Latest / The Path Went Chilly / Ed Baker Pt. One
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- 0:31Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm
- 0:36Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case. November eighth, nineteen eighty
- 0:42five, Harris County, Texas, the charred body of fifty two year old
- 0:47Ed Baker, the millionaire chairman of an oil investment business, is discovered inside
- 0:53his burned oak car in a remote field. Since Baker was suffering from serious
- 0:58financial problems and claimed he was receiving death threats, there is suspicion that he
- 1:03was murdered by people he owed money to. However, others suspect the Baker
- 1:07staged an elaborate suicide in order to ensure that his family could collect on his
- 1:12life insurance policies. It's also theorized that Baker may have faked his own death
- 1:18and fled the country, but the actual circumstances of what happened to him remain
- 1:23unknown. After that, the path went Chiley. So today we're going to
- 1:27be exploring another bizarre case which was featured on Unsolved Mysteries, the nineteen eighty
- 1:33five death of Ed Baker. Or was it actually a death after all?
- 1:38This is a pretty unique story about a man who built up a multimillion dollar
- 1:42oil investment business before it all came crashing down and he wound up debt.
- 1:47The charred remains a Baker's body would be discovered inside his burnt out car in
- 1:51a remote field, and on the surface, this seemed like a clear cut
- 1:55case of foul play, since Baker had been experiencing severe financial problems and his
- 2:00playing paranoid behavior prior to his death, which suggested that his life was in
- 2:04danger. But it turned out that opinions about this case would be sharply divided,
- 2:07as there was other evidence to suggest that Baker could have staged an elaborate
- 2:12suicide and made it look like a murder so that his family could collect his
- 2:15life insurance benefits. And there was also a third possibility. Even though investigators
- 2:21were pretty certain that the victim inside the vehicle was Baker, his body was
- 2:25burned so badly that some people suspected he faked his own death in order to
- 2:30escape his troubles. So could the victim have actually been an unidentified John Doe.
- 2:35If Baker really did die that day, was it suicide or was someone
- 2:38else responsible for his death? Well, after thirty eight years, there are
- 2:43still no conclusive answers about what actually happened, but the possibilities are endless.
- 2:47So we're going to be exploring a number of different theories about the case on
- 2:51today's episode. I have so many questions, like is it possible that the
- 2:57decline in wealth came from something more complicated than just a failed business endeavor?
- 3:02Like could it have been that, Yes, he's a very successful billionaire or
- 3:07multi millionaire doing these oil investments, but he's also contributing money or funneling money
- 3:14to something that's darker. Or is he gambling or is he part of some
- 3:19other kind of elite group who's doing illegal behavior, and therefore when the finances
- 3:25crash, maybe it's not just his business that's crashing those finances. Oh yes,
- 3:30this definitely gets brought up a lot later in this case, there is
- 3:34speculation that he was involved in the legal activity, and he was involved in
- 3:38gambling. He was spending more money than he earned, so I think that
- 3:40definitely contributed to his problems. And then you've got to think about the mental
- 3:45health that comes with that, right, So, Like I mean, I
- 3:46feel like right now, in twenty twenty three, we're all doing the thing
- 3:51where it says, Okay, how do we take our family finances and cover
- 3:53groceries and mortgages and car payments and children's childcare and clothes and everything that we're
- 4:00looking at. Financial stress can cause significant mental and emotional health problems. It
- 4:05can cause significant relational and family problems. I'm wondering when you started describing him,
- 4:12I almost felt like you were describing Rivera to a point. I'm not
- 4:17sure there's a similarity because there really isn't like any outward indications that he was
- 4:20suffering from a mental health problem. But it's possible that he reached the point
- 4:25where he realized either I'm going to be go to jail or I'm going to
- 4:28wind up bankrupt, and that suicide might be the better option to almost protect
- 4:32his family instead of just being a mental health crisis. Yeah, that's a
- 4:35lot of people theorize is that he knew it was the end, but he
- 4:39wanted to ensure his family was being taken care of before he killed himself.
- 4:44Our story begins in Texas in nineteen eighty five. Our central figure is fifty
- 4:49two year old Edward Gerald Baker, who goes by the name Ed and currently
- 4:55lives in Houston. Ed spent the early part of his life working such jobs
- 5:00as a shoe salesman and an insurance agent, and had two daughters and a
- 5:03son with his first wife, but after twenty years of marriage, tragedy would
- 5:08strike on Thanksgiving weekend in nineteen seventy three when Ed's wife was killed in a
- 5:13car wreck. He would soon get remarried to a woman named Mary Ella and
- 5:17eventually decided to start his own company called Vanguard Groups International. At the outset,
- 5:25Ed only had three employees working under him, including Mary, and the
- 5:29company initially specialized in such ventures as building inexpensive housing and selling partnerships in commercial
- 5:35real estate development. However, by the time the nineteen eighties rolled around,
- 5:41the oil industry was hitting a major boom period in Texas, so Baker decided
- 5:46to start using Vanguard to sell limited partnerships in speculative oil wells. After achieving
- 5:51some early success with promoting oil well exploration, it wasn't long before Baker developed
- 5:58a reputation for being a brilliant strategist who was able to develop clever tax shelter
- 6:02programs and sell them to wealthy investors that were happy to trust him with their
- 6:06money. As a result, Vanguard would be featured in Ink magazine for three
- 6:12consecutive years on their annual INK five hundred list of the fastest growing privately held
- 6:17companies in the United States. By nineteen eighty four, the company was housed
- 6:23in a newly constructed office building and its sales had reached to nineteen million.
