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The Week That Was - May 27th 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and joining
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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. We've got the colp's
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Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothby, Good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good wedding listeners.
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Speaker 1: We've got Tom Morgan from the NT News.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Tom, Morning, Katie, morning all your listeners.
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Speaker 1: We've got Keziapuric, the independent member for Goida.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie. Morning to all the bush people.
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Speaker 1: And we've got Evil Alla, the well the Education Minister
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Speaker 1: and various other things, but the labor wrap this morning.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, and I'm recovering from COVID. I got out
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Speaker 5: of COVID isolation on Wednesday, so I sound croaky or
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Speaker 5: start to cough, and that's why to.
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Speaker 1: Marie, we've got her spaced away from her. She's got
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Speaker 1: her microphone to everybody listening now. There has been so
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Speaker 1: much happened throughout this week, and we might kick things off. Firstly,
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Speaker 1: I'll just let our listeners know if they haven't heard
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Speaker 1: in the local news, that there are some heavy delays
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Speaker 1: and road closures throughout the place this morning, particularly along
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Speaker 1: Tiger brenn And Drive following two separate incidents. So major
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Speaker 1: crash Investigators are reviewing the scene between Gurrimella and Boulevard
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Speaker 1: and also make Me Street after a woman was struck
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Speaker 1: down by a vehicle traveling inbound towards the city at
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Speaker 1: about four am. A twenty seven year old mail driver
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Speaker 1: has been arrested after running over a pedestrian and failing
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Speaker 1: to stop at the scene. Authorities have also asked motorists
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Speaker 1: stuck in traffic along the same roadway at Wishart to
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Speaker 1: be patient. I understand that things are now starting to
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Speaker 1: certainly clear up a little bit, but some yeah, some
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Speaker 1: pretty terrible news there from overnight and we'll keep a
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Speaker 1: close eye on those road incidents. Will also be catching
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Speaker 1: up with the Territory Police after ten o'clock this morning.
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Speaker 1: But as I said, it has been a very busy weekend.
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Speaker 1: Well Anthony Albanezi he was sworn in earlier this week
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Speaker 1: as Australia's thirty first Prime Minister as his incoming Labor
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Speaker 1: government takes over power after almost a decade of coalition rule.
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Speaker 1: It was a very interesting weekend, Kesier. You were betting on.
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Speaker 3: Lo can you see these big crocodile tears? Well you
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Speaker 3: got it wrong, didn't you. Well, I need a little
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Speaker 3: bit wrong. The corlition was doing all right in the beginning.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're still running a horse race. But Damian
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Speaker 6: Ryan with lingiarian. I know they haven't declared it, and
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Speaker 6: I hear that Labor is pretty confident. But I think
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Speaker 6: he's done an excellent job. It's just I don't think
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Speaker 6: he's really going to get there in the end. But
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Speaker 6: good on him, and good on anyone who really puts
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Speaker 6: their hand up and serious about, you know, trying to
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Speaker 6: get into public life.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: I think it's an enormous effort. Well, I think it's
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Speaker 1: an enormous effort to put your hand up to run
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Speaker 1: in politics. It can be a very thankless job in
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. So I think it's an enormous
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Speaker 1: effort to put your hand up. But it's certainly been
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Speaker 1: an interesting one. I know that the seat of Solomon,
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Speaker 1: I mean Tom, there was no swing against against Luke
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Speaker 1: Gosling whatsoever, despite the fact that I know that the
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Speaker 1: COLP did certainly run a race that was based largely
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Speaker 1: on some of the crime issues that we're seeing around
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Speaker 1: the territory. It was interesting and he is and is
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Speaker 1: a solid a solid member of Parliament. He does a
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Speaker 1: he works hard, he does a good job, and the
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Speaker 1: voters seemed to think exactly the same. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And it was surprising that some of the swings that
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Speaker 4: we saw toward labor where in areas that you know,
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Speaker 4: at the territory level the CLP win, So parts of
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Speaker 4: Palmerston Booth might be a bit concerned about that. Parts
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Speaker 4: of you know, the northern suburbs as well also saw
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Speaker 4: significant swings. I think the main lesson that the CLP
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Speaker 4: may have to take away from from this result is
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Speaker 4: that and this is what people inside labor were saying
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Speaker 4: before the election, was that voters seemed to be differentiating
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Speaker 4: between territory issues such as crime and federal issues which
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Speaker 4: were more you know, to do with health and education,
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Speaker 4: while they're also territory issues, but other issues that sort
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Speaker 4: of might have cost of living for instance, and national security,
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Speaker 4: and those are massive issues here in the territory.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the the bottom line is, though, how many
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Speaker 5: elections can live. Pinoki Ai was leader of the opposition
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Speaker 5: lose in the Northern Territory. She's lost the territory election
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Speaker 5: for the by election in Jinglely. She's lost the unlosable
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Speaker 5: by election in Daily and now this federal election, and
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Speaker 5: I think the CLP would be having a really good
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Speaker 5: hard look at these issues. Lea's comment I think it
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Speaker 5: was on Monday or Tuesday and said Tina McFarlane was inoffensive.
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Speaker 5: If that's an adjective that you use to describe your
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Speaker 5: candidate for the House of Reps. No, it was her
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Speaker 5: just said her candidate was a in offensive candidate.
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Speaker 3: And I think said.
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Speaker 5: Talking about it, but I mean that. But I think
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Speaker 5: that's what gets to the heart of this issue though,
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Speaker 5: is that. I mean, there was so much in fighting
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Speaker 5: if the CLP that the heart wasn't in the campaign
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Speaker 5: at all. You could feel that, you could feel that Labor, well,
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Speaker 5: for us who are involved with politics a lot, you
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Speaker 5: could feel that Luke was on a roll and we
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Speaker 5: saw that on polling day. I was in covid Ice,
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Speaker 5: but I was getting lots of text messages and the
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Speaker 5: messages from the people on the booths in Palmson was
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Speaker 5: that everybody was really positive, feeling really good about Labor,
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Speaker 5: coming up for a chat, wanting to take a how
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Speaker 5: to vote so and we saw that, you know, sixty
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Speaker 5: percent was a huge vote for Luke Goslin.
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Speaker 4: There has been some internal discussion Katie within the CLP
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Speaker 4: about you know, what to take away from this result,
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Speaker 4: and it sort of mirrors the wider debate that they're
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Speaker 4: having within the Liberal Party after you know, the Teals
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Speaker 4: and all that in Sydney and Melbourne. I've talked to
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Speaker 4: people who think that the party needs to move further
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Speaker 4: right because they saw you know, ten percent of their
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Speaker 4: vote peel away to the Liberal Democrats and Parmy United
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Speaker 4: and One Nation. There are also some people who say, oh,
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Speaker 4: we need to be more in the center and try
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Speaker 4: to fight labor. So there's still you know, elections. You know,
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Speaker 4: well they haven't called lingiari called Solomon, but the ramifications
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Speaker 4: for the CLP and the lesson they're going to take
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Speaker 4: away from it still not clear yet.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, I'll finally get to say something. Thank
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Speaker 2: you. You Look, Solomon was always going to be tough. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Luke is a likable guy, you know, and he has
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Speaker 2: had two terms to be able to get out and
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Speaker 2: about the community. So you know, we knew that was
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Speaker 2: going to be tough, and so we put our best
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Speaker 2: foot forward. We were really supportive of our candidate right
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Speaker 2: across Darwin and Palmeston being Tina of course, and we
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Speaker 2: can't forget that we actually don't have any CELP members
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Speaker 2: in the northern suburbs, so that was a bit of
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Speaker 2: a disadvantage. All of our members are below the Bear
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Speaker 2: of Maligne and that went to show that, you know,
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Speaker 2: Damien in Leiary has done a really good job. That
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Speaker 2: is the best result that the CELP has had in
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Speaker 2: thirty years plus. And don't forget Ja Center Price was
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Speaker 2: elected into the Senate.
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Speaker 5: Senate's not even don't even use the Senate. That's an
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Speaker 5: example because it's it's always two parties and that's that's
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Speaker 5: the way. If you didn't win, the said big.
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Speaker 2: There now and she'll be finding for territory.
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Speaker 5: Let's have a look also at Lingiari. So Labor got
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Speaker 5: seventy six percent of the vote in the Bush, so
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Speaker 5: we do know in the Bush people vote Labor, but
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Speaker 5: only about sixty percent of people actually turned out to vote.
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Speaker 5: So this is a big issue and I know Marian
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Speaker 5: scrimmin DAWs talked about that as well. The Australian Electoral
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Speaker 5: Commission need to step up, they need to do their job.
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Speaker 5: We need to make sure that every single territory and
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Speaker 5: has the opportunity to vote and that we haven't seen
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Speaker 5: that in the.
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Speaker 1: Social brick and they're not doing enough out in the
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Speaker 1: bush at the moment.
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Speaker 5: They're definitely not doing enough out in the bush being
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Speaker 5: that they need to be able to. And it's across
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Speaker 5: the board. It starts at schools as well and around education.
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Speaker 5: And I also heard a member in Western Sydney talking
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Speaker 5: about making sure that we don't we have less informal votes,
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Speaker 5: that we're educating young people about the importance of voting
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Speaker 5: and how to vote correctly as well. So it is
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Speaker 5: some big work that the Autralian Electoral Commission need to do.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of young people, I know that Tom you wrote
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Speaker 1: a story in the paper for Today and prominent former
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Speaker 1: COLP member Linda Fasildin has warned the party that they're
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Speaker 1: not listening to young people as inside is express alarm
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Speaker 1: it swings against them in blue ribbon seats. CLP, as
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Speaker 1: we know, did suffer that swing against them in Solomon.
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Speaker 1: You know, from the outside looking in, I've got to say, I,
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Speaker 1: you know, I actually think the party wing of the
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Speaker 1: COLP seemed to be doing a relatively good job in
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Speaker 1: terms of you know, keeping their policy together and keeping
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Speaker 1: things together and knowing what territorians care about. I feel
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Speaker 1: as though the issue that the CLP has got at
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Speaker 1: the moment is within the party, you know, and you've
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Speaker 1: got a situation where, you know, where you had the
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Speaker 1: president stand down towards the end of last year, You've
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Speaker 1: had prominent members then of the COLP party standing down
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Speaker 1: and leaving the party. And it's probably leaving a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, a lot of Conservative voters within the Northern
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Speaker 1: territory going what's going on?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were sort of attached from both sides. Really,
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Speaker 4: there's young people who are moving more toward labor toward
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Speaker 4: the Greens, and then you have the lifelong members leaving.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: Jeded Hansen was a vice president of the COLP. He
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Speaker 4: left and joined the Liberal Democrats, became a can at
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Speaker 4: it for them. You had kylie Be and i Andi
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Speaker 4: do the same. Sam McMahon obviously, I agree that the
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Speaker 4: link result for the COLP is more encouraging and I
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Speaker 4: think they're moving in the right direction there. I think
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Speaker 4: that the messaging in Darwin, though people have said they
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Speaker 4: need to be work on that, particularly younger voters, because
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of transient voters who like, you know,
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Speaker 4: younger people who move up to Darwin for several years,
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Speaker 4: you know, do get to vote. And I think the
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Speaker 4: COLP need to engage with them and talk with them
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Speaker 4: and try I'm going.
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Speaker 2: To call it.
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Speaker 3: I actually I think what they need to do as well.
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Speaker 1: And this is meant in no way, shape or form
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Speaker 1: as disrespectful towards Tena McFarlane, but we know that she
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Speaker 1: has run before for the COLP in other areas. I
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Speaker 1: actually think that the quality of candidates that they are
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Speaker 1: coming up with, or you know, the people that they
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Speaker 1: are choosing to run, needs to be more reflective of
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Speaker 1: the people that they've got in Parliament. And I actually
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Speaker 1: the only way that you're going to do that is
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Speaker 1: to realistically make the party a more attractive party to
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Speaker 1: be part of.
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Speaker 3: And I I don't know how you do that, but I.
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Speaker 1: Think Kisi, you've certainly been part of the party before
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Speaker 1: I and defected, which she can tell us.
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Speaker 6: Why common sense, I want to hang on to my seat.
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Speaker 6: I haven't read the paper today, so I'm not sure
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Speaker 6: exactly what Ninda Fasildine said, but if she claims that
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Speaker 6: the party is not in touch with young people, well.
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Speaker 3: Give me the evidence. Show me the evidence, show me
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Speaker 3: the facts.
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Speaker 6: And tell me what you've done over the twenty thirty
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Speaker 6: plus years you've been in the party with your husband,
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Speaker 6: Peter styles to connect with young people, Like it's easy
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Speaker 6: to sit on the outside of the ten and be
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Speaker 6: critical of those inside the tent. But what exactly what
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Speaker 6: are you talking about that the party can't connect with
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Speaker 6: young people. I know, and Labour's had young labor for
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Speaker 6: many years and I know it's successful. For my observations,
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Speaker 6: A lot of people gravitate that way for whatever reason,
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Speaker 6: I don't know, And the COLP does have a young
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Speaker 6: COLP movement and for that reason, it's not necessarily about
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Speaker 6: they haven't done a good job, I don't think. In
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Speaker 6: my view, I think it's more complicated than that. It's
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Speaker 6: a bit like why women don't want to go and
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Speaker 6: work in the mining industry because they don't doesn't matter
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Speaker 6: what kind of women, what culture, what diversity, And it's
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Speaker 6: like a lot of people don't want to get involved
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Speaker 6: with politics.
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Speaker 3: And it is hard to engage them. And you're quite correct,
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Speaker 3: but it does start, like a.
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Speaker 6: Lot of things in life, in the school system, getting
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Speaker 6: people engaged into watch democracy how do you change the laws?
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Speaker 6: Do you want to make a difference, Are you not
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Speaker 6: happy with what's happening in your community, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for those members who
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Speaker 2: did leave the party and chose to do that, and
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Speaker 2: I actually absolutely do better elsewhere. Fine, And you know
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Speaker 2: the reason why we're in the party and we choose
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Speaker 2: the type of politics that we do is because we
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Speaker 2: are like conservative when we're free in our speech. And
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Speaker 2: sometimes that doesn't go the way that we want it
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Speaker 2: to go, but it is just one person's opinion. And
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Speaker 2: I think Katie you said that the members of Parliament
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Speaker 2: with the CPR are out listening to people and we
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Speaker 2: do understand the concerns. So that is absolutely the case.
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Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of lessons to be
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Speaker 2: learned inelection, every single party learns them straight away and
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Speaker 2: we we jump on board and for me and the party,
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Speaker 2: it's onwards and uputs now. And I'd love to put
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Speaker 2: a call to action out there, like if there are anyone,
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Speaker 2: if anyone out there that has any ideas for any party,
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Speaker 2: then go and chat to them, like call is the.
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Speaker 3: Teal independence, A bunch of princesses. That's what I say. Easy,
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Speaker 3: you are an independent, but not a teal one. By
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Speaker 3: the sound make up your mind about your color. You're
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Speaker 3: either going to be red, yellow, or green, or blue
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Speaker 3: or black. But there's teal nonsense. Goodness me. Yes, I
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Speaker 3: mean it's a pretty color.
