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Trust the Divine Timing of Your Life Ep 66 · Spiritual Sense: Practical wisdom to quiet an overthinking mind and recharge your soul

• 0:00
  Speaker A: Welcome back to Spiritual Sense. Love and blessings. Today we're diving into how to trust the divine timing of your life. Do you ever feel like you think things should be quicker, faster? How come it hasn't happened yet? When's it going to happen? How is it going to happen? What's going on here? Why is it taking so long? We can want all sorts of things to change in our life and then just not changing, or we're wondering when something's going to shift. And all of that causes us a lot of stress, a lot of negative thoughts, stressful emotions, forcing, getting upset. But what if there is actually divine timing? What if things are actually genuinely working out to your advantage? And what if there is a deeper reason that things haven't changed yet and that they're going to come at the perfect moment and we're not exactly sure when that is? So that's what we're diving into today, trusting the divine timing of your life. Welcome, welcome. Hello, Shereen. How are you doing?
• 1:07
  Speaker B: Hello, Michael. Long time.
• 1:11
  Speaker A: It's been a long time. Yes. We haven't recorded since you went to India and went to the Kumbha Mela. Tell us. That was a very interesting experience. We can maybe have a whole podcast just on that.
• 1:22
  Speaker B: Yes, Kumbha Mela was fascinating. Fascinating.
• 1:28
  Speaker A: So the Kumbh Mela, just in case anyone wondering what we're talking about, is the biggest spiritual gathering in the world, 500 million people or 600.
• 1:36
  Speaker B: No, 620.
• 1:38
  Speaker A: 620 million people. That's such. That's.
• 1:43
  Speaker B: I couldn't even imagine that.
• 1:45
  Speaker A: It's an insane number. All going to a spiritual gathering. I've been just to, like, festivals and stuff like that where there's maybe like 20, 000 people and it's like, yay, it's 620 million. Right. So what a wonder.
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  Speaker B: But we'll get into not all at the same time. Right. At a span of 45 days, they come.
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: It's still at different times.
• 2:10
  Speaker A: Ah, so there's divine timing.
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  Speaker B: The organization and everything was amazing there.
• 2:15
  Speaker A: Incredible.
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  Speaker B: Like, you know, before people would get lost. I heard at this time, because of AI and facial recognition and facial tracking, they were able to really manage very well.
• 2:28
  Speaker A: So, yes, a positive side of surveillance technology. Let's hope they're not using it for something else afterwards. But that's a different topic. So divine timing. Divine timing. What have you got to say about this? How do we trust divine timing? How do we trust divine timing when things are not the way we like them?
• 2:54
  Speaker B: I think what Happens is I've been there myself, right? So I understand what people are going through where you want something and you feel you really need it right now. And like, you know, our center, the story of finding our center, you know, finding our physical location of the center is perfect. We really felt we needed it, right? And we needed it. And we must have looked at 30 to 40 properties, and we really needed it. We really needed it. We couldn't find anything. We were renting the location we were at. And then what happened was I went to El Salvador for a retreat to do. To conduct a meditation retreat. And when I was there, the landlady of our the center called and said, you have to move out in two weeks. And it was about Thanksgiving time. And I was like, this is close to Christmas. Where are we finding something? What's going on? And that is when this center came on the market, right? Just came on the market, and they reduced the price. If we were to look at the center even one month before, we wouldn't have considered it because it was too expensive and we couldn't afford it. And so we needed it at the right time. This came on the market at the right time, the price was reduced at the right time, and we got it right. And so if I think back to the time when we really needed it, when we were looking at these 30, 40 properties, right? We really desperately needed one. And so we couldn't find it. And so I understand where people are coming from, right? You feel, okay, you really need this. You need this now. But I feel that when we trust the timing, that experience has really made me trust the timing, that when we trust the timing, there are a few things that happen. Because when I walked into the center, the feeling I had was, this is ours. This is meant to be ours. Right? So now when I look back, I feel like whatever is meant to be ours will not pass us by. It will come to us. And so that trust has to be there. Whatever is meant for me will come to me.
• 5:54
  Speaker A: Yeah. So if it's meant to be, it'll come, and if it's not, it won't. So why worry about it?
• 6:02
  Speaker B: Right?
• 6:03
  Speaker A: Yeah. Because you tried 30 other things and then none of them worked out because they weren't as they weren't for you. And this is probably, you were saying, is better than the other ones. And people were thinking, oh, it's too nice, you know, initially, like, because it was different from the other stuff you were seeing. And you're like, so it's something better came than what you were looking for, so.
• 6:23
  Speaker B: Right.
• 6:25
  Speaker A: It's very interesting. I've had this experience countless times in different ways. Push, push, push, push, push. You know, and there's all this stress around it and why hasn't happened yet. And it physically feels disturbing and mentally and emotionally feels disturbing. And it's like banging your head against the wall. And then it finally says, not working. I'm just going to let go. And then something else happens. It's like, oh, that's like I recently, just like two, three days ago, so I, I've needed certain help in my work, right? So I've been putting it off. And then I said, you know, I need to hire somebody. So then I hired somebody. And then just as she was about to actually start doing what she was supposed to be doing, she said, no, I can't do it. So that's like, oh, and so now there's someone else, right? And it. If this other person works out because I haven't hired her yet either, then that would have been the destiny that was supposed to happen. And this other person was never going to work with me anyway. So it was all like, designed in a particular way. And what I. My attitude nowadays is, is just wait and see. Do you know, I mean, just don't put too much pressure on my. My feeling nowadays is just that you just sort of let things out there and then it's fine. Like even recently, I uploaded this course, Insight Time, of course, and I spent so much time working on it, and then they rejected it because they said, no, no, this is all just long meditations. And I'm like, no, but it isn't really. And, but the. But the thing is I wanted to change something, so it's a good job they didn't actually accept it because I just upgraded it this morning and then when I upload it again, it will get accepted and it's better, right? So this is these little things, but this life is full of like these bigger and smaller tedious little things. And we have to ask, are we in a state of constant stress? Is it push, push, push, push, push. Or can we just say, ah, yes, let's see what happens next, you know, because this can happen all the time. Like with. If you go traveling, the plane might be delayed. Or even with the podcast, how many times Shireen, Shereen and I, we both say, let's get it set up so that when we get on the thing, we can just press record, right? Never happens. But it, but at least it was like this time was like 16 or 17 minutes or something rather than like 50 minutes. But like there's a reason for that as well. Do you see what I mean? So this is, this is like a continuous thing. Are we going to push our opinion and get stressed out or are we going to say this is all supposed to happen the way it is?
• 9:24
  Speaker B: You know, someone. No, I was listening to a psychologist and they were saying that this is the opposite, right? They were saying that people who are pessimistic, right, and they think the worst is going to happen, what happens is first they are feeling bad because worse, they're thinking worse is going to happen. And then when the worst does happen, so then there are two times they get slammed, right? First, because feeling bad that the worst is going to happen and then the worst does happen. If the worst does happen, then that time, right? But now we have to shift that to the timing. Right now is not the right time, but the best is going to happen what is meant for me, and the best is going to happen, right. If I trust that, if I trust that, then I'm actually winning twice. I'm winning now for trusting and I'm winning when it actually happens.
• 10:34
  Speaker A: Yeah. And, and, and on another side, if it doesn't happen for some reason, right, Then you also trust that that was divine timing and that doesn't upset you either.
• 10:44
  Speaker B: Right?
• 10:45
  Speaker A: So you win all the way across, really, regardless of whether it works out or not.
• 10:52
  Speaker B: You know, Albert Einstein said something very profound. He said the most fundamental decision we all human beings have to make is are we living in a friendly universe that works for our benefit or are we living in a hostile universe? And so that's a decision we have to make, right? That's a fundamental decision we have to make. Right? It's like deciding which career you want to do, what you want to do for the next 10 years, right? Because that's a very important decision. And so once you make that decision, our recommendation is you make a decision that the universe is very friendly. Because what happens is once you make that decision, then you kind of attract. You attract the best things because of your state of mind, because of your consciousness, because of what's going on with you, you attract that. And so if I make a decision that the universe is my enemy, it's out to get me. So I'm losing every minute. I'm losing when I'm thinking, I'm losing when it doesn't happen. And even if I get. I'm not happy with it because I'm, you know, my mindset is like that. And so this is why we need to understand that trust in divine timing really comes with understanding that the universe is going to work for my benefit. The cosmic play, the drama, it's beneficial, it's going to work for my benefit and everything will work out and whatever happens, I will be happy with it.
• 12:46
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's a wonder, isn't it? It's all working out behind the scenes for the highest good.
• 12:54
  Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. You know, I feel there's this, right, the universe is working for my benefit. There's that area, but then there is the other thing where we need to have a balance, right? There has to be a mid path. One is trust, trust in the universe, trust in the timing, trust. And the other one is laziness, where I'm thinking, oh whatever, if it happens, it'll happen, right? That's the second, that's the, the other extreme. So there has to be a mid path. We have to trust in the timing, but we also have to work towards something. If I want something right, there has to be, I have to work for it.
• 13:47
  Speaker A: Yeah. We can't stay in bed and trust everything works out, right. Trust everything covers over my head. If I'm supposed to, good things are supposed to happen. They'll find me. I'm just staying in bed. Have breakfast in bed, stay in bed, watch tv. I hope it works itself out.
• 14:04
  Speaker B: Yeah. Doom scroll.
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  Speaker A: So five hours, five hours of tick tock videos in bed isn't probably gonna.
• 14:12
  Speaker B: I recently saw someone spend about five hours doom scrolling straight five hours on.
• 14:18
  Speaker A: The plane.
• 14:22
  Speaker B: In person actually. And, and I'm thinking, right, oh my God, how like, like they go into a trance and, and you don't even know the time. Like, like shake you like really you okay with this?
• 14:42
  Speaker A: Are you? All right?
• 14:45
  Speaker B: They're in a trance. They're in a trance. They don't know that's true. I don't know that it's going on. But anyway, back to this. So the laziness, right? I shouldn't be lazy and I shouldn't be impatient. There has to be trust and there I have to work for it.
• 15:08
  Speaker A: Yeah. Patience is the only thing that delivers instant results, right?
• 15:14
  Speaker B: Infinite patience. Instant. That's Course in miracles.
• 15:17
  Speaker A: Course in miracles. Instant, yeah. Infinite patience is the only thing that delivers instant results. Results. So it's true. And we can all look into our own hearts and our own lives and think back to times where we have push, push, push and nothing came of it. And then we said, all right, let me just trust and see what's going to happen next. And something else worked out, you know, it's, we just have to deal with some level of discomfort. That's what it comes down to. Because obviously we wouldn't want something to change if we were perfectly happy the way we were. So, so something is a bit off and we're wanting to close the gap for our comfort and, well, being quicker and which is understandable. None of us like to suffer and we don't like to unnecessarily be in unpleasant situations. So we're like. But we don't want to make the situation more unpleasant by getting stressed out about it. That's, that's really what it comes down to. Because what we're saying is you have to take action, but you can't force results. So you have to let go. But when you're letting go, you don't have what you want. So you have to deal with some level of discomfort and it might be longer than you want. That's, that's, that's why this is hard. If, if we lived in complete comfort for like, oh, you know, I want this thing, but I'm having such a great life anyway, this wouldn't be an issue. The reason this is a problem is because we're not comfortable with where we're at.
• 16:52
  Speaker B: You know, part of the reason I feel the problem arises is there is two aspects to achieving something, right? One is desiring it and then one is deserving it. So if I want to achieve something, let's say I want to achieve a certain amount of income per month, I have a desire for it, but also I have to deserve. No, I have to. Deserving means not that I deserve it or not, but that I'm working toward it. Like there's some amount of effort is going into this. So that's. We call it deserving, let's call it deserving. And so if my desire is there, but if I'm not doing enough of the deserving, then stress is created. And so there has to be desire, but also we have to do the deserving. And after the deserving, right? This famous Chinese bamboo tree, like, you know, you water, tend to water it, water it, water it for five years and then in three months it grows. Whatever right amount of it just shoots up. And so it's the same with anything, anything in our lives, right? Sometimes we are tired of making effort, tired of making effort. And we think, when is this going to happen? When is this going to happen? Like, we were just so exhausted looking at 30, 40 properties, right? Kept thinking, when is it going to happen. Is it down there? Like, my mind was totally filled with that for months and months and months. And so there has to be this, again, balance between deserving, desiring and letting go of the outcome.
• 18:55
  Speaker A: Yeah. And. And also it's very useful to receive the energy of your future success. Now that. This is a very, very deep practice. Actually. I've been. I did. I've done a course on this. I've been thinking about this for a couple of weeks, and I was just recording it this morning, that if you imagine that if your future outcome that you want, it already exists, it's predestined, It's. It exists in the future and it's done. So there's a higher version of yourself that's, like, already here, because past, present and future, if you look at them from above, they're all here simultaneously. We just experience this moment one at a time for whatever reason, but the future exists already. So if you can imagine your future outcome that you want, and you can have the trust that it is done, it is done, and you're going to do all the work and everything and it is done, then you can actually pull back that. That feeling and that sense of satisfaction and success and peace from the future into the present in the now, and feel very relaxed. And that's actually going to make you want to do more work, ironically, not less work. This is what athletes do, like, think about the. Like the Olympians who are winning gold medals. They spend hours and hours and hours imagining success in their mind and imagining performing and winning and performing and winning until they feel absolutely confident about it. And of course, they also do all the practices and all their training and everything else, but a big part of it is their mind. And so they're pulling their gold medal experience back here, and then they're sort of moving into it. I've heard loads of stories of people who. They've seen it clearly, and then when it comes to actually doing the thing that they've imagined, they have this very strong feeling that it is done. Like, it's really solid feeling, and they're just moving into it. Right. And this is in our spiritual teachings. You have to imagine your future success is already done, and you're taking steps that you've already taken before. And that. What that does is that takes the pressure off. It makes us feel very, very good, and it makes us also take action with a sense of grace rather than with a constant state of stress, which is. Which is much more. Because if you think about it, which type of action is Going to get better results. One action is that I'm feeling really, really awful. I wake up feeling stressed out. I'm stressed out the whole day. I'm pulling my hair out, everything's a disaster. I'm having nightmare thoughts. That's one sort of way of going about things. The other way is to imagine it's already done. Success is guaranteed success, Success, success. I'm feeling great and with joy I'm doing things. Which one is more likely going to be a more powerful action? Do you know me?
• 22:10
  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: Think about just the power.
• 22:11
  Speaker B: Absolutely. Right.
• 22:13
  Speaker A: You know, so we can not. So the what we're kind of talking about today really is that you win twice by doing this or you lose twice by doing it the other way.
• 22:27
  Speaker B: Right, right. You know, after many, many frustrating situations around wanting things and not happening and like, oh my God, I have to suffer through this, being impatient. Many, many of those instances. Right. The final straw was of course the center. But before that, many, many instances I've come up after the center, right? After the episode with the center. I've come up with these six points point plan. Every time I am impatient about something, I'm worried about the timing of something. It's getting delayed, something is happening. Then I bring out these six steps and I keep. My mind keeps going through these six steps. You want to hear it?
• 23:23
  Speaker A: Well, of course. We have to have a serene six step. At least it's not a 16 step plan. So this is great.
• 23:29
  Speaker B: I know, right? This is just six steps. Oh my God.
• 23:31
  Speaker A: How long have you had these six steps?
• 23:35
  Speaker B: For a few years.
• 23:37
  Speaker A: Few years.
• 23:38
  Speaker B: Like anytime delay happens, like even when I was at the Kumbh mela, right. The flight back to, from Prayagraj to Hyderabad was so packed. Right. This airport, airport must have seen thousand passengers a day before. And now it's seeing like, you know, 200,000 passengers a day.
• 24:05
  Speaker A: Everyone's coming through this one airport, one tiny airport.
• 24:11
  Speaker B: And it's not that big an airport. It's a small airport and you couldn't go inside the airport because there's no space inside the airport till about three hours before your flight. You couldn't go inside the airport. So you. When I got dropped off, like I was shocked. Like there's a Kumbh Mela going on here. Thousands of people outside the airport. So then you wait for your three hours because you don't know. The traffic jams were so bad. We had to go five hours before the flight took off to the airport because we don't know if you'll get stuck for four hours or you'll get there in an hour. So you just have to account for all this. And so we went early. Thankfully we went early. We got there early and it was five hours. So we stood outside for two hours and then now we went inside. And after we went inside, the flight kept getting delayed and it was really late at night. You know, our flight was supposed to take off almost like 11 o'clock or something. And 12 o'clock rolled around midnight and the flight is not taking off. The flight came late and there's no place to sit in the airport. It's really packed. And I'm sitting there getting so impatient, impatient with the delay, impatient with everything. I was just so tired. And that's when I took out my six point plan.
• 25:40
  Speaker A: Six point plan. To the rescue. To the rescue.
• 25:43
  Speaker B: Let me just sit down and do this, okay? The six point plan, I changed it. I, you do a different version of it for different occasions. For this particular occasion, I did a particular version of it and I will go through a different version for different occasions.
• 26:01
  Speaker A: All right, so before, you know, before you get into it. So let's just, whoever, whatever is, whoever's listening to this, imagine something you're frustrated about that's not happening. It's taking too long. You're like, when is this going to happen? There's no benefit what's going on. So write it down, think about it. And then as you go through this shreem, they can go through it with you. All right, so what are these six steps to sort out this frustration?
• 26:28
  Speaker B: The first step is you have to visualize your final outcome. And so I was, okay in this particular case and we'll talk about different things, a different situation, differently. But this one where I'm waiting for the flight, right? And so I was visualizing me being in Hyderabad and you know, laying in my bed, having a nice rest, having my hot shower, a hot shower away from millions of people, right? I was really visualizing that. That's the first step. You visualize your final outcome. The second step, which I usually do is I, in the case of, let's say like where I can actually do something, then I do something. So instead of just visualizing, you add, you like, do something to your visual. You like put it into action. Like put something into action. So in this particular case, because I couldn't do anything, put anything into action because it was really beyond my control, I just started doing my drills, right? I just started doing drills like my meditation. I was doing a meditation and I was doing totally differently. And it was very hard to do meditation with people breathing down your neck, like packed, packed, packed. So, but anyway, meditations, second step. And then the third step is gratitude. Gratitude for what? I have so many, many people. So we were actually sitting around, standing around, and I was next to these doctors from Delhi and they were saying that their flight got delayed too. And they were saying that many of their friends couldn't come because they couldn't find accommodations. The traffic was. They came halfway and the traffic jam was so bad they had to go back. And many people couldn't find flight tickets, whatever. Right. So just feeling the gratitude for being there, being able to go there, for able. Finding the accommodation for all of that. I was just feeling gratitude. Right, that's the third step.
• 29:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. Because you got there, you know, these other people didn't even get there.
• 29:15
  Speaker B: I mean, and many people couldn't. Yeah, 620 people got there. But at least I was going, you know, people were walking, right? People were walking. They had very. It was very. Because of so many millions and many people were very poor. They couldn't afford a lot of things. Right. There was just sleeping on the pavement, you know, the. On the side, on the sidewalk. They were, they were, you know, all of that was going on. So just to be. I was just feeling very grateful and I really had to take a moment and forget about what is going on around me and just feel grateful. That's third step. The fourth step is to really remember all the times when you had similar experiences and you saw through it. Right. Different things happened. Things really worked out for your benefit, to really remember those times. Because I was remembering. In this particular case, I was remembering, oh, there was so many times, flights got delayed so many times. And I finally went to my destination and everything was fine. Why am I getting so stressed out about this right now? But in different situations, we can.
• 30:44
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's happening in different place. Contexts.
• 30:47
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, different contexts. Yes. So. And then they did work out and everything was fine. Right. That's what fifth step was that the fifth step. That was the first step.
• 31:04
  Speaker A: I've lost track now, but keep going.
• 31:08
  Speaker B: Right. Anyway. And then one of the things that, for me, I feel really helps is this whole deserving and desiring. Right. That I have to minimize the desire and I have to create space between my expectation of the outcome and me. I have to see the outcome as something there and myself is the soul. And I'm creating this space and I'm detaching myself from the outcome. So minimize the desire and detach myself from the outcome. And so in this particular case, I was really detaching myself from the flight, being on time. I was just seeing myself as a soul and thinking, no, no, no, just detach yourself from the flight, being on time. Just detach, detach, detach. And the final step. The final step is really to connect with God and have faith. Have faith that whatever is in your fortune will come to you. You know, just that. Bring the presence of the divine in and just feel that faith come, that whatever is in your fortune will come to you. So not in this particular case, but in many other cases where I just had to sit down and tell myself, it's in my fortune. It will come to me. It's meant for me. It'll come to me. And. And in the past, whatever was meant for me came to me.
• 33:05
  Speaker A: Yeah. What a. What a relief. So how did you feel after?
• 33:13
  Speaker B: Really great. And tired too, but.
• 33:15
  Speaker A: Because it was just like, I'm tired, but this will be. Everything's going to work out fine.
• 33:20
  Speaker B: Everything is going to work out fine. I just sat down and just, you know, put. Put my thing in, like, just totally went inside and then just did my steps and did my drills and did all of that. And then we finally got on the flight and we went home and I'm here. No worries. All worked out. Right now.
• 33:42
  Speaker A: It's all a strange dream, isn't it?
• 33:44
  Speaker B: Now it's all like, what? Yeah. And so we have to really see the number of times actually life worked out for us. You have to count those as blessings, and those blessings will invoke more blessings.
• 34:07
  Speaker A: That's good advice. Yeah. So if you think about how many times did things seem like they were a bit shaky, but then they worked out. It's worth writing a list, actually. I'm becoming a big fan of journaling recently because we can't see our thoughts clearly enough unless we write them down. When you actually see it on paper, what you're thinking about. So if you think, how many times has things worked out for me in my life? It's a long. It's a big, thick book. Actually, we were more prone to looking at when things didn't work out.
• 34:47
  Speaker B: Or just in that immediate moment. No immediate moment. We are getting caught up in the moment. Like, no, just step back and it's okay. Don't. We don't need to get caught up in the moment.
• 35:00
  Speaker A: No, like, there's so many things that we. In the moment are a big deal. And then later on we just don't care, actually. And certain things that we think there's one more step.
• 35:17
  Speaker B: Yeah, I did mention gratitude, right? No, no, the gratitude. I mentioned gratitude, right?
• 35:23
  Speaker A: You did, yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker B: So I feel that we are constantly thinking, I want, I want, I want, and we are not being grateful for what I have. And so what happens? This step, right? I feel all the steps are very important, but this step of gratitude, right, Being grateful for what we have. Because if I'm not grateful for what I have, then what's going to happen? If I do get something I want, then what makes me think I'll be happy getting what I want? Because I'm not grateful for what I have.
• 36:01
  Speaker A: So many times in, in life we get what we want, but if we have a habit of wanting things, we can't actually appreciate them for more than either a few seconds or possibly up to a few months of the longest.
• 36:20
  Speaker B: Three months.
• 36:22
  Speaker A: Three months, isn't it? Three months is the, is the limit. And then, then it becomes normalized. I find this such a fascinating psychological principle. We. I want, I want, I want, I want, I want. Oh, please, please, please. And then we get it, and then we're like, yay. And then we normalize it and it becomes this. That's now the new baseline. And then in order to, to get something else, it has to be higher. And that's why the, the various billionaires and successful people who have various things, they're not happy because they've normalized their new level, you know, so it's like they got private jet and they got this, this, this, and this and this. And they're like, God, because. And it becomes harder and hard. Get a kick out of it. So now the, the latest thing is they need to get to Mars or whatever it is, right? Because that's a really extreme thing to manage to pull off. That's how extreme it gets. You know, we have to take over the world to get to Mars. Then we'll be happy, you know, finally. So. And then when they get to Mars, that won't be good enough, right? They'll be like, oh, it's only Mars. It's not even that far away. So it just, it just goes on and on. So can we enjoy our life? And one of the best methods for that is to imagine you lose everything, right? Because you have to drop the limit, drop the standard. So if you lost everything, you have everything, including your health and all your relationships and your mental faculties, right? That would be a real shock to the system, all right? And then you imagine just getting your health Back, you'd be like, oh, my God, this is the best thing ever. Right? And now I can think clearly. Oh, wow, that's incredible. And, oh, I've got, you know, this, this, this glass. Hooray for the glass. And, oh, I can record a podcast. So we have to pull it down and then bring it back again. This is a practice that's very important. And that's why in. In spiritual methods, there's this practice of being soul conscious. Because the soul is zero. Zero is point. What does a soul have? The soul is a point, doesn't have anything. And so that. This is like a very powerful psychological principle. If we come just to a point, point of light doesn't have anything at all, then, then we come back again. We like, oh, wow, this is a fun game we're in. Right? But if we're not practicing that, then we're like, I already have everything. What's next? Why isn't it coming quick enough? Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. I even sometimes find myself getting impatient with my Amazon boxes. I'm like, what the hell is going on here? I ordered this thing yesterday. This is totally unacceptable. But. And then I get it and I'm like, oh, I don't even like this thing. And now I have to send it back. And that's a pain in the ass, right? So this is the madness that can come over us. So when we come back to I'm just a point, I'm a point, I'm a point, I haven't got anything. Then it's like, oh, wow, look at this is. Just being alive is a blessing. Aside from anything else.
• 39:32
  Speaker B: You know, another one of the steps which I said about distancing yourself, the soul, when you were talking about the soul, I was remembering this. Distancing the soul from the outcome. We are too close to the outcome. It's like, yeah, you know, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want. And like, you're like, attached to this outcome. Right? We have to just separate ourselves from the outcome and say, I am a soul, and that's the outcome, and let me detach from it. It's very liberating, actually. Just this exercise is very liberating. It's detaching from the outcome. It doesn't matter. I'm not the outcome. Nothing about the outcome is defining me. I can be happy without that outcome.
• 40:27
  Speaker A: Yes. Huge relief that you don't need it in order to feel good about yourself.
• 40:32
  Speaker B: Exactly.
• 40:34
  Speaker A: Yeah. And. And that leads to a sense of ease, doesn't it? It's like, like, I'll give a practical example. So I'm currently hiring somebody, right. I don't need this person to. To work out for me. I really don't. So if it doesn't work out, I really don't care. Like, I mean, the only thing I'm losing out on is maybe some. Some time, but I'm learning in the process and refining things anyway, so that's not really a waste of time. But in the past, I'd like, I need to find people to do these things because it needs to be done and blah, blah. And so I wasn't enjoying the experience and I was attached to the outcome. And then it tends to. Didn't work out very well either because of the energy around. It was stress. But I'm. But like, when we don't need it, then we feel fine and. And then we. We're open to actually more opportunities when we do that as well, because we're not attached to one particular thing. What if there's some alternative reality where something else happens? It's even better that we can't even imagine because there's all these options. There's all these things. And the, the other thing that I find interesting is that why do we want to. Why do we want to do anything? Like, why do we want these things to happen? Why do we want these outcomes? If you ask enough times, so let's say someone's like, I want more money and okay, why do you want more money? Oh, because I need to pay all these bills. All right, why do you need to pay those bills? So that then I don't have to worry about this thing. Okay, and why does that matter to you? And if you keep going long enough, I want to buy a new car. All right, why do you want a new car and you keep going? It comes down to, I want to buy this stuff, to have these things, to do these things so that I feel better in some way. I feel relaxed. Like a lot of people say, I want more money. Why do you want more money? So that I feel more secure or I feel more relaxed because I'm not worried about money. So what they actually want is to feel relaxed or I want to. Like, we want to reach more people on this podcast. Why do we want to do that? Because we care about people. We want to help people. But why do we care about that? What do you think the reason is, Shreen, in this case, for our podcast, what are we trying to get out of this on an emotional level?
• 42:57
  Speaker B: I just want to talk about the money example you gave, right? I feel we need money not to just relax. We need money to pay the bills.
• 43:08
  Speaker A: That's true.
• 43:09
  Speaker B: And. And if you have children, right, you need money to stay, be in a good neighborhood, then your children will go to a good school, you know, because everything now requires a lot of money. It does require money and everything, right? You go to the grocery store before, even two. Two years ago, before COVID you go.
• 43:30
  Speaker A: To the grocery store. Yes.
• 43:31
  Speaker B: You spent $50, $50, you got decent groceries for a week, and now you have to spend $200, right?
• 43:37
  Speaker A: It's quite funny.
• 43:38
  Speaker B: And, and so the. I don't think we should give money as a. Money as an example. We can, like, let's say after the baseline is set. After the baseline amount of money is set, if I say I'm making $200,000 a year and I want a million dollars a year, okay. Then I can say, okay, I want it for to relax or freedom or whatever it is, right? I can say those things, but I can't say those things till the baseline amount is met.
• 44:10
  Speaker A: Well, it's. Even if the baseline. No, I'm not suggesting that there is no practical benefit to money, because clearly there is. The point is, if you ask somebody, let's say someone. I've been in situations myself where I haven't been able to pay my bills, right? When I. When I was starting out in my business, and so if I asked myself, why do I want this money so that I can pay my bills so I don't get kicked out of my house? And why do I. Why does that matter to me? Because I don't want to get kicked out of my house because it's stressing me out, right? So the real reason that. What's driving me on a deeper level is the feeling of stress is actually like, the biggest part of this, you know? And then I. I've thought about this very deeply, like, well, if. If I did get kicked out of my house, this is a real story. If I didn't pay my bills, I'll get kicked out of my house, right? I didn't have any money. I didn't have any way of making money, right? So I was genuinely a bit disturbed about this. And so I said to myself, all right, why do I want it? What's the benefit of me staying in this house so that I can do more work, I can help more people, I can have a better life and I don't have to live on the streets, right? And I was in Hawaii, so I Mean, it would be living on the beach, which wasn't too bad actually. So I thought, worst case scenario is I have to live on the beach. And, and I, I really got to a point in myself where I said, if it comes down to it, where I have to live on, if I have to leave this house and I have to stay maybe in a friend's house temporarily or sleep on the beach or something. Right. Can I handle that? Because it might happen. Right. Am I okay with that? And I got to the point where I said, yeah, if that's. What, if that's the highest good for all, it's genuinely the best thing for me to do to lose my house, then fair enough. I'm still gonna. I did everything I could. I did everything I could. Nothing was working. And when I finally came to peace within myself about if everything goes horribly wrong, I am alright with it. Then about a day later, just before I had to pay my rent, some cash came in. There was literally just me to rush down to the place and give them my rent. But it got to the point where I genuinely had to be okay with letting it go. And I came into the feeling of peace and then the money came. So that actually let me trust in the divine timing of life. Because. And I've had various versions of this in different context again and again and again. So the reason I'm bringing all this up is because if you think what is the feeling state that you're trying to achieve by doing this, these things, and you can pull that back into your life now, because we're feeling beings and we have inner feelings anyway, then we feel the, the benefit of the outcome. We can experience that on some level now before we get it right. So then that's another winning three times. We're winning, we're winning, we're winning. It's like, like I'm hiring someone. Right. I can feel the benefit of having someone working for me doing whatever she's going to do now, even though I haven't hired her. And I feel good about it. Nothing's happened, but, but I'm. I'm not stressed in the process of getting it done. I'm enjoying it.
• 47:40
  Speaker B: Right, right. Because there's also this separation. No, you're not like, it's not defining you.
• 47:48
  Speaker A: No.
• 47:49
  Speaker B: It's not like, oh, this is who, you know all of this is gonna happen. Not happen. Oh my God, what am I as a person? You know, I'm a failure. It's not defining you.
• 47:59
  Speaker A: No. And I can actually enjoy the process of waiting. It's actually quite fun. It's wait and see. So, plenty of goodies here. Yes. It's time for blessings. When Shireen wants the blessing, it's time for blessings. So we have lots and lots of things.
• 48:21
  Speaker B: No, no. If you wanted to say something, go ahead.
• 48:24
  Speaker A: No, we can. We. We have a. There's an intuitive feeling, and. So everyone can Take whatever you want from this. This episode, and may all of your pure desires manifest with ease and grace. And I hope you enjoy the process as much as you can.
• 48:46
  Speaker B: I just randomly picked a blessing.
• 48:49
  Speaker A: Okay, well, that's the one for us then, isn't it?
• 48:52
  Speaker B: Coolness. Your caring nature has flourished, showing the world your remarkable abilities to bring calmness and coolness. You are a peacemaker, making an impact in the lives of many with your pure kindness. You are truly a master of inner serenity.
• 49:22
  Speaker A: That sums it up quite well, doesn't it? Yay.
• 49:28
  Speaker B: So when we are serene, we are winning at every moment.
• 49:33
  Speaker A: Winning, winning, winning. We can win. Win now and win later. Yeah. So enjoy your winning and know that everything's working out in perfect timing. And I'm sure in. In a year's time, you'll look back and go, oh, wow, look how everything worked out. Great. It's better than I thought.
• 50:00
  Speaker B: Thank you, Michael.
• 50:02
  Speaker A: Thank you, Shereen. Thank you to everyone listening. Much love.