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AEW Hot Topics | Wrestling Fatigue? · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And nine Ignition six five four three two one zero
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  Speaker 1: All engine running.
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  Speaker 2: It's Tuesday. You know what that means.
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  Speaker 3: It's time for Ignition with the a W FANTA podcast team.
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  Speaker 3: I'm here with MK and Jest tonight. This is Kelson
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  Speaker 3: and Well. We just saw Double or Nothing. Arguably one
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  Speaker 3: of the best. Some people say it is the best
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  Speaker 3: cage match. Ratings say it is the best aw pay
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  Speaker 3: per view of all time. We'll talk about that, but first, guys,
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about something that I really don't
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  Speaker 3: want this to get out of hand, but I'm just
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  Speaker 3: a little bit mystified about well wwui's booking of events.
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  Speaker 2: They booked three events for all in weekend.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you take into consideration at ad W
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  Speaker 3: has already booked numerous events for that same weekend.
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  Speaker 2: What do you guys think about this?
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  Speaker 4: I brought this up last week in poopery. This is
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  Speaker 4: the most pardon my friend, but this is the most
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  Speaker 4: bush league shit I've ever heard of. Competition is one
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  Speaker 4: thing It's gonna happen in any business, but this is
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  Speaker 4: getting ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Do you really see this as competition though, or do
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  Speaker 3: you just see this as I've heard it described as petty.
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  Speaker 5: Petty's a good word for it.
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  Speaker 3: My word for it. It's inexplicable to me. I just
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  Speaker 3: don't get I don't get it. Especially I have some
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  Speaker 3: information for you, and I think it's going to blow
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  Speaker 3: your minds.
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  Speaker 2: But go ahead, Jess.
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  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like I just said, like
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  Speaker 4: you expect this sort of thing in any business competition,
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  Speaker 4: but AEW is not supposed to be competitions. According to
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  Speaker 4: criple H, I.
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  Speaker 6: Feel like they're trying to oversaturate the market where people
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  Speaker 6: get tired and don't want to watch all the products.
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  Speaker 5: Live and then won't be.
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  Speaker 7: Able to.
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  Speaker 6: So it just it feels like to me, it's petty,
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  Speaker 6: to be honest with you, doesn't know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 6: It really hurts, in my opinion, the evolve of hey
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  Speaker 6: of you they're wanting to do because I know it's
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  Speaker 6: not on the day of all inm but people are
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  Speaker 6: gonna be so tired out they're not gonna want to
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  Speaker 6: watch it live. And it really hurts that women's division
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  Speaker 6: because they want to pump it up as such a
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  Speaker 6: great division, but then to tackle onto something else already
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  Speaker 6: when they could have just had to stand alone and
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  Speaker 6: be its own thing. It makes me feel like they
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  Speaker 6: don't trust that division enough and say, look at here
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  Speaker 6: will It doesn't delivered, so why why do it anymore?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've seen several people make that comment
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  Speaker 3: that it's really not fair to the women's division, and
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  Speaker 3: it really isn't, you know. And well, look, I want
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  Speaker 3: to share you some interesting you know, these are facts,
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  Speaker 3: these are facts, Okay, I want to share you some
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  Speaker 3: interesting facts for that week. Then when I talk about
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  Speaker 3: that week, I'm talking about the entire week of wrestling,
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  Speaker 3: the leading from Monday Night Raw on July seventh, all
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  Speaker 3: the way through to UH to Saturday Night's main event
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  Speaker 3: and and UH.
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  Speaker 2: Evolution.
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  Speaker 3: So on Monday night, July seventh, w W RAW is
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  Speaker 3: going to be from Providence, Rhode Island. Now, the next night,
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  Speaker 3: July eighth, is the end x T show. I've read
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  Speaker 3: that they are doing an NXT show, but I can't
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  Speaker 3: find any information about it, so I'm just going to
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  Speaker 3: leave that as being to be determined.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, on Wednesday night, AW Dynamite from Garland, Texas,
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  Speaker 3: and because all In is on Saturday to twelfth, the
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  Speaker 3: next night, July tenth, AW Collision from Garland, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Now also starting.
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  Speaker 3: July eleventh and July twelfth, there's no times on it,
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  Speaker 3: but I assume it's during the morning. Is aw's star cast, Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: But then also on July eleventh is Ring of Honor
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  Speaker 3: Supercard of Honor from the Esports Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Are we tired yet?
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  Speaker 7: So?
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  Speaker 2: But wait, there's more.
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  Speaker 3: Now this doesn't have anything to do with wrestling, but
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  Speaker 3: it kind of ties in because on July eleventh, Beyonce
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  Speaker 3: plays her first of three concerts at the Mercedes Benz
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  Speaker 3: Stadium in Atlanta. Okay, that is on a Friday, which,
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  Speaker 3: of course WWE SmackDown was coming from Nashville, Tennessee on
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  Speaker 3: that Friday as well, So keep in mind you have
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  Speaker 3: the Ring of Honor, Supercart of Honor and ww.
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  Speaker 2: SmackDown on the same day. Now wait, there's more.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, on July twelfth, I've already said that there
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  Speaker 3: is going to be AW Starcast, which was running on
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  Speaker 3: the eleventh of twelfth. I think that that'll probably be
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  Speaker 3: in the morning. But of course July twelfth is all
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  Speaker 3: in Texas, which starts pretty much but I think it
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  Speaker 3: starts real early. Put it that way. But also WWE
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  Speaker 3: announced NXT's Great American Bash at the State Farm Arena
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  Speaker 3: in Atlanta, Georgia. Now, if you've never been to Atlanta,
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  Speaker 3: the State Farm Arena is pretty close to the Mercedes
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  Speaker 3: Benz Stadium. I already mentioned that Beyonce is not is
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  Speaker 3: performing on the eleventh, but she is not performing on
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  Speaker 3: the twelfth, but also on the twelfth Saturday Night made
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  Speaker 3: event wwee later in the evening, also from the State
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  Speaker 3: Farm Arena, because the Great American Bash for MENXT is
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  Speaker 3: basically being run at the same time as All in Texas,
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  Speaker 3: but also on July twelfth in Atlanta, is the Futures
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  Speaker 3: Game in the Major League Baseball Major League Baseball All
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  Speaker 3: Star Week festivities, they're also I don't I haven't written
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  Speaker 3: down here. I thought I did. Oh yeah, okay, I do.
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  Speaker 3: So July twelfth, you've got All in Texas, You've got
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  Speaker 3: Saturday Night main event in Atlanta. Then you've got Great
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  Speaker 3: American Bash in Atlanta. You've got the All Star Futures
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  Speaker 3: Game and Celebrity Softball Game. Now, the All Star Futures
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  Speaker 3: Game and Celebrity Softball Game are really not that close
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  Speaker 3: to Atlanta. They're in Cobb County. I mean, you're still
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  Speaker 3: talking within ten miles of each other, but they're not
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  Speaker 3: like right next door to each other.
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  Speaker 7: Bye.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, but wait, there's more, so I said July twelfth,
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  Speaker 3: July thirteen, eighth in Atlanta, you have understand something to
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  Speaker 3: July twelfth. That's that's the end of the Well, No,
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  Speaker 3: it isn't, because July twelfth, I'm sorry. July thirteenth, in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 3: Beyonce plazer second concert at the Mercedes Benz Stadium, which
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  Speaker 3: at the same time very close by, arguably within walking
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  Speaker 3: distance for most people, is.
