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Does Star Wars Top The Lord of the Rings? — Intentionally Blank Ep. 254 · Intentionally Blank

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: Dan, we're gonna try to go faster this time.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: No food hoists.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: No no food hoists.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: No hoisting our food.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: We are gonna finish our trilogy right through our trilogy list.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: Next one up is Oceans 11.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say if you missed this, we have a part one.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're ranked for the best trilogies of all time.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: We got long-winded last time.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to get long-winded this time, but we're gonna start pretending that we're not going to.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oceans trilogy.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oceans.
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  SPEAKER_02: First one, I love and adore.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: The third one, I have a soft spot for while recognizing that it's not very good.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: The second one has both my least favorite and most favorite heist things ever.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm very mixed on number two.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: So this is the same for me that you talked about last time when you talked about how you train your dragon.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: I could not tell you what happens in a movie two or three, other than Julia Roberts gets recruited.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Could not tell you.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: The first one is an all-timer, I've seen it many times.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Two or three, never watched again, never was interested in watching again.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed them when I watched them.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I walked out and said, That's a good film.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just totally can't remember a thing.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's fair.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: The first one is so far above the others that it's unfair to include them all as a trilogy, frankly.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Number two, they are trying to make as much money as they can.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: And part of their plan is to raise the level of a house in Venice by a few inches so they can make a crossbow shot.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: I remember their return on investment cannot possibly be in the red on that one.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I do remember Julia Roberts has to pretend to be Julia Roberts.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: Just the audacity of having the actor playing somebody else who gets recognized by Bruce Willis playing himself, thinking that it's the real Julia Roberts.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: The whole thing is so funny.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: I love it for that reason.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's the only good part of the movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I do remember that.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have to put it in C.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: C?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Is one strong enough to put the whole trilogy into C for you?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: I have to speak out.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like 13 is much better than we're giving it credit for.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where you're.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, it's better than it has any right to be.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: But that's still not very good.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Where the friend of theirs dies at the beginning and they decide to get revenge.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I do remember one thing about it.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: I could not tell you what happens after that moment because that moment was strong.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it has some of the strongest cinematography in it.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a great score.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think the acting and the script on it is great.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is looking at your guys' list, I'd watch those three movies over Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's me.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: But see, it's not whether the movies are good, it's whether they're a trilogy.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: As a trilogy, I'd rather watch all three of those than all three of Guardians in the trilogy aspect.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Person.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I will put Oceans into C and I'll put it above How to Train Your Dragon because I would rewatch any of those three before I'd rewatch How to Train Your Dragon.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I got to put it above JJ Abrams.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would absolutely watch any Oceans movie before I watched movie two of Star Trek.
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  SPEAKER_01: But as a cohesive trilogy, it obviously didn't leave an impact.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have to be like, oh, I have to see movies two and three to understand movie one.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like good players.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is not an arc that carries across.
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  SPEAKER_02: One is so beautifully self-contained that the others are just victory laps that don't land.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, let's be honest, let's be perfectly honest.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: 11 people is too many for a heist team.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them don't get developed very well.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, they don't.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's a cool title, but they do not need 11 people in that team.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: They need like five.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I will say the Mormon twins.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: They are referred to in the first movie as the Mormon twins, and there's a couple of fantastic Mormon jokes.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: There are.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then that gets completely dropped for two and three.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I missed that.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were they were good.
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  SPEAKER_01: At least it gave them something, right?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: So the moment at the first one where they go to the fountain of the Bellagio and then one by one leave.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Such a great shot.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: So what's this is not a reflection on Oceans 11 being an S-tier film.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's just pointing.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right, no, good point.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Pirates of the Caribbean, the first three.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: None of their after whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: I have been shocked to see recently online, and by recently I mean in the past few weeks.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: A ton of love for Pirates 2 and 3.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm one who does like Pirates 2 and 3, so I can speak to that.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: So here's why I like Pirates 2 and 3.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: They did bungle one main thing.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Jack Sparrow doesn't work nearly as well as he does in the first one.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a big thing.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: The world building is so much fun.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm an epic fantasy guy.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: All of the stuff with Calypso and the ocean and the Pirate Council and Jack being sent to hell and trying to figure out what's going on.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: And Davy Jones and the CG and the world building of Davy Jones is called Crew.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of what you love about those movies is why I don't like them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought that their big expanded universe just became very cumbersome very quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: It turned into an epic fantasy universe from a single There's one weird ship out there to now it's a whole world of weird ships.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: But it's one of the ways you can take it.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: I am fond of the second two, while acknowledging, like, again, one big fault.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like Captain Jack in the first movie, you get in five minutes his character, he's on a sinking ship, he talks his way past the dock, and he's the only person that will save Elizabeth Swan when she's drowning.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: He is hard of gold, good person, gets himself into schemes, gets himself out of them.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: And we start the second one, we pretend he doesn't care about anyone.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like he he has no moral compass joke implied, right?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: And they have to do a whole thing with that.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, no, our initial introduction to Jack is he's the guy that'll jump in the water and save the drowning woman.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's why at the end they save him because he's a good man, he's a biary, he's a good man.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they threw that out for movie two so he could have an arc again.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: And well, well, I will also say he is by far the breakout character from the first one, but he was not the main character of the first one.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, and and they made him the main character of two and three, and I don't think that character supported the stories well.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: It totally could, but they didn't pull it off.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think he could have.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I will acknowledge movie two and three are flawed movies, and the first one's a perfect movie.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's another one of these things where it's a great opener and didn't quite know what to do.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: One's an all-timer, but I have to put the whole trilogy, you're gonna hate me on this, in A.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: In A.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would absolutely go watch a Pirates film over a born film any day.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Give me my epic fantasy, guys.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's at the end of A.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's at the end of it.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's the end of A.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: The thing is, first Pirates movie is S tier, S plus, phenomenal, one of the greatest adventure, if not the greatest adventure movie ever, right?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I really don't like two and three at all.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Barbosa's so good.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: Barbosa's great.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: Davy Jones is so good.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it's just them like here's more of us, and the situations we're in are increasingly ridiculous.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, that's true.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's not untrue.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot take those movies seriously.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's not untrue.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: They do end up on a giant wheel riding through the forest, trying to get Davy Jones' heart, which is locked in the thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's dumb, but it's fun dumb.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put them in C.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I am happy with it above each thing it's above.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: I am cool with it being above.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: Where am I gonna put pirates in C?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put it first in C.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: First in C.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: You would watch it over oceans, but not over.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'd watch it over oceans or how to train your.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: My whole rankings, I think most everything is higher than yours, though.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of them are, yes.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Jurassic Park trilogy.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: So is world number.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, there's a three that wasn't done in the first one.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: One, two, and three.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: There is a third that just exists.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: World is its own trilogy that is not on this list.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: But we can if we want to.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because I have not seen any of the world spokes.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I saw the first world spoke.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is an easy D for me.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is Pteranodons?
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's the what are the this is gonna be.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is it Pterodactyls, the flying ones in the case?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's three.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so two is Malcolm comes back, and three is Dr.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Grant comes back.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: I have seen them all and do remember them all.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: I, to be fair, have not seen the third one because the second one was super bad, and I didn't see the point of watching another one.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: I do not say consider the second one super bad.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I do.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: I will stand by two.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Three is not good.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: Three is brutal.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not good.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's really not good.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: And two is missing a bunch of the magic.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: But one is one is a fantastic like greatest hits of all time.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's definitely not a D to me.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely not a D.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm putting it in D.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: Over or below Star Trek for you, Dan.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Below.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love the first one.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is a perfect movie.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: As a trilogy, I'm gonna go C.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: C.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: I will go C.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can't in good conscience put it in D, knowing what's gonna go in D.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I would watch it above.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Top of C.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Top of C.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: So above oceans and above Star Trek.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's rough.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: So Jurassic Park 1 is better than either of the best films in Oceans or uh Star Trek.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give you that.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Three is worse than and than any of the Oceans films, but it is not worse than Star Trek 2.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Ergo, it's in C.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: At the top of C.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Man, people are gonna have so many opinions.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: People are gonna be.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: Can people really be upset about us not liking Jurassic Park 2 and 3?
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even say I don't like two, it's just three.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like two.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think two's fun.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, two's fun.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I have not seen a bad Spielberg film.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Did he direct two, though?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he directed two.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like not even.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: I thought he just produced.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm curious to find out.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: I used to teach classes on Spielberg movies.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Did you?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's directly.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have not seen a bad Spielberg film.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: There is reportedly one from the 80s that I intentionally haven't watched.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I have not seen a bad Spielberg film.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right, what's next?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: The Star Wars original trilogy.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yay, yay for D's.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I finally get to put something in D.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, the original trilogy?
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, not original.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: No prequel.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, never mind.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: So this is original.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think it has to be an S.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: Foundational to generations of people.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Changed not just how people made movies, but how people marketed movies.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like everything about them.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's right behind Indiana Jones for me.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's ahead of Back to the Future.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put it ahead of Boren as well.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: But I still prefer Indiana Jones.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to say.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: I would put on Indiana Jones film, but that's partially because I've seen the Star Wars films too many times.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're so much a part of pop culture.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: When you go to a party, particularly when we went to a party during the era where you know we were often going to parties, someone would have a Star Wars film on.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like you would go to your friends and be like, What did we watch?
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: We watched Star Wars.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like so overplayed that that keeps me.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think Indiana Jones just feels more fresh to me.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: We taped them off TV.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as they had a box set, we bought that.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: We can probably post those movies.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: The first Star Wars movie over a hundred times.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm also the Star Wars III apologist.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love Return of the Jedi.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love Return of the Jedi.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's supposed to be the weakest one.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Unfairly maligned.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is the weakest one, but I love it.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so that indicates that like if your weakest one is better than almost every other film on here, then straight and death.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I jumped the gun on what gets to go.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well, as long as we're talking about Star Wars, should we do prequels next?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we can do prequels.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Prequels.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Prequels.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Now we get to put something in D.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: D.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that there's a huge swell of love for the prequels.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Primarily from the people who grew up with them.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: That was their Star Wars trilogy, just like the original series was ours as kids, and that's totally fine.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're pretty bad across the board.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing because they're camp bad, they stray into bad movie bad.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Meaning, if you put one on because of how much camp is in there and because of the memes and things, I will enjoy it.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: They are, I think, maybe not objectively, but objectively with some subjectivity, the worst movies on here.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Worse than the sequels?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Who were the sequels?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: On here that we've put on.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: That we've already put up.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: That we've already put up.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: They are the worst of any movies we have talked about before.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Even the J.J.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Abrams, the one that we don't like, it's because of what it did to Star Trek and its narrative.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very competently well-made movie.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: The acting is good, like the pacing is good, like these the acting is they aren't well directed.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: The pacing is terrible.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: The world building is audacious in how boring it is.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very fond of them.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when one came out, we all said, Oh, that was so great.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then within a day, we were like a single day.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: We're like, no.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Does it?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't hold up.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then the same thing with three.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yes, finally a good Star Wars prequel.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then within a day, we're like, well, okay, never mind.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas I never felt that about two.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: I never thought two was really hitting it out of the park.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: So two is where we get R2D2 and C3PO back, though.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's at least that love.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: One kind of had C3PO.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, but C3PO is in your comic relief role in two.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's at least I remember.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and we didn't get them as a pair until two, as far as I remember.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: But oh man.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Why I'm so happy to put this in D is because they are lovable Ds.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Most things that we would put in D, we would be cringing.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: These are lovable Ds.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Next one I'm going to find really interesting, what you think.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: The sequel trilogy?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: The plan.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's do we want to do this?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: While we're talking about Star Wars, let's hit them all.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something lower than D?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: I want to create an F category for the sequels.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: I will create an F real quick.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because one, I can still love some of the choices they made.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: I love Qui-Gon Jin.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: I love Darth Maul.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: I loved some of Padme.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: They were doing some interesting things, whereas I feel like the sequels did not have a fresh idea in their heads at all.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they did.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the Ryan Johnson's had a lot of cool new stuff.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: It just didn't work.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: But we've talked about it at Nauseum.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Some people really like number two.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can understand why they do.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Two is my favorite of the sequels because it is the only one that dared to do something different.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: But even then, I don't think it pulled it off.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the bad stuff in two is so bad.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that it's a slow chase, slow pace chase through space.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Say that ten times in a world where people have FTL travel.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why, like, why are the enemy slowly chasing this convoy?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this isn't a pot hole.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is a I sat in the theater, I'm like, warp ahead of them.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like light speed.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Light speed ahead of them.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: They drop bombs in space.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with this because there's gravity in Star Wars space.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sort of.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, there just has to be.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's gravity outside the ships.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: There has to be.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, the banking of the ships don't make any sense.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: From movie one, there's established gravity in space.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: And there's air in space.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'll allow it.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's air in space, otherwise, there's no sound.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: So in the Star Wars universe from movie one.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm okay with the dropping bombs, even though it's dumb and makes you be like, wait, what?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: But what bothers me is like the pacing and the plotting makes no sense.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: The story makes no sense.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Luke is the travesty.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: It just uh and it's all anyway.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: The salt planet's cool looking.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um the salt planet looks cool, but we don't need to rehearse the stuff.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: We've already done that.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I will watch any Star Wars prequel before any of those.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, all right, now an interesting one.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Planet of the Ages trilogy.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is the 2002.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: The modern Planet of the Ages with Caesar.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: I guess they all had Caesar.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they all had Caesar.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: I am really fond of these.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think they are widely underappreciated.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: They do a different thing with each film, but they form a cohesive trilogy.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: They are all well acted, well scripted.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: They are going an A for me.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can see that actually.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I I can put them above pirates.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: I can definitely put them above pirates.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I can put them above Iron Man.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're all good, though.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard because this is an actual good trilogy.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: It holds together as a trilogy.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's it has no film stream.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Real science fiction, too, instead of just action movie science fiction.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Top of A.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Top of A?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Top of A.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: So here's my argument.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Above aliens.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because of my ranking things.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: There is not a single one of the Planet of the Apes films that is better than the best film in each one below it.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: So Aliens best film, best films are better than any of the Planets of the Apes.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Nolans, really great ones, better.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: The Guardians one is better.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Iron Man One and Three, probably better.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: And The Pirates one is better.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: But none of those are a trilogy in the same way Planet of Apes is, where it is actually advancing a world and the movies hold together and then come to a big climax.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: They are a trilogy like Lord of the Rings does, without having a trilogy of books to build.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think as a trilogy, I'm going to put them there.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's I think that's completely you can disagree and I think that's good placement.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's a trilogy where all three are great, which none of the others you have in A can say that.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to put it up into A as well, but I'm not certain where to put it.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: So And it's because three may not be the best.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Two, I think.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: They are a little slower paced.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: I love them.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think that they're smart and interesting.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: How many of them did the guy that made the Batman make?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Let me double check.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say I think he did all three.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Did he direct all three?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to leave them right there.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: I have to put Aliens Back to the Future and Three Flavors above Planet of the Apes.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm happy with those.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: But it'd be weird if you rank the movies.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to be in the highest tier of the movies, individual movies.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: But you can see that I give a lot of weight to you make a trilogy well.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they watch, I just why I rewatched them like a month ago.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: They watch back to back super duper well.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: For having three years apart between each film, they killed it.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Matt Reeves did this second and third, and Rupert Wyatt did the first.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: That explains there is a tone of between one and two.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: The Godfather trilogy.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: The Godfather trilogy.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: The Godfather trilogy.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Three isn't as bad as people say.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: Three isn't as bad.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: You want to hear the confession that's going to have people furious at me?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: You like one better than two?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: I do like one.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: A lot more than two.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like the time shifts in two detract rather than add.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's a take.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: That is a take.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love the time shifts in two.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're so revolutionary.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they changed the way that people see cinema and make film.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we would have lost without Godfather 2, right?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bouncing back and forth?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we would have the way of kings without Godfather 2.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Momentum.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: This is an extremely minority opinion.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: But in my opinion, they are.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: One, two, three, in that order.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to put them in S.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom of S.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom of S.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm going to put them in S.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: With the admission that Godfather 2 is a great all-time film.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: But S is every film in the S has multiple great all-time films.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think one and two are great.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: And three, it's not as bad as people say.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Still very good.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: So there's where I am.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's where I'm in trouble.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like historically Godfather should be an S.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I think I like the Aliens trilogy more.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it's got to go into A.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it has to go into A under Aliens.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: So right here?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Under Aliens.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Above Back to the Future, but Under Aliens.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: You can move Aliens to S, Dan.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: I might have to by the time we're done with this.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: Terminator.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Terminator.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: Terminator.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: What is the third Terminator movie?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's the one where Arnold has the coffin over his shoulder.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: They kill Sarah Connor.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember the movie.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I've seen it.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's not very good.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, hot take, right?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Terminator 3 is not very good.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's superior to a bunch of the stuff they did after, still.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem with Terminator 3 is that the Newt Principle.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Indicates that if you do any more Terminator films, you are ruining Terminator 2, whose whole point was there is no future but what we make.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ergo, you have to end.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, and so they do not hold together as a trilogy.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's a disaster of a trilogy because three just destroys two.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: And two tried, if I remember correctly, tried pretty hard to tie up all the loose ends.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: And terminate.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Was there an arm that got left behind?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: The arm, the arm didn't get left behind.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: They've destroyed it.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then the whole point of two is that Arnold has to kill himself.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: He has to self-terminate.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or I cannot self-terminate in order to prevent the future from happening.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so they do.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And two is a fantastic escalation from one.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: But three, as a trilogy, like they do not hold together.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, they don't.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: And T2 is just amazing.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: So where can I put it?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: As a trilogy.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: To remind everyone.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: As a trilogy, I am going to put it in D.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: D.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to put it below Jurassic Park, but above the Star Wars prequels.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I can do that because they at least tried.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it in C.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put it above the JJ1's.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put it at the top of C.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Top of C.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Top of C.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Over Jurassic Park.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because here's the thing.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: They do try, it's bad what they do in three, but they try really hard to make it a trilogy.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: They try to try to give it continuity.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: And seeing John Connor not be born as a kid and then step up and be a leader is an arc for him.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Put it above Jurassic Park in mind.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because Terminator has two good movies.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Jurassic Park trilogy, I think, only has one.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, I think if I'm looking at Terminator 2 versus the first Jurassic Park, I have to give the nod to Terminator 2.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: The Hobbit trilogy.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, man.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: D.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: D.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: D.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Not F.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Good Moments.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Holds Together as a trilogy.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Poorly.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because it shouldn't be a trilogy.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: I might I might drop it to F.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm remembering like it does some of the dumbest possible things.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like Triangle.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: The whole second movie is about killing Smog.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: But he doesn't die until the first three minutes of the third movie, which is honestly one of the worst narrative decisions I've ever seen in film.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's a terrible movie.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Ever.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, most of the third movie is extraneous nonsense.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't apply to anything.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: You think the second movie isn't mostly extraneous nonsense?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: How long is the barrel scene?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love the barrel scene.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: How long is the fight with the goblins in movie one?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: How long is the fight with the goblins?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: The fight with the goblins.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: They fought goblins?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Off-screen.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Off-screen, okay.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: But we know that it happened.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Radigast poop in his hair.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um why I'm putting in his D is it at least tries to be a trilogy.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: And also, there are some fantastic performances.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Ian Holm as Bilbo is inspired casting.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: He gives it his Ian Holm was the old Bilbo.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about what's his name?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: The guy from He's in Black Panther.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Martin Freeman.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Martin Freeman.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Freeman.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Martin Freeman does a fantastic Bilbo.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Gandalf, still great.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to keep Hobbit in F, but I'm going to put it above Star Wars sequels.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Star Wars sequels get to have their own thing.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: They get to be in their own.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I am going to put the Hobbit trilogy above the prequels.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Just so you know, because the prequels are a failure in every regard.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And like the smog versus Bilbo scene is incredible.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, them talking to each other.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like there are good scenes like that in the prequels at all.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have to rate it above the prequels.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sound.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: The Matrix.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: The Matrix trilogy.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: I am fond of Pirates.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I am fond of Matrix 2 and 3.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: I will stake a claim on them not being nearly like one is better.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I think one is only a half point better.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think the span is like huge.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll disagree with that.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think one is significantly better than two and three.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I also like two and three more than I think the average person does.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to put them in A.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Where an A.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm going to have to watch them, I'm going to put them above Iron Man.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:47
  unknown: All right.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Internet's going to hate this.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I think they hold together as a trilogy better than Iron Man does.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just a little bit.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: They both do a good job with the trilogy.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think writing a sequel to The Matrix was a near-impossible task, and they did it, and it's pretty good.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: And three is the weakest, but you know what?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're doing interesting new things.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: The Assault on Zion, him going outside the Matrix and still having powers because of these things, and they made it work, made sense.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Whole thing.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: So A tier trilogy.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: I am also going to put it just above Iron Man, but that puts it in B.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm happy with that.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: I do think the Nolan Batman trilogy is better.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: The Steve Rogers Captain America trilogy.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: For those who are wondering, this is Civil War, Winter Soldier, and his first one.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: First Avenger, yes.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Winter Soldier, and Civil War.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Second is strongest still.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Over Civil War, would you agree?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of these that we've looked at, like Pirates and The Matrix and so on, was here's one incredible idea and we make sequels because the first one was popular.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas Captain America, I think did a good job of escalating quality.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: Two is the best, and then one and then three, but three is still very good.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I like three.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: I would put three over one.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: So one is a strange film to me.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first half of one is fantastic, and the second half of one is kind of boring.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Everything actually saves the guys and has proved himself as Captain America gets boring real fast to me.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Red Skull, they wasted Hugo Weaving.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, just a cackling maniacal, you know.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Look how much of a Nazi I am without being a Nazi.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it just second half.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: But then No, now that you point it out, everything I like about the first one is all in the first half.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: The historical stuff, the World War II stuff, I really love.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: But Civil War is incredible.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Civil War is great.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: It gives us the first big multi-superhero fight that the franchise had.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: With both two and three, I feel like the movies are asking very interesting and salient questions that they don't have good answers for.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a problem.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Getting me to agree that Iron Man wouldn't agree with Steve Rogers in movie three is really hard.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a problem, right?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because Iron Man doesn't represent the establishment.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: He ignores the establishment.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's through all three movies of his.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Good argument.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Endgame paid off civil war in a way that improves civil war for me.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I does it deserve S?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's the big question.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Does it deserve S?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Man, it might.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm I think I'm gonna put it in S.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna go in there.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think it can beat The Godfather, but I think it it doesn't beat The Godfather for me.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: But they do a good job.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think one thing holding it back is it does need another film, like you just pointed out.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: To really sell the character arcs.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put it below back to the future.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I am So it's an A for him.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's an A.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I am gonna bump aliens up to S.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: I had a feeling it was gonna happen.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: I feel bad because I don't think three belongs in an S.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: But we're ranking as trilogy.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: But we're ranking them as trilogies.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's a tough guy.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: The thing is, every time I look at my list, I'm like, I can't put that above aliens.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Do we want to do another episode?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: Do we want to do three episodes on this?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: We could.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: We can get a few more off our list.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do a three-parter.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna end here.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: See you next week.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: By this point, Ben has already texted us by the time these air.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: And he's furious we didn't include him.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: I know you're all getting ranking.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: We'll try to do something else in between so you have to deal with this three weeks in a row.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you then.