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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Underwater Menace (animated 2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None hamster with a blunt penknife
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  for. Doing quicker, quicker.
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  Welcome back to A Hamster with a Blunt Penknife, a Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast, and I'm Here SAT in Joe's living room about
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  to watch the second episode of a classic Doctor Who story.
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  What classic Doctor Who story is that, Joe?
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  We're currently cosied up on the sofa because we're recording
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  around my phone so we've got to be very close to it.
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  We've got cushions all around. I think it's just an excuse for
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  Joe to sit on my lap. I'll be there by the end of this
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  story, I promise. Today we are talking about the
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  four part Patrick Trouton Classic.
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  Classic. That came, I think, bottom of
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  the oh, recently. The underwater menace is it?
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  Did it really come? Bottom it was this and the Space
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  Pirates. I think that was right down the
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  bottom. No.
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  Yeah, dominable snowman was quite high you.
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  Know snowmen and ice warriors go right to the bottom for me.
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  Oh. That's boring, yeah.
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  I'd rather watch the Dominators. I was literally on that VHS
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  release they did. They did have two episodes.
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  They managed to condense down episodes two and three into 5
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  minutes of animation. Yeah, they could condense the
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  whole thing down into about 10 minutes of animation.
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  Yeah. Are we going to press the
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  reactor and get the ship out, yes or no?
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  Yes, right at the end. There you go.
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  I did promise you some trivia at the start of this episode.
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  Well, so by all accounts that Annika wills this comes from.
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  So whether it's true or not. Her and Donald Tosh don't
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  believe a word they fucking say. Well, what she does say is that
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  Patrick Trout was a bit of a, a Mystic and he was quite excited
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  to have a story set in Atlantis and when all these sort of
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  scripts were up in the end, because there were lots of
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  scripts falling out, you know, the William Ms., the Imps.
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  All the Imps and. Things like this, they were sort
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  of scripts coming. That must the fucking Imps have
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  been to make this over the Imps basically.
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  To Galaxy. War.
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  Oh, Jesus Christ. Anyway, so he was really excited
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  and then he got the scream and she describes him as being
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  incandescent with rage because he was really nervous about
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  taking on the role. And he was Lombard with this.
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  Shit. And he read the script and he
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  went. This is just, I think they
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  called it a dog. It's a dog.
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  He wasn't very nice to. Was it Paddy Russell?
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  No, it wasn't Paddy Russell, was it?
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  It was. Julia Smith, they talk about
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  that as well. They weren't.
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  Very nice to her about it either.
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  That poor woman. And Annika Wills actually says
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  her and Michael Craze because Trout was new and they loved
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  working with him. He told the line Trout was the
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  one being horrible to Julia Smith and they sort of followed
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  suit. And she said, actually it was a
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  bit shameful how we treated it. Yeah, because it, she didn't
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  write the script and she was given the script and kind of had
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  this mammoth task of trying to make it.
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  I know she got in touch with it was given to somebody else first
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  to refuse to. Yeah, Hugh, Hugh Lloyd.
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  Hugh Lloyd. That did the Highlanders.
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  Yeah, caught the script for this.
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  He took one look at. He went to Pinewood apparently,
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  and said can we do this? Yeah.
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  And somebody in the know said no, Yeah.
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  And so he said I want. Because they just done
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  Thunderball, I want to say, or something like that, the James
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  Bond film. So which is, you know, lots set
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  underwater. So he went to look for some
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  advice. Yeah.
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  And the whole thing of can we do this was like, no, you can't,
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  Not on the budget you've got. If you've got the James Bond
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  budget, then yes you can. And so it goes to Julia Smith.
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  Yeah, everybody's appalling to her.
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  Yeah, which I just, I mean, the way people used to behave like
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  it wouldn't fly now, no. No.
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  It wouldn't fly at all. You're not.
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  You can't. You can't behave.
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  Like that? Wow, we, we are unfortunately
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  not going to see what people how they behave because we're
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  watching. A much better version.
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  An elevated version. Shall we skip into two?
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  Yeah, let's skip in. And are you counting it in?
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  You're counting. Yeah, it's my turn.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
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  Well, everybody go in 321. Off we go into this.
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  It's not quite colour. No, it's sort of a.
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  Weird electric blue. Yeah, blue is a colour though,
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  but it's a black and white. I always feel weird too.
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  Bitch, seeing a trout and story with the Hartnell titles, it
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  just feels a little weird. Oh.
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  I've only just. Noticed.
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  Yeah, they change. Why is it the faceless ones or
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  the macro terror? It changes.
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  Is it because they'd already animated?
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  Oh, because I'd animated? No, because the.
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  The ones that he has the the ones that Tracton does the 1st
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  the real I'm not not making sense.
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  I'm. No, no, no.
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  He's drinking fizzy water, folks.
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  That's. The bubbles I've come to my
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  head, the early trap stories all have the Heartwalt titles.
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  I hadn't realised. It changes about halfway through
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  this season. I can't remember exactly which
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  one it is, but it's either Macro Terror or the Faceless Ones by
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  the time we get to the evil of the Daleks.
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  Do you know what my problem is? Is I watch so much Doctor Who.
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  I see so many bloody title sequences in this podcast
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  though, they all just sort of blur into one for me after a
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  while. It's like when you see Pertwee
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  with the Tom Baker titles or Tom Baker with the Peter Davidson
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  titles. Or when you listen to an early
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  Big Finish when they were Tom Baker music.
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  Oh. Terrible mistake.
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  Very odd, very odd. You think they re release them
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  now with the right music, wouldn't you?
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  I'm. Surprised I haven't done that.
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  I mean, I'm sure that'll come soon.
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  Special Edition. I've got a question for you.
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  Hit me OK, Like a fucking double act, aren't we?
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  We finish each other's sentences.
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  Are we finishing each other off? The night is young.
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  Well, we are later I vanish under that table.
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  I'll only be. The night, it's 5 past three in
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  the afternoon. Yeah.
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  Oh, look where we are already. Looking at Zara's giant octopus.
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  It's very impressive, those tentacles, like, oh petite
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  impressive. What was I going to?
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  Ask you a question. If I've gone now, you turned it
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  to smut. I apologise.
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  Oh, I remember. Would you choose to watch this
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  the animated version or would you choose to watch the
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  original? This is the only one that I
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  would choose to watch the animated version of all of.
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  Them, yeah. I mean, I'm assuming we haven't
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  discovered episodes one and four for in this scenario.
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  As well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, as it currently stands, I think these animated versions of
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  this particular story are much better.
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  I heard people genuinely complaining that they didn't
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  just animate the missing episodes or like, could you
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  imagine how jarring that would be to go from, you know what is
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  probably quite, it looks quite sumptuous to the that
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  marketplace in the original 1, which is the corner of the
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  studio. Doctor Who fans are a weird
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  bunch. Hi, Jeremy Bentham, if you're
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  listening. Can you do that one per episode
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  please? Fuck off.
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  So we haven't quite got out of the cliche of strapping down
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  women and threatening. I mean, I've never got done that
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  out of that cliche. What I've we haven't got out of
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  that cliche. What's weird here is that she
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  the doctor's all in surgical clothes and then the other lady
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  can just come in in a fish covered clothes.
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  You know it doesn't. They haven't got quite got the
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  art of surgery down to it too. But it's of it's time to treat
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  women like this. I had a conversation with
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  somebody recently about problematic Doctor Who there's.
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  Loads of. It yeah, but just how I can sort
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  of accept it as a historical document rather than, you know,
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  something that could be OK now are you all right with this
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  stuff like, you know, like. Yeah, I'm fine with it.
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  Like I don't like the views don't necessarily represent my
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  own and it's it isn't a historical document of the times
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  I lived in for the Christmas episode of Too Hot for TV, which
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  will be coming out as we record this in a few days time.
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  But we'll probably be out about 6 months will be 6 months ago by
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  the time this comes out. We did.
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  All right, man, what a bitch that.
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  Was not a slight to you. That was not a slight we did
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  mean. They brought your brothers out?
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  Yeah. I won't wait to hear that we did
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  Curse of the Daleks, the stage play from the 60s and in that. 7
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  keys no. No Curse of the Daleks, not 7
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  keys. I don't know much about that
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  one, so. It's Daleks and only stage play
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  that came out in the 1965 for Christmas at the Wyndham Theatre
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  for one month and Big Finish adapted it.
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  And in that, written by David Whittaker and Terry Nation, it's
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  in the future and they explicitly say this, that it's
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  post feminism, where feminism and the women's Lib, as they
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  used to call it, happened and then there's no need for it
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  anymore, so women revert back to type.
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  Yes. It's bloody dreadful.
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  Post feminism. Yeah, I mean, they don't call it
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  that, but that is that is exactly how their feature is
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  described. God bless the 60s.
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  Yeah, Jesus. Christ.
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  Wild time. Oh my word, they've reverted to
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  time. Yeah.
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  By reverted to type, I'm sort of paraphrasing that I don't mean
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  that that's what women should refer to.
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  I mean, that's what either Whittaker or Nation thought.
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  I have always got a boner for another episode of two off
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  series. I'm.
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  Salivating for that one now, which was brought out 5 1/2
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  months ago. Sorry guys.
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  You can go and find it though. This scene in the original Trout
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  and sort of running rings around first.
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  Yeah, it's glorious and it's what's great about it is Trout
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  has been a bit over the top in Power of the Daleks and in the
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  Highlanders. I think he sees Joseph 1st and
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  before he's like, I just can't top that.
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  I'm going to have to play. It's for real.
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  And then Morris Barry, the next story in the moon base goes, no,
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  no more of this mate. You're.
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  Going to play the Doctor as a serious guy.
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  He never quite gets there, does he?
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  But he takes it seriously, even when he's having fun.
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  What is that coming out of Zaroff's ass there?
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  That that's his octopus. He keeps it in his bum hole.
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  Oh, here we go, we've got our stock Irish character.
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  Yeah, I'm not sure that person's ever been to Ireland.
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  Sean and Jacko, who we never do. We learn where he's from.
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  No. But let's say it is nice to have
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  some different accents of the. Show exactly?
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  Do you remember when this episode was recovered?
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  Yeah, I do. What did it come out on?
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  So it so this and Galaxy Four were recovered at the same time.
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  Galaxy 4 shows up on the Aztec Special Edition of course, and
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  then this is the last classic series DVD to be released in
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  that sort of original two way entertainment.
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  Oh, is that the 1:00 I've got just over there?
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  The one you've got just over there and it took ages to come
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  out it this leaked onto YouTube for years before and it took
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  ages to come out. And it came out with they've
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  commissioned an animation then cancelled it.
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  And then it came out with the world's most basic Recon And the
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  BBC were like, you can't add new images, you can't move anything
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  out of order, you can't use the title sequence, only the telly
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  snaps. I don't know.
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  They just want it to be most, the most basic thing that's
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  possible. So yeah, that's what you got.
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  Wow. Actually, do you know, it says
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  something about how I used to consider this story that when
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  Mark moved in here and we had two entire DVD collections, so
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  one had to go up in the loft. The only thing that I didn't
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  have a double of, I didn't buy the Underwater Menace DVD.
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  He did. It came out so long afterwards.
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  But I had seen it. I'd seen the episode.
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  Yeah, it was on YouTube for years.
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  Oh, it'd be like Dailymotion. It was unrestored, but it was
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  like it was the only way you could see it.
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  But it was like, I remember it's one of the few, most of the
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  classic range of DVDs. I'd wait till they were about a
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  fiver because you know they'd show up on Amazon at like 1499
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  and within a year they'd be a fiver.
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  And that is the that and the Aztec special edition are pretty
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  much the only ones I bought brand.
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  New. Just because you want to see the
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  new stuff. Makes sense.
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  That makes sense. I don't know why he looks like a
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  zombie, That scientist. I mean, if you lived
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  underground, you'd look like that as.
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  Well, the original didn't look anything like that.
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  It's a bit of a strange drawing of a face, but.
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  Yeah, but they're just trying to.