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  Speaker 2: WWE's Evolution two at the State Farm Arena.
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  Speaker 3: If you could go look at Mercedes Benz at State
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  Speaker 3: Farm Arena, they're not that far away from each other. Also,
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  Speaker 3: on July thirteenth, Major League Baseball is doing their four
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  Speaker 3: point four miler, which is kind of like a celebrity
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  Speaker 3: run in the heart of Atlanta. Basically, it starts where
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  Speaker 3: where the old Atlanta Braves Stadium is and loops around
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  Speaker 3: and come and ends right back at the old Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: Braves Stadium and then a course.
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  Speaker 3: On July fourteenth, and this has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 3: with wrestling, Beyonce has her third and final concert at
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  Speaker 3: the Mercedes Benz Stadium. The reason I'm bringing up Major
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  Speaker 3: League Baseball and the the Beyonce concerts is that these
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  Speaker 3: were all booked well in advance of WWE booking their things. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: major League Baseball's All Star Week is a big week.
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  Speaker 2: Beyonce is a big deal, especially in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: Right where are people going for these ww shows going
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  Speaker 3: to stay?
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  Speaker 2: Are they going to sneep in the streets?
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  Speaker 3: Because I can guarantee you that people have booked, the
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  Speaker 3: traffic's going to be a nightmare.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was going to say, trying to get any
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  Speaker 4: place is going to be just like the Circle.
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  Speaker 2: Of l Well Marta Well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, people could probably book hotel rooms and you
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  Speaker 3: know the perimeter, you know, down by the airport or
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  Speaker 3: north up in Cobb County, maybe even Gudec County, and
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  Speaker 3: take more to the rapid transit in Atlanta down down
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  Speaker 3: to the city. You know, get off of five points,
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  Speaker 3: you're right there. At least that's the way it used
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  Speaker 3: to be when I lived there. But it's still not optimal.
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing that I wanted to bring up is
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  Speaker 3: you've got all these shows now again, a w has
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  Speaker 3: had these shows booked for a while now. Even though
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  Speaker 3: they they moved the Supercard of Honor to this venue,
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  Speaker 3: they still did that quite a while ago. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm tired of talking, but you understand. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 3: exhausted just talking about it. You gotta watch it, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't think people are gonna walk. This is oversaturation
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  Speaker 3: of wrestling, I don't think and as you said, MKA,
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  Speaker 3: I just don't think it's it's right. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be wrestling my opinion, it's not smart booking.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you could argue that a w made a mistake,
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  Speaker 3: and I and I kind of agree with it. Why
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  Speaker 3: would you put Super Card of Honor on Friday and
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  Speaker 3: then follow it up less than twenty four hours later
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  Speaker 3: with All In Texas.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you know I'll be going down there.
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  Speaker 5: For all that event and stuff. It's five hours away
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  Speaker 5: from my house.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm really only doing I'm just doing star Cast
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  Speaker 6: and I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 5: All In.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not paying all that bunch of money just to
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  Speaker 6: go to dish it different events. I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: do that. It's a big event for me and my
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  Speaker 6: wife to go down to first the first time we've
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  Speaker 6: been away from the kids since we were married, so
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  Speaker 6: we're going to enjoy our time down there. But just
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  Speaker 6: crazy off the thing that's going.
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  Speaker 5: To go on down there.
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  Speaker 6: I don't I think booking the Ring of Honor thing
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  Speaker 6: was mistake. They should have done that differently. It's just
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  Speaker 6: a whole lot of saturation of advance. I don't think
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  Speaker 6: Tony's a clear for booking this crazy and stuff either.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, look, it's not fair to
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  Speaker 3: Ring of Honor and the performers at Ring of Honor either.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Rig of Honor pay per views are, in
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  Speaker 3: my opinion, every bit is good as AW pay per views,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody knows you know that AW pay per views
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  Speaker 3: are really really top notch.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a shame.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be watching Supercard of Honor, going
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  Speaker 3: to bed, waking up and watching All In Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I mean to be exhausted.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I can play Devil's advocate here for a second.
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  Speaker 4: I can see what Tony was trying to do. He
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  Speaker 4: was trying like, if All In is going to be
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  Speaker 4: like their mania, like what you usually have the night
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  Speaker 4: before the day before mania, you have the big NXT show,
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  Speaker 4: so he was trying to sort of do something like that.
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  Speaker 2: I think sure, But you know, to Tony Kahan's detriment here.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to know that WWWE is going to oversaturate
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  Speaker 3: the market, and that's exactly what w they announced three
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  Speaker 3: shows for in two days. I mean, it's just it's preposterous.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I do not understand. And let me put
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  Speaker 3: it this way. And I've seen this comment made many
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  Speaker 3: times and I don't want to misquote anybody, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: just gonna say it the way my interpretation of what
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  Speaker 3: has been said.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, think of it this way.
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  Speaker 3: People that are watching aw all In because that is
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  Speaker 3: the big pay per view, I think that a pro
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  Speaker 3: wrestling fan, if they had to choose between aw all
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  Speaker 3: In and Great American Bash, They're going to choose all In.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why is because they know that they
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  Speaker 3: can go and watch Great American Bash, you know, after
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  Speaker 3: all In, whether it's right after All In or the
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  Speaker 3: next day on Peacock, and they can fast forward through
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  Speaker 3: the commercials, you know, and because of the wrestling fatigue.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people with
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  Speaker 3: Great American Bash Evolution two and Saturday Night's Made Event.
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  Speaker 3: Don't watch these events live. I think you're gonna see
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  Speaker 3: a lot of pro wrestling fans kind of try to
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  Speaker 3: pace themselves, and they know that they can watch these
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  Speaker 3: events on Peacock. They're going to watch it at their
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  Speaker 3: own pace. And guess what They're going to fast forward
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  Speaker 3: through the advertisements. That's going to piss off the advertisers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just thinking from a business standpoint, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: This whole thing just does not make sense.
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  Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, if you're fast forwarding through the
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  Speaker 4: ads on a WWE show, you're fast forwarding through the
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  Speaker 4: whole show pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean look, yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Hearing you got some wrestling sprinkled in with your ads.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, look, I don't really want to go there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, as far as that, because WWE has been around
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, they're obviously successful. Their formula works
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  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, it works. But if you watch ae
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  Speaker 3: W and then watch WWE, there is a stark difference.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 3: Double or Nothing coming up. Doubler or Nothing was a
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  Speaker 3: four and a half hour show. Okay, Yeah, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what two hundred and seventy minutes. Out of those two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy minutes, one hundred and ninety six minutes
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  Speaker 3: bell to Bell was actual wrestling. Seventy three percent of
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  Speaker 3: the show of Double or Nothing was actual wrestling, And you're, okay,
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  Speaker 3: what you think about this? That's Bell to Bell. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we're not talking the other parts. Weren't all video packages
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  Speaker 3: and whatnot. They were like the entrances and whatnot. You know,
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  Speaker 3: so those are fun. So you're still getting entertained because
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  Speaker 3: you come out there with with these entrances and they take,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a few minutes to get done. I would
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  Speaker 3: if you take the entrances and the wrestling, the actual wrestling,
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  Speaker 3: you're damn you're looking.
