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Audio:Breaking Free from Conformity | Eye Opener Society Podcast on Obedience, Creativity & Finding Your Voice · Eye Opener Society

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witch podcast and echo aura productions and today
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I am here of course with my lovely uh co-host Lizzie and Lizzie and I we were
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talking and every now and then you know Lizzie throws me some little curveballs
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here and there and she sent me this here video that showed a social experiment
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to break it down real quick.
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It was done where this girl was the test subject.
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Everybody else was in on it and they're inside of like an office setting and
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every now and then a bell would ring.
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Every time that bell would ring, everyone would stand up.
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At first, this girl, the test subject, she doesn't know what's going on,
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but she's looking around.
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But after a while, every time the bell rang, everybody stood up, she started to stand up.
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And now she was conditioned. So as everybody left and she was there,
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a new test subject walked in, the bell would ring, she would stand up and the
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guy would look at her like, what the hell are you doing?
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She goes, oh, well, everybody else was doing it. So I thought we had to do it.
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So I looked at this and I said, this is a podcast episode because I think right
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now Now, with everything going on, I think life has become a social experiment, I feel.
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What about you there, Lizzie? You don't want to send me this.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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Oh, yeah. I think this plays into so many different things. And it's so subliminal.
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Like in that study after she leaves, because she goes into her co-appointment, right?
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He keeps standing up and the next people come in and nobody has any idea.
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And I feel like this is how we operate from public school, social order in a grocery store.
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Everybody just kind of like looks around and then
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follows like what they're supposed to be
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doing or they perceive to be doing yeah it's
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i'm thinking more you know when
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it comes to all the mainstream media and when they're feeding us narratives
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those narratives are basically social experiments as well to get you to conform
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to a certain way of thinking because i think somebody's trying to turn off the
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switch for free thinking inside of people's minds.
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I think every time somebody tries to speak something that's probably more logical,
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or even if it's not logical, or even if it's just a matter of opinion, you're wrong.
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Because it's not following that social experiment that's going on.
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And it becomes dangerous after a while, because this is one way to destroy everyone's freedoms.
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I don't care what country you're from, your freedoms are now taken away when
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you're being told which way to think.
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And then they bring in the thought police on top of that.
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Yeah, I didn't realize I was going to go into the public school system,
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but maybe that's like the perfect thing because they get you when you're so
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young and you're conditioned to do all of this extra work.
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And a lot of times kids don't even understand what they're learning until after they've learned it.
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And I think that that's just kind of what we do at home and just kind of everywhere.
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I didn't, I don't know, I didn't really think about it that until just barely, but.
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Well that's what happens you see because again
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it's thinking it's free thinking so you'll
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send me a video like that and i can interpret it one of five different ways
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because it is a social experiment and these social experiments have been going
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on for a long time there are actual um a few of them ashes conformity experiments
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that studied how individuals conform to group pressure,
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even when the group's answer is clearly wrong.
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So a group would keep saying the wrong answer, even though clear, like five plus two is 19.
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And everybody in the room would say it's 19, but any normal logical thinking
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person, that's not correct.
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It's seven. But after hearing the wrong answer so many times,
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they start answering 19.
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So that's just, again, it's, it's this kind Kind of like a peer pressure thing,
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but nobody wants to appear wrong.
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Nobody wants to stand up and have a different voice.
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They did the Bandora's Bobo doll experiment. That's when the younger kids were
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exposed to adults beating up this Bobo doll.
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Oh, I've seen that one. Yeah. So this way, now the impression is kids.
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When the kids alone with that Bobo doll, what do they do?
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They wind up lashing out against that doll So that was another social experiment
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That one probably not too bad Because yeah that's showing something That we
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should be exposed to That you know and that one Uh.
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People don't really realize it. I walked in a couple of months ago.
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My baby is a pretty tiny baby and we've got a baby doll that was maybe like
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two inches smaller than her.
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And my older daughter's having so much fun just flinging the baby around,
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watching the baby hit the ground, you know, trying to play with my baby.
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And I just walked in and I was like completely horrified.
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I was like, that is the same size as the baby that you're watching right now.
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Like, what are you normalizing in her brain and you
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know of course my 10 year old was just like I'm flinging the baby doll it's
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a baby doll but like for me that's because that's what everything about a baby
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is doing is absorbing absolutely everything and the things that you normalize
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the things you show them that's what they want to engage in and that's where these patterns start.
