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Thug Notes · Critique-Opolis

• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: What's up my well red ballers?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode of Critique Opolis with your favorite brown kid Louisa and your favorite white chocolate bunny Jay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today I tripped across this maybe eight months ago.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: It is an old web series.
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  SPEAKER_02: I shouldn't say old from 2013.
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  SPEAKER_02: Till 2017, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thug Notes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Thug Notes is a short, about six or seven minute episodic series by comedian Greg, what's his last name?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sparks.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's Greg Sparks?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who takes on the persona of Sparky Sweets, PhD, who is, for lack of a better word, um a street gang thug type.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Greg Edwards.
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  SPEAKER_02: Greg Edwards.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sparky Sweets is his pseudonym.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Greg Edwards is a comedian who created this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Actually, it wasn't his creation.
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  SPEAKER_02: He his uh character is Sparky Sweets, but there's a surprise.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought he did the whole thing on his own.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a combination of four people Greg Edwards, Jared Bauer, who is the show creator, Joseph Salvaggio, who's the co-writer and academic advisor with a master's degree in classics, and Jacob Salomon, producer involved via Napkin Note Productions and Wisecrack.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Thug Notes is a short six-minute, six to eight minute recap.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like a visual recap in the vein of what are those yellow books called?
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  SPEAKER_02: Cliff Notes?
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  SPEAKER_02: Spark notes.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, Cliff Notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Cliff Notes, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cliff Notes for classical uh works of classical literature.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Greg does it, he does recaps in a like a streetwise with in streetwise uh vernacular or um what is the the African American um they they termed it something in here?
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  SPEAKER_02: AAVE.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I saw that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what that was, actually.
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  SPEAKER_02: What do they call it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um look that up, but it's um African American slang slang, street slang, and they use it to retell the stories of whatever piece of piece of classical literature he's reviewing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we looked at he has done 160 different titles, both any of the films he's done, I think, have been writ with have were books first.
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  SPEAKER_02: Most of them, anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, did he review movies too?
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  SPEAKER_02: Books that became some books that became a lot of these works were movies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, true.
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  SPEAKER_02: We looked at Fahrenheit 451, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was the other one I sent you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I sent you he's done a bunch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, a Clockwork Orange.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you saw that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um Sense and Sensibility of Mice and Men.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did he do Sense and Sensibility?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I've gotten to it yet, but he did um Catcher in the Rye.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Great Gatsby.
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  SPEAKER_02: Great Gatsby.
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  SPEAKER_02: Romeo and Juliet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what I found interesting, because I walked into this as soon as I got back from market.
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• 4:47
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  SPEAKER_02: So I walked in when you were listening to the recap of the notebook that you put together on this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And apparently there's a number of universities who, in their classics department, in the syllabi, are using thug notes as reference material.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's bigger than I thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was really curious about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like when you this is why I prefer for you to do the the notebook, is because I know with in the way that you put stuff together, a lot of my questions are gonna be answered.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't really have to ask them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the first one I was I didn't know how to put it into words was you can hear me okay, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very well.
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  SPEAKER_02: You the first one I was curious about was these are like cliff notes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are these a way of for a student to sidestep reading the actual text?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sort of a like a you know, a shortcut around reading the actual text, just to get the the base idea of the text and you know, not necessarily absorb it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But there's a number of works that Sparky Sweets is reviewing where he pulls the actual text out and reads back the actual text.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did notice that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then reframes it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the way that the university professors have been using this is to say you have to read the actual text of the book first.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or at the very least, you have to read the text.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes and the order might be different, but they're using thug notes as a tool to act like scaffolding.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can understand the you can go into the story knowing what it's about.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of these books are written in old English.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that helps.
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  SPEAKER_00: He brings it to like you were saying, what's that?
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  SPEAKER_00: A A B E um African American vernacular English, the street slang, and that is more I'm gonna say, appealing, more like um people understand that more than like this old ancient text you might be reading.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's making no sense.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you I I think my initial it wasn't a reservation about this, but I could see teachers having issue an issue with this.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I see it, see them as having an issue with it because they're kind of locked in that old framework of learning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, a hundred percent.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like right here.
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  SPEAKER_02: As a teacher, yeah.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean like student-wise, like, I mean, keep going, I don't want to interrupt, but no, we got talking about this because I remember very vividly, junior year, Brighton High School, we watched A Man for All Seasons.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which was about the downfall of Sir Thomas More, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I told you that I really it was it took us two days to watch this movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I remember just the way that they spoke to each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought it would be different because we read portions of that story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I I remember reading it being like, I have I don't understand what's happening here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because the verbiage, the vernacular, the the phrasing, the words don't necessarily refer to what you think they refer to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because it's it was 400 or 600 years ago or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my teacher, Miss Priestcorn, had said, we're gonna watch this movie afterwards and it'll it'll recontextualize it for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it did not.
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  SPEAKER_00: It did not help.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because it was writ it, even the script was written in the same way.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I remember, like, thank God she walked us through the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I remember after the movie, I'm like, this doesn't make any sense to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think something like Thug Notes is great.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you would I think teachers who would look at this and not understand it as a tool to say you should be able to read the classics and understand them and talk what they're about.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: But we don't I think it's in the it's you have to look at it in the same way as you know, it'd be great if I knew Finnish or Portuguese, but the best way to do that is to immersion, as everybody knows.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I have no opportunity in my day-to-day life to utilize Portuguese.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can go to a class, but if I'm not neck deep, as soon as I'm out of class and out of that like little circle, it will think about immediately.
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  SPEAKER_02: And something like this, these four guys get together and they take a classic and they break it down and they talk, they tell you the story in uh uh in street verbiage.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's also what I really like about it too, not to interrupt you off, but um to bring it back to like the classroom and like thinking about um like my high school English and class and reading all these like classic books or whatever.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I'm just gonna tell you, I never got any of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe Romeo and Juliet, but that's because you know, I don't know, back in middle school or something, and remake came out and I paid a lot of attention to that movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but reading the books in school one, I can tell you I probably didn't actually read very many of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I just didn't it's hard like reading anything if you can't if you can't absorb it, yeah, you're not you can't stick with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, not at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why we're like when you have a favorite author, you've heard about page turners.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you think about a book that really held on to you, like you remember the lines in that in that story.
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  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't tell you what happened to Thomas More and A Man for All Seasons.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know that he was it was some kind of a power play, and he was kind of caught in the middle, but I didn't understand the the structure at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't understand the polit the politics that were involved or the alliances that were being played off one another.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when it's even though it's in English, it's in a form of English that we haven't used in several hundred years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's basically another language.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I wouldn't understand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is very helpful because it's visual and so and it's not long.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he does that's the other thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: When he's retelling the story, they've it's not so much an animation, so much as like it's kind of like South Park, in that they have uh cut out uh animation to rep to play along with the the story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can you can actually follow it.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think it's great if you're using like a like a learning tool, either before or after you read the original.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think even if you watch Doug Notes prior to reading the text, you could get the structure for how the story's gonna play out.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's nothing wrong with doing that.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's like it doesn't make you understand the story better if you're given the notes prior and then you have to go through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, that would really help me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can tell you that for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because there's a lot of these stories where there's just I'm just gonna say a filler.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, actually, I was trying to think of the word that's exactly so much extra.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's extra, and it doesn't necessarily support the key tenets of of of the story.
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  SPEAKER_02: So and like he'll even in thug notes, they even call out bunch of other shit happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, and he's very like he's a comedian, and so he'll just all this extra shit happened, and you don't gotta worry about.
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  SPEAKER_02: And which is great to hear him like, okay, great, because I was getting lost in that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you can and you say, okay, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Once you hear that, you're like, all right, that's not that necessarily doesn't drive the story forward.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I want to see if there's some other who else do we have in here?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: So we I've we've got the key players, filming and aesthetics.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh episodes were filmed in batches, uh, four episodes per day, which is a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even though they're like six minutes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think they filmed his portion, but all the animation was added later.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Was probably added.
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  SPEAKER_02: Visuals featured intentionally unpolished stick figure animation, overlaid with public domain uh facial cutouts.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so he they had like stick figure people, but he would jam the face of a you know someone who was supposed to be a guy, yeah.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: It was almost like they took the pictures out of like the uh either a magazine or the stills that come with photo frames.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, actually, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Audio styling featured classical soundtrack, most frequently boxed Brandenburg concerto underneath hip-hop commentary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I didn't even notice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Visual growth.
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  SPEAKER_02: The series gained viral momentum after a user posted to Kill a Mockingbird episode on Reddit, keeping the video on Reddit's front page for two days and attracting widespread coverage from the Huff from HuffPosts.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely have to watch that one.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't watch that one yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever seen the movie To Kill a Mockingbird?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I was in college, one of my nicknames was Scout.
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  SPEAKER_02: My I think I told you the old man and I wanted to we were gonna try a bond over movies, so we'd pick a we know and we only did this a couple times, but the the one he picked was to kill a mockingbird, and I think it was because he could watch it for free.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, uh and I had never it wasn't until yeah, maybe like six years ago that I had seen that for the first time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Six six, seven years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a great movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's really good.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can see myself sitting in English class watching it.
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  SPEAKER_02: What does I want to touch on these because I want to touch on these before I get to the recipe.
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  SPEAKER_02: Linguistic styles and persona, Sparky Sweets PhD.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shows hosted by comedian Greg Edwards, performing in character of Sparky Sweets PhD, an original gangster, professor clad in do-rags and gold chains, vernacular and hilo synthesis defining style of thug notes is a juxtaposition of street slang, African American vernacular English, A V A A V E, and hip hop idiom and rigorous, legitimate academic criticism.
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  SPEAKER_02: Juxtaposition of registers dubbed sophisticated as hell.
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  SPEAKER_02: The commentary rapidly shifts between urban vernacular and direct quotes from canonical texts or classical academic theory.
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  SPEAKER_02: Delivery relies on unrecognizable catchphrases, cut catchphrases such as peep this motif, son, nah blood, cold blooded, and street justice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just like when he's in when he's detailing Hamlet and those two brothers are killed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cold iced.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, humor holds people's attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: It does.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you can take kind of a there's value in the classics, but the classics are they they teach things that are still true today, but I don't think they're necessarily great at translating blunt humor.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this does that so well that when you hear about somebody behaving badly and then getting killed off, just in a way that sweets, delivers it, you can't help but laugh.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in that laughter, you're paying attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which should be the fundamental crux of learning anything.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is very true.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: This is very true.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is I would much I would enjoy school a lot more if it was that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you that's the thing I don't really understand.
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  SPEAKER_02: As you know, I am not a fan of let's just call it structure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not a fan of school or corporations because they believe in following you know, this way works.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: It worked for everybody.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for everyone forever.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's not, and that that's not how anything works.
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  SPEAKER_02: It may have worked a few times in a particular system for a period of time, but there are multiple truths in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one, the classics have all kinds of value.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why they're classics.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they lose their potency when they become unrelatable.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah untra they are they no longer tr translate.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And in the classics, that happens really quickly.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I um like you were bringing it back to um like a um a page turner, a book that you're really into that you just can't put down.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, they say that about like the introduction of a book about how like it's supposed to grab you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Immediately.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Immediately, yeah, and if it's not, then and like that's the really hard thing is I already I'm speaking personally, I already know that Hamlet is, for example, Hamlet is a Shakespearean play.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: I already know that the language is going to be difficult and I'm not going to understand it because as we pointed out, it was from a long time ago, and we don't speak anywhere near that anymore.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that immediately that turns me up.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's before I've even read it.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: But like with this, it's short and it's visual and it makes sense to my brain.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, when we first when you first introduced me to Thug Notes, I think that I was listening to some of them.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and I mean listening literally, and then I was like, I can't listen to these.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: I need to sit down and watch them.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the nice thing is it's not like watching it's not like watching like an episode of Software Underbelly where it's two people talking and it's mostly focused on the interviewing person.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um they're quick.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't feel like I'm like I have to devote a lot of time, but I can still learn something in my six minutes that I'm watching because I think all of them are three to six minutes, so it's not like it's taking up a lot of time, but also the visuals are very helpful and I'm engaged.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of feel uh in Toastmasters they always rally against us using words like like Xeroxing things, saying things multiple times, or using like or kind of, and I'm trying not to do that.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: It seemed to me in high school when we read things like this, yeah, that it was almost an exercise in for trying to see if you had the metal to force yourself to bulldoze through this text and retain it.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was a it was a Herculean I maybe not a Herculean task, but it's hard.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's very it can be dense, and if you're spending part of your time looking up what words are referencing, that's really tough to retain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yes, to have somebody.
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  SPEAKER_00: I understand 100%.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: And having a big lots of chunks of those works be just kind of fill sorry.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Filler again stuff that you don't necessarily need.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: To have a synopsis that makes it funny and brings it up to date.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a huge thing bringing up to date.
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  SPEAKER_02: Allows you to be like, oh, okay, I understand what this story is about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know the flow of it so I can read back through it and be like, oh this is with what was going on with the capulets and the Montagues.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Montagues.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this these guys were aligned with these people and these people were aligned with these people.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: But so and so has dirt on this guy and this must be what this is referring to.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it allows you once you have a scaffolding in place it allows you to kind of discover it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because otherwise I don't especially kids today, kids don't even read anymore.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: But if you were to try to get high school students to not even AP kids regular kids to try and read through this they'd be lost as hell.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't have been like I don't know what the hell this is saying.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah can you oh my gosh.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think I don't even know if they intentionally started out to make this a learning tool but I think it just ended up as an amazing tool.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Which I think is so great and like you said amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just I mean I don't even know if um what's his Greg what's his last name?
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  SPEAKER_02: Edwards Greg Edwards is ever going to hear this but I just want to want to say as a piece of media like what he's created is fantastic.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: I wish he would keep I mean 160 or 140 or however many did is great.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um this should I think this should be used in high schools.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh for sure.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: No I'm I'm very tempted to send it to one of my sisters.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think she would really appreciate it and um on the note of how many he did he did a hundred and eight episodes um and then he also expanded to a podcast and there might be I'm just guessing here but like 15 of those but they're like on subjects like I saw like um I'm gonna we're gonna listen to them later.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um like there's one about banned books and there's one about like strong female characters and literature and I don't remember what the other titles are but again these are also um not long they're like very you can listen to several in a night or whenever it is you listen to your podcasts.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, going to work or whatever.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to find from your mind map here you what?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing my headphones.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: My head is so small what are you looking for?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to find like other items in here that would be worth discussing like the workflow and drafting and filming and aesthetics where the other thing sorry good excuse me to interrupt um there's a book.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: He has a book.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh he does yeah I didn't know that's called Thug Notes I kind of want it to sit on my bookshelf what is this oh we'll look at it and see episodes were filmed in rapid batches of four per day at a YouTube facility.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Where is this that you're reading this is from your this is way down on um you gotta remember this is on smart my smartphone so I can't look at the mind map layout.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know which one it is okay but that's how you got there.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah thank you audio styling yeah I already got that part so I gotta back it up a little mind map is is good but I can't oh you made a you made a what do you call that a slide deck?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay it's gonna load the slide deck okay ultimate joke of the series is that there's actually no joke the literary analysis is structurally flawless so deep research is done by Salviaggio Salvagio he reads the text cover to cover and extracts core themes motifs and all the dramatic irony and then a translation process happens so Jared Brower drafts a script translating Salvaggio's rigor his academic rigor into what becomes Sparky Sweet's persona and I believe I read somewhere in your notes that Bauer was standing in line for something and dreamt up this concept and he mentioned it to somebody in line and the person in line was like that's ridiculous no one's gonna want to listen to that like it was just funny how like when you solicit opinions from people specifically from people you don't know actually from anybody and they poo-poo it don't have those people around because this was clearly this I this person whoever they were yeah they don't know what they're talking about.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Most like most people don't know what they're talking about.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: No but I have go ahead I have to say if I was standing waiting in line and someone um broached the subject or the idea to me and asked what I thought about it I honestly don't know what I would say because I don't think that I would understand it just hearing it standing in line or something.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you sat me down and were like this is my idea this is like I I can I could see it better and I could give you a better opinion.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean even if you didn't have anything yet that it was just an idea on some paper.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: I guess what I'm I'm dancing around what drove me to say that.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm a big proponent of when you have an idea to do something just do it regardless of what the input is from other people.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah exactly as long as it's not hurting somebody or it's not going to make you go nearly broke.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah putting something out into the void there's that's the whole reason why anybody's here so you have to try things.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: And this was a very successful try.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah like I would I be saying something different if this didn't go anywhere?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: Probably be like yeah that was a dumb idea.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: So you can't even listen to me.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: When you have an idea to do something something creatively it can die on the vine when you ask somebody their opinion don't ask anybody's opinion just do it.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah yeah right you know how many people I talked to about this podcast before we start doing it nobody just do it.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we enjoy it and it's fun and yeah.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: So a line by line review Salvaggio and Bauer review the script via Skype to ensure zero academic integrity to ensure zero academic integrity and law is lost in translation.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then the polished Greg Edwards refines the rhythm slang and comedic timing before the shooting before shooting that the actual episode and yeah I think your next deck here remixed literary canon spanning over a hundred different texts from ancient epics to contemporary dystopias and really all this deck is showing is that they reviewed everything from ancients like Epic of Gilgamesh the Odyssey and then classics like Macbeth and Hamlet and Moby Dick all the way up to more modern stuff Hunger Games Fifty Shades of Oh 50 Shades of Grey really 1984 actually that would be an interesting movie did you ever see you never saw 1984 I don't know what this is at all because I saw it on his um channel and I was like what is I yeah I didn't know so they made 1984 with what is his name do me a favor look up um he's an English actor he always looks like he's on the verge of tears um you can he was in From the Hip with Judd Nelson if you look it up on IMDb I'll tell you anyway he's in uh 1984 Victory and it's it's a rough movie about how this dystopian society everyone is surveilled everyone wears gray they they have jobs they don't care about and the human soul just is deteriorated but John Hurt John Hurt that's who it is so he is part of the Ministry of Information and he has to edit the news and sterilize it and it's done in everybody operates in a very I don't even know how to describe it.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like the sets were just drab and dull and um he falls in love with somebody and love is kind of outlawed and expression is outlawed.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Then it gets caught and they manipulate him to rat out a friend and they do it by means of mental torture and things like like it's nothing graphic.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's just that if you've seen John Hurt and when you see him get emotional and worked up about something it kind of like has a visceral if you've ever seen him get excited or angry have you have you seen him act in that no I don't think so it's it's an eerie movie and it's not it's not scary but it's eerie in that how it makes you because you look at it is a movie that breaks down how society continually surveils you and control tries to control how you behave and how you think and how you can be penalized if you are not on the path of or if you're not on the quote unquote right way or the way of the party.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: And ultimately this person's spirit is broken and at the end of the movie you just kind of feel like because you become aware that there are elements of this all around us and I didn't we didn't listen I don't we didn't listen to 1984 Thug notes did we?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: No I I have no doubt that he would there will be verbiage in his recap of how the human spirit is is hijacked and stripped of all of its core elements in that movie or in that in that story it's worth watching I think it might it wouldn't be I don't know that it would be your favorite but it has the themes in it are great.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it's definitely not a Disney movie what else does he have oh here's the the other bit that he covers here we got about 11 minutes so I'm gonna have to jump over to the recipe modern linguistic theory validates this approach through educational translanguaging and I think that's really just a fancy way of saying it figures out a way to bridge the gap.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Fluid use of the speaker's entire linguistic repertoire including slang and casual vernacular to make sense of complex academic concepts without relying on standard exclusionary dialects which so much of I want to say the the academic not not just classics but I think the foundational tenets of what do I want to say here the funds of knowledge well it says here on Wikipedia I think this is what you're sort of trying to say it says that the style used by Edwards's character was a result of frustration with the world of academia academia Yeah they do say here utilizing the cultural and experimental resources students already possess to decode foreign literary environments validates their communicative identity.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I can't stress it enough is that trying to read any old academic anything that's older than 70 years old you're gonna start to trip and fumble.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: And there's people just don't there's real value in recognizing that language changes and it it goes through a metamorphosis every so many years.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: And if you want to be able to really understand history you have to be able to bridge the communication between the way people communicate now and the idea in the old text whatever it is yeah they they don't they say X, Y, and Z, which is not how we say it now this is how we say it now but to understand how the story is play is playing out is what's most important.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily what the that you don't speak in that old language.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: No but knowing the direction of the story is what's most important.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: So thug notes check it out you want to hear my recipe yeah it's good but you gotta have a special kind of bread for it.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah you said we could maybe try to do it we could try it but I've never um I've never I don't know where you get this kind of bread so hang on I gotta pull up my I just saved it off on Instagram.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay so of course it's a honey based recipe get all your honey based needs at heyhoney.biz that's dot B-I-Z not dot com dot com is a cosmetics company and uh I'm not sure but not the same you have a lot of this stuff so honey butter toast and lemon but is the recipe called so it's called honey butter toast which sounds easy but it's it's it's not just toast with honey and butter and I want to see what this bread is called hold on bear with me so butter brown sugar honey and salt you Japanese milk bread Japanese milk bread that's the bread if you've ever seen that it's real fluffy but it's fluffy but dense.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I think I know what you're talking about.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know where you would get that yeah we'll have to talk to Ray and see if she can make us some you cut it's about an inch thick you cut a square of it out of a loaf and then you cut the crusts off because if there's anything any nutrient in this you want to get rid of that that immediately this is this is purely for fun then you take I'm gonna turn this down so I can replay it you take that mixture the honey brown sugar slab of butter and salt mix it together so it becomes like a like a brownish paste.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay and then you spread it around the the square of the square of bread oh no you want to cut it thick this is the opposite and again cut off the before you put the spread on it you cut off the crusts you spread this mixture all the way around and you bake it for 10 minutes.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah you flip it at the 10 minute mark and it becomes like it's crispy on the outside all the way around and then fluffy on the inside but I would imagine that the butter initially when you put it in the oven is gonna it's gonna brown a little bit but it's gonna seep into the those inner chambers of bread.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: So let's see if it's got a temperature on the okay 100 grams of butter sorry I don't know this must have been created in Europe but 100 grams of butter 100 grams of brown sugar 50 grams of honey and a pinch of salt bake at 180 Celsius do the conversion for Fahrenheit I don't know what it is for 10 minutes then flip and bake for another 10 minutes and then let it cool on a wire rack this looks delicious.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: It also looks really really bad for you.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds really really bad for you and delicious we could make this with that sourdough I'm just saying okay what is there anything else we didn't cover on the thug note front um no I thought if you wanted to um pull anybody in um you could read on Wikipedia um there is an excerpt from his analysis of to kill a mockingbird um to kind of give people an idea of what um what it would be like listening to thug notes but you don't have to I don't I don't know if we can do that because of oh because it's like yeah yeah yeah well anyway you could go to Wikipedia and read a little extra and then you would be like or you could just go to YouTube and watch you you will like be you will watch one and you'll want to watch more this is like our experience with software underbelly and also you'll be like oh my gosh I'm so glad well I am I'm so glad I'm not in high school anymore honest God whenever I talk to younger people and not necessarily the complaint well everybody does everybody complains about their situation.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah but when I hear kids complain about anything in high school you just want to shut it down like trust me it was much harder you have so many tools that a lot of I didn't even think about that you have all these tools at your disposal to hopefully you use your knowledge for good and try to learn something but if you want to shortcut the system there's no better time to do it because the system can't keep up with the rapidly changing tech of all the different apps out there that help you cheat on homework or or do research or you can you if you actually want to learn that there's a bazillion tools for you.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and if you want to cheat there's a bazillion tools for you.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh not the case when yeah no and we didn't have any of that we had the library and the Dewey decimal system.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's true yeah the card catalog and the card catalog and encyclopedias do we know what those are anymore?
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: No yeah and you can't you couldn't reference or you couldn't reach out to somebody on Skype and say hey I'm interested in this job or in this university or this this teacher or class like how do I how do I gamify it?
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: How do I make it keep it you know how do I push myself how do I motivate myself to push myself to do well in this class or in this in this job it was it was just more this is a couple of older people complaining about being older but they say often that the that youth is wasted on the young I think that's the that's actually a good that's an apt quote for younger people now because like if you want to learn and know something and apply something or or create something now is an amazing time to do it because you don't need anybody.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: You need a laptop.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you could just do it all on your own.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: So in multiple ways by the way it wouldn't just be like one that's what we should do.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: We should do a review of some of the things I find on Instagram about um technology that's up and coming up and coming or that's becoming available and it doesn't have to be movies.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: We like doing movies but some of the things that I find on Instagram you gotta admit are bananas.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah like those those guys who developed that jet engine that aerospike engine with AI and a 3D uh metal printer yeah the things just alone that you can do with a 3D printer is are mind blowing.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah like I mean that's just one I found a guy yesterday one medium yeah that figured out how to make his own filament so he doesn't have to buy filament because it's that plastic line that they run through a 3D printer to m create that stuff.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah that's like the for lack of a better word the fuel there's a there was a Instagram story about how you can just take a plastic bottle cut it along the bottom and make a hold on cut it along the bottom and pull out like a strip like a thin strip and then wind it around a you automate it you wind it around a spool and this you know pulls the bottle down to nothing and then you run that's that's ribbon through another heat chamber and it creates a filament it like re it softens the plastic and turns into into a filament line so you can you can just create your own uh filament from plastic bottles yeah that's crazy that's crazy so uh I think we've covered all we need to cover on thug notes it's worth listening to they're short they're fun they're funny just check it out you'll you'll be glad you did and one of my favorite things lots of vulgarity you know I love it all right it's just so entertaining I gotta eat oh you always have to eat always gotta eat hugs and kisses to lose bye thanks