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Sharri | 11 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Line sharing. Thanks Andrew and welcome to the show. Well.
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Speaker 1: The New South Wales state government today confirmed an inquiry
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Speaker 1: will be held into greyhound racing. Leah Drake, who was
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Speaker 1: the inaugural Integrity Commissioner at the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission,
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Speaker 1: also served on the Fair Work Commission. She's been appointed
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Speaker 1: Acting Commissioner of the New South Wales Greyhound Welfare and
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Speaker 1: Integrity Commission known as g WICK and she will leave
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Speaker 1: this independent inquiry. Racing Minister David Harris confirmed the inquiry
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Speaker 1: would look into greyhound welfare and the care of greyhounds
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Speaker 1: by the governing body Greyhound Racing New South Wales, including
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Speaker 1: adoption and rehoming programs, the body's processes and management including
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Speaker 1: procurement and recruitment practices. It's reporting an accuracy in relation
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Speaker 1: to greyhounds, and management's response to complaints or concerns about
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Speaker 1: organizational and workplace culture and conduct. Mister Harris said in
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Speaker 1: a statement that he was absolutely committed to ensuring a competitive,
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Speaker 1: responsible and sustainable greyhound racing industry with the highest standards
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Speaker 1: of animal sorry welfare and integrity. It's important that the
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Speaker 1: governing bodies and senior leadership of the racing codes meet
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Speaker 1: these standards. I take these various concerns about greyhound racing
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Speaker 1: New South Wales very seriously and this inquiry, using the
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Speaker 1: full investigative powers of g WICK, will conduct a thorough
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Speaker 1: and wide ranging review of all relevant issues. He also
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Speaker 1: had this to say at a press conference.
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Speaker 2: What we need to do is let the inquiry look
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Speaker 2: into these issues and give recommendations back to the government
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Speaker 2: about how we can change the license conditions if necessary,
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Speaker 2: or implement improvements to ensure that we have best practice.
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Speaker 1: No doubt many in the industry will be tonight worried
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Speaker 1: depending on the results of this inquiry that a ban
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Speaker 1: could well be back on the cards now. As I
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Speaker 1: said last night, the trigger for this is a letter
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Speaker 1: from the Greyhound Racing New South Wales former chief Vet,
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Speaker 1: which was sent to the governing body in June, claiming
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Speaker 1: that rehoming rates had been inflated, dogs were racing too much,
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Speaker 1: causing too many injuries, and that they were left to
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Speaker 1: live out their miserable post racing lives in industrial kennels
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Speaker 1: quote unquote. Some of the allegations, including those relating to
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Speaker 1: veterinary care, warranted further investigation. According to a response by
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Speaker 1: g Wick that was tabled in state parliament this week,
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Speaker 1: but it also dismissed others as wrong, including that hundreds
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Speaker 1: of dog deaths had been hidden. The chief executive of
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Speaker 1: Greyhound Racing New South Wales also resigned this week. Now,
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Speaker 1: while this investigation may focus on the governing body rather itself,
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Speaker 1: rather than the entire industry, here's what David Harris said
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Speaker 1: were in the terms of reference.
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Speaker 3: The accuracy and reporting by Greyhound Racing New South Wales
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Speaker 3: in relation to Gris greyhounds and whether that reporting represents
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Speaker 3: the true state of the greyhound racing industry, including the
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Speaker 3: welfare of greyhounds and the state of related programs under
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Speaker 3: Greyhound Racing New South Wales Control Awareness and Oversight.
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Speaker 1: That's despite Gwick already dismissing concerns about things like death
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Speaker 1: numbers being wrong. And of course, if the investigation were
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Speaker 1: to find that the governing body had covered things up,
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Speaker 1: that would tend to suggest problems in the industry at
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Speaker 1: large that needed covering up, which may well open the
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Speaker 1: door to trouble for the entire industry and not just
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Speaker 1: the governing body, and any sort of problems within the
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Speaker 1: post racing rehoming program could also be a trigger for
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Speaker 1: activists to pursue another ban. Whatever the inquiry uncovers, animal
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Speaker 1: activists will use what are most likely rare cases to
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Speaker 1: push for a ban on greyhound racing. And in a
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Speaker 1: six sort of way, these people actually want bad things
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Speaker 1: to happen. They can help bolster their argument. The industry
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Speaker 1: that I know has little to worry about in an inquiry,
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Speaker 1: and anyone who does not take their responsibility towards their
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Speaker 1: animals seriously deserves to be named and shamed. Any kind
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Speaker 1: of mismanagement or misbehavior deserves to be exposed for the
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Speaker 1: good of the sport and the welfare of the animals.
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Speaker 1: But you'd be foolish to think that activists with an
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Speaker 1: axe to grind will not try to hijack this inquiry.
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Speaker 1: The Greens have a policy of banning all racing. Now.
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Speaker 1: If this inquiry uncovers any mistreatment or shoddy practices among
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Speaker 1: a few bad apples, the Greens and their milk will
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Speaker 1: almost certainly use it to push for a ban. These
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Speaker 1: activists peddle the lie that horses and dogs are just
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Speaker 1: disposable machines for the profit of owners. But I can
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Speaker 1: assure you, as someone who owns both that I generally
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Speaker 1: spend much more than I make in prize money because
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Speaker 1: I love the sport and these marvelous athletic animals. As
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Speaker 1: to all the participants, I know they get into racing
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Speaker 1: because they love the sport and they love the animals. Now, yes,
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Speaker 1: there will always be bad apples, but there are bad
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Speaker 1: apples everywhere. You cannot, on the basis of their behavior,
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Speaker 1: besmirch an entire industry. That's what the activists will try
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Speaker 1: to do. Though New South Wales Premier Chris Mins yesterday
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Speaker 1: said that he would not ban greyhound racing and whatever
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Speaker 1: the results of this inquiry, he has to stick to
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Speaker 1: his guns. The one insurance policy against a ban is
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Speaker 1: that Mens isn't stupid and he'd well know, especially after
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Speaker 1: watching what happened to make Baird when he tried to
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Speaker 1: ban greyhound racing sorry in twenty sixteen, that a ban
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Speaker 1: would be electoral poison for labor in the regions. But
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Speaker 1: the noise will be loud and the activists will fight hard. Now,
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Speaker 1: like many involved in racing, I welcome an inquiry, but
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Speaker 1: we must be careful that it is used to improve
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Speaker 1: the industry and not turned into a witch hunt. As
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Speaker 1: I said last night, greyhound racing mightn't be as popular
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Speaker 1: as horse racing, but that makes it an easy target
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Speaker 1: for activists and an easy sacrificial lamb for governments that
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Speaker 1: want to shut them up. Sacrificing the dogs would open
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Speaker 1: a much, much bigger problem. Now, while we're on animals
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Speaker 1: and activists, I have to tell you the curious story
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Speaker 1: of Yarra Council in Melbourne, which probably would have to
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Speaker 1: be one of the worker's councils anywhere in the world
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Speaker 1: I reckon now. The council is this week unanimously voted
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Speaker 1: for a climate emergency plan that said we need to
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Speaker 1: decolonize the landscape and outdoor spaces by using traditional Aboriginal
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Speaker 1: land management practices, which would apparently bring the area back
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Speaker 1: from quote unquote the precipice of climate and ecological collapse.
