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Normally Podcast: Wait?! Joe Biden WAS NOT Sharp As a Tack?! · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, we are back on normally the show with normal
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  Speaker 1: it takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am very Cathern Kant, I am Carol Marcowix. This
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  Speaker 2: has been It is a really long week.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not even like trapesing through the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: I know, just.
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  Speaker 1: Early halfway through it. It's because it starts the week's
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  Speaker 1: start on Saturday or Sundays. He starts breaking news, right
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  Speaker 1: and then yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Donald Trump, can you let us have some time
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  Speaker 2: off because this is a lot. It's a lot and
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  Speaker 2: all the time.
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  Speaker 1: You thought you wanted to switch it up from Biden,
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  Speaker 1: but you we even though we've been through this before,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't know how much get.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this second term is way more hectic than the first.
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  Speaker 2: And I could use some Trump at the golf course
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  Speaker 2: days to be to be really honest with you, I
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  Speaker 2: see that those are my mental health days.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Could I have like pitched to people who are
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  Speaker 1: closer to the White House than I am that he
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  Speaker 1: talks so much and he does so many events that
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  Speaker 1: if they would just put them on a podcast feed,
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  Speaker 1: I would just have that running in my house and
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  Speaker 1: folding laundry all the time, So I would actually get
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  Speaker 1: to hear everything he says instead of hunting down each
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  Speaker 1: individual thing. But that would be that would be someone's
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  Speaker 1: full time job, right, just ripping Trump audio, putting it
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  Speaker 1: on a podcast mark it would.
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  Speaker 2: Be the number one listen to podcasts in the country.
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  Speaker 1: I think Joe Rogan, who you know, I think he
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  Speaker 1: would do well. That's the way to pitch it to him.
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  Speaker 1: Would you like the number one podcast in the country, sir?
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  Speaker 1: Lots of money? Oh, you guy have to have to.
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  Speaker 2: Take ad breaks for like relief factor, but other than that,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: A striking contrast to the last president, who is our
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  Speaker 1: first story today.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden not doing well during the presidency. I didn't notice.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's some breaking new, Carol. I'm going to give
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  Speaker 1: you about a minute of the NBC Nightly News last night.
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  Speaker 2: Last night. This is a twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, twenty twenty five, this is the NBC night Leaders.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, there are damaging new details tonight about former President Biden.
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  Speaker 3: A new book alleges serious concerns about his mental acuity.
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  Speaker 3: Gab Gutierrez joins US now and gay President Biden's team
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  Speaker 3: is now responding to this reporting.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Leicester.
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  Speaker 4: According to an excerpt from the new book obtained by
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  Speaker 4: NBC News, it was quote obvious to many at a
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  Speaker 4: fundraiser last summer that then President Biden did not know
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  Speaker 4: who George Clooney was, even though they were longtime acquaintances
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  Speaker 4: in Clooney is one of the most famous men in
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  Speaker 4: the world. The book, by journalist Jake Tapper and Alex
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  Speaker 4: Thompson goes on to say former President Obama, who was
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  Speaker 4: also at the event, had to hop in and finish
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  Speaker 4: sentences for Biden during photo ops. In separate excerpts, the
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  Speaker 4: author's right that Biden would forget the names of longtime
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  Speaker 4: aids and that there were internal discussions about putting the
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  Speaker 4: president in a wheelchair in a second term. At the time,
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  Speaker 4: the White House publicly defended the president's fitness for office.
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  Speaker 4: A Biden spokesperson now says the authors did not fact
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  Speaker 4: check the book with them, adding we continue to await
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  Speaker 4: anything that shows where Joe Biden had to make a
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  Speaker 4: presidential decision, or where national security was threatened, or where
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  Speaker 4: he was unable to do his job.
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  Speaker 1: He was a very effective president.
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  Speaker 2: Breaking Carol, you know, I look at their faces I'm
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  Speaker 2: a poker player, and I'm always looking for little tells
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  Speaker 2: of when people are lying. I can't find that Lester
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  Speaker 2: or Gabe are lying in that clip. They really think
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  Speaker 2: this is news. I think that they really believe that
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  Speaker 2: he was okay. I don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see the lying face on them. I do
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  Speaker 2: see it in other people. However, I enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: The Biden team's assertion that y'all should have fact checked this.
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  Speaker 1: You got to run this by us, right not? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: those days are apparently gone now that you're dispensable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that. Our old friend Brian
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  Speaker 2: Stelter tweeted today that Jake Tapper said many of the
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  Speaker 2: sources for original sin book wouldn't be candid with us
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  Speaker 2: until after the election, and Brian adds, well, sorry, Tapper ads,
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  Speaker 2: Thus we now have facts about what was really going
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  Speaker 2: on behind the scenes, with details about the Democrats wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: share with us until after election day. They didn't have
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  Speaker 2: the facts, Mary Catherine, nobody told them the people. The
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  Speaker 2: next thing, you know, in the White House didn't tell them.
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  Speaker 1: The next thing NBC Nightly News is going to tell
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  Speaker 1: me is that Trump wasn't a Russian plant, or that
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Biden was not in fact an international expert and
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  Speaker 1: renowned artists, or or that maybe schools didn't actually need
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  Speaker 1: to be closed. All this breaking news and it could
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  Speaker 1: come to pass. I mean, we were reaching sort of
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  Speaker 1: ludicrous levels of media reporting on media finally noticing what
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  Speaker 1: eighty percent of Americans noticed in two I just I
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  Speaker 1: understand that there are more details now. I also the
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  Speaker 1: details that they're debuting are not the details I want
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to know who was running the country,
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  Speaker 2: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: If you have access to these people. I need to
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  Speaker 1: know who was the president. That's what I need to know.
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  Speaker 1: Not I don't need to know when George Clooney got
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed enough about the president that he needed to write
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  Speaker 1: it out bad. That's not what I need to know, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny that him not recognizing George Clooney brought down
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  Speaker 2: to his straw. And you know, I've said this on
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  Speaker 2: the show before, but as I get older, I am
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  Speaker 2: so bad with faces and names, Like I just so
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  Speaker 2: I hear you, Joe Biden, who could recognize George Clooney.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a great part actually in this excerpt that
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  Speaker 1: ran in the New Yorker that has an aid walking
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden around and like this happened a lot. Is
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  Speaker 1: the thing. You could see it with your eyeball. Someone
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  Speaker 1: was walking him around and the way he's walking him
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  Speaker 1: around in this retelling of it at this fundraiser where
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  Speaker 1: they're raising tens of millions of dollars for this guy
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  Speaker 1: to be president for another four years, he's introducing him
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  Speaker 1: to folks and he's like, going down the lines, I
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  Speaker 1: thank of an like for Renner, and then he says,
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  Speaker 1: you know George, right, Like that's how he introduces him
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  Speaker 1: to George Clooney because like Grandpa needs to be reminded
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  Speaker 1: who George is. And he's clear, it's very clear he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know who George is. And he's like, Grandpa, George Clooney. Fact,
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  Speaker 1: he's like and he's like, ah, yeah, George, I know you.
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  Speaker 1: It's just all so on the nose. Uh. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why none of the back covering or like the covering
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  Speaker 1: of it now doesn't make up for them, because every
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  Speaker 1: voter could see this, right, You could see it happening,
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  Speaker 1: and the reporters themselves on many a network at that event.
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  Speaker 1: The one where we saw Obama lead Biden off stage
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  Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, that seems bad. They were
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  Speaker 1: like no, no, no, Jeep makes fit as a fiddle.
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  Speaker 2: Look, they only have two options, right, They were either
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  Speaker 2: lying to us or they were blind. So I will
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  Speaker 2: accept either one of those that they just completely didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to see what was in front of their faces.
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  Speaker 2: I only accept that though, if they admit they're part
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  Speaker 2: of a left team and they are their tag group,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats. Fine, you didn't see it because you didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to see it. Because you didn't you weren't told
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  Speaker 2: to see it. It's because you're on a squad with
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats. That's why admit it, and we can all
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  Speaker 2: move on from here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing that's very useful to have
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  Speaker 1: going on right now. If you're looking for the energy
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  Speaker 1: that this press corps can put into a health issue
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  Speaker 1: for a politician if they find him inconven please look
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  Speaker 1: into the coverage of John Fetterman this week, which when
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  Speaker 1: he was a lefty that they approved of was oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's so brave for seeking treatment, he'll recover fully. And
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  Speaker 1: now that he's inconvenient, we're looking at five six hit
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  Speaker 1: pieces a week on John Fetterman. So that's what it
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  Speaker 1: looks like when they want to cover something like this.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, I think you're right, Carol, that the
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  Speaker 1: group think and the demands of being ideological fellow travelers
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  Speaker 1: meant that they were like, we're good, I see nothing.
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  Speaker 1: And another part of this that I think helped create
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  Speaker 1: this situation is that in order to be a good
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  Speaker 1: ideological fellow traveler in twenty twenty and twenty one, when
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  Speaker 1: he started his when he had his campaign and the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of his presidency, what do you have to do
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  Speaker 1: never see anyone in person? So good lib reporters were
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  Speaker 1: all like, oh, obviously we can have no access to
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  Speaker 1: the president. That's aokay with us. We couldn't be good
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  Speaker 1: libs if we didn't, if we were trying to give
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  Speaker 1: our COVID, you know. They so they created this environment
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  Speaker 1: that in order to be a good LIB you protect
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden. And the way you protect Joe Biden from
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  Speaker 1: COVID is also to protect go to make Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: from reporting. Isn't that neat? Isn't that neat? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately they kept that going into like twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 2: and twenty twenty four and he rarely answered questions, and
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  Speaker 2: they didn't seem to mind. It became like, why are
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  Speaker 2: you wanting us to ask the president questions?
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  Speaker 1: What kind of you? Yeah? Well, and there's the one
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  Speaker 1: last part of it, which you're you're right, they should
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  Speaker 1: just say like, look, this is why we missed it.
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  Speaker 1: You should name names of who lied to you, if
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  Speaker 1: people in the White House were lying to you, because
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  Speaker 1: again I want to know who was doing that. And
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  Speaker 1: then the last part is you got to apologize for
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  Speaker 1: having smeared everyone who didn't make the same mistake. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: that no, but like that would be part of the reckoning, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Alex Thompson, who is the co author on
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  Speaker 2: this book, was actually decent on this question. He actually
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  Speaker 2: was asking whether the president had simply, you know, reached
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  Speaker 2: the point where he was toold to run for reelection.
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  Speaker 2: He was, but his co author Jake Tapper less so.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a segment where Jake tears into Lara Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny because yesterday Alex Thompson tweeted clips of
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  Speaker 2: Jake Tapper saying like kind of saying, people are asking
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  Speaker 2: whether the president is all there. People are saying that
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's not. But what Alex Thompson said was setting
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  Speaker 2: aside the Laura Trump segment, Well, you can't set that aside.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's a really big segment where you saw
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  Speaker 2: Jake Tapper try to get around the issue and accuse
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  Speaker 2: her of lying or spreading falsehoods about Biden's situation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the argument in that clip and many others
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  Speaker 1: throughout the years was it's a stutter, and I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a stutter. Stutter, even if it was less
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  Speaker 1: bad in twenty twenty, which would be a mitigating factor
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  Speaker 1: a little.
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  Speaker 5: Bit, it wasn't a stutter, right, It just wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: We could you could see him get off Marine one
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  Speaker 1: and not know how to walk into his own house
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  Speaker 1: like that is a problem. And there were plenty of
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  Speaker 1: people who were frank about it early, right, and should
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  Speaker 1: get the plaudits that journalists are now getting for finally answering.
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  Speaker 1: Alex Hampson, by the way, also did actual reporting on
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  Speaker 1: like the kind of shoes they had put him in
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  Speaker 1: and how they were working with his gait. And then
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to reiterate it doesn't really matter about
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  Speaker 1: his gait or whether he was in a wheelchair, if
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  Speaker 1: his brain worked and he was able to do the job,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't doing the job right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have to find this clip. But like
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  Speaker 2: when he was vice president with Barack Obama, so you
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  Speaker 2: know this has to be pre twenty sixteen. He spoke
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  Speaker 2: to middle schoolers. Tom Elliott posts live tweeted it at
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  Speaker 2: the time. I don't even think he posted a clip.
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  Speaker 2: But he ends up like ranting and raving to these
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  Speaker 2: middle schoolers about like oil companies and like the just
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  Speaker 2: nonsense things that like, no, the children are sitting there,
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  Speaker 2: like what are you saying? And this is before Trump's
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  Speaker 2: first term, so yeah, it only got progressively worse from there.
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  Speaker 1: There's one thing that's like telling in this piece, in
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  Speaker 1: this excerpt that maybe they're not truly reckoning with it,
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  Speaker 1: is that they put it in Clooney's perspective. But they
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  Speaker 1: say Biden gave a rousing State of the Union address
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  Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty four, and I'm like, that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't good. That wasn't a good I know where bar
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  Speaker 1: is low, yes, but when he gave that speech, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I always say that like they found a way to
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  Speaker 1: sort of respute in him to where he needed to
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  Speaker 1: be most of the time. And that was one of
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  Speaker 1: the nights where they like, he was out there, he
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  Speaker 1: was shouting, he was doing shout whisper, he was going
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  Speaker 1: to a big shout, he was doing the whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: and like, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a shout whisper.
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  Speaker 1: He did say the words, but it was not a
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  Speaker 1: good speech. This is not a speech by a guy
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  Speaker 1: who you went like, yeah, he needs four more years,
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  Speaker 1: and that the idea that we were still sort of
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  Speaker 1: being fooled in March of twenty twenty four, when a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us were like, h right, no, no, no, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you bypassed your primary season. But that's not
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  Speaker 1: our fault.
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  Speaker 2: Right, They did that on purpose. I mean, let's be
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  Speaker 2: real about that too. They could not move Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: off the stage. I don't know how they were planning
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  Speaker 2: to do that. It's funny because I you know, I
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  Speaker 2: got stuff right. I like to repost my column from
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two saying that something's wrong with the president,
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  Speaker 2: but I got stuff wrong. I didn't think Biden, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think Biden would step down. I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: he would not run. I thought I thought he would
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  Speaker 2: make it to the end. And Buck Sexton, who had
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  Speaker 2: the same prediction I did, likes to say we were right.
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  Speaker 1: He did run, he just didn't finish the race. And
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  Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't even run. He didn't even really
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  Speaker 1: step down, so exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Like maybe he knew he stepped down, maybe he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing was that I knew that they could
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  Speaker 2: not replace him with Gavin Newsom or I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There was all these crazy ideas Michelle Obama, it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be Kamala Harris no matter what. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they're not going to do that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a crazy thing for them to do.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I am enjoying. I am enjoying the debate
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  Speaker 1: that they're having. You know, the the Lebron Jordan Goat
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  Speaker 1: debate is always very interesting because they both have they're
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  Speaker 1: both incredible. They're both incredible. I'm a Jordan gal myself,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's a it's an interesting debate because you
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  Speaker 1: can continue to talk about it forever. This is like
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  Speaker 1: that but worst of all time, because both of them
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  Speaker 1: were so bad that they're like, oh, well, she only
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  Speaker 1: needed more time. If she'd had more time, I think
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  Speaker 1: she would have done worse. She needed least time, and
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I totally could have beat him, and I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't. You were much further behind than her, and
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  Speaker 1: she's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I still think Biden would have done better
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  Speaker 2: than she did. I know I do, because he was
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  Speaker 2: despite being not with it and the fact that he
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  Speaker 2: was definitely losing it. I think people trusted him and
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  Speaker 2: they knew him in a way that they just didn't
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  Speaker 2: know her. And I think that's what they mean when
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  Speaker 2: they say she needed more time to gain the voter's trust.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think she would have because she was
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  Speaker 2: not capable of it, right, the whole like not going
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  Speaker 2: on Joe Rogan wasn't about going on Joe Rogan. She
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  Speaker 2: could not talk for two hours, she could not talk
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  Speaker 2: for an hour.
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  Speaker 1: She couldn't right, she wouldn't be able.
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  Speaker 2: To do any of that without making some major major gaffs.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean she had less time, she had a
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  Speaker 2: better shot.
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  Speaker 1: As from a liberals point of view, just like you know,
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  Speaker 1: they can't imagine how anyone would ever see Trump as
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  Speaker 1: an option, So just from their point of view, if
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  Speaker 1: you're arguing about these two Yeah, just know that she
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  Speaker 1: was so bad as vice president that she lost a
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  Speaker 1: plausibility contest with Donald Trump, right, and that he lied
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  Speaker 1: so much about his own condition that he lost a
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  Speaker 1: character argument to Donald Trump. That's the answer here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, speaking of Donald Trump, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They've really got it all together now. I will say
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  Speaker 1: I am glad, even though it's belated, and even though
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  Speaker 1: it's because Biden is disposable at this point, I do
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that there will be more of a record of
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  Speaker 1: what went down. I wish it was more in the
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  Speaker 1: nitty gritty of who was running the White House and
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  Speaker 1: who was running the country. And I hope we get
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  Speaker 1: some of that as this process goes on, because unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: the way the situation works is the people who have
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  Speaker 1: the access are the ones who get that story. And
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  Speaker 1: we do need to know for history what was happening there,
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  Speaker 1: and the American people need to know, don't forget that
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  Speaker 1: it happened.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm waiting for a staffer book. The first
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: staffer book is going to be I think a big one,
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  Speaker 2: just because somebody give us a banger. Yeah, somebody's got
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  Speaker 2: to be willing to break that code of silence. They
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  Speaker 2: might have trouble working in democratic politics again though, So.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not like the Bidens are beloved
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  Speaker 1: and Biden help these people out. No, he's got he's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: got children to pay for.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Still, it's hard to see them telling the true story,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: being honest, and still getting to hang around democratic politics.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: So they have to be willing to take a leap.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Come on, staffers, do it, do it? Do it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: They don't have to pay for a Jake Sullivan book.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll be right back on normally. Well, the President
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: continues his Middle East tour. I thought he gave a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: really good speech in Saudi Arabia. I like that speech.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm hearing things that other people
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: aren't hearing, but I didn't hear an isolationist speech, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I certainly didn't hear an anti Israel speech. Two things
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: that I saw mentioned a lot on X I heard
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: a president say that America will stand with their allies
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: and hopes to make new allies. I'm okay with all that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very open to Donald Trump's philosophies in the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Middle East because last time around you got the Abraham Accords. Yeah,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you moved you moved the embassy. What was the thing
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: we were always told you moved the embassy. It's World
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: War three, right, the embassy can't be in Jerusalem. It's
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the end of the world. And he does it. It's
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: like me and then it's done. Yeah, And it's been
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: there ever since, and it should have been there from
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the beginning. So when when he wants to think differently
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: about the Middle East, I am very open to that,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: totally so. And when he talks to different people, I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: think he you know, like we've talked about many times,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: he loves to be loved and that is a that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is an issue particular with royalty. If I love to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: be loved. And also someone brought a mobile McDonald's around
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: with me while I was on my trip in sign Ravain. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I gotta say I might be wooed, right, I didn't.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I did enjoy that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Like the things that hold out hold out for bol Jangles,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I mean McDonald's, Maren Katherine, Hey, you know, I have
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: a wide variety of food that I would enjoy.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So anyway, those are issues, but I do allow for
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the idea that his weird thinking and outside the box
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: thinking way different than the diplomatic core in DC can
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: be beneficial to the United States of America. I love
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that Dan Alexander is with his family. He's posting pictures
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: on social media, having beers in public places and loving. Yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it's a sin that every American doesn't know his name.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It really is, like that's been a wild thing about
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: post October seventh. Yeah, Americans trapped by terrorists in a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: foreign land that attacked our ally. We don't know their names.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Regular Americans don't know their names because it just didn't
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: warrant coverage.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's really crazy, really unacceptable. Yeah. I like that he
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: was released without giving up any terrorists. My point of
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: criticism was in the first deal that Witcough helped negotiate,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I thought he should have been named number one America first,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: guys America first, so the Americans should have been out first.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I think Wincoff makes me a little nervous. In general.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: He does, He definitely does. I don't trust him necessarily,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: but I like in general on this issue, I'm open.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I am willing to be wrong. I want to be wrong.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I want him to be this incredible negotiator who fixes
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: all this. Nobody wants peace more than Israel does, so
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: if that's where this is headed, I would love for
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it to happen for them. You know, we talked about
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: it in the last episode. There was rumor that Edon
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was going to go to Kutar and meet with Trump there.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That didn't happen, you know that. Yeah, I said that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that that was going to happen. People
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: commented they liked that. I pointed out that Israel has
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: a far left media just like we do, and you
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: have to take a lot of things that come out
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of there with a large grain of salt. Another story
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: last week was that Trump was going to imminently recognize
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the country of Palestine. That didn't happen. I mean, you
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: just we have to temper our news intake from there,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: just like we do from here. I will tell you
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the story that I most loved from the Middle East
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of this trip is Trump flat out saying to Syria
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: recognize the existence of Israel. Like that's a very trumpy
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Who else does that?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Who else?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Guys? I think you should recognize Israel, know what I mean?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's it's wild.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very chump.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a different he's a different creature in these ways.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think Trump is a real conundrum because
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: what he does is he talks all the time. He
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: never almost never leaves anything off the table. So if
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you ask him about a possibility, it doesn't matter how
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: crazy the possibility is. And this is what the press
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: does sometimes, doesn't matter how crazy the possibility is or
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: how little he's going to engage in it, he just
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't want it off the table, right, And he's like, oh,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't say one hundred percent, we wouldn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: do that. Like, if nuking the moon is an option,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I want it available to me right right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Why would I take nuking the moon off the table?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So but as a result, you and I and the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: press and people reading the press don't know which parts
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to take seriously and which parts not. And then the press,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the binding itself up, makes it worse for everybody. So
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: we try our bat. I think you had some good,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: good predictions the other day, and I'm glad to cant
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that worked out that way.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: back with normally, I think we should turn to the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: most important issue of the day, our sheath dresses. Maga.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I saw that, Heideline, and I was like, oh God,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The New York Times is just so good panting articles
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: for me and you to talk about on this show.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: They're like, we heard this show normally likes to mock
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: this kind of thing. Let us give them some ammunition here.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: So this is sweet. Miriam has written into The New
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: York Times for some advice, and she says my style
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: can be described as modern, minimalist meets classic. I own
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: several sheath dressed dresses that fit and flatter, but when
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I put them on now, they echo what I see
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: as Maga style. How can I restyle them without sacrificing
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: my aesthetic. It's like girls just put on a dress
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: with like a leather jacket from us wear.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: A sheath dress however you want to wear it, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: double middle fingers to anybody who doesn't like it. I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: just like, I don't know. There's like, there's so much
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: of this that I just don't understand why people change
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: because of politics. You know, there's the anti Israel protesters
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: use the watermelon to signify that they hate Israel or whatever.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not not putting my kids like in a watermelon
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: bathing suit because of that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I don't care what you think.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: It's my watermelon.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't understand how they just give up
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the sheath dress. I wouldn't be like, oh, well, liberals
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: wear sheath dresses, so I'm not gonna wear it, even
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: though it looks good on me.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of li I wear a lot of lib clothing,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like I'm I can be very lib signally in my
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: giant jeans and T shirts. On the right of it
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: says there's a very specific look associated with women who
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: subscribe to the Trump worldview, one that is sort of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a cross between a Fox newscaster and Miss Universe, Thank
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you very much. It generally involves flowing tresses, their at
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: least shoulder length. I hit that one. I guess, yes,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: fairly false eyelashes, don't have those plumped up cheeks and lips,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: high heels.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: And as you say, a sheath dress, she says it
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: it speaks to an almost cartoonish femininity that speaks to
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: a relatively old fashioned gender stereo type.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Please you know.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And they put a picture of Lara Chump to illustrate it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: On She's unreal in that nuture.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: She looks so good, that's the thing her. So she's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: got her she's got her guns out, and they are
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: guns and they look fantastic. And by the way, that's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: not that's not a traditionally cartoonishly feminine look right to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: have biceps and delts sticking out of your sheath dress.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But I happen to like that look. She looks great,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: go Lara, right, it's just so silly. And by the way,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: if this were liberals, they would never talk about their
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: looks this way at all. Ever, there's a there's a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: term that The New York Times says had maral Lago face,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: which is like this way that they all look. But actually,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: if you the ones that they list as as perpetrators
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of this look, many of them look very different. Like Pandi,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Pambondi and Millennia look extremely different totally. Pam Bondi wears
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a pants suit all the time. She doesn't wear she's dressed.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Right, she doesn't do the jacket dress that Milania pulls off.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So well, no, that's exactly right. They don't look alike.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: They only look alike when you're a crazy person. Writing
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: for The New York Times, and the advice that they
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: give to this woman is keep your hair natural or messy,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: makes your makeup minimal and your heels low. Lady, they're
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: trying to make you look ugly.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Like they also say, shy away from red, white and blue.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Look y'all, stop letting us take pretty and patriotic from you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Not a good move, so obvious, but like they just
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: keep falling for it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: H Yeah, just like they did with We talked about
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that lib streamer Hassan Piker, who they were like, this
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: guy's good looking. It signals maga. This is a cell phone.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Do not engage in this messaging. Have your sheaf dreath,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: dress with your with your guns out, and look good.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: If you're a little lady, go ahead and do it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Do it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Goodness gracious.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,
• 27:21
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• 27:24
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• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally