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Sharri | 28 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry, Thanks Andrew Good Evening Tonight, Angus Taylor caught out
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Speaker 2: calling Anthony Albanesi an arrogant prick in an off mic
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Speaker 2: moment in Parliament and the Prime Minister is outraged. Plus
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Speaker 2: an extraordinary breakdown over the ISIS linked cohort with the
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Speaker 2: Albanese government forced to admit New South Wales asked for
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Speaker 2: help and may never have received an answer.
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Speaker 3: More on that shortly.
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Speaker 2: Labour Premier Roger Cook is the latest to speak up
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Speaker 2: about Labour's tax overhaul as the government tries to ram
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Speaker 2: it through Parliament, and New South Wales Police Minister Yasmin
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Speaker 2: Catley under serious pressure over the disbanding of Operation Shelter
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Speaker 2: before the Bondai attack. But first tonight, the Albanzi government
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Speaker 2: is barging ahead with its highly contentious tax changes, rushing
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Speaker 2: the law into the House before any proper consultation has
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Speaker 2: taken place. They're trying to ram through this legislation despite
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Speaker 2: assuring business that they're still talking. This is an absolute
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Speaker 2: fass on precisely the same day that the laws were
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Speaker 2: introduced to the Parliament.
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Speaker 4: This is the first step in the most ambitious tax
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Speaker 4: reform package for a quarter of a century.
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Speaker 2: Here's a lineup of ministers trying to say there will
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Speaker 2: be changes.
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Speaker 5: Tax policy is never finished done in its first go.
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Speaker 5: I think the GST. There was seven different tax bills
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Speaker 5: to bring in the GST in one year. So this
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Speaker 5: is an ongoing process.
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Speaker 1: Well, this will be done in stages.
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Speaker 6: The first bill gets introduced today, but there will be
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Speaker 6: a series of bills to implement these reforms, as there
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Speaker 6: always is with big tax reforms.
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Speaker 7: There's always a number of tax law amendment bills, as
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Speaker 7: you know, and so where there is fine tuning to
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Speaker 7: be done. As the Treasurer said from the beginning, those
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Speaker 7: consultations are ongoing and they'll appear in subsequent tax law
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Speaker 7: amendment bills.
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Speaker 2: And Treasurer Jim Chalmers even outlined the list of things
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Speaker 2: that were wrong with his own legislation.
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Speaker 4: Further consideration will also be given to a range of
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Speaker 4: specific details such as interactions with attribution, managed investment trusts,
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Speaker 4: tax consolidation, residency changes, along with other relevant issues, and
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Speaker 4: we're appropriate these details will be finalized in subsequent legislation
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Speaker 4: following consultation. Debuty Speaker, we know that these changes are contentious.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, contentious is one word for it. Well, as James
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Speaker 2: Patterson says, they've admitted they are major flaws, so why
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Speaker 2: rush the legislation through?
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Speaker 8: Even they admit their own legislation is so flawed that
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Speaker 8: they will have to fix it in the future. Consultation
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Speaker 8: should have been done before the budget, not afterwards, and
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Speaker 8: it should be done before the legislation passes, not afterwards.
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Speaker 2: Labor sources tell me that there is major anxiety in
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Speaker 2: the caucus, more than anyone is letting on. Over the
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Speaker 2: past two elections, Labor won over centrist voters. They won
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Speaker 2: the support of aspirational Australians and these are the voters
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Speaker 2: being punished by the tax changers. If the backlash continues,
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Speaker 2: and if the polling reflects this, Labor will have no
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Speaker 2: choice but to back down on scrapping the capital gains
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Speaker 2: tax discount for business. But if they think they can
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Speaker 2: get away without a backdown, they'll forge ahead, regardless of
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Speaker 2: the impact that it has on hard working Australians who've
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Speaker 2: sacrificed and toiled to start a business and get ahead.
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Speaker 3: Now there's no question that it would be.
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Speaker 2: Herding the Albanese government that first New Southwales Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins came out against these tax changers, and now Wa
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Speaker 2: Premier Roger Cook has joined him in sounding the alarm.
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Speaker 9: We want to make sure that it doesn't disincentive incentivize
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Speaker 9: both international investment in our major projects but also exploration
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Speaker 9: by our small bonus.
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Speaker 3: And he's a popular premier in Wa.
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Speaker 2: Yet Albanizi hopes he might get away with it because
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Speaker 2: Labor is combining the tax changes with a two hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty dollars tax offset. It's a political wedge to
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Speaker 2: get the coalition to vote against personal income tax cuts.
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Speaker 2: As usual, the Albanezi government is ruthlessly effective on the politics.
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Speaker 3: If only they could be as good.
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Speaker 2: At running the country well. New South Wales Policeman Sinister
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Speaker 2: Yasmin Catley has again today refused to be transparent about
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Speaker 2: why Operation Shelter was effectively shut down in the months
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Speaker 2: before the Bondai terror attack. Now, Operation Shelter was a
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Speaker 2: specific police task force on anti Semitism, and the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission heard this week that it had been disbanded. The
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Speaker 2: evidence first came from the Eastern Suburbs Commander on Tuesday.
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Speaker 10: But you knew and the lead up to Anikabadaseea in
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty five that Operation Shelter was not providing that
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Speaker 10: overlay at that time.
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Speaker 11: It didn't exist at that time.
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Speaker 1: It didn't exist.
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Speaker 11: It wasn't There was no Operation Shelter in December twenty.
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Speaker 10: Five in terms of the Eastern suburbs or all at all.
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Speaker 10: Had it been formally disbanded by then.
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Speaker 11: Not disbanded, it had escalated and reduced or de escalated
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Speaker 11: as the need. They're probably not questions I can answer appropriately.
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Speaker 2: Look, the Commission was clearly interested in this, and so
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Speaker 2: both the counsel assisting Richard Lancaster and the Commissioner herself,
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Speaker 2: Virginia Bell, questioned Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Hudson on this
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Speaker 2: topic yesterday and his evidence was that Operation Shelter at
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Speaker 2: the time of the Bondaid terror attack existed in name only.
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Speaker 12: I know that the response was absorbed by the Central
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Speaker 12: Metropolitan Region for the management of protests and any proactive
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Speaker 12: taskings that fell to Central Metropolitan Region rather than a
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Speaker 12: centralized group where resources were taken from other commands to Stafford,
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Speaker 12: so that.
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Speaker 13: In effect, Operation Shelter at that time.
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Speaker 12: Was no longer.
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Speaker 10: Was no longer.
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Speaker 12: Functioning in name only as a capture process.
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Speaker 1: I believe for.
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Speaker 3: Reports in name only.
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Speaker 2: Now this is highly significant that a task force to
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Speaker 2: prevent hate crimes launched in October twenty twenty three was
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Speaker 2: no longer operational.
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Speaker 3: Before the terror attack.
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Speaker 2: Now we need to know why the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: government or police made this decision to scale it back. Now,
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Speaker 2: for the second day in a row, Opposition leader Kelly
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Speaker 2: Sloane oppressed the Police minister on this point.
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Speaker 14: Commissioner Lanyon has said that Operations Shelter commenced the day
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Speaker 14: after the Bondai terrorist attack, and at yesterday's Royal Commission hearing,
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Speaker 14: Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson said that in twenty twenty five
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Speaker 14: it existed in name only. Yesterday you told the House
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Speaker 14: several times that you were advised Operation Shelter never ceased.
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Speaker 14: Who gave you that advice and why is it different
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Speaker 14: from the Royal Commission advice.
