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CMS LIVE 9/19/26: Could This Be The Wildest Classic Metal Show "Off Show" Yet? · Classic Metal Show

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm Burton C. Bell, and you are watching CMS TV.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: And what is going on, everybody?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: It is the Classic Metal Show.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: I am Chris Akin.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's not Neely over there.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Over there.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Not Neely.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: That is not Neely.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: I know this is going to shock everybody, but Neely is out with Dokken tonight.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's a stunner.
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  SPEAKER_01: But joining me here tonight, we are going to do a very different off-show thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how long it's going to be.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what we're going to do and talk about exactly, but we'll figure it out.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: We will figure it out with my old podcasting partner from...
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  SPEAKER_01: God, eons ago.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the grasshopper that picked the pebble out of my hand and took it,
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: he is the creator of the Heart of the Matter podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: He also has done Heavy Galaxy and Aftershocks Without Me and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is the great Matt Hartnett.
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  SPEAKER_01: Matt, how are you, brother?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's going on, Mr. Akin, man?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm honored to be here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for inviting me on, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pleasure, obviously, to fill in for Neely.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, man, look forward to shooting the shit for as long as we can tonight, for sure.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's going to be fun.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: And just to be sure that it is fun, I definitely lined up some guests.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coming up in about an hour from now,
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  SPEAKER_01: we will have the bassist of the Galactic Cowboys, Monty Connor.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: He'll be joining us.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have a new album.
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: What did I say?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did I say Monty Conner?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that would be something all by itself.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Geez, you can tell the gummy's already hitting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Monty Colvin will be here from the Galactic Cowboys.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to be talking about their new album, What Planet Are You From?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: God, my brain is already fucked.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you got it.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: My brain is already fucked.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he'll be here to talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then a little later in the show,
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  SPEAKER_01: the mighty Jim Florentine,
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  SPEAKER_01: the guy that holds the number one comedy album in the country right now,
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  SPEAKER_01: will be joining us as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to jump on as soon as he gets home from his comedy gig tonight.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we will be chatting with him.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has agreed to take questions from the chat as well, so start lining them up.
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  SPEAKER_01: As I told Hardy Boy on Locals, no, you cannot ask him how Robin Quiver's pussy tastes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Off the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just off the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: But pretty much anything else is going to be fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be good.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Matt, let's get into this, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell everybody before we even get into subjects and topics and whatever,
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  SPEAKER_01: tell everybody about Heart of the Matter and where they can go to find that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's get the pluggy plugs out of the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Heartothematter.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: H-A-R-T-O, The Matter.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Look at me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did I take Gumby's before I came here?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, heartothematter.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's basically,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: when we did Aftershocks,
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  SPEAKER_02: obviously,
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  SPEAKER_02: me and you basically did like an interview meal, as we used to call it, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We just interviewed as many people as we could from musicians and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then obviously I got into the whole stoner thing and did the Heavy Galaxy with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Heart of the Matters is a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not as many musicians.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of discussions.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to talk Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what's going on in the industry right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, so it's a bit of a mix we got going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm kind of revamping it right now, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, just got a new YouTube page and got the site updated and everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So really October is when it's going to kind of really kick off.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we're going to start doing a lot more stuff on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hoping to have you on, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: And talking about,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, some discussions with albums and so forth, metal albums, classic ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I told you I'm really just,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I did a lot of the new music stuff on Aftershocks after we kind of separated
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  SPEAKER_02: from there.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm like most people now these days, dude, I'm so nostalgic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just the new stuff that's coming out doesn't move me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't really care about promoting new bands anymore, to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: just a lot of discussions about classic stuff,
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  SPEAKER_02: classic records, and doing some deep dives into those and everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that's what's going on with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do have...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm in the works working on the second film.
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  SPEAKER_02: I did the film Lifers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Working on the second one,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I was telling you about is,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a pain in the ass doing this thing, getting everybody lined up and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us how much you love doing these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hate talking to bands and I hate doing these documentaries, but I'm doing another one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that's what it is, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that's why I stopped talking to bands is after doing these films.
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  SPEAKER_02: Doing interviews is one thing when you spend an hour with them or a half hour,
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  SPEAKER_02: even though most of the time that we did,
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  SPEAKER_02: but to have to track them down,
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  SPEAKER_02: and you spend money going to travel to get to these guys,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then you get there,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then they don't have their shit lined up, and it's just...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm definitely jaded.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I've told you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm jaded from it,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I'm going to see it through at least this next film and then go from there
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  SPEAKER_02: and...
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: like I said,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say who's going to be in it yet because it's been taking some twists
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  SPEAKER_02: and turns and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we do got some guys that I've interviewed and everything for it that,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: a lot of the I think some of the classic metal show fans would enjoy and have heard
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  SPEAKER_02: of before.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, they're very well known to them.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, we'll see what happens with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's it's it's a process, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's kind of getting,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think what it is just quickly,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember,
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  SPEAKER_02: we grew up, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: if someone wanted to be in a documentary,
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  SPEAKER_02: people would be lining up for these kind of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: But now because you got YouTube and everyone's got cameras everywhere
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  SPEAKER_02: and everyone's faces, I think they're just kind of burnt out on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, well, what are you using this for?
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  SPEAKER_02: They get a little skeptical.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, dude, I'm just promoting this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just pushing this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if they don't trust you sometimes,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's like they don't really give you what you need to make the film good.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: so that's kind of what it is,
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  SPEAKER_02: is just, you know, I don't want to just put out anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's got to have, I got to have a story to tell.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can't just give me an interview and I'm going to make shit out of nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: So, but yeah, no, I mean, I do love enjoying the film.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do enjoy doing the filming and I'm hoping to do more.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just,
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess I got to get maybe my brain a little better too and just accept it
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  SPEAKER_02: and just kind of suck it up, you know, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, the thing is,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the fans don't really know it,
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  SPEAKER_01: but once you get firmly planted behind the curtain,
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  SPEAKER_01: once you get past the excitement of,
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  SPEAKER_01: holy shit, I'm meeting this guy or I'm sitting on the bus with this guy or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once you get past that and it becomes, I got to do a good interview.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to do a good piece.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to get this angle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once you start...
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  SPEAKER_01: Doing it as work instead,
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  SPEAKER_01: you really find out real quick the unfortunate truth about bands,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is there's usually one smart guy and a bunch of dummies.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's usually how it works.
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  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_01: the one thing that the smart guy doesn't always do is carry the load of the work.
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  SPEAKER_01: The smart guy is smart enough to say, nah, you go ahead and do the interview.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you get some fucking dumb fuck and he's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't know, you want me to be where, when, huh?
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, man, you nailed it, dude.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we used to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, we used to do these interviews with some of these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how it was, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We would sit there and afterwards we would just be like, what the fuck was that, man?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like,
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  SPEAKER_02: why would you send that person from your band to promote what you're putting out?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of all people, someone who could talk and really can't answer anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as we said,
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  SPEAKER_02: one thing we always say, right,
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  SPEAKER_02: is doing a lot of these interviews,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, and you've done obviously a gazillion of them over the years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is you realize why some bands didn't, quote unquote, make it or go farther than they did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just staring us right in the face when we interview some of these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the decision making.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just unbelievable, like you said.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I'm not to be all like an asshole and talk shit about these guys.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I think you said something one time.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: If these guys didn't have this little bit of talent that they were born with and given.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'd be working at like, you know, changing tires at Walmart or something.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: Or Jiffy Lube or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: So not to be a dick,
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: but I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's kind of it is really the reality of it, you know, and so it's not.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the other thing was like.
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  SPEAKER_02: Our great, you know, late friend Bob Melbandy, he did all those films.
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to think,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I think we talked about this,
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to always be like, God, he has a lot of the same guys in the films.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now I know why he did, because he knew who he can get that could do a good job.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that would obviously follow through.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I see, I also saw what he did when he did the Bay Area Godfathers.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: When he came up here to the Bay Area, you know, he wasn't from up here.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was an L.A. guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was a much different story.
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  SPEAKER_02: These guys didn't know him as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: They knew him, but they didn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: They didn't know him as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: They didn't trust him as much and they didn't really promote his stuff as much
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  SPEAKER_02: and give him as much credit and help him out.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I do understand why in music people have their inner circle type of thing
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: and they stick to that and they don't really branch Hey, metalheads!
• 9:57
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• 10:11
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• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And, dude,
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: it's funny because I know when I do interviews,
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: and I do nine zillion interviews a month,
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I do this,
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: and this is such a pro move on my part,
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm not trying to pat myself on the back,
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: but I do think it is a pro move that I do that most don't do.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: If I have an artist that is established and successful, Rob Halford, I'll just throw a name.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to schedule longer than the 30 minutes.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't have to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know for a fact he's going to show up at 10 o'clock if that's when it's scheduled,
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: not 10.06, and he's going to need to leave exactly at 10.30.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I...
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Get myself gunned and professionally ready for that.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: But when I'm talking to somebody that's 30 years in the business
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  SPEAKER_01: and they might have had a sliver of success somewhere,
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  SPEAKER_01: but for the most part,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're remembered for that one song on the first album and they're still living off
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  SPEAKER_01: of that.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: I always leave an extra, like I don't back to back.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't go with something back to back because I know they're going to be late
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  SPEAKER_01: if they show it all.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: If they show it all.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: If they show it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And eight of ten times, they fuck it up.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Eight of ten.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's so crazy.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I say it jokingly, but you've done enough interviews with me to know this is true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interviews in general, 75% complete rate.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of every four does not show up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or they reschedule a couple of times or, you know, late.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: So sometimes it's like, well,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're not going to,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to sit here and wait,
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: you know, for this half, you know, a C-level musician.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, sit there, wait a half hour for him to show up.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, we're just not going to do that.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like,
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I mean,
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: you know, listen,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're not small fry kind of guys where we're just these little,
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: you know, like you said, little fanboys want to interview these guys.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, look, you're trying to push your product, your work out.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just do the due diligence.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm not going to sit here.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: If it's a bigger name, of course, you're going to sit there and you'll wait a while.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, well, I just got to suck it up and deal with it.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: If Rob Halford's coming on, I'll wait an hour, you know, to see if he shows.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: But if it's like a C-level,
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know, artist, I mean, yeah, I'm not going to sit there and wait all day.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, no.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you have the publicist like, oh, well,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: one guy,
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: I won't say his name, but I remember that got rescheduled like two or three times.
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  SPEAKER_02: One time was like, oh, something.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, not that guy.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fuck that guy, dude.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's a whole nother ballgame.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's Darren Miller, you know.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, from CKY, yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: From CKY, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the second time he didn't show, I was like, screw this guy.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then I remember the publicist was like, well, no, he had to go to the hospital.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like, oh, shut up.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Shut up.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: so I did it,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: and of course we got to sometimes play the game with the publicist in order
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: to get some of the better interviews.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, Darren's a good interview too.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's a, you know.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a good cult following so people will watch the video.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it was worth, okay, doing it a third time, and then he finally showed up.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: And we had a really good discussion and everything.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, it's not just put on your screen here, your camera, and they show up.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, sometimes, man, it's a total headache of rescheduling.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a pain in the ass a lot.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times,
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: because I get much shit,
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: as you can imagine,
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: from people be like, well, how come you're interviewing this band?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Bullshit band from Sweden that nobody's ever heard of before.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there's reasons.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the reasons are because that same publicist of that bullshit band
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: from Sweden is also representing Steve Vai.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: So if I say, no, I don't want to do your little shitty band, I'm not doing you a favor.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: So why will they do me a favor when Eddie Trunk and what's her name?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Metal Jackie.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: Heavy Metal Jackie or,
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: the bigger shows, you know, we'll get those interviews and we'll get more views.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I have been super blessed that all the publicists know that I'm super professional at doing it.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: The artists generally like me doing it.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And because of that,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: a lot of times I'll end up with the only podcast interview with Mick Mars or the,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the bigger stuff that I do get.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Grandmaster Flash coming next week.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Interviewed fucking Grandmaster Flash, the inventor of rap.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you kidding?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but how am I getting it?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even cover rap on any of my shows.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty interesting.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: But the publicist knows me and because she knows me and she knows I'll do a good job
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I've always done her well, you know, she hooks me up.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you're blessed, but you're also, you worked your ass off to get to that point, man.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, it's like you said, you have to do great examples.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: We always laugh about one of the,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think, the silliest and funniest interviews you ever did was War Kings, right?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, obviously.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: you didn't do that one because it's like,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: oh, I love this band and my fans are all going to dig this.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: That was one that you did, obviously, for the publicist.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it became pretty much, I think, one of your more iconic and memorable
