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The Big Issues - Tuesday 9th February 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: For comprehensive political coverage impacting territorians. The only voice you
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  Speaker 1: need is Katie will find three sixty remaining one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent and Mix one oh four point nine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, usually this happens on a Wednesday morning, but we're
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  Speaker 2: mixing things up a little bit and joining us in
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  Speaker 2: the studio for the big issues. Damien Hail, Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, Wolfe. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh good, that's great. Have you in the studio. We've
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  Speaker 4: missed you, We've missed you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I've been traveling around a lot. I know,
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  Speaker 3: swign in small planes in monsoonal conditions, so it scary. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it is a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and joining us this morning is Maddie Hepworth Mix
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  Speaker 2: one O four point Nine's very own Maddi Hepworth.
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  Speaker 4: Because the big man, Dave Tolner is away.
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  Speaker 5: Unfortunately it's a bit like a monsognal storm with dteen
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  Speaker 5: here some morning, so you know it's much the same Haley.
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  Speaker 3: He needs his own television show, doesn't he really?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe? Big Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty to discuss this morning, and I might actually
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  Speaker 2: start with this news, this breaking news. It is just
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  Speaker 2: coming out of North Queensland. The Queensland government is going
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  Speaker 2: to introduce GPS tracking for repeat high risk offenders age
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  Speaker 2: sixteen and seventeen in certain locations under an overhaul of
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  Speaker 2: the youth justice system. Now some of the other changes
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  Speaker 2: include a presumption against bail for serious offenses, so reversing
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  Speaker 2: prosecutors having to argue why there shouldn't be bail seek
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  Speaker 2: assurances from parents and guardians that bail conditions will be
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  Speaker 2: complied with before an offender is released. They'll also be
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  Speaker 2: legislating a common law principle that defending on bail is
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  Speaker 2: an aggravating circumstance that must be considered by courts during sentencing.
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  Speaker 2: Police on the Gold Coast will be given metal detector
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  Speaker 2: wants to target knife crime. There's going to be registered
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  Speaker 2: vehicle owners will be responsible for how their car is
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  Speaker 2: used under anti honing provisions unless the car has been
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  Speaker 2: stolen or the owner can identify another driver.
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  Speaker 4: Now we know that there's going to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Parliamentary inquiry is going to look at the implementation of
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  Speaker 2: engine immobilizers and the former Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson will
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  Speaker 2: conduct a six month review of these changes. I think
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  Speaker 2: they needed some fairly big change in Queensland. It has
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  Speaker 2: been tragic to see what's gone on there over the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. And on the weekend, of course,
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  Speaker 2: a young woman's life lost in Townsville after a vehicle
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  Speaker 2: was allegedly stolen and then a vigilante pursuit allegedly occurred.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it is incredibly sad when you see people's
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  Speaker 2: lives lost on the road then as a result of
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  Speaker 2: people sort of breaking the law. That goes without saying,
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  Speaker 2: but it feels like we've got a real issue around
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  Speaker 2: Australia at the moment. You know, we can't just say
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  Speaker 2: it's a territory. We're seeing now in cans and towns
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  Speaker 2: will and other locations. We've got a real issue at
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  Speaker 2: the moment with some uthes and I want to put
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  Speaker 2: with that out. It's a very small portion of you
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  Speaker 2: instead of doing the wrong thing. You know, you go
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  Speaker 2: to footy on the weekend, you go to swimming in
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  Speaker 2: the afternoon, you go to marara like I am at
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  Speaker 2: most days, and the majority of our youths are doing
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  Speaker 2: the right thing. But unfortunately we've got a very small
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  Speaker 2: portion who are doing the wrong thing and it's creating
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  Speaker 2: havoc around Australia, particularly here in the territory and also
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  Speaker 2: in North queens says.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of top end to top end crime,
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  Speaker 3: like it's not you know, there's sure there's breaking inns,
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  Speaker 3: but what we're seeing from a lot of youth, the
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  Speaker 3: youth that are involved in this space is like major
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  Speaker 3: crimes like you know, the you I saw only a
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  Speaker 3: couple of days ago. There's a fifteen and a sixteen
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  Speaker 3: year old stabbed a guy last night I think it
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  Speaker 3: might have been And there's a forty year old guy
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  Speaker 3: fighting for his life outside of McDonald's in Melbourne. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Just serious, serious crimes being committed by minors in many cases,
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  Speaker 3: and you know tragically, you know, miners driving cars just
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  Speaker 3: at speed. I can't understand why we still have cars
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  Speaker 3: that do two hundred kilometers an hour on the roads
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  Speaker 3: when the speed limit in most jurisdictions other than the
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  Speaker 3: Northern territories one hundred and ten maximum. So I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure why we still have cars that can do those
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  Speaker 3: sort of speeds. But you know, obviously the public reaction
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  Speaker 3: in Queensland, particularly to the death of the couple and
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  Speaker 3: the unborn baby on the Australian Day holiday has made
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  Speaker 3: the government have to sit up and say we need
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  Speaker 3: to do we're doing something wrong. We need to continue
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  Speaker 3: at the bottom end of people's lives though in the
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  Speaker 3: early intervention in the families that are struggling, but it's
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  Speaker 3: got to a stage where people's now the expectation the
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  Speaker 3: community now is to have youth dealt with a little
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  Speaker 3: bit harsher than what's been occurring.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head there.