- 6:28However, as Ed's wealth grew, it seemed like he wanted to change his
- 6:31lifestyle, and in March of that year, he decided to divorce Mary after
- 6:35ten years of marriage. In September, Ed married his third wife, Karen
- 6:41Wallbridge, but the marriage would prove to be short lived, and Ed would
- 6:45file for divorced from her only five months later. Only four days after the
- 6:49divorce was finalized, Ed got married for a fourth time to Sandy Hawk,
- 6:55one of his employees at Vanguard. Okay, if anyone's listening, if you
- 7:00were going to be his fifth wife, it's time to start looking at the
- 7:02trail right and there, and is probably not someone you're going to rope down
- 7:08and have as a long term partner. So surprising, very surprising. You
- 7:13have this successful man. He sounds like he's almost a narcissist who says Okay,
- 7:17I've been successful. I don't need her, even though she stood beside
- 7:20me and help me start this company. And this one's not so fun either,
- 7:24And I can get whatever I want because I'm a wealthy man. And
- 7:29he just kind of seems to pick and choose what he wants when he wants
- 7:31it. Don't you feel like he's probably already engaged in an affair, like
- 7:36the idea that four days later he goes on and he marries that employee of
- 7:42Vanguard, And it's like, clearly you were obviously engaged in some kind of
- 7:46extramarital affair prior to this divorce, because just your timeline seemed to be like,
- 7:51whatever's convenient if she starts to have too many opinions, or if I
- 7:56find somebody who I think is better looking or more fits the idea of the
- 8:00successful guy that I've become. It's exactly what Actley said. It just falls
- 8:05under this really narcissistic behavior. And it's pretty cringe when you look at this
- 8:11long list of women. But ugh, get like Ash said, if there
- 8:15was a fifth wife, you would definitely be looking at all of these other
- 8:18wives that came before you, and these short marriages and I mean, the
- 8:22one ended in tragedy. We can't count that, but it seems like a
- 8:26man who wanted to be on the rise and wanted to project a certain image,
- 8:30and his wife was like merely an extension of him, exactly. And
- 8:35as he gets more and more successful, or as he thinks he gets bigger
- 8:37and more grandigoes, he's like, oh that one not so much. Not
- 8:41you either, No, thanks, thanks for helping me, but I'm going
- 8:43to continue to keep going. Doesn't sound like the person i'd want to have
- 8:48chasing me for a short term. But I will say, even though he
- 8:52did get married four days after the divorce was finalized, we all know,
- 8:56especially if money is involved, a divorce would have taken a really long time.
- 8:58And you do have people who say, I've been filed for divorce for
- 9:03two years, you know, and because of the court systems were waiting on
- 9:05stuff. But Ed's gross so far in his his grandiose behavior. I think
- 9:15that's an extension of of that. Oh yeah, we're going to talk more
- 9:18about this on our next episode. But I have the feeling that Ed was
- 9:22suffering from a serious midlife crisis as he got into his fifties and got more
- 9:26rich because he did a number of weird things around this time period, and
- 9:31the fact that he went through so many wives in such a short amount of
- 9:33time. It was just kind of par for the course for him during this
- 9:35time period. Doesn't the name Vanguard remind you, do either of you?
- 9:39Watch Seinfeld? Yes, vandal Ay Industries exactly. Yeah. And it also
- 9:46reminds me of them, didn't the leader cult leaders? Yeah? I'm like,
- 9:50yeah, I think he did keep going there or whatever. Yes.
- 9:54And if another man, if you just look at him, I'm I question,
- 9:58what was it. I don't see it either about good old Vanguard.
- 10:03So Ed's going to hire George Constanza to be his LATEX sales yes, and
- 10:09start his own colt. It was also around this time period when Ed began
- 10:13to spend money excessively and became heavily involved in high stakes gambling. However,
- 10:18this would eventually come back to bite him because, without his investor's knowledge,
- 10:22Baker had been borrowing their money to support and maintain his lavish lifestyle. He
- 10:26likely assumed that he would be able to repay that money once he attracted another
- 10:31round of investors, But as nineteen eighty five rolled around, the price of
- 10:33crude oil started dropping in a huge way. This would lead to an oil
- 10:37glut, which drastically worsened over the next two years and had a major negative
- 10:41impact on Houston's economy. As a result, Vanguard started experiencing serious financial hardship
- 10:48as Baker found himself unable to attract many people to invest in his oil well
- 10:52deals. As the years went on, Vanguard's investors, most of whom had
- 10:56invested a minimum of two hundred thousand dollars each, were clamoring for their money,
- 11:01but Baker was unable to repay them. Three lawsuits were filed against Vanguard,
- 11:05including one from Window Energy, who complained about having invested in an oil
- 11:09drilling operation which was never completed. Okay, so basically he's running a Ponzi
- 11:15scheme where he just continues to make these false promises, collect money, and
- 11:18use them for his own benefit, is what he's doing here exactly. And
- 11:22like Ponzi schemes weren't as well known in the nineteen eighties, but these would
- 11:26definitely come into the spotlight a lot during like the late nineties and early two
- 11:31thousands, with people like Bernie Madoff and with like the two thousand and eight
- 11:33financial crisis. But whenever you do something like this, it's always going to
- 11:37fall apart, where eventually you just do not have enough money to maintain your
- 11:41lifestyle and pay back your investors in the house of cards comes crashing down.
- 11:45Who do they say, borrowing from Peter to pay Pal? Is that is
- 11:48not the phrase? Yeah, that's the phrase. Yeah, exactly. I
- 11:52Also you got to think, too, he's got kids, right, that
- 11:56are they're probably adult kids at this point, but he's he's got kids too
- 12:01that are you know, I'm sure part of this lifestyle or you know,
- 12:05their dad's an important figure in their life. And so this would be incredibly
- 12:09stressful to say. Not only do I have the investors that are coming after
- 12:15me, I have legal repercussions coming after me. Eventually this could turn into
- 12:18criminal charges. And I don't know how much he's worried about his temporary wives,
- 12:24but I do assume he would be very concerned about the fact that he
- 12:28does have children and possibly you know, other little kiddos that are counting on
- 12:33him, and not only is his lifestyle falling apart, but theirs could be
- 12:37too. By October of that year, Vanguard was on the verge of bankruptcy,
- 12:43and Baker's issues with his investors, as well as some tax problems,
- 12:48meant that he was not only in danger of losing his company, but he
- 12:52could also be facing potential jail time. Baker told his private investigator, Bob
- 12:56Gail, that in order to escape financial ruin, he was arranging a baileut
- 13:01with two men from Miami who were going to loan him a million dollars.
- 13:05According to Gail, Baker was very concerned because he'd heard these men might have
- 13:11some sort of connection to the mafia in organized crime, so he wanted Gaile
- 13:16to run a background check on them. While at around seven thirty pm on
- 13:20the evening of November sixth, Ed suddenly showed up at the home of his
- 13:24ex wife, Mary, and he appeared to be very paranoid and anxious.
- 13:28Mary said that she had never seen Ed look this bright and before, as
- 13:33he started rambling on about how he was being followed and that over the past
- 13:37two weeks he'd received some letters at work containing death threats. Ed also told
- 13:43Mary that earlier that day he received two threatening telephone calls at his home number,
- 13:48even though it was unlisted, and the caller said quote today is your
- 13:52day to die. I feel so bad for Mary in this moment. I
- 13:58mean, this is the woman, remember who started the company with him when
- 14:01it was a legitimate business. It's something that you know, she was part
- 14:05of the action, and when it starts to skyrocket, he divorces her like
- 14:09it's almost as if she really was his right hand man. She really was
- 14:13his best friend, saying, not only am I helping you grieve the death
- 14:16of your late wife, I'm the wife to step in after that role.
- 14:20I know from experience that's not an easy position to be in. She also
- 14:24is encouraging him to chase this stream of a new endeavor and they do it
- 14:26together, and then he leaves her, and then she watches him start to
- 14:31kind of have this grandiose lifestyle from wife to wife to wife, and then
- 14:35all of a sudden, he's back on my doorstep. And as much as
- 14:39you would kind of be frustrated with him, this is the man who was
- 14:41your best friend and husband for many years. You guys did a lot of
- 14:45things together, including your family, and he's scared and he's overwhelmed, and
- 14:52I'm not so sure that there wasn't some kind of complication if he received money
- 14:56from someone other than a financial institute who was going to quote help him.
- 15:03Trust me, there were heavy strings attached to that money. So it's like
- 15:05blood money. In my opinion, no one is going to just help you.
- 15:09I've learned that the hard way right financially, with business, no one's
- 15:13out to just help you. There's always something at the back end that they're
- 15:18going to get tenfold for whatever they're offering to give you. So could he
- 15:22have been right? Could he have been scared that these people wanted more than
- 15:28he could repay and now he's indebted to them and he might have to pay
- 15:31with his life possibly, Or like we talked about it earlier, he could
- 15:35be setting an elaborate plan in motion. But at this point I almost feel
- 15:39like he actually is legitimately overwhelmed and scared. He has real names to give
- 15:45to his private investigator. If he was just super vague with everything and he
- 15:48didn't have names of the actual people to run background checks, I would say
- 15:52what you just said, Ash. He was setting up this whole idea of
- 15:56there being this imminent threat to his life in order to be able to have
- 16:00this elaborate stage suicide so that the insurance companies would pay out and you know,
- 16:06his debt would be forgiven or whatever the situation. But the fact that
- 16:10these people have names, I don't know. It does sound like he could
- 16:14have been in danger. And I will say about Mary is that she seemed
- 16:18like a very decent person that even though Ed had divorced her years earlier,
- 16:22it sounds like she still legitimately cared about him and was fearful about his life.
- 16:26And we'll talk more about this later on, but I find it interesting
- 16:30that as the years went on, it would be Mary, his ex wife,
- 16:33who seemed to be more anxious to find answers about what happened to Ed,
- 16:37rather than his current wife Sandy. So Mary was would pretty much be
- 16:41the torch bearer at trying to find answers and being an advocate for him over
- 16:45the next several years. I assume that was her love. I mean,
- 16:48I assume that they truly did life together, whereas it sounds like these second
- 16:53are the third and fourth wife might have been luxury items who were arm candy
- 16:59for a man who had more money than he knew what to do with and
- 17:03started to want to have somebody who was young and attractive and fun at a
- 17:07party, these kinds of things. Whereas Mary was that person, she was
- 17:11his rock. I'm sure through many griefful moments mourning his wife, I'm sure
- 17:18that she was there when days weren't good in a small business startup, and
- 17:22she was there when the days were good until he decided to leave. So
- 17:26I very much believe she not only loved him, but she loved his family.
- 17:30And in this moment, she's going like, as much as I think
- 17:33sometimes you are the dumbest man I've ever met, I don't want anything to
- 17:37happen to you. I feel like, aside from his late wife, it
- 17:40has to be the most meaningful relationship that he's ever cultivated. And unfortunately,
- 17:45probably due to his midlife crisis, he used her bit like a stepping stone
- 17:49and then went through wives really fast, and at that point he wasn't married
- 17:52to them for very long. And it doesn't seem like he seemed all that
- 17:57interested in the day after the relationship. It was more like the external,
- 18:02how it made him appear and how others perceived him, and how his wife
- 18:06was an extension of him. But it feels like from the information that we
- 18:08have, his relationship with Mary was different, especially since she was the one
- 18:14that he trusted to go to with this information. It speaks to the depth
- 18:18of their prior relationship for sure. So before he left Mary's house, Ed
- 18:22mentioned that he had sent his current wife, Sandy, to her daughter's home
- 18:26in Austin for her own protection. Hours later, at approximately one am on
- 18:30the morning of November the seventh, Sandy said that she spoke to Ed over
- 18:33the phone from Austin and he told her that he was holed up in his
- 18:37bedroom because he had just received another threatening phone call. He said there was
- 18:41a good possibility he might die and asked Sandy to remain strong before he ended
- 18:45the call. Later that morning, at nine to fifteen am, Ed's gardner
- 18:49showed up at his residence and discovered that the house had a broken window and
- 18:52appeared to have been burglarized. When the gardener went inside and entered Ed's bedroom,
- 18:57he noticed that the telephone have been knocked off a table and an ashtray
- 19:02was overturned on the floor. Though the rest of the house did not appear
- 19:04to be ransacked, there was no sign of Ed anywhere, and while a
- 19:08shotgun he owned appeared to be missing, most of Ed's personal items, including
- 19:12his jacket and a wallet containing credit cards and nine hundred dollars in cash have
- 19:17been left behind. Okay, I mean knowing that we have two theories murder
- 19:22or suicide, or potentially a murder he committed, put the body in the
- 19:29car, and fled. You could see this from both sides, right,
- 19:33But I'm almost inclined at this moment to think he had sent Sandy to her
- 19:37daughter's house for her own production. I genuinely think he was scared, whether
- 19:44it's legitimate or not perceived or not imagined, I think he was scared.
- 19:49And he also makes a phone call over to say that he had just received
- 19:55another threatening call. So he is confiding in Sandy, and he is confiding
- 19:59in Mary's and then that night he disappears and he doesn't take important things.