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Speaker 1: The plan says this means prioritizing climate resilient indigenous and
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Speaker 1: native vegetation, including trees, grasses, and groundcovers, which will provide
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Speaker 1: suitable habitat for our native wildlife while minimizing resource intensive
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Speaker 1: maintenance practices. Simultaneously, decolonizing our outdoor spaces means ensuring that
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Speaker 1: the knowledge and practices of the Warujuri woi Warang are
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Speaker 1: embedded into land management. There you go, climate change solved
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Speaker 1: by Yarra Council. It also said that residents should act
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Speaker 1: on the climate emergency using public transport or walking or
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Speaker 1: riding a bike, consuming resources consciously whatever that means, and
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Speaker 1: move their banking and superannuation away from companies that invest
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Speaker 1: in fossil fuels. But here's the real silver bullet. The
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Speaker 1: council recommended that residents adopt a vegetarian diet. Yes, your
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Speaker 1: council is telling you what you should and shouldn't eat.
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Speaker 1: And you'd expect then that Yarra Council had been leading
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Speaker 1: by example that they were all veo. So have a
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Speaker 1: guess what was served up to councilors and executive staff
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Speaker 1: before their meeting this week. Kinwa salad, perhaps maybe a
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Speaker 1: little mushroom risotto will No, it was roast beef. They
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Speaker 1: knocked down on roast beef and then walked into the
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Speaker 1: chamber to tell residents that they should be eating venjo
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Speaker 1: to save the planet. One rule for thee another for me. Now,
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Speaker 1: they've generally offered beef, lamb or chicken dishes before their
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Speaker 1: meetings apparently so. Of course, the Herald's son asked the
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Speaker 1: council about this, and lo and behold, they came back
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Speaker 1: this afternoon and said that meat will be off the
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Speaker 1: menu from now on and councilors and staff will be
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Speaker 1: subjected to plant based meals. Only one wonders whether if
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Speaker 1: the Herald son hadn't asked that question, whether that would
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Speaker 1: have ever happened, they would have just kept eating the
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Speaker 1: beef and the chicken and the lamb. But I also
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Speaker 1: wonder how many people will actually rock up to these
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Speaker 1: pre meeting dinners from now on. Also tonight, as the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister insists that gas projects are the key to
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Speaker 1: our transition to net zero, Labour's own energy consultation paper
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Speaker 1: has rejected the gas industry. Plus the ghost of Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister's past Malcolm Turbul, he resorts back to haunting his
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Speaker 1: former Liberal rivals, and one of them has hit back,
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Speaker 1: and the Hollywood star slash mega Democrat funder who's turning
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Speaker 1: his back on Joe Biden like so many of them. Well,
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Speaker 1: the rise of the Muslim vote in the UK election
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Speaker 1: last week has stirred speculation that this will drip feed
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Speaker 1: into our elections here in Australia. On the first of July,
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Speaker 1: this group called the Muslim Vote was established, and it's
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Speaker 1: a group that, according to their website, is a movement
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Speaker 1: that is alone capable of forcing the current government into
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Speaker 1: minority government. Well, the Daily Telegraph exclusively revealed today that
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Speaker 1: a man named Mohammad Khanan is the sole director of
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Speaker 1: this group, a man who said he had no previous
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Speaker 1: experience in politics or political campaigns for that matter. Joining
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Speaker 1: me now to discuss his commentator Jason Morrison and the
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Speaker 1: Daily Telegraphs Federal Report political reporter, Sorry Angira barhard Waj Jason,
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Speaker 1: I cannot believe that we have a situation here, of
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Speaker 1: course where and you've got this group funded by someone
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Speaker 1: who's never had an interest in politics before, sprung up
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere. They've worked out that maybe they've got
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Speaker 1: a bit of sway, now.
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Speaker 4: Bit of sway.
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Speaker 5: Look, they're a lobby group for the moment, but when
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Speaker 5: they become a political party, I'm looking forward to Labor
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Speaker 5: and the Coalition treating them like they've treated one nation forever,
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Speaker 5: because you've still got you Dimwitz and the Coalition that
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Speaker 5: want to put one nation last. Because it's such an
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Speaker 5: abhorrent political movement we can't deal with it.
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Speaker 1: So you're going to deal with a.
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Speaker 5: Mob, are you, Labor Party Greens that represents, at its
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Speaker 5: most radical fringe, some of the most atrocious and disgusting
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Speaker 5: things that it is abc use with the Australian culture.
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Speaker 5: That's not to say all Muslim culture is, but there's
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Speaker 5: a fraction of it that is. And I find it
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Speaker 5: staggering that this is being treated as, oh, well, it's
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Speaker 5: just another group out there. They will not be representing
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Speaker 5: the moderate view. They will be representing the extremist view.
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Speaker 5: And if the view of one nation is it's always
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Speaker 5: been about extremists and things like that, then treat this
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Speaker 5: mob the same and watch them have absolutely no political
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Speaker 5: influence in Australia. But they won't. Labor will trade with them,
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Speaker 5: the Greens will endorse them and back them and be
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Speaker 5: partners with them, and you'll have this sort of bizarre
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Speaker 5: situation emerging, as you have seen in the UK at
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Speaker 5: the moment, where you actually do have a thorough block
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Speaker 5: of people who vote a particular way based on religious
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Speaker 5: and ethnic lines, and that's not a good thing in
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Speaker 5: this country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course it may not all of them
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Speaker 1: may represent an extremist view and gear, but you know
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Speaker 1: you've got a significant block here that says they're going
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Speaker 1: to give it a serious go. How much of a
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Speaker 1: threat do you think is that it is really to
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Speaker 1: Labor seats in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 6: Look, Caleb, I think a lot of this depends on
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Speaker 6: the timing of the election and also what happens in
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Speaker 6: Gaza between now and a potential election. There have been
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Speaker 6: suggestions we might have an election as early as later
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Speaker 6: this year, so that would really change things because, as
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Speaker 6: it's clear the story in the Telegraph today, this movement
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Speaker 6: is really in its infancy. We have not seen it
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Speaker 6: get anywhere near as organized as it was in the UK,
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Speaker 6: so I think it's a bit of a case of
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Speaker 6: time will tell in terms of danger in a lot
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Speaker 6: of those Western Sydney seats. Labor sources have admitted to
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Speaker 6: me that Tony Burke's seat of Watson is one that
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Speaker 6: could be at risk. It does have a very high
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Speaker 6: Muslim population and people are there quite frustrated with Labour's response.
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Speaker 6: But we do have a preference system that doesn't really
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Speaker 6: allow these movements to have the same impact as they
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Speaker 6: did in the UK now and Gira.
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Speaker 1: We talked about this on the show last night, but
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Speaker 1: you revealed yesterday the Daily Telegraph that in the month
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Speaker 1: of May this year you had more than two thousand,
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Speaker 1: three hundred asylum seekers that flew into Australia and that's
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Speaker 1: the most popular way for quote unquote asylum seekers to
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Speaker 1: get into the country. Now, that was the highest month
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Speaker 1: since Albanizi took office two years ago. Is the government
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Speaker 1: concerned about the levels at which they're coming in, particularly
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Speaker 1: given that I think it's eleven people of the eighty
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Speaker 1: odd thousand that have flown into this country have actually left.
