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D4VD CAUGHT ON VIDEO: BLAMES STENCH IN MANSION ON "BATHROOM" AFTER CELESTE MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: D four VD aka David Anthony Burke caught on video
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Speaker 1: doing what blaming the stench, the overwhelming stench in his
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Speaker 1: mansion on his bathroom. After teen girls, Celeste is murdered,
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Speaker 1: her body, decaying good evening, I mean sy grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us.
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Speaker 2: They met when she was eleven, still having graces.
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Speaker 1: He went himself to the school playground and pays another
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Speaker 1: kid one thousand dollars to give Celeste Rivas a secret
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Speaker 1: cell phone.
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Speaker 3: This the tesla being moved from the rental house.
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Speaker 1: Not only do we do our own experiment and discover
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Speaker 1: that D four v D David Anthony Burke paid between
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Speaker 1: two and three hundred dollars to allegedly uber Celeste three
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Speaker 1: of us, a little girl, a schoolgirl from one town
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Speaker 1: to him in order to murder her. He ordered her.
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Speaker 4: Like she's pizza, like she's Chinese food.
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Speaker 1: Ordered her up on an uber like uber delivery to
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Speaker 1: kill her. This as he is caught on video blaming
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Speaker 1: the smell of her decomposing body in his mansion on
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Speaker 1: the bathroom and oh, yes, we have it for you.
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Speaker 5: I just took it.
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Speaker 1: Really, that's from ATSI kurash co on Twitch and I
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Speaker 1: just got to see it again.
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Speaker 4: Let's see that one more time.
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Speaker 6: Okay, I just took it.
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking.
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Speaker 1: That's why were they video that? But to each her
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Speaker 1: own that said, there's no accounting for one's taste. That
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Speaker 1: is from at Sekurashimko on Twitch. Okay, I got a
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Speaker 1: huge A list panel tonight, but I got to go
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Speaker 1: to Tom Smith first, former NYP detective thirty years narc robbery,
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Speaker 1: gang murder, FBI Joint Terrorism task He is the star
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Speaker 1: the co host of gold Shields podcast.
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Speaker 4: Did you hear that?
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Speaker 1: Or do I need to play it again? Once you
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Speaker 1: smell a decomposing body at a murder scene, you never
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Speaker 1: forget it and you don't confuse it with a back
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Speaker 1: up commode.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't wait.
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Speaker 1: I hope, I pray the prosecutors play this for the jury. He,
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Speaker 1: according to them, orders her up on an uber like
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Speaker 1: she's uber eats, pays two three hundred dollars to get
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Speaker 1: her to his place, then compares her body, her decomposing
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Speaker 1: body to him, quote taking.
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Speaker 4: A ship his words, not mine in his bathroom? Can
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Speaker 4: he do anything more demeaning to this little girl.
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Speaker 5: No, not at all. I mean he is the epitome
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Speaker 5: of a monster. And we've gone through other monsters in
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Speaker 5: the criminal justice world, and he is right up there.
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Speaker 5: You know, when you have someone who has such a
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Speaker 5: disregard for a human being to treat her the way
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Speaker 5: that he did, I mean, it is a different level man.
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Speaker 3: See.
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Speaker 5: But this is why investigations take time to course. You
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Speaker 5: want to get all the information like this out there
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Speaker 5: for the prosecution, for the police department to make a
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Speaker 5: stronger case. Because when you have people like this who
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Speaker 5: commit crimes, they have no idea what is to come,
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Speaker 5: so they cannot gain plan what's to come, and this
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Speaker 5: is where they get jammed up. And this is why
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Speaker 5: prosecutions are successful and investigations end in a good way.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kaylin Beckery joining us. She is a
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Speaker 1: senior national correspondent at The New York Post. She's the
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Speaker 1: host of a hit podcast in Why Postcast, Get It
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Speaker 1: in Why Post In Why Postcast.
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Speaker 4: Caitlin, thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, I know that it's your job to
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Speaker 1: report the facts with no emotion, without making any judgment calls,
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Speaker 1: but really, her body is decomposing and Kaitlin. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if in your business you've ever had to go
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Speaker 1: to a murder scene or been there when a body
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Speaker 1: was discovered. It hits you like a cement brick. The
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Speaker 1: smell it's people vomit when they smell it. That's how
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Speaker 1: bad it is.
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Speaker 4: I say, rookie cops vomit when they come on a
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Speaker 4: crime scene or smell d coomp for the first time.
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Speaker 4: Did you know about this video we found?
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Speaker 7: I didn't, Nancy. The first time I'm seeing this video
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Speaker 7: is you playing it right now? And I'm with the
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Speaker 7: guy in the corner whose eyes were going back and forth.
