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The End Is Just The Beginning With WOLFGANG VAN HALEN · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, welf, how are you Howdy? How's it going good?
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  Speaker 2: My name's Cara. It's so good to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pleasure, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Good had your dave been so far?
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  Speaker 1: It's been nice. It's been good. I've been excited to
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  Speaker 1: talk to y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Alrighty, So you're on the Cusper releasing your third album,
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  Speaker 2: The End on the twenty fourth of October, which is
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  Speaker 2: coming up really quickly. I was actually blasting it before
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  Speaker 2: work this morning at six am, greven and rocking out
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  Speaker 2: with you. It is absolutely magic.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I want to optimistically assume that the title is not
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  Speaker 2: marking the end of Mammoth. It's got another meaning to you,
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  Speaker 2: am I ride?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? No, definitely definitely not. Yeah, it's I just found
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  Speaker 1: that through the writing process. It was definitely just the
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  Speaker 1: idea of the end was sort of coming through a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and it just felt like, you know, with dropping the
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  Speaker 1: WVH and just it being the first titled album, it
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  Speaker 1: just felt like a new area. So the end of
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  Speaker 1: the old, you know, can be a new beginning at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I guess so just felt.
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  Speaker 2: Right the end, but the start of a new era. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: So the End will be your third Albue you've recorded
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  Speaker 2: at the legendary to us, but the second time to
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  Speaker 2: you fifty one fifty Studio. Would you say you're finding
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  Speaker 2: the whole recording and releasing process a lot easier or
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  Speaker 2: do you find each album has its own instead of
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  Speaker 2: like positives and lows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're all pretty similar. They all have
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  Speaker 1: their own challenges this one. Yeah, I think they all
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  Speaker 1: are are sort of their own little mountain to climb,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's at least currently with the last three,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of tough to compare other than maybe the
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  Speaker 1: first one being you know, trying to figure out everything
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  Speaker 1: and that being such a longer process. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm happy with how it turned out. Really
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, as long as I
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  Speaker 1: as I try my best, I think that's all that
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  Speaker 1: really matters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. I mean, you well and truly found
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  Speaker 2: your groove and hopefully those first nerves are all shaken
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  Speaker 2: off down can just really do what you want to do?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a there's a maybe a confidence
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  Speaker 1: now that wasn't there at the beginning, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: being the third time around, I'm a bit more comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with the process, so I think there are elements to
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  Speaker 1: that that sort of bled into the writing and the recording,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak. So yeah, I could see that.
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  Speaker 2: They given the people a taste of your knee album,
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  Speaker 2: releasing the Spell and your self titled track as well
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  Speaker 2: epic film clip.
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  Speaker 1: For the end.
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  Speaker 2: I watched it and I'm like, damn, how can you
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  Speaker 2: tell that you've got Danny Trayer in your opening scene.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you've already done. From Dust Till Dawn was
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  Speaker 2: the first ever DVD I bought.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, I was just and then you got
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  Speaker 2: most companies flash see your mom. Then I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, this is so cool. What's it like
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  Speaker 2: having access to this like anything you want to unleash
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  Speaker 2: your wildest dreams, like, including literally Robert Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that just kind of was a lucky thing
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  Speaker 1: that happened. Honestly, you know, I wasn't even sure if
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  Speaker 1: he was to be interested, But when I showed him
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  Speaker 1: the song and I told him my idea, it was
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  Speaker 1: really excited, and it really it was his passion and
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  Speaker 1: his excitement for the whole process that was so contagious
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  Speaker 1: and just caused it to be such a fun, fun thing.
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  Speaker 1: Man Like it was. It was two days, but it was.
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  Speaker 1: It just didn't It was a lot of work, but
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  Speaker 1: it was so much fun that it really just didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like work. It just felt like you were hanging
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  Speaker 1: out with all your friends doing something fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the vibe to it too. I think
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  Speaker 2: every time you watch it a little easter eggs I
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  Speaker 2: was like, my god, this is so cool. So let's
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  Speaker 2: jumped back to twenty twenty one for a second. You've
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  Speaker 2: just unleashed Mammoth WBH into the world. You've hit Billboard shuts,
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  Speaker 2: got a Grammy nomination, and you sell at your shows,
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  Speaker 2: so you've really got a high trajectory. There is that
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  Speaker 2: absolutely fucking terrifying when you're thinking about releasing albums after that,
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  Speaker 2: or how do you kind of keep that momentum out totally?