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Speaker 6: Look, if they're not concerned, they really should be, because
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Speaker 6: this is an area where the Coalition has traditionally been
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Speaker 6: quite strong, and with an election coming up, it will
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Speaker 6: be an area that the Coalition and voters will be
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Speaker 6: watching closely. Now with two active wars around the world
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Speaker 6: right now, we can't really afford to have dodgy asylum
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Speaker 6: seekers trying to get into the country when we also
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Speaker 6: have people coming by boat. We did have a report
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Speaker 6: today about people from coming by Indonesia and having boats
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Speaker 6: turned away. So I would like to say, and I
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Speaker 6: would hope that The Labor government is.
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Speaker 1: Concerned about this.
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Speaker 6: They have put one hundred and sixty million dollars into
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Speaker 6: new programs to try and tackle this. But with the
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Speaker 6: numbers that we've been reporting in the Telegraph for a
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Speaker 6: little while and then again the month of May, it
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Speaker 6: doesn't seem like it's having an impact just yet. And
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Speaker 6: we've had twenty three hundred people come in May. That's
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Speaker 6: not that far off from the highest on record, which
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Speaker 6: was back in twenty eighteen, which was twenty eight hundred.
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Speaker 6: So we're really heading into that direction where we could
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Speaker 6: be breaking an all time record.
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Speaker 1: And why wouldn't you give it a go, Jason, Why
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Speaker 1: not give it a go. They get in and no
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Speaker 1: one seems to get rid of them.
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Speaker 5: There's a good track record, particularly with the mob running
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Speaker 5: the country at the moment, given that the Immigration Minister
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Speaker 5: used to be an activist lawyer acting for this corner
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Speaker 5: of migrant in Australia. And I think this is the
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Speaker 5: problem with this issue in the minds of a lot
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Speaker 5: of Australians. They look at the grand total immigration intake
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Speaker 5: and even though you could argue from a policy perspective,
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Speaker 5: you shouldn't, a lot of Aussies are really frustrated with
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Speaker 5: what's going on in the country about how difficult life
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Speaker 5: is for them at the moment, a sense that their
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Speaker 5: government is not there for them at the second, and
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Speaker 5: to sort of see a little special treatment for a
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Speaker 5: little group here, you know, record immigration over here, and
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Speaker 5: you put all the things together and they become clouded
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Speaker 5: issues in the minds of a lot of people. And
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Speaker 5: I feel like saying, you know, this is a country.
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Speaker 5: I pay my way here and I get real nothing back.
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Speaker 5: And there is that undertone that is there. This is
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Speaker 5: going to be a big political issue for Labor, and
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Speaker 5: I think their reaction to that Telegraph story tells you plenty.
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Speaker 5: They don't want to talk about it because they know
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Speaker 5: it's best not spoken about. Whereas once by the time
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Speaker 5: Labor used to be the party that would say, yes,
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Speaker 5: that's us, we let these people in here, damn good
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Speaker 5: are we They're not saying that now because they know
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Speaker 5: that Australians at the second are really pissed off with
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Speaker 5: their government and their attitudes to immigration broadly speaking, and.
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Speaker 1: They saw what happened last time, of course, when they
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Speaker 1: had an almost open border policy when it came to
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Speaker 1: both people in particular and it didn't end well for them.
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Speaker 1: Now let's go to my favorite state of Victoria. Favorite
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Speaker 1: being a bit of an exaggeration, but their economy has
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Speaker 1: been absolutely destroyed, of course by successive leaders. Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 1: plunge the joint the economy into enormous step following COVID,
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Speaker 1: and they cannot get out of that. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: look at the taxes that they're levying down there or
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Speaker 1: not income tax. That's the I wish we Actually this
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Speaker 1: is a different point. We should be able to give
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Speaker 1: income tax back to the states, but we'll get into
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Speaker 1: that discussion another day. Lamb tax is what I was
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Speaker 1: going for. But just inter Allen, Now, hundreds of government
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Speaker 1: infrastructure projects not totally unusual, but the blowouts on hundreds
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Speaker 1: of projects are going to go into millions and millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars over budget. Now, as I say, Angira, look,
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Speaker 1: you kind of expect that of government projects, but for
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Speaker 1: a state that is so strapped for cash right now,
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Speaker 1: the only person they can get it out of is
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Speaker 1: the taxpayer. And if you're a Victorian taxpayer right now,
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Speaker 1: you'd be like, get me out of here.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean, this is not the first time we've
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Speaker 6: seen cost blowouts with the Victorian government. We do know
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Speaker 6: that state premiers like Chris Minz and Jacinta Allen have
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Speaker 6: been lobbying CANBRA for more money for some of these
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Speaker 6: infrastructure projects. I feel like a lot of these issues
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Speaker 6: are not going to go away anytime soon. I mean,
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Speaker 6: the constraints that we've seen in the construction industry are
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Speaker 6: not going to go away anytime soon. So Victoria's really
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Speaker 6: going to have to figure out a way to get
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Speaker 6: their economy in shape because these projects aren't going to
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Speaker 6: pay for themselves and there's only so much they can
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Speaker 6: get out of the Commonwealth.
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Speaker 1: Well, the most indebted jurisdiction in the country, and I
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Speaker 1: think Bill Capita, they're actually one of the most indebted
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Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, that sort of tells you
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Speaker 1: where things are, doesn't it.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 1: An unexpected article in The New York Times today, Hollywood
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Speaker 1: star George Clooney has weighed in on the electoral shambles
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Speaker 1: in the US sorry he's urged President Biden to withdraw.
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Speaker 1: He wrote, the Joe Biden I was with three weeks
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Speaker 1: ago at a fundraiser was not the Joe big effing
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Speaker 1: deal Biden of twenty ten He wasn't even the Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden of twenty twenty. He was the same man we
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Speaker 1: all witnessed at the debate. We are not going to
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Speaker 1: win in November with this president. This isn't only my opinion.
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Speaker 1: This is the opinion of every Senator and congress member
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Speaker 1: and governor who I have spoken with in private, every
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Speaker 1: single one, irrespective of what he or she is saying publicly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's lost all his friends in the world.
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Speaker 1: I've done now, the clooney factions.
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Speaker 5: Moved on him. He's done. It's a matter of time.
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Speaker 1: Really.
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Speaker 5: I mean, when you start losing the celebrities that bring
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Speaker 5: you the doshi in because their presence and their endorsement
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Speaker 5: means a lot to the imbeciles who think that celebrities
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Speaker 5: matter in the United States, it's finished. And when I
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Speaker 5: see that, I mean, if those quotes are accurate, or
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Speaker 5: the paraphrasing of them is even slightly close to the truth,
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Speaker 5: that is damning. Because he's been up the shirt with
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Speaker 5: Biden for so long, he has been so in the camp,
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Speaker 5: and for him to sort of be wavering is devastating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, most definitely, Angira. It's hard to see from
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Speaker 1: here with so many people within the party, his mates,
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Speaker 1: his donors, saying sorry, mister Biden, you're not up for
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Speaker 1: the job. For him to still be there in November
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Speaker 1: would be the most damaging thing he could do for
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Speaker 1: his own party, the Democrats.
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Speaker 6: I completely agree, it would be the most damaging thing
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Speaker 6: he can do for the Democrats and also for his
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Speaker 6: own political legacy. I mean, when you've got people, like
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Speaker 6: Jason said, some of your biggest backers starting to say
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Speaker 6: it's time to go. We really hope that the people
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Speaker 6: around him, his family and his friends are advising him
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Speaker 6: to listen. The Democrats have relied on celebrities in the
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Speaker 6: past for their campaign, and to have someone like George
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Speaker 6: Clooney put it in such simple and such blunt terms
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Speaker 6: really should be sending alarm bells.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Well, not that he's listening to them,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's sending a live mappey to someone.
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Speaker 5: I hope he doesn't listen to them.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be magnificent? It will be magnificent A way
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Speaker 1: to watch the way it all unfolds. Jason Morrison and
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Speaker 1: Yira Baradwaj, thank you so much for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: Well as I'm sure you know. World leaders are in
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Speaker 1: Washington for NATO's seventy fifth annual Summit, and Ukraine is
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest topics being discussed. Joe Biden announced
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Speaker 1: that NATO would be committing five new strategic air defense
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Speaker 1: systems to Ukraine, and they've now brought China into the mix,
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Speaker 1: labeling it a decisive enabler of Russia's war against Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: NATO's Secretary General John Stoltenberg said that the message sent
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Speaker 1: from NATO from this summit is very strong and very clear,
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Speaker 1: and we are clearly defining China's responsibility when it comes
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Speaker 1: to enabling Russia's war. NATO leaders urged China to cease
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Speaker 1: all material and political support to Russia's war. Joining me
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Speaker 1: now is Liberal MP Andrew Wallace, Andrew, thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining me. Look, something tells me that China ain't going
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Speaker 1: to take too much notice of what NATO tells them.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, look, Caleb, thanks for having me on
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Speaker 8: the show. But it's incredibly important that the world leaders,
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Speaker 8: like leaders from NATO, are pressing the case against China's
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Speaker 8: involvement in the Ukraine war. Now it is very clear
21:28
Speaker 8: that China is acting as a decisive enabler in providing
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Speaker 8: assistance to Ukraine, both in military support and in also
21:39
Speaker 8: in their supply chains for re ements. So that's a
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Speaker 8: real concern and it's something that NATO is very very
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Speaker 8: clearly pushing back on today.
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Speaker 1: Well they should be, but I suppose the question is
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Speaker 1: how much can you expect any of this to change.
21:58
Speaker 1: China and Russia have been soling up to each other
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Speaker 1: for a long time, and as much as we or
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Speaker 1: the more that we rightly push back against Russia, it
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Speaker 1: only sort of tends to embolden the two countries. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you tell China or Russia what to do, they tend
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Speaker 1: to do the exact opposite. That's not to say that
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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be speaking out, but it feels a bit
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Speaker 1: like you're whistling in the wind sometimes.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, it's very important that Western countries are
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Speaker 8: defending the rules based order. We know that the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 8: European countries, and of course the United States are providing
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Speaker 8: material support to Ukraine, whilst the Australian government's support of
22:42
Speaker 8: Ukraine has to be said, has been utterly disappointing since
22:47
Speaker 8: Labor came to power. Now when the Coalision was in government,
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Speaker 8: we were the largest non NATO contributor to the Ukraine
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Speaker 8: war efort. And since then the Australian government has dropped
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Speaker 8: right down that ladder board in their support. You know, effectively,
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Speaker 8: what we've been doing since the change of government is,
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Speaker 8: you know, Richard Marles has been going out the back
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Speaker 8: into the back garage and seeing what sort of surplus
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Speaker 8: stock the ADF has got and then offering it to Ukraine.
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Speaker 8: It's really been utterly pathetic. As pathetic as it has
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Speaker 8: been in relation to pushing back against the Hooties and
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Speaker 8: the Red Sea, where we haven't even sent a ship.
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Speaker 8: All we did was send six ADF officers.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know why we didn't send a ship
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Speaker 1: to the Red Seeds because we don't have one to
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Speaker 1: send basically, which is an indust we do.
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Speaker 7: We just chose not to.
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Speaker 8: It's not a matter of us not having a surface
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Speaker 8: ship to be able to send. The decision was made
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Speaker 8: not to send one. And that's perhaps even more telling.
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Speaker 1: Why do you believe that Labor has reduced its support
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Speaker 1: for Ukraine.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, look, that's a question that you'd probably
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Speaker 8: be best to ask the Prime Minister. It absolutely beggars
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Speaker 8: belief why Anthony Albanizi has not demonstrated greater support for Ukraine.
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Speaker 8: You know, we've seen absolute utter weakness from this Prime
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Speaker 8: ministry in relation to the war in the Middle East,
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Speaker 8: in the support for Israel as a result of what
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Speaker 8: happened on October seven. But what's happening also, you know,
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Speaker 8: the world's attention has been drawn into the Middle East,
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Speaker 8: and I understand that, but we can't forget what's happening
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Speaker 8: in Europe. It's the first land based war in Europe
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Speaker 8: since the Balkans, and certainly one of the most serious
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Speaker 8: since the end of World War Two. So you know,
24:52
Speaker 8: we've got a wark in chew Gum here. At the
24:54
Speaker 8: same time, we have a very very serious conflict in Europe,
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Speaker 8: we have a an emerging greater conflict in the Middle East,
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Speaker 8: particularly in the north of Israel and Lebanon, and of
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Speaker 8: course the tensions are continuing to rise in the South
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Speaker 8: China Sea and in and around Taiwan. We've seen once
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Speaker 8: again People's Liberation Army Air Force taking belligerent action in
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Speaker 8: the Taiwan and he's straight just very recently.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Andrew Wallace, thank you for your time well coming up.
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Speaker 1: Economists are at odds over the RBA's next move. Plus
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton responds to Malcolm Turnbull labeling him a thug.
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Speaker 1: All of that after the break, Welcome back Caleb Bond
25:39
Speaker 1: in for Shari this week. Well, we're fewer than four
25:41
Speaker 1: weeks away from the Reserve banks next rates announcement. Of
25:45
Speaker 1: course people are hanging on for that. The federal Government's
25:48
Speaker 1: definitely hanging on for it. But economists are at odds
25:51
Speaker 1: over whether the RBA should increase the cash rate, and
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Speaker 1: given Australia is the only G ten nation or inflation
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Speaker 1: has increased since December, one view further interest rate hikes
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Speaker 1: is a real possibility. Joining me now to discuss is
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Speaker 1: Judo Bank's chief economic advisor, Warren Hogan warrant. Which side
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Speaker 1: of the fence do you fall on? We need it
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Speaker 1: or we don't need it? And then after that, will
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Speaker 1: we get it or won't we get it? Yeah?
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Speaker 7: I think we do need it because the risk here
26:19
Speaker 7: is that we let inflation get away from us. So
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Speaker 7: we do not want to get into a situation in
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Speaker 7: the next couple of years like we did in the
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Speaker 7: late eighties where we're chasing it and rates have to
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Speaker 7: go up a lot. We know where that ends, and
26:30
Speaker 7: that is in a genuine bad recession. So it's all
26:33
Speaker 7: about insurance. And the reality is, although we have seen
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Speaker 7: a lot of increases in interest rates four hundred and
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Speaker 7: twenty five basis points, the real interest rate interest rate
26:43
Speaker 7: minus inflation is only just above zero. You know, we've
26:47
Speaker 7: only just got that cash rate above the inflation rate,
26:49
Speaker 7: and history shows that not only is that level probably
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Speaker 7: inflationary in itself, it certainly doesn't get rid of inflation.
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Speaker 7: So we're running a lot of risk, and the result
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Speaker 7: Bank knows it. But they were hoping that that big
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Speaker 7: lift in the cash right would have such a big
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Speaker 7: effect on all these variable mortgage rates and really hurt
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Speaker 7: the economy that they would get the job done. But
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Speaker 7: now we're two years down the track. The economy is
27:12
Speaker 7: a lot softer, the consumers a lot softer, but the
27:14
Speaker 7: economy is actually holding up pretty well. So we've got
27:17
Speaker 7: to address that risk. In my view, I think it's
27:20
Speaker 7: just too much risk to bear because one thing we've
27:22
Speaker 7: got to avoid it all costs is that interest rate
27:24
Speaker 7: going up towards six percent, because we're not going to
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Speaker 7: get anyhere any of the seventeen percent of the late eighty. Yes,
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Speaker 7: but we've got to not let that thing get away
27:31
Speaker 7: from us because that will be really disruptive.
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Speaker 1: How do you actually sell that message to homeowners and
27:36
Speaker 1: investors though, because I mean, you know a lot of
27:38
Speaker 1: people are really feeling the pinch right now, and it's like, well,
27:41
Speaker 1: you need another interest rate rise and potentially another one
27:44
Speaker 1: after that. People don't want to swallow it, and the
27:47
Speaker 1: federal government's crossing all of its appendages that doesn't happen.
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Speaker 7: So the federal government, I think the problem has been
27:53
Speaker 7: that they, like many people, have underestimated the strength of
27:56
Speaker 7: the economy and the severity of the inflation. So if
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Speaker 7: they don't know on this two years ago, they might
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Speaker 7: have had different tactics and strategies, particularly this fiscal stimulus
28:05
Speaker 7: that we've seen this year in terms of the broader
28:08
Speaker 7: community that we can't get away from it. I mean,
28:10
Speaker 7: always low income earners or first time buyers to get
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Speaker 7: hit when rates go up, but we've got a new cohort,
28:16
Speaker 7: which is people who actually have pretty good incomes, probably
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Speaker 7: two of them, but they've got massive mortgages and they
28:20
Speaker 7: took those out when rates were low, and we thought,
28:23
Speaker 7: on guidance from the RBA that they'd stay low. And
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Speaker 7: they're the ones, I think, who are the new sort
28:28
Speaker 7: of part of this that are really screaming blue murder
28:30
Speaker 7: because they're up for thousands a month. So the reality
28:35
Speaker 7: is we cannot set our monetary policy for a few people,
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Speaker 7: and whenever we take them all weage do any financial obligation.
28:42
Speaker 7: We've got to sort of understand the risk.
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Speaker 3: Now.
28:44
Speaker 7: Sure, no one could have seen the biggest inflation of
28:46
Speaker 7: fifty years after the lowest interest rates ever, but that's
28:50
Speaker 7: a reality we have to bear. And if we try
28:52
Speaker 7: and shirk that and get away from that, then we're
28:55
Speaker 7: going to just create a bigger problem for the whole place.
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Speaker 1: What's the risk of recession do you think? I mean,
28:59
Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, it's hard to come
29:01
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that if it weren't for high levels
29:04
Speaker 1: of migration, we would effectively be in recession. We are
29:07
Speaker 1: effectively in recession. We're just propping the numbers up to
29:11
Speaker 1: make the economy look better.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's not propping it up, but it is
29:15
Speaker 7: exactly right. I mean, it's real, it's out there, the
29:17
Speaker 7: people are here, it's causing housing shortages and all sorts
29:20
Speaker 7: of things. So I mean, the reality is the idea
29:23
Speaker 7: of recession being two quarters of negative GDP is very
29:27
Speaker 7: likely because we're at capacity. We can't actually grow that much.
29:30
Speaker 7: We've got super low unemployment. But a technical recession isn't
29:35
Speaker 7: there to be fit. I mean, America had a technical
29:36
Speaker 7: recession eight eight months ago, but it was never recorded
29:39
Speaker 7: as a recession because they're more sophisticated in the way
29:41
Speaker 7: they think about it. So politically it's a nightmare because
29:44
Speaker 7: those two quarters will still register on the front pages.
29:47
Speaker 7: But what we really need to be worried about, as
29:49
Speaker 7: I said, is the bad recession. And I think the
29:53
Speaker 7: two rate hikes that I'm forecasting is all about keeping
29:55
Speaker 7: us on a sustainable path and avoiding that bad recession.
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Speaker 7: And the problem or the fear I have is we
30:02
Speaker 7: sort of get scared of a little recession or a
30:05
Speaker 7: technical recession, but we create the situation we get a
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Speaker 7: bad one. So look, is we're going to get a
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Speaker 7: technical I think there's a it's fifty to fifty in
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Speaker 7: the next twelve months. But are we going to get
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Speaker 7: a bad recession? I don't think we are, because we
30:16
Speaker 7: do have the population. We're actually a pretty solid economy
30:20
Speaker 7: and as long as we don't let this inflation get
30:22
Speaker 7: away from us, and I think we can avoid that.
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Speaker 1: I think the other thing, of course, on people's income
30:26
Speaker 1: their minds at the moment is income right, And it's
30:28
Speaker 1: an interesting study by the Productivity Commission out now that's
30:32
Speaker 1: showing that Australians have had an easier time moving up
30:36
Speaker 1: the income ladder than people in the US and France
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Speaker 1: and the UK, et cetera. What's the go there.
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Speaker 7: So this is a great report. I haven't read it
30:44
Speaker 7: in detail, confairso we'll try to that. They do great work,
30:47
Speaker 7: and this looks like a piece of good work, and
30:50
Speaker 7: it's all about what this country is. We try to
30:51
Speaker 7: get away from that British class system and give people mobility,
30:54
Speaker 7: and we largely did that in the last hundred years.
30:56
Speaker 7: And this is showing that that over the last fifty years,
30:59
Speaker 7: each generation can not only improve on their parents, but
31:02
Speaker 7: also if you come from low income, there's a chance
31:04
Speaker 7: you can get out of it, and so on and
31:06
Speaker 7: so forth. But the warning sign here is that more
31:09
Speaker 7: recently that's not showing up as much. And of course
31:12
Speaker 7: we all know right now there's a massive intergenerational issue
31:14
Speaker 7: and it's actually not about income. It's about the balance
31:16
Speaker 7: between income and assets on residential property housing. So I
31:20
Speaker 7: think this is a really important topic and we've got
31:22
Speaker 7: to think about it broadly. But it's a real stress point.
31:25
Speaker 7: The system will sort itself out, but we're already seeing,
31:28
Speaker 7: you know, typically how do you deal with any generation.
31:30
Speaker 7: It's the point of death, I inheritance, but we're looking
31:32
Speaker 7: at it happening earlier, banker, mum and dad, all sorts
31:35
Speaker 7: of things. So it's a really important social and economic
31:38
Speaker 7: issue because there's a huge amount of our wealth sitting
31:40
Speaker 7: with people over sixty years old, correct, And there's a
31:42
Speaker 7: lot of people over sixty years old.