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  How many arms? Because you know the mist of
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  tickle arms. That I think.
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  I think the arms look better in this.
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  I mean, I'm not. I suppose that arm would go down
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  to his knee. It's all a bit.
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  It's all a bit wild blue Yonder, isn't it?
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  Oh well, done keeping. It relevant.
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  Great. One of those biscuits yeah come
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  on this is good podcasting, isn't it?
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  Listening to me in biscuits, that's.
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  That's the fun of watching it on the sofa, you know?
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  Yeah, but. This.
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  You're getting a real experience.
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  What biscuits have we got? Oh, Marks and Spencer's are.
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  You, you're having a guest coming all out.
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  Dylan's coming. He's got some chocolate chunk
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  cookie selection. Oh, I've been called a chocolate
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  chunk cookie on the occasion. Sorry guys, I know this might be
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  a bit noisy, but we'll get out of it I.
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  Mean throw one my way, please. Yes, I can.
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  Thank you. Hang on.
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  Thank you. Which one you go?
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  Could you make more noise than that?
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  Oh, that looks very chunky. I'm actually sabotaging your
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  podcaster. People, people are here for
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  this. It looks like it's got lots of
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  chocolate to this so. Guys, if you hear the wrapping
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  again, it's because we've gone in for seconds and thirds, OK?
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  What do you think Professor Zara's favorite biscuit is?
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  It's got to be something unusual.
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  Oh yeah, those new custard creams with jam in them, have
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  you seen them? Creams with jamming.
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  Yeah, I've got one in the other room.
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  I'll give you one later. Dirty bitch, as I promise.
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  Yeah, I thought, oh, he's a bit of hobnob man.
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  I just think he likes a bit basic but strong.
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  Trouton's a jammy Dodger. Oh yeah, Polly.
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  Oh, like AV News world? Oh yeah.
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  Yeah, Jamie. Jamie's from times before.
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  Big rolls. He just eats horseshit with
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  established and Ben is just a straight digestive.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, plain and simple.
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  Covering the big topic here guys.
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  Do you think drawing again is back to semblance of normality?
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  Do you think that Polly and Ben worked?
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  Because I think there's a point where the producers sort of give
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  up on them a bit. I think, sorry, just doing
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  biscuit. I think they do.
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  I think they're the sort of archetypal companion in a way.
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  They have kids from modern day Earth as it was them.
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  I think there's so much more to be done with them and they're
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  just sort of dropped in favour of Fraser Hines.
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  I think I would have preferred Ben and Polly to, as much as I
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  like Jamie, to Jamie and Victoria.
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  If I had to choose Jamie and Victoria over, I would choose
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  Ben and Polly. It's a weird shift though to go
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  from 2 contemporary companions to two historical companions.
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  Yeah, you wouldn't get it now, would you?
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  I've sort of got into it in some depth in some other stories
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  where Jamie starts in about two or three stories where he's
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  like, well, what's that? A great flying Beastie and all
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  of this, and then you get some assignment.
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  He just yeah, accepts everything.
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  He has to, because Victoria's the newbie by that point, isn't
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  she? Yeah.
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  That's true. That is true.
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  She's the historical idiot. All of this stuff in the caves,
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  all of this stuff mining, is any of this actually needed?
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  I know they're needed later on, Jacko and Sean, I need later on
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  to cause the revolt with the fish people, but that does feel
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  like it is. Is any of it needed?
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  You chose this all right. Yeah, I mean, it's all the the
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  thing about this script is it's it's enjoyable enough guff, but
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  it's as we said before, pulpit. It's that type of writer who
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  doesn't think the viewers of science fiction or children or
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  if Doctor Who are intelligent enough to warrant putting too
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  much detail and logic into into the script.
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  They say about Jeffrey Orman special Features that he was the
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  writer that dipped his toes into every show, every genre, and he
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  never really had a house style. I don't think you need to be
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  told that because all you got to do is watch The Underwater
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  Menace, which is basically doing every type of Doctor Who story.
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  I wonder what else he wrote. He was born in 1904.
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  Fucking hell. And died in 1978.
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  So he hasn't got a myth maker's tape, no.
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  What else was he involved in then?
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  Well, I can tell. You this this is the other type
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  of podcasting I hate is as you do the research that's.
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  Fucking lazy, isn't it? I think.
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  Well, according to his IMDb, this might actually be one of
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  the last things he wrote. Oh, bless him, he did.
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  What a way to go out. What a curtain call.
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  But you know, he's written loads.
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  But if he like his first credit, it's in 1936.
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  What for telly for? Film.
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  It was called Sunshine Ahead. Clearly he wasn't talking about
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  this. What TV did he do?
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  So he does nothing but films up until Hold the Line Please call
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  it. He does nothing but films all
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  through the 30s, forties, 50s. So he's quite an old man when
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  he's right. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's towards
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  it. And then he gets into telly.
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  In the late 50s he writes for Ivanhoe, Interpol, calling
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  whatever that is, The Avengers, No Place, no hiding Place,
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  Doctor Who. And his final credit, again on
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  IMDb, is a film called The Long Jewel.
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  And join us next time for the Geoffrey Warren Podcast, where
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  we'll be going through the career of Doctor.
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  Who's now IMDb? Yeah, it's very useful.
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  It's useful. It's not always right, though.
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  It's not always complete. Wouldn't have guessed that an
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  old git had written this script. No, because it does skip along.
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  It's like, you know, if you just told me somebody old wrote the
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  massacre or something like that, I'll just say, all right, fair
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  enough. I Do you always think of the
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  writers of classic Doctor Who in the 60s as impossibly old.
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  Because have you seen Pip and Jane Baker when they were right
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  at the Doctor Who? In the 80s, yeah, they were a
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  bit. They're a bit past their best,
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  but like, you know, they all smoke pipes and drink whiskey
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  for breakfast. That's my image of the it's.
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  Just Robert Holmes. Yeah, he put it on his gold
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  blade Well. Didn't Terence Dick say that
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  when Barry Letts took over at about midday, he was like, so
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  are we going to the are we going to the bar now?
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  And Barry was like, no. And it's because his
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  predecessor, Derek Sherwin and Peter Brian.
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  Peter Bright was like. Yeah, but they just, they'd hit
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  the bar midday and Terence Dix was like, oh, fantastic.
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  I hated doing that, but he felt like he had to do it because
• 20:14
  that's what they did. But it was sort of the culture.
• 20:16
  Back then, I can tell you what Terence Dix used to drink as
• 20:18
  well, because there's a memo very thick.
• 20:26
  There's a memo that he wrote to Bob Baker and Dave Martin full
• 20:29
  of expletives, and he says I'm going to need a large glass of
• 20:34
  Macom at the BBC bar. It's.
• 20:37
  That type of wine. I guess it is, yeah.
• 20:39
  Just doing my research live. Oh no.
• 20:41
  Macron villages. No, we sell it in the shop.
• 20:43
  What is it? Yeah, I think it's a white.
• 20:46
  It's a it's a city in France. Are you Googling again?
• 20:50
  Yeah, I'm Googling. Yeah, it's a white.
• 20:53
  I'm not a white wine drinker, but.
• 20:55
  They've run. That's interesting.
• 20:59
  I mean, that's not interesting, but it's the culture's quite
• 21:01
  interesting. My dad worked in works in
• 21:04
  advertising and in the 80s and 90s they all went down to the
• 21:10
  pub at lunchtime. And when I first, I did a lot of
• 21:13
  temping in my offices and not my late teens and it was still the
• 21:17
  culture then that's a couple of times of the week you go to the
• 21:20
  pub at lunchtime and. After, well, you would.
• 21:22
  Yeah, you'd have two or three pints.
• 21:24
  It's now if I had two or three pints at midday, I would not get
• 21:28
  anything done for the rest of the day.
• 21:30
  Well, so, you know, like it's no great secret whether you do work
• 21:34
  in television now. It's no great secret.
• 21:36
  It's not anymore. So it's a very small audience.
• 21:42
  I'm assuming that isn't the culture now.
• 21:44
  It's absolutely not the culture and in fact you would be quite
• 21:48
  heavily reprimanded if you and. Yet what they say about the 70s
• 21:52
  is because it was so alcohol fuelled, like fantastically
• 21:56
  memorable television sprung from that.
• 21:58
  Yeah, there's. I mean whether this is true or
• 22:02
  not, but legend would have it that Randall and Hopkirk
• 22:05
  deceased. You can tell what what point the
• 22:08
  lunch break was in the recording of an episode because they shoot
• 22:10
  an. Episode.
• 22:12
  Well, like they shoot them over like a day, a bit like Doctor
• 22:14
  Who, but they have a bit longer. But the lunch break in the
• 22:18
  middle of the day recordedly if you.
• 22:19
  Want no longer walking? In a straight.
• 22:21
  Line, yeah. But no, you wouldn't do it now,
• 22:23
  just like you wouldn't do it in any.
• 22:24
  I mean, I'm sure it does happen in some jobs, but.
• 22:27
  Maybe people say Tom Baker's a fabulous eccentric, but I just
• 22:30
  think he was drunk. I mean, it's probably a bit of
• 22:32
  both. I Having said that, I've worked
• 22:35
  abroad and in France. They still have a glass of wine
• 22:40
  with their lunch when they work. But also I feel like Britain is
• 22:43
  a nation of excessiveness and when it comes to alcohol, like
• 22:46
  we're very much a binge booze culture.
• 22:49
  In France, they'll have their glass of wine at lunchtime and
• 22:51
  then they'll have one when they finish work.
• 22:54
  Whereas in the UK we're like, how many pints can you get in an
• 22:57
  hour? It's like for keeping, I'm not
• 23:00
  casting any aspersions on you when I say this, all right, but
• 23:03
  it's like when you're single after being in a relationship
• 23:06
  for a long time. Well you basically fuck 100 guys
• 23:10
  in a week. All girls wherever is your
• 23:11
  preference. Or other.
• 23:14
  Or other. Well quite yeah.
• 23:16
  Animals you know where fish people.
• 23:19
  I had a. Few fish people.
• 23:20
  I had a few fishy people at that time.
• 23:25
  All gay men are fishing. I'm telling you, I've never
• 23:28
  looked at a tinner tuna in the same way again.
• 23:30
  Oh, it's. Going to say something beyond
• 23:33
  inappropriate then. I won't, but you know, we just
• 23:37
  somehow managed to bring that back round the underwater.
• 23:39
  Menace. What do you think of the
• 23:40
  underwater menace? Did you see that sequence a
• 23:42
  second ago where the Doctor's trying to explain that if you
• 23:46
  raise the sea level, the whole of Atlantis is going to explode?
• 23:50
  In the original, it's a little desk with a Bunsen burner on it
• 23:54
  and a tiny pot. In the animation, it's this
• 23:56
  huge. I can never say this word
• 23:58
  properly. Brazier.
• 24:00
  Isn't it Brazier? Not Brazier?
• 24:02
  No, not Brazier. That's something different.
• 24:04
  It's this huge Brazier. Well, massive exploding part.
• 24:08
  I love animation. It's great.
• 24:10
  I mean, even this of Jamie hanging over the Cliff now, I
• 24:13
  mean, it's not the most exciting thing in the world, but it would
• 24:15
  have been just Jamie rubbing against himself.
• 24:17
  But a bit of scenery. Have a light roll.
• 24:20
  Yeah. Oh, he looks terrified.
• 24:25
  He's just he almost fell to his death.
• 24:27
  He wore a weighted skirt, you know.
• 24:29
  Oh no. In location.
• 24:30
  Very famous story of him climbing up the the.
• 24:34
  What's it called? Are you?
• 24:35
  Talking about the mine, Rubber rocks again.
• 24:36
  No, I'm talking about the helicopter.
• 24:38
  In the evasion. Yeah, because the the updraft
• 24:41
  would have, you must know that story I would love to see
• 24:44
  because that's what the Queen did when she was out in public.
• 24:47
  Just do it. On a windy day to stop a skirt
• 24:49
  blowing. Oh.
• 24:50
  I thought you were saying how a skirt did blow up.
• 24:51
  No, no, you never saw the Queen's.
• 24:53
  Snatch upstairs. You watch your mouth, all right?
• 24:56
  The Queen's Snatch, of course, was my favorite TV show growing
• 24:59
  up. It's like the Queen's nose, but
• 25:03
  you rubbed something else Do. You know I can't watch that.
• 25:07
  What's it called? The Crown.
• 25:09
  No, the Crown. Oh I love the Crown, but the
• 25:11
  last series I stopped watching. Oh no, The Crown's great.
• 25:14
  It's got everybody that's been in Doctor Who, isn't it?
• 25:16
  It's got. Everybody who's anybody in it.
• 25:18
  Matthew Smith in US. Has.
• 25:21
  He Matt Smith plays Prince Charles, not Prince Charles,
• 25:23
  Prince Philip. Everybody else Smith.
• 25:25
  Who the hell was Matthew Smith? Matthew Smith is who he was
• 25:28
  credited as. How is that going to entice me
• 25:30
  to watch anything that Matt Smith's in it?
• 25:32
  Matt Smith was credited as Matthew Smith on the film
• 25:35
  Terminator Genesis, which he appears in.
• 25:37
  Was that any good that? Was terrible.
• 25:40
  Fucking dreadful. I've since learnt today that
• 25:43
  Dinner is a fan of Terminator movies and it's spin off media.
• 25:46
  I am indeed. Anybody wish to talk about that
• 25:48
  on Too Hot for TV next year? Get in touch.
• 25:50
  Yeah, yeah, get. In touch.
• 25:53
  I can't even notice we're not talking about the underwater
• 25:56
  minister Everton. 'S got a lovely little hat on
• 25:58
  now as well. We're all done.
• 25:59
  Oh, you know, I mean, do we ever really talk about what's going
• 26:01
  on? At some point we're still going
• 26:02
  to do Hell Bent and Heaven Sent, aren't we?
• 26:04
  And one of those is just the same thing again and again.
• 26:07
  And. Again, that's going to be tough.
• 26:08
  I'm sure we'll find a way. Well, you told me.
• 26:11
  You promised me a heart wrenching story about where you
• 26:13
  were in your life. Yeah, well, you'll get that when
• 26:15
  we do. It Where were you in your life
• 26:17
  when you first saw the underwater menace, I mean.
• 26:21
  I was probably about 14, so I was probably in between episodes
• 26:25
  of the reconstruction of Underwater Menace, wanking
• 26:28
  myself silly in my bedroom. It's true.
• 26:36
  I. Can't be.
• 26:39
  I'm going to ask you this in the forecast.
• 26:41
  Did you have a rag? Did I have a rag?
• 26:45
  No, I did not hear a change in the back of the cupboard.
• 26:48
  It was stiff as. A.
• 26:48
  Have you still got them? My mom found them and she went
• 26:53
  on fruit out that stiff period. I admit everything on this.
• 27:01
  Use tissue paper, flush it down the toilet.
• 27:04
  I don't know anyone's wanked through the underwater menace,
• 27:06
  am I honest? Someone's done everything that's
• 27:09
  true. I bet if you, I bet if I googled
• 27:11
  it now. Jeremy Bentham's there.
• 27:14
  If you like Chubbies, when Lolum's on the screen, you're in
• 27:17
  a lot of luck. He's in a grass skirt most of
• 27:20
  the time. Yeah.
• 27:22
  Oh my. Oh, I've never known an episode.
• 27:25
  Let's go so off. The round, I'm here for it.
• 27:30
  This is what we do now. We don't do countries on the
• 27:32
  actual thing we just talk about. Talk about stuff.
• 27:34
  Yeah, that's basically what podcasting is.
• 27:36
  Yeah, exactly. The tangents are the best here.
• 27:39
  You know the on the timelash boys?
• 27:40
  I do. I'll tell you a really funny
• 27:42
  story. I was doing Dalek War the other
• 27:44
  day and I kept saying that Mark Donaldson plays out We Broke and
• 27:49
  it's Mark McDonald. So I had to publicly say I'm
• 27:53
  really sorry. And I realised at the end of the
• 27:56
  episode I went oh God. I've been crediting a member on
• 27:59
  The Time Rush for being an actor in Dalek.
• 28:01
  War Nah. Did you know that Mark Donaldson
• 28:04
  isn't a Doctor Who's been off? One of his mates illustrated the
• 28:09
  comics for Doctor Who Adventures and there's a character in one
• 28:13
  of them based on Mark Donaldson. Yeah.
• 28:16
  Legendary. You send me a picture of that
• 28:18
  you got. It I don't have it, but I'm sure
• 28:20
  I can ask him. Oh, he's a fabulous fellow,
• 28:22
  Mark. He's a lovely, lovely man.
• 28:24
  I wonder what he thinks of the underwater menace.
• 28:26
  I'm sure he loves it, I'm sure it's on record and on the time
• 28:29
  last somewhere. I wonder what one ever would you
• 28:31
  pair this up with in the new series?
• 28:34
  Oh, under the Lake. Under the lake or the doctor's
• 28:37
  daughter. Because fish people.
• 28:39
  Oh Jesus Christ. Oh, it ended it.
• 28:42
  Ended. There he is, Zaraf, hobbling
• 28:45
  towards the screen. I think because, you know, we
• 28:49
  spent 2 1/2 minutes of that episode talking about the
• 28:52
  underwater, that is. Sometimes 2 1/2 minutes is all
• 28:54
  you need, Jeff. As a I only need 40 seconds, I
• 28:59
  just would like you before we add episode 2 to please tell us
• 29:02
  where we are in an underwater menace today.
• 29:04
  What's been occurring? Well, they've gone down to
• 29:06
  Atlantis. Polly was nearly turned into a
• 29:08
  fish. They've discovered what food
• 29:11
  that they they eat, which is plankton.
• 29:14
  Zarof is trying to raise the water levels.
• 29:17
  Ando is their God. The Doctor thinks Zarof is mad.
• 29:23
  It's very succinctly dumb. Thank you very much.
• 29:25
  I've. I've seen this a couple of
• 29:27
  times. I've watched this animation
• 29:28
  three times since it came out and this is the 4th.
• 29:31
  Do you know, can I say I've realised doing these podcasts
• 29:36
  when I'm talking to certain people, I'll take on like the
• 29:40
  the pace that they talk. I've started laughing like you.
• 29:44
  Have you noticed? I haven't, but I'll look at it.
• 29:47
  I just laughed the second guy and I thought that's just
• 29:49
  exactly what he sounds like when he's laughing.
• 29:51
  We're chameleonic. I am I am in a WhatsApp group
• 29:56
  with Mark Donaldson and Ben Verth, both from Scotland, and
• 30:01
  the Police Box boys, all from Scotland.
• 30:03
  To think that I have filthy. And every now and then I find
• 30:08
  myself about to type the word I like ayi, like a Scottish
• 30:12
  person, and I have to stop myself.
• 30:14
  I'll be like a it's a load of old shite.
• 30:16
  And then I'm like, no, Dylan, you don't speak like that.
• 30:18
  It's a load of old shit. The Oh, God, I'm so bad with
• 30:23
  names. You know, the police box,
• 30:24
  fellas. You know what?
• 30:26
  The guy who does all the intros and all of that with the boxes?
• 30:29
  Yeah, man, 1 is really hot. Two.
• 30:33
  Sorry, Lee, if you were listening to this.
• 30:35
  Two. I mean, he asks me a message.
• 30:38
  He sends me a message about arranging a recording.
• 30:41
  Yeah. And I'll give him an answer and
• 30:43
  I'll get paragraphs of this insanely weird messages being
• 30:49
  quirky and funny as hell. I think we might be getting
• 30:52
  married, you know? He's a very funny cat.
• 30:55
  Very funny. Terrible flurs.
• 30:56
  What? On that note, let's jump into
• 31:00
  episode 3. We've got some fish people,
• 31:01
  action an. Episode I can't wait but not the
• 31:04
  fish people you're expecting let's.
• 31:06
  Find out.