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: interviews.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if anyone's ever seen it,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: but if anyone has, you should go check out Chris' interview in War Kings.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty hilarious.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: That was like, what, 2020?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's explain that real quick.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: War Kings are this band from somewhere other than here.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Germany, Sweden, somewhere.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sweden, yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: And didn't speak a whole ton of great English,
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: but they insisted,
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: they're one of the mask,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: they're a mask band,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: and they have like the whole skull mask thing going on,
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: and they're like a power metal band.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: And they call themselves, you know, the reincarnation of the Vikings or something.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I did the whole interview with Viking questions.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: I almost asked them no music questions at all.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I asked them, like, do they watch the show Vikings and think of it as home movies?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was just asking goofy, stupid shit.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it was really funny.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: And even the publicist thought it was kind of funny.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: They were annoyed with me.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: The publicist was like, really, dude?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, what do you want?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Look at what you gave me.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: What do you want?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: The guy shows up in this silly outfit.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: What are you supposed to ask this guy?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: You can't take him seriously.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's what we were laughing about.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: I remember because I think I was supposed to do that with you,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: but something came up and I couldn't do it.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm glad I did.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad you got to do it by yourself.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I had similar questions because I think we talked about like,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: let's just freaking let's
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: just go with this.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, exactly.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you get to dress up like that and you're going to act like you're some,
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: you know, old working of his.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: I forget what his name was,
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: but it's like, well, then we're going to roll with what your whole shtick is.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to roll with it, man.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, so, yeah.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's fun.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, those can be fun.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they do cause issues.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: that's really the interesting thing about it is when I roll with it sometimes,
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: I go a little far.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And even if you go back all the way into the old days of the CMS and you listen
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: to some of those interviews,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: I used to get on,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: especially with the guys that didn't speak good English,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: there's a litany of these things out there.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Where I would just start asking, I would just start saying words that didn't make any sense.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I would throw in a word or two that I knew that they knew.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say something like,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, well,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: when you're touring in Europe,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: does the sun shine from the north because the east is wet in the west?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they'd be like, yeah, we tour Europe.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep, yep.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I would just make up horse shit and Neely would laugh his fuck.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: I would hear him laughing in the back and I would be constantly typing, texting him.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, mute your fucking microphone because I wanted to keep doing it.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then Neely would hit him with a serious question.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Then I'd come right back with another just goofball question.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I used to do that a whole lot more.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now I have a lot more, I don't know.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Respect for these guys,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: because yeah, well,
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: it's because, you know, in today's world, these guys ain't making any money anyway.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I want to try and help a little more than just making fun.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the War Kings guy, he definitely, he definitely needed a beating.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: He did.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: You gave it to him.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: You definitely gave it to him, man.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said,
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: one of the more memorable,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: not for obviously, you've done these amazing interviews over the years.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, Mick Mars and so forth.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can go down the list.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: But that was just one that was so off the wall and different
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: that that's definitely up there for one of my favorites you ever did.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: it was fun.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you a favorite that I did, which was this week.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I know you watched it, the Burton Bell interview.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed talking to Bert.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't talked to him in a long time.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: it had been,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: God, I think the last time I actually chatted with him might have been 2010.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it had been a really long time since I had talked to him.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And we just had a really good conversation and we just kind of...
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Shot the shit about what he's doing now.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of it,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: after it,
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: he messaged me and thanked me for not asking a bunch of Fear Factory bullshit.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And my attitude's always the same.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I ask that?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're not in that band.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't been in that band in five years at this point.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you haven't been actively in that band for about 10.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I ask questions about that shit?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because that's what everyone else asks him, right?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the whole thing.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, super lazy.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: But no, I mean, like you said, he is such a nice guy, too.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: And he's not that kind of dramatic type of guy.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's why,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: when guys are like that,
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: too, it's just like if I know, you know, the guys are cool and...
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: He won't give you much anyway.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, well,
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: what's the point of pissing him off and then asking all that stuff
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: when he doesn't want to give you anything after that?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, you might as well...
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when I interviewed him years ago when there was all this shit going on
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: with them, that one that you hooked me up with him.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like a time where I was like,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: I know he was sensitive and we were asked not
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: to really ask any Fear Factory questions.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I just at the end just said, hey, you know what, man?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you can tell me about it, I'm not going to pep you with questions.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us what's going on and just let him...
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: He said like a little bit,
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: and it was kind of cool because it actually got on the sites and everything too,
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: just for him speaking.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like he said, I think he talked about it for like five sentences, you know what I mean?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: it's like there's no point in doing something like that where then it would be
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: a disastrous interview.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, and it was a really good interview you did with them.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, we know the whole situation with Fear Factory.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: And on top of that, it's just like they've become such a joke.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: In my opinion, that band, they got a singer who just clones the guy on that new record.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so, like we've been saying, I'm all team.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: I hate to be like, who are you when bands break up?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Are you the guy who left?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Are you for the rest of the band?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, but I am.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm a Burton guy through and through.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: You already know, too.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: And his solo stuff's pretty decent.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's him at least.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've liked the two songs that I've heard so far have been okay.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I liked Ascension of the Watchers.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was pretty cool.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was different, but it was cool.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And look, I love what he's doing now.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And if you guys don't know what he's doing, Burton,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: the singer formerly of Fear Factory,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: he's going out on these shows and And they're really not shows.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's really 50 people max.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the max number.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he just brings everybody in and he kind of puts them in a circle and he talks
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: to them and he takes questions and tells stories about the obsolete record,
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: which is such an amazing fucking
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: record.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, classic.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a cool tour and it is what makes it cooler.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I even said this to him.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's cooler just because it's not the lazy,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: well, let's play the album from start to finish that everybody does now.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because that is just a ploy to get people to go to fucking Spotify and play the record.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that stinks.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've gone to a bunch of those kind of shows.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: I was telling you, I did go to their demanufactured 20th anniversary, I think it was.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it was great.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I've been to, I would say, a whole bunch.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've been to probably a handful of shows where bands play the whole album full.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's, I mean, you know how it is.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like right now, everyone's running out of stuff, too, because no one wants to hear anything new.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: So people just want to hear the old stuff because the new stuff, nothing's very inspiring.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: It all sounds the same because of the way things are recorded these days.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the band just have a formula now and every album, it's kind of the same thing.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think we'll be talking about some of that stuff later.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's what really people want.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they just want old stuff.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: They want stuff that's going to bring them back.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's nothing new, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's happened.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen our parents' generation go through that and everything.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it's nothing new.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like when they do every single album where it's like,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: well, this is now the 37th year.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go ahead and play.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's like...
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Make 25 years, maybe 30 or 40, like those big numbers.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: But not if you did 25, then don't do 30.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, you can't do it twice.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think doing it twice is silly.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to do 25, whoever's still laying around at 50, you can have them do it then.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: with all your new young guys that are 25 that'll be calling themselves Fear Factory
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, God.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, like the worst has that been, you know, Black Flag.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen...
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: What they look like now?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, you got the old guy.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: What's his name?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Gray something.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm not a huge black flag guy, but he's got like kids in the band.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it's a black flag and you see the picture.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: You see this old guy, white hair and these I'm talking kids.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking like they look like teenagers, man.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that's such an iconic band in that punk scene.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's just a joke to me.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like I get you want to go out and celebrate it.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: And we know where it is right now, the industry.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: But When you've got a bunch of teenage-looking kids and this old grandpa,
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: it could be their grandpa.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: It is their grandpa, really.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing, too.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's one of the things that when Jim comes on, they don't want to ask him.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just what his take is on this stuff because we've seen it, obviously, with...