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Interesting observation yeah that is true so that's why some of these social
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experiments are probably beneficial because it shows, hey, you know,
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here's what kids are, you know, viewing us as adults.
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They're impressionable. They're going to mimic what we do. So yeah,
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the Bobo doll experiment, probably a little bit, you know, more educational.
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The Milgram experiments where they explored how and why people obey authority,
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even when it conflicts with their personal conscious.
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This is the one where they were
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administering electrical shocks to people Under the guise of authority,
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And they didn't care How much pain that person was going through As long as
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that authority was saying Oh it's okay, they're not in pain This is not harmful
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They will keep pushing that button.
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Even the ones who seemed to have a problem with it and felt bad,
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they still just kept pushing the budget.
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Even though nobody was really being shocked, just in case anybody hadn't heard
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that, it was just like the sounds of it.
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But the person pushing it had
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no idea there was not really a person on the other side not being shocked.
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I don't know the name of the study, but I also saw one where this teacher pulled
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a couple of students aside and told them about what she was going to do.
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And then she brings everybody into the classroom and
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she basically invites this like open discussion
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for like a new rule of the classroom or whatever
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and so the students she'd pulled aside uh stand up and like say something like
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an argument of what she's saying but like very politely and she just starts
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yelling at them and sends them to the principal's office and then turns back
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to the rest of the class talks a little bit more everybody agrees with her they
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all write a very lengthy essay on why she's correct.
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And even though she was very obviously wrong, like the rule didn't really necessarily
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make sense, but everybody just saw what happened when you disagreed.
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And so they just disagreed without even thinking about it.
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Yep. And then a little before I came on here with you, I seen one where this
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woman was walking around and they were like on a bridge, like on a sidewalk
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where a pedestrian bridge and And people would stop and look over the bridge.
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She would just walk by and she'd go, oh, there's no standing on the bridge.
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And they would look at her like, get out of here, Lee. Same woman puts on a
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high visibility vest and carrying a clipboard, goes up to these people.
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Oh, there's no standing here on the bridge.
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Oh, I'm so sorry. And then people keep walking on.
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So the reflection of authority through a vest and a clipboard makes people suddenly now,
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obey ridiculous rules so yeah
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so these experiments really it
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makes me think of myself like and i'm not
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to sit here brag or you know or you know make it seem like you know this is
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the right thing but i grew up as a black sheep of the family you know uh because
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i went outside of all the conventional thinking and it started with school i
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never i went to school every day i didn't go to class I got out of every class.
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I found more freedom and more learning from friends and in the street than I
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did in the confines of a structured classroom.
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I never liked the rules and the regulations and sitting with a bunch of people
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learning on different levels than I was and to be giving assignments that are the same for everybody.
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I like to explore things in a different way. I
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used to have an English teacher that I thought was the best and
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the worst at the same time and she literally was the worst
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English teacher but the assignments that she gave made you
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think and they were creative and it sparked something
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in me and it sparked something in my friend we were the teacher's
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pet pests not pets but pests
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and we destroyed this woman's life but
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at the same time with so
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many things that she gave us to do as
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far as an assignment Like It was English class It was Macbeth I think it was
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With the Shakespeare And all And me It was not something I was into But the
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Assignment for the class Was Think of Macbeth Operating in modern day You know.
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Create something with that. Oh, Christ. My buddy and I, we decided right away,
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okay, we're going to be news reporters covering the whole Macbeth murder.
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And just like I set up my studio in Out of Pocket, we went all out.
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And we're talking the 80s, so it was much bigger equipment and all.
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I had half my room just covered sound effects, microphones, cassette tapes.
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I sat edited this tape and him and I, we presented it together and we were news
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reporters and we had all the background noise going on and we submitted it and
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we heard nothing from her, nothing, not even a grade.
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And that tape was lost. And again, it was, it was an assignment given.
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We're following the protocol. We were doing what we were told.
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We were told to be creative.
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Once we were creative, if we were the demons, we were the evil ones,
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you know, we were cast out.
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And I think from there, I understood what was really going on.
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And that's why I became that black sheep, not to be a pain in anybody's ass,
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but to follow a path of free thinking rather than following the norms of everyday society.