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Speaker 5: But but this is this is a classic example of
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Speaker 5: if you ignore that, it's to your parent. Absolutely, so
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Speaker 5: some amazing candidates. I think all of those that were
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Speaker 5: that voted in I mean the curtain across Melbourne. You
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Speaker 5: have exceptional people and they're women. So I'm very positive
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Speaker 5: about that. Did the woman exception and Perth I'm yes,
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Speaker 5: she did that and so amazing. Think if you.
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Speaker 3: Look at those I think it's ten or thirty independence.
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Speaker 6: They're white, middle to upper class, well educated, and all female.
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Speaker 3: So that in itself is sending a signal.
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Speaker 6: So I think some favor labor side of politics, some
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Speaker 6: favor the conservative side of politics.
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Speaker 3: It's not just one cohort.
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Speaker 5: That's why they till and.
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Speaker 2: Both labor and the liberals lost to those tals.
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Speaker 6: That's right, both did absolutely and I know just from
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Speaker 6: reading and observing the federal election a little bit up here,
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Speaker 6: but heavily down south where they've been affected by natural disasters, that.
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Speaker 3: The climate policies and the lack.
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Speaker 6: Of perceived lack of action on behalf of the Komorf government,
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Speaker 6: all of that stuff, because it's hurting those people physically,
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Speaker 6: emotionally and financially. So that I can see that the
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Speaker 6: issue of climate and the green agenda was much higher
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Speaker 6: up on the priority list for a lot of voters
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Speaker 6: down there. And I think those women found that or
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Speaker 6: work that out. With the backing of Simon Homes at
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Speaker 6: court On and his fabulous fortune, then that can a
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Speaker 6: long way to getting being successful and that's how they
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Speaker 6: came from.
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Speaker 2: And it affected us in the territory too, like we
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Speaker 2: did follow our national trend up here. So while there
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Speaker 2: was a bit of a push away from major parties
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Speaker 2: and that was really obvious throughout that election, that just
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Speaker 2: meant it did split those traditionally liberal conservative voters.
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Speaker 1: All people want is they want somebody who they feel
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Speaker 1: is listening to them, you know, no matter what party
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Speaker 1: it is, whether it's an independent, no matter who it is,
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Speaker 1: they want somebody who they feel is listening to them
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Speaker 1: and who is going to fight for them when it matters.
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Speaker 1: And they obviously felt that those two independents were going
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Speaker 1: to do that.
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Speaker 5: That listening is aligning values. That's what listening is about.
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Speaker 5: When you're talking to someone and somebody's talking back to
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Speaker 5: you and you're having those conversations. It's when you have
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Speaker 5: that alignment of values that people feel that they're listen
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Speaker 5: to and that's what it's about.
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Speaker 4: And there was the Greens candidate in Brisbane who went
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Speaker 4: around and knocked all knocked on ninety thousand doors in
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Speaker 4: the electricity ended up winning, which was Griffith, which is
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Speaker 4: the Labor seat. And Queensland voted heavily well in Green
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Speaker 4: for the Greens, which is unusual. But they've had floods, Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 4: so you can see that it's starting to really dawn
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Speaker 4: on people and it's starting to become a big election
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Speaker 4: issue back here instead of Nightcliff, which mind you, isn't
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Speaker 4: the most representative part of the northern territory, the Greens
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Speaker 4: outpoll the COLP. Now you know that might be something
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Speaker 4: that happens every election, but you know, if the Greens
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Speaker 4: vote is continuing to grow in the northern suburbs, Labor
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Speaker 4: should also be worried.
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Speaker 3: Well, well, we're going to take a very short break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix on O four nine's three
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Speaker 1: sixty It is the week that was. You are listening
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Speaker 1: to three sixty and on the show with us this morning,
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Speaker 1: Mary Claire boothby Tom Morgan, Kizier Puric and Eva Lawla
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Speaker 1: and well, we have been talking federal election, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't the only big news of the political week. We
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Speaker 1: also know that the new Chief Minister, Attasha Files announced
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Speaker 1: to a new ministry on Monday morning, and.
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Speaker 3: Some big shakeups.
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Speaker 1: I guess you'd say Nicole Madison losing the police portfolio,
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Speaker 1: Eva Laula, You've taken on treasurer education, You've still got
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Speaker 1: infrastructure planning and logistics and territory development. You're a busy lady.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we're very, very happy, but much too busy to forget.
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Speaker 5: You presume I'm the oldest person in cabinet, so I
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Speaker 5: think I'm the one that can say no, no, no,
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Speaker 5: because that's what treasurers always do. No no is your
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Speaker 5: favorite saying to anybody who comes up to see you.
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Speaker 5: But I'm only joking. No, I'm really excited about being
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Speaker 5: treasure Obviously that's a it's a challenge, but really exciting
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Speaker 5: time to be part of. And we have a labor
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Speaker 5: in federally, and I've had a brief conversation with Jim
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Speaker 5: Chalmers as well, but we do know that there are
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Speaker 5: tough times ahead. We have seen some changes around inflation.
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Speaker 5: We know the issues around labor shortages as well, but
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Speaker 5: some of those federal some of the solutions that we're
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Speaker 5: seeing that labor talked about around improving childcare so we
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Speaker 5: can get more women into the workforce, more training for
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Speaker 5: people so we can skill people up. We need to
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Speaker 5: see those things happening quickly, so I'll be pushing very
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Speaker 5: hard for the territory around that.
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Speaker 1: What about the public service pay freees? We're seeing the
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Speaker 1: cost of living go up. How long is this payfree
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Speaker 1: is going to stay in place?
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Speaker 5: Well, we've done the budget for this twelve months is
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Speaker 5: financial year's budget's been done, But obviously we'll see what
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Speaker 5: our financial position is. I'm always happy to keep looking
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Speaker 5: at that. The positive thing is the budget is in
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Speaker 5: a really good position, and we know that because there
17:25
Speaker 5: was not one question asked by the CLP in two
17:28
Speaker 5: weeks of sittings around the budget, So it must be
17:31
Speaker 5: a good budget. So it's a lot happening, but it
17:36
Speaker 5: should still at least get some questions around the budget.
17:38
Speaker 5: But it's positive, I mean really positive. I think Natasha
17:43
Speaker 5: has done a really good job around selecting ministers. I
17:46
Speaker 5: think it's a good match having police and youth together
17:49
Speaker 5: because it's both of those need to be able to
17:51
Speaker 5: sort the issues that we're seeing around crime and so
17:55
Speaker 5: I think Kate's hit the ground running with that. So
17:57
Speaker 5: I think that's very very positive as well. But as
18:01
Speaker 5: I said, education, I'm very happy to have education back
18:03
Speaker 5: and I know Tash here and people saying, yeah, it's
18:07
Speaker 5: a good match either. She's had a background in education,
18:10
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we're a good cabinet and i'd
18:13
Speaker 5: like to also. I think that's the great thing about
18:15
Speaker 5: Federal Labor. We've got some very very good people and
18:18
Speaker 5: we've seen the work that Elbow and Penny Wong have
18:21
Speaker 5: already done. Jim Chalmers will have Tanya pliversec. So it
18:26
Speaker 5: it's got a lot of depth federally and we'll have
18:28
Speaker 5: to work very closely with them to get the best
18:30
Speaker 5: for the territory. And that's how it works, Katie.
18:33
Speaker 2: But in Ta Labor has actually always blamed the coalition
18:35
Speaker 2: FEDS for not being able to deliver on their promises.
18:38
Speaker 2: So we are actually looking forward to seeing how you
18:41
Speaker 2: do work with me.
18:42
Speaker 5: That's not true, because it's the opposite. I've actually worked
18:45
Speaker 5: very well with Michael McCormack and Barnaby Joyce. We've got
18:49
Speaker 5: a huge amount seven point six billion dollars. We did
18:53
Speaker 5: so very well out of the federal budget so to
18:56
Speaker 5: get the terrace.