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  Speaker 2: Probably around eighty percent was pure wrestling entertainment. You know.
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  Speaker 7: So look are they counting like the pre show as well?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, this is just this is I did the
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  Speaker 3: count myself Double or Nothing. The main show was four
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  Speaker 3: and a half hours long, and there was one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and ninety.
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  Speaker 2: Six minutes of Bell to Bell wrestling Bell Bell.
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  Speaker 6: I read where no match for the for Double and
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  Speaker 6: Nothing was under ten minutes?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, there there were a couple of matches I
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  Speaker 3: the if I'm not mistaken, I'm going by member here.
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  Speaker 3: I believe the Mercedes Monday and JB Hater match was
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  Speaker 3: twelve minutes in something, and the Hurt Syndicate match against
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  Speaker 3: the Sons of Texas was twelve minutes in something. I
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  Speaker 3: mean every other match was I think the other the
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  Speaker 3: two closest to that, I want to say there was
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  Speaker 3: one minute match was sixteen minutes, and there were two
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  Speaker 3: matches that were nineteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I may be off there, but that there were a couple.
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  Speaker 3: Of matches that were like thirty minutes, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: you know which ones those were, you know, So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: The point the point being here is, yeah, one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and ninety six minutes of bell to bell wrestling. I
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  Speaker 3: sincerely doubt if you take if you take Saturday Nights
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  Speaker 3: Made Event, Great American Bash and Evolution two and add
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  Speaker 3: up the actual wrestling in that those three events, I
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  Speaker 3: have a hard time believing that they're gonna have more
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  Speaker 3: wrestling than all in Texas. I mean, they may have
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more, but it's not going to be like, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: look how much more they did.
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  Speaker 2: Because two nights of WrestleMania two.
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  Speaker 3: Two nights of WrestleMania barely beat one night of Dynasty
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  Speaker 3: in actual bell to bell match time. And you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about twice twice as long, more than twice as long
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  Speaker 3: of shows, you know what I mean. So I mean
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  Speaker 3: it's it's and again this adds to the fatigue. I
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  Speaker 3: just I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Again.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not trolling WWE here because it's stupid to do so,
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  Speaker 3: because they're obviously very successful. All right, but I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: watch the w W show. I'm gonna take you know,
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  Speaker 3: DVR and fast forward through the through the bunk.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, chess.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was just going to say one thing that has
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  Speaker 4: been on my mind, and it gets just it makes
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  Speaker 4: matter the more I think about it. I have been
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  Speaker 4: wanting a follow up to Evolution for years, I bet
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  Speaker 4: like tons of people have. But the way that it
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: has been booked, with this petty dickery going on, if
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  Speaker 4: you are making me choose between a W and you
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  Speaker 4: can you lose. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mind boggley to me, It really is. I
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  Speaker 3: don't get it. Oh look, I'm gonna get off my soapbox.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you guys a chance to talk because
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  Speaker 3: I just rambled like crazy for what.
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  Speaker 2: Ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, so let's let's talk about Double
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  Speaker 2: or Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to get into like what were your
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  Speaker 3: favorite matches and what were you disappointed in? Let's just uh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Jess first because Jess has been.
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  Speaker 2: Dying to talk about Double or Nothing?
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  Speaker 3: Here, Oh Jess, Jess, what were your overall thoughts on
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  Speaker 3: Double or Nothing?
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  Speaker 2: And what matches you know, just or segments or what.
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  Speaker 3: Were your what were your favorite things and if and
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  Speaker 3: of course if there was anything you were disappointed in
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  Speaker 3: let us know that too.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna be letting my nothing was really I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess if I had to say like alt, like
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  Speaker 4: if something I was disappointed by, It's like I was
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  Speaker 4: hoping like this there would be some sort of big
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  Speaker 4: surprise return like Mariah Darby, Our Dear Sweet Lord and
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  Speaker 4: Save You Ready Kingston.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Where we got book?
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I did send yeah, all sixteen seconds of.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Them overall though, Like I have not read Meltzer's review
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: of this show yet, but just from my opinion, in
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: all that show and like what you said, like seventy
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: to eighty percent wrestling. I would not rate a single
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: match under three stars, even like the matches that were
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: there to be filler would have made a fine main
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: event on any TV or my more or lesser pay
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: per view.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, I want to ask you about that, because you
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: just brought up something. There were people that were legitimately
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: upset at the filler matches at at all In and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the filler matches that they basically pointed to. There was
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: literally three to people considered thrill filler matches. Ocata Mike
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Bailey was one of them. The other one was well
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Brisco at Ricochet was a lot of people considered that
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: a filler match. And the last one was was it
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: all the Trio's match, the Paragon versus whoever the hell
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: they wrestled.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: The doc towas amily, you know, but look, if you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: went from I'm interested in hearing your opinion on this.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: But in my mind, you had to put the paragrind
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: at the don Kallis family, after Anarchy and the Arena
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: and before Osprey and hey Manhanna Page. You have to
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: give people chanced to come down, go to the bathroom,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you know, get their you know, get their breath back. Yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: these I didn't have a problem with. Yeah, look, was
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I as entertained by the paragrin and you know the
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: don Cols family and Ricochet and Brisco and Ocada Bailey.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: No, I was not.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't think that they were like the oh wow matches,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: but they served the purpose.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I exactly. I mean, like you're not gonna put
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: freaking the main event right after Anarchy in the arena.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Just thinking about it just completely like wears me out,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: just imagining that scenario. You need to like breathe, you
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: need to pee sometime. You can't just get it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, go ahead, Okay, no, go go there.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: There's a reason why bookers know how to do the
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: ebbs and flows. And sometimes I arg you a lot
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: with why is this white here? But you have to
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: have a rest break. And I've heard nothing but good
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: things about an Archie and arena. I scroll through my
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Instagram feed, it's all over the place. It reminds me
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: the moment when like the buddies of the floor pops on,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: the whole arena was rocking, And that reminds me of
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: what wrestling should be. It should be fun, it should
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: be entertaining, yes, it's hochy sometimes and cheeseball, but it's
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: fun and that's what they need. And that show was
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: great and the timing was great because you.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Got to have that plateau a little bit.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Yes, I felt bad for Paragone and the don Kallis family,
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: but they put on a decent match.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: But they did, There's no question they did. They put
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: on a good match.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't story of the night.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Story of the night was Owen's and the Owen matches
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: and Ken Arena, which from what I've heard, just blew
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: everything out of the water.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I disappoint The other thing that sort of
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: disappointed me is I would have had Jamie Hater go over.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: But I can't really complain too much because Mercedes mone
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: versus Tony Storm is gonna kill.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you kind of look at it realistically.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Look at Tony Storm versus Jamie Hayter and Tony Storm
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: versus Mercedes Monette.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Which one is gonna sell the best?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: It sells more tickets, it's a smart.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Name, it's a smart choice. There was no way.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I love Jamie Hayter, but there was no way in
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: my mind, there was no way that Jamie Hater should have.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Won that match.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but we'll be I'm not a big fan of
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: this result myself, because what do we want Mercedes Money
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: to win?
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, how do you book that? To suffivee?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Well, no, this is a commesurate to uh, you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: hul Cogd and Andre to Giant, you know, with significantly
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you know, smaller people.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's one of those
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: things where I.