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Cause I seen at a young age, exactly what that does.
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Cause I took so much pride in something and I was actually proud.
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I was like, Ooh, for the first time in my life, I'm actually going to get a
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great grade, even though, you know, as much as I hated going to school,
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I was proud of that, but I was never given anything for it. No kudos, nothing.
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It was always, you're doing wrong. You're not doing right.
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But you were never doing right. Only a select few people that were following the rules 100%.
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They were the ones that were always getting the good grades and they were always
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the one getting the kudos and the gold stars or whatever it may be.
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And that one's a little loaded because the right things are a little subjective.
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Because you're supposed to do it. You're supposed to do it right on time,
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right? But you're also supposed to understand it without asking questions.
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But if you don't understand it, you should ask questions. But ask the right
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questions at the right time when you're not going to annoy somebody.
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This is just like a little circle of like okay and
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that's why you've really just got to do
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it messy whatever it is that you think you want to
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be doing just do it and fuck it up if that's what you're gonna do because when
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you come out of that now oh well now you know more because if you just wait
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for everybody else to tell you when to stand up when to be you know it's beeping
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or whatever you're gonna be following everybody else's rhythm and you're just
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gonna feel like chaos forever at some point,
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you've got to find your own little flow there, and then you'll know what to build off of.
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And it expands even further. It goes from school and learning and my whole religious
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journey too. Same thing.
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Religion is nothing more than conformity.
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It's a whole playbook that you've got to play page by page, and you've got to
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sit, stand, kneel, stand, sit, sit, kneel.
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And that was the Catholic religion when you're going to church. Same thing.
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Replayed itself over and over again. There was nothing new. Couldn't question anything.
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Don't question God, God forbid. We question God, you know, and that's what turned
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me off because that reminds me of school.
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And no matter what I would have believed in and what path I would have went
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on, I never felt that there was a problem with asking questions.
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But when you start asking questions that go against the narrative.
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They don't have an answer for it. So you're now the wrong one.
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You're now the evil one. You're not following the rules again.
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You're not playing by the religion.
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You're not saying, well, God said it is. Well, that's not good enough for me.
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That sounds pretty bad, but no, it does not sound good enough for me.
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There needs to be some sort of explanation behind things and why we're doing things.
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And if I felt that by not doing something, I still feel more fulfilled that
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way, why should that be a problem?
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Why should that be an issue? But this is where the social standards,
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the social norms all come into play.
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And just from that one video you sent me, that's just one. And then these are
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all the known experiments.
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But what about the unknown experiments? And don't tell me that there aren't
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any, because I know there are.
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There's experiments going on every single day to find out how much are we going to conform.
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And then they'll release stuff little by little to test their theories.
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And good case in point with that, the whole 2020 COVID thing with the bullshit
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about the masks and all this stuff, it goes against the very grains of what
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we were taught with medical stuff.
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A mask is not going to save you. It's not.
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But what it really was about, how many people are going to listen to us and
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do this and follow the stupid arrows on the grocery store floors,
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you know, and that somehow that's going to stop a virus, you know.
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But these are the social norms that were put into place in a very,
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very short period of time.
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And then it found out just how many people are actually listening,
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obeying and following this way.
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Somebody could sit there and take notes and we become that social experiment.
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Well, everything in society teaches us to just follow along and not to think about it yourself.
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Whatever it is that your decision is, I think the most important thing to do
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is to start letting your kids talk back to you.
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It sounds really funny to the other people when I tell my daughter something
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and she starts saying, well, no, I don't think that's fair because of these reasons.
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And I go, oh, actually, you're right. I do usually give you a 10 minute warning.
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And this time I'm just throwing like three more things on you.
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It at this time. And so you're right. Let's, let's like switch it and do it a different way.
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And then to a lot of people that seems so unusual because like you told your
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daughter something, she should just do it.
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And it's like, well, I shouldn't, if I want her to grow into being an adult,
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who's not going to just take that from her boss or her significant other or
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her landlord or whatever, if I want her to question the world,
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I'm her first authority.
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So she should probably learn how to safely and comfortably, you know, question my authority.
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Sometimes she's right. I don't think about it, you know?
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Wow. And that, that's beautiful. I really love that.
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You see, I've never really raised kids, so I don't really know, but that's amazing.