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Speaker 7: He looked completely baffled by what was going on. I
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Speaker 7: don't know if it's stupidity or hubris or arrogance in
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Speaker 7: this case that it just seems like after this crime
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Speaker 7: was committed and the premeditation of the committing of the crime,
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Speaker 7: that there just seems to be this massive digital trail
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Speaker 7: left as if this guy never thought he was going
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Speaker 7: to be held accountable for allegedly murdering this girl. I mean,
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Speaker 7: just this video, I have to imagine there's more things
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Speaker 7: like this out there, and you add that to the
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Speaker 7: list of evidence that prosecutors say they have digital evidence,
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Speaker 7: as you say, the ordering of her like she's Chinese
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Speaker 7: food on an Uber app that's going to her house
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Speaker 7: being ordered allegedly by him to his house, with a
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Speaker 7: driver in the car taking her back and forth to
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Speaker 7: confirm it would be her in there. Not to mention
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Speaker 7: the litany of other pieces of evidence that digitally showed
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Speaker 7: premeditation and what happened afterwards. It's just it's baffling to me.
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Speaker 7: And you're right that I'm supposed to come at this
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Speaker 7: as objectively as I possibly can looking at the facts,
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Speaker 7: but it's almost impossible to do it in this case
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Speaker 7: because it's so arrogant and aggressive and obnoxious the behavior
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Speaker 7: that we're seeing displayed by this person in the day
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Speaker 7: and the days after the killing.
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Speaker 1: The guy you're referring to is neo, he calls himself
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Speaker 1: quote the Asian our friend. Private investigator Steve Fisher was
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Speaker 1: hired by the owner of Defourvid's mansion that he was
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Speaker 1: renting where we believe, Hey, let's see that photo of
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Speaker 1: the outside of the garage. This garage is where the
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Speaker 1: blue plastic kittie pool, the inflatable pool. We think, although
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Speaker 1: it could have been one of those plastic kitty pools.
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Speaker 1: This is where her body was dismembered. This is where
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Speaker 1: the garage door opened. We think this is where the
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Speaker 1: kiddie pool was, where Celeste's body was dismembered. I believe
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Speaker 1: that because in the garage we saw in the court
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Speaker 1: document's blood spatter is found in that garage. So the
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Speaker 1: trail left behind is overwhelming. And to think that the
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Speaker 1: stench from that had waffed it up into the living
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Speaker 1: space upstairs and he's blaming it on the bathroom. What
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Speaker 1: is the date of that video we're showing right.
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Speaker 3: Now, July twenty ninth five.
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Speaker 1: The windows were rolled down and it's coming out of
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Speaker 1: D fourvd's mansion. Do you believe that Celeste was already
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Speaker 1: her body was already in the front the front trunk.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely yes. Why because they leave that is this is
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Speaker 3: the last day that the car is driven. They leave
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Speaker 3: that evening, early in the evening, late afternoon on a
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Speaker 3: tour bus for the first leg of the tour, which
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Speaker 3: starts in San Francisco. So this is this is it.
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Speaker 3: They leave and they're not back for until the search warrant.
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Speaker 3: After the search warrant was executed, Now somebody is back.
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Speaker 3: Not David, but somebody is in that house the day
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Speaker 3: before the search warns executed, and we don't know. We
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Speaker 3: haven't narrow down to two people, but we don't know
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Speaker 3: exactly who. But David is out on tour and doesn't
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Speaker 3: come back before she's found.
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Speaker 1: Now, Fisher would not confirm or deny that Neo is
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Speaker 1: driving the vehicle, but he gave me enough clues to
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Speaker 1: make me think Neo is driving the vehicle with Celeste's
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Speaker 1: body in the vehicle. Now, why am I showing you that?
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Speaker 1: I want you to look again at the stench video
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Speaker 1: as we are calling it, and look at Neo. Look
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Speaker 1: at Neo, and you gotta wonder did he already know
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Speaker 1: Celeste was dead when the stench video occurred.
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Speaker 4: I just took it, That's what I'm talking. Yeah, the
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Speaker 4: girl is laughing and making light of it.
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Speaker 1: Neo's like, okay, that's from at sakurashimco on Twitch. That
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Speaker 1: is how we found that video, by Dick and digging
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Speaker 1: and digging straight out to doctor Cheryl Eric joining us,
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Speaker 1: and boy do we need to shrink clinical forensic psychologist
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Speaker 1: specializing in trauma recovery at askdoctor Cheryl dot com. Doctor Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So again, Neo is
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Speaker 1: not charged with any of these crimes as it relates
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Speaker 1: to Celestiath. He's not been named a person of interest.
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Speaker 1: In fact, he was called in front of the grand
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Speaker 1: jury to testify, and I predict he will be a
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Speaker 1: witness at trial. But let's look at it without the sound.
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Speaker 1: Does he already know that that smell is this little
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Speaker 1: girl's dead body. Let's watch together, doctor Cheryl, take a
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Speaker 1: look at this. They're talking and now he's looking at
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Speaker 1: defour of d blaming a backed up commode. He's not laughing.
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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's not what it is at all. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Cheryl, Eric, what do you make of it? I mean,
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Speaker 1: caught on video blaming the stanch of a little girl's
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Speaker 1: decaying body on a clogged commode.
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Speaker 2: Nancy. When we look at the video, what we see
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Speaker 2: are micro expressions, and we can't know one hundred percent,
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Speaker 2: but it seems like there are micro expressions of gritted teeth, grimacing,
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Speaker 2: looking concerned. And yes, the young woman Sakura looks like
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Speaker 2: she's having a great time and laughing, but he certainly
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Speaker 2: looks worried and I don't know that we can definitively say,
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Speaker 2: but we do know that he also tried to avoid
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Speaker 2: coming in for questioning the first time. And I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that there's a lot more to find out about Neo's
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Speaker 2: role potentially in this.
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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, role, if any.
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Speaker 1: But apparently he did say something to the grand jury.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what, but I know he was in
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Speaker 1: charge in Celeste's death. You know, look at Neo's reaction
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Speaker 1: and straight out to veteran criminal defense attorney joining us
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Speaker 1: from this jurisdiction in California, Niev's criminal defense attorney, founder
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Speaker 1: of the Neevis Law Firm at the Nievis Law Firm
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Speaker 1: dot com.
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Speaker 4: Joanna.
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Speaker 1: Now she's already dead, and according to the state, he
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Speaker 1: killed her stab wounds, multiple stab wounds, then dismembered her.
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Speaker 1: He ordered her up on an uber like she's a pizza.
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Speaker 1: And now he's comparing the smell of her body to
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Speaker 1: him pooping.
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Speaker 4: Right. And when he's saying.
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Speaker 1: All this, Joanna Yevis, he's joking and laughing about it
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Speaker 1: and having people over.
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Speaker 4: They're having a get together, and her dead body is
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Speaker 4: there in the house.
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Speaker 6: I definitely think there's something to this interaction that points
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Speaker 6: to what the defense is going to latch onto as
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Speaker 6: like a grander scheme that involves multiple people. And I
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Speaker 6: think one of the main things we've got to focus
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Speaker 6: in on is continuing the defense is going to continue
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Speaker 6: to argue that David was not the cause of her death.
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Speaker 6: I think it's going to be difficult to get over
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Speaker 6: the hurdle that he was not involved at all, but
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Speaker 6: the mutilation of the corpse, there's this sense of knowing
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Speaker 6: when you see this interaction between the two. But there
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Speaker 6: is still room for the defense to argue that the
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Speaker 6: murder may have been committed by somebody else. Somebody else
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Speaker 6: may have lured her there, someone else may have had
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Speaker 6: access to his phone, someone else may have prompted the communications.
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Speaker 6: There was this allegation of jealousy between Celeste and another
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Speaker 6: woman that or other well I can't even say woman,
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Speaker 6: other young girls that he may have been involved with.
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Speaker 6: So there's room to create an alternative theory right now,
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Speaker 6: but unfortunately we have not seen we have not seen
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Speaker 6: the actual communications yet.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say there's room to create an alternate theory,
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Speaker 1: like make something up, fabricate a story for the jury,
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Speaker 1: create it.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't say fabricate, but definitely outline where that alternative
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Speaker 6: theory exists. Because the role of the defense is to
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Speaker 6: inform the jury that there is potentially reasonable doubt. That
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Speaker 6: is their whole entire job.
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Speaker 1: But you said create, How is create different from fabricate.
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Speaker 6: Well, fabricate does imply that it's made up, and create
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Speaker 6: is the putting together of your mind and looking at
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Speaker 6: the material and saying, here is the route that we're
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Speaker 6: going to go with the material that we have in
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Speaker 6: front of us. We haven't seen it, so it's at
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Speaker 6: this point we have to kind of imagine in our
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Speaker 6: minds what the defense's theory is going to be.
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Speaker 1: Imagine what the defense will be. Create means bring something
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Speaker 1: into existence, produce, cause something new to happen using imagination. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I think your wording is absolutely correct. Use your imagination
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Speaker 1: to come up with some reason to argue to a
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Speaker 1: jury with a straight face that dfour VD is you said,
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Speaker 1: is not the cause of death. You mentioned possibly some
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Speaker 1: of the minor girls that dfour VD was carrying on
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Speaker 1: with as a potential scapegoat an alternate theory. That's a
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Speaker 1: nice way to put it. A scapegoat somebody else to blame.
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Speaker 1: Somebody other than dfour VD minor girls did it, or
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Speaker 1: a minor girl, anybody else you could blame. I'm not arguing,
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Speaker 1: I'm curious who else Neo. Well, the defense blame Neo.
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Speaker 1: They've got to blame somebody unless they go what I
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Speaker 1: predict could be the defense, and that is a civil
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Speaker 1: defense of a split personality. That personality specifically being e Tommy.
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Speaker 1: Tommy is a Japanese anime name that D four Youd
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Speaker 1: spoke of very often that he would let out I
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Speaker 1: could get there, you go, there you go. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: predict that's the possibility. But you're saying that the good
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Speaker 1: old s O D defense, some other dude did it
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Speaker 1: other than a minor girl.
