker 1: book fair. Now, let me understand something. He gets home
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Speaker 1: from work two pm. I want to know where he works,
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Speaker 1: and he says, Margot wasn't there, and Heidi wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: Her car, everything at the house, baby stuff, everything, nothing's
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Speaker 1: gone except for her and the baby. The school calls
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Speaker 1: asking for somebody to come pick up the boy. Well,
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Speaker 1: he knew something was wrong then, and that's at three ish.
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Speaker 1: I assume. Let me understand something. Was it really seven
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Speaker 1: thirty before he called police? Melanie Barton, Yes, he says
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Speaker 1: that he ended up calling police just after seven, and
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Speaker 1: so he tells us he gets home from work. He says,
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Speaker 1: he works for a moving company, and he gets home
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Speaker 1: at two o'clock to their apartment and just like you
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Speaker 1: said that, the car was there. He says, everything was
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Speaker 1: put like as if they had never even left. The
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Speaker 1: only things missing were Heidie and Margot. And so he
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Speaker 1: says that they have another friend in the apartment complex,
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Speaker 1: and he figures Heidie could have taken the baby and
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Speaker 1: walked over to the friend's apartment, and so until he
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Speaker 1: did get the call from the school, he picked up
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Speaker 1: his son, he says. When he got back and they
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Speaker 1: both still weren't there, he started calling her friends. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he says, he called his dad and then yes, at
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Speaker 1: around seven o'clock, that's what he called police. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Fox seven Shannon Ryan's interview with the fiancee
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Speaker 1: Shane Carrie. Yeah, and uh, ever since then, it's just
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Speaker 1: been trying to reach out, just this help. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: She's a great mom. She needs to be back. So
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Speaker 1: the last time I knew her summer was around eight thirty. Yeah, yeah, eight,
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Speaker 1: But I mean probably before then, like eight fifteen, I
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Speaker 1: would say, and you called the cops round seven, right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: seven Nash, he was like seven fifteen years yeah, some
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Speaker 1: thirty maybe something like that. Yeah, and just tell me
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Speaker 1: a little bit about hiding a Marga. Oh, they're amazing,
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Speaker 1: They're um beautiful, love you. Um knows everybody. She has
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Speaker 1: the best group of friends. Margot is the sweetest usually,
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Speaker 1: so there we sold and man, she's like the qus,
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Speaker 1: a little pucker lips, gorgeous, little baby, and you just
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Speaker 1: played to Bruce Johnson, owner i SP Investigations, Bruce Johnson,
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Speaker 1: why the time lag he gets home at too, doesn't
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Speaker 1: call it place until seven fifteen or seven thirty, right,
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Speaker 1: that's a that's a when he gets home at about
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Speaker 1: two o'clock. Everybody is saying that the doors are open. Now,
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Speaker 1: so this is an apartment complex and the apartment door
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Speaker 1: is standing open. That in and itself is kind of
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Speaker 1: odd and very odd. They're very odd. Indeed, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends Shannon Ryan, car keys apartment Malbux.
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's like a sip the keys. Yeah, weird. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And she never leaves a car door unlocked. I mean
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Speaker 1: she does have a three or cold baby, so I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but she would not leave the cord unlock.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big pusher on that pusher to lock everything.
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Speaker 1: So that is the fiancee to Melanie Barden, joining US
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Speaker 1: reporter k e y E CBS Austin on this case
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Speaker 1: from the beginning, Melanie, what about the car door? Was
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Speaker 1: anything else left? Ajar Right, So he said that the
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Speaker 1: car was unlocked, So it's kind of unclear if he's
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Speaker 1: saying it was open it was left ajar or if
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Speaker 1: it was just unlocked. And as far as the apartment
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Speaker 1: door being unlocked, what he told us when we interviewed
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Speaker 1: him was that nothing was different whatsoever at his apartment complex.
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Speaker 1: And he did say in other interviews that everything was
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Speaker 1: the same except for the cell phone, the car keys
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Speaker 1: in the car door. So he never really made it
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Speaker 1: clear about the front door of the apartment complex. But
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Speaker 1: as far as you know, looking at all of his
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Speaker 1: interviews across all the stations, it looks like what he
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Speaker 1: has said is that the cell phone and the car
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Speaker 1: keys are the only things that are missing. Climb stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I wake up first because I have
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Speaker 1: to go to work first. Um, and then UM, I'll
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Speaker 1: do my morning routine, do everything. They started working around
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Speaker 1: six thirty and so like I started working them up.
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Speaker 1: I give them kisses goodbye. Uh, I forgot day at school,
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Speaker 1: and then she starts waking their sandwiches, and so I
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Speaker 1: went to work. She took Margo with others. She dropped
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Speaker 1: them off at school to the book fair, and after
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Speaker 1: the book first she called me Ryan ate something. On
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Speaker 1: our way home from the book first, she spent twenty
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Speaker 1: five dollars. I was, I guess okay, and I told
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Speaker 1: her have to go because I was on my way
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Speaker 1: out and love you bye. You are hearing Shane Carry
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Speaker 1: speaking to Shannon Ryan and with me right now. Special
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Speaker 1: guest Melanie Barden, Reporter k e Y ECBs, Austin. Melanie,
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Speaker 1: you told me that the cell phone, the car keys,
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Speaker 1: and the car door were things that stand out in
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Speaker 1: your mind red flags. What about the car keys? What
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Speaker 1: about the cell phone? What can you tell me about them? Right? So,
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Speaker 1: Shane Carry has said consistently that when he got back
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Speaker 1: home from work, the apartment was left as it always
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Speaker 1: had been. He said that the baby's car seat was
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Speaker 1: inside the apartment. He said the baby's diaper bag was
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Speaker 1: inside the apartment, and he said there were no signs
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Speaker 1: of any struggle. But he says the only things that
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Speaker 1: were missing or Heidi cell phones and her car keys,
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Speaker 1: and he says that her car door, which again was
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Speaker 1: still at the apartment complex, was open. Okay, you just
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Speaker 1: told me something I didn't, no, Melanie Barden, a reporter
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Speaker 1: k e Ye. I just learned something. Karen Smith, Forensic's
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Speaker 1: expert founder Beer Bones Consulting, The car seat was inside
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Speaker 1: That just told me something that tells me that she
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Speaker 1: was not accosted at the car, and that she was
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Speaker 1: the one that drove that car home because the car
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Speaker 1: seat had been taken out of the car and brought in.
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Speaker 1: In fact, typically they're so cumbersome. I would leave them
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Speaker 1: in the car very often and just take the twins
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Speaker 1: in my two arms and carry them out to the
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Speaker 1: car instead of dragging the car seat in and out.
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Speaker 1: So that's a very cumbersome thing, or at least it
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Speaker 1: was for me. So we know that only a mom
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Speaker 1: would have done that, would have brought the car seat
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Speaker 1: in with the baby. She was with the baby last
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Maybe the dad does it too
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Speaker 1: in that family. My husband did. But what I'm saying
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Speaker 1: is she had the baby in the car and she
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Speaker 1: brings the car seat in. That tells me she made
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Speaker 1: it into the home. She was not attacked in the
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Speaker 1: front yard. Nobody carjacked her, Nobody followed her home and
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Speaker 1: grabbed her when she was getting out of the car.
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Speaker 1: She came in the home. That's a big clue. Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Car seats are cumbersome.
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Speaker 1: I used to have to install them. When I was
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Speaker 1: with the Sheriff's office for people, we would give them
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Speaker 1: away and we would have to install them. They are
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Speaker 1: very difficult to install and uninstalled, and most people do
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Speaker 1: just leave them in the car because of that. You
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Speaker 1: grab the child and you carry them in your arms
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Speaker 1: like you used to. What that really also tells me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to go down this path yet,
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Speaker 1: but if somebody is going to accost a woman a baby,
21:45
Speaker 1: becomes very cumbersome for somebody on the outside to take
21:49
Speaker 1: both of them, to take both of them from the apartment.