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  Speaker 1: It's absolutely crazy. I think, you know, all I can
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  Speaker 1: do is just keep doing what I'm doing. So at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to kind of
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  Speaker 1: set it aside and try and keep your doubts and
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  Speaker 1: worries somewhere else while you try to I don't know
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes that can help, you know, you can. It's
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  Speaker 1: you know, writing music is a really therapeutic thing for me,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm always you know, working through stuff lyrically, so
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  Speaker 1: it can definitely be a good way of dealing with it.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of touching on those feelings, I want to commend
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  Speaker 2: you for how you carry yourself, because for any normal person,
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  Speaker 2: going out on stage and performing is scary enough. You've
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  Speaker 2: got every armchair musician, keyboard warrior, people who respect your
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  Speaker 2: legendary dad, and they have this expectation of you and
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  Speaker 2: who you're meant to be. How do you go out
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  Speaker 2: there and just handle it like an absolute boss and
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  Speaker 2: block out those voices from them?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just try to keep my head down
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  Speaker 1: and try to just be the best I can be.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think I think overall, I mean, everybody
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  Speaker 1: can have criticism to some extent to whatever anybody's doing.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I'm proud of what I'm doing, and
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  Speaker 1: I like that I'm not you know, I think it'd
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  Speaker 1: be one thing if I was like playing van Halen
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  Speaker 1: stuff and striping everything and saying this is that is
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  Speaker 1: the only place you can hear Panama and shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, it's I never want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I would rather My dad had a really good quote
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  Speaker 1: during a I think it was the press for or whenever.
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  Speaker 1: It was after they recorded Diver Down the Van Halen
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  Speaker 1: album and had a couple of cover songs on there,
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  Speaker 1: and Dad didn't want to do that, and his line was,
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd rather bomb with my own material than
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  Speaker 1: succeed with somebody else's. And so I very much attribute that.
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  Speaker 1: That's like a core tendant to what Mammoth is. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I would rather, you know, play for five
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  Speaker 1: people then play for you know, two thousand people. Fit
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  Speaker 1: I had to play van hal And music, I'd rather
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  Speaker 1: be my own person and musician.
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  Speaker 2: So that's it. So, like you, I was born in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties, making us legends by nature also means that
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  Speaker 2: we are outdated Google, so gen z is probably think
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  Speaker 2: we're anciently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever somebody says we were born in the late
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  Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds that it's like, well, that's technically true. That's
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  Speaker 1: very painful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that hurts. Sorry, thanks for that. Yeah, I never
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  Speaker 2: thought of it that way, but yees. So I do feel.
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  Speaker 1: Thankful.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to pick your brain about your thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: AI and technology. Like we've seen it boom over our lifetime,
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  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on using it in music and
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  Speaker 2: what do you think the outcome will be for years
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  Speaker 2: to come.
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  Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it so much. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's fucking disgusting. It's not only destroying the planet, but
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  Speaker 1: destroying creativity and make you know, not everybody needs to
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  Speaker 1: be able to do everything. You know. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: be able to be good at something to do something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And so I don't know, there's just not
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  Speaker 1: any soul or or or heart behind it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just a it's really bleak on on
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  Speaker 1: on what may happen from this. I just think like
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't make it just makes hot dogs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's it's just all the gross stuff and just
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  Speaker 1: it's just none of it's real. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a I should be used to like
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  Speaker 1: be putting you know, mufflers on the cars and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It should be doing the menial things, not actually the
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  Speaker 1: creative stuff. Like leave the creative stuff to the brains
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  Speaker 1: and the souls and the hearts instead of the robot, So.
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  Speaker 2: That means so much more comming from a guy who
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  Speaker 2: actually takes the time to learn all the instruments. The
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  Speaker 2: production puts on all the hats and does the hard work.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a big thing. We you know, we have
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  Speaker 1: this headline tour we're doing in the States. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely want to make sure we can get out
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  Speaker 1: to Australia as soon as possible. But we have a
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  Speaker 1: screen this time, and so we're making content for it,
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  Speaker 1: and it's every single day. I'm like, there's no AI
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  Speaker 1: being used for this. There is no generative bullshit, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have every artist's name so I can say it at
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  Speaker 1: the show and be like, hey, you know, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: what you're seeing tonight is made by these people, and
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  Speaker 1: there's no generative AI used. Because that's tough, don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: That is exactly the answer that I wanted to hear.