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Speaker 1: Now and more of them coming along as well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Larren Hogan, thank you so much for your time.
31:48
Speaker 7: Thank you well.
31:49
Speaker 1: Coming up, the senior labor in p's calling out their
31:51
Speaker 1: own for lashing the coalition's huclear plan, but the Work
31:55
Speaker 1: Council encouraging his residents to become vegetarians. I told you
31:59
Speaker 1: about it before. We'll get into it a little further
32:01
Speaker 1: all after the break, Ah, dearie me. He's the ghost
32:09
Speaker 1: of Prime Minister's past almost six years after he left office,
32:12
Speaker 1: Malcolm turnb but of course still harping on about his
32:16
Speaker 1: political enemies, sledging as we saw earlier this week his
32:19
Speaker 1: former Liberal rivals.
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Speaker 4: What sort of prime minister will Peter Dutton make.
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Speaker 9: If he wins?
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Speaker 5: I think that's something we should contemplate with dread.
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Speaker 4: Really, Folly's a thug.
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Speaker 1: You can just feel the venom that he's spitting, can't you. Well.
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Speaker 1: Speaking to Radio Today, Peter Dutton gracefully brushed off the comment,
32:43
Speaker 1: saying that the former Prime minister was only diminishing his
32:46
Speaker 1: own legacy.
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Speaker 8: I just think people can see through it and I
32:52
Speaker 8: wish him the best. I think he diminishes himself by
32:55
Speaker 8: making his comments.
32:56
Speaker 7: Malcolm, he's got an act to grind.
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Speaker 1: I think it's sad joining me now our National Senator
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Speaker 1: Matt Kennavan and Scarne News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Matt, why
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Speaker 1: is Malcolm still in the party.
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Speaker 10: Well, look, it's a matter for the news of Osibral party.
33:12
Speaker 10: I think through Malcolm's actions it's almost like he wants
33:16
Speaker 10: them to kick him out, and so maybe it's best
33:20
Speaker 10: not to give him what he wants right now. Look,
33:24
Speaker 10: I don't think it matters all that much. I don't
33:27
Speaker 10: think the views of Malcolm Turnbull about the colleagues that
33:31
Speaker 10: he has a lot of bitterness about changes anyone's votes
33:35
Speaker 10: or thoughts about Australian politics. It is I think Peter
33:39
Speaker 10: Dutton summed it up very correctly. It is all just
33:42
Speaker 10: a little sad and perhaps just a lesson for the
33:45
Speaker 10: rest of us how not to get consumed by bitterness
33:49
Speaker 10: in life. And I'm sure all of us have had
33:52
Speaker 10: things done wrong to us over time. And the best
33:56
Speaker 10: lesson when you compare people like Malcolm chewed up by
33:59
Speaker 10: business and others that get over it. The best lisson
34:01
Speaker 10: is to get over it, learn to forgive and get
34:04
Speaker 10: on with your life.
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Speaker 1: And of course the funniest thing Gary is that two
34:08
Speaker 1: was Turnbull himself who once described Tony Ebbitt and Kevin
34:12
Speaker 1: radd as miserable ghosts. I mean he embodies the term.
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Speaker 4: Well, I guess so, but look I declare I'm fully
34:21
Speaker 4: on team Dutton. Dutton. Peter Dutton is a proper Mensian liberal.
34:26
Speaker 4: He believes in having a full range of people there.
34:28
Speaker 4: But you know, the right to speak out often comes
34:31
Speaker 4: with the responsibility of taking actions for it. I remember
34:33
Speaker 4: when Malcolm came into the party room for the very
34:35
Speaker 4: first time in twenty oh four. He got up in
34:39
Speaker 4: the party room and said, I don't need a government
34:41
Speaker 4: provided car, a parliamentary provided car, because I have nine cars.
34:44
Speaker 4: So can we have taxi vouchers instead? So he cashed
34:47
Speaker 4: in his electric car for taxi vouchers. Now, I think
34:50
Speaker 4: this is a story not often told. I've breached the
34:52
Speaker 4: sanctity of the Liberal Party Federal Parliamentary room. But nevertheless,
34:57
Speaker 4: that's what he said, and that left the last thing
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Speaker 4: impression on me. And I don't think Malcolm's left the
35:03
Speaker 4: lasting impression. That's positive with many other people. But anyway,
35:06
Speaker 4: good luck there. I'm with Matt. Can I have you
35:07
Speaker 4: a bitiness, Malcolm and enjoy your investments and get on
35:11
Speaker 4: with life?
35:11
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, you know, nine cars aren't that much used
35:13
Speaker 1: to you when you've been on the sauce? Are they?
35:15
Speaker 1: But cap judges, though they're very good after a long lunch. Now,
35:20
Speaker 1: we saw the reaction of some labor MPs after, of course,
35:23
Speaker 1: some Dutton unveiled his nuclear policy, all these three eyed koalas,
35:28
Speaker 1: all this this weird sort of stuff. And there are
35:30
Speaker 1: some senior labor MP's that are doing what they can
35:33
Speaker 1: to keep their party from going astray. They've been urging
35:37
Speaker 1: their colleagues to keep the focus on the cost of
35:39
Speaker 1: living and not get caught up in these silly scare campaigns,
35:43
Speaker 1: all these memes that we saw as a few of
35:46
Speaker 1: them on the screen. There now Graham Perrot and he
35:50
Speaker 1: hit back. He said, it's not something to joke about,
35:52
Speaker 1: because I think you can't be serious about cost of
35:54
Speaker 1: living if you're joking about nuclear power. Power is a
35:58
Speaker 1: serious issue for people. Another MP Labor in p said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not one of those who's running the scare campaign
36:04
Speaker 1: against it. I'm not doing any of the silly Facebook
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Speaker 1: stuff or anything like that. It's a matter of respect.
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Speaker 1: People want to have a sensible discussion about it. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think that's quite right, Matt. But many of course
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Speaker 1: in the opposition just leaped to the opportunity to make
36:22
Speaker 1: fun of it all. There's no better way, I think,
36:25
Speaker 1: to actually convince people that nuclear energy is good than
36:28
Speaker 1: to keep running the three yard Koala line. Clearly some
36:31
Speaker 1: people in the Labor Party understand that. Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Look, I mean, I'm I like to have a laugh
36:38
Speaker 10: and I think life's too short not to laugh. So
36:41
Speaker 10: I'm not against some sort of humor. I kind of
36:45
Speaker 10: love memes online that they're very funny sometimes, But that's
36:48
Speaker 10: my problem with these ones. They're not funny. The nineteen
36:52
Speaker 10: nineties wants their jokes back, right, These were microwaved jokes.
36:58
Speaker 10: Come from the symptoms in the nineteen nineties and get
37:01
Speaker 10: some original material, guys. That's the problem with them. It's
37:05
Speaker 10: not cutting edge, it's not original, and they didn't add anything.
37:08
Speaker 10: A funny political cartoon or meme can add something to
37:13
Speaker 10: the debate. A picture tells a thousand words, but these didn't.
37:16
Speaker 10: These didn't. They were hopeless and it just but maybe
37:18
Speaker 10: that does show how empty the Labor Party's arguments against
37:22
Speaker 10: nuclear are we are getting and the new Labor Party
37:25
Speaker 10: is supporting the provision of multiple nuclear submarines, nuclear powered submarines,
37:31
Speaker 10: but then at the same time saying or trying to
37:34
Speaker 10: say that having the same type of reactors on shore
37:37
Speaker 10: is going to lead to death and destruction is absolutely absurd,
37:41
Speaker 10: and that's why their jokes fell flat.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's that's the point, Gary, is that
37:45
Speaker 1: the reason there's nothing new in these these silly memes
37:48
Speaker 1: and jokes is because they don't have anything. They don't
37:50
Speaker 1: have an argument.
37:53
Speaker 4: Now, they know it's all pretty lazy politics. But look,
37:55
Speaker 4: let's face it, all of our swimmers and athletes are
37:58
Speaker 4: about the head to Paris to Peter and Olympics. Paris
38:01
Speaker 4: is powered by nucleus. Seventy percent of its electrocy comes
38:04
Speaker 4: from there. And I don't know about three eyed Frenchmen,
38:06
Speaker 4: but they're pretty one eyed the French. And I've got
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Speaker 4: to say to you that the Labor Party's sense of
38:12
Speaker 4: humor is juvenile. It's the sort of stuff you would
38:14
Speaker 4: expect from university politics. And unfortunately, too many in politics
38:19
Speaker 4: these days are people who haven't graduated in an emotional
38:23
Speaker 4: sense from the stupid things they did at university. And
38:27
Speaker 4: I'm going to say that's in both Team Blue and
38:29
Speaker 4: Team Red. There's too many people who practice juvenile university
38:33
Speaker 4: style politics. They think it's funny. Well, going to amuse yourself.
38:36
Speaker 4: In another way, Australians are suffering right now that heat
38:39
Speaker 4: or eat question, many older Australians in particular asking they
38:44
Speaker 4: want a solution to it, and so the idea of
38:47
Speaker 4: nuclear power. Nineteen out of the twenty countries in the
38:50
Speaker 4: G twenty have got it. I can't see why Australia
38:52
Speaker 4: can't have it. Is it going to happen tomorrow? No,
38:55
Speaker 4: but I think it's going to be part of the mix,
38:56
Speaker 4: and it's a sensible conversation. Peter Dutton's promoted. The Labor
39:00
Speaker 4: Party hasn't met it with a sensible response.
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll have some three ied Olympians when they
39:06
Speaker 1: come back, all the better to see you with. I
39:08
Speaker 1: suppose we've just what we're on energy and power. So
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Speaker 1: you've got this green rating system that's been designed by
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Speaker 1: the government. You know it will help us reach net zero,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to reject the gas industry. Here was
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's response today. What we've announced is a
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Speaker 1: future gas strategy.
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Speaker 2: Well, we think that gas has an important role to
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Speaker 2: play in firming capacity for renewables.
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Speaker 1: Does the left hand know what the right hand is doing? Matter?
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Speaker 1: Because the PM said that gas is really important to
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Speaker 1: get to net zero and then they put out a
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Speaker 1: document saying gas not so good after all.
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Speaker 10: Well, it just shows that the joke's on us. The
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Speaker 10: joke is all on us with our higher power prices
39:55
Speaker 10: and also with this evening's news that three thousand jobs
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Speaker 10: are being lost in our nickel into because we are not,
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Speaker 10: because we are denying ourselves the use of cheap energy sources.
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Speaker 10: We are losing those three thousand jobs to Indonesia, who
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Speaker 10: over the last two years has increased their use of
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Speaker 10: coal fired power by fifty seven percent. In two years,
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Speaker 10: it's gone up fifty seven percent, and they're using that
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Speaker 10: cul fired power to undercut our nickel industry go at
40:21
Speaker 10: lower prices, and now jobs are being lost in this country.
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Speaker 10: So it's about time we get off this net zero chain,
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Speaker 10: that train that clearly Indonesia's not on. They're not doing that,
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Speaker 10: China's not doing that, Indonesia's not doing that. We're bat
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Speaker 10: time we protect our own jobs and protect our own
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Speaker 10: country and also get power process down for austrains. We
40:37
Speaker 10: should be using gas, should be using cold too, and
40:39
Speaker 10: of course uranium. Use it all to bring down power process.
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Speaker 1: Now Gary before we go, I talked at the top
40:45
Speaker 1: of the show about the fact that our council in
40:47
Speaker 1: Melbourne has put out this climate change plan thing and
40:52
Speaker 1: they're pushing their residents to switch to a vegetarian diet,
40:56
Speaker 1: even though at the meeting before they all voted unanimously
40:59
Speaker 1: just bought this thing. They all ate to roast beef,
41:03
Speaker 1: I mean Gary, for heaven's sake, whatever happened to Rhodes
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Speaker 1: rates and rubbish? Now they say all the residents have
41:10
Speaker 1: to go then Joe.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look they're just obviously run out of things to do.
41:16
Speaker 4: And if you live in your a council, good luck.
41:19
Speaker 4: I say something to chew over there. But look, these
41:22
Speaker 4: people have really lost the plot every time they raised
41:26
Speaker 4: this sort of stuff. You know, the reality is Australian farmers,
41:29
Speaker 4: the food and fiber we produce, we feed you know,
41:32
Speaker 4: a couple of hundred million people a year from our
41:34
Speaker 4: production if we took the price, the costs structures out
41:38
Speaker 4: of it, and those three thousand jobs being lost out
41:41
Speaker 4: of the nickel industry also as a result of all
41:43
Speaker 4: the forms and fees and processes and all the silvy
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Speaker 4: requirements that the green the green woke international elites have
41:49
Speaker 4: imposed upon us. I think I heard GENA Rehnhardt say
41:52
Speaker 4: last year four nine hundred and fifty forms they had
41:55
Speaker 4: to fill in to open up that massive roy Hill
41:58
Speaker 4: iron are mine the biggest iron ore state of Australia.
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Speaker 4: We are killing ourselves on paperwork. We're killing ourselves and
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Speaker 4: all this woke rubbish and the Era Council will conceit itself.
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Speaker 4: But if I was living in the Ara Council, I'd
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Speaker 4: move to the next one.
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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, if I was living in the Arra Council,
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Speaker 1: I'd be going to buy the biggest stake I could find.
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Speaker 1: Eric and Gary Hardgrave, Matt Canaban facing so much for
42:20
Speaker 1: your time, dear in me all right. Coming up after
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Speaker 1: the break, we'll talk to Dave Sharma about the troubling
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Speaker 1: calls from a prominent activist that's seen him referred to
42:32
Speaker 1: a state and federal police, plus the Prime Minister's tactics
42:36
Speaker 1: exposed as he enters campaign mode. Is he going to
42:38
Speaker 1: call an early election? That's up for the break. Well, exclusive
42:45
Speaker 1: yarn from our own Caroline Marcus, who I can see
42:48
Speaker 1: sitting just across the way here join her on Paul
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Speaker 1: Murray Live. Shortly, a leading pro Palestinian activist has been
42:55
Speaker 1: referred to both federal and state police after calling for
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Speaker 1: an armed resistance death to America outside the US consulate
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne on the fourth of July, which of course
43:06
Speaker 1: is Independence Day in the US. Sky News exclusively obtained
43:10
Speaker 1: fresh vision of the incident.