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Speaker 15: You will reiterate what I said yesterday, which is that
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Speaker 15: I have been advised that Operation Shelter never ceased, never ceased.
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Speaker 2: Well, Kelly Sloane then interjected, and Yas mccutley eventually read
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Speaker 2: out advice given to the Royal Commission where it was
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Speaker 2: clear that while it existed technically, it wasn't operational.
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Speaker 16: Who gave you that advice?
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Speaker 15: I had a briefing from the police where I take
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Speaker 15: my advice from the experts, and as I said a
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Speaker 15: Deputy Commissioner McKenna members mister speaker, and I quote he said,
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Speaker 15: and in December twenty twenty five, prior to the attack,
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Speaker 15: This is from the commander at the time, Shelter had
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Speaker 15: moved to a model predominantly relating to protest activity and
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Speaker 15: didn't have a proactive arm as such that reverted back
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Speaker 15: to my region to assist with any proactivity that needed
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Speaker 15: to go across to Eastern Suburbs or any other police
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Speaker 15: area command as required.
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Speaker 2: So as Yasmin Cartley literally read out herself, it was
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Speaker 2: no longer proactively operating to protect the Jewish community. That
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Speaker 2: element of it had been effectively disbanded and instead it
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Speaker 2: had been reassigned to protest activity. Now we all know
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Speaker 2: the primary protests of the past year and more were
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian, So to me it sounds like a police
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Speaker 2: task force meant to fight anti Semitism had been reassigned
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Speaker 2: to the Palestinian protesters. If this is the case and
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Speaker 2: we need more information from the Police Minister, which is
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Speaker 2: not forthcoming in providing. But if this is the case,
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Speaker 2: it's pretty outrageous and requires a full explanation. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: aarsmonc Cautley was offering none up today.
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Speaker 6: Could the honor remember please inform the House as to
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Speaker 6: how many officers were specifically assigned to operations shelter as
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Speaker 6: of the fourteenth of December twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 10: I'd call the minister, thank you very.
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Speaker 15: Much, mister speaker. Mister Speaker, as is well known in
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Speaker 15: this House, they are operational decisions that are made by
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Speaker 15: the New South Wales Police, who can I say, our
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Speaker 15: expert in making these decisions. They are expert in keeping
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Speaker 15: our streets safe. It's often the case, mister Speaker, that
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Speaker 15: those on the opposite side are constantly saying nice things
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Speaker 15: about the police, but clearly they have a different view today.
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Speaker 2: Look, she was clearly under pressure because when she was
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Speaker 2: asked by the opposition today a question about whether the
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Speaker 2: Jewish security the CSG should be armed, she lost it.
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Speaker 15: But what we do know, mister Speaker, is that there
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Speaker 15: are some on that side, including the questioner mister speaker,
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Speaker 15: and I would say, at what point would anybody in
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Speaker 15: this state, after what we have been through, would in
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Speaker 15: what state would anybody after we have been through not
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Speaker 15: want the toughest strictest compliance and checks and balances on
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Speaker 15: a license hold her a firearm in this state.
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Speaker 1: If you do, put your hand up.
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Speaker 17: Put your hand up, mister.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It seems she's pretty rattled by all these questions and
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Speaker 2: her answer was somewhat unhinged. But it's quite unbelievable how
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Speaker 2: she answered both of those questions. I mean, you heard
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Speaker 2: in her first answer talking about having nice things to
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Speaker 2: say about the police. Well, this isn't about having nice
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Speaker 2: or not nice things to say about the police. Everybody
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Speaker 2: supports the police, everybody is grateful for the police. But
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Speaker 2: this is about management decisions to shut down a task
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Speaker 2: force ahead of the Bondie attack.
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Speaker 3: Who made this decision.
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Speaker 2: And why it was made is firmly in the public
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Speaker 2: cause interest And this isn't the fault by the way
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Speaker 2: of the current Commissioner mal Laniet. This was before his
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Speaker 2: time and the Royal Commission of Virginia bell As I
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Speaker 2: played you before. She felt this was so important that
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Speaker 2: she herself asked a question about it.
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Speaker 3: I'll play you that again.
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Speaker 13: What was the position by mid December twenty twenty five
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Speaker 13: was Operation Shelter Atdieff? Did it have many police resources
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Speaker 13: attached to.
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Speaker 3: It or not?
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Speaker 2: If the question is good enough for Commissioner of Virginia Bell,
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Speaker 2: why can't politicians in Parliament and journalists in the media
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Speaker 2: ask about it as well? Yes, Operation Shelter still technically existed,
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Speaker 2: but it had been effectively disbanded. Both the Bondi Superintendent
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Speaker 2: and even the Deputy Commissioner of Police the whole police
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Speaker 2: was Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson, both believed that it existed
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Speaker 2: in name only. It wasn't a resource they could rely on.
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Speaker 2: The Minister needs to stop her performative comments in question
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Speaker 2: time and answer serious questions about why this happened. Now
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Speaker 2: to revelations in Senate estimates that the new South Wales
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Speaker 2: government demanded funding from the Albanese government for the cost
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Speaker 2: of the returning Isa's cohort. The return of the Islamic
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Speaker 2: State linked brides was not a decision made by the
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Speaker 2: Men's government, yet they were bearing the cost of it,
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Speaker 2: and we now know they wrote asking for funds here's
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Speaker 2: that admission from Home Affairs Boss Stephanie Foster sat.
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Speaker 18: I had some discussions with at least Doe South Wales,
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Speaker 18: possibly Victoria. I think initially there was some concern about
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Speaker 18: how they would manage the financial implications of the returns.
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Speaker 18: Each of my discussions with them was to remind them
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Speaker 18: of the funding that we had provided and the way,
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Speaker 18: the flexible way it could be used, and there was
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Speaker 18: no formal request to my knowledge. I think those discussions
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Speaker 18: settled the matter.
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Speaker 3: Incredibly.
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Speaker 2: A short time later, the Home Affairs officials try to
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Speaker 2: walk back those comments.
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Speaker 19: And so to be absolutely clear, no request has been
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Speaker 19: received with regard to increased supports from the Commonwealth by
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Speaker 19: either of those states that have received members of these
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Speaker 19: two cohorts.
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Speaker 16: Not that I'm so.
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Speaker 18: Mister Hanscott has just said to me that what I
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Speaker 18: said to you before was true at the time that
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Speaker 18: I had those.
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Speaker 16: Conversations, never in doubt he is.
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Speaker 18: He's suggesting that there may have been a request more recently.
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Speaker 20: Will run that to ground.
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Speaker 2: Then, in a bit of a farcical situation, the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government officials had to again correct the record.
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Speaker 6: Prior to my commencement in this role, there was correspondence
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Speaker 6: from the New South Wales government seeking further financial assistance
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Speaker 6: to support their work in the reintegration for want of
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Speaker 6: a better word, of the cohort.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this makes sense.
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Speaker 2: They would be seeking funding because the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Police were less than impressed about the additional workload from
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Speaker 2: the returning ISIS cohort. This was forced on them, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't their decision and there's extensive cost and monitoring involved.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Quite shockingly we learned in these Senate estimates that the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government hasn't even responded to this request for funding
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Speaker 2: for the management and the reintegration of the ISIS cohort
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Speaker 2: from the New South Wales government.
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Speaker 19: So are you able to outline any of the details
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Speaker 19: in that request from New South Wales, which I assume
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Speaker 19: you've because it was in April, so a month ago
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Speaker 19: you've rejected, you've declined or responded to.
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Speaker 6: At this stage we aren't able to find a formal
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Speaker 6: response that has been made, which is likely due to
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Speaker 6: the administration of my commencement in the role. So I
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Speaker 6: don't believe we have formally in writing declined they're aware
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Speaker 6: their request.
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Speaker 10: We haven't.
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Speaker 6: We haven't formally addressed that request as far as I'm
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Speaker 6: aware or informally or formally or informally correct.
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Speaker 19: Yes, So today, if they're listening to estimates, is the
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Speaker 19: first time New South Wales is hearing that the Commonwealth
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Speaker 19: is not going to respond positively to their request for
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Speaker 19: further funding.
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Speaker 2: Talk about a complete breakdown between state and federal governments
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Speaker 2: and these are the kind of fractures that can lead
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Speaker 2: to serious failures. And joining me now for more on
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Speaker 2: this is the man you were just watching, their shadow
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister John o' duniam, Johno. Welcome to the programmer,
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Speaker 2: and great job oncovering this and cenate estimates last night.
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Speaker 2: So we've learned that New South Wales was worried about
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Speaker 2: funding and monitoring the so called ISIS brides. And look
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Speaker 2: it seems like Home Affairs didn't even bother to reply.
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Speaker 16: Which is outrageous, Charry.
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Speaker 19: And it's exactly what you've been talking about for quite
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Speaker 19: some time and you've written about as well in the papers.
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Speaker 16: I mean the idea that we're.
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Speaker 19: Supposed to trust our law enforcement and intelligence and government
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Speaker 19: agencies with our national security, but they can't even get
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Speaker 19: basic administration right it's something that frightens the life out
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Speaker 19: of me. It was embarrassing to see someone tell us
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Speaker 19: at the table, as you've just played, oh no, we
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Speaker 19: haven't had a new request, so hang on, we have
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Speaker 19: had a request. We're not sure if we've responded. They
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Speaker 19: told me initially they declined, then that they hadn't declined,
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Speaker 19: and now took the Prime Minister in question time to
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Speaker 19: say no more funding to do something that this federal
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Speaker 19: government have allowed to be forced on New South Wales,
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Speaker 19: and that is the monitoring and management of this group
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Speaker 19: of women and the children who went to join their
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Speaker 19: ISSIS fighter husbands in Syria. It is appalling that it
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Speaker 19: goes to exactly the heart of the problem you've been
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Speaker 19: talking about for some time now, and it's another shocking
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Speaker 19: example of how this government is letting is allowing things
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Speaker 19: to break down when it comes to state and federal relations.
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Speaker 2: We also saw the AFP Commissioner Chrissy Barrett today reveal
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Speaker 2: that they've been or there are eight separate counter terrorism
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Speaker 2: investigations away underway into Australian ISIS linked families who were
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Speaker 2: at one time in Syria in a terror hotspot. I
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Speaker 2: mean eight separate investigations currently underway, and then as well
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Speaker 2: the news that the AFP has today charged another isis
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Speaker 2: linked Australian woman who came back from Syria last September.
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Speaker 2: How worrying is the spread of this ideology, Johno, Well.
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Speaker 16: It's extremely worrying, and this is why we have all.
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Speaker 19: Along been saying that we should have prevented, to whatever
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Speaker 19: extent possible, their return until we could put in proper measures.
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Speaker 19: The reality is they've come back to Australia because this
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Speaker 19: government has done nothing to stop them. They might not
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Speaker 19: have flown a plane over, picked them up, paid for
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Speaker 19: their tickets and brought them back, but they have in
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Speaker 19: more ways than one, been more than helpful in getting
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Speaker 19: them back here. So they're here now, they've brought back
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Speaker 19: their ideology. There are individuals who are milling about out
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Speaker 19: there where we don't know where they're at. The government
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Speaker 19: have been very protective of their privacy, which I think
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Speaker 19: presents a risk to the community. As you say, there
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Speaker 19: are eight ongoing investigations into whom we don't really know.
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Speaker 19: What are the risks posed by those they're investigating.
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Speaker 16: We don't know.
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Speaker 19: And again this lack of transparency and lack of urgency
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Speaker 19: and this sort of hope that the issue will go
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Speaker 19: away is frankly appalling by this government and I would
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Speaker 19: have expected more from officials today, but again stonewalled as
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Speaker 19: you predicted just a couple of days ago by officials
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Speaker 19: when asking questions around this and the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 3: I know that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: There are areas that can be spoken about that are
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Speaker 2: not confidential, that are not sealed, that are being ventilated
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Speaker 2: in public by the Royal Commission. But of course it
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Speaker 2: provides the perfect, perfect excuse for bureaucrats to not answer
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Speaker 2: questions that, as I say, are firmly in the public
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Speaker 2: interest and we need to get the answers on I
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Speaker 2: just want to ask you about another topic. There's reports
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Speaker 2: that Opposition leader Angus Taylor called the Prime Minister an
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Speaker 2: arrogant prick in question time today.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't have heard this directly, you're not in the Lower House.
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Speaker 2: But do you have a comment on this type of language?
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Speaker 2: Is it appropriate and do you agree with Angus Taylor?
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Speaker 19: Well, look, can I say I try to temper my language.
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Speaker 19: There have been occasions where I've been known to become
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Speaker 19: a bit more exuberant in.
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Speaker 16: My expression.
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Speaker 19: On the occasions I have have been pulled up by
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Speaker 19: don't endorse it generally speaking, but can.
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Speaker 16: I tell you what when you're driven to the.
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Speaker 19: Lengths and levels of frustration that angus and the Opposition,
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Speaker 19: and I dare say a great sway the Australian population
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Speaker 19: has been by this government. It's unwillingness to address the
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Speaker 19: issues that its policies are forcing on people. Like now
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Speaker 19: we're hearing about these tax changes and it is frankly
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Speaker 19: arrogant by this government to say we're going to bring
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Speaker 19: in these changes to the tax system.
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Speaker 16: We didn't take them to an election.
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Speaker 19: Yes they're a broken promise, We're going to run them
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Speaker 19: through the parliament and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Speaker 19: That is the heart of arrogance. That's what this government,
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Speaker 19: led by this Prime Minister, is doing. So while I
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Speaker 19: wouldn't use those words myself, I can see why he did, and.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, and you agree with the sentiment behind.
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Speaker 19: It, well, yes absolutely, I mean that the reality is
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Speaker 19: the government is forcing this on the Australian people and
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Speaker 19: rushing it through the parliament in a very arrogant way.
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Speaker 2: So yes, just before you go, Matt Canavan says that
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Speaker 2: Australians shouldn't be taxed before they've actually had a say
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Speaker 2: on this legislation. He's demanding the Prime Minister call an
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Speaker 2: election immediately. Do you agree with Matt Canavan that Labor
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Speaker 2: needs a mandate for this tax reform?
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Speaker 16: Yes, they do.
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Speaker 19: I mean, this is the point of elections. Go to
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Speaker 19: the people and say this is what we're going to
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Speaker 19: do over the next three years.
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Speaker 16: This is how it will impact on you. Here's the modeling.
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Speaker 19: You can digest this and you then get to make
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Speaker 19: a decision about whether you want that to happen or
22:14
Speaker 19: not by casting your ballot.
22:16
Speaker 16: Nowhere in any of.
22:17
Speaker 19: The electorates the ninety four seats where Labor hold those seats,
22:22
Speaker 19: did they say they were going to do this. In fact,
22:24
Speaker 19: quite the opposite. So I agree with Matt Canavan timing
22:28
Speaker 19: of the election, well, they should delay the changes until
22:32
Speaker 19: they've held an election. They do need to take this
22:34
Speaker 19: to the people. It is not fair, it's not right.
22:36
Speaker 19: It's not the first time. But you can't do this
22:39
Speaker 19: sort of thing without a mandate, which is why we're
22:41
Speaker 19: going to do everything we can to hold this thing off,
22:43
Speaker 19: because people deserve better than being ripped off by another
22:46
Speaker 19: set of labor.
22:47
Speaker 3: Lies, right, Johonna Dunnieam.
22:49
Speaker 2: Great work again to your whole team in Senate estimates
22:51
Speaker 2: this week, and thank you very much for your time.
22:54
Speaker 2: All right for more on the tax debarkle, let's bring
22:56
Speaker 2: you now former Press Secretary to John Howard, David Gazard
23:00
Speaker 2: and Sky News host Caleb Bond.
23:02
Speaker 3: Great to see you both.
23:03
Speaker 2: I just want to quickly get your view on this
23:05
Speaker 2: on Angus Taylor swearing. I mean, I think given the
23:09
Speaker 2: level of anger cayleb by a lot of Australians towards
23:12
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, they probably wouldn't they'd probably excuse.
23:15
Speaker 16: It, who gives a toss?
23:17
Speaker 21: Honestly. I mean it's not even the worst thing I've
23:19
Speaker 21: heard him called in the last five minutes, though that
23:22
Speaker 21: was in my.
23:22
Speaker 3: Head actually definitely in the Sky News right, No, no, no, But.
23:25
Speaker 21: I mean, come on, does anyone really care? Look, I
23:29
Speaker 21: don't think anyone's going to have a beer in the
23:31
Speaker 21: pub tonight going.
23:33
Speaker 16: That bloody Angus Taylor.
23:34
Speaker 21: Can you believe that he called the Prime Minister.
23:36
Speaker 16: An arrogant prick? I don't think anyone.
23:38
Speaker 1: Cares, do they?
23:39
Speaker 17: No?
23:40
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought so, David, I'm interested in your
23:43
Speaker 2: view on the politics behind this tax reform. So clearly
23:48
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's trying to wedge the coalition by linking
23:53
Speaker 2: the very contentious tax reform to the two hundred and
23:58
Speaker 2: fifty dollars tax cuts, so that they can then say
24:01
Speaker 2: the coalition voted against tax cuts.
24:03
Speaker 3: I mean that's not going to fly, is it.
24:05
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean the Coalition are opposed
24:09
Speaker 1: to the whole package.
24:11
Speaker 22: If they are opposed to the five dollars a week
24:14
Speaker 22: or the sixty three cents a day, I don't think
24:17
Speaker 22: too many people are going to be worried about that
24:19
Speaker 22: when the budget has gone over as badly as it has,
24:23
Speaker 22: particularly among young people who were supposed to protect. So
24:28
Speaker 22: saying no, if anyone's wedged, I would have thought it
24:31
Speaker 22: is the government itself, because with the coalition saying no,
24:35
Speaker 22: it needs to rely on passage from the Greens, and
24:39
Speaker 22: the Greens have already said they want more out of
24:42
Speaker 22: this budget in terms of.
24:44
Speaker 1: Higher taxes, not lower taxes, higher taxes.
24:48
Speaker 22: So the government has to either do a deal with
24:52
Speaker 22: a minor party, an extreme minor party that wants even
24:56
Speaker 22: higher taxes, or it's got to acquiesce and pull the
24:59
Speaker 22: package or leave it sitting in the Senate like a
25:03
Speaker 22: cer called zombie measure. So if anyone I think is
25:06
Speaker 22: wedged on this, it's probably Anthony Albanisi and Jim Jarmon's themselves.
25:11
Speaker 2: What about on the capitol gainst tax element, Kaylor, because
25:15
Speaker 2: they'd already initially indicated carve outs for the tech sector
25:20
Speaker 2: and for startups, But then you heard the Treasure of
25:22
Speaker 2: this morning outlining a whole lot of other issues, clearly
25:25
Speaker 2: unforeseen consequences of the laws that he said they were
25:28
Speaker 2: now looking at, and played those comments earlier in the show,
25:31
Speaker 2: So you know, but they're still introducing their legislation and
25:36
Speaker 2: then they say, oh, we're going to add amendments and
25:38
Speaker 2: work it out afterwards.
25:39
Speaker 21: No wonder they call him an arrogant prick. It's you
25:44
Speaker 21: said earlier about the masterful way in which this government
25:47
Speaker 21: generally does politics. Doesn't necessarily reflect in the way that
25:50
Speaker 21: they govern, but the way they do politics, and in
25:52
Speaker 21: general I agree with that assessment. But this is a
25:56
Speaker 21: glaring omission in that regard because seemingly they just thought
26:01
Speaker 21: they would get away with running this intergenerational equity line
26:05
Speaker 21: and that everyone go, oh yeah, absolutely, I agree the
26:07
Speaker 21: kids should be able to buy a house, and then
26:09
Speaker 21: they wouldn't question anything else. And it's not played out
26:12
Speaker 21: that way, and you can't really I know. Sometimes in
26:16
Speaker 21: politics you sort of start with the amber claim and
26:18
Speaker 21: you negotiate back from there. That's what Donald Trump does
26:21
Speaker 21: all the time. But it's very different when you're having
26:23
Speaker 21: that discussion with the people as opposed to some sort
26:26
Speaker 21: of foreign leader. And in that regard they have totally failed.
26:30
Speaker 21: I mean, there is no other reason that I can
26:32
Speaker 21: see that you would advance the argument they did on
26:35
Speaker 21: budget night and now be sort of, you know, piecemeal
26:38
Speaker 21: walking back parts of that name. I didn't expect the
26:41
Speaker 21: back I know, but I can't understand how they didn't
26:44
Speaker 21: foresee the backglass.
26:45
Speaker 2: They thought they'd get away with it, the genuine all
26:47
Speaker 2: about They genuinely.
26:49
Speaker 21: Thought they would get away with it, which is just extraordinary.
26:51
Speaker 21: The fact that no one picked up on the fact
26:53
Speaker 21: that I, you know it dud people and young people
26:57
Speaker 21: as well, who have you know, gone and invested in
27:00
Speaker 21: something else because they thought, well, I'm probably not going
27:01
Speaker 21: to buy a house straight up, they get doubted as well.
27:04
Speaker 21: It's just the worst play i've seen from this government ever.
27:08
Speaker 21: I think you know, four years they've been in power
27:10
Speaker 21: and they're done a pretty good job of wielding power.
27:12
Speaker 21: This is not one of those.
27:14
Speaker 2: This budget is right up there with the Prime Minister's
27:16
Speaker 2: refusal to call a Royal commission, both.
27:18
Speaker 3: Of us and the Voice.
27:19
Speaker 2: Actually, there's been a lot now that we think about it, they.
27:22
Speaker 21: Get away with it every time. This is the one
27:24
Speaker 21: time they might not get a way.
27:26
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see they might back down, David Gazard.
27:29
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson has said she doesn't want her party to
27:32
Speaker 2: become a dumping ground for coalition. She did an interview
27:35
Speaker 2: with The Herald this evening, but she did say, and
27:39
Speaker 2: we're showing the comments on screen, that she's open. She says,
27:43
Speaker 2: I'd have Alex Antik in a heartbeat. I think his
27:46
Speaker 2: views are closely aligned with one Nations, but it's up
27:48
Speaker 2: to him to make them move, David. Many commentators are
27:52
Speaker 2: now treating Pauline as kind of on par with Angus
27:55
Speaker 2: Taylor as an opposition leader.
27:57
Speaker 3: Do you think that's where she's headed?
27:59
Speaker 22: Well, as long as numbers stay as high as they
28:01
Speaker 22: are in terms of primary vote, it's hard to it's
28:05
Speaker 22: hard to ignore that clearly one of her one of
28:08
Speaker 22: her big pieces of the platform is not to become
28:12
Speaker 22: like the duopoly Labor and the Coalition, which I think
28:14
Speaker 22: is unfair, but that's part of her stick, right. So
28:18
Speaker 22: she's hardly then going to open the gates and let
28:21
Speaker 22: a whole raft of Liberal MPs or National Party MPs
28:25
Speaker 22: who may be worried about their own seats going to
28:28
Speaker 22: one nation where they think they've got a better, better go.
28:30
Speaker 22: The one thing I'd say is this, What it shows
28:33
Speaker 22: is a resurgence in conservative politics, whether it be from
28:39
Speaker 22: one nation or the coalition. And when you look at
28:42
Speaker 22: the crossover of primary votes between the coalition, I know
28:47
Speaker 22: they don't automatically flow one to the other. But you're
28:50
Speaker 22: in the high forties. So Pauline Hanson, while keeping her
28:55
Speaker 22: own options open in terms of their own candidates sitting
28:58
Speaker 22: roughly on a thirty percent primary vote and the Coalition
29:02
Speaker 22: sitting somewhere around twenty five and rising with every single
29:05
Speaker 22: day while they argue against these tax changes brought in
29:09
Speaker 22: by the budget. If there is some deal, which Pauline
29:12
Speaker 22: Hanson has talked about, forget about the members flowing over it.
29:15
Speaker 22: But some deal where either party guarantees supply you suddenly
29:20
Speaker 22: have a resurgent conservative voice in the Parliament, which may
29:26
Speaker 22: be in minority either way.
29:28
Speaker 1: But what could conceivably form government at the next election.
29:32
Speaker 3: I've been talking about this so much.
29:33
Speaker 2: You put the primary votes together, you say high for
29:36
Speaker 2: I've been saying about fifty percent primary vote. But they
29:39
Speaker 2: need to have some sort of working arrangement, formal alliance.
29:43
Speaker 2: They need to have something there, Caleb, and then they
29:46
Speaker 2: can govern. But the issue is I can't see Angus
29:49
Speaker 2: Taylor coming to the table or I mean he'd need
29:51
Speaker 2: to agree to give Pauline ministries for example. I mean,
29:55
Speaker 2: these are big conversations that have to take place. But
29:57
Speaker 2: the alternative of not doing that is the Albanezi government
30:01
Speaker 2: remains in power.
30:02
Speaker 21: Yeah, I guess you've got to weigh up whether and
30:04
Speaker 21: particularly for Pauline Hanson, she has to weigh up whether
30:08
Speaker 21: going into some sort of agreement before an election counts
30:12
Speaker 21: against one nation because you then sort of, you know,
30:14
Speaker 21: pre tying yourself to the existing coalition, which is what
30:18
Speaker 21: people are moving away from, and going to one nation
30:21
Speaker 21: for instead. So there may be some damage in saying, well,
30:23
Speaker 21: actually we're with that mob, or do you wait until
30:26
Speaker 21: after an election and have those negotiations in because obviously
30:29
Speaker 21: if there's a path of forming a government, that is exactly.
30:32
Speaker 16: What they will do.
30:33
Speaker 21: They won't lose the opportunity to form a government if
30:36
Speaker 21: they can. But you know, by the same token, That's
30:38
Speaker 21: why I understand why Pauline essentially says I don't want
30:42
Speaker 21: the party.
30:43
Speaker 2: They can't hide it till after an election because there
30:45
Speaker 2: are going to be so many questions about it from
30:47
Speaker 2: journalists and they need to be upfront.
30:49
Speaker 21: Well, you can say to that, yes, I would talk
30:52
Speaker 21: to the coalition about an agreement. You don't have to
30:55
Speaker 21: say we've got something in train, but you can, you know,
30:58
Speaker 21: because you normally get people.
30:59
Speaker 2: Saying app transparent, don't they And also preferences would come
31:03
Speaker 2: into this. So this all needs to be worked out beforehand,
31:05
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
31:05
Speaker 3: David.
31:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, But you've got a long time to go. You've
31:08
Speaker 1: got two years to go to see how that goes.
31:10
Speaker 1: I agree with Caleb on this.
31:11
Speaker 22: They will grab it with both hands if they if
31:14
Speaker 22: they have a chance to get into government. But I
31:16
Speaker 22: think before that occurs, there has to be that coming
31:19
Speaker 22: to moment Jesus coming to Jesus moment within one nation
31:23
Speaker 22: about who they're really fighting. You saw it in South
31:26
Speaker 22: Australia where they ran an open preferencing ticket and took
31:30
Speaker 22: huge numbers off both minor parties and everyone talked about
31:35
Speaker 22: the Orange tsunami. But in the Lower House in South Australia,
31:37
Speaker 22: they've got four seats, so they can either pillage coalition
31:41
Speaker 22: seats and see Anthony of an Easy back in power,
31:44
Speaker 22: or pillage coalition seats in Victoria and see Justiner Allen
31:48
Speaker 22: back in power. Or they can work strategically against the
31:51
Speaker 22: forces that both of the parties are fighting around some
31:55
Speaker 22: kind of supply preferencing agreement however that works closer to
31:59
Speaker 22: the other and those details get sorted out later. I mean, okay, yeap.
32:04
Speaker 22: People are going to say it's a lot more like Italy,
32:06
Speaker 22: but this is happening to parliaments across the western world.
32:10
Speaker 22: There's a fracturing in fault lines that has meant various
32:14
Speaker 22: coalitions are formed formally or informally among like minded parties.
32:20
Speaker 22: We're seeing this in the UK with reform.
32:23
Speaker 3: All right, David Gazard, Calebond, thank you both very much.
32:27
Speaker 2: Still to come after a young police officer was shot
32:30
Speaker 2: in the Bondi attack. Doctors made a shocking discovery. We'll
32:34
Speaker 2: bring you that story a bit later. And the offensive
32:36
Speaker 2: and tone deaf comment from Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson.
32:40
Speaker 3: I'll show you host Shaka after the break.
32:47
Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson today made pretty tone deaf comments
32:51
Speaker 2: about why people should be paying even more tax than
32:55
Speaker 2: they are already.
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Speaker 23: In some instances, this may largely affect the fact that
33:00
Speaker 23: individuals are sensitive about paying additional tax, which is totally understandable,
33:05
Speaker 23: but revenue needs to be raised from somewhere.
33:09
Speaker 2: And David Perl, former Treasury Assistant Secretary, joins me. Now, David,
33:13
Speaker 2: how offensive is this when Australians pay already among the
33:17
Speaker 2: highest rates of personal income tax in the developed world.
33:21
Speaker 2: And it's not our problem. The government can't control its
33:23
Speaker 2: own spending.
33:26
Speaker 24: Now that's right, Sharry. Your viewers would know that federal
33:30
Speaker 24: spending is a share of GDP is at its highest
33:32
Speaker 24: level apart from the pandemic, since nineteen eighty six, and
33:36
Speaker 24: we have a full employment economy. So for Jenny Wilkinson
33:41
Speaker 24: to totally ignore that and focus only on the need
33:45
Speaker 24: to squeeze more money out of Australian working people. Is
33:48
Speaker 24: tone deaf. It reminded me of Marie Antoinette almost telling
33:52
Speaker 24: taxpayers to eat cake. But I'd like to say something
33:56
Speaker 24: else about her speech. It was quite remarkable. Treasury sectaries
34:01
Speaker 24: are political, Sharry, but they're usually subtle, and Jenny, like
34:04
Speaker 24: Stephen Kennedy before her, was not.
34:06
Speaker 16: Subtle at all. In this speech.
34:09
Speaker 24: She sang the praises of this tax reform, describing it
34:12
Speaker 24: as the most significant in a quarter of a century.
34:15
Speaker 24: That line could have been written by Jim Chalmers. It's
34:17
Speaker 24: not appropriate for a Treasury secretary to say that. And
34:20
Speaker 24: she compared it to the hawk Keating, Howard and Castello
34:23
Speaker 24: changes which massively reduced taxes on working Australians as opposed
34:28
Speaker 24: to the two hundred and fifty dollars payment, and also
34:31
Speaker 24: those prior reforms. Sharry followed a rational, considered policy process
34:37
Speaker 24: in contrast to this disaster. So I thought the speech
34:40
Speaker 24: was not only tone deaf, but was obviously political. And
34:43
Speaker 24: Wilkinson said one thing that no Treasury sectary said to
34:46
Speaker 24: my knowledge in the past, and that is that capital income,
34:49
Speaker 24: in other words, savings income should be taxed as harshly
34:53
Speaker 24: as we tax wages once inflation is taken into account.
34:58
Speaker 24: No serious economists, no form Treasury sectory has said that
35:02
Speaker 24: you tax savings income, which funds investment and growth. By
35:05
Speaker 24: the way, she didn't mention that in her speech at all,
35:09
Speaker 24: because savings are funded out of post tax income. So
35:12
Speaker 24: when you tax savings, you're taxing at twice and you're
35:16
Speaker 24: hurting investment. And it's remarkable that our chief economic advisor
35:20
Speaker 24: did not acknowledge that point, but instead spent a lot
35:23
Speaker 24: of time talking about how capital income can be used
35:27
Speaker 24: to avoid taxes.
35:28
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really demonizing capital income. It's a very
35:33
Speaker 2: left ideological left view of the world from the Treasury.
35:39
Speaker 24: It is, and it's inappropriate. She uses Jim Chalmers demonizing
35:43
Speaker 24: term capital income, and Charmer says, it's income the people
35:46
Speaker 24: who don't work earn. It's income from people's savings. And
35:51
Speaker 24: unless you inherit an a state from your parents, which
35:54
Speaker 24: almost no Australians do, your savings in shares or investment
35:59
Speaker 24: property or startups comes from your post tax waging come.
36:03
Speaker 24: It's already been taxed once, exactly, and all economists know that.
36:07
Speaker 24: That's why they always say tax savings in an equivalent way,
36:12
Speaker 24: so you don't distort the market and decisions, but do
36:15
Speaker 24: it in a more moderate way. In most countries, even
36:17
Speaker 24: Scandinavian countries that labor would like to model, do that.
36:21
Speaker 2: It's just a misunderstanding of how hard it is for
36:24
Speaker 2: people to work, start businesses, save money in this climate,
36:29
Speaker 2: especially with inflation at the high levels and rising levels.
36:33
Speaker 3: That it is.
36:34
Speaker 2: The government, as we've been speaking about, is rushing through
36:36
Speaker 2: its taxation laws. They claimed this was about housing affordability,
36:40
Speaker 2: but it's really about taxing small business. I mean, it's
36:44
Speaker 2: got very little to do with housing.
36:48
Speaker 24: I think this is remarkable, Shari and I don't think
36:51
Speaker 24: we're fully digested this that the Treasure and Prime Minister
36:54
Speaker 24: and their friendly journalists for months were drip feeding the
36:58
Speaker 24: public with false stories about how real estate investors are
37:03
Speaker 24: keeping home buyers out of the market. Home buyers struggle
37:06
Speaker 24: because of interest rates, migration and planning restrictions, not one
37:10
Speaker 24: off tax changes. But having fed that story, we see
37:15
Speaker 24: the budget not only increases taxes on housing investors, but
37:19
Speaker 24: all investors across all asset classes apart from the family home.
37:24
Speaker 24: And that was completely blindsiding everybody. And I think that's
37:27
Speaker 24: a huge political misjudgment on the part of the Prime
37:30
Speaker 24: Minister and the Treasurer. They've told journalists a treasury came
37:33
Speaker 24: up with the idea a month out of the budget.
37:35
Speaker 16: Well, no wonder.
37:36
Speaker 24: The Government and Treasury have clearly not thought through all
37:40
Speaker 24: of the complex implications of this change. It reminds me
37:42
Speaker 24: of the mining tax disaster Sharry, where Jim Charmers was
37:46
Speaker 24: working with Wayne Swan. He announced the tax, put the
37:49
Speaker 24: money in the budget, and then when there was the
37:51
Speaker 24: big uproar, he said he was negotiating implementation details. Jim
37:55
Speaker 24: Charmers has not learned a thing. It's just ridiculous, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, David Pearl, those were genuinely fascinating insights. Thank you
38:04
Speaker 2: so much. Coming up UK Labor Darling. Tony Blair has
38:09
Speaker 2: come out of the woodwork done a massive black backflip
38:12
Speaker 2: to now worn against net zero bring news comments a
38:16
Speaker 2: bit later. Plus the shocking discovery that doctors made after
38:20
Speaker 2: a young police officer, Jack Hibbitt.
38:22
Speaker 3: Was shot at Bondi. That's next.
38:28
Speaker 2: Well, let's return to the revelation from the Royal Commission
38:31
Speaker 2: that the police task force set up after October seven
38:34
Speaker 2: to fight hatred had been effectively disbanded before BONDI operating
38:40
Speaker 2: in name only to discuss joining me now is Executive
38:43
Speaker 2: Council of Australian Jury CO Chief Executive Alex Ripton.
38:46
Speaker 3: Alex, good to see you. As always.
38:49
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner mal Lanyon got it back up and running
38:52
Speaker 2: right after the Bondie attack. But do you think it's
38:55
Speaker 2: worrying that it seems like some complacency had set in,
39:00
Speaker 2: which is why it had been scaled back in the
39:02
Speaker 2: first place.
39:03
Speaker 17: Look, it's a very worrying thing that we've learned, and
39:06
Speaker 17: I think foremost it shows why this Royal Commission process
39:10
Speaker 17: is so critical and why the families and the community
39:13
Speaker 17: were so correct and have been vindicated in calling for this.
39:16
Speaker 17: It's only through this sort of process that we would
39:19
Speaker 17: learn all these things. And I have to also mentioned
39:21
Speaker 17: the leadership of Josh Faidenberg, of course, but we've seen
39:24
Speaker 17: over the weeks of the hearings and now they've gone
39:26
Speaker 17: into closed session for a considerable period of time as well.
39:30
Speaker 17: But we've learned about warnings that were missed, intel that
39:35
Speaker 17: dropped off, a lack of cooperation between agencies, pretty open
39:39
Speaker 17: acrimony between certain agencies, a lack of intelligence sharing, and
39:43
Speaker 17: all of these things contribute to a situation in which
39:45
Speaker 17: these killers were able to operate, acquire weapons, train and
39:49
Speaker 17: so forth carry out their reconnaissance and carry out this
39:52
Speaker 17: bloody slaughter. So we need to get to the end
39:54
Speaker 17: of this process and understand the failings. But certainly it
39:57
Speaker 17: seems from what we've learned in the last week or
39:59
Speaker 17: so that there was a lack of resourcing and a
40:03
Speaker 17: lack of forward planning and a lack of awareness that
40:05
Speaker 17: this was a vulnerability, that this sort of an event
40:08
Speaker 17: despite warnings by ASIO and others in a general security environment.
40:11
Speaker 17: So we need to get to the end of the process.
40:14
Speaker 17: And no doubt the police will have their reasons and
40:17
Speaker 17: they need to be able to put those forward. It
40:19
Speaker 17: all needs to be balanced and understood. But it shows
40:21
Speaker 17: the importance of this whole process and this is a
40:24
Speaker 17: battle ultimately for justice, for truth and to protect society
40:28
Speaker 17: from any further harm.
40:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said and absolutely correct.
40:32
Speaker 2: Speaking of the elevated terror threat level, we heard from
40:35
Speaker 2: the ASIO Director General Mike Burgess on Monday. He told
40:39
Speaker 2: the Role Commission that the terror threat level was now
40:42
Speaker 2: at the upper end of probable. Have a look at
40:45
Speaker 2: his comments we believe.
40:47
Speaker 25: We have a concerning trajectory, as in, it's getting hotter
40:51
Speaker 25: in terms of there is more permission for violence, and
40:55
Speaker 25: we're on the upper end of probable. The next level
40:58
Speaker 25: up is expected, but in the current system that requires
41:02
Speaker 25: us to have specific intelligence that there is a plan
41:05
Speaker 25: and a location for an active terror.
41:09
Speaker 2: So I thought that was extraordinary, Alex. It seems we
41:12
Speaker 2: are in the most elevated thread environment since October seven,
41:15
Speaker 2: and he can't actually raise it higher unless he knows
41:18
Speaker 2: of a specific threat.
41:20
Speaker 17: Yeah. Look, and there's no surprises that we know from
41:23
Speaker 17: recent history that when you have a devastating terrorist attack,
41:26
Speaker 17: that's not the end of a cycle. Usually it's the
41:29
Speaker 17: beginning of a process. You have copycats that are inspired
41:33
Speaker 17: by the attack. It shows the prevalence of an ideology
41:36
Speaker 17: more than one person or a small cell. And in
41:39
Speaker 17: the intervening months, of course, you've had a stabilization in Iran, further.
41:43
Speaker 1: War in the Middle East.
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Speaker 17: We know that Iran, when it's struck, it tends to
41:47
Speaker 17: lash out, either directly or through proxies or even through
41:50
Speaker 17: organized crime, as we've seen in this country. So we
41:53
Speaker 17: remain in an extremely perilous time as the Director General.
41:57
Speaker 17: They're confirmed and it shows that we can never take
42:00
Speaker 17: make our off the ball again. We have to ensure
42:02
Speaker 17: that the police recognize day upon day the threats that
42:07
Speaker 17: are out there for the community, the vulnerabilities we look
42:10
Speaker 17: to them to protect us. It's the role of government
42:12
Speaker 17: to ensure that this is properly resourced as well. And
42:15
Speaker 17: as we've said all along, this requires a whole of
42:18
Speaker 17: society approach to root this out, everything from engagement and
42:22
Speaker 17: education to border security in all of these things going
42:25
Speaker 17: to determining whether there's an attack, whether it's prevented. But
42:29
Speaker 17: we remain in a state of great peril. There's no
42:31
Speaker 17: question about that.
42:34
Speaker 2: It is indeed, and even that's even emphasized because today
42:38
Speaker 2: the AFP Commissioner Chrissy Barrett revealed that they've launched investigations
42:42
Speaker 2: into eight Australian ISIS linked families.
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Speaker 26: Here she was furthermore, today I will reveal there are
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Speaker 26: eight separate joint to Counterterrorism Team investigations into the families
42:54
Speaker 26: who have returned from camps in Syria or remain overseas.
42:58
Speaker 2: Alex It's really good news, of course that there are
43:02
Speaker 2: active investigations that the police are monitoring some of these people,
43:06
Speaker 2: but extremely worrying that this ISIS ideology. You know, an
43:11
Speaker 2: ideology associated with the worst death cult we've seen in
43:15
Speaker 2: recent history, appears to be prevalent in Australia.
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Speaker 17: And look show we've known this for a considerable period
43:22
Speaker 17: of time. There were hundreds of Australians who traveled to
43:26
Speaker 17: Syria and Iraq when ISIS formed and formed the caliphate,
43:30
Speaker 17: and we know that many remained that were sympathetic.
43:33
Speaker 1: To the ideology.
43:33
Speaker 17: We know that in the years before the killers that
43:36
Speaker 17: bond I carried out their attack, there were associations with
43:39
Speaker 17: known and convicted ISIS recruiters. People were sharing propaganda footage.
43:44
Speaker 17: All of this was happening, and really the detection of
43:48
Speaker 17: it wasn't to the standard that it needs to be.
43:50
Speaker 17: We have an issue in this country clearly with violent extremism.
43:53
Speaker 17: We know now from Bondi that we're not dealing with
43:56
Speaker 17: a couple of individuals or a small cell, but an
43:58
Speaker 17: ideology that is and needs to be rooted out. I
44:02
Speaker 17: think the ISIS bride situation has exacerbated things. The fact
44:06
Speaker 17: that we've imported more people, have brought more people back
44:08
Speaker 17: to this country that have this murder's ideology. There's no
44:12
Speaker 17: doubt a threat that's posed from that. But it seems,
44:15
Speaker 17: at least from what the Commissioner of the AFP was
44:17
Speaker 17: saying there, that they're on top of this. But again,
44:19
Speaker 17: when you're dealing with that many potential threats and that
44:23
Speaker 17: many individuals that need to be monitored, mistakes are made
44:27
Speaker 17: and people drop off. And that's what we saw Bonda.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a lot of resources required.
44:32
Speaker 2: Just finally, Alex news today about Jack Hibbert. Now, Jack,
44:36
Speaker 2: you might remember, was the young police officer who was
44:39
Speaker 2: shot at Bondai twenty four years old. Now, kind of
44:42
Speaker 2: an extraordinary story. When he went into surgery for treatment
44:45
Speaker 2: after the Bondi attack and he actually lost eyesight in
44:49
Speaker 2: one eye. It was discovered that he had a benign
44:52
Speaker 2: brain tumor in the other eye as I understand it,
44:55
Speaker 2: and he's now recovering from brain surgery. Now, I mean, Jack,
44:59
Speaker 2: Alex been through a lot, but this is on another level.
45:03
Speaker 2: I mean, this would have gone undetected. So it's one
45:05
Speaker 2: of those unusual twists that we've seen so many of
45:08
Speaker 2: them since the terror attack.
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Speaker 17: Well, it's an incredible thing. If you speak to people
45:13
Speaker 17: like hired to Don who was one of the heroes
45:15
Speaker 17: from that day. And you speak particularly to the people
45:18
Speaker 17: of deep faith, the rabbis, they will say that nothing
45:20
Speaker 17: happens without a reason, nothing is by a coincidence. And
45:24
Speaker 17: obviously this young police officer has been through so much
45:27
Speaker 17: in his young life and young career, and perhaps but
45:31
Speaker 17: for that day, this wouldn't have been detected when it was,
45:34
Speaker 17: and maybe greater harm would have fallen upon him. But
45:37
Speaker 17: we obviously wish him all the best and a speedy
45:39
Speaker 17: recovery and good health. And the community is certainly indebted
45:43
Speaker 17: to him. He's someone that put his life on the
45:45
Speaker 17: line for the communion for Australians and we will always
45:48
Speaker 17: remember what.
45:48
Speaker 3: He did on that day exactly.
45:50
Speaker 2: So much gratitude to him and the other police officers
45:53
Speaker 2: who were there on that day, and several were shot
45:56
Speaker 2: and injured. Alex, thank you very much for joining us,
45:59
Speaker 2: and we might because Alex, remind everyone that you and
46:01
Speaker 2: I are actually writing a book together on the attack
46:05
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46:08
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46:19
Speaker 2: of the stories from that day. All right, still to
46:22
Speaker 2: come Tony Blair's massive backflip, as he now WARN's net
46:26
Speaker 2: zero is hammering voters. Plus President Donald Trump launches a
46:31
Speaker 2: huge lawsuit against the excellent Wall Street Journal. It's after
46:36
Speaker 2: the break, well over to the UK where labor is
46:43
Speaker 2: tearing itself apart over net zero. And have a look
46:45
Speaker 2: at these comments by former Prime Minister Tony Blair.
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Speaker 20: So I particularly identify that, you know, the very large
46:53
Speaker 20: summer money we're spending on net zero, which.
46:56
Speaker 16: I just don't think is the right priority for the country.
46:58
Speaker 20: Now it's coming to terms with this reality. The three
47:05
Speaker 20: biggest emitters of the world today are China, America and
47:09
Speaker 20: Indian Right.
47:11
Speaker 2: And joining me now is Spiked Online editor Tom Slater.
47:14
Speaker 2: Tom quite the backflip from Tony Blair, who in two
47:18
Speaker 2: thousand and five had net zero as one of his
47:20
Speaker 2: election priorities.
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Speaker 27: No, absolutely, Tony Blair giving us lectures on energy policies
47:26
Speaker 27: a bit like fred Rose West given your lectures on
47:28
Speaker 27: child safeguard. He very much set and trained many of
47:32
Speaker 27: the policies that are now crippling us as a country,
47:34
Speaker 27: and his successor, Gordon brown Side the Climate Change Act
47:38
Speaker 27: into law, which, as I say, kind of locked us
47:41
Speaker 27: into many targets which would later be gold plated by
47:44
Speaker 27: successive conservative governments. That being said, a stock clock is right,
47:48
Speaker 27: you know, at least twice a day, and I think
47:51
Speaker 27: this is true of Tony Blair. He's noticed what many
47:53
Speaker 27: people within the Labor Fold are refusing to notice, which
47:56
Speaker 27: is that if we want to be a prosperous country,
47:58
Speaker 27: we cannot have among the highest energy prices in the
48:01
Speaker 27: developed world. And that particularly with all of this excitement
48:04
Speaker 27: and enthusiasm around artificial intelligence, whether that turns out to
48:08
Speaker 27: be a fad or not, we wait and see, it's
48:10
Speaker 27: going to require even more energy to be at the
48:12
Speaker 27: head of that. So once again he's making big trouble
48:15
Speaker 27: for the Labor Party, calling out kirstarmer Ed Milliban other
48:18
Speaker 27: people directly in a way that he hasn't done previously.
48:20
Speaker 27: But he does have a point here, and I think
48:23
Speaker 27: it's telling that the Labor Party don't have an answer
48:25
Speaker 27: to many of the criticisms that he's leveled at them.
48:28
Speaker 2: Tom I have not heard anyone else called artificial intelligence
48:31
Speaker 2: a fad, But I think that will be a conversation
48:34
Speaker 2: for another day, because I really want to get to
48:36
Speaker 2: this news that President Trump is launching a massive, I
48:41
Speaker 2: mean something like ten billion dollar defamation lawsuit. It's refiled
48:45
Speaker 2: this again now against the Wall Street Journal over its
48:48
Speaker 2: reporting on the Epstein files. Now there's been this is
48:54
Speaker 2: quite complicated, but overall, I mean, the Wall Street Journal,
48:57
Speaker 2: in my view, is an excellent publication, particularly it's edit
49:01
Speaker 2: I particularly.
49:02
Speaker 3: Enjoy its editorials. But why is the president suing the media?
49:07
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got the biggest platform in the world.
49:09
Speaker 3: He can have his say.
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Speaker 27: Now, I think that's exactly right, and I think any
49:13
Speaker 27: attempt to strong arm the free press is one that
49:16
Speaker 27: should be resisted, regardless of if we agree with the
49:18
Speaker 27: particular publication or not. And I think, especially where the
49:22
Speaker 27: extem files is concerned, this is something that has, you know,
49:25
Speaker 27: essentially created a bit of distance between Trump and his base,
49:28
Speaker 27: and I think actions like this will only fuel the
49:31
Speaker 27: more critical, to even conspiratorial ends of his support base,
49:34
Speaker 27: who feels like he's got something to hide here. Reporting
49:38
Speaker 27: is not treason, reporting is not illegitimate, and I think
49:42
Speaker 27: Trump would be much better served to, as you say,
49:45
Speaker 27: use his bully pulpit, use his position to make his
49:48
Speaker 27: own claims, push back if he wants to, if he
49:49
Speaker 27: those things are unfair. This just reeks of trying to
49:52
Speaker 27: squelch stories which are uncomfortable for the sitting president, and
49:56
Speaker 27: that not going to do well for him.
49:57
Speaker 3: I don't think very quickly.
49:59
Speaker 2: Jill By has spoken about how she actually thought her
50:03
Speaker 2: husband was having a stroke during that disaster's twenty twenty
50:06
Speaker 2: four debate.
50:07
Speaker 1: His is I don't know what happened.
50:10
Speaker 17: I mean when I as I watched it, I thought,
50:12
Speaker 17: oh my god, he's having a stroke, and it scared
50:15
Speaker 17: me to death.
50:17
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how bad it was.
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Speaker 27: Tom No, absolutely, and she should know. She is a doctor,
50:23
Speaker 27: after all, she Advertiser reminding us. But it's again another indication,
50:27
Speaker 27: isn't it that so many people within the Democrats, within
50:29
Speaker 27: the Biden camp were pretty aware and were confronted, as
50:32
Speaker 27: all Americans were, with just how severe the then president's
50:36
Speaker 27: mental decline was. Yes, he did step down a month
50:39
Speaker 27: after that debate, in which his own wife feared that
50:42
Speaker 27: he might have had a stroke in the course of it.
50:45
Speaker 27: But again reminds us I think of just for how
50:48
Speaker 27: long they papered over the cracks, pretending nothing was going on,
50:51
Speaker 27: gas lit the American public into believing that nothing was wrong.
50:54
Speaker 27: Only now they're coming out of demitting it, and I
50:56
Speaker 27: think that's pretty shameful.
50:57
Speaker 3: To be honest indeed. Alright, Tom Slater, thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Enjoy having you on the show as always, and thank
51:03
Speaker 2: you everyone for your company this week. It's been a
51:05
Speaker 2: big week and so many of you tuned in last
51:08
Speaker 2: night even when it was the state of origin, so
51:10
Speaker 2: thanks so much for that.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you on Monday at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: And right now in the man Cave, here's Paul Murray