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  Speaker 2: That's fucking awesome. Yeah, a lot more people should be
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  Speaker 2: thinking this way as well. Yeah, absolutely kind of tying
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  Speaker 2: into that. When I hear one of your songs on
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  Speaker 2: the radio, I appreciate the fact that there's a future
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  Speaker 2: for authentic rock and roll, you know, the kind of
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  Speaker 2: stuff I grew up with and I absolutely adore. And
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  Speaker 2: I think if your songs are reaching me and my
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  Speaker 2: car when I'm driving around, they're also reaching the little
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  Speaker 2: kid down the road sitting in the car with mom
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  Speaker 2: and dad. I want a guitar, like this is what
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  Speaker 2: I want to do and start his journey. I know
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  Speaker 2: you come up as a very humble guy, but do
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  Speaker 2: you ever sit there and think about the impact that
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  Speaker 2: your music is going to have on the world for
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  Speaker 2: this years to come.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a that's a very kind notion,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's a subjective thing. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: really I'm my own worst critic for sure, So I
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  Speaker 1: really it takes you know, people actually saying it to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know that like, oh, you know that this music
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  Speaker 1: got me through our time, or you know I started
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  Speaker 1: playing guitar because I heard this song and stuff, And
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  Speaker 1: that's that's a really cool thing to be able to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because at the end of the day, I
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  Speaker 1: make the I think any artists should be making music
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  Speaker 1: for themselves. They should be making what's true to themselves.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest, most gratifying bonus to that process is
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  Speaker 1: somebody else outside of your bubble finding some purpose in
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  Speaker 1: it and some joy in it. And so whenever that happens,
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  Speaker 1: it's a really crazy thing. You know, being able to tour,
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  Speaker 1: just being able to tour it all as a new
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  Speaker 1: rock band in twenty twenty five and having people show
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  Speaker 1: up is a thing I'm very grateful for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. So in terms of picking up and
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  Speaker 2: learning how to play instruments, I believe you were kind
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  Speaker 2: of like given the instruments did in the right direction,
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  Speaker 2: rather than having your handheld every step of the way.
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  Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody I can understand that. It's easy
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  Speaker 1: for people to think that, oh, my uncle must have
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  Speaker 1: taught me drums, and my dad must have taught me guitar.
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  Speaker 1: My dad taught me how to play Highway to Hell
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  Speaker 1: on drums, and that was the thing he taught me,
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  Speaker 1: and al never taught me anything. So I'm self taught
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  Speaker 1: pretty much. It was just about, you know, I looked
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  Speaker 1: up the tabs to chop silly by system of a
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  Speaker 1: down like everybody else. So it was you know, you
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  Speaker 1: just hear something you like and you learn how to
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  Speaker 1: play it and that's really you just got to follow
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  Speaker 1: that drive, I guess. And at this point, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: thirty four, I've I've been playing guitar for twenty two years.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope I'm at least kind of good. If
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  Speaker 1: I can make it through a song that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: for twenty two years, you should be able to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. I think that's clear. That kind of
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  Speaker 2: like strengthened your relationship with your music and your confidence
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  Speaker 2: and allowed you to create a space to kind of
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  Speaker 2: explore more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what Mammoth is from its from
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  Speaker 1: its inception, was my my little exploratory musical space. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think people forget that. I you know, I've I've
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  Speaker 1: done the band thing before. I've I've played with Dad,
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  Speaker 1: I played in a band with Mark GREMANI I had
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  Speaker 1: I had an a band in high school. You know
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  Speaker 1: that never you know, we were just playing for ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, and so Mammoth was sort of my
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  Speaker 1: escape and my my sort of thing where I was
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  Speaker 1: writing my own stuff. And and it's since become what
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  Speaker 1: it what it has, and I don't know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: very much. It's it's a process. I really enjoy. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's why I still play everything. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun and it's just fun to be able to
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  Speaker 1: attack the whole songwriting process from every musician, from every
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  Speaker 1: every instrument, so to speak. So I don't know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: I don't. Initially it was just a challenge because I
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  Speaker 1: really liked the first Foo Fighters album and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see if I could do that. And now that
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  Speaker 1: this is a third album, I guess this is just
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  Speaker 1: how how a mammoth album is made. And it's just fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you can hear it like I was having
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  Speaker 2: to listen this morning, and there's just this drive and
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  Speaker 2: fun and it's just it's it's live. It's not musically,
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  Speaker 2: but the feeling that it gives you. You can feel
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  Speaker 2: it coming across through the record, and it's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell you're doing what you love, and you
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  Speaker 2: know if you don't love what you're doing, and then
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  Speaker 2: you stop right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least that's that's what you hope you'd be
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  Speaker 1: able to.
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  Speaker 2: So coming from a heavy magazine, I have to ask.
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  Speaker 2: You've spoken in the past about having like a love
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  Speaker 2: for the heavy kind of music, which can translate into
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  Speaker 2: your songs. A couple of songs on there are like
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  Speaker 2: a breakdown and a China smash away from being metal.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever explored that kind of sight of your
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  Speaker 2: vocal or have you ever thought about doing a project?
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  Speaker 1: I always wanted every friend I have that can do
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  Speaker 1: like harsher vocals, I always ask like, how the hell
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  Speaker 1: do you do that, and they're always like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, I really at this point, it's like
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  Speaker 1: I need to be able to tour and sing, so
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  Speaker 1: I think any attempt at trying to do that would
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  Speaker 1: end up fucking my voice up. But down the line,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I know what There was
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  Speaker 1: a new mus song where he does like a growl,
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  Speaker 1: which was really crazy, So who knows. Maybe we'll have
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  Speaker 1: some sort of breakdown at some point, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's really a conscious effort to like be, hey, let's
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  Speaker 1: have this song be like My Sugar, Let's have this
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  Speaker 1: song be like tool something. But it just kind of
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  Speaker 1: comes out, you know. I think on the on the
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  Speaker 1: second album, the bridge to the first song, right like,
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  Speaker 1: that's very like My Sugar coming out and double kick
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  Speaker 1: pattern and stuff. But it's always within the lens of
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  Speaker 1: what mammoth is you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe maybe it'll get heavier at some point.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm happy with where it is right now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, one day you do a fry scream or
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  Speaker 2: were like he did ahead, Yeah, absolutely. When you're jumping
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  Speaker 2: in the studio and you're recording and playing and singing
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  Speaker 2: each part, how do you not nick pick the shit
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  Speaker 2: out of yourself? Because I feel if there's other band
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  Speaker 2: members in there, you kind of have that space to
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  Speaker 2: have eerr and you're a bit more lenient. Like for me,
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  Speaker 2: I would struggle with not being a control freaking I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing that again.
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  Speaker 1: My producer, Elvis Basquet, he is the mad He's the
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  Speaker 1: one that helps keep me from going completely insane. It
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  Speaker 1: takes me, It takes Elvis, Jeff our engineer, and Josh
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  Speaker 1: Elvis is assistant. The four of us in the studio,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of have this familial bond now so to speak,
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  Speaker 1: being three albums in together, and so it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: great to have these people that I can trust outside
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  Speaker 1: of my own stuff, you know, in my own insecurities
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  Speaker 1: that like if they think it's good, I know that
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  Speaker 1: it's it's something that if I'm in a better headspace
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  Speaker 1: on another day, I'd probably be okay with too, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So having them be confident and can they can Elvis
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  Speaker 1: can see the bigger picture better than I can, so
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  Speaker 1: he's a very important part of that whole whole process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to have those people in your corner,
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  Speaker 2: always talking back off the ledge and kind out down
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  Speaker 2: the track and go you know what. That keeps that thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. It takes a while kind of step outside.
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  Speaker 1: I get I get a little lost sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, as we all do, well, we pretty much
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  Speaker 2: have to wrap up now. But I just want to
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  Speaker 2: say that I've had the fledge to Australia is really shit.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't done one do you want to say? But
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  Speaker 2: there's fancy that was sacrificed the Organs to have you play.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't do that. Please don't do that, but I
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  Speaker 1: will We're gonna. I mean, I'm a big fan of
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  Speaker 1: Australia in general, and you know some of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: bands are from Australia. Carnival, you know, one of them,
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  Speaker 1: to Speak sound Away because like my favorite album of
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  Speaker 1: all time. So I definitely have an appreciation not only
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  Speaker 1: for the music over there, but I just want to
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  Speaker 1: get over there so bad, So I know. Uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a tough things as a new band to be
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  Speaker 1: able to, you know, go worldwide. You know, we've been
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  Speaker 1: lucky to go to Europe a couple of times by
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  Speaker 1: opening for bands and stuff. But it's really just a
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  Speaker 1: matter of finding that opportunity and as soon as we do,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be out there. It's not like we're sitting here
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  Speaker 1: going like we're not going to go there. I want
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  Speaker 1: to believe me, so uh, you know, on this album cycle,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be able to finally get out there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, and we'll be here with open arms pretty for you.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, it was an absolute pleasure talking with
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  Speaker 2: you mate. Thank you so much for taking the time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: All the best of everything you two by.
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  Speaker 1: Oh thank you.