18:58
Speaker 1: But I have seen a situation in year gone by
19:00
Speaker 1: though where the Federal government has definitely been blamed when
19:04
Speaker 1: it comes to the GST carve up, and when we
19:06
Speaker 1: have seen, you know, issues with the Northern Territories budget,
19:10
Speaker 1: that GST share has been something that that's been an issue.
19:14
Speaker 1: I did note that when the budget was handed down
19:16
Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory government this time round, there wasn't
19:18
Speaker 1: a big thank you to the.
19:19
Speaker 3: FEDS for the GSD share.
19:23
Speaker 6: Key did I missary actually comes from us? Yeah, you know,
19:28
Speaker 6: and we are spending more because of the cost of
19:31
Speaker 6: living and for whatever else.
19:32
Speaker 3: Maybe the trade scheme still got some legacy into it,
19:36
Speaker 3: you know, So it's unlyfair.
19:37
Speaker 6: That we should get out, we should get our fair
19:39
Speaker 6: share of GST revenues.
19:41
Speaker 5: But as we know w A are the ones that
19:44
Speaker 5: took more of a share than horizontal fiscal equalization. But
19:47
Speaker 5: I can tell you I don't think Labour's going to
19:49
Speaker 5: be touching WS.
19:50
Speaker 1: No, they were pretty angry, but earlier in the week
19:52
Speaker 1: they were having a crack at the at the Victorian
19:54
Speaker 1: government and saying, well, if they want to bid on
19:56
Speaker 1: the was it the world game, have it a crack.
20:00
Speaker 5: But with I think it was nearly ten percent of
20:03
Speaker 5: the vote, or a swing of ten percent in Wa too, Labor,
20:06
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody's going to be touching.
20:07
Speaker 1: Well.
20:09
Speaker 4: Just going back to the point about GST, that was
20:11
Speaker 4: a very subtle thank you. It wasn't really out gonna
20:15
Speaker 4: want to take all the credit to bring the budget
20:17
Speaker 4: back into surplus in the next four years, but it was.
20:20
Speaker 2: In the budget documents treasurer.
20:22
Speaker 3: So no, no, no one, no, I've told you that.
20:24
Speaker 4: So the budget bottom line does improve over the next
20:27
Speaker 4: four years, yes, mostly because of increased GST revenues. So
20:31
Speaker 4: the FEDS are really the ones who are making Yeah.
20:33
Speaker 5: Now, the positive or the other optimistic thing about the
20:35
Speaker 5: budget is there are lots of big projects. So the
20:38
Speaker 5: barossa we're talking about that aren't included, So it was
20:41
Speaker 5: a conservative budget. And so yes, the GST, but also
20:45
Speaker 5: some of our big projects that we're going to start
20:47
Speaker 5: to see Beaterloo, Barossa, they weren't in there. And also
20:51
Speaker 5: the big dollars that we're talking around about Middle Arm
20:54
Speaker 5: and arrows, they weren't included either.
20:55
Speaker 1: So it was a conservative I are so are we
20:58
Speaker 1: going to now see some changes when you talk about
21:01
Speaker 1: you know about the Beaterloo and we know that the
21:03
Speaker 1: Coalition had flagged the Northern Territory as being a manufacturing
21:06
Speaker 1: hub and spoken about the way that that our gas
21:10
Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory is going to help other
21:12
Speaker 1: parts of Australia. Is that still going to be something
21:15
Speaker 1: that happens under a federal labor government.
21:20
Speaker 6: I don't think there should be any I don't think
21:24
Speaker 6: there should be any reason why it shouldn't be okay
21:27
Speaker 6: under any federal government. Having said that, whatever projects a
21:31
Speaker 6: plan for Middle Arm, one, if it's going to be
21:34
Speaker 6: any downstream processing, like you know, the fertilizer plants or
21:37
Speaker 6: plastic manufacturing or whatever that requires high energy consumption and
21:42
Speaker 6: you have to have that at a good price, otherwise
21:44
Speaker 6: it just won't be commercially viable. So getting the gas
21:48
Speaker 6: from Beatleloo is critical, not only because there's an abundance
21:51
Speaker 6: there as we know, hundreds of years worth to the
21:53
Speaker 6: Eastern Sea border whoever else wants it, but to use
21:56
Speaker 6: it in the territory. See, that's our biggest problem is
21:59
Speaker 6: we have great horses at the ground level and then
22:01
Speaker 6: we have terstory and we have nothing much in the
22:03
Speaker 6: middle in regards to the manufacturing industry except for gas
22:06
Speaker 6: plants at this point of time. So we need to
22:08
Speaker 6: diversify and we can only do that with major projects
22:11
Speaker 6: if we've got cheap power.
22:12
Speaker 4: Yes. The thing that I guess you can say about
22:16
Speaker 4: that though, is that you look at the new newly
22:18
Speaker 4: elected Senate which has a much bigger Greens Cross brand.
22:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what impact it'll have.
22:23
Speaker 4: Also, you know the Teals in the Lower House, Labor
22:25
Speaker 4: still hasn't technically won a majority yet. They've won seventy
22:28
Speaker 4: five according to the ABC, seventy five according to the
22:31
Speaker 4: Australian as well, so they haven't. It all comes down
22:33
Speaker 4: to the last few seats that they're counting at the moment.
22:37
Speaker 4: But if Labor don't win a majority, then they also
22:39
Speaker 4: need in the Lower House to negotiate with the Greens
22:41
Speaker 4: as well. Now, the Greens have made a lot of
22:43
Speaker 4: noise about the Beaterloo and about on shore and offshore gas,
22:47
Speaker 4: and you just have to wonder where the federal Labor
22:49
Speaker 4: in order to get some of its legislation passed, will
22:51
Speaker 4: have to do deals on those.
22:53
Speaker 1: Well.
22:53
Speaker 6: I think territory is getting a bit fed up with
22:55
Speaker 6: the federal government either interfering in our affairs when we
22:59
Speaker 6: don't want them to, or saying things like I'm not
23:02
Speaker 6: surprised got Morrison got hammered because it was picked up
23:05
Speaker 6: quite quite quickly and quite vocal in the territory where
23:07
Speaker 6: he said no, no youth agual pass under my worst.
23:10
Speaker 3: Type of thing.
23:11
Speaker 6: Now, I know that the labor federal government is more
23:14
Speaker 6: sympathetic to our issues here in the churchy in that regard.
23:16
Speaker 6: So if you get a group of people in the
23:18
Speaker 6: in the Senate or the Lower House who believe they
23:22
Speaker 6: know what's best for us and all terrortorids. I'm not
23:24
Speaker 6: talking about just us here, institute at all territories. You know,
23:26
Speaker 6: people out the Bilu way, Well, I would hope that
23:29
Speaker 6: the Labour stands up to the rite for us here
23:32
Speaker 6: in the teritory. Not some do good at tipping their
23:34
Speaker 6: Chai lata down in Melbourne or Sydney.
23:37
Speaker 3: About what goes on up here.
23:39
Speaker 2: Besides besides the being the lou project, which we know
23:41
Speaker 2: is going to have a lot of impact here, which
23:44
Speaker 2: is fantastic, the Labor government currently today hasn't delivered any
23:49
Speaker 2: other major projects, so you know, when is the next
23:52
Speaker 2: project going to actually finish? It's it's a real worry
23:55
Speaker 2: and we've got it. We've got it now. We've got
23:56
Speaker 2: a treasurer in Eva who has she in the phrase
24:00
Speaker 2: sometimes things go over, sometimes things go under, which.
24:03
Speaker 5: Is exactly correct.
24:04
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we've seen budget blowouts after budget blowout after
24:08
Speaker 2: you in the infrastructure space some projects.
24:10
Speaker 5: So so Murray Claire, I know you're reading your notes
24:13
Speaker 5: there and obviously you've been provided the lines by the SEALP,
24:16
Speaker 5: but let's be honest around that. This is what we
24:19
Speaker 5: absolutely factual that there are and anybody who's listening out there,
24:23
Speaker 5: anybody who's built a house, anybody who has built anything,
24:26
Speaker 5: absolutely understands that there are costs blowouts at times, particularly
24:30
Speaker 5: nowadays in the last few years that we've seen with COVID,
24:33
Speaker 5: So it's million difficult Blue rounds labor and there are variations,
24:38
Speaker 5: and there were variations. We could go back to all
24:40
Speaker 5: the projects in the four years of the SEALP. That's
24:42
Speaker 5: a fact. Those projects are run by Dipple. It's not
24:45
Speaker 5: run by me personally, Murray Claire. We have Dipple engineers
24:48
Speaker 5: who were for the treasure and I will be I
24:52
Speaker 5: will be outstanding treasure I can assure you, Murray Claire,
24:55
Speaker 5: and I'll be very tight around the budget because every
24:58
Speaker 5: decision has to be a quality decision around money. That's
25:00
Speaker 5: not that's taxpayers money, but do there is a fact
25:04
Speaker 5: that there are a number of talk.
25:05
Speaker 1: A little bit more about the fact that obviously we've
25:08
Speaker 1: got the new portfolios are in place.
25:11
Speaker 3: We also saw the new.
25:13
Speaker 1: Chief Minister, Natasha Files, do a bit of a trip
25:15
Speaker 1: around the Northern Territory.
25:17
Speaker 3: Is what we've seen in recent days.
25:18
Speaker 1: It does seem as though it's largely been you know,
25:21
Speaker 1: like a lot of people have been quite happy to
25:23
Speaker 1: see her in the likes of Catherine Tenant Creek, Alice Springs,
25:27
Speaker 1: and we know that she has admitted that the government
25:30
Speaker 1: does need to do more in the likes of Alice
25:32
Speaker 1: Springs to keep the community safe against property crime. It's
25:35
Speaker 1: something we've spoken about on this panel on so many
25:37
Speaker 1: occasions when it comes to crime, whether it's in Central Australia,
25:41
Speaker 1: whether it's in up here in the top End, no
25:43
Speaker 1: matter where it is. So it's look, I think that
25:47
Speaker 1: definitely it's a step in the right direction to have
25:50
Speaker 1: to have that happening, to see the Chief Minister in
25:53
Speaker 1: Alice with I believe with Kate Warden, the Minister for
25:56
Speaker 1: for there. It will police now I was going to
25:58
Speaker 1: say territory families, but police as well.
26:00
Speaker 4: And it needs to continue. It can't be just a
26:01
Speaker 4: one time sort of tour of the territory. It needs
26:03
Speaker 4: to be something that continues to happen. I know that
26:06
Speaker 4: under the previous Chief Minister, Michael Gunner, there was Community Cabinet,
26:09
Speaker 4: but those sorts of things you know, you sort of
26:12
Speaker 4: we didn't even know that were happening until after that happened.
26:15
Speaker 4: I think that there needs to be a lot more
26:17
Speaker 4: engaging with the average territory in one and that it
26:21
Speaker 4: can't be just the in dial and it has to
26:23
Speaker 4: be in Tenant Creek in Catherine.
26:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did so Community Cabinet and that's I mean,
26:27
Speaker 5: labor have done that for probably twenty years. But it
26:30
Speaker 5: is about going to those communities and focusing on the
26:33
Speaker 5: people in those communities who don't actually have an opportunity
26:36
Speaker 5: maybe to get to meet ministers. And the best thing
26:39
Speaker 5: is everybody's there at the same time, so you can
26:41
Speaker 5: have those multiple conversations and you can address the issues,
26:45
Speaker 5: and then you've also got that follow up that you
26:47
Speaker 5: can follow through with. So the community cabinets will continue,
26:51
Speaker 5: and as I said, I agree they are a really
26:53
Speaker 5: positive things.
26:53
Speaker 2: The community has been crying out for many, many years
26:56
Speaker 2: now for the Chief Minister to go to Alice Springs
26:58
Speaker 2: and other parts of the territory and it is taken
27:00
Speaker 2: and a leadership change for that to occur. Now she
27:03
Speaker 2: has come out and admitted that more needs to be done,
27:04
Speaker 2: which is what everyone has been saying for years. My
27:08
Speaker 2: fear is that this is just all talk, Like you
27:10
Speaker 2: can't just say a couple of words and then say
27:11
Speaker 2: you yet more needs to be done, like there actually
27:13
Speaker 2: needs to be something in place that's going to demonstrate
27:15
Speaker 2: that change. And just last week in Parliament showed that
27:19
Speaker 2: she isn't serious about that, Otherwise she would have supported
27:21
Speaker 2: the mandatory sentencing for assaults on workers as a minimum,
27:26
Speaker 2: and then we had the inquiry that we put up
27:28
Speaker 2: to try and look at police and the problems that
27:30
Speaker 2: they've got, and that was gagged, absolutely gagged. So what
27:33
Speaker 2: she says and what is actually being done is very
27:35
Speaker 2: different and territories know that now I knows it.
27:38
Speaker 1: Throughout the week, the opposition leader Lea finocchi Aio was
27:42
Speaker 1: pretty annoyed after she was unable to visit the Tenant
27:47
Speaker 1: Creek Police station. She'd put in a request, as I
27:51
Speaker 1: understand it, to be able to go into the Tenant
27:53
Speaker 1: Creek Police station and see the officers there.
27:55
Speaker 3: Now.
27:56
Speaker 1: The Minister for Police Foreign Emergency Services, Kate Warden is Seen,
28:00
Speaker 1: said that the police have got have busy jobs and
28:02
Speaker 1: visits from ministers and opposition members require planning. She said
28:06
Speaker 1: that it's her first week in the portfolio and she's
28:09
Speaker 1: in the process of visiting the major regional centers throughout
28:12
Speaker 1: the territory to meet with those police personnel to listen
28:15
Speaker 1: and learn, and that she can assure the leader of
28:17
Speaker 1: the Opposition that once I've completed these visits myself, I'll
28:20
Speaker 1: be happy to accommodate a request to visit the Northern
28:23
Speaker 1: territory police stations. But is this a situation where the
28:26
Speaker 1: opposition leader has sort of been shut out here eva
28:29
Speaker 1: is it acceptable?
28:30
Speaker 5: No, well it's not. She hasn't been shut out. So
28:33
Speaker 5: there's the Public Service Management Act that actually is very
28:36
Speaker 5: clear about opposition I mean and the public servants. I
28:41
Speaker 5: did notice that Leah did go to schools when she
28:44
Speaker 5: was in the Barclay she was at Canteen Creek I
28:46
Speaker 5: think in Epinara. But there is a process to go
28:49
Speaker 5: through and that happened when we're in opposition as well.
28:52
Speaker 5: And Kate Warden's priority was for her to go to
28:55
Speaker 5: those police stations through the center because she was traveling.
28:59
Speaker 5: Then she doesn't I wanted to become like a political
29:01
Speaker 5: football where one day you've got the minister, the next
29:04
Speaker 5: day you've got the opposition leader. The police are there
29:06
Speaker 5: to do their job, and she was the focus. She
29:09
Speaker 5: was the one that was doing her visits, which were
29:11
Speaker 5: important as a new minister to get across all the details.
29:14
Speaker 5: She was traveling with Michael Murphy, the deputy of the
29:16
Speaker 5: Assistant commission our deputy commissioner. That was what the focus was.
29:20
Speaker 5: She said no to Leah, that's what you can do.
29:22
Speaker 5: As a minister, you can say no. And Lea, though,
29:24
Speaker 5: instead of just accepting that with good grace, has made
29:27
Speaker 5: a big fuss about that she went to schools in
29:30
Speaker 5: the electorate. That's fine as well, not in her electorate.
29:33
Speaker 5: You know, as a local member she can go to
29:34
Speaker 5: schools in her electorate. She went to schools in Berkley region.
29:38
Speaker 5: So it's not saying no, it was about at that
29:41
Speaker 5: time it wasn't idea.
29:43
Speaker 1: I reckon that most people will be accepting of that
29:45
Speaker 1: if that is the situation, that if it is just
29:47
Speaker 1: on this occasion and not all the time past, she's.
29:50
Speaker 4: Always got her She's went back to Wooden yesterday and
29:53
Speaker 4: asked her about this because it sounded by she'd sort
29:56
Speaker 4: of said, oh, you know, Leah needs to wait her turn.
29:59
Speaker 4: It's my turn right now. And the statement that she
30:00
Speaker 4: got back to me was I have simply asked for
30:02
Speaker 4: a professional courtesy and clear air to allow me to
30:06
Speaker 4: conduct my visits first. Yes, and but why why does
30:10
Speaker 4: the minister get first DIBs on visiting police stay.
30:13
Speaker 5: So she's a minister, she also been innster and the
30:17
Speaker 5: minister she's a new minister and that's absolutely the priority
30:21
Speaker 5: of her, and it should be also the priority of
30:23
Speaker 5: police because she's the one that can absolutely make a
30:26
Speaker 5: difference to their lives and to the jobs that they do.
30:29
Speaker 5: So it needed to be and that's that's the prerogative
30:32
Speaker 5: when you're in government. You are in government, you have
30:34
Speaker 5: been elected, you have that. And the priority was that
30:38
Speaker 5: I know Lea goes to the Palmerston police station has
30:41
Speaker 5: often and so do you, Murray Claire.
30:43
Speaker 4: So it's not this is just there was a local
30:46
Speaker 4: member in the Barkley. He wasn't allowed to visit the
30:49
Speaker 4: Tenant Creek, so the focus station.
30:52
Speaker 3: And she came well.
30:55
Speaker 2: Accountable. Nothing else that avoiding the scrutin need you.
30:58
Speaker 5: Know that I don't want to know.
31:00
Speaker 2: I don't want the opposition here and what's going on I.
31:02
Speaker 3: Reckon at the moment.
31:03
Speaker 1: There's a lot of There is a lot of good
31:05
Speaker 1: will towards the new government in the sense that a
31:08
Speaker 1: lot of Territorians do really want to see the government
31:11
Speaker 1: do well, because let's be honest, if they do well,
31:13
Speaker 1: the whole of the Northern Territory will indeed prosper well.
31:16
Speaker 1: That's certainly the hope. So I think there is a
31:18
Speaker 1: lot of good will there at the moment.
31:19
Speaker 3: But let's be fair.
31:21
Speaker 1: You know, there's still a lot of big issues in
31:23
Speaker 1: the territory right now and that good will is going
31:25
Speaker 1: to disappear pretty quickly if we don't sort of see
31:29
Speaker 1: that open and transparent you know government that I think
31:32
Speaker 1: we all hope for back in twenty sixteen.
31:35
Speaker 2: And Whaturians are worrying about it as well, is that
31:38
Speaker 2: we have a Territory Families Minister who is now also
31:40
Speaker 2: the Police Minister. Are we going to see even further
31:42
Speaker 2: watering down of the youth justice system.
31:44
Speaker 1: Well, the way that it's been sold obviously is that
31:47
Speaker 1: there's going to be that there is going to be
31:49
Speaker 1: more sort of opportunity for the Police Minister.
31:52
Speaker 3: To be able to see in that coordination. But only
31:54
Speaker 3: time will tell us.
31:55
Speaker 2: Time you increase focus on offenders, which is what it
31:58
Speaker 2: is now, we need to have an increased because on victims.
32:01
Speaker 5: If the CLP think that they have to go to
32:03
Speaker 5: a police station to hear what's going on in the community,
32:06
Speaker 5: well I think that just shows that how narrow their
32:08
Speaker 5: view is. Back they should be out and about and
32:10
Speaker 5: if you walk down ten and Creek, if you walk
32:12
Speaker 5: down the street in tenn and Creek lear. You should
32:14
Speaker 5: be able to hear what's going on. You don't need
32:16
Speaker 5: to go to a police station to find out what's
32:17
Speaker 5: going on in ten Creek.
32:20
Speaker 4: I agree with with that, but I also think you know,
32:23
Speaker 4: the visit with knock also got Kno knocked back for
32:26
Speaker 4: a visit to borrow Lulla police station next week. Now
32:30
Speaker 4: didn't have visited that facility. Has has she any intention
32:33
Speaker 4: to visit that facility?
32:34
Speaker 5: I'm sure she has every intention to sell continue trend
32:38
Speaker 5: of like a scrutiny.
32:39
Speaker 4: I just think you should have let it go.
32:41
Speaker 5: Well well, as I said, if we keep she went
32:45
Speaker 5: to in the Berkley and so no it was and
32:51
Speaker 5: I mean I don't well there's probably lawrence because she
32:53
Speaker 5: was still probably minister at the time. But you know,
32:56
Speaker 5: you do need to get out and about whether you're
32:58
Speaker 5: in opposition, whether you're in go. We know that and
33:01
Speaker 5: generally that happens, and that's a fact. But as you said,
33:04
Speaker 5: everybody needs to be out listening. Everybody needs to be
33:07
Speaker 5: talking to their left right.
33:08
Speaker 2: Do we do that?
33:09
Speaker 1: Well?
33:11
Speaker 6: The only thing I'd say, in fairness to the police
33:14
Speaker 6: officers on the ground, as an independent I have to
33:16
Speaker 6: go through the minister's office to do something a bit
33:19
Speaker 6: different that's outside of my electric or to help someone
33:22
Speaker 6: rather than go to a direct public servant. Sometimes it's
33:25
Speaker 6: about protecting the public service and the people, because it's
33:28
Speaker 6: too easy for a member of Parliament to go directly
33:31
Speaker 6: to a public servant, or go directly to the boss
33:33
Speaker 6: of a police station or anywhere for that matter, and
33:35
Speaker 6: then go away and then put out a media statement
33:38
Speaker 6: and the pooral bugget that they've spoken to unbeknowing to them,
33:41
Speaker 6: gets caught, you know, or gets dropped in it or something.
33:44
Speaker 6: So it's apart from the process under the legislation. I mean,
33:48
Speaker 6: I can't comment on the politics of what appears to
33:50
Speaker 6: be happening here, but going through the minist's office is
33:54
Speaker 6: always the way that it's done in any of our
33:56
Speaker 6: jurisdictions in the country, and it's about protecting and ensuring
33:59
Speaker 6: the intent of the public service, whoever that whatever agency is,
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Speaker 6: will the police or schools or whatever, which is.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what happened here. And then it was to climb
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Speaker 2: after it had been accepted in the first instance, and
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Speaker 2: then it got rejected.
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Speaker 1: Well, look we're going to take a bit of a break, minister.
34:14
Speaker 1: We are going to take a bit of a break.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.
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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four nine.
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Speaker 1: It is just fifteen minutes away from ten o'clock and
34:24
Speaker 1: everybody's still talking there in the background. But we have
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Speaker 1: gotten the studio Mary clam boothby Tom Morgan, Kisi Apurican
34:31
Speaker 1: to Eva Laula, and we know that throughout the week. Well,
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Speaker 1: we do know that the newly appointed Racing Minister, Chancey
34:37
Speaker 1: Paik has committed to attending the twenty twenty two Day
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Speaker 1: and Cup Carnival.
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Speaker 3: Well you picked it, yes, said make it a good
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Speaker 3: racing equine minister, Yes you did.
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Speaker 1: Now it does come after the previous Racing Minister and
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Speaker 1: our Chief Minister Natasha Files scratch from the twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: one Do and Cup Carnival. But was this your story
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Speaker 1: throughout the way talk It wasn't. Yeah, Well I like
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Speaker 1: that line from Nathaniel.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was a good one.
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Speaker 1: Now. The Carnival is, of course the highlight of the
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Speaker 1: territory's sporting calendar when it comes to racing. It does
35:12
Speaker 1: also follow on from the fact that there was a
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Speaker 1: resignation of three dar And Turf Club board members throughout
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Speaker 1: the week. We do know that the club is still
35:20
Speaker 1: facing that having to pay back that twelve million dollars
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Speaker 1: for the Grandstand grant as well.
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Speaker 3: There is no doubt.
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Speaker 1: I think it'd have to say that the Turf Club.
35:30
Speaker 1: I think the Darwin Turf Club would have to be
35:32
Speaker 1: going through a pretty difficult time at the moment in
35:35
Speaker 1: terms of you know, the board members trying to rebuild
35:38
Speaker 1: that board, trying to rebuild things after those few years
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Speaker 1: of controversy.
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Speaker 2: This has been an absolute ongoing dodgy saga. And the
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Speaker 2: fact that the new Racing Minister has come out and
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Speaker 2: said that he would like to attend the Darwin Cup
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Speaker 2: Carnival unlike his predecessor. That's just words. That's not going
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Speaker 2: to change the fact that they approved twelve million dollars
35:58
Speaker 2: per grandstand, an absolute cloud of corruption.
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Speaker 6: Well let me go next there. I don't know why
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Speaker 6: the three board members have resigned, and clearly after what's
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Speaker 6: happened the last twelve months, Yes, there'll be a lot
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Speaker 6: of internal rebuilding, a lot of refocusing, you know, what's
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Speaker 6: their strategic direction, perhaps rebuilding relationships with government at a
36:21
Speaker 6: ministryal level and at senior bureaucrat level. But you know,
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Speaker 6: I'm a great supporter of things like the Turf Club,
36:29
Speaker 6: and I and a lot of my constituents had no
36:31
Speaker 6: issue with the money going to the Turf Club to
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Speaker 6: build the grandstand and the facility. It is how the
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Speaker 6: process was handled government, not by the bread Dixons of
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Speaker 6: this world, and internal of the turf club.
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Speaker 2: Racing industry is a very important industry for the territory,
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Speaker 2: that's right. And a lot of people horse.
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Speaker 6: Ownership, horse functions, as you know, I talk about it
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Speaker 6: quite often. You know, the equine industry is very valuable
36:53
Speaker 6: to the world, not only into the economy, but also
36:56
Speaker 6: to the community and to people and the general world
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Speaker 6: being and all that sort of stuff. And what I've
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Speaker 6: said about the whole deal, and I do I'm a
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Speaker 6: bit with you, Claire, Mary Claire, is that there are
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Speaker 6: still questions to be answered within government of how the
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Speaker 6: process went about or came about. I don't, for one,
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Speaker 6: don't think the money should be paid back at all. Legally,
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Speaker 6: they broke no laws. Show me where the laws were
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Speaker 6: actually broken in regards.
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Speaker 5: To there's an ICAQ inquiry that no.
37:22
Speaker 3: Come on let's look at that ICQ inquiry. But that
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Speaker 3: was flawed in itself.
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Speaker 6: Had you had a an employee of IKAK who was
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Speaker 6: commissioned to write a report for the turf club, who
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Speaker 6: effectively got sacked from writing the report, and then she
37:34
Speaker 6: was one of the co authors of the report into
37:37
Speaker 6: the IKAK and three of them have the bloody iy
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Speaker 6: cack in court. So you can't tell me.
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Speaker 1: That the report here because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: they got twelve million dollars to build that grandstandard still
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Speaker 1: being built and there are people in it. Even you
37:51
Speaker 1: are going to be holding the purse strings. Are you
37:53
Speaker 1: still expecting that twelve million get back legally?
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Speaker 3: In my view, and I've been told them they can.
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Speaker 4: They can reduce the funding that the government provis yes
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Speaker 4: each year.
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Speaker 6: So if they reduce the funding, then there'll be rezusi
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Speaker 6: of services and there'll be reduction.
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Speaker 3: In the contribution to the economy in the community.
38:08
Speaker 5: There's a number of there are so many factors in
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Speaker 5: this story. But first of all and foremost, there was
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Speaker 5: an IKQ investigation. And you know, you can say all
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Speaker 5: these things about the IKAQ investigation, but the IQAQ investigation
38:20
Speaker 5: was very clear about that the Northern Territory government gave
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Speaker 5: a grant. Northern Territory Government. I think probably every single
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Speaker 5: person in the Northern Territory over the last three or
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Speaker 5: four years has had some sort of grant from the
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Speaker 5: Northern Territory government, whether it's a tourism voucher, home improvement scheme,
38:32
Speaker 5: any of those. Northern Territory Government gives voucher, gives grants
38:37
Speaker 5: out all the time. So with Netball Association got sixteen
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Speaker 5: million to Builder Netball. The issue, as we know with
38:44
Speaker 5: the race course was around the tendering process. That's a fact.
38:47
Speaker 5: That's the issue. So the Northern Territory Government will seek
38:50
Speaker 5: to get that money returned, and as Treasurer obviously we
38:53
Speaker 5: want that to happen. There are processes around that. That
38:56
Speaker 5: all said. The turf club and has done very well.
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Speaker 5: That facility actually is an outstanding facility. I was there recently.
39:05
Speaker 5: There's three floors and it was a Saturday night. I
39:08
Speaker 5: was there at a wake, Jim Cooper's wake. On the
39:10
Speaker 5: top floor. There was a I think it was the
39:13
Speaker 5: Bank's Football Club had a presentation on the ground floor
39:16
Speaker 5: and there was a twenty first on the second floor.
39:18
Speaker 5: So that facility is being well used every weekend. So
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Speaker 5: the turf Club is making money out of that facility.
39:25
Speaker 5: I'm sure they're making money out of silks as well. So,
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Speaker 5: as I said, there is a process to go through
39:31
Speaker 5: and we'll do that.
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Speaker 1: He's doing everything that it was supposed to do, and
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Speaker 1: you know, and it got that twelve million dollar grant
39:37
Speaker 1: to do all of those things and it's now doing
39:38
Speaker 1: all of that quite well. I guess that's where a
39:41
Speaker 1: lot of people are now going. Well, hang on a second.
39:43
Speaker 1: The grandstands there. We didn't want that money spent in
39:45
Speaker 1: the first place, but it has been spent, so why
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Speaker 1: do they need to now pay it back?
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Speaker 5: Because that was the problem, was that the tendering process,
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Speaker 5: which the government had been assured had been legitimate and
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Speaker 5: that they had been done, the probity had been followed,
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Speaker 5: wasn't followed. And that's what the.
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Speaker 3: That's not that's not what the Turf Club X members say.
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Speaker 4: Well, there were in the report, there were you know
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Speaker 4: people who there were you know, the report found that
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Speaker 4: people very close to Michael Gunner were texting and you know,
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Speaker 4: involved in that candy process.
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Speaker 2: I guess Michael, the Turf Court.
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Speaker 4: That Michael Gunner was the one who took that report
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Speaker 4: into cabinet under his arm though, was it not? So
40:26
Speaker 4: what happens with every single grant that the anti government hands.
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Speaker 2: Out, that's and somebody else has been asked to pay
40:31
Speaker 2: back this money. So it's just no one has done.
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Speaker 5: But that's actually incorrect, Murray clear. People who get grants
40:38
Speaker 5: that don't actually equit them or don't do them properly
40:41
Speaker 5: are asked. And there's an example in Paris and around
40:44
Speaker 5: and I won't say the organization, but where there was
40:47
Speaker 5: money that wasn't used acquitted and wasn't used appropriately that
40:51
Speaker 5: they are being asked to pay money.
40:53
Speaker 1: It is.
40:53
Speaker 5: It does happen to other people and has happened forever
40:56
Speaker 5: around that if you don't if you get government money,
40:58
Speaker 5: you don't use it for what you said in your
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Speaker 5: grand application that you're going to use it for.
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Speaker 2: If you can't reports I just said before that it was.
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Speaker 5: Anyway I think we do.
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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about the impact that it is going
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Speaker 1: to have on the racing industry or do you think
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Speaker 1: that it's going to have an impact over the coming years.
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Speaker 1: That's what they've said is going to happen and it's
41:18
Speaker 1: clear to see at the moment, I think like even
41:20
Speaker 1: with the rebuilding of their board, I think what's unfortunately happened,
41:24
Speaker 1: you know, rightly or wrongly, is it's become a situation
41:27
Speaker 1: where a lot of people are probably pretty concerned about then,
41:30
Speaker 1: you know, being part of that board or or you know,
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Speaker 1: being part of the turf club.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think that that's right, you.
41:37
Speaker 1: Know, I do think that at the end of the day,
41:39
Speaker 1: we all want to see the racing industry do well
41:42
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory. We know that, you know that
41:44
Speaker 1: there is obviously the on flow to the economy if
41:47
Speaker 1: you have a great Darwin Cup Carnival.
41:49
Speaker 6: So it's a heart I think perhaps where we might
41:52
Speaker 6: get a bit of a bit of clear air is
41:55
Speaker 6: when the three court cases are concluded. From my memory,
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Speaker 6: Brett Dixon's comes up in July. I know mister Murriarty
42:07
Speaker 6: has been in court. I don't know if the judge
42:10
Speaker 6: is reserving a decision or where that's it. And I
42:11
Speaker 6: think there's another person who's got some case. So when
42:14
Speaker 6: those cases have been resolved one way or the other,
42:17
Speaker 6: then I think there'll be some air where you can say, right, oh,
42:20
Speaker 6: though I found that the judge found in this way,
42:22
Speaker 6: therefore it means this, or if the judge finds that way,
42:25
Speaker 6: it means that.
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Speaker 3: So I think it's been.
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Speaker 4: On the ICA elements of that report where the IKA
42:32
Speaker 4: had to apologize to the NTVU.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, there are questions.
42:36
Speaker 1: We'll take a very short break. We're running out of time.
42:38
Speaker 1: It's only seven minutes away from ten o'clock. You are
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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. Well,
42:44
Speaker 1: if you have just joined us, there's only a few
42:46
Speaker 1: minutes left to go of the week that was. We've
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Speaker 1: got evil Lawla Kesier Puric, Thomas Morgan and Marie Claire
42:51
Speaker 1: Boothby in the studio. And before we wrap up this morning,
42:54
Speaker 1: I've got a message here. How come they didn't make
42:57
Speaker 1: our Keysier the speaker she's the best still.
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Speaker 3: Not her mum says that text.
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Speaker 1: And another one here high Katie on a very sweet note.
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Speaker 1: Can you please ask Eva where Krispy Kreme is from?
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Speaker 5: Yah, Krispy krem No. I think the latest that I
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Speaker 5: heard was the issues around traffic, because where they want
43:24
Speaker 5: to put it on the corner as you turn into Gateway,
43:28
Speaker 5: there's issues around making so they're dealing with transport issues
43:32
Speaker 5: around because you've got those lanes that come over the
43:35
Speaker 5: rise and then everybody, as we know it is parmesan.
43:38
Speaker 5: You have to move across three or four lanes and
43:40
Speaker 5: so make I think Krispy Kreme want to have an
43:43
Speaker 5: entrance that comes off Roystonia where the traffic people are
43:46
Speaker 5: saying you would have to turn in, go back through,
43:49
Speaker 5: go around the roundabout that's in the car park area
43:52
Speaker 5: or in the I'm not explaining this really clearly, but
43:55
Speaker 5: you'd have to drive into gateway and enter Krispy Krem.
43:57
Speaker 5: Krispy Krem a wanting it to come straight off royst On.
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Speaker 5: So I think that's the last I heard was the
44:02
Speaker 5: discussions are ongoing around access the economy, talk to edit
44:07
Speaker 5: to the impact.
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Speaker 4: You know, the KFC on Bagot Road queuing up a
44:11
Speaker 4: longlong bag It road.
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Speaker 1: Had been well, let's hope that they're able to get
44:17
Speaker 1: it sorted.
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Speaker 3: Because I love a good time, yes, so do we all.
44:19
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, there is I came.
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Speaker 6: Back from Sydney a couple of weeks ago and the
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Speaker 6: man there was a man on the aeroplane. He will
44:29
Speaker 6: a couple of people in front of me and he
44:31
Speaker 6: had this big bloody bag with these huge boxes of
44:33
Speaker 6: Chrispy Krean things.
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Speaker 3: I thought you're crazy.
44:40
Speaker 4: Stores at the airport departure selling Krispy Krean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pure.
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Speaker 2: Benefits from that by employing them here and then the.
44:48
Speaker 1: Money comes very true. Well that's it for us this morning.
44:51
Speaker 1: Thank you all so very much for your company. Mary
44:53
Speaker 1: Clare Booby from the COLP, thank you.
44:55
Speaker 2: And I want to quickly say that on Sunday morning
44:57
Speaker 2: is the r s p c as Oh yes, million
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Speaker 2: walk and we'll be there doing bacon, egs and sausages.
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Speaker 2: So please your fairy friends. I'm at the Potanical Gardens awesome.
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Speaker 1: Thomas Morgan from the NT News, thank you, thank you
45:09
Speaker 1: very much. And Kesier Puric, thank you. You are independent
45:13
Speaker 1: this morning.
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Speaker 3: Thank you Katie, and well.
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Speaker 1: Evil Lawler the labor member, thank you so much for your.
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Speaker 3: Time this morning.
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Speaker 5: I'll know I'll bit the Pumson Market tonight. I'm sure
45:21
Speaker 5: Markley will be there.
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Speaker 3: We will see there busy one, no doubt.
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Speaker 6: Can I just put in one plug just so, just
45:27
Speaker 6: just to put it in people's minds, and I will
45:29
Speaker 6: come back on the nineteenth of June, which is a Sunday.
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Speaker 3: I'm having my garden fair at my home, my property. Okay,
45:36
Speaker 3: hang on, are you going to be wearing clothes naked? Finished?
45:42
Speaker 1: That was?
45:44
Speaker 3: Can't you see my pants? Just making sure? But the
45:48
Speaker 3: animals will be naked.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's a garden fair and we're raising funds
45:52
Speaker 6: for wildcare, so there's going to be pony rides, old
45:54
Speaker 6: fire trucks, lots of animals to pat, lots of baby goats,
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Speaker 6: baby sheep, donkey.
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Speaker 3: It's a lovely family thing. Plus you can look at
46:02
Speaker 3: the garden that we plant c Wa setting jams chut fantastic,
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Speaker 3: So I'll bring more. But nineteenth Dune watches us Sunday people. Well,
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Speaker 3: thank you all so very much for your time.
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Speaker 1: You have been listening to the week that was right
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Speaker 1: here on Mix one oh four nine