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It's amazing that you see it on that level because yeah,
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that's, that's where people are
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really getting their mindset it from is from a young age and how they are raised
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yeah you're not going to teach them yeah well because somebody said something
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you got to do it regardless who that person is you know there may be a few instances
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like you know don't touch that fucking stove you know what i mean it's,
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consequences yeah consequences and outcomes right i i'm trying to save you from
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the consequences But by all means, if you get burned, you're going to learn. But you're right.
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The parents are still in that social norm. They're being trained to do what they were trained to do.
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And nobody wants to break out of that because these same people will be the
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same ones that say, yeah, how do you do that? Why do you allow your daughter to do that?
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But yeah, well, why do you? And why do you talk out against,
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you know, the social norms or, you know, everybody wants to be free,
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but nobody, everybody wants to be free until it's time to become free.
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And then they, they cower, they run away. They want to do.
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Everything again, the way they were taught to do it. It's because it's easier
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when you can look around and see examples, you know?
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And I think part of that does come off of biology. We were also talking about
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the, like the hundred monkey study where they gave tools to the monkeys on an
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island and the young monkeys learned how to do it. The older monkeys refused to.
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Well, after like a couple of generations, the islands that are like completely unattached,
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they start doing it because there's this collective consciousness this
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wisdom that people can pull from but it takes the
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new generation who's like willing to look beyond what
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they're seeing as an example and try new things to
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do it and i think when you can learn
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how to look around and appreciate everything that's being given but not as a
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rule that's when you start getting to tap into like your inner knowing versus
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like trying to piece it all together and what you see because if you try to
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take inner knowing from what you see, you'll probably just drive yourself crazy.
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Yeah. And we can keep expanding this conversation on and on because we fail
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with advancement in society if we're allowing everybody to be closed-minded.
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Because it's like that, I'll take the medical field, for example,
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doctors are taught one way. Well, because this is the way it's taught, this is the way it goes.
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And if some brilliant mind comes in and sees things a completely different way,
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And it goes against the medical advisory committee.
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Oh, you can't do it. We can't do that. This is beyond the norm.
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Well, maybe you need to be beyond that norm in order to come up with something
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new, a new way to develop, you know, whether it be a medicine or,
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you know, a way to treat something.
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But if you're not willing to listen and you're not willing to give people a
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chance or at least start the studies on, nothing's going to advance in society.
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This is why artists are so low on the chain of education because art is so free
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to express and you can do whatever you want with it,
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but it's never applied anywhere because it's too free thinking.
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Nobody wants a free thinker in any type of structured type of environment.
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It's not being properly valued.
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Right, exactly. So we get stuck, we really do.
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And every time I think people get a idea in their head.
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They don't want to express it. They don't want to, you know,
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bring it out because they're too worried that, oh, well, this is outside the social norm.
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We're not supposed to think this way, but it's really a great idea.
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And I really thought it out and it will help, but we're never going to get that
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out. We're never going to be able to express it.
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And that's why I don't want censorship.
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I don't want conformity. I just want free thinkers.
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That's all. let me hear somebody who has a different way of thinking than me
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so I can learn something from that.
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And it could just go on and on and on from there. And I think then we'll have a beautiful world.
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But until then, we're kind of stuck with the constant bombardment of rules,
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regulations, conformities, policy, procedure.
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With that, I think then we have to be open to people messing up and not behaving
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the way that we think they should and, you know,
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opening ourselves to other people's perspectives because as equally as everybody
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else needs to grow and stuff like we do too,
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and we're all going to find that as everybody becomes more authentic and quits
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going with this, the standing up with the beeping, it's going to look really messy.
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It's going to probably look a little ugly, but it's all going to settle out
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into a much more beautiful collective rhythm, I think. It will.
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Just like you with your chaos, except for today, your chaos is beautiful.
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And I admire you. Yes, I'd look at it. Yeah. But, you know, it's admirable, though.
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It's something that can be viewed as seeing things from a different perspective
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and understanding how another individual can work, you know?
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So, yeah, the stroke of that paintbrush is so wide, so vivid, and so colorful.
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We could pick out any little color in there, any different texture in there,
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whatever it is, and we could apply it to something, but we don't.
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We want that rigid, clean, solid line.
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We don't want to paint outside the lines anymore. We just want to be dumb adults
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that just listen to whatever's told to us.