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: Tony Storm, Tony Storm Is and Mercedes Monet are, especially
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: Mercedes Monet are kind of seen as the faces of
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: the women's division.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's other great.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Women, but look, I mean, you've got these two women
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: that are literally, in my opinion, the faces of aw's
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: women division, and now you've got them going against.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Each other at at All in Texas. It hit. It
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: just hits harder than it's a talking point.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Look, I'll say it right now, if Jamie Hayter had
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: won that match, we wouldn't be talking about the All
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: in Texas match with Tony Storm right now.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: What they could have done is I'm cribbing a little
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: from my husband, who's pretty good at like fantasy booking.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: You could have had Hater versus Storm and then you
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: could have run back Athena versus Monette for the TBS title.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: That would have been great.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: No, I agree, that was I thought that's where everything
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: was going there for a while. But I don't understand
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: why they pulled out a thing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: For our right trist for her to lose and go back.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: I thought they were going to do something with that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: but uh, that didn't happen.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: So I agree, though, Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: No, I I think that what you're good to see
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: with Athena Athina is going to be at All in
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Texas and she's going to win and her opponent's going
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to be THECKLA, And that makes perfect sense. I mean,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: they were partners earlier this year in stardom. They faced
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: each other earlier this year in stardom, and after Athena
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: defeated Decla, Athena did challenge Decla to a fight, but
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: this time in the United States. So look, it makes
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: perfect sense. Look think about it. Logically, if you had
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Athena against Mercedes Monet, for example, for the TBS Championship
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: at All in the winner comes out looking good, the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: loser comes out looking really bad. I'm sorry they do,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: because if Mercedes Monette had lost Athena, what's the point
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: because she lost to somebody who's not even technically you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: used on the AW.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Roster very often, and she's not.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: But if Mercedes loses to Tony Storm, it doesn't hurt
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt Mercedes at all. And Mercedes beats Tony Storm,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really hurt Tony Storm at all. It just means, oh,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: here's the next story for the next sixteen sixteen months,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So so there you go.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense to have Athena against Docklea, and hey,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: if Dekla wins, that puts her in a position to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: be a big name in Ring of Honor and frees
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: up that frees up Athena to come to a w
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: and wreak some havoc.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: It's just the way I look at it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sure once, once the things become clear, we will
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: know for sure what's going to be happening, you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: at all in Texas with you know, different matches.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: But I'll go back to Jess.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: What did you think of the Osprey versus Page match?
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Did the right person win there? And what did you.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Think of the match?
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I mentioned this like in the chat like uh,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: and I mentioned this last two week. I adore both
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: of those men and I would have been happy with
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: either outcome, but having to pick one, I thought it
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: should have been Hangar because he had the better story.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: So I am thoroughly satisfied with how everything turned out.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought it was interesting.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what the rest of you
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: guys think, but the way that they built up this, uh,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: this match was, oh, will Osbury is gonna win?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: How is that? How?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: How is Hangman, Hangman and and Paige gonna lose? But
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that's not what happened. I mean, it was a pretty
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a pretty big swerve.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was respect to Osbar to win, and I
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: still stand by my point that I think he should
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: have been. But uh, from what Fightfulle said, they were
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: both trying to love before each other, which is great and.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: And so.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: But I thought Osprey would have been great, great to
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: be a future.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: I have no problem with Hangman.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: I love Hangman and he deserves the second Tyler Raine,
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: which is hopefully booked better than the last one.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: But I thought it should have been Ospray last night.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what the uh you touched on
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: what Feifel reported, And apparently Tony Khan did not tell
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: either Osprey or Hangman Addam Paige who is going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: win this match until very late.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And the report is is that Hangman Adam Paige lobbied.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: With Tony Khan to say that Osprey should win, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Ospray lobbied with Tony Khan to say that Hangman should win.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: That's so great, It's that's that's the It's sweet baby.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Look that's the kind of stuff you want your locker room.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's healthy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff you want your locker room.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you don't need the uh part of the French,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: but the CM punk bullshit stuff going on, you know.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And look that you know hangm At and Page winning
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: and now going to All in Texas. Yeah, some people
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: can say that's a big fu too to see him punk.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: You know. So look, I'm all for it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: You know, you want people to talk, and this is
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: getting people to talk, and I'm interested to see what
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: happens like on this week's Dynamite the Fallout show, you
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: know that's coming up really soon. Less as we're recording this,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: we're you know, less than twenty four hours from from
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the fall up.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I'm interested to see what the heck happens it really is.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: But you know, one of the things that just brought
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: up was there was a lot of opportunities for debuts
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: and returns here.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And really nothing happened.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, we had, you know what, we had hooked
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: there for sixteen seconds basically as I said earlier, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: gave kid and that was it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: You know, but when you look at it, aw didn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: need it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: They put on arguably the best pay per view of
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: their existence and they didn't need any you know, Brian
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Danielson and had them Cole showing up on the same
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: night to make it talk worthy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Surprises are fun, but they're not always necessary.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to talk about anarchy in the arena.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: When the bodies hit the floor gave me probably the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: thing that tickled me to death the most in the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: entire show, and that was when I believe it was
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Claudio Cassioli giving the big spin to Swear Strickland and
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: threw him into this little speaker and as soon as
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: swerve and as soon as Swear, I don't know if
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: he caught it, but I was dying laughing. As soon
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: as Swerve hit that speaker and shattered it into a
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: million pieces, the music in the entire arena stop as
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: if it was centered on that one little speaker. That
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: was brilliant theater. I am sorry, you know, And yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I thought that was just clever and it was a
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: little you know, it's interesting the little things that happened.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Make a lot of a lot of sense.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: That's what a lot of the entertaining stuff comes from,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: is the little things, not the big wow factors, but
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: little stupid shit.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Like that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier. I think it was in the chat
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: or something that basically a good narchy in the arena
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: slash stadium stampede match. Good wrestling is a plus but
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: basically needs an abundance of two things to be successful,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: and that's violence and comedy. And there was like a
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: ton of just the right amount of both in Sunday's match.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: It was just great.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there was, but a lot of the
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: comedy was three stooges comedy where it was praying. The
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: prelude to it was violence, you know. But you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: my daughter was at the show. It was her first
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a w Show live show, and she did say that
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: her and my son in law were at the show,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: and I talked to them both after after the show,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: and they did say that their seats were terrible. They
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: were you know, they basically it probably wouldn't have mattered
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: if it was a dynamite or a collision, but when
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you're talking about a four and a half hour show,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and they had to turn at an angle because they
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: were sitting by the stage. They were above the stage,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: but they were sitting by the stage. They were very
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: close to where when Prince Dana came out with Swerve
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: on the forklift, they passed pretty much right by my
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: daughter and son in law, and so they had to
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: kind of turn and look at the stage the entire time.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And of course there was a camera crane in their
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: way because she showed me pictures of where her seats
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: were before the show. So by the end of the show,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: they were sore. I mean, they were exhausted. But my
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: daughter did say that, you know, her section, I guess
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: because of that, was fairly quiet. They were not as loud,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: but they said that, you know, the rest of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: arena was loud as hell. She didn't know whether it
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: came through. She did say, here's the interesting thing. She
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: said that the music, she thought the music would be
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: louder in the arena, but it wasn't. She said, it
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: wasn't too soft, it was just right. But she thought
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: it would be like pounding, you know, it would be.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Pounding and really loud, and she said that wasn't the case.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: But she did say that her favorite part of anarchy
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: and the anarchy in the arena was when people you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: were chanting, please help Willow because Willow. However, how they
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: did that, they she got her ear chained.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: To the ring post.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: But one of the things I was concerned about, because
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I believe it was Barry that joined us a couple
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago, and he did go to a couple
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: of double or nothings, and he did see a couple
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: of anarchy and arenas, if I'm not mistaken, And one
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: of the things he did say was that it was
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: anarchy and arena was very hard to keep up with
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: because they really didn't show on the screens what.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Was going on. I asked my daughter.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: She missed things like, you know, the little things like
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Willow getting chained to her ear, getting chained to the
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: to the ring post, and.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: She said no, she saw everything.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: She saw everything live, you know, and she wasn't confused
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: at all, which I thought is a testament to a
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: really good production work on it. A W's parton I
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: gotta say, I thought the sound of this show on
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: TV at least was really good. The music was blaring,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: the crowd sounded awesome. You know, I think they finally
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: got it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Than Josh Matthews.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jush mathis right. Was there anything in not an Adder?