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Speaker 4: Who else could he blame?
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Speaker 6: I think? But Neil, there's the I don't want to
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Speaker 6: name names, of course, because none of this has been charged.
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Speaker 6: But of course you could point fingers out.
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Speaker 4: You mean, none of it's real.
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Speaker 1: It's what.
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Speaker 6: Well, we haven't seen what could support that kind of theory,
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Speaker 6: and that's what makes it difficult. But I'm outlining what
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Speaker 6: some alternative theories could be. And the same thing goes
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Speaker 6: for the civil defense. I think we would really need
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Speaker 6: to see some documented mental health history there some psychiatric
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Speaker 6: experts to support that kind of defense and really put
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Speaker 6: forward that he was dissociating in some way or there
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Speaker 6: was a mental condition that actually contributed to this. I
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Speaker 6: have not again seen in the reporting anything that is
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Speaker 6: indicative of that, besides this kind of leaning on his
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Speaker 6: alter ego character that he plays into pointing the finger
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Speaker 6: at somebody else or some other circumstance. Maybe a more
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Speaker 6: viable theory at this juncture until we see more about
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Speaker 6: his mental condition.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and Joe Anievis everyone I want you to know
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Speaker 1: is a very successful defense attorney. That's why we invite
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Speaker 1: her back over and over and over. She creates defenses
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Speaker 1: and she wins in court. We have an adversarial system.
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Speaker 1: The state fights the defense and they fight back.
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Speaker 4: I get it.
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Speaker 1: I know what she's doing. I know those are the rules.
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Speaker 1: She opens up all these possibilities to jury.
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Speaker 4: Hey maybe they did it, maybe they did it that known.
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Speaker 1: Can you really convict defour VD with all the possibilities
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Speaker 1: out of it?
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Speaker 4: That's what will be argued. That is her job.
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Speaker 1: I just happen to not like it and to disagree
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Speaker 1: with it, but that is what she is sworn to
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Speaker 1: do as a defense attorney, and that is what she
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Speaker 1: does to Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner, Terrance County.
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Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth, host of a hit podcast, Mayhem in
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Speaker 1: the Morgue. He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett
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Speaker 1: School of Medicine at TCU and more. Cannot count the
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Speaker 1: thousands of autopsies he performed. Let's explore what we've just
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Speaker 1: heard from Joanna and the evis, and I think she's right.
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Speaker 1: I think those will be the defenses some other dude
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Speaker 1: did it, the sod sad defense or an alternate identity
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Speaker 1: in other words, sybil split personality. And I've already pegged
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Speaker 1: at E. Tammy, his Japanese alternate identity that he has
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Speaker 1: used in his music. That said, doctor Kimdller Crown's I
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Speaker 1: got two things I want to put to you in
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Speaker 1: the real world, not created fabricated artificial stories as to
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Speaker 1: who did it? What evidence supports our fake theories. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the truth, the reality. Number one,
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Speaker 1: the stinch. Why does a dead body begin to smell?
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Speaker 1: And I mean overwhelming? You may be immune to it
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Speaker 1: by now, I don't know. I've seen some cops that
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Speaker 1: I've meant the late them right here so they don't vomit.
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Speaker 1: But it is overpowering.
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Speaker 8: Why so, as a body decomposes, the bacteria that's in
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Speaker 8: your system on your skin starts processing you down, turning
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Speaker 8: you into more simple or matter forms, which is the
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Speaker 8: processes of decomposition. And in this process, the bacteria produce,
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Speaker 8: among other things, a gas. This gas can be hydrogen, sulfide,
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Speaker 8: methane where captains all those things mixed together. But the
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Speaker 8: main stinch that you're talking about is this kind of
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Speaker 8: rotten egg smell mixed with blood and meat, and that
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Speaker 8: is the breakdown product from the bacteria being produced that
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Speaker 8: they produce this gas, and it causes the body to
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Speaker 8: swell and bloat among other things, and stink, and that
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Speaker 8: starts at about three days.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but what I don't understand. I guess I guess
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Speaker 1: you're not the right person to throw this to. But
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Speaker 1: why would you invite people into your home when there
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Speaker 1: is the overwhelming smell? Okay, you know what, I just
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Speaker 1: want to watch this one more time as D four VD.
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke blames the decaying body stinch of this
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Speaker 1: little girl on him taking a crap in the commote.
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Speaker 1: Watch this and look at Neo's reaction. I just took.
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Speaker 1: That's from at secure shimco on Twitch. Okay, you've explained it,
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Speaker 1: but now in more anecdotal terms, do you recall the
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Speaker 1: first time you ever smelled a dead body? Uh?
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Speaker 8: I do remember the first time I smelled a dead body.
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Speaker 8: I walked into the room. It was a decomposition. And
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Speaker 8: the problem is is, I've actually had a lot of
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Speaker 8: head trauma growing up, so I don't really smell things
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Speaker 8: like other people smell them. So the dead body didn't
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Speaker 8: actually bother me. But the chief medical examiner, she told me,
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Speaker 8: she goes, take a deep breath and tell me what
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Speaker 8: you smell. And I said, well, I kind of smell
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Speaker 8: a mild smell of eggs, and she goes, no, that's
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Speaker 8: not correct. You're smelling money. Because that's what separates us
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Speaker 8: from all the rest of the world, as we can
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Speaker 8: handle the decomposition smell. So I always remember that moment,
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Speaker 8: the first time I smelled a dead body.
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Speaker 1: So doctor Kendall crowns, how is it that, Oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: how is it that young medical examiners and rocky cops
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Speaker 1: go to saints, because I've actually seen cops use this
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Speaker 1: when they go on to a dead body scene because
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Speaker 1: they they will vomit if they don't talk about clearing
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Speaker 1: your sinus. Is this will work one hundred percent natural
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Speaker 1: soothes and comforts.
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Speaker 4: How do they do it?
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Speaker 1: Because these people were laughing like nothing was wrong.
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Speaker 8: So one thing is is you can develop a tolerance
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Speaker 8: over time to the smell. One of the things we
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Speaker 8: tell news people is to breathe through their mouth and
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Speaker 8: not the nose, and over time you will become accustomed
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Speaker 8: to it. The use to things like mental atom is
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Speaker 8: just masking the problem. You just have to get used
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Speaker 8: to it. And in a situation where you're sitting there
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Speaker 8: with the body rotting over time, the smell permeating your house,
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Speaker 8: if you're in it all the time, you eventually get
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Speaker 8: used to that. And that's why he's telling guests, Oh,
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Speaker 8: that smell you're smelling is because I've used the bathroom.
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Speaker 8: It's because he's used to it. But he knows what
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Speaker 8: the truth is, but he wants to normalize it so
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Speaker 8: they don't think anything of it.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Mack joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: we also learn we think about the secret late night
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Speaker 1: trip to Santa Barbara, we now know that, according to
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Speaker 1: the state, and these are allegations yet to be proven,
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Speaker 1: the night Celeste was murdered, some of her belongings or
24:13
Speaker 1: evidence were discarded in Santa Barbara.
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Speaker 4: Explained.
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Speaker 9: Nancy.
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Speaker 10: There was a late night trip taken to Santa Barbara
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Speaker 10: by David Anthony Burke. According to everything we're seeing at
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Speaker 10: this point, and he deliberately took evidence of Celeste Reevas
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Speaker 10: with him, and in particular, her passport was tossed out,
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Speaker 10: thrown out put aside somewhere around State Road one point
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Speaker 10: fifty four in Santa Barbara County.
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Speaker 9: We know this for a couple of reasons. Investigators have
24:52
Speaker 9: been able to track his movements with that tesla using
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Speaker 9: the tesla and his phone, but a cowtrans worker Nancy,
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Speaker 9: seven months after David Anthony Burke heads to Santa Barbara County,
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Speaker 9: finds Celestereva's passport, card and a few other things in
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Speaker 9: that State Roague one fifty four area of Santa Barbara County.
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Speaker 1: New details are now emerging with the ability to place
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Speaker 1: DEFOURVD in Santa Barbara County. He has ties to Santa
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Speaker 1: Barbara County, and he's accused of disposing evidence near Lake
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Speaker 1: Kachuma immediately after allegedly killing Celeste in his Hollywood Hills home. Now,
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Speaker 1: two special guests joining us, and you guys know him well.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith joining us, former NYPD detective, thirty years robbery, narcotics, homicide,
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Speaker 1: star of gold Shiels.
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Speaker 4: You know what they always.
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Speaker 1: Say, it's the cover up. It's the cover up because
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Speaker 1: he cover up, very often leads trails of evidence. And
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Speaker 1: here I'm sure they're doing this by tracking his phones
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Speaker 1: or his tesla. He goes all the way to Santa Barbara, which,
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Speaker 1: according to documents, is where he repeatedly visits a quote
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Speaker 1: an isolated site off Highway one fifty four, whereas passport
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Speaker 1: card was found by the camel trans worker, just as
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Speaker 1: Dave mac told us, Now what is her passport card
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Speaker 1: doing out there? And they can trace his car there,
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Speaker 1: it's what I expect them to show.
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Speaker 4: Idiot.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and we rely on that, Nancy. But here's
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Speaker 5: the thing, and you're exactly right. When people commit crimes
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Speaker 5: that don't normally commit crimes, they're good at the initial crime.
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Speaker 5: He murdered her, He dis founded her. Great he doesn't
26:46
Speaker 5: and cannot anticipate what's coming down the road, so they
26:50
Speaker 5: start to panic and they start to get rid of
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Speaker 5: things and big trips and all of that. But what
26:55
Speaker 5: they don't know is the technology that's in the pocket
26:58
Speaker 5: of law enforcement these days and the ability to trace
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Speaker 5: them and track them wherever they go. And then one
27:05
Speaker 5: of the most important things in this is setting up
27:07
Speaker 5: the timeline from that technology, so you're able to put
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Speaker 5: people in specific places during that timeline because you know
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Speaker 5: they're in that area, and that is a tremendous boost
27:20
Speaker 5: to the prosecution, to the investigation because it'll pinpoint who
27:25
Speaker 5: is around that area and where they are. This is
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Speaker 5: tremendous and that's why technology today is so important to
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Speaker 5: law enforcement and prosecution teams because it enables them to
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Speaker 5: do this.
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Speaker 1: Matt to Caitlin Beckery, joining, a senior national correspondent at
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Speaker 1: The New York Post and the star of a hit
27:43
Speaker 1: podcast in Why Postcast Caitlin think it through for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: what was going on in his head. Goes all the
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Speaker 1: way to Santa Barbara to get rid of other evidence
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Speaker 1: like the passport in some remote area near a lake,
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Speaker 1: but reportedly renders her body, disarticulates it at the home
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Speaker 1: in a kiddie pool, leaving blood evidence, and then puts
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Speaker 1: her in his trunk. He goes all the way to
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Speaker 1: Santa Barbara to get rid of what her passport, her purse,
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Speaker 1: but he leaves her body in his trunk to be found.
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Speaker 7: It kind of reads like exactly what you shouldn't do
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Speaker 7: if you commit a crime. It's like the opposite of
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Speaker 7: any kind of logical sense. Looking at the way the
28:35
Speaker 7: prosecution is laying out their evidence, as we learned from
28:37
Speaker 7: some of the prelim documents that we're going to hear
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Speaker 7: more about at the upcoming prelim hearing it.
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Speaker 4: The way they lay it out. As you said, the cover.
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Speaker 7: Up is often worse than the crime. But the cover
28:48
Speaker 7: up seems so poorly thought out but also really detailed
28:53
Speaker 7: and chaotic that it does seem like that's what's going
28:56
Speaker 7: to be what comes back to kind of bite him
28:59
Speaker 7: in the behind. And we know that there's cameras outside
29:02
Speaker 7: of the home with surveillance footage, so we know likely
29:06
Speaker 7: when the tesla left that night, when the tesla came back,
29:09
Speaker 7: there's a zillion cameras on the road around where he
29:12
Speaker 7: lives or he lived in Los Angeles, so I'm guessing
29:16
Speaker 7: they picked up the Tesla in all of those places.
29:18
Speaker 7: So to have driven that far to get rid of
29:20
Speaker 7: a couple of things to then come back but keep
29:22
Speaker 7: the body, the most damning evidence there is in this
29:26
Speaker 7: case in the home is confusing. It's moronic, really, for
29:31
Speaker 7: lack of a better term, it's absolutely moronic. And back
29:34
Speaker 7: to your earlier point about Neo and what Neo knew
29:38
Speaker 7: and that kind of telling look that he had in
29:40
Speaker 7: that video. If Neo was in the house more than
29:44
Speaker 7: two hours before when David allegedly said that's when he
29:47
Speaker 7: went to the bathroom, he would have smelled the smell,
29:50
Speaker 7: and it did seem like he's someone in his circle
29:52
Speaker 7: that would have been there. So this smell would have
29:54
Speaker 7: been in the house for days now, or at least
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Speaker 7: hours or a day. So I I don't think anybody,
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Speaker 7: if they didn't know that she was decomposing in the home,
30:03
Speaker 7: would have believed that this was the bathroom a bathroom incident.
30:07
Speaker 7: So it it stands to reason that all of those
30:11
Speaker 7: people that he was bringing in and out of his house,
30:13
Speaker 7: my guess is to kind of make it look like
30:15
Speaker 7: his life was going on normally would be able to
30:18
Speaker 7: attest to as soon as that smell started happening, and
30:20
Speaker 7: just how gross it was. I mean, I couldn't handle
30:23
Speaker 7: when my fridge broke and I came home from a
30:25
Speaker 7: trip after two days and the food went bad. So
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Speaker 7: the fact that there would be a body rotting in
30:30
Speaker 7: the house, I have to imagine everyone in there would
30:33
Speaker 7: have been gagging. I think that they were just kind
30:36
Speaker 7: of sucking it up because proximity to celebrity is something
30:40
Speaker 7: that changes how people act, and maybe that.
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Speaker 4: Had something to do with it.
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Speaker 7: But all of those people, I think are going to
30:46
Speaker 7: be the biggest witnesses to tie him to the actual
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Speaker 7: action of doing it. In addition to all of the
30:51
Speaker 7: evidence that the prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: Have, doctor Kendall Crowns joining us out of Tarrant County, Texas,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendle Crowns, I did not let Johanna Nevis off
31:04
Speaker 1: the hook with her theory that maybe some other minor
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Speaker 1: girls or a minor girl, another minor girl that D
31:12
Speaker 1: four VD David Anthony Burke was seeing, could have committed
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Speaker 1: the crime. I guess a jealous thirteen year old, So
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Speaker 1: you'd have to suspend your disbelief in reality and assume
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Speaker 1: that the other minor girl sneaks into dfour vd's home,
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Speaker 1: murder celests out anybody finding out, and then to avoid
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Speaker 1: her the minor girl taking the fall, David Anthony Burke
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Speaker 1: decides to disarticulate celest himself in a kiddie pool.