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I think that's actually why I have such a hard time at the moment with my energy
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work is because I stopped trying to find a nice little perfect map for everybody
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because now I just want to teach people to basically paint their own energy
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because I think that's just really the most beautiful way to do it.
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But people struggle with that. They want somebody to explain how it's supposed
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to operate. And it's just not that simple. We're all just so different. it.
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I got it. And that's why I said, we keep taking this conversation down so many
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roads, because I would love to discuss that too, because in the same field that
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we are kind of in, this whole spirituality and helping others,
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I've turned my focus again to, you need to help yourself.
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I can be here. I can guide, I can help, but ultimately the help,
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you have to make the change. You have to apply it.
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I can give you different tools, different ideas, apply it to yourself and how it works for you.
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Because I don't want to give a rigid, structured learning thing,
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you know, saying, oh, well, in order to meditate, you have to do it this way,
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this way, this way, A, B, and then C.
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Nobody wants that. That's not meditation. Meditation is what you make of it.
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You have to find the time. Don't tell me I don't have time to meditate.
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That's a you problem. them. Find the time to meditate.
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Once you do, I could give you different ways of doing it. You pick the one that
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works for you. And I'm sure same thing with your work too, as well.
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You know, especially when we're talking with energy work, everybody's tuned
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in on a different frequency.
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You can't dial into frequency 81 from frequency 60, you know,
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you have to tell frequency 81 to do what you're doing.
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You know, here's the ways to correct and make improvements. You know,
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we could fine tune you, but don't look at me for the answers and how to write
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it out, spell it out to you, because now it's going to become conformative,
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something we don't want.
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I'm just supposed to remind you of an option.
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You know what I mean? A way back to yourself. One of many, many, many ways.
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Yes, it is. So I'm hoping now everybody can just get an idea of,
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you know, the social experimentation that we are. We are the experiment.
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Us black sheep and the ones that stand up, the ones that have a voice and are
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not afraid to use it, those are the ones that I want to stand by because they're
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the ones that have the real answers.
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They're the ones that are marching to the beat of their own drum.
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They're the ones that are seen beyond all of this conformity and normalities
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that just aren't real Because when we were put here on the planet,
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we were just put here to, you know, grow and develop.
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And whichever direction we go is the direction we go.
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Now we're placing too many walls up and too many obstacles.
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And, you know, we're being told to do too much stuff that just doesn't apply to that.
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And we're not allowed to develop that way, you know, and it's not a physical development.
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It's a mental development as far as how we're going to expand our minds.
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Because our minds are capable of so much more than what we really know.
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And there's a key somewhere that can unlock new worlds.
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Those keys have been hidden from us. And I'm pretty sure they were hidden from
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us for a reason because they do not want us to have that sort of power.
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And I'm going to leave it at that. What are your last words, Lizzie?
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Well, I agree with all of that, except if they did hide it, it would still have
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to be in you so just reconnect with yourself it's nowhere but just you.
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That's why I like working with you. You know exactly what's in my mind.
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Yeah, that key is in every single one of us. They hide it, but they hide it within us.
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So for everybody listening, find your key, find your soul, find your voice,
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find your art, find your creativity, and damn it, go out there and express it.
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Break out of the box that you're in.
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Break outside the lines and do something that's going to piss them off.
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Do something that you were told not to do.
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Don't harm anybody doing it Don't harm yourself That's the only rules that we
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should be following But go out there and be creatively free Become a free thinker
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Don't worry about what other people are telling you And don't forget to tune into all of our podcasts.
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We also now have Hannah Rose's The Sound Within She's doing fantastic I got
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a bunch of episodes from her Another beautiful soul And another great podcast
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alongside of Anlon's Haunted and Waiting, Sunset Child's Out There podcast,
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and Elaine's Arcane Oracle.
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And now even the OG Hannah, my stepdaughter, has Hannah's unrealistic desires,
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and they will pop up whenever she gets the reason or need to put one out there
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because she is not one of the conformative ones as well.
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So you'll get a podcast from her whenever she decides to have a podcast.
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So everybody, thank you again for listening. Lizzie, thank you,
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of course, for being here with me. It's always a pleasure.
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And we're going to be planning up our next big one. It's probably going to be
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another group conversation with Hannah Rose.