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  Speaker 2: We all understand that there needs to be intervention. No
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  Speaker 2: child should be growing up in a home where they've
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  Speaker 2: got nobody, you know, like no opportunity. That's you know,
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  Speaker 2: for me, that's something that makes me feel really sad
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  Speaker 2: when you think about an eight year old child, for example,
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  Speaker 2: like we've seen in Alice Springs in recent weeks, engaged
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  Speaker 2: in crime.
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  Speaker 4: To me, that is incredibly sad.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a child that's eight years old and almost
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  Speaker 2: eight years old. To think of him being out on
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  Speaker 2: the street in the middle of the night doing the
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  Speaker 2: wrong thing is mortifying. But then when you've got a
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  Speaker 2: situation where you know we're talking about the lord in
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  Speaker 2: Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 4: Where you've got kids who are.
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  Speaker 2: Committing pretty serious offenses, and you know, certainly the allegation
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  Speaker 2: is that some of them are recidivius defenders and that
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  Speaker 2: they are breaching bail conditions and doing the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it makes me wonder whether we just need
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  Speaker 2: to take a bit of a leaf out of Queensland's
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  Speaker 2: book at the moment, have a look at what they're
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  Speaker 2: doing and see whether any of it could work for
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  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so many comparisons have been made between the
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  Speaker 5: Queensland government's response and the Northern Territory government's response over
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  Speaker 5: this issue. And at the end of the day, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the Northern Territory government's coppying a lot of heat over
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  Speaker 5: this at the moment, but the big difference is that
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  Speaker 5: they are standing firm in the regulations that they have
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  Speaker 5: in place.
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  Speaker 3: At the moment.
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  Speaker 5: Annasaga Palage equally was copying a lot of flak over
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  Speaker 5: some of her youth justice laws. They've come out with
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  Speaker 5: this press conference a short time ago and announce some
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  Speaker 5: of these changes there, and I think this is going
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  Speaker 5: to elevate the pressure that's on the Northern Territory government
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  Speaker 5: and Chief Minister Michael Gunner at the moment, particularly given
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  Speaker 5: that you know, generally we've seen these crime waves in
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  Speaker 5: Alice Springs, you know, in ebbs and flows. You know,
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  Speaker 5: earlier this morning we were talking about the fact about
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  Speaker 5: Pajama being moved, you know, September.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, those incidents as in the Todd Mall.
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  Speaker 5: It seems to be holding that, you know, the same
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  Speaker 5: issues since for almost twelve months now.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to.
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  Speaker 2: Say, I reckon the Chief Minister had a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a change in his tone yesterday when we interviewed him.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a change in I reckon. They're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to come out and make some make a
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  Speaker 2: few changes. He did seem to acknowledge for the first
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  Speaker 2: time yesterday that you know that we have got an issue.
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  Speaker 2: He was hesitant to say that it's the number one
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  Speaker 2: issue in the territory at the moment, but he did
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  Speaker 2: say the safety of territorians and jobs is the biggest
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  Speaker 2: issue for the government to deal with. And look, I
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  Speaker 2: think there's going to be plenty more in this space.
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  Speaker 2: There always is, but the heat is on.