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Speaker 4: But can you talk to.
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Speaker 1: Us, school us on what her cood cause of death
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Speaker 1: actually is, which is hard to do when someone is
31:53
Speaker 1: rendered disarticulated. How do you determine cod and could a
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Speaker 1: little girl, a thirteen year old girl. Let's just say
32:01
Speaker 1: we're in Alice in Wonderland right now. This is pretend
32:06
Speaker 1: right because another little minor girl did not do this.
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Speaker 1: But if you get an argument like that at trial
32:14
Speaker 1: that Joanna and Neevis could probably argue successfully to a jury,
32:19
Speaker 1: what facts disprove it. Let's deal with the facts. How
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Speaker 1: was she murdered?
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Speaker 8: So currently the cause of death is listed as multiple
32:30
Speaker 8: penetrating injuries. He has two injuries to basically her torsa,
32:35
Speaker 8: one on the right abdomen, one on the left side
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Speaker 8: of the chest. These wounds are described as smoothed aed wounds.
32:42
Speaker 8: Now to me, that's a stab wound. They're just not
32:45
Speaker 8: classifying as stab wounds because of the decomposition. The one
32:49
Speaker 8: to the right abdomen goes through the liver. The one
32:52
Speaker 8: on the left side of the chest goes into the
32:54
Speaker 8: chest cavity but doesn't hit the lung. The one in
32:57
Speaker 8: the liver is a fatal wound. She'll bleed out in
32:59
Speaker 8: a matter of minutes, at minimum ten minutes, could be more.
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Speaker 8: He also then has injuries to her back, which they
33:07
Speaker 8: don't classify as actual wounds, but they're not sure what
33:12
Speaker 8: these injuries are, and they don't describe any hemorrhage or
33:15
Speaker 8: as soft tissue injuries with them. I think they could
33:18
Speaker 8: be test tries with the chain saws. They could also
33:22
Speaker 8: be cuts with a knife. Now the question is is
33:25
Speaker 8: could a thirteen year old stab her? Certainly, how can
33:28
Speaker 8: you prove that it wasn't somebody other than D four
33:31
Speaker 8: VD You can't. You can't prove that someone else didn't
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Speaker 8: stab her. That's something that law enforcement would have to
33:38
Speaker 8: figure out. Plus the fact that there's so much decomposition,
33:41
Speaker 8: you're going to have trouble getting DNA evidence and things
33:44
Speaker 8: like that from her as well, So it's hard to
33:47
Speaker 8: say what happened but I would like to point out
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Speaker 8: he ordered two chainsaws, so you got to wonder if
33:52
Speaker 8: he has an accomplice.
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Becker joining us New York Post. What all did
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Speaker 1: he order? Quite a bit?
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Speaker 4: Quite a bit. I can't even at this whole case.
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Speaker 7: Kind of hurts my head with the list of things
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Speaker 7: that point to him being the culprit here, ordered a
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Speaker 7: two shovels from home depot, ordered a body bag, ordered
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Speaker 7: two chainsaws, ordered the kiddie pool, ordered a burn pit.
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Speaker 7: After the fact every single one of these things is
34:26
Speaker 7: feels like it would be incriminating on their own just
34:28
Speaker 7: looking at it. But the fact that it happened all
34:31
Speaker 7: in quick succession afterwards, and that he allegedly used a
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Speaker 7: fake name, Victoria Mendez, to order as if no one
34:40
Speaker 7: would figure out that it was actually him ordering them
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Speaker 7: to his home because he was using a fake name.
34:47
Speaker 7: It's insane.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So we've got chainsaws, We've got a home incinerator,
34:54
Speaker 1: we have.
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Speaker 4: The blue kiddie pool.
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Speaker 1: It goes on and on the shovel, the body bag,
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Speaker 1: an actual body bag with handles on the side, heavy
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Speaker 1: duty laundry bags, the pool that said unearthed now more
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Speaker 1: video D four VD, David Anthony Burke with who we
35:17
Speaker 1: think is Celeste, And recall, all of these are allegations. Now,
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke is innocent until proven guilty in a
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Speaker 1: court of law until the state pierces the presumption of
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Speaker 1: innocence with evidence proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 1: Now I want you to see the video we've unearthed
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Speaker 1: that appears to be Burke with Celeste.
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Speaker 4: So I'm not a questions. Why don't you hold my
35:49
Speaker 4: hands anymore?
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Speaker 6: Here we go again?
35:54
Speaker 4: So serious? Why do you think we move?
35:57
Speaker 3: Why do you think we move?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think personally.
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Speaker 3: I have you ever heard of the invisible strength theory?
36:05
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: That we met because we're supposed to meet.
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Speaker 10: Okay, and we're connected because we're supposed to be connected.
36:15
Speaker 3: It's kind of like that I loved you before I existed,
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Speaker 3: and I loved even when I die.
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Speaker 1: That is David Anthony Burke and who we believe to
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Speaker 1: be this little girl, Celestiaevos, that he met when she
36:28
Speaker 1: was eleven years old, I mean, doctor Cheryl. This little
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Speaker 1: girl was led to believe, according to the State, that
36:40
Speaker 1: she and Burke had a feature together marriage children. One
36:45
Speaker 1: particularly poignant photo to me is her ring finger, which
36:49
Speaker 1: was by the way, amputated to hide the fact that
36:54
Speaker 1: his name David was tattooed on it. She actually was
36:59
Speaker 1: wearing engagement ring. This little girl thought they were getting
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Speaker 1: married and having a family, and she's talking about how
37:06
Speaker 1: they were connected before they existed and that she will
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Speaker 1: love him even after she dies.
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Speaker 2: She did. This is so chilling and harrowing, and this
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Speaker 2: is something that we see a lot in sexual abuse
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Speaker 2: cases with a young victim in the grooming process, that
37:27
Speaker 2: this is something where the child believes that they are
37:32
Speaker 2: in a relationship, they're in a romantic relationship, that it
37:37
Speaker 2: isn't abused, that something is going to happen in the future.
37:42
Speaker 2: She thought she was important to him, And the video
37:45
Speaker 2: you played is so heartbreaking because she I see a
37:49
Speaker 2: girl who is trying to advocate for herself and speak up.
37:54
Speaker 2: Why don't you hold my hand anymore? She wants there
37:58
Speaker 2: are other pots. She wants something more for herself. She
38:02
Speaker 2: was in love with him, and he treats her like
38:05
Speaker 2: she's completely disposable, like she's garbage. He ordered her delivered
38:11
Speaker 2: to him, as you said, and then he ordered all
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Speaker 2: of these things to hide her body delivered to him
38:18
Speaker 2: as well. I really think that the combination of the
38:23
Speaker 2: age difference and his status and his celebrity and that
38:26
Speaker 2: way that that can change people in how they relate
38:30
Speaker 2: and the things they let pass. And how dazzling it
38:34
Speaker 2: must have been for this child to have this special
38:39
Speaker 2: attention and get to travel, and even when her parents
38:43
Speaker 2: tried to take away her phone or keep her from
38:45
Speaker 2: seeing him, it seems like they were no match for him,
38:49
Speaker 2: being able to go and bribe and use the resources
38:53
Speaker 2: that he had to have access to her. And it
38:56
Speaker 2: sounds like she just wanted to love him and was
39:01
Speaker 2: trying to get him to see her and show that
39:05
Speaker 2: that she mattered and it it This is so chilling
39:09
Speaker 2: and so incredibly tragic. And you know, Nancy, the the
39:14
Speaker 2: idea that this sort of split personality defense, and I
39:18
Speaker 2: understand defense attorneys need to come up with something. It
39:23
Speaker 2: just makes me think of when we when we cover
39:25
Speaker 2: the Jodiarius case and she said Ninja's came in and
39:29
Speaker 2: did it and she didn't. It just it seems so
39:32
Speaker 2: incredibly out there. And if you know, as a as
39:35
Speaker 2: a forensic psychologist, if someone says I didn't do it.
39:39
Speaker 2: My split personality self did it. You still need to
39:44
Speaker 2: contain the the the same person in a controlled environment,
39:50
Speaker 2: and it'll be very interesting to see what they do
39:53
Speaker 2: in terms of the defense if they go for a
39:55
Speaker 2: psychological defense, because that's a tough road to go. To
40:02
Speaker 2: say that this was dissociative, that there was some kind
40:06
Speaker 2: of split personality, we would need to see a lot
40:09
Speaker 2: of fragmentation and splitting, a lot of psychological evidence that
40:14
Speaker 2: I have not seen thus far. I'm not saying it
40:16
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it. And if someone
40:20
Speaker 2: were in an altered state, I don't know that they
40:23
Speaker 2: would be able to do all of the things that
40:25
Speaker 2: seem to indicate premeditation.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
40:32
Speaker 1: murder of little Celeste Rivas, please call two one, three
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Speaker 1: hero Investigator Anthony, Freeman Bibb County, Sheriffs, georgia killed in
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Speaker 1: the line of duty after seven, years leaving behind his
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Speaker 1: wife now, Widow, jessica and two, Children braden And. Blake
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Speaker 1: Freeman thank you to our, guests but especially to you
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Speaker 1: for being with us as we seek justice For. Celeste
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Speaker 1: Nancy grace signing, Off i'll see tomorrow, night and until,
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Speaker 1: then good, night, friend