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Well, we can you could bring up at her Kaana read,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: of course, but was there anything in the pay per
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: view that's just surprised you?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I mean you've already talked about, you.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Know, maybe the Hangman ad him page and will Osprey
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: result being surprising, but uh, look, what.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Were some of your favorite moments at the pay per view?
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: I'll say that I'm very impressed with Speedball Mike Bailey.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: I know he's not gonna go far on the card,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: but he's always a good match, he's always entertaining, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: to put him with Okada, really I thought it was
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: a pretty good setup between the two and I knew
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: he would win, but man, he knows how to put
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: on a match and he knows how to use him feet.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: And he does a good job. So I got to
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: give him props where it's due.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I agree. I was actually just gonna mention that same
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: match because, like I was gonna say, it's the first
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: time in a long time that Okada felt like Okada.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: If that makes any sense.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Also, I absolutely loved a speedballs ring gear. I am
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: a just like seeing that, just like seeing his r
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: ring gear put a big stupid smile on my face.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what, I'm gonna go back as
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: far as something that impressed me, I'd go back to
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: zero hour or buy it if you will. I thought
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: that the energy of Harley Cameron A against Megan Bain
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: and Penelope FOURD was brilliant.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I love that match.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: They over delivered on that match so hard. It was
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: that The other buying match too, with the Lucha basically
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: was the Luca match that over delivered. Those are really
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: really good matches that I could you could. I'm telling
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: you they if they were on the main show, I
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have been upset about it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Put it that way, because that was just good fun.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: So very fun. When I said like nothing under three stars.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I was including those matches in my assessment.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I but again, I gotta give it to the women
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: because they knocked it out of the park. And again
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: they didn't need a run in or they didn't need,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: you know, a debut or return or whatever to make
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: it great. And that was a great match. I want
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: to see that match again, let me put it that way,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: and that's I just have to say it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I thought to buy that buy in match was fantastic though.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you guys, Were you guys disappointed at all
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: in any of the matches. Let's talk about Tony Storm
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: and Mina Shirakawa. Uh, you know, people were saying, maybe
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: this is the where Mariah May would come back again.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I think it was the right call just to have
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Storm and Shirakawa go at it. And after the match,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: you know, they showed their respects to each other by
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: sticking their tongues down each other's throats.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. But I think that's
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that's up story for the future.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I'm all for tongue kissing replacing a handshake at the
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: end of a match.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was kind of disappointed that Okada
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and Bailey didn't do it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, broke back stuff.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kenny.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I'm sure Kenny would do it, Oh for sure, Yeah
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: he would do that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, anything to set Chip Cornette off.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: I'm really impressed with what those two.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: I'm really impressed with Mina as well as how long it's,
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: how far along she's coming, and how quickly the the
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: A audience is taken to her. I think she's going
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: to be a future star along with the rest of
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: that division. She's gonna be wanting to keep up with.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I mean the way drawback would
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: be to shirk Kyla is that you know, she's not
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: a spring chicken. You know, she's as far as women
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: wrestlers go, she's one of the older ones in a w.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: For sure, you know, so really absolutely.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I mean I think there's Emmy Saker, of course is older,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: but Mina Shikkaw is what is she She's either thirty
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: seven or thirty eight, so no, she doesn't look it,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: but you know, and she she didn't start wrestling until
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: her thirties, so she didn't she doesn't have. One of
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: the things with stardom is that especially during the Rossio
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Goawa era. Look at Starlight Kid and as At Azumi.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I think Azumie was eleven or twelve, but she started
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: would startom, you know, uh, and Starlight Kid was like
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: thirteen or fourteen, and they're still there. But you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: look a Zumi's twenty two years old. Half of her
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: life she's been wrestling now. And you know, if you
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: pay attention to stardom, stardom is not like WWE or
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: AW because.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: They wrestle well over one hundred matches a year.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Each of the wrestlers, especially the top wrestlers, will wrestle
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: over one hundred matches a year, whereas say a AW wrestler, Espally,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: when I'm talking about the women's of course, I think
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Mariah May had maybe forty matches last year, and she
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: was the one that had the most matches in AW
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: last year, So I mean there's a big disparity there.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: So the wear and tear, what I'm saying is that
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the wear and tear on the body in UH in
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: stardom is going to be a lot more than say
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: WWE and and AW, and that, frankly is one of
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: the reasons why I believe that A lot of these
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: uh startup women like Carrie saying, you know Sky, you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: et cetera, Mariah May, Megan Bain, even Tony Storm. They
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: come to America, whether it's AW or WWE, because frankly,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the wrestling scheduled.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Is just a lot easier.
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: M hmm.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: So it is, it is what it is, you know.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: But I had no idea that Mino was the Joshi DDP.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's uh, she's she's not a young woman, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: but you would never know that by looking at her.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's she doesn't move, but I mean, look.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I remember when I was thirty six, thirty seven, thirty
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: eight years old. I was like, oh my god, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: can't even tie my shoes anymore. She's out there doing
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: what she does. More power to her, you know. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you gotta look look at these you know, John Moxley
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: and and Adam Copeland and all. You know, these people
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: have gone through it, you know, and they're still out
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: there doing it. I have nothing but respect for people
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: to get do that. I don't know how they do it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Look at I was gonna up like dusting. It's like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: I know he's up there and it's still wrestle man.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: He's I'm gonna say it, he's better than.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Because he can actually kind of keep up with.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: These other guys.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: But I definitely definitely stilled down. Obviously good of his age,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: but he can still go up there. But on a
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: show man.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I kind of want to talk
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: about her sneck and an Sons of Texas now that
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: you brought it up, Steve, because look, everybody was expecting
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: for something to go on, you know, tom foolery between
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: m JF and Bobby Lashley.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: And and Shelton.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Benjamin almost called them, called him Benjamin Shelton like Hulk Coogan.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But uh, nothing happened.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: In fact, they actually kind of played into something like
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Bobby Lashley was like wagging his finger at m JFF.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: You can see like the spark of disappointment going at
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: they broke out of the big smiles. They're wrist bumping
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: and the hogging and congratulating each other. And look, MGF
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: came out stronger in the hurt syndicate that he did
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: going in, and I don't think a lot of people
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: expected it, but I thought it was a great move
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: on their part to keep that story going because eventually
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: you know, something's gonna happen and they're gonna fall apart,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: but why do it real soon? Let it play out
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: for a little while.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's a brilliant strategy. I mean, if you
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: have like an odd duck that you think is causing dissension,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: you're sort of going to underestimate your opponents because you
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: think there's a fracture there. So what Bobby and Max
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: did was played that up until they you know, they
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: basically played their opponents with it. It was pretty brilliant.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I mean, look, I didn't have a problem
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: with this. I thought this match was going to be
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: one of the weaker matches on the card. That perhaps
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: it was, but that was because the match card was
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: so strong and the wrestling was even stronger than the
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: card presented. But I had no problem with this match.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: And hey, Sammy actually got to speak, because he's been
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: like a deaf mute back there for a while, you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: for the last few weeks, just.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Letting Dustin Rhodes do all the talking. Well he probably
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: got to speak.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, going back to anarchy in the arena,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: did you think about the the bucks, the the way
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: they came out at their enteran Steve and the long
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: introduction that that Roberts had to do.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: It was pretty much the entire Emancipation Proclamation paraphrase.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Gettysburg Address thrown in there a little bit. Anyway,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I fully thought I would look. I thought that they
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: would like, you know, take off their revolutionary war garb
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: and wrestle the match and or no, they wrestled the
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: entire match looking like minute men.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: That was just preposterous.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I seriously thought the drumming fife music is what we
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: were going to stick with it. Thought we were gonna
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: like be treated to ten straight minutes of drum and
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: fife music.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that it did go to I'm
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: so excited for because that song is like the most
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that it was the dumbest thing that Tony
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Kohan has ever done. And I think he may have
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: done that just to set up double or nothing, just
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: to use it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: And because I can't stand that song.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I cannot stand it, you know, and it's it's just
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: not a wrestling song, and it's justpid and what they
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: killed it off like after thirty seconds. I loved it,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: so so that's that, you know, Hey, I never maybe
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: enjoyed when the body's at the floor a lot more.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Put it that way.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: I thought that was a great song, got everybody hype.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: I mean that's.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: I'm not a super fan of that group, but I
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: thought it was a little apropos and then but when
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: they switched, I'm.
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: So excited I died. Uh that was hilarious.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: That's just a little aw humor for it for you.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: But Saturday night to fight at a night for fighting
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: is what I was hoping for.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, look, nothing says you know, professional wrestling
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: and anarchy better than the Pointer Sisters. I mean, they
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: go hand in hand, so one other matches one of
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: the Is there anything else that you guys want to
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: talk about as far as.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: This pay per view goes?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Really, the only thing that we did talk about really
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: is h Garcia Nigel against FTR, And of course we
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: really didn't speak anything about Briscoe and Ricochet.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: You know, these were I will disagree with anyone who
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: calls that a stretcher match a filler. That's one thing
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I absolutely adore about Ricochet is that he is a
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: pathetic goofy wiener until he's not.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, I mean I get but I but
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: you know, look, I absolutely think that that was a
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: filler match.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: There was nothing at stake in that match at all.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Uh it was. It was a filler match. Again.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: You know, that doesn't mean that it wasn't entertaining, because
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm just saying there was. It was. It
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: was a filler.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Match the pin and plus it was a setup. Like
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: the setup is uh Mark losing the match being carted
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: off in an ambulance, and then the payoff is later
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: in an archy. Rien later in a anarchy when he
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: comes back covered in blood.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know, didn't even like wash his face
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: or take off his shirt.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: You know, just do you imagine.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Being because I was, like, what two and a half
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: hours later, wearing a bloody shirt that entire time, which
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he probably didn't do. But that's what I
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: just don't get it. I mean that I would. That's
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: just that's just nasty. There's the other way to put it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: What do you expect?
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there you go. But yeah, I mean.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: The Nigel I was actually disappointed in in the u
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: FTR versus Nigel and Garcia match because Nigel really wasn't
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: in the match very very much. It was just basically
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Garcia getting the stop beat out of him, you know.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: And I again, I think it may be one of
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: those things where there's this story there. Maybe this is
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: where Garcia turns, because let's face it, people were so
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: concerned about Nigel, they just left you know, Garcia the
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: ring to get the stop beat out of him.
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: I didn't understand the point of there has to be
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: some point to this, Matt massive, but I just don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: see it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: I don't you know.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: We're all big fans of Nigel, but I don't see
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: the point in FDR other than turning them heel. So
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: we'll Garcia goes. Maybe Daniel Garcia does turn. He needs
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: a refresher and I could see him joining FTR, but
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: I don't or I don't know, but Garcia needs something
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: to step it up.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: So I gotta little agree. And I am saying that
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: as somebody who loves Danny. I love Danny, I love
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: his chemistry with Daddy Magic. They're great. That yeah, something.
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: Point he needs to get away from Danny Magic and
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: and be his own person.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: I like Danny Magic, but Daniel Garcia has to be
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: his own person if he wants to be taken seriously.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. But how would joining
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: FTR solve that problem? Because he's then to be jumping
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: from Daddy Magic to Stokely Hathaway.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: See, I'm not the creator Hathaway either, so I can't.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I have a big fan of Stokely though, so I could.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I could not have Soakley and a W and
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: I be fine.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I want to talk a little bit about the
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: applications of double or Nothing. Look, we already know that
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: hangman Autam Page is going to face John Moxley it
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: all in and hopefully win the championship and put an
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: end to that bullshit story. That's I feel like I felt.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I felt like I've been held prisoner of war, you know,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: for months now. Just get it over with. Already have
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: the match tomorrow on Dynamite.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Just get it over with.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I really, honestly, I really don't want to watch that match.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: But I will say this, I said the same I
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: said the same thing about if you remember the last
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: time the Entangment Adam Paige and John Moxley faced him
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: and faced each other at a pay per view, uh,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: on this podcast, I said, I really don't want to
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: watch this match because they had three don'll be the
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: third match, and like it seemed like in two weeks.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Of course it wasn't, but they had a pretty back
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: to back to back matches. I was like, I am
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: not looking forward to this match, and I ended up
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: loving the hell out of that match.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I just you know, and I hate Crow big time
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: on this podcast.
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: But we also.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Course we also know that Mercedes Monet is going to
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: face Tony Storm for the aw Women's Championship at all
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: in Uh, did you see any other implications you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: put forth here? Uh, as far as other matches and
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: other feuds, do you think anything there's better beginning? Look,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: you saw a little bit of discourse between Hook and
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Samoa Joe that was pretty interesting.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Uh, and I call me crazy, call me crazy here
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: for me this year Kawen did some heelish stuff in
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: that match with Tony Storm. Mm hm you know so.
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard rumors that they're supposed to be a
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: casino ladder match for women at all when it has
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: not been confirmed, of course, but but but I can
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: see that happen for a Number one contendership or or
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: life they do where they grab it and they get
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: a match when they want to or whatever. That would
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: be interesting.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I love those. I would definitely take a woman's casino match.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I would like to see a woman's casino match, but
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: In that that takes away from from Mercedes and Storm.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: You don't have a number one contender match before the
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: number one contender ever gets a chance to vuy for
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: the title.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't like that at all and that
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: that would be a mistake for me.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where does Osprey go from here? Seriously? Where does
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Jamie Hanner go from here? Where does speedball Mike Bailey
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: go from here? This is some of the things that
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I think we may get addressed and you know, the
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: next couple of weeks or you know, Look, we've got
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Dynamite on Wednesday. I think I think Collision is on
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: on Saturday. I think it's However, next week, just so
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: we you know, we will be doing All the Talk
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night after Dynamite to give our thoughts on that.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: But next week I'm going to already tell you we're
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: not doing an episode of All the Talk because next
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: week is fighter Fest and Dynamite is four hours long,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: so we're not.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Staying up until two o'clock.
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so I postponing the at for a week, you know, sorry, guys,
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: But yeah, I'm not I'm definitely not gonna do that.
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean so, I really see AW remember starting
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: to band together a little bit more, and hopefully I'm
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: starting to see some cracks in the Death Riders and
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: because something's gonna happen where if he does beat him
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: at all in Death Riders are done, they're no longer
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: powerful anymore. So I really do think something's gonna build.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: He's gonna get a group of people behind him to
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: watch his back so they can be a fair match,
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: because that's been the story this whole time, of interference,
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: interference left and right, new people coming in.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be those two together.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: Hopefully not a Texas death match like I said before,
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: but I just want to fair fight between the two,
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: and I think we're gonna see a team AW coming
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: together a little bit more.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Well yep, yeah, he said, like what's uh, where does
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Osprey go from here? He's already made his intentions known.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: His role at least threw All In is to be
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: a Hangman's second. As Hangman agreed to do the other
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: way around if Osprey won, right.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I hate the Harpod the death Writers,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: but they suck. They they are They are not a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: powerful team at all. Everything about them is not everything.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: There have been a couple of moments that I did enjoy,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: but for the most part they are absolutely unwatchable.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: You know, there are no Death Writers fans. I'm dead.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I may be one of the lone death
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: Writers apologists.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: And well you should stay off the aw fan hub
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: subreddit because many, many, many people have been sick of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: the Death Writer since I don't know, November.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: They are passe, they are overdone. They are a male
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: version or mostly male version of the Outcast. The Outcast
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: didn't work, and they were smart enough to kill that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: kill that shit off, you know, pretty quickly.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: No the outcasts. We pretty much as a unit agreed
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: that the Outcast. The only thing the Outcast did was
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: make the because there was four of them, and they
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: were always together, you know, at least three of them
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: were always together at every match that the Outcast had,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: whether it was singles or doubles, and the only thing
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: that the Outcast did was made the AW women in
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: mass look like absolute idiots because they would come out
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: one on three every single week and it just got
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: to be preposterous.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: It was groundhog Day. It was the same thing over
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: and over again.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: And you can't say nothing came of it. If there's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: no outcast, we don't get Tony Storm in his current form.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well, you know, look, you know, hopefully we'll
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: get I don't know, somebody we were you get a haircut, and.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: He'll be a good wrestler again. I don't know.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Well, all I'm saying is I honestly and sincerely, I'm
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: gonna tell you something. There was a part there was
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: a section during Anarchy in the arena. There was a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: section there was a segment of that match. I think
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: it was after the actual match was over and the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Team AW if you were, were walking up the ramp
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: and what was sitting there right in the middle of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: the ramp. Do you remember, Right in the middle of
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: the ramp when the entire Team AW walked by, Sitting
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: right at their feet was the briefcase with the AW
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: World Championship belt at it. What did they do? Kenny
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Omega kicked it down the ramp. I never wanted to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: strangle Kenny Omega more than I wanted to at that point.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: You know, the briefcase is a joke. The death Writer
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: this is a joke. It doesn't work, It's horrible.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: It'll be a huge sigh of relief when if Hangman
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: beats Mosley, which I don't want to say if it
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: needs to be win, but there's people who are scaring
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: me out there, who are saying a certain other person's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: gonna be it, and it's gonna take a while to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: do it, and if it does, I'm I let's just
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: say that if if Page doesn't win, I will probably
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: not watch AW till it's until Moxley loses.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Now, I will say this in all honesty, if Page
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't win at all, in We're probably not gonna be
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna be doing this podcast. Yeah, seriously,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I mean it's just a plain I mean, it's just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: being honest, because I will have lost.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I am strang.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: The only saving grace for the death Writers, reasonably for me,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: is that they've not been used as much I guess
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: as they were in the past.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: You know, uh, because they are not as dominant either.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: They take they take what they give.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I was speaking of things that suck. Have you
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: anybody really noticed that the correlation of AEW's uptick in
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: quality seem to coincide with Jericho, leaving just something to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: think about.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, I do not agree with that.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Actually, I think the uptick in quality has been mostly
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: correlated to uh well several things.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Just getting rid of the.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: I was being a little tongue in cheek there.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I hate to say it because I don't like
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: to come down on wrestlers that I actually think are good.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: But when once aw look therese there was obviously backstage
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: problems with a W and a W is released a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: couple of wrestlers now, uh, few wrestlers recently that.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: You can see a difference. Look, Ricky, Ricky Starks was
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: not as.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Good as he thought he was, you know, and uh,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I loved Panta and I loved Ray Phoenix,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: but they just they just seemed like they were more
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: of a problem. And the you know, and I'm speaking
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: out of my ass here, but they just seem like
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: they're more of a problem in the locker room than anything,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: you know, Miro, more of a problem out Malachi Black,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: who I adored more of a problem again.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: These all the a W.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Releases that are going to WWE are big deals of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: w W, you know, and that's it'll be interesting.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's just.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: It's interesting to me, But I don't know, it's.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, You're probably right. I just couldn't resist the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: opportunity to take a dig it. I just don't like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: him very much.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, you know Jericho did is not
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: a mad Jericho is a main eventor who was not
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: a main eventor anymore.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: Well, I think he's found his role. I think he
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: understands that he's helping you, people like Danny Garcia and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: stuff like that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: Build him up.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: And I I really don't think that he's ever going
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: to go to not be aw once he retires. He's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: gonna stay there and said because he feels appreciated. And
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: back to your point, Kelson, I feel like like the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: black cloud has been lifted ever since we got rid
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: of those guys and more more positivity has came our way.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: And I've seen, just to chatter through the internet, I've
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: seen a lot of people saying, hey, I noticed a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: change of a and I may start watching it again.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you see a lot a lot of people,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: you know, just getting tired of the of WWE shows.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't understand how.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Again, obviously they got a gigantic audience. I just don't
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: see how you can watch video packages commercials for hours
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: a week. It just doesn't make any sense put that
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: shit on YouTube. But it's obviously working. So I can't say, well,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: that's just you know, and I wanted to. Don't get
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: me wrong, I wanted to work. I'm not a WWE hater.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is I can't sit there and watch
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: a show. I gotta have it on DBR so I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: can fast forward through the you know, frankly to bullshit.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to change their their their style.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: I think, like I said before, I've been to a live.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: Event and it was Chinese torture.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: To me, there's a huge stark difference of being in
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: the middle action and watching product place matter product placement
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: and seeing a huge prime bottle there and just.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: It it drags on.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: I love AW just for the fact that it's there,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: You're in the midst of it, and for me, the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: audience is better.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't have to leave me I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: do not have a problem with product placement. I don't.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: To me, if you have a problem with pop product placement,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: you know a serious problem with it. You know, it's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: kind of petty, you know, because it doesn't take away
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: from the wrestling matches. You know, what takes away from
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: the wrestling matches is not having wrestling matches.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I'll make a different there. I mean, do you really
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: take the Viking Raiders seriously when they come out wearing
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: cartoony Clash of Klan's cosplay? I don't. I thought that
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: was horrible, and I love the Viking Raiders.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: What about will Osprey coming out with an Assassin's Creed's outfits.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: There's no difference, you know, I don't think so. It's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: just it's it's, you.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: Know, difference that Will Ospray loves and appreciates Assassin's Creed.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: It works with his character. He's the aerial assassin, his
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: move is the hidden Blade. Things he chose himself because
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: he loves Assassin's Creed. I don't think the Viking Raiders
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: have ever played plans in their life.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to ask them. Maybe they do, maybe
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: they don't. You know, It's just one of those things.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: You know, but I I can't fault somebody for doing that.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: I really can't, you know, I you know, I mean,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: do you really think timeless Tony Storm has ever watched
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Turner classic movies once in her life? Probably not. She
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't sound like it, but that's her character. Just being
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: honest here, you know, I've I don't think you can
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: take characters seriously, you know, that's all I'm saying. Yeah,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: you know Mercedes Monet when she comes out with her gears,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of times her gears.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Paying homage to something, and I like that. Uh you know, yeah,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: yeah it was it was neat.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I liked it, but it was like one of those things. Okay,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: did swear where that because it looked cool? Or did
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: he like that because you know he's a.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Lifelong Predator fan? You know? Well, you know, look, I.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: The only thing you can nippick, you know, personally, what
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I can nick pit nitpick is the death writers suck,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: and they've they've always sucked.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: They're literally the most uninteresting thing that I've ever seen.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: In a w or none.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing, the only thing in a
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: that AW has done that has been.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: More.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: There's two things that I could think of that have
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: been more annoying to me than or not more annoying,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: but as annoying to me.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: As the Death Writers.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: One was j car Gill's TBS Championship rain because it
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: was pointless, it was meaningless, it was repetitive.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: And Orange Cassidy's first reign.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: As the International Champion. I mean it was the same
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: match over and over and over again, and it kind
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: of made it was bad because if you listen, go
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: back and listen to these podcasts, we were like, we
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: were big fans of Orange Cassidy, and half of us
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: were like, we don't want to see this anymore.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, my mind probably be the Devil storyline. I got
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 6: so tired of that after a while and it petered
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: out anyway, So that would probably have to be second
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: place for me.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the collective. I don't think anything in aw has
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: ever been worse than the Nightmare Collective. And I speak
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: this is somebody who at the time had a huge
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: girl crush.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: On a.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: On a Missus Rhodes.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: There.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: I thought she was a gorgeous woman, but she is
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: a gorgeous womanous woman, Brandy, I love you, but this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: is just awful.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, you know, the way I look
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: at it is I think one of the strengths of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: AW right now is that the wrestling product is filled
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: with wrestlers that can wrestle, and if they are maybe
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: a little bit behind, uh, they are showing tremendous potential.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: And there are and it's diverse. I mean, there's it's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: not other than the death writers, which, to be frank
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: with you, they have changed it to where it's not
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: the same thing weekend and week out. It's been a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: lot better in the lastcar. It still sucks, but at
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: least it's not just like, is this a repeat? Haven't
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I seen this episode before? You know, at least they're
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: doing something new just as awful, but it's at least
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: it's new. But there are just you know, that's that's
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: the point I think with AW is that the promos
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: are better, the production.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Is better, the wrestling is better, and it hasn't.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Been dragged down by people that are, you know, a
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: detriment to the locker room. Again, they've released a lot
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: of these wrestlers and things have improved, you know, And
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, and hopefully we continue along this line
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: and don't bring in wrestlers that just can't wrestle, you know,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: And if they can't wrestle, just put them on the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: mic and let them be a character. You know, you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: don't have to wrestle to be, you know, a star
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: in wrestling. You know, it's as simple as that. You know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: played in the strengths right now. The strengths of AW
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: is their wrestlers. Ay, w's got some damn good wrestling.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: Hell, yes it does.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to Dynamite tomorrow.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: I really am interested in, you know, implications that arise
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: from double or nothing, and how they're going to build
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: stories toward All In. One thing I will say, and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: I know something's not here tonight, but All In is
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: on July twelfth. I believe that's seven weeks away. We
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: cannot go until July eighth before we get half the matches.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: We're all in.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: They've got to get these matches set in the next
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: at max, the next three weeks, at max, the next
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: three weeks. We've got to have a majority of the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: matches set for all In. Because you just can't pussy
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: put around with this anymore. You gotta get you know
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: what's coming. You've got to get the story out there.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with the fighter Fest being more or
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: less a free pay per view, that should be a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: huge help in building things up pretty quickly. He's not
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: the one that four hours.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's unfortunate because I have heard I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: think Fightful select Is has reported that there are quite
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: a few AW wrestlers that are banged up right now,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: which makes sense. I mean, Double or Nothing was brutal.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: You know, I know the bucks are banged up. I
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: would be surprised if I still I mean.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that's that's the thing. So I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: hope that fight or Fest has it off wrestlers healthy
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: to make it a pay per.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: View on DV I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. I mean it just came out like
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: to like late yesterday or early today that Drew McIntyre's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: gonna be taking a leave of absence because he can't
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: turn his neck all the way left. And I hate that. Wrestlers,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: any athlete, really feel that they have to work hurt
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: till it gets to that point.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, AW is famous for that.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, MGF worked hurt. You know, there's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of wrestlers worked or Julia Hart worked hurt.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know they do, but I'm just saying it
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: sucks that they feel that they have to.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you're like, look, and you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: I was upset because Drew McIntyre to me, he's the man.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: He is the man.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, by far, my favorite w w W wrestler
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: because he just has the look, he has the talent.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: I just I just like everything he does.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I really really wish he gets healthy
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: soon and takes the timing needs to come back and healthy,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's as simple as that. Well, that'll
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: do it for the show. I think we've talked about
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: pretty much everything that we can talk about.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: To the fallout show of AW Dynamite, and we'll be
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: back here tomorrow night, right after Dynamite to talk about
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: it again. I'm just looking forward to it. I think
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: it's going to be tremendous. I hope it's not a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: letdown because double or Nothing was so good. I hope
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: it's not not a letdown. So I'm going to go
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: back on to the AW Phantom sum Reddit and look
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: at the crazy amount of conversation that's going on there
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: because it's really exploded because of uple or nothing. It's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: just a lot of opinions going on between aw fans
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: and w W fans. It's it's uh, it's it's it's
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: a fun time to be a moderator and it's a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: horrible time to be a moderator at the same time.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like now that all these shows are going
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: to be announced all at the.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Same time, you know how much we're gonna have to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: be doing.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Tony would get me started.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: To go around deleting everybody talking smack about the death Riders.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, if you you take about half the death
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Writer more than half, well more and a half of the.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Death Writer post off the subred if you did that.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: But anyway, uh.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: We're gonna call it a night and we will see
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: you right after Dynamite this week.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Again. I I just I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, for the a w ont Podcast team,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: This is Kelson. Good night everybody. Good night. Eddie Kingston