21:54
Speaker 1: And I don't want to go down that path yet,
21:56
Speaker 1: but that's something to think about. A two week old
21:59
Speaker 1: baby is a lot of responsibility if you're going to
22:01
Speaker 1: take both of them, you know. Bruce Johnson, owner ESP Investigations,
22:05
Speaker 1: former Master Sergeant in Chicago, Bruce Johnson. That tells me
22:10
Speaker 1: something else. Just talking to Karen Smith, and this is
22:13
Speaker 1: something I used to love to do with my district
22:16
Speaker 1: attorney colleagues and police, taking one piece of evidence and
22:20
Speaker 1: just squeezing it for every bit of evidence I could
22:25
Speaker 1: get out of it, from every bit of indicators about
22:29
Speaker 1: what happened, Think about what Karen Smith just said, Bruce Johnson,
22:34
Speaker 1: who would take Heidi Brussard and baby Margo three weeks old?
22:40
Speaker 1: And this tells me that the mom Heidi Brusard, if
22:44
Speaker 1: she wanted to escape, why would she take the baby?
22:47
Speaker 1: If she's trying to get away from her life, why
22:49
Speaker 1: would she take the baby without the car seat? Bruce Johnson, Well,
22:54
Speaker 1: that's a very good point. I mean, the other thing
22:57
Speaker 1: regarding that issue that you were previously talking about is
23:01
Speaker 1: no signs of a struggle, no yelling, no streaming, doors
23:04
Speaker 1: are left open. There's a long time frame from the
23:07
Speaker 1: time that he gets back to the house somewhere around
23:11
Speaker 1: two o'clock till six o'clock to school calls. So what
23:14
Speaker 1: was he doing in between that time from two to six?
23:17
Speaker 1: He said he went to preschool to pick up his
23:20
Speaker 1: other son. And I don't know, you guys haven't talked
23:21
Speaker 1: about this ship, but you know that he has a son.
23:24
Speaker 1: He has custody of the son from a previous marriage.
23:28
Speaker 1: So that's definitely something that you want to look at
23:30
Speaker 1: and look at that woman's history, her boyfriend's history, all
23:35
Speaker 1: of those things. Maybe, well, what you're talking about the
23:38
Speaker 1: six year old son Silas birth mom. He has two
23:42
Speaker 1: children with Heidi, the infant and the signs a boy,
23:47
Speaker 1: and then he has he has full custody of the
23:51
Speaker 1: boy from a previous marriage. So wait, so there, let
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Speaker 1: me understand this, Melanie Barton, reporter k E y a
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Speaker 1: CBS Austin. How many children are in this family dynamic?
24:00
Speaker 1: We know that there are three kids, and that Heide's
24:02
Speaker 1: children with Shane are as a boy, silas as well
24:07
Speaker 1: as Margot the newborn baby. Shane has said that he
24:12
Speaker 1: does have a daughter from a previous marriage, but he
24:16
Speaker 1: does not in any of his interviews mention her awareabouts
24:20
Speaker 1: during all of them. Well, you're right, Melanie Barnon and
24:23
Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson is right in that when there's another child
24:27
Speaker 1: involved or a family oh gosh, not confusion, but connection
24:33
Speaker 1: or ongoing issue, you have to look at that. He's right.
24:37
Speaker 1: But from what I'm getting from Melanie, it sounds like
24:40
Speaker 1: the third child, who would be older, I guess, is
24:43
Speaker 1: not in this family home. Take a listen to this,
24:47
Speaker 1: and obviously there's a lot of scrutiny on you. I mean,
24:50
Speaker 1: I imagine that's got to be tough. You're going through
24:53
Speaker 1: this absolute nightmare, and then people obviously have to check
24:57
Speaker 1: you off. That's got to be really difficult. Yeah, it's
25:02
Speaker 1: like I don't even like, I just purtten much ignore that.
25:05
Speaker 1: I don't know how to handle it. But like, I
25:07
Speaker 1: know it's a question, but I mean I don't I
25:13
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I don't know how to I dis
25:16
Speaker 1: ignore it because I know it's not true. Yes, negative,
25:19
Speaker 1: So I don't want to. Yeah, we're trying to be
25:22
Speaker 1: positive and find her. That is fiance. Shane carry speaking
25:26
Speaker 1: to reporter Shannon Ryan straight out to Melanie Bardon Kuyu
25:31
Speaker 1: CBS Austin. There's been a lot of scrutiny rained down
25:35
Speaker 1: on the fiance. What are the comments, what are the
25:39
Speaker 1: observations of his statements. Yeah, there's whole Facebook groups and
25:43
Speaker 1: pages of people's uh, you know, different theories about what happened.
25:49
Speaker 1: Of course, a big vocal point is Shane Carey in
25:52
Speaker 1: these interviews he's done, and I think part of that
25:55
Speaker 1: is the fact that he is Heidi's fiance. I think
25:58
Speaker 1: another part of it is because he's really the only
26:01
Speaker 1: other person who has talked to us other than police.
26:04
Speaker 1: He's the only other person that we've heard from that
26:07
Speaker 1: saw her that morning, and so you know, people are
26:11
Speaker 1: really going after what he's saying, are really picking apart,
26:15
Speaker 1: you know, every decision that he made that morning, and
26:19
Speaker 1: they're really coming up with their own series about what
26:22
Speaker 1: all of this means. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I
26:38
Speaker 1: don't know. I like the smallest of the baby's only
26:40
Speaker 1: seven pounds, so tena sonny, lovable baby, keeps a warm
26:46
Speaker 1: a night. Margaret's not your only child party right, No
26:52
Speaker 1: of a six year old would named Silas, which she's amazing.
26:55
Speaker 1: Credit sports, great baseball player. There's Karate, beautiful look kid
27:01
Speaker 1: as well, so fun, very intelligent, loving, just just like
27:07
Speaker 1: his mom. Kidney's his mom. Big guys, Okay, call me crazy,
27:13
Speaker 1: called me a sap, but he sounds sincere to me.
27:16
Speaker 1: He does. He does. I mean, of course, I'm comparing
27:19
Speaker 1: him to the worst of the worst, like Scott Peterson
27:21
Speaker 1: and all the other dads like Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson
27:25
Speaker 1: that give these statements that just ring hollow. This guy's
27:29
Speaker 1: crying talking about Heidi Brissard as beautiful as loving, the
27:34
Speaker 1: mother of his children. This is what we know. She
27:38
Speaker 1: goes missing Heidi Broussard in an early morning tipline five
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Speaker 1: one two four seven two eight four seven seven four
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Speaker 1: seven two tips. This is another fact I'm just learning.
27:48
Speaker 1: According to a friend, Caressa Rochelle Nulty, Heidi went to
27:53
Speaker 1: the book fair that day eight am, and then her
27:58
Speaker 1: fiance tried to call all her at twelve noon and
28:02
Speaker 1: it went to voicemail like it was dead, like it
28:06
Speaker 1: was dead. Now we're learning through Caissa Rochelle Knowe that
28:12
Speaker 1: it was six o'clock the school called and that Heidi
28:15
Speaker 1: had not shown up. It was significant to me, right
28:17
Speaker 1: there is that he says he the fiance called her
28:23
Speaker 1: at twelve noon and the call was already going to voicemail,
28:29
Speaker 1: as if the phone was dead. To Bruce Johnson, ESP Investigations,
28:34
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? Well, the phone was
28:35
Speaker 1: already dead, and that he got home at two o'clock,
28:40
Speaker 1: So he's calling at twelve. He gets home at two.
28:42
Speaker 1: If you get home at two o'clock, doors that are open,
28:44
Speaker 1: all of her belongings are there. He waited to call,
28:49
Speaker 1: you know, the police told seven thirty. He said that
28:51
Speaker 1: he went running around. He went to the daycare to
28:53
Speaker 1: pick up one of his other children. That was around
28:57
Speaker 1: six o'clock DM. But there's four hours from two to six,
29:03
Speaker 1: and there's six hours from twelve to six. You know,
29:07
Speaker 1: those are large gaps that you would be panicking, you know,
29:11
Speaker 1: calling the police sooner than what he did at thirty. Yeah. Yeah,
29:15
Speaker 1: let's shore up that timeline. Melanie bardon kye number one
29:21
Speaker 1: relevant information fiance says he called her twelve noon. It
29:24
Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail, like it's dead and you can
29:26
Speaker 1: tell you barely ring and then it goes straight to voicemail.
29:31
Speaker 1: So Melanie, did the school call around six pm? Because
29:34
Speaker 1: what this is telling me? Because we've got a tighter
29:36
Speaker 1: timeline and this is important. So she goes missing. Now
29:40
Speaker 1: we've got it down to four hours between eight and
29:43
Speaker 1: twelve if we can count on that phone going to
29:46
Speaker 1: voicemail timeline. What about it, Melanie, what time did the
29:49
Speaker 1: school call? Well, I understand that he has said that
29:52
Speaker 1: the school called that around six o'clock saying that he
29:56
Speaker 1: needed to come pick up the boy, and it's when
29:59
Speaker 1: he to go pick up his son and came back. Now,
30:02
Speaker 1: keep in mind, the apartment complex is only about ten
30:05
Speaker 1: minutes from the school, so it's not going to take
30:07
Speaker 1: him very long to go pick up his son and
30:09
Speaker 1: come back and it's when he came back that he
30:13
Speaker 1: called police, which was around seven thirty. That is making
30:16
Speaker 1: a little more sense to me. I'm also learning that
30:20
Speaker 1: he thought she may be visiting somebody within the apartment
30:23
Speaker 1: complex because her car was there, everything was there, and
30:28
Speaker 1: so she would have to be on foot. We also
30:31
Speaker 1: know that he Shane proposed to her in November, and
30:37
Speaker 1: that's according to what Broussard herself posted on Facebook. What
30:42
Speaker 1: else do we know? We know that Rossard's family has
30:45
Speaker 1: come all the way from Louisiana to help search for her.
30:48
Speaker 1: Timm and Brossard called in to k x A n
30:52
Speaker 1: instead she was en route from Louisiana to Texas to
30:55
Speaker 1: help with the search. She's originally from Late Charles, Louisiana,
30:58
Speaker 1: That's what we've learned. She and Kerry have also lived
31:01
Speaker 1: in Kyle, Texas. She had a steady job going. She's
31:04
Speaker 1: been working at the same cracker barrel since twenty fifteen
31:08
Speaker 1: and the family. Brassard's family is begging for prayers and
31:13
Speaker 1: help finding Heidi. It's very clear that the fiance says
31:18
Speaker 1: she would never have left Silas alone. She would never
31:23
Speaker 1: have just left him at school, and that's where something
31:27
Speaker 1: called routine evidence comes in to doctor Debbi Joffe Ellis
31:31
Speaker 1: joining us psychologist. She never missed picking up her children.
31:36
Speaker 1: I think that's very important, a very key factor here,
31:38
Speaker 1: doctor Debbie. It certainly is. And again it either comes
31:44
Speaker 1: down to something sinister, a choice she's made, or that
31:50
Speaker 1: she was scripped with depression and was suffering some emotional
31:54
Speaker 1: state that most people around her didn't realize. And that's
31:58
Speaker 1: not uncommon. You know, you're back on the postpartum depression thing,
32:03
Speaker 1: and doctor Dabby how I appreciate you, but it's not
32:05
Speaker 1: factoring in with the evidence as far as I am concerned.
32:08
Speaker 1: Karen Smith, You're right. Listen, investigations follow the evidence to
32:13
Speaker 1: the suspect in most cases, but in cases like this,
32:17
Speaker 1: you have to start with those closest to the people
32:20
Speaker 1: that are missing. So if Shane's alibi and his whereabouts
32:24
Speaker 1: can hold up to some very intense scrutiny, there are
32:26
Speaker 1: other avenues to go down. Take a listen to the
32:28
Speaker 1: latest from the fiance Shane Carrie, and I know the
32:31
Speaker 1: cops and investagers doing their job and doing a great job.
32:34
Speaker 1: I just want to do more. It feels like we
32:37
Speaker 1: could do more and that's where everyone comes in. This
32:42
Speaker 1: is a group, so I'll do it together. And just
32:46
Speaker 1: I mean, so talk about you know, the way that
32:48
Speaker 1: the car was left, the way that the home was left.
32:51
Speaker 1: Everything was like she was home. I mean that's what
32:55
Speaker 1: I thought. She was at her friend's house, like she
32:56
Speaker 1: walked to the apartment complex. The car seats upstairs, her
33:00
Speaker 1: is upstairs, her ide wallet, there's no signs of her
33:04
Speaker 1: taking the baby. She would never leave her card to
33:07
Speaker 1: wear unlocked. Her card door is unlocked, so that's that's
33:09
Speaker 1: a weird sign. So I don't know anything about that.
33:15
Speaker 1: And her purses inside her car with all the money
33:17
Speaker 1: still inside of it, her idea, her cards, her full purse.
33:21
Speaker 1: It's just the only thing gone is her, the baby,
33:25
Speaker 1: her keys, and her cell phone which been off since
33:27
Speaker 1: I tried to call her at one forty now from
33:30
Speaker 1: flock seven. But we also know that the three books
33:33
Speaker 1: bought at the book fair were in the apartment. When
33:37
Speaker 1: the fiance gets home, own's cell phone missing and it's
33:42
Speaker 1: been turned off. Carcy also inside the apartment. Now back
33:46
Speaker 1: to you, Karen Smith, forensics expert Beerbos consulting. What were
33:49
Speaker 1: you saying, I have a little laundry, list of things
33:51
Speaker 1: that were bothering me as an investigator. One of the
33:55
Speaker 1: things is did how do you leave a note that
33:57
Speaker 1: she was going to be gone at this friends house
33:59
Speaker 1: so that people didn't about Okay? Answer answer no, next right,
34:03
Speaker 1: So okay, So if he thinks that she went walked
34:06
Speaker 1: over to a friend house, why not traps on over
34:08
Speaker 1: there to see if she's there. That's a question that
34:11
Speaker 1: I had he did. Second answer he did. Next, Third question,
34:15
Speaker 1: who saw that works? Were there any witnesses that saw
34:18
Speaker 1: him at work and can place him at work for
34:20
Speaker 1: that time period? He works for a moving company. Hold on,
34:23
Speaker 1: let's throw that to Melanie bardon Kuye. He works at
34:26
Speaker 1: Unicorn Moving. If nobody can place him there, he can
34:29
Speaker 1: certainly have his phone triangulated. What do we know Melanie, Yeah,
34:31
Speaker 1: as far as you know confirming where he was that morning,
34:37
Speaker 1: police have not talked about it whatsoever. Police have given
34:40
Speaker 1: us very limited information and they have not even touched
34:44
Speaker 1: the subject of where Shane Carey was that day anything else.
34:49
Speaker 1: Karen Smith. Yeah, if he works for a moving company,
34:51
Speaker 1: I would put money on the fact that those moving
34:53
Speaker 1: vands have tracking devices on him so they can track
34:55
Speaker 1: his movements throughout the day, did he go back to
34:57
Speaker 1: the apartment complex and the moving vand as he worked
35:00
Speaker 1: with another partner at that point. All of these questions.
35:03
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hamstring anyone, but these are questions
35:05
Speaker 1: that investigators have to ask, as difficult as they are.
35:07
Speaker 1: We are waiting as justice unfolds. Tipline five one two
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Speaker 1: four seven two tips five one two four seven two
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Speaker 1: eight four seven to seven. Let's pray for a Christmas miracle.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,