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Speaker 10: We believe in the resistance.
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Speaker 7: We're going to start the arm resistance, and we've got
43:16
Speaker 7: to go back and celebrate the fair of dark colony.
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Speaker 1: It's our lie very Will believed their resistance. Joining me
43:24
Speaker 1: now to discuss Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave, I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is what happens when you have a weak response
43:31
Speaker 1: from the government and everyone else. We shouldn't be surprised.
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Speaker 9: No, we shouldn't be, Caleb. It's unfortunate, but that's a
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Speaker 9: very true statement. I mean, this individual, you know, calling
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Speaker 9: for armed resistance, protesting outside the US consulate, involved in
43:48
Speaker 9: some of the university encampments, involved in other matters of
43:52
Speaker 9: interest to the courts and the police. You know, we
43:56
Speaker 9: should not be tolerating this in Australia. And it's been
43:59
Speaker 9: allowed to go on for far too long since the
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Speaker 9: seventh of October. A climate of permissiveness, a free license
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Speaker 9: given to people who are calling for death to other
44:08
Speaker 9: people calling for armed resistance, calling for violent struggle, calling
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Speaker 9: for ghad, whatever it might be, it has no place
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Speaker 9: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: And of course we had the announcement this week of
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Speaker 1: a Special Envoy on anti Semitism, and I mean, you know, great,
44:22
Speaker 1: it's come along some nine months after the war between
44:26
Speaker 1: Israel and Gaza started. But you know how much would
44:29
Speaker 1: that have done to stop something like this? I don't know.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think, you know, I welcome the appointment of
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Speaker 9: a special envoy, and I think it's come far too late,
44:41
Speaker 9: as you point out, but it can't be used as
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Speaker 9: an excuse for the advocation of leadership by Prime Minister
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Speaker 9: Anthony Albanesi and his senior ministers. And too often we've
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Speaker 9: seen from them, and from Albanesi and from his senior
44:53
Speaker 9: leadership team, an attempt to sort of speak out of
44:56
Speaker 9: both sides of their mouth on this issue. We've had
44:59
Speaker 9: you know, Ja Sinclaire saying that phrasers like from the
45:02
Speaker 9: river to the sea mean different things to different people. No,
45:04
Speaker 9: they don't. The meaning of that is very clear. We've
45:07
Speaker 9: had other senior labor front benches dog whistling about genocide
45:11
Speaker 9: and war crimes and things like that. You know, this
45:15
Speaker 9: government has really tried to be all things to warll
45:17
Speaker 9: people on this issue, rather than taking a clear moral stand,
45:21
Speaker 9: rather than standing up for Australian values, and in many respects,
45:24
Speaker 9: I mean, their own internal divisions show that they're reaping
45:27
Speaker 9: what they saw from that approach that they've taken.
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Speaker 1: Now the federal government, the labor parties ramping up campaigning
45:35
Speaker 1: in Queensland at the moment you saw the Prime Minister
45:37
Speaker 1: out and about today making some candidate announcements etc. But
45:41
Speaker 1: it's interesting if you have a look at some of
45:43
Speaker 1: the colors you see there of what they've put on
45:46
Speaker 1: social media, that there's just curiously no sign of red anywhere.
45:51
Speaker 1: In fact, the colors that they using, yellow and blue
45:54
Speaker 1: are used by the LNP in Queensland. Strange, isn't it, Dave.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was struck by that. I mean, there's no
46:03
Speaker 9: Labor logo, there's no signature Labor red. The colors that
46:08
Speaker 9: are being used are a sort of royal blue, which
46:10
Speaker 9: is the traditional liberal color, and then an orange which
46:12
Speaker 9: is part of the LMP color kit in Queensland. It's
46:16
Speaker 9: almost as if they don't want a campaign as Labor candidates.
46:19
Speaker 9: Is quite an odd choice of colors and branding, and
46:24
Speaker 9: it suggests to me that at least in Queensland, they
46:26
Speaker 9: know that the Labor brand is very much on the
46:29
Speaker 9: nose and they're trying to distance themselves and the candidates
46:32
Speaker 9: probably are as much as possible. I mean, we may
46:34
Speaker 9: well never see these candidates photograph with Anthony Albanesi. Again,
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Speaker 9: we should save this one for the archive.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. It's interesting
46:41
Speaker 1: that they've sort of distanced themselves from the Labor branding,
46:44
Speaker 1: but they've actually chosen to get the Prime Minister involved.
46:47
Speaker 1: They must think that some kind of positive I'm somewhat
46:50
Speaker 1: surprised by that.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think they're probably getting the obligatory photo now
46:57
Speaker 9: early before a campaign's underway. If the question is asked,
47:01
Speaker 9: why is Anthony Albanize he not campaigned for you? I
47:04
Speaker 9: can say he was here several months ago, but I
47:06
Speaker 9: suspect we won't see him in much campaign material or
47:09
Speaker 9: campaign footage once the election proper is ontway. This is
47:12
Speaker 9: a well known inoculation tactic.
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Speaker 1: Wham bam, thank you, ma'am.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 1: I spoke about this earlier in the program. But Labor
47:20
Speaker 1: is becoming, of course, increasingly worried about a likely surge
47:23
Speaker 1: of Muslim votes, particularly in Western Sydney, independent candidates threatening
47:29
Speaker 1: key seats. You've got this, the Muslim vote group that
47:34
Speaker 1: has set up. We tooked about that earlier in the program.
47:37
Speaker 1: How much of a threat. Do you think that actually
47:39
Speaker 1: is and is it possible that that could sway labor
47:42
Speaker 1: policy in any way.
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Speaker 9: Look, I'd say two things about this. Firstly, the idea
47:50
Speaker 9: of a political party that represents a religious community is not,
47:55
Speaker 9: in and of itself necessarily novel. But the idea that
47:58
Speaker 9: political party would campaign on only one issue, which is
48:02
Speaker 9: a foreign policy issue and which is about changing Australia's
48:05
Speaker 9: foreign policy, I think is unprecedented. And I think if
48:08
Speaker 9: we had any other component of Australian society setting up
48:12
Speaker 9: a political party to campaign not to look after the
48:15
Speaker 9: interests of that community in Australia, not to look after
48:18
Speaker 9: their welfare or their access to opportunity or their equality
48:21
Speaker 9: before the law, but to campaign for a foreign policy change,
48:25
Speaker 9: I think we take a pretty skeptical and suspicious view
48:29
Speaker 9: of it, and I worry about that this is what
48:32
Speaker 9: this party is seeking to do, I think for labor,
48:35
Speaker 9: I mean, I think, look what it does. And I
48:38
Speaker 9: don't want to be a commentator on their own internal politics,
48:40
Speaker 9: but I think it shows you that their attempts to
48:44
Speaker 9: straddle these divisions rather than taking a clear position on
48:47
Speaker 9: the basis of morality. After the seventh of October terrorist
48:50
Speaker 9: attacks and frankly on the basis of Australia.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, David, I'm cutting. I'm cutting into James Morrow's
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Speaker 1: time here, Dave Shama, thank you for joining me, Thank
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Speaker 1: you for joining me this week. Up next James Morrow
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Speaker 1: with Paul Murray Life