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  Speaker 3: It's a little bit interesting I find is that we've
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  Speaker 3: just had a Royal commission, you know, called for after
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  Speaker 3: the don Dale Full Corners report and the legislation and
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  Speaker 3: what the politicians are driving in Queensland is in direct
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  Speaker 3: contrast polar opposites to what the recommendations of the Royal
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  Speaker 3: Commission were. The recommendations there were more support services, more
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  Speaker 3: intervention in early the early years of people's lives, more
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  Speaker 3: support around families. Are those sort of things to try
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  Speaker 3: to try to cut people off from before they actually
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  Speaker 3: start to engage in unlawful behavior, I know in Northern
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  Speaker 3: territory governments, so I think is bringing in the laws
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  Speaker 3: around people facilitating and bringing the stronger laws around people
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  Speaker 3: who facilitate younger people in the crime sort of similar
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  Speaker 3: to the BDR if you're a supplier of alcohol to
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  Speaker 3: someone on the BDR. So it's a similar way of
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  Speaker 3: attacking attacking these people that are bringing people into crime.
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  Speaker 3: But it's in direct contrast to what the Royal Commission recommended.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just interesting that we spend the money on
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  Speaker 3: these Royal commissions, but yet politically and what the public expectations,
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  Speaker 3: and let's be honest, a lot of the people that
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  Speaker 3: make you know, it's a smaller minority of people that
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  Speaker 3: make the most noise about crime that have fed up
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  Speaker 3: usually people that have been a victim of it that
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  Speaker 3: will speak out and continue to speak out. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I find it interesting because the expectations or the people
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  Speaker 3: that are doing commissions, their expectations are totally different from
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  Speaker 3: what the public are feeling at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: And the government's in a rock and a hard place
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  Speaker 5: for that because they accept it, whether it be in
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  Speaker 5: principle or altogether, the recommendations from that Royal Commission. So
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  Speaker 5: now you know they have to implement those and they're
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  Speaker 5: working on that. But you're right, Hayley, like it's politically
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  Speaker 5: so unpopular and at.
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  Speaker 2: The moment, you know, and I said this to the
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  Speaker 2: Chief Minister yesterday, you have got territorians that are just
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  Speaker 2: at their wits end. They're so upset, and particularly in
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  Speaker 2: Alice Springs, and you know, I can understand why when
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  Speaker 2: you look at what's going on in Alice Springs. It's
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  Speaker 2: a towning crisis by the look of it. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: they need to sort of, you know, they need to
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  Speaker 2: have a bit of a look at the way things
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  Speaker 2: are being done in Queensland, see whether we can implement things,
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  Speaker 2: see whether there are things that we can change in
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  Speaker 2: the territory, to try and make some you know, make
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  Speaker 2: some change in this space.
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  Speaker 3: Ring leaders, I really do like that. Get the people,
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  Speaker 3: the ring leaders, the people that are engaging in this
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  Speaker 3: hit hard. And you know, in out in Palmerston, we're
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  Speaker 3: lucky in a whalot've we've got our issues there, but
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  Speaker 3: we've also got some really good community leaders, particularly working
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  Speaker 3: with youth, whether they're Indigenous or non Indigenous youth. There's
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  Speaker 3: some really good programs occurring in Palmerston. So and I
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  Speaker 3: think you know, one of our really good committees and
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  Speaker 3: they Dot Committee were recognized on Australia Day Awards and
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  Speaker 3: you know they do a really good job with our
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  Speaker 3: young people. So we're always looking at ways of engaging
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  Speaker 3: young people. And so there's part of that is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you need a little bit of the stick to the
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  Speaker 3: ones that are really causing the problems. But I think
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  Speaker 3: you hit the nail on the head Wolfing when you
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  Speaker 3: said the vast majority of youth in the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 3: of fantastic. And we've got some really good youth leaders
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  Speaker 3: out in Parmy, which we're you know, we're.
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  Speaker 1: Lucky to have followed Katie wolf and three sixty online
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  Speaker 1: at Mix one O four nine dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 4: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine
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  Speaker 4: is three sixty. I'm tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: We were just talking about fed fish, and I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to reveal what happened between the break there that
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  Speaker 2: I had just reminded Damian Hale of one time when
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  Speaker 2: him and I were doing this like fitness challenge and
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  Speaker 2: he split.
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  Speaker 3: Actually was the only guy that did the challenge you
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  Speaker 3: put on wait during I went in and weighed in
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  Speaker 3: and I think I gained five kilos.
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  Speaker 4: It was all muscle.
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  Speaker 3: It was all muscle, but I split the shorts. I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was a hamstring initially could have been out
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  Speaker 3: for six weeks. I was glad it was just it.
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  Speaker 4: Was just a short hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: It was outside. Remember it was outside that the trainer
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  Speaker 3: took us outside. Why would you do that? Ship?
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  Speaker 4: He was a great, great trainer.
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  Speaker 3: I know he's a good he's a good made of
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  Speaker 3: mine ship. But he's never asked me back. He's never
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  Speaker 3: I think a costing business. I'm just worried that he's
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  Speaker 3: still got a before and after shot. Well, he never
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  Speaker 3: took an after shot, and he took it before shot.
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  Speaker 3: And that was bad enough. What are you doing for
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  Speaker 3: FIT this year. Yeah, I haven't drank for forty days.
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  Speaker 3: I had no call for forty days. Put on seven Q.
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  Speaker 4: If it's supposed to work like that, don't think it is.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I haven't and I just stopped. Just get out
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  Speaker 3: of bed and go for the walks.
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  Speaker 4: Joined the three sixty team for the Step Challenge.
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  Speaker 3: The problem with that is I just end up disappointing people.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got some team members who've done like a
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  Speaker 2: phenomenal amount of steps, others who've done twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be worried.
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  Speaker 3: I was in this Nike Run Club a month and publicly, well,
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  Speaker 3: these guys are like putting in there. It was a
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  Speaker 3: global thing. There was like sixty six thousand of us.
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  Speaker 3: I think I came third last.
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  Speaker 6: For the sixty sixty six thousand. Yeah, there was three Kenyons.
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  Speaker 6: I think they were any teas or something because they
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  Speaker 6: didn't run as much as much as me. No, but
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  Speaker 6: there's guys here I worked.
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  Speaker 3: Out on me calculated that they were doing like four
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  Speaker 3: hundred k's a day.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I mentioned this yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: You know some people in the building here I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: about calling a sarta because they or whatever the other
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  Speaker 2: governing body is, because I ran ten kilometers on Sunday
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  Speaker 2: and others still beat me in their number of steps.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, my personal coach, Rocky Cousins, who's down south
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  Speaker 3: having a knop at the moment, so he's probably tuned in.
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  Speaker 3: But Rocky says, I don't like these challenges. Coach, I
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  Speaker 3: don't like him. He goes, you just live your life.
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  Speaker 3: Rock's never drunk, never smoked thats and at sixty seven
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  Speaker 3: or eighty or whatever he is, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 3: still hits a heavy bag and he does all his
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  Speaker 3: working out. So he sort of says, yeah, your whole
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  Speaker 3: lifestyle should be the challenge, you know, not just feb
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  Speaker 3: fidd or that's me my sixty six days.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always healthy, but I always think it's good to
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  Speaker 2: start the year right, you know, get off the alcohol
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  Speaker 2: and do as many.
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  Speaker 3: As oldron fifteen to sixteen. Then I start training to
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  Speaker 3: be Santa Claus again for the grand kids. And I
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  Speaker 3: trained at the minute, and so by the time i'm there,
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  Speaker 3: I'm back at one hundred and forty kilos and I've
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  Speaker 3: come roll.
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  Speaker 2: We've never run out of time talking about fit.
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  Speaker 5: The big issues though, let's go across metaphorically and literally exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go across to nine News, where it's been recorded
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  Speaker 2: that charity Bernados has announced that it's scrapping its Mother
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  Speaker 2: of the Year award because the high profile event no
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  Speaker 2: longer reflects all families now. The annual award has been
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  Speaker 2: running for twenty five years, and Barnardos said it was
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  Speaker 2: a difficult decision to make. They said on well, they said, basically,
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  Speaker 2: this is a decision that we have not made lightly,
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  Speaker 2: and when we make with many fond memories of the
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  Speaker 2: incredible mothers and families that we've met over the past
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  Speaker 2: twenty five years. Went on to say the charity said
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  Speaker 2: it worked with a variety of carers, not just mothers,
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  Speaker 2: including sole parents, same sex couples, relatives, caring for the
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  Speaker 2: children of family members, and children who were cared for
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  Speaker 2: by their grandparents.
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  Speaker 4: And look, I get.
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  Speaker 2: The point that they're trying to make, but much like
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  Speaker 2: when somebody had suggested we should scrap Father's Day.
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  Speaker 4: I don't agree with this.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, the whole point of the Bonado's
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  Speaker 2: Mother of the Year is that some of these mums
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  Speaker 2: are single moms, some of them are grandma's who've actually
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  Speaker 2: cared for not just their own children, but all the
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  Speaker 2: kids in the community, you know. And look, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying maybe they could actually add another category to the awards.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the Mother of the Year, but the care
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  Speaker 2: of the year or something as well, so that you're
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  Speaker 2: being inclusive of everybody. But you know, do we have
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  Speaker 2: to take something away from others, you know, to sort
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  Speaker 2: of make our point.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the families, I can see where they're going
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  Speaker 3: with it. Some families have got two fathers, two mums,
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  Speaker 3: So you can understand that Bev's been Mother of the
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  Speaker 3: Year fifty one years in a row for me exactly
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  Speaker 3: except one time when she one time she actually pinned
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  Speaker 3: me when you used to pinning that she might have
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  Speaker 3: pinned it. It might have been very close to the
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  Speaker 3: Crown jewels a month two months back. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: that year her voting for Mother of the Year wasn't
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  Speaker 3: that it should be. But the majority of the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the time she's been pretty much mother of the year.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we've all got our our mother's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just think I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: we've got to entirely change it. We could actually you
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  Speaker 2: could actually incorporate it, you know, incorporate others, include others
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  Speaker 2: in it, rather than.
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  Speaker 4: Scrapping it all together.
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  Speaker 2: It seems a bit of a shame to me to
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  Speaker 2: not recognize the wonderful thing, you know, that's some the
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  Speaker 2: wonderful stuff that some mums do in the community.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just about it, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to do like get rid of Mother's Day
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  Speaker 2: and Father's Day and just make it day Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: And just make it public holiday. We love them and
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  Speaker 3: we've got eleven in the territory now thanks to Michael
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  Speaker 3: Gunner with Boxing Day. So if we can't, if we
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  Speaker 3: can't get the fifteen public holidays by twenty thirty, I'll
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: go if we can't, Like you know, we're trying to
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: get zero admissions by twenty fifty net admission, so let's
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: try for fifteen public holidays by twenty thirty.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Most people of the community may not agree, well, if
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you're playing already building the next campaign on it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: But if you play your cards right, you've got annual leave,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: compassion leave, sick leave, domestic violent sleeve, cares leave, remor sleeve,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: all the other different leaves. If you play your cards right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you can get away with work in thirty eight hours
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: or thirty eight weeks a year if you do it
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: right before eleven public holidays, so you get two weeks
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: of public holidays, dear, And what else do you have, Curios?
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Oh well, we don't even have time to talk about it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: It's one minute before we're gonna have to go very fast,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: all right. Nick Kurios says he's not going to accept
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: any criticism from world number one Novak Djokovic over the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: way the Australian acts of court, especially after the Serbians
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: behavior during the pandemic, which he described as as bad
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: as it gets. He's dirty at Novak because he was
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: dancing with his shirt off during a COVID crisis.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's fair.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Thirty seconds. Thirty seconds, mate, I take it and then
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: I'll do mine.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: He's a bit of a flug off the court, but
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I'm cheering him on during the Australian Open.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Who's that CURIOSA? When did curios become the moral compass
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: of tennis? I want to know the date that this is.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: He's suddenly mature, hasn't he like? He's suddenly very vocal?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: He's protecting Australia's reputation. I think the best way to
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: sort this out between the two brats is you get
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: him in the ring. You put a nappy on both
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: of them, all right, You give him a letus leave
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: each and they just bash each other with him. Imagine
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: having an argument with those two. Wouldn't you be petrified
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: if you had. It's funny because my mother in law
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: said to me the other day, he goes, how much
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: are tennis rackets? And I said, no, fifty It was
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: a really weird question from Amark. How much of tennis rackets?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I said, I fifty bucks. I suppose I don't know.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I've never bought one, she said. She said, Dokovich breaks
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: a few.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: It really does well.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I tell you, I didn't think we could go more
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: off track than what we did last week with Dave Dollar,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: but we have this morning with Hale.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us this morning.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: People tell me so good ay to me, and like, no,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: this is about me and Wolfy and Maddie and Dave.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying to any.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Well, let's leave it. They're always good to catch up
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Damian Hale, Maddie Hepworth will catch
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: you again very shortly with the news.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 19:39
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