- 20:07Now, if you're going to complete suicide, I don't think you need your
- 20:08wallet, although keep in mind you have your car and the registration for that
- 20:15and stuff. But to make it easier on people, wouldn't you want your
- 20:18wallet at the scene to make an identification super easy? You'd think if you
- 20:23were planning it. Now, if you weren't planning this and you were apprehended
- 20:26or something happened to you. Leaving your wallet behind becomes a very serious issue.
- 20:33And there's also the fact that the only item that appears to be missing
- 20:36is his shotgun. And you keep wondering yourself if he was kidnapped, why
- 20:40would his shotgun be missing, Like, why wouldn't they use their own guns
- 20:42to get him out of the house. So it makes you wonder is there
- 20:45a reason that he took that when he disappeared. Maybe he fell for fear,
- 20:49in fear of his own life, and that was the quickest weapon for
- 20:53him to grab, but somehow he was apprehended in the process. But I
- 20:59agree these people are they're as mobbed up as they seem like they are,
- 21:03or is threatening so much so that he is so paranoid. He's confiding in
- 21:08both his ex wife Mary and his current wife Sandy, and he's telling his
- 21:12private investigator that he's scared. These guys have their own guns, so they
- 21:17didn't take his gun to do this. But I do agree with you ash
- 21:19In that if he was going to stage an elaborate suicide, I would think
- 21:25identification of the body would be a really important thing, So you would want
- 21:29to make it as easy as possible for the investigators at the scene to be
- 21:33able to draw the conclusion that it is indeed your body. Ed remained a
- 21:37missing person for the next twenty four hours, but shortly after nine am on
- 21:42the morning of November eighth, the Harris County Sheriff's Department was contacted by some
- 21:48farmers who reported finding a burned out vehicle in a remote rice field located next
- 21:53to a dirt road about twenty miles outside of Houston. When the Sheriff's and
- 22:00arrived at the scene, they discovered that the burned out vehicle was a Jaguar
- 22:03Sedan and the charred remains of a person were in the passenger seat. The
- 22:08body was burned so badly that they could not even tell if the victim was
- 22:12a man or a woman, and its weight had been reduced to thirty two
- 22:18pounds. A check of the Jaguar revealed that it was registered to Ed Baker,
- 22:22but due to the condition of the remains, the authorities could not say
- 22:26with absolute one hundred percent certainty that the victim was him. However, the
- 22:32medical examiner's report noted that there were at least sixty points of similarity between Ed's
- 22:37dental records and what was left of the victim's teeth and jaw, so the
- 22:41official consensus was that it was him. In addition, a ring was found
- 22:47with the victim, and Sandy would positively identify it as a ring that she
- 22:52had given to her husband. A burnt thirty two caliber revolver was on the
- 22:56vehicle's passenger side floorboard beneath the victim's feet, and there did appear to be
- 23:00a gunshot wound in his head. The cartridge under the revolver's firing pin had
- 23:06an indentation which seemed to indicate it had been fired, while the other five
- 23:11shells inside the gun looked like they had exploded from the severe heat of the
- 23:15fire. There also appeared to be remains of a shotgun inside the vehicle,
- 23:21which may have been the missing shotgun from Ed's residence. A total of three
- 23:25empty one gallon cans of gasoline were found inside and around the vehicle, so
- 23:30it seemed pretty obvious that someone had intentionally set the Jaguar on fire and this
- 23:34was a case of arson. Okay, so many questions here. If this
- 23:38is some mafia related or planned attack on this man and they have the plan
- 23:45to go in. We're going to kidnap him. We're going to put him
- 23:49in his own car and drive him somewhere, shoot him, set the car
- 23:55on fire, and tried to burn all the evidence. If they have the
- 23:59wear withal to buy gas cans and gasoline plot when they're going to attack this
- 24:03man, make threatening phone calls. I'm going back to the shotgun we just
- 24:10mentioned. Why would his shotgun be part of the plan. You came prepared
- 24:14with a murder weapon. If you went to this extent to attack him right
- 24:18and to kill him and to get rid of him, why not just kill
- 24:22him in his home right there and set that on fire. That's very bizarre
- 24:25too. Why risk taking him from his home to the car and driving with
- 24:30someone who is likely panicked. Why would you do all that? No one
- 24:36else was in the home. It's not like they had to isolate him away
- 24:37from anybody else. That's odd to me. I'd also like to ask,
- 24:44do we know you said? The medical examiner reported there's at least sixty points
- 24:48of similarity between Ed's dental records and what was left of the teeth and draw
- 24:52area. I'm curious how rare would that be for other people to match that,
- 25:00like, is that something that one in ten thousand would have, one
- 25:03in one hundred would have, one in a trillion would have What are we
- 25:07looking at there? That's a good question, because I don't really know how
- 25:11they conducted dental records investigations back then, Because this was nineteen eighty five,
- 25:15it was still a much different time. DNA testing was still a couple of
- 25:19years away, So today they would just use DNA to positively identify beyond a
- 25:25shadow of a doubt if it was him. But here, you're trying to
- 25:27do dental records for a very burnt out body, and I can't imagine what
- 25:32the teeth looked like at this point. So he said there were at least
- 25:34sixty points of similarity. But if it's sixty out of say eighty or ninety,
- 25:40then that sounds like a pretty convincing match. But if it's sixty out
- 25:42of a couple hundred, then maybe that isn't so convincing. But he did
- 25:47think that there was enough similarities that he felt that the victim was ed.
- 25:51So witnesses reported having seen smoke in the rice field early on the morning of
- 25:55November the seventh, which meant that Ed's death likely took place only hours after
- 26:00his final phone call with Sandy. Around that same time period, an eyewitness
- 26:03had been driving through the area and noticed a blue Chevy pickup truck with chrome
- 26:07rails and mag wheels rapidly speeding away from the field, but the truck was
- 26:12never found and it was unclear if he had had any connection to what happened.
- 26:17In a bizarre turn of events, hours after the discovery of the burnt
- 26:21out jaguar, the body of a young man who appeared to be in his
- 26:23early twenties and dressed in nothing more than a camouflaged shirt, was found about
- 26:27a quarter mile away from the scene. The victim had been handcuffed and killed
- 26:33by several blows to the head, which crushed his skull. Initially, there
- 26:37was speculation that this man might have been hired to kill Baker before someone else
- 26:41killed him, but the investigation later determined that he was murdered in a dope
- 26:45deal, which was completely unrelated to the Baker case. As far as I
- 26:49can tell, this young man's name has never been released publicly, and there
- 26:53virtually no details available about what happened to him, but he was likely killed
- 26:57around twenty four hours after the first eyewitness sightings of the smoke from the burning
- 27:02Jaguar. So it was nothing more than an odd coincidence that these two events
- 27:07happened to take place in the same area. That is so sad I could
- 27:11see where Initially you'd go, Okay, wait a minute, is something connected
- 27:14here, But it's pretty clear that they're not. It's just two tragedies occurred
- 27:18on the same evening. But okay, what about back to this eyewitness and
- 27:22the blue Chevy pickup truck with chrome wheels that are flying away, right,
- 27:29it really kind of looks chaotic to someone enough for them to remember and mention
- 27:33it. We know the problems with eyewitnesses. I won't get started with it.
- 27:37But was anything ever able to be done? I know a blue Chevy
- 27:41doesn't really give you a whole lot of details, but was anything found from
- 27:47that truck? It doesn't sound like it. I haven't read anything. If
- 27:51they looked for tire tracks to like indicate if the pickup truck might have been
- 27:55near the scene where Ed's car was found. They obviously thought it was an
- 27:59important because they did reveal it on Unsolved Mystery several years later, and they
- 28:03thought it might be a vital clue. So maybe the witness shared some information
- 28:07to make them think that this truck had some connection to what happened. But
- 28:11then again, like at that point, the motorist is not going to know
- 28:15that someone has just been murdered in that field, So are you really going
- 28:18to distinctly remember a truck speeding away before you know the significance of what happened.
- 28:22It could be something where once he learned about Ed's death, he just
- 28:26thought back and says, oh, I remember seeing the speeding truck, So
- 28:29maybe it's significant to the case and that's why he came forward. Do we
- 28:33know anything about the trajectory of the gunshot? I know it doesn't look like
- 28:41they have that information. They never released it publicly. That's too bad,
- 28:45because I think you could see if somebody else was going to put a gun
- 28:48to his head and kill him, you're going to be looking at a certain
- 28:52trajectory, Whereas if somebody is going to end their own life, say with
- 28:56a rifle, you're going to get a very specific trajectory, don't you guys
- 29:02think? I think so, yeah, because I'm currently working on another case
- 29:06where the trajectory of the bullet and the victim could make a big difference in
- 29:10determining whether their death was murder or suicide. But it's also possible because things
- 29:15were spurt so badly with his body that maybe they just couldn't tell clearly in
- 29:19this particular case. Shortly after the discovery of Baker's body, his attorney,
- 29:26Wardbucy, received a letter from him which read, quote, mister Wardbucy,
- 29:32there have been threats on my life in the past month that I don't know
- 29:34how real they are. Just in case, I've written Sandy a letter that
- 29:38I want you to keep to give to her in case something should happen to
- 29:42me. I hope this isn't silly, but in these days and times,
- 29:47crazy things happen every day. Maybe I'm just reacting, but I've never had
- 29:52a threat before, and it just kind of gets to me. I guess
- 29:55you've had experience with clients before, so you understand if anything should happen.
- 30:00Please help Sandy and my kids all you can. You've always been a good
- 30:03friend and I know I can count on you. Thanks Ed Baker end quote.
- 30:08Indeed, Ed didn't close a second letter, which he asked us to
- 30:12give to Sandy, though the contents of the second letter have never been revealed
- 30:17publicly. WHOA, that's so heavy. It's heavy for both circumstances, like
- 30:25ooh, I just got chills if he was going to complete suicide. The
- 30:29fact that this man was able to sit back and say, Okay, I'm
- 30:33going to go ahead and set this up, so that's my family to be
- 30:37taking care of financially. I'm going to write my attorney letter. But then
- 30:40he sits there. I can't imagine what it would take to say goodbye to
- 30:44rebel or like, think about, you know, if I got to say
- 30:47goodbye to buddy, Like, what would you actually say? What would you
- 30:49put in something that's that important? So having to sit down and write something
- 30:53like that would be so overwhelming, and then to pretend to function afterwards if
- 30:59you knew you were going to complete suicide would be one of the most just
- 31:02bizarre, heavy things I think you could do in life. I don't even
- 31:07know where that's going, but that's heavy. And then imagine if this is
- 31:11legit. Imagine if he knows he got in with the wrong people, he
- 31:15has a massive debt to pay. There's only one option, and it's make
- 31:18a deal with the devil, and he knows the devil's incredibly dangerous, and
- 31:22this devil has basically told him you'll never be able to repay this debt.
- 31:26In fact, I'm just going to take your life for it. And he's
- 31:29having to prepare for like when is that going to happen to me? Also
- 31:33a horrific heavy burden to be carrying around. Yeah, we know that Ed
- 31:40mailed it to buc like a short time before his death, but it didn't
- 31:42arrive until after Ed was already dead. So you could construe this as a
- 31:47setup where if he was planning suicide, he's just planting the seeds by sending
- 31:51this final letter to say I want you to take care of my family because
- 31:55my life is in danger. But on the other hand, it could be
- 31:57authentic where he wasn't planning to kill himself, but he felt that, oh,
- 32:01I'm not long for this world. I may be murdered soon, so
- 32:05I better send this letter to my attorney to get my affairs in orders.
- 32:07So I know that war Busy we'll talk about it later, has his own
- 32:10ideas about what happened to Ed, but I cannot imagine his reaction getting that
- 32:15letter after finding out that this close friend of yours has just been killed under
- 32:19strange circumstances. So, following her husband's death, Sandy immediately started expressing her
- 32:25belief that her husband had been murdered. She suspected that he was the victim
- 32:30of a mafia hit because he owed a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars loan
- 32:32to some organized crime figures. Sandy claimed that six weeks before Ed was killed,
- 32:37she accompanied him on a trip to Miami, and while he never shared
- 32:40specific details about what was going on, Sandy suspected that the reason Ed went
- 32:45down there was to meet with these organized crime figures and try to arrange another
- 32:50way to pay off the loan, since he had already spent all the money.
- 32:53It would also turn out that Ed over fifty thousand dollars in gambling debts
- 32:58to at least two casinos in Las Figter Vegas. Investigators would soon discover that
- 33:01in the days prior to his death, Ed called his life insurance agents.
- 33:06He inquired about whether any of the policies he had taken out would still be
- 33:09paid to his family in the event of a suicide, and was told that
- 33:13at least one policy valued at five hundred thousand dollars when not two days after
- 33:19Ed's body was found, his twenty three year old son, Blake Edward Baker
- 33:22would be arrested and charged with making a terrorist threat after he allegedly phoned up
- 33:28Sandy and threatened to kill her if she did not pay him the two hundred
- 33:30thousand dollars he felt he was entitled to from his father's estate. In spite
- 33:36of this, Blake passed a polygraph when questioned about his father's death and was
- 33:39not considered to be a suspect. Yikes, that's heavy too. You have
- 33:44a dead man and the son's like, here we are, I'm going after
- 33:46wife number four. See what happens here. It's very bizarre, very bizarre
- 33:53that Ed calls and says, does suicide count on my policy? I mean,
- 34:00for me, when you're thinking about, like, oh I might be
- 34:04sick, I want to check and see if cancer is covered. I might
- 34:07you know, we're going on a big trip. I want to see if
- 34:10a plane crash is covered. But I don't need to know if suicide's covered
- 34:15because that's not in my repertoire of possibilities. So unless that is something that's
- 34:22crossed your mind and something that you think your family may need protection from and
- 34:27care for after your death. Why would you ask that question? Like,
- 34:31I have done quite a bit to get life in terms, especially after Buddy
- 34:36passed away. You go through a lot if you're trying to get your family
- 34:38protected, And I don't know if my policy covers that or what the stipulations
- 34:45are, like, I don't need to know that. A lot of times,
- 34:49after a certain number of years, they will pay out, but they
- 34:52won't do it in like the short term. I think there's like a suicide
- 34:53indemnity clause that a lot of them have, Like after five years it's fine
- 35:00and you would be paid out for that, but they don't want people who
- 35:01are intending to complete suicide to buy a policy and then you know, six
- 35:07months later they've got to pay out. Or wonder if in the eighties,
- 35:10Jules, do you think in the eighties it was too I'm unsure, but
- 35:15if this policy for five hundred thousand wouldn't pay out and then he ends up
- 35:20dead shortly thereafter, I believe that both things can be true. That he
- 35:23could be paranoid because he's under threat, But I think in a situation like
- 35:29that you might be looking to be able to control your own fate rather than
- 35:34waiting to be murdered or you know, something terrible done to you. If
- 35:37they're asking you questions, trying to figure something out, maybe trying to tell
- 35:42you that, like your loved one may take on your debt, that he
- 35:45may choose to exit this world on his own terms, and he wants to
- 35:49make sure his family is protected. Because it's just so strange that just before
- 35:52he dies he's asking insurance companies about suicide, because why else would he be
- 35:58concerned if he worried that they're going to stage it to look like a suicide
- 36:01if he's murdered. That just doesn't really sound plausible to me personally, Yeah,
- 36:07exactly. It just seems like too much of a coincidence, Like on
- 36:09its own, someone wanting to know if their policy will pay out in the
- 36:13event of a suicide. I could see someone calling them to ask that.
- 36:16But then a few days later he's found dead in a circumstance where there's ambiguity
- 36:22about whether his death was a homicide or a suicide. So you think he
- 36:25heard that from his insurance company and realized, well, if I kill myself,
- 36:29I have to do whatever I can to make it not look like suicide
- 36:32so that the policy will pay out. On November sixth, shortly before he
- 36:37went missing, Ed officially revised his will, removing Vanguard Group International from his
- 36:44life insurance policies and making his family the beneficiaries. According to his updated will,
- 36:50Sandy would receive five hundred thousand dollars and her daughter fifty thousand, while
- 36:54Ed's owned two daughters received two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars each and Blake
- 37:00one hundred and fifty thousand. His ex wife, Mary would receive five hundred
- 37:04thousand from an insurance policy that she had as collateral on a ten year alimony
- 37:08agreement, but one of the insurance carriers refused to pay out any death benefits
- 37:14since it could not be conclusively proven that Ed's death was not a suicide.
- 37:19Indeed, the fact that Edd inquired about whether these policies would pay out convince
- 37:23some of the investigators, as well as Ward Beaucy, that Ed could have
- 37:28taken his own life. The theory was bolstered by the fact that a gun
- 37:31had been found on the floorboard beneath Ed's feet, leading his speculation that he
- 37:37shot himself. While investigators found it unlikely that Ed would have been able to
- 37:40pour gasoline over his body and set himself on fire before pulling the trigger,
- 37:45they could not discount the possibility of Ed bringing an accomplice to the scene who
- 37:51poured the gasoline in and around the vehicle and then started the fire after Ed
- 37:55shot himself in order to make his death look like a homicide. Ward Beauty
- 38:00believed that when Ed revised his will and sent him the letter about taking care
- 38:04of his family, he already knew he was planning to kill himself in order
- 38:07to escape his financial and legal problem, so he intentionally sent Sandy out of
- 38:13town before he went through with his juicide in order to give her a plausible
- 38:16deniability. Sandy refused to accept the idea that Ed took his own life and
- 38:22hired her own independent private investigator, who concluded that his death was not a
- 38:28suicide. Sandy did agree to take a polygraph test, but the result seemed
- 38:32to indicate that she was withholding information. One month later, she agreed to
- 38:37take a second polygraph, but we were unable to find out how those results
- 38:42turned out, and Sandy eventually moved to Europe. So she fails the first
- 38:47polygraph, right, it says that she might be with holing information, but
- 38:51then she agrees while she's hired a private investigator to take a second polygraph.
- 38:57That's bizarre. You would think at some point she'd be consulting with her private
- 39:01investigator or trying to talk to an attorney or something somebody and they'd be like,
- 39:07wait a minute, the police said you failed a polygraph test. Don't
- 39:09go back in there, Like, do not talk to them anymore. They're
- 39:14setting you up to be roped into this case, It's very likely that Ed
- 39:20did send Sandy away. We know he did for her quote safety will to
- 39:24spare me from discovering a body or being in the immediate scene when I'm discovered
- 39:30as a deceased individual. That's protecting her too, right, getting her away
- 39:35from the scene, it's helping her not have any culpability. And he's already
- 39:39possibly set up this letter that'll be sent to her as well. So did
- 39:44she know what was going on? We don't know what their marriage was like.
- 39:47If I'm a young new bride, maybe she wasn't, maybe she was
- 39:52older than him. But I was a young new bride married to a man
- 39:54who claimed he was a multi millionaire even if he was having financial problems,
- 40:00he likely would have you fallen in love with Sandy under this pretense that he
- 40:05was going to provide her with the world and they were going to have these
- 40:07amazing moments together. If he was going to end his life and I was
- 40:12going to get his life insurance, like, would I be willing to go
- 40:15stay with my daughter and come home and have all of my worries gone and
- 40:19money? Possibly? Could I also have been so stressed and overwhelmed or not
- 40:24understood a question, failed at first polygraph Eve and tried to prove my innocence
- 40:30with the second one. Yeah. Also, it would not be smart legally,
- 40:34but I could see both sides of the coin here. Yeah. It's
- 40:37never been conclusively established if she took the second polygraph because I was unable to
- 40:42find that information. So it's possible that maybe her attorneys talked her out of
- 40:45doing it. But there has been speculation that the reason that she failed the
- 40:50first one and they thought she was withholding information is that even if she was
- 40:53not directly involved in Ed's death, maybe she knew that when I go to
- 40:58Austin and I'm away from town, and he's going to go kill himself and
- 41:00ensure that I'm taking care of financially, which is not something she would want
- 41:05to admit. But like I mentioned earlier, Sandy has not exactly been an
- 41:08advocate for Ed. She pretty much stayed out of the spotlight. Whereas Mary,
- 41:13his ex wife, was the one who appearing on unsaw mysteries doing interviews
- 41:16and seemed a lot more concerned about finding out what happened to him, whereas
- 41:21Sandy was off just living her life in Europe. So this could be an
- 41:24indication that she knew Ed's death was a suicide and all she cared about was
- 41:29living off the life insurance money. And it might have been that she didn't
- 41:32know exactly, but she might have strongly suspected it based on his actions.
- 41:37And I think if you're taking a polygraph and they're asking these questions about whether
- 41:42you knew he was going to end his own life, and you had strong
- 41:45suspicions based on behavior and evidence that could come up as you're withholding information,
- 41:50I would think and I mean they weren't married for that long at that point,
- 41:54were they not? Really? No, only a few years at most?
- 41:59Yeah, son know, like exactly like ash had said, maybe they
- 42:02were married under the pretense that, you know, he was this wealthy guy.
- 42:06And I don't know why we think that he's probably older than her.
- 42:08He might not be. They could be the same age, but it seems
- 42:12like that would have been something given his midlife crisis type behavior, he would
- 42:16have been dangling in front of her like a carrot. So when the walls
- 42:21started to come crashing down and she's going, WHOA, this isn't what I
- 42:27signed up for, and then realizing that he's in debt to these people that
- 42:30are potentially dangerous and this could be her life. I mean, we don't
- 42:36know how in love she was or she wasn't, but we do know like
- 42:39you'd mentioned that, she wasn't an advocate for finding out what happened to Ed,
- 42:45Well, she's staying out of the spotlight. She just wants results,
- 42:49the support the conclusion of murder or not being a suicide, potentially because it's
- 42:53financially advantageous for her to do so, because if it's found to be a
- 42:59suicide, then nobody he gets paid anything, correct or at least the one
- 43:02policy, right, Yeah, they didn't get other money paid out from other
- 43:06policies, but I think the most expensive one of the five hundred thousand dollars
- 43:08one was the one where you would not get it paid out if it was
- 43:12proven to be suicide. Well, even though the burned body found in the
- 43:15Jaguar was officially identified as Ed Baker, some people, including Ed's private investigator
- 43:22Bob Gail, had an additional theory about what might have happened to him.
- 43:25They wondered if perhaps the remains did not actually belong to Baker, and consider
- 43:30the possibility that he may have killed an unidentified victim before placing their body in
- 43:34the Jaguar and then setting fire to it in order to fake his own debt.
- 43:37He then escaped his troubles by fleeing the country and living off the money
- 43:42he had embezzled from his investors. Indeed, when Vanguard Group's International filed for
- 43:46bankruptcy following Baker's death, at least ten million dollars could not be accounted for.
- 43:52Whatever happened, The investigation soon hit a standstill, and even though the
- 43:55story was featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries in October of nineteen ninety two,
- 44:00it failed to bring the case any closer to a resolution. So after
- 44:04thirty eight years, the exact circumstances behind the death of Ed Baker are still
- 44:08unclear. So I guess you could say the path went chili. So when
- 44:14you say Robin, at at least ten million dollars couldn't be accounted for,
- 44:17even though we know there was a formal filing of bankruptcy and things like that.
- 44:22Is it something that he had simply embezzled. Do we think it's deeper
- 44:24with some kind of illegal trade that would have no record? Is it the
- 44:28gambling debts? Like, what's the assumption of where that ten million dollars would
- 44:31be? We really don't know. I mean, it's possible that he could
- 44:36have embezzled it and already spent it by that point so it was gone,
- 44:39or he could have given it to some criminal figures. But there has been
- 44:44speculation that maybe he put it in a secret bank account somewhere as his emergency
- 44:47fund, and that after he faked his death he just disappeared and lived off
- 44:52this money. We really don't know. Anyway. This is a pretty unique
- 44:58case, as you're not going to find two many mysteries about unexplained deaths in
- 45:00which there are three possible solutions homicide, suicide, or faking their own debt.
- 45:07Usually, when a deceased person is found inside the remains of a torchtout
- 45:10vehicle and they've been burned so badly that the remains only weighed thirty two pounds,
- 45:15you're not going to assume that a suicide took place, but in this
- 45:19case you can't completely discount that possibility. While the idea of Ed Baker faking
- 45:23his own death and disappearing to start a new life might seem unlikely, this
- 45:28is not the first case we've covered on this podcast in which someone has attempted
- 45:31to do this. You might be familiar with our episode about Clarence Roberts,
- 45:36who was also featured on Unsolved Mysteries, and you can see some parallels between
- 45:39Clarence and Ed Baker. Clarence had also got himself into serious financial trouble before
- 45:45his body was found inside a burning barn in what appeared to be a suicide,
- 45:49but it soon became obvious that the burned body found in the rubble did
- 45:52not belong to Clarence, and that he likely killed an unidentified vagrant in order
- 45:57to fake his own debt. Clarence is a pair. Plan was for his
- 46:00wife, Geneva, to collect on his life insurance policies and they could go
- 46:04off to live somewhere on the money. But since the insurance companies did not
- 46:07believe Clarence was dead, they refused to pay out, So Clarence was presumably
- 46:12forced to spend an entire decade in hiding before he died for real in another
- 46:16fire. We're going to talk more about this later on, but some suspected
- 46:21that Ed Baker was attempting a similar scheme with his wife. Do you remember
- 46:24when we covered that on the Pathway Chili? While say, okay, first
- 46:27of all, what kind of karma is that? Well, that is carbon
- 46:30It's possible that Clarence killed a poor, homeless person and sets their body on
- 46:36fire, is stuck, miserable and poor, waiting for his wife that's never
- 46:40going to come, and then he dies in a fire. Karma. Oh
- 46:46it's so great. That is seriously what I was thinking about when you talked
- 46:50about Sandy and eventually moves to Europe. I mean, listen, I've definitely
- 46:54moved to leave behind emotions and things like that, but I don't need to
- 47:00go to Europe, right like a hop and skip from Texas to Arkansas's fine,
- 47:05but you know Sandy goes to Europe after she fails a polygraph test,
- 47:08and we know that somebney was paid out to her or to somebody in the
- 47:14family. So is it possible that Ed was setting her up to meet him
- 47:19over in Europe. That's a heavy, heavy, elaborate, detailed scheme,
- 47:22But it's not unthinkable if we knew more about the probability of those dental records,
- 47:30Like what does a sixty point match mean? Does that mean that you
- 47:32know, it's an eighty percent probability that you can positively identify the body,
- 47:39or is it like these are sixty points that are on fifty percent of the
- 47:45population. It just is so vague, and until we have more context there,
- 47:49it's really hard to know. Now, I'll stay right up front that
- 47:53Robin does not believe at Baker faked his own death, and I happened to
- 47:58agree with him. They were able to make a pretty close match between Baker's
- 48:01dental records and what was left of the burn victim's teeth, as well as
- 48:06his jawbone, as I just mentioned. But the only reason that they could
- 48:09not say with absolute one hundred percent certainty that it was him was because it
- 48:15took place during a time period before DNA profiling became a common practice in criminal
- 48:21investigations. Interestingly enough, Unsolved Mysteries would later produce another segment about a man
- 48:27named John Rubis, who was the leader of a multi million dollar drug network
- 48:31in Puerto Rico. Much like the Baker case, Rubus's charred remains were found
- 48:37inside a burnt out car in a remote field in San Juan, and all
- 48:40they could use for identification was some loose teeth and a fragment of jawbone.
- 48:45However, there were a number of witnesses who had supposedly seen or talked to
- 48:50Rubus after he was killed and given his immense wealth and power, this led
- 48:54to speculation that he faked his own death and the remains in the vehicle belonged
- 48:59to someone else. However, DNA testing was eventually performed on the jaw fragment
- 49:04and it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the victim was Rubis.
- 49:07Maybe he pulled out his own teeth it was a dire jaw though, Yeah,
- 49:13probably not. No, I mean, if it was teeth then maybe,
- 49:15but hid entre job owed seems like much. Yeah, and I'd wager
- 49:21that if ed Baker's remains were exzuomed today and subject to DNA testing, the
- 49:25exact same thing would happen. Though I'm not sure this will ever be done,
- 49:30since I don't know if anyone is still actively working on this case,
- 49:32but I definitely think that we can rule out the entire fake death theory,
- 49:37and our next episode will focus on the debate between Baker's death being a homicide
- 49:42or a suicide. Let me just ask this question, because Ash, you
- 49:45might know, you've done a lot of homicide investigations with teeth. Isn't there
- 49:52not always the material that you can test for DNA? Like after many many
- 49:58years when they find bodies and stuff, they can't always test for DNA?
- 50:01Can they based on the material left and teeth, like, if there's enough
- 50:06or not? All right, give me one second, let me google this
- 50:07while you asked me directly, hold on your own death, and we want
- 50:15you to check for us if you pull out our teeth. Yeah, yeah,
- 50:20No, it's not always possible. It says that teeth are usually successful
- 50:24samples of DNA, but intact teeth and the proper parts of the teeth that
- 50:30contain the best possible quantities. The richest quantities of DNA not always available,
- 50:37So it depends on the decomposition of the corpses and the damage done to the
- 50:42teeth more so than decomposition. So if a shotgun had, you know,
- 50:45ruined all the teeth of all the yeah, it is possible that a tooth
- 50:51fragment may not have what's needed to make as good of a match. And
- 50:54of course, with odentology and bite marks and things like that, if you're
- 50:58trying to test with the jaw from that, we all know that that has
- 51:00been proven to be a subjective science. It's not as reliable. So there's
- 51:06a whole lot of problems when you're trying to rely on teeth in general in
- 51:08murder cases. Okay, I am definitely going to agree with you guys.
- 51:14I don't think Sandy got to reunite with Ed over in Europe. I definitely
- 51:17don't think that that's the case. But what I felt uneasy about this entire
- 51:22time was Ed in his own car, Ed inquiring about the suicide on his
- 51:28insurance policy, Ed writing that letter, Ed sending Sandy away, and Ed's
- 51:34shotgun missing and found on the floorboard or close to his body in his car.
- 51:39Again, if I was someone in the mafia going to make a hit
- 51:45on you, I don't know that I would take you out of the house,
- 51:50into the car to a remote place, shoot you, light the car
- 51:53on fire, and risk so many opportunities for people to see us in transport
- 51:58and in that field killing you. So it seems like his shotgun being present
- 52:05is a massive red flag. But those gas cans and the fire burning to
- 52:07that extent is really questionable because how did he set that fire and then also
- 52:15shoot himself those don't you know, It's very difficult to have both those happen,
- 52:20So that's bizarre. I think it's possible, and I think it's most
- 52:24likely a suicide. But I'm excited about the next episode because I need more
- 52:30facts to make a better conclusion. Yes, I think this would be a
- 52:34good time to bring it into part one. But join us next week as
- 52:37we present part two of our series about the Unexplained depth of Ed Baker.
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- 54:23until next time, be sure to bundle up because cold trails and chili pass
- 54:28call for warm clothing. Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy