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Profile Of Evil: The BTK Killer (9/25/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program Yesterday
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  Speaker 1: we started a new segment called the profile of evil
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  Speaker 1: and we kicked it off by talking about Gary Ridgeway
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  Speaker 1: Well today we're gonna talk a little bit about Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Rader and to kick things off what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do from here on out is start by a whole
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  Speaker 1: profile of And then we'll dive into the articles.
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  Speaker 2: So to do the profile, we'll use Wikipedia.
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  Speaker 1: And then off of there, we'll add some more context
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  Speaker 1: about their crimes using different articles. And to get things
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  Speaker 1: kicked off, I figured we'd start with Dennis Rader considering
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  Speaker 1: his loose ties to Brian Kohlberger. So let's just dive
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  Speaker 1: right into the profile of Dennis Rader and let's see
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  Speaker 1: what evil really looks like. This information is from Wikipedia.
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  Speaker 1: Dennis Lynn Rader, born March 9, 1945, is an American
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  Speaker 1: serial killer known as BTK, an abbreviation he gave himself
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  Speaker 1: for Bind, Torture, and Kill. The BTK Strangler, or the
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  Speaker 1: BTK Killer, between 1974 and 1991, he killed 10 people
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  Speaker 1: in Wichita and Park City, Kansas, and sent taunting letters
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  Speaker 1: to police and media outlets describing the details of his crimes.
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  Speaker 1: After a decade-long hiatus, Rader resumed sending letters in 2004,
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  Speaker 1: leading to his 2005 arrest and subsequent guilty plea. He
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  Speaker 1: is currently serving 10 consecutive life sentences at the El
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  Speaker 1: Dorado Correctional Facility. Life and Background Rader was born on
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  Speaker 1: March 9, 1945, to Dorothy Mae Rader, Nee Cook, and
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  Speaker 1: William Elvin Rader. one of four sons. Sources give Rader's
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  Speaker 1: place of birth as either Columbus, Kansas or Pittsburgh, Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: He grew up in Wichita. Both parents worked long hours
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  Speaker 1: and paid little attention to their children at home. Rader
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  Speaker 1: later described feeling ignored by his mother in particular and
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  Speaker 1: resenting her for it. From a young age, Rader harbored
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  Speaker 1: sadistic sexual fantasies about torturing trapped and helpless women. He
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  Speaker 1: also exhibited a by torturing, killing, and hanging small animals.
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  Speaker 1: Rader acted out sexual fetishes for voyeurism, autoerotic asphyxiation, and cross-dressing.
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  Speaker 1: He often spied on female neighbors while dressed in women's clothing,
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  Speaker 1: including women's underwear that he had stolen, and masturbated with
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  Speaker 1: ropes or other bindings around his arms and neck. Years later,
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  Speaker 1: during his cooling-off periods... Between murders, Rader would take pictures
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  Speaker 1: of himself wearing women's clothing and a female mask while bound.
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  Speaker 1: He later admitted that he was pretending to be his
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  Speaker 1: victims as part of a sexual fantasy. However, Rader kept
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  Speaker 1: his sexual proclivities well hidden, and he was widely regarded
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  Speaker 1: in his community as a normal, polite, and well-mannered man.
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  Speaker 1: After graduating from Wichita Heights High School, Rader attended Kansas
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  Speaker 1: Wesleyan University, but received mediocre grades and dropped out after
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  Speaker 1: one year. He served in the United States Air Force
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  Speaker 1: from 1966 to 1970. On discharge, he moved to Park City,
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  Speaker 1: a suburb of Wichita, where he worked in the meat
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  Speaker 1: department of an IGA supermarket where his mother was a bookkeeper.
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  Speaker 1: Rader married Paula Dietz on May 22, 1971, and they
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  Speaker 1: had two children. Kerry, and Bryan. He attended Butler County
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  Speaker 1: Community College in El Dorado, earning an associate degree in
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  Speaker 1: electronics in 1973. He then enrolled in Wichita State University
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  Speaker 1: and graduated in 1979 with a Bachelor of Science degree,
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  Speaker 1: majoring in Administration of Justice. Rader initially worked as an
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  Speaker 1: assembler for the Coleman Company, an outdoor supply company. He
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  Speaker 1: then worked at the Wichita-based Office of ADT Security Services
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  Speaker 1: from 1974 to 1988, where he installed security alarms as
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  Speaker 1: part of his job, in many cases for homeowners concerned.
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  Speaker 2: About the BTK killings.
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  Speaker 1: Rader was a census field operations supervisor for the Wichita
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  Speaker 1: area in 1989, before the 1990 federal census. In May
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  Speaker 1: of 1991, Rader became a dog catcher and compliance officer
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  Speaker 1: in Park City. In his position, neighbors recalled him being
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  Speaker 1: sometimes overzealous and extremely strict, as well as taking special
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  Speaker 1: pleasure in bullying and harassing single women. One neighbor complained
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  Speaker 1: that Rader killed her dog for no reason. Rader was
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita and
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  Speaker 1: had been elected president of the church council. He was
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  Speaker 1: also a Cub Scout leader. On July 26, 2005, After
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  Speaker 1: Rader's arrest, his wife was granted an emergency divorce, waiving
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  Speaker 1: the normal waiting period. In an interview with ABC News
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  Speaker 1: in 2019, Rader's daughter Carrie said she still writes to
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  Speaker 1: her father and has now forgiven him, but still struggles
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  Speaker 1: to reconcile him with BTK Killer, stating her childhood seemed
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  Speaker 1: normal and they were a normal American family. Case History
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  Speaker 1: Murders On January 15, 1974, four members of the Otero
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  Speaker 1: family were murdered in Wichita, Kansas. The victims were Joseph Otero,
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  Speaker 1: age 36, Julie Otero, age 33, Joseph Otero Jr., age 9,
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  Speaker 1: and Josephine Otero, age 11. Their bodies were discovered by
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  Speaker 1: the family's three older children, Charlie, Danny, and Carmen, who
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  Speaker 1: had been at school at the time of the killings.
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  Speaker 1: After his 2005 arrest, Rader confessed to killing the Otero family.
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  Speaker 1: Rader wrote a letter that had been stashed inside an
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  Speaker 1: engineering book in the Wichita Public Library in October of 1974,
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  Speaker 1: which described in detail the killing of the Otero family
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  Speaker 1: in January of that year. Between the spring of 1974
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  Speaker 1: and winter of 1977, Rader killed three more women, Catherine Bright,
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  Speaker 1: April 4th of 1974, Shirley Vlan Relford, March 17th of 1977,
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  Speaker 1: and Nancy Fox, December 8th, 1977. In early 1978, he
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  Speaker 1: sent another letter to television station KAKE in Wichita, claiming
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for the murders of the Oteros, Bright, Vlan Relford,
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  Speaker 1: and Fox. He suggested many possible names for himself, including
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  Speaker 1: the one that stuck, BTK. He demanded media attention in
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  Speaker 1: his second letter, and it was finally announced that Wichita
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  Speaker 1: did indeed have a serial killer at large. A poem
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  Speaker 1: was enclosed titled, O Death to Nancy, a parody of
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics of the American folk song, O Death. In
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  Speaker 1: the letter, he claimed to be driven to kill by
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  Speaker 1: Factor X, which he characterized as a supernatural element that
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  Speaker 1: also motivated Jack the Ripper, the Son of Sam, and
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  Speaker 1: the Hillside Strangler murders. He also intended to kill others,
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  Speaker 1: such as Anna Williams, who in 1979, age 63, escaped
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  Speaker 1: death by returning home much later than expected. Rader explained
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  Speaker 1: during his confession that he became obsessed with Williams and
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely livid when she evaded him. He spent hours
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  Speaker 1: waiting at her home, but became impatient and left, when
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  Speaker 1: she did not return home from visiting friends. Maureen Hedge,
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  Speaker 1: age 53, was found on May 5th, 1985, at East
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  Speaker 1: 53rd Street, north between North Webb Road and North Greenwich
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  Speaker 1: Road in Wichita. Rader killed her on April 27th and
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  Speaker 1: took her dead body to his church, Christ Lutheran Church,
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  Speaker 1: where he was the president of the church council. There,
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  Speaker 1: he photographed her body in various bondage positions. Rader had
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  Speaker 1: previously stored black plastic sheets, and other materials at the
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  Speaker 1: church in preparation for the murder and then later dumped
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  Speaker 1: the body in a remote ditch. He had called his
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  Speaker 1: plan Project Cookie. In 1988, after the murders of three
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  Speaker 1: members of the Fager family in Wichita, a letter was
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  Speaker 1: received from someone claiming to be the BTK killer, in
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  Speaker 1: which the author of the letter denied being the perpetrator
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  Speaker 1: of the Fagler murders. The author credited the killer with
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  Speaker 1: having done admirable work. It was not proven until 2005
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  Speaker 1: that this letter was, in fact, written by Rader. He
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  Speaker 1: is not considered by police to have committed this crime.
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  Speaker 1: Two women, Rader stalked in the 1980s, and one of
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  Speaker 1: whom he stalked in the mid-1990s, filed restraining orders against him.
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  Speaker 1: One of them also changed her address to avoid him.
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  Speaker 1: His final victim, Dolores E. Davis, was found on February 1, 1991,
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  Speaker 1: at West 117th Street North and North Meridian Street in
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  Speaker 1: Park City. Rader killed her on January 19. Cold Case
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  Speaker 1: By 2004, the investigation of the BTK killer was considered
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  Speaker 1: a cold case. Then Rader initiated a series of 11
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  Speaker 1: communications with local media, and this activity continued led directly
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  Speaker 1: to his arrest in February of 2005. In March 2004,
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  Speaker 1: the Wichita Eagle received a letter from someone using the
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  Speaker 1: name Bill Thomas Killman. The author of the letter claimed
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  Speaker 1: that he had murdered Vicki Wengerle on September 16, 1986,
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  Speaker 1: and enclosed photographs of the crime scene and a photocopy
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  Speaker 1: of her driver's license, which had been stolen at the
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  Speaker 1: time of the crime. Before this, it had not been
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  Speaker 1: definitively established that Wegler was killed by BTK. DNA collected
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  Speaker 1: from under Wegler's fingernails provided police with previously unknown evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And they then began DNA testing hundreds of men in
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  Speaker 1: an effort to find the serial killer. Altogether, more than 1,300
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  Speaker 1: DNA samples were taken and later destroyed by court order.
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  Speaker 1: In May of 2004, television station KAKE in Wichita received
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  Speaker 1: a letter with chapter headings for the BTK story, fake IDs,
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  Speaker 1: and a word puzzle. On June 9th, a package was
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  Speaker 1: found taped to a stop sign at the corner of
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  Speaker 1: 1st and Kansas Roads in Wichita. It had graphic descriptions
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  Speaker 1: of the Otero murders and a sketch labeled, The Sexual
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  Speaker 1: Thrill Is My Bill. As enclosed, also enclosed, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: was a chapter list for a proposed book titled The
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  Speaker 1: BTK Story, which mimicked a story written in 1999 by
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  Speaker 1: Court TV crime writer David Lohr. Chapter one was titled
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  Speaker 1: A Serial Killer is Born. In July, a package dropped
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  Speaker 1: into the return slot at a public library contained more
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  Speaker 1: bizarre material, including the claim that he was responsible for
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  Speaker 1: the death of 19-year-old Jake Allen in Argonia, Kansas, earlier
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  Speaker 1: that month. This claim was false, and the death was
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  Speaker 1: ruled a suicide. After his capture, Rader admitted in his
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  Speaker 1: interrogation that he had been planning to kill again, and
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  Speaker 1: he had set a date, October 2004, and was stalking
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  Speaker 1: his intended victim. In October 2004, a manila envelope was
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  Speaker 1: dropped into a UPS box in Wichita. It had many
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  Speaker 1: cards with images of terror and bondage of children pasted
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  Speaker 1: on them, a poem threatening the life of lead investigator,
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  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Ken Landauer, and a false autobiography with many details
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  Speaker 1: about Rader's life. These details were later released to the public.
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  Speaker 1: In December 2004, Wichita police received another package from the
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  Speaker 1: BTK killer. This time, the package was found in Wichita's
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch Park. It had the driver's license of Nancy Fox,
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  Speaker 1: which was noted as stolen from the crime scene, as
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  Speaker 1: well as a doll that was symbolically bound at hands
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  Speaker 1: and feet and a plastic bag tied over its head.
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  Speaker 1: In January of 2005, Rader attempted to leave a cereal
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  Speaker 1: box in the bed of a pickup truck at a
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  Speaker 1: Home Depot in Wichita, but the box was discarded by
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  Speaker 1: the truck's owner. It was later retrieved from the trash
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  Speaker 1: after Rader asked what had become of his latest message.
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  Speaker 1: Surveillance tape of the parking lot from that date revealed
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  Speaker 1: a distant figure driving a black Jeep Cherokee leaving the
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  Speaker 1: box in the pickup. In February 2005, more postcards were
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  Speaker 1: sent to K.A., K.E., and another cereal box left at
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  Speaker 1: a rural location was found to contain another bound doll.
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  Speaker 1: In his letters to police, Rader asked if his writings,
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  Speaker 1: if put on a floppy disk, could be traced or not.
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  Speaker 1: The police answered his question, in a newspaper ad posted
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  Speaker 1: in the Wichita Eagle saying it would be safe to
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  Speaker 1: use the disc. On February 16, 2005, Raider sent a
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  Speaker 1: purple 1.44 megabyte Memorex floppy disk to Fox affiliate KSAS-TV
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  Speaker 1: in Wichita. Also enclosed were a letter, a gold-colored necklace,
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  Speaker 1: and a large medallion, a photocopy of the cover of
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  Speaker 1: Rules of Prey, a 1989 novel by John Sanford about
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer. Police found metadata embedded in a deleted
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  Speaker 1: Microsoft Word document that was unknown to Rader still stored
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  Speaker 1: on the floppy disk. The metadata contained the words Christ
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  Speaker 1: Lutheran Church and the document was marked as last modified
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  Speaker 1: by Dennis. An internet search determined that a Dennis Rader
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  Speaker 1: was president of the church council. When investigators drove by
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  Speaker 1: Rader's house, a black Jeep Cherokee, the type of vehicle
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  Speaker 1: seen in the Home Depot surveillance footage was parked outside.
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  Speaker 1: This was strong circumstantial evidence against Rader, but they needed
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  Speaker 1: more direct evidence to detain him.
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  Speaker 2: Police obtained a warrant to.
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  Speaker 1: Test pap smear taken from Rader's daughter at the Kansas
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  Speaker 1: State University Medical Clinic. DNA tests showed a familial match
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  Speaker 1: between the pap smear and the sample from Wegerle's fingernails.
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  Speaker 1: This indicated that the killer was closely related to Rader's
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  Speaker 1: daughter and combined with the other evidence was enough for
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  Speaker 1: police to arrest Rader.
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  Speaker 2: The arrest.
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  Speaker 1: Rader was arrested while driving near his home in Park
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  Speaker 1: City shortly after noon on February 25th of 2005. An
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  Speaker 1: officer asked Mr. Rader, do you know why you're going downtown?
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  Speaker 1: Rader replied, oh, I have my suspicions why. Wichita Police,
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  Speaker 1: the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, and ATF agents
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  Speaker 1: searched Rader's home and vehicle, seizing evidence including computer equipment,
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  Speaker 1: a pair of black pantyhose retrieved from a shed, a
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  Speaker 1: cylindrical container. The church he attended, his office at City Hall,
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  Speaker 1: and the main branch of the Park City Library were
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  Speaker 1: also searched. At a press conference the next morning, Wichita
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  Speaker 1: Police Chief Norman Williams announced, the bottom line.
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  Speaker 2: BTK is arrested.
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  Speaker 1: Legal Proceedings On February 28, 2005, Rader was charged with
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  Speaker 1: 10 counts of first-degree murder. Soon after his arrest, the
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  Speaker 1: Associated Press cited an anonymous source alleging that Rader had
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  Speaker 1: confessed to other murders in addition to those with which
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  Speaker 1: he had been connected. However, the Sedgwick County District Attorney
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  Speaker 1: denied the story, yet refused to say whether Rader had
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  Speaker 1: made any confessions or if investigators were looking into Rader's
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  Speaker 1: possible involvement in more unsolved killings. On March 5th, news
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  Speaker 1: sources claimed to have verified by multiple sources that Rader
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  Speaker 1: had confessed to the 10 murders he was charged with,
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  Speaker 1: but no other ones. On March 1st, Rader's bail was
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  Speaker 1: set at $ 10 million and the public defender was appointed
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  Speaker 1: to represent him. On May 3rd, the judge entered not
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  Speaker 1: guilty pleas on Rader's behalf as Rader did not speak
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  Speaker 1: at his arraignment. However, on June 27th, the scheduled trial
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  Speaker 1: date Rader changed his plea to guilty. He described the
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  Speaker 1: murders in detail and made no apologies. At Rader's August
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  Speaker 1: 18 sentencing, the victim's families made statements, after which Rader
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  Speaker 1: apologized in a rambling 30-minute monologue that prosecutors likened to
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  Speaker 1: an Academy Awards acceptance speech. His statement has been described
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  Speaker 1: as an example of an often-observed phenomenon among psychopaths. their
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  Speaker 1: inability to understand the emotional content of language. He was
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to 10 consecutive life sentences with a minimum of
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  Speaker 1: 175 years. Kansas had no death penalty at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the murders. On August 19th, he was moved to
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  Speaker 1: El Dorado Correctional Facility. Rader talked about innocuous topics, such
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  Speaker 1: as the weather, during the 40-minute drive to El Dorado,
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  Speaker 1: but began to cry when the victim's family statements from
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  Speaker 1: the court proceedings came on the radio. He is now
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  Speaker 1: in solitary confinement for his protection, with one hour of
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  Speaker 1: exercise per day and showers three times per week. This
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  Speaker 1: will likely continue indefinitely. Beginning in 2006, he was allowed
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  Speaker 1: access to television and radio to read magazines and other
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  Speaker 1: privileges for good behavior. Following Rader's arrest, police in Wichita,
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  Speaker 1: Park City, and several surrounding cities looked into unsolved cases
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  Speaker 1: with cooperation of the state police and the FBI. They
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  Speaker 1: particularly focused on cases after 1994 when the death penalty
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  Speaker 1: was reinstated in Kansas. Police in surrounding states such as Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: and Texas also investigated cold cases that fit Rader's pattern
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  Speaker 1: to some extent. The FBI and local jurisdictions at Rader's
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  Speaker 1: former duty stations investigated checked into unsolved cases during Rader's
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  Speaker 1: time in the service. After exhaustive investigations, none of these
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  Speaker 1: agencies discovered any further murders attributable to Rader, confirming early
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  Speaker 1: suspicions that Rader would have taken credit for any additional
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  Speaker 1: murders that he had committed. The 10 known murders are
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  Speaker 1: now believed to be the only murders for which Rader
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  Speaker 1: is actually responsible. Although Wichita police believe are fairly certain
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  Speaker 1: that Rader stalked and researched a number of other potential victims.
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  Speaker 1: This includes one person who was saved when Rader called
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  Speaker 1: off his planned attack upon his arrival near the target's
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  Speaker 1: home due to the presence of construction and road crews nearby.
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  Speaker 1: Rader stated in his police interview that there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of lucky people, meaning that he had thought about
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  Speaker 1: and developed various levels of murder planning.
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  Speaker 2: For other victims.
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  Speaker 1: Evaluation by Robert Mendoza. Massachusetts psychologist Robert Mendoza was hired
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  Speaker 1: by Rader's court-appointed public defenders to conduct a psychological evaluation
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  Speaker 1: of Rader and determined if an insanity-based defense might be viable.
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  Speaker 1: He conducted an interview after Rader had pleaded guilty on
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  Speaker 1: June 27, 2005. Mendoza diagnosed Rader with narcissistic, antisocial, and
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  Speaker 1: obsessive-compulsive personality disorders. He observed that Rader has a grandiose
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  Speaker 1: sense of self, a belief that he is special, and
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  Speaker 1: therefore entitled to special treatment, a pathological need for attention
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  Speaker 1: and admiration, a preoccupation with maintaining rigid order and structure,
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  Speaker 1: and a complete lack of empathy. The videotape of Mendoza's
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  Speaker 1: interview ended up being used on NBC's Dateline. NBC claimed
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  Speaker 1: Rader knew the interview might be televised, but this was
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  Speaker 1: false according to the Sedgwick County Sheriff's Office. Rader mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the interview during his sentencing statement. On October 25, 2005,
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  Speaker 1: the Kansas Attorney General filed a petition saying, to sue
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  Speaker 1: Mendoza and Talley Waters, co-owners of Cambridge Forensic Consultants, LLC,
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  Speaker 1: for a breach of contract, claiming that they intended to
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  Speaker 1: benefit financially from the use of information obtained through involvement
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  Speaker 1: in Raiders' defense. On May 10, 2007, Mendoza settled the
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  Speaker 1: case for $ 30, 000 with no admission of wrongdoing. The Victims
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Otero, 38 Julia Maria Otero, 38. Joseph Otero Jr., 9.
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  Speaker 1: Josephine Otero, 11. Catherine Doreen Bright, 21. Kevin Bright, the
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  Speaker 1: only one who survived the BTK killer, by the way, 19.
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  Speaker 1: Shirley Ruth Vlan Relford, 24. Nancy Jo Fox, 25. Maureen
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  Speaker 1: Wallace Hedge, 53. Vicky Lynn Wegerle, 28. Dolores Earline Johnson Davis, 62. Well,
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  Speaker 1: as you can see here, folks, BTK was one sick
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  Speaker 1: son of a bitch. And the things that he was
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  Speaker 1: getting up to are almost too disgusting and too gross
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  Speaker 1: to even imagine. So what we'll be doing is following
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  Speaker 1: this entry up with a couple of articles talking about
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  Speaker 1: BTK and moving forward with this segment. That will be
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  Speaker 1: the template moving forward. All right, folks, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
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  Speaker 1: goes along with this episode can be found in the
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  Speaker 1: description box.