Latest / Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast / The 'Legal' Life Hack Everyone's Talking About | Dr Joy Kong

Transcript

The 'Legal' Life Hack Everyone's Talking About | Dr Joy Kong · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

0:01
Speaker 1: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throw.
0:04
Speaker 2: I'm a former Rawmeries commando.
0:06
Speaker 1: I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across eighty countries
0:12
Speaker 1: on all seven confidents.
0:14
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Port the t Shirt Podcast. Dr Kong.
0:26
Speaker 2: How are you.
0:27
Speaker 3: I'm doing great? Thank you so much, Chris. Great to
0:29
Speaker 3: see you.
0:30
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. What time is it are you in La?
0:32
Speaker 3: Yes? Is seven fifty five am.
0:35
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yes, thank you for joining us. Wow.
0:42
Speaker 1: What a fascinating history. So, Joey, have you read Wild
0:48
Speaker 1: Swans I ju Jun Chang I believe wrote it.
0:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, I think I did.
0:58
Speaker 3: That was a long time ago. Yeah, I did.
1:01
Speaker 1: It was the same for me, but it had quite
1:03
Speaker 1: a profound effect on me years ago.
1:06
Speaker 2: It was friends at home.
1:07
Speaker 1: It's three generations of women under chairman now, and you know,
1:13
Speaker 1: it was that cultural revolution. It's quite an eye opener.
1:19
Speaker 3: Well I called the tail end of it. I you know,
1:22
Speaker 3: I'm sure I impacted my life, but I was born
1:27
Speaker 3: in the middle of that country revolution, so my first
1:31
Speaker 3: five years that's when that was going on. So I
1:35
Speaker 3: wouldn't say, you know, I experienced it as someone that's
1:38
Speaker 3: more cautious about the social environment. But yeah, China has
1:43
Speaker 3: gone through a you know, seismic change since then, for sure.
1:48
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
1:49
Speaker 1: Well, they always said let sleep in China live for
1:52
Speaker 1: when she awakes, the whole world will know. Yes, So,
1:57
Speaker 1: friends at home, I'm just going to read off my
2:00
Speaker 1: screen here because I want to get this right.
2:02
Speaker 2: DOTR.
2:02
Speaker 1: Kong is a UCLA trained Triple Board certified physician specializing
2:08
Speaker 1: in stem cell therapy, peptide therapy, and integrative medicine. A
2:16
Speaker 1: published researcher, and a podcast host, and has been recognized
2:21
Speaker 1: as top Doctor of the Year in stem cell Therapy,
2:25
Speaker 1: stem Cell Doctor of the Decade, and her podcast won
2:29
Speaker 1: Best Physician Public Education Podcast.
2:32
Speaker 2: This year.
2:34
Speaker 1: A memoir, Tiger of Beijing, was named twenty twenty Book
2:38
Speaker 1: of the Year. Congratulations, Dr Kong and quite a journey.
2:43
Speaker 3: Thank you, Chris. Yeah, it certainly has been.
2:47
Speaker 1: So how did you come to be in China and
2:51
Speaker 1: now you're in La, Well.
2:53
Speaker 3: Part of that journey was documented in this memoir because
2:57
Speaker 3: that was quite a dramatic beginning because in my book
3:01
Speaker 3: it started with my visa rejection. So there's a whole
3:04
Speaker 3: lot of story before the visa, but the book started
3:08
Speaker 3: with the rejection. So it took well, it took me
3:14
Speaker 3: eight months after the rejection to actually land in San Francisco.
3:18
Speaker 3: And that's a really really interesting story. But once in
3:25
Speaker 3: San Francisco, I encountered another obstacle in life and having
3:32
Speaker 3: to overcome that and be free as a person. That
3:38
Speaker 3: that was the second part of the book. And then
3:41
Speaker 3: from there I decided to study biology because I was
3:46
Speaker 3: fascinated with the human life or life is self, the
3:51
Speaker 3: mystery and how everything works. And then from there I
3:55
Speaker 3: decided to become a doctor. At first, I thought I
3:59
Speaker 3: wanted to be a professor. My parents are teachers and
4:02
Speaker 3: my dad's professor. I grew up on the university campus,
4:06
Speaker 3: and that's really what what I wanted to do, just
4:09
Speaker 3: to be in the learning environment and uh uh, to
4:13
Speaker 3: be teaching and learning. But what I realized was that
4:17
Speaker 3: medicine engages so many parts of my brain that creates
4:22
Speaker 3: this incredible satisfaction where I connect with humans and I
4:28
Speaker 3: use science and I use technology, you know, the different
4:33
Speaker 3: devices and tools which can either detect condition problems or
4:40
Speaker 3: treat certain conditions. And then and then I have to
4:44
Speaker 3: understand right, the human psychology, the sociology. It really brings
4:50
Speaker 3: together different parts of our world. So to me, that
4:56
Speaker 3: was the ultimate you know, alchemy, where I can bring
5:00
Speaker 3: everything together. So I actually loved the brain, which was
5:07
Speaker 3: why initially I went into psychiatry because I wanted to
5:13
Speaker 3: kind of crack the last frontier of medicine. I was
5:19
Speaker 3: having a good time because I loved mental health and
5:23
Speaker 3: even operations in mental health. That was fascinating. But what
5:28
Speaker 3: I saw was a lack of kind of a more
5:35
Speaker 3: wiser or a more mature way of looking at the
5:39
Speaker 3: body because people are going in way too granular. All
5:44
Speaker 3: of a sudden, all of we can think about as
5:46
Speaker 3: receptors and you know, different molecules interacting with each other
5:53
Speaker 3: on an very granular level, forgetting that entire body is
5:58
Speaker 3: interacting with each other. Higher system are cross talking. But
6:04
Speaker 3: modern medicine is not quite taking into that into account.
6:08
Speaker 3: It got so down to the basics that it lost
6:13
Speaker 3: a forest, and to me that was a form of
6:21
Speaker 3: immaturity when you have lost a big picture. Coming from China,
6:27
Speaker 3: we didn't have the language for the granular stuff because
6:30
Speaker 3: we didn't have the instrument, and we just you know,
6:33
Speaker 3: throughout history we didn't get to that point. But modern
6:37
Speaker 3: medicine is giving you language for such intricate details, which
6:42
Speaker 3: can be very powerful, but then it doesn't utilize the
6:47
Speaker 3: system approach and traditional forms of medicine. That's all they do.
6:52
Speaker 3: Chinese medicine, the Indian you know, Aya, Vida, et cetera,
6:57
Speaker 3: are focusing on the bigger picture and how different organs
7:01
Speaker 3: may be interacting with each other, how different herbs are
7:04
Speaker 3: interacting with a body. So and each herb can have
7:08
Speaker 3: thousands of compounds, So how is that creating an effect
7:12
Speaker 3: when you have all these organs and thousands of compounds
7:15
Speaker 3: are trying to talk to each other. So it became
7:19
Speaker 3: becomes very complex, and that is overwhelming for modern medicine
7:25
Speaker 3: because how do you deal with this complexity? So it
7:28
Speaker 3: would rather just ignore the complexity and go straight into
7:34
Speaker 3: the very basic details. And so my intuition is always
7:42
Speaker 3: to combine the two. I mean not just me. You know,
7:45
Speaker 3: there are a lot of people that have been talking
7:46
Speaker 3: about East West integration for a long time. But I
7:50
Speaker 3: saw the need and I know how well Chinese medicine work.
7:54
Speaker 3: You know, I spent my first twenty years in China.
7:56
Speaker 3: My mom's life was saved by Chinese medicine when she
7:59
Speaker 3: was about to die, which was really dying from multiple myeloma,
8:04
Speaker 3: you know, form of very severe blood disorder and a
8:08
Speaker 3: form of cancer. So that philosophy of wanting to bring
8:16
Speaker 3: different things together so we can take care of the
8:19
Speaker 3: trees but also understand the forest was what drove me
8:24
Speaker 3: to this new branch of medicine called functional medicine or
8:29
Speaker 3: integrated medicine, holistic medicine, unti aging medicine, they're all talking
8:32
Speaker 3: about the same thing. Alternative medicine. It's all about looking
8:36
Speaker 3: at the intricacy of the human body and not forgetting
8:41
Speaker 3: different relationships. Some relationships are as simple as different vitamins.
8:46
Speaker 3: We have numerous vitamins in our body, and how are
8:50
Speaker 3: they interacting with different organs, sometimes at the same time,
8:56
Speaker 3: and so if you don't have one, all these different
9:01
Speaker 3: symptoms are affected. So that's like a basic example of
9:05
Speaker 3: how one thing can tie different systems together, and unfortunately
9:10
Speaker 3: the conventional form of medicine is not looking at that.
9:13
Speaker 3: So to me, intellectually, we need to practice this new
9:17
Speaker 3: form of medicine. And once I got into that holistic realm,
9:24
Speaker 3: that's when I encountered stem cell therapy, and to me,
9:28
Speaker 3: that was a huge aha. Moment that I would never,
9:33
Speaker 3: never veer away from because what I saw was the
9:36
Speaker 3: most holistic approach you can imagine. It's using the intelligence
9:41
Speaker 3: that made us and allowed that to talk to your
9:45
Speaker 3: entire body, to all your organs, and to promote repair,
9:51
Speaker 3: because what can make you can make you new again.
9:55
Speaker 3: So that's kind of my journey into stem cells. That's
9:58
Speaker 3: why now I'm focusing so much on stem cells. Of course,
10:02
Speaker 3: exosomes and offshoot of stem cell therapy, and then peptides
10:08
Speaker 3: we can target different organs. That's kind of a different branch,
10:11
Speaker 3: but this is all tapping into the secrets, the codes
10:16
Speaker 3: then nature has.
10:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yes, we're really behind here in the West
10:22
Speaker 1: with medicine. I studied psychology, sociology, biology, then youth work
10:29
Speaker 1: and then social work and the whole kind of emphasis
10:34
Speaker 1: there is on holistic practice, you know, factoring everyone's social circumstance,
10:39
Speaker 1: their psychology, their physical.
10:42
Speaker 2: Health, diet, all this kind of stuff.
10:45
Speaker 1: And yet if you go to an English doctor, all
10:47
Speaker 1: they're really trained to do is just prescribe you a pill,
10:50
Speaker 1: just like immediately, or if it's worse, they send you
10:54
Speaker 1: a surgeon. That's just like, yeah, I'll operate well.
10:58
Speaker 2: When do you want it to? There's no kind of
11:00
Speaker 2: you know, how are you living your life decision?
11:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm guessing it's probably a bit the same in
11:06
Speaker 1: the States in the mainstream, is it.
11:08
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you are going to your doctor, that's
11:11
Speaker 3: all based on insurance coverage. I'm afraid that's what you're
11:14
Speaker 3: going to get.
11:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm fascinated. I played a little clip from
11:20
Speaker 1: your YouTube at the beginning there. Do I understand that
11:23
Speaker 1: the stem cells come from the placenter when a baby's born.
11:29
Speaker 3: Well, we actually have stem cells throughout our body right
11:33
Speaker 3: now as we speak. So initially, of course, it came
11:36
Speaker 3: from the sort of I mean, the fertilized egg. And
11:40
Speaker 3: from that egg there's all this cell differentiation, which means
11:46
Speaker 3: gaining function. While you gain function, you lose potentials. So
11:50
Speaker 3: the cells are evolving to form eventually form organs, right,
11:55
Speaker 3: forming structures. So in your organ let's say you're liver,
12:00
Speaker 3: there is the liver working cell, but there's also the
12:04
Speaker 3: liver stem cell, and that stem cell has lost so
12:08
Speaker 3: much potential, has gained so much specialization that all it
12:12
Speaker 3: can differentiate into is a liver cell. But the rest
12:15
Speaker 3: of But if you go upstream, there could be other
12:20
Speaker 3: cell types. So there're a lot they're probably you know,
12:24
Speaker 3: a thousand differentiations or a thousand variations of stem cells
12:29
Speaker 3: within the human body, all the way down to plural
12:34
Speaker 3: potent stem cells. So these are cells that can become
12:36
Speaker 3: anything in the body. So all these are coexisting in
12:39
Speaker 3: the body. So what do you want to tap into
12:42
Speaker 3: when you are going more upstream? When the cells were
12:46
Speaker 3: still younger in its kind of evolutionary age, that means
12:51
Speaker 3: it has more potential, it can become more things. Then
12:55
Speaker 3: the signals they sent will have certain ramifications. There's more
12:58
Speaker 3: upstream where do we intercept. That's the art of stem
13:03
Speaker 3: cell therapy. So we can use early birth tissue as
13:09
Speaker 3: a source for stem cells, and these are more upstream,
13:12
Speaker 3: so from the local cord or placenta. A lot of
13:16
Speaker 3: these cells were trapped in the early embryo and fetus development,
13:21
Speaker 3: so they have retained a lot of the characteristics of
13:25
Speaker 3: the embryonic stem cells of the early much earlier generations,
13:30
Speaker 3: and you can use those and that will give you
13:34
Speaker 3: greater variety of signals to trigger more upstream regeneration.
13:39
Speaker 1: Wow, So a question Joy has do you think that
13:44
Speaker 1: stem cell.
13:47
Speaker 2: What's the words for it?
13:48
Speaker 1: When you have the stem cell therapy? H do you
13:52
Speaker 1: think it's become more popular because of Joe Rogan.
13:57
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan helped, Tony Robbins helped. These two are really
14:02
Speaker 3: are upfronts of this ten cell of medicine because they
14:08
Speaker 3: have such huge influence and they have personally received benefits.
14:12
Speaker 3: I mean, these are people who have access to everything, right,
14:15
Speaker 3: anything that's available, and when they've tried everything and nothing
14:20
Speaker 3: had quite got them to where they want to be,
14:22
Speaker 3: and then stem cells created such fast and drastic improvement. Yeah,
14:27
Speaker 3: of course they're excited. They want to spread the word,
14:30
Speaker 3: so absolutely. Tony Robbins wrote the book Life Force, and
14:35
Speaker 3: I actually critiqued it on YouTube. I had a few
14:38
Speaker 3: videos I critique the the chapters on stem cell therapy.
14:43
Speaker 3: So there were there were some mistakes in the in
14:47
Speaker 3: the chapters written by you know doctor that Tony Robbins invited.
14:52
Speaker 3: So my problem with the field is that there's a
14:56
Speaker 3: lot of misinformation, partially from doctors, to going ahead and
15:01
Speaker 3: doing stem cell therapy without a good foundation of the
15:06
Speaker 3: knowledge of what kind of cells they are, how they function.
15:09
Speaker 3: So if you don't have the fundamental knowledge you know,
15:13
Speaker 3: in a solid place, then you will say things that
15:17
Speaker 3: are not based on really on scientific foundation. So that's
15:24
Speaker 3: my problem with it, which is why I founded an academy,
15:28
Speaker 3: American Academy of Integrated Cell Therapy. We've been providing training
15:32
Speaker 3: since twenty eighteen, and we have started doing certification trainings
15:40
Speaker 3: specifically really to get doctors to be fully proficient and
15:46
Speaker 3: not just getting bits and pieces from here and there
15:50
Speaker 3: from reps of stem cell companies. Maybe they read an
15:54
Speaker 3: article or two, but no, you know, be a lot
15:57
Speaker 3: more of a true physician, right too, pioneer, So you
16:03
Speaker 3: want to understand a much greater variety of research results
16:11
Speaker 3: so that you can speak intelligently. Yeah. So so that's
16:13
Speaker 3: kind of one of my missions, which is education. So
16:16
Speaker 3: going back to wanting to be a professor. So I'm
16:20
Speaker 3: in a sense, you know, fulfill that anyhow, I'm actually
16:23
Speaker 3: Confucius descendant, you know, seventy third generations, so wanting to teach,
16:28
Speaker 3: wanting to you know, kind of pass down the knowledge
16:32
Speaker 3: has I guess it's in my bones.
16:35
Speaker 1: You're actually a descendant of Confucius.
16:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, seventy third generation. Yes, in a long time, twenty
16:43
Speaker 3: five hundred years.
16:44
Speaker 1: Ago, that's fascinating. Yes, yeah, I used to live in
16:48
Speaker 1: Hong Kong and China. Oh, and I loved the Confucius stuff.
16:53
Speaker 1: I worked in a nightclub in Hong Kong and it
16:57
Speaker 1: was all run by the local triads, but they had
17:01
Speaker 1: this real sense of like they would do things in
17:05
Speaker 1: a real certain way. So on the very first day there,
17:08
Speaker 1: when the boss found out that I just moved into
17:10
Speaker 1: an apartment and there was nothing in it, he just
17:13
Speaker 1: went up to the till in the club took out
17:16
Speaker 1: I don't know, five thousand Hong Kong dollars and he
17:21
Speaker 1: just gave it to me.
17:21
Speaker 2: And then I I'm.
17:23
Speaker 1: Doing the research and it says Confucius says boss must
17:29
Speaker 1: look after employer. In return, employer looks after the boss.
17:33
Speaker 3: So yeah, employee, yeah, sorry, yes, wow, Confucius said that.
17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a sort of you know, unwritten law.
17:47
Speaker 2: I suppose it's wonderful.
17:50
Speaker 3: That's wonderful, because the worst is I was a lot
17:53
Speaker 3: of time questioning, all right, if you don't know God,
17:56
Speaker 3: you know, how can you behave well, how can you
18:00
Speaker 3: know the rules of it have been a decent human.
18:05
Speaker 3: China has a different system, and it's a lot is
18:08
Speaker 3: about human decency, about doing the right thing. So so
18:12
Speaker 3: even without this particular entity of an all knowing God,
18:17
Speaker 3: you understand that there's a nature of human existence. There's
18:24
Speaker 3: a natural way, so like Daoism the way, and and
18:27
Speaker 3: that's the rule of how a human should interact with
18:32
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's peers, and how it should yeah,
18:36
Speaker 3: function as a just decent human being. So, yes, they
18:41
Speaker 3: have you know, various various uh you know sayings and
18:46
Speaker 3: and uh and and these kind of standards that we
18:50
Speaker 3: try to live by.
18:51
Speaker 1: Yes, we talk about this a lot on this show.
18:53
Speaker 1: I think my my friends out there were kind of
18:56
Speaker 1: of the opinion that religion isn't really like knowing God.
19:02
Speaker 1: That really God is nosis and knowing, knowing right from wrong,
19:07
Speaker 1: and we call it in ancient England we called it
19:12
Speaker 1: natural law. We actually have a sort of constitution in England,
19:18
Speaker 1: even though it's been sort of walked over in recent times,
19:22
Speaker 1: but constitution essentially is just do the right thing, you know,
19:28
Speaker 1: don't don't harm other people unless they're going to commit
19:32
Speaker 1: you harm, and all this kind of stuff. So, yes, fascinating.
19:37
Speaker 1: I met Tony Robbins.
19:40
Speaker 2: Have you met him?
19:41
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, I actually just came back from Fiji to
19:45
Speaker 3: his Life and Wealth Mastery. But he wasn't there, but
19:47
Speaker 3: I was in other events where he was there. We spoke.
19:51
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he's quite quite a character. Hey, yeah, I went.
19:57
Speaker 1: I went to his Awaken the jibt Within seminar about.
20:02
Speaker 3: Oh unleash the power within.
20:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one.
20:05
Speaker 3: It was humongous event, sixteen twenty thousand people. Yeah.
20:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one I went is probably a bit smaller
20:12
Speaker 1: than that. But he taught us the firewalk, which was just.
20:16
Speaker 3: Oh you did that?
20:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it, and then I used to do
20:21
Speaker 1: it quite a lot. I used to teach people how
20:24
Speaker 1: to do it. But I still kind of use that
20:26
Speaker 1: psychology if I'm ever in a challenging situation, I'm just
20:31
Speaker 1: poor and change your mindset do it?
20:35
Speaker 3: Wow? Nice? Nice?
20:37
Speaker 2: Yeah?
20:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Joe Rogan, he's kind of like the man,
20:42
Speaker 1: isn't he with that that kind of stuff. He takes
20:44
Speaker 1: his health and fitness seriously.
20:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think, you know, and I wish all
20:51
Speaker 3: the doctors do that, right. So I myself, I practice
20:54
Speaker 3: what I preach and it's very important. So I don't
20:57
Speaker 3: put junk in my body and I exercise the only
21:02
Speaker 3: thing I'm not doing very well on is sleep. But
21:05
Speaker 3: there are some basic tenets of what you can do
21:08
Speaker 3: to enhance your health. So the foundation has to be
21:13
Speaker 3: to be respected. That will be nutrition, movement, sleep, and
21:20
Speaker 3: then mindset how you can modulate your interaction with the
21:26
Speaker 3: world and not be taken down in a sense by
21:31
Speaker 3: things that may not be happening your way. And that's
21:35
Speaker 3: a constant, constant battle. So and for people who have
21:41
Speaker 3: gone through difficulties like I have. I mean it's not
21:44
Speaker 3: like I had a traumatic childhood. Yes, where there are trauma, yes,
21:48
Speaker 3: But I'm very much about agency, about taking responsibilities and
21:53
Speaker 3: not wallowing in our sufferings. I am very much about
21:58
Speaker 3: looking forward, and you know, I kind of dust off.
22:01
Speaker 3: It gets a little bit of a warrior mindset, and
22:04
Speaker 3: that's why the tiger. The tiger is not going to
22:07
Speaker 3: be pouting and you know, be always moping. Tigers strategizing
22:14
Speaker 3: and thinking ahead. And so that's the spirit that I
22:17
Speaker 3: want to share and maybe awaken in other people. And
22:21
Speaker 3: that's one reason I wrote my book. And I think
22:25
Speaker 3: the fact that I wrote it as a memoir made
22:28
Speaker 3: it just a little bit more potent for people, because
22:32
Speaker 3: if I had written it as a novel, like I
22:35
Speaker 3: first was what's going to do? It would have diluted
22:40
Speaker 3: the power in it because it would be a fiction.
22:44
Speaker 3: This one, I'm exposing myself more, which doesn't really matter
22:48
Speaker 3: to me. You know, this is not about me. This
22:52
Speaker 3: is about human resilience and what people can can't really gather.
22:56
Speaker 3: So by showing the world this actually has, this is real,
23:01
Speaker 3: and this is how I overcame it despite being sometimes
23:07
Speaker 3: felt like I was being crushed, but coming out a winner.
23:11
Speaker 3: And from that, I think I can inspire people, which
23:16
Speaker 3: I have. I've met so many people who came to me, men, women,
23:20
Speaker 3: different backgrounds, been inspired by the story and it really resonated,
23:25
Speaker 3: which is just incredible. Yeah, and it's with the same
23:29
Speaker 3: spirit that I'm bringing to my work, like my work
23:35
Speaker 3: in a not very friendly environment when it comes to
23:37
Speaker 3: regenerative medicine, because we are breaking tradition, we are moving
23:42
Speaker 3: ahead in a way that is not embraced and welcome
23:48
Speaker 3: by the status quo. So there's a lot of suppression
23:55
Speaker 3: either outward or a more subtle level of suppression on
24:01
Speaker 3: the surface. Maybe the governing body says, oh, no, we
24:05
Speaker 3: support it, we want this to you know, to be
24:09
Speaker 3: to thrive this new branch in medicine. We just wanted
24:12
Speaker 3: to be more responsible and more monitored. But in actuality,
24:20
Speaker 3: a lot of times that has killed innovation and it
24:23
Speaker 3: has killed companies, so and then it has effectively stopped
24:29
Speaker 3: a lot of doctors from getting the word out. Even
24:31
Speaker 3: to this point, people still think that stem cell therapy
24:34
Speaker 3: is illegal in the US. I mean, where did that
24:37
Speaker 3: rhetoric come from? How did that even become a thing
24:40
Speaker 3: that ten years later, I've been doing this for ten years,
24:43
Speaker 3: that's still a prevalent notion that somehow you can only
24:47
Speaker 3: go overseas to get treatment. So what's the result. A
24:50
Speaker 3: lot of people don't have the resources to go overseas
24:54
Speaker 3: or they don't have the impetus that you know, it's
24:56
Speaker 3: a huge thing. They have to make the arrangement to
25:00
Speaker 3: do it. A lot of them do, but they're missing
25:02
Speaker 3: the opportunity that it could be in their city next
25:06
Speaker 3: door a doctor is actually providing the treatment legally. And
25:10
Speaker 3: what a travesty that people have no ideas And a
25:13
Speaker 3: lot of times, even to this day, I may be
25:17
Speaker 3: going to biohacking conference, right these are biohackers. You would
25:20
Speaker 3: think that they know the latest, and a lot of
25:23
Speaker 3: them do know that you can get stem cell therapy,
25:25
Speaker 3: but there are still people who think it's not legal.
25:28
Speaker 3: So this tells you how entrenched these misinformation can be.
25:34
Speaker 3: So so I'm faced with different levels of obstacles, misinformation
25:40
Speaker 3: and systemic suppression. So I have to use some of
25:43
Speaker 3: that tiger spirit in order to do this. Because if
25:46
Speaker 3: I had been always worried about what the regulation says,
25:51
Speaker 3: you know, you know, how is that going to? What
25:53
Speaker 3: does amount of practice insurance cover it? What? You know?
25:58
Speaker 3: What what is the medical board? So if all I
26:01
Speaker 3: can think of is what if instead of what if?
26:05
Speaker 3: This can really really make a huge difference in people.
26:09
Speaker 3: So if I my what if is focused on my
26:12
Speaker 3: own uh, you know, safety, then I would have never
26:17
Speaker 3: saved so many lives and make such incredible differences in
26:22
Speaker 3: just in so many and and bringing bringing the knowledge,
26:27
Speaker 3: uh into you know, so many people's lives. So I
26:31
Speaker 3: think the priority as a healer, as a doctor needs
26:34
Speaker 3: to be set straight. What I go what I go
26:38
Speaker 3: off by, what I base my opinion by is research
26:42
Speaker 3: from around the world. So if the research has shown
26:45
Speaker 3: incredible benefits in a wide range of conditions and with
26:50
Speaker 3: so little side effects. I mean, I challenge you to
26:53
Speaker 3: go look for side effects of stem cell therapy. It's
26:57
Speaker 3: so incredibly safe. Of course, if your doctors do the
27:00
Speaker 3: procedure wrong and it's injecting things in places they shouldn't
27:03
Speaker 3: be injecting, there's a whole other story. But if you
27:06
Speaker 3: adhere to proper protocols and using products that are clean,
27:10
Speaker 3: that are properly produced, then it's extraordinarily safe. So anyhow,
27:17
Speaker 3: if you know that you're giving something that's safe and
27:20
Speaker 3: that's potent, then it's up to you whether or not
27:25
Speaker 3: what you believes are right for patients, and you can
27:28
Speaker 3: focus on that and do the right thing. So yeah,
27:32
Speaker 3: that I think requires some of the tiger spirit.
27:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
27:36
Speaker 1: I think because you've had some harsh experiences in life,
27:40
Speaker 1: you know right from wrong, and you know how to
27:43
Speaker 1: act with moral courage, you know.
27:46
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe I've always been like that though, So that
27:51
Speaker 3: is kind of part of my makeup. Even when I
27:54
Speaker 3: was growing in China. Growing up in China, there are
27:57
Speaker 3: so many rules, and I really did not like all
28:00
Speaker 3: these artificial rules because I always felt that I need
28:06
Speaker 3: to understand why there are rules around and what's the purpose.
28:11
Speaker 3: So I would never blindly follow. I would dissect the
28:15
Speaker 3: rules that that was imposed on me and make this
28:18
Speaker 3: decision whether or not it actually makes sense, and if
28:22
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense, just somebody's arbitrary rule or you know,
28:26
Speaker 3: the reason for the rule is not for the benefit
28:32
Speaker 3: of everybody, it's only benefiting a particular number of people.
28:36
Speaker 3: To me, that is not a rightful rule, and then
28:40
Speaker 3: that is not my rule. So by universal law, then
28:45
Speaker 3: that is not a rule that I need to abide by.
28:47
Speaker 3: So I've always want to go by, you know, what's
28:51
Speaker 3: the right thing. So to me, that's a that's the
28:55
Speaker 3: higher level of rule of law. Yeah, so I go
29:02
Speaker 3: by the higher.
29:03
Speaker 1: Law like moral authority exactly.
29:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
29:07
Speaker 1: Are you familiar this is a guy I think he
29:10
Speaker 1: had a big influence on Anthony Robbins. Dr Robert Young,
29:15
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's He wrote this book which I got
29:19
Speaker 1: a signed copy from him years ago when I met
29:22
Speaker 1: him in in England. He wrote The pH Miracle. Okay,
29:27
Speaker 1: and yeah, that book changed my life. That the how
29:32
Speaker 1: can you say? It was such a massive paradigm shift
29:35
Speaker 1: to me to be taught that our bodies have a
29:39
Speaker 1: pH level like all living creatures, plants, et cetera. And yeah,
29:46
Speaker 1: really it really changed my life.
29:49
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're there. That's great. Yeah, there. So that's
29:52
Speaker 3: part of the awakening, right, part of the fundamental understandings.
29:57
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of understandings that we've come to,
30:00
Speaker 3: including you know, nutrition and including you know, what minerals
30:06
Speaker 3: can do for our body, what about hormones, and that's
30:08
Speaker 3: a huge part of anti aging medicine. So the body
30:11
Speaker 3: is very complex. pH is one of one of thousands
30:16
Speaker 3: of different factors, right, is very important. But we're just
30:20
Speaker 3: you know, beginning to you know, kind of peel off
30:23
Speaker 3: the mystery of the body, layer by layer. So this
30:28
Speaker 3: is why my academy is called American Academy of Integrated
30:32
Speaker 3: celth Therapy because I do not want people to think
30:35
Speaker 3: cell therapy is end all, be all, and this is
30:37
Speaker 3: all you need to heal the body. No, the body
30:40
Speaker 3: is very complex. If you lack certain vitamin or certain
30:45
Speaker 3: amino acids, your body can rebuild itself. And so we
30:49
Speaker 3: have to respect that if you have underlying infections, these
30:53
Speaker 3: bugs are in your body, you have to somehow subdue
30:56
Speaker 3: them or get rid of them, otherwise you're always suffering.
30:59
Speaker 3: So the body is very, very complex. Yeah, so the
31:02
Speaker 3: integration is really key.
31:05
Speaker 1: So doctor, for those of us out out here that
31:08
Speaker 1: are sort of unaware of stem cell therapy, what, what
31:12
Speaker 1: are the mechanics of it?
31:13
Speaker 3: What?
31:14
Speaker 2: What do you I mean? I get it.
31:16
Speaker 1: You're trying to regenerate new new growth. Would I'll be
31:20
Speaker 1: right right.
31:21
Speaker 3: So it's all about making the body new. So what
31:24
Speaker 3: the stem cell therapy is doing depends on what kind
31:27
Speaker 3: of cells you're using. So you're if you're using a
31:30
Speaker 3: end more cells that can differentiate into a local tissue cell.
31:36
Speaker 3: Like there are companies that will seduce seduce, will induce
31:44
Speaker 3: stem cells to go into certain directions by using certain
31:49
Speaker 3: signaling molecules. Let's say they induce cells to become neural
31:54
Speaker 3: progenitor cells, so then they can become neurons and that's
31:58
Speaker 3: a more targeted treatment. But what we can do these
32:04
Speaker 3: days is that we don't have to be super specific.
32:08
Speaker 3: We can use cells that are more upstream. One has
32:12
Speaker 3: ability to differentiate into anything you want. Or two by
32:17
Speaker 3: sending signals to your tissue organ specific stem cells that
32:23
Speaker 3: only has one direction to go, which is to replenish
32:26
Speaker 3: cells of that organ. We can have cells like messen
32:30
Speaker 3: chymal stem cells really good at doing that by sending signals,
32:34
Speaker 3: waking up the local tissue specific stem cells and making
32:38
Speaker 3: them divide and differentiate. Now we can make new tissues.
32:41
Speaker 3: So they're different approaches. So now even with these broader approach,
32:47
Speaker 3: which is a lot of fun messen kymos stem cells
32:49
Speaker 3: that's a major cell type I utilize, but there are
32:53
Speaker 3: also other cells that can be very powerful and they
32:56
Speaker 3: can work in conjunction. So one of the things I
32:58
Speaker 3: brought to the field is to combine different cell types,
33:01
Speaker 3: and that has not been done very much, but coming
33:04
Speaker 3: from a background of utilizing not just one herb that
33:09
Speaker 3: can have thousands of compounds, but multiple herbs coming together
33:14
Speaker 3: to create this new symphony that can have a system
33:19
Speaker 3: kind of you know, up leveling of effects. So by
33:23
Speaker 3: combining different cell types and they can go into the
33:26
Speaker 3: body and do their magic and work together, we can
33:29
Speaker 3: create some incredible regeneration by reducing the inflammation modulating the
33:35
Speaker 3: immune system. That's one thing mesenchymal stems that's really good
33:39
Speaker 3: at is to shift immune system to a more regenitive
33:44
Speaker 3: tendency and then it can break down scar tissue, it
33:48
Speaker 3: can promote vascular formations more blessed supply. It can help
33:53
Speaker 3: you fight microbes, you can protect the tissue that may
33:58
Speaker 3: otherwise die due to to certain damages and signally, and
34:02
Speaker 3: it can also help kill off cancer cells. And it
34:05
Speaker 3: can also deliver new energy source like mitochondria. Especially if
34:10
Speaker 3: you use younger cells, you're going to get younger mitochondria.
34:13
Speaker 3: So all these are mechanisms of how the cells work,
34:17
Speaker 3: But as far as how we utilize these stem cells,
34:21
Speaker 3: they're too broad approaches. One is to send signals so
34:26
Speaker 3: your body can repair and regenerate. The other one is
34:28
Speaker 3: to actually scent cells that can become part of your body.
34:33
Speaker 3: So I hope that answers.
34:35
Speaker 1: To question, yes, absolutely, what is there one sort of
34:39
Speaker 1: procedure that people seek out more than others.
34:44
Speaker 3: I think the most popular one that people are utilizing
34:47
Speaker 3: it for is for joint and soft tissue injuries and
34:51
Speaker 3: musculars skeletal problems. I call it the bread and butter
34:54
Speaker 3: of stem cell therapy. That's the most basic and the easiest.
34:59
Speaker 3: Other one it's not as common, but that we utilize
35:06
Speaker 3: more systemic approach, something like autoimmune conditions, which has a
35:11
Speaker 3: lot of research evidence. And then there are also a
35:14
Speaker 3: lot of evidence in helping with different organs. So in
35:18
Speaker 3: our clinic, eighty percent of our patients actually have severe
35:21
Speaker 3: chronic health issues, and that ranges from very difficult to
35:26
Speaker 3: treat brain issues like traumatic brain injury, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS, als, stroke,
35:35
Speaker 3: so all these are very very difficult issues, but we
35:41
Speaker 3: have seen sometimes drastic improvements in patients. And then people
35:46
Speaker 3: with all kinds of internal organ issues. We've seen incredible
35:50
Speaker 3: results in heart, long liver, kidney repair, testicles or variant function.
35:58
Speaker 3: So we can help so many organs in the system,
36:01
Speaker 3: and it's really because the beauty of how the cells work.
36:04
Speaker 3: I can put cells into the IV route and they
36:07
Speaker 3: know where to go because they're attracted by inflammation and injury,
36:11
Speaker 3: so they find their way to places that need their help,
36:15
Speaker 3: and once they get there, they will send signals that's
36:18
Speaker 3: appropriate for local damages. So that's the elegance of stem
36:23
Speaker 3: cell therapy and it also makes it so fascinating and
36:26
Speaker 3: fun to do. So these are the yeah, but we
36:30
Speaker 3: can also do targeted approaches. For example, the brain, we
36:34
Speaker 3: can inject cells into the nasal membrane. First of all,
36:39
Speaker 3: we can open up the bloodberin barrier, so more cells
36:42
Speaker 3: can through the IV route can get into the brain.
36:44
Speaker 3: But we can also inject into the nasal membrane and
36:48
Speaker 3: that'll be uptaken into the brain. We can also use
36:50
Speaker 3: exosomes which are very easy to be absorbed and by
36:56
Speaker 3: the muclesal membrane and that will be uptaken into the brain.
37:00
Speaker 3: So there are different ways that we can access the body.
37:04
Speaker 1: It sounds, it sounds fascinating. You sound very clever.
37:14
Speaker 3: Well, you know you're dealing with a very clever system.
37:17
Speaker 3: So how can we, you know, utilize how I would works?
37:22
Speaker 3: And yeah, and another thing if you mentioned clever, I
37:26
Speaker 3: thought was pretty clever when I incorporated laser into our
37:30
Speaker 3: stem cell treatment because what light can do, and these
37:34
Speaker 3: laser and we can set them into different frequencies, they
37:37
Speaker 3: can talk to different organs. But not only that, they
37:40
Speaker 3: can actually make the cells more active, make them, give
37:44
Speaker 3: them more potential to divide, and make them more mobile,
37:48
Speaker 3: and also make them stick to the organ that you're
37:51
Speaker 3: shining the light on. So that is just fascinating. So
37:55
Speaker 3: I can literally I'm not going to inject into someone's
37:58
Speaker 3: heart or liver, but I can shine the light on
38:02
Speaker 3: those organs and the cells will be attracted. So this
38:05
Speaker 3: is a non invasive way of putting cells into a
38:08
Speaker 3: particular location, and that has amplified our capabilities.
38:13
Speaker 2: That's incredible. What about.
38:16
Speaker 1: Is there any sort of controversy around this area of
38:20
Speaker 1: the sort of groups out there that disagree with it.
38:23
Speaker 3: Controversy a lot of times come from concerns about legality.
38:30
Speaker 3: So these are some of the artificial constraints placed on
38:35
Speaker 3: the field. And the other controversy is misunderstanding that people
38:40
Speaker 3: still are somehow holding on to circulating ideas of either
38:49
Speaker 3: embryos being destroyed or fetus has been destroyed, asking, you know,
38:54
Speaker 3: are you getting cells from aborted fetuses? And I don't
38:58
Speaker 3: know anybody. I don't know a single human being that
39:01
Speaker 3: does that. There are people that do that in some countries,
39:05
Speaker 3: but not in the US. I've never met anybody that
39:08
Speaker 3: does that. It's not legal. Excuse me, so, but that
39:13
Speaker 3: somehow people are still worried about it, you know, worried
39:16
Speaker 3: about we're destroying life in some way or form, and
39:20
Speaker 3: embryonics themselves, there are cell lines that are utilizing cells
39:26
Speaker 3: from embryonics themselves. So you have to destroy an embryo
39:29
Speaker 3: in order to get embryonics themselves, which came from day
39:32
Speaker 3: five to seven after fertilization, but it's not used in humans,
39:38
Speaker 3: is in research in the US, so no one is
39:41
Speaker 3: using embryonic stem cells or borted fetuses. So that's been
39:46
Speaker 3: one of the major misconceptions. And another one, you know,
39:51
Speaker 3: I have to emphasize is that people are worried about
39:55
Speaker 3: promoting cancer and you have to really look at what
40:00
Speaker 3: cells you're using. If you're using your own cells, which
40:02
Speaker 3: has declined in its capabilities and in its ability to
40:06
Speaker 3: detect cancer and respond to cancer appropriately because in losssibility,
40:12
Speaker 3: it continues to perform its function, which is to help
40:16
Speaker 3: things grow, so then it will produce growth factors that
40:19
Speaker 3: can end up promoting existing cancer. But if you use
40:23
Speaker 3: younger sources like what I use from the umbilical court,
40:27
Speaker 3: there's no evidence that it can actually promote cancer growth
40:31
Speaker 3: in the human body. So on the contrary, there's so
40:36
Speaker 3: much evidence that it's UNTI cancer. Do you really have
40:38
Speaker 3: to know what you know, where these ideas come from,
40:45
Speaker 3: the information come from, and be discerning of what kind
40:49
Speaker 3: of cells we're talking about.
40:50
Speaker 1: And Dr Joey one question, So for people out there
40:55
Speaker 1: who are watching or.
40:56
Speaker 2: Listening, now, how.
40:58
Speaker 1: Affordable is this to say the average person.
41:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cost has been one concern. The range is
41:06
Speaker 3: quite wide, so generally it can range between five thousand
41:10
Speaker 3: to fifty thousand dollars, so it's a huge range.
41:14
Speaker 4: Uh.
41:14
Speaker 3: And people think that they will get better prices going overseas,
41:17
Speaker 3: and that's definitely not true because I've got so many
41:20
Speaker 3: patients who are looking at going overseas and who some
41:24
Speaker 3: of them have gone overseas and then coming to our
41:26
Speaker 3: clinic saying, you know, you have better sells, better protocols,
41:30
Speaker 3: and you're cheaper, so the cost is you know, I
41:35
Speaker 3: try to make sure that our cost is in the
41:40
Speaker 3: mid range in the US and a slightly lower, you know,
41:44
Speaker 3: for the quality we provide. You know, we're really providing
41:47
Speaker 3: incredible value. So that's always my approach. I want to
41:50
Speaker 3: give value, but not sacrificing quality. So if you're doing
41:57
Speaker 3: just a simple injection, like in our clinic, we charge
42:00
Speaker 3: fifty five hundred dollars for a simple joint injection. But
42:04
Speaker 3: if you want IV treatment, which I think is one
42:06
Speaker 3: of the most powerful form of therapy. I say this
42:10
Speaker 3: because I've seen it in my clinic in the past
42:12
Speaker 3: ten years, and I've trained hundreds of doctors and they
42:15
Speaker 3: tell me what happens when they provide the treatment, and
42:19
Speaker 3: most of them are IV treatments, so that in our
42:23
Speaker 3: clinic starts at eighty five hundred dollars. The more cells
42:27
Speaker 3: you use, so the more products it's going to be required,
42:31
Speaker 3: and the products are expensive, and that will, you know,
42:36
Speaker 3: start to add up the cost. And if a person
42:39
Speaker 3: wants in TORNASO, you know, they want to add on
42:42
Speaker 3: different things and to add more products, more procedure. You
42:44
Speaker 3: want to inject into the joints. Maybe we also do
42:47
Speaker 3: sexual rejuvenation. We can inject into the penis vagina enhancing
42:51
Speaker 3: sexual function. We can also do ascetic treatments, so stem
42:55
Speaker 3: cells or exosomes on the face or hair to promote
43:00
Speaker 3: hair restoration and facial rejuvenation. So all these things add up.
43:03
Speaker 3: So if you want to do everything, then it's going
43:05
Speaker 3: to be more expensive.
43:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course, I'm doctor. On a completely
43:11
Speaker 1: different note, there's obviously a lot going on in the
43:14
Speaker 1: world at the moment. What's the sort of feeling in
43:17
Speaker 1: LA about President Trump's actions of recent you mean the war, Yeah,
43:24
Speaker 1: the war and the I.
43:25
Speaker 3: Don't think, you know. I I'm trying to focus on
43:30
Speaker 3: healing people and educating other doctors. So I yeah, I
43:36
Speaker 3: try not to get into the politics. I think the
43:39
Speaker 3: world is definitely shifting. Some actions are You're either in
43:44
Speaker 3: the wise category or in the unwise category. So I
43:50
Speaker 3: think worst of such is always unwise. So there are
43:55
Speaker 3: ways to solve problems. Unless you have aulter motive that
43:59
Speaker 3: you want certain things to happen, you're not focused on
44:02
Speaker 3: solving problems. So fundamentally, I'm very much against war. I
44:08
Speaker 3: think as a result of the breakdown of human communication
44:12
Speaker 3: and decency when you cannot just talk things out. So
44:15
Speaker 3: that's kind of my general yeah sense.
44:19
Speaker 2: So give me for asking.
44:20
Speaker 1: It's just that obviously we get a very one sided
44:23
Speaker 1: portray it.
44:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a wide range of opinions within the United States,
44:28
Speaker 3: whether or not as a country. It's you know, decided
44:31
Speaker 3: to do something.
44:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, got you, got you well, doctor. It's been an
44:35
Speaker 1: absolute pleasure hosting you on the show. I'd love to
44:39
Speaker 1: see what the questions are that our friends out there
44:42
Speaker 1: have got for you, and then we can maybe invite
44:44
Speaker 1: you back on to answer them. I think it's been
44:47
Speaker 1: a fascinating chat. Perhaps we can learn more about your story.
44:50
Speaker 1: We when we chat next time. Absolutely, I meant to say,
44:54
Speaker 1: if you see me looking across, it wasn't being rude.
44:56
Speaker 1: I've been showing all your your websites and your instrument.
45:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just maybe give people a range of you know,
45:03
Speaker 3: idea of what I've worked on to bring to the world.
45:08
Speaker 3: One is my clinic in Los Angeles. Two is that
45:11
Speaker 3: I set up a stem cell company. Like I mentioned,
45:13
Speaker 3: we have a unique stem cell formulation. So I wanted
45:16
Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm a pillar of integrity in
45:19
Speaker 3: the field because I've experienced so much lack of integrity
45:24
Speaker 3: in the stem cell field, partially because it's a very
45:27
Speaker 3: profitable arena of medicine. So many people got into it,
45:33
Speaker 3: and a lot of them are business people who are
45:36
Speaker 3: utilizing expertise of scientists to to you know, to start
45:41
Speaker 3: making money in the field. That I don't mind. But
45:45
Speaker 3: if you start to fudd your data or lie about
45:48
Speaker 3: what you're doing and not producing the best products based
45:52
Speaker 3: on science, that's what I have a problem with. I
45:54
Speaker 3: don't have any problem with people making money by bringing
45:59
Speaker 3: value to the world, but because of what I saw
46:02
Speaker 3: and how disappointed I was, that's why I started a
46:05
Speaker 3: stem cell company and then from that an offshoot of
46:09
Speaker 3: a cosmetic company called shower Omni, where I started to
46:12
Speaker 3: produce a really amazing skin cream because I wanted to
46:17
Speaker 3: produce something that's one hundred percent natural, because I absolutely
46:21
Speaker 3: tried to live by the rules of being cleaned right,
46:25
Speaker 3: not inducing, not introducing a toxic material into this very
46:32
Speaker 3: sacred body that we've been given. So that, but then
46:36
Speaker 3: I also put stem cells and peptides into the formulation,
46:40
Speaker 3: which makes it supercharged. And then I have an academy
46:44
Speaker 3: training doctors would do certification courses twice a year. And
46:48
Speaker 3: then I of course do my podcast, the doctor Joycom Podcasts,
46:54
Speaker 3: which has been over three years and I've interviewed a
46:57
Speaker 3: lot of amazing people. I think I hope people go in,
47:00
Speaker 3: you know, check it out. So yeah, so these are
47:03
Speaker 3: some of the resources. I want to make sure that
47:06
Speaker 3: people realize that I've been working very hard, that's for sure. Yeah.
47:11
Speaker 1: We can see that. I mean, we know from experience
47:13
Speaker 1: what it's like to get so many subscribers on YouTube.
47:17
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
47:18
Speaker 3: That has taken many years.
47:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a whole career in itself, isn't it just
47:24
Speaker 1: just just to do the YouTube?
47:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, starting from the very first video in my living
47:29
Speaker 3: room when my staff member asked me, what is a
47:33
Speaker 3: stun cell? That was at the very beginning.
47:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Dotor, what we're going to do. We're going
47:40
Speaker 1: to put all your links friends at home. We're going
47:42
Speaker 1: to put links for doctor Cong's book, the websites, Instagram,
47:48
Speaker 1: LinkedIn if you, I mean, people can approach you, Dotor,
47:53
Speaker 1: con can't they for information?
47:55
Speaker 3: Yeah? So Instagram probably is the best place. Just at
47:59
Speaker 3: doctor underscore you way underscore Kong. People can send me
48:03
Speaker 3: messages and follow my fun fun reels.
48:10
Speaker 1: Yes, you've got quite a few followers on Instagram. Yeah,
48:15
Speaker 1: that's the new way of dealing with life, isn't it is?
48:18
Speaker 1: How many followers someone's got?
48:22
Speaker 3: I know, isn't that interesting? Yeah?
48:25
Speaker 1: How times have changed? But Doctor, if you can hang around,
48:29
Speaker 1: please wait while I just play us out so I
48:31
Speaker 1: can thank you properly at the end. But if you
48:33
Speaker 1: need to shoot that that's.
48:34
Speaker 2: Not a problem.
48:36
Speaker 1: No, I'm good, wonderful then in that case, just to
48:39
Speaker 1: say thank you ever so much again.
48:41
Speaker 2: Friends.
48:42
Speaker 1: As I said, all the links are below. If you
48:44
Speaker 1: can like and subscribe, that would be absolutely awesome. And
48:50
Speaker 1: I should be back from everest by the time this
48:53
Speaker 1: podcast goes out, So can I just say a massive
48:56
Speaker 1: thank you to everybody that has donated to help me
49:01
Speaker 1: shine a light for our struggling veterans. And if you
49:07
Speaker 1: can spare five pounds or five bucks, there's a link.
49:10
Speaker 1: There'll be a link somewhere in the description below.
49:13
Speaker 2: Doctor.
49:13
Speaker 1: Thanks ever so much again, much love, everybody, Thank you, Chris,
49:17
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
49:19
Speaker 2: Friends.
49:20
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Bought the t Shirt Podcast.
49:23
Speaker 4: Please like, subscribe, and share, and don't forget to follow
49:28
Speaker 4: me on social media. Use the name Chris Throll, Instagram,
49:34
Speaker 4: Chris dot Throll.
49:36
Speaker 2: Thank you