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: Sebastian Bach now with Twisted City.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you draw the line with this stuff, man?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: There has to be a line.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm sorry.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: There just has to be.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it is.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say I know,
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: but I guess it's a band-by-band basis, but there's got to be a line somewhere.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: See, I think the line, we talked about it a little bit last week on the show.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think the line has to be at age combined with performance ability.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: because it is ridiculous seeing some of these guys getting,
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: most of these guys that are trotting out there at 70, 75, 80.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: This music, this style of music was not built for that.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you're an acoustic person from the 70s,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even that, I mean, up until he died, like I saw videos of Gordon Lightfoot.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's as acoustic and mellow as it gets.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it literally looked like they were trotting out a Halloween skeleton onto
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: the stage holding a guitar.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: You ever see those Halloween skeletons that are playing guitar with the big shoulders?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he looked like, just a skeleton.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he almost died on stage.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: He literally died like four days after a show or something.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, you see other guys like Frankie Valli.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's ridiculous with him, dude.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're clearly unboxing him to push him on stage.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Weekend at Bernie shit, dude.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: You don't bring these guys out there just to stand them up.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it is.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's silly, man.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know why you'd want to do that, too.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I understand you miss it or you enjoy performing and But nobody wants
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: to see you like that.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, who wants to remember Frankie Valli?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, looking like a total corpse.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and of course, you know, with his voice, he was so high.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's no way he could even come close to even singing one iota close to that.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, it bastardizes, and it's a mockery of it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you're making a mockery of your own legacy.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't get it.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it is funny, too,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: because you got that old,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: he's like 90 or 85 or whatever he is, and he's not moving his mouth.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's clearly a track because he's like,
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: you know, he doesn't move his mouth at all.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: And he's got like a bunch of 30-year-old guys behind him,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: and they're all dancing and singing, and it's so fucking stupid.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's silly, dude.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's silly.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I just think it dilutes your legacy in a way.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's like, do you really need them?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, if they need the money, all right, I can get it.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: I can understand if you're really that desperate for money.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think Frankie Valli is desperate for money.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Frankie Valli, we looked him up.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: He's got like half a billion dollars.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, ego, I guess, just attention.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even think
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: it's that.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a manager that's in his head.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Telling them, you got to go.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: You got to go.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly do not believe in most of the cases, not all of them, but I don't.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I believe in most of the cases where it is just like Barry Manilow.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm positive or Rod Stewart.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: The last two,
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: the both of them had major medical issues that finally took them off the road in
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: the last six months.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the both of them.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: They were terrible.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've actually, I hate to admit this, talk about showing off what a fag I can be.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen Barry Manilow live.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I saw him in the 80s or whatever it was.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was the early 80s.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: My mom went and saw Barry Manilow, and it was a damn good show, and he sounded great.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he walked around,
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: and he was kind of leaning down and kissing the broads in the front row and stuff.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was doing the Barry Manilow thing.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a good show.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then you see him now and it's clear he's singing to a track.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: And when he's not singing to a track, he sounds terrible and he can't move.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: At one point,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: and I think the last show he did,
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: he sat down next to the piano because he couldn't stand up to keep going.
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• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, dude, what are you doing?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he knows there's something wrong, but he's still trotting his ass out there.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I honestly think it's probably some fucking manager in his ear saying,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: come on, Barry, only 14 more shows and we're done.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to give any money back.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: I also say they sign these contracts.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's got to be stuff in these things.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say, look, when we want you to go out there, you got to do it.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, because you scratch your head a lot of the times when you see these guys doing this.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Even the Rolling Stones going out and touring in their 80s.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, do they really?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, here's the thing.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: I understand if you want to play a show here or there.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: I totally get that.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Play a handful of shows and big shows in major cities.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: To tour?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: To do 15 to 20 dates when you're in your 80s?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't... You're right.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's managers and there's people behind the scenes
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: that are not just pushing them, but saying, hey, you signed this.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't,
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: you're going to get taken to court and you're going to lose blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's like, oh, I don't want to deal with that headache.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just go out and do it.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, right?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever see this before?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, before these days, I don't remember...
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think we paid
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: enough attention to it, to be honest.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we didn't.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you really dig in and think about it,
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: and Horatio in the chat room, no, I did not go see Liberace.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck you.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: LAUGHTER But I mean, seriously, I think it probably has been going on for a while.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason the Temptations are still out there.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason that the Four Tops were out there until a couple of years ago.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they used to do that.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: What was that?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: The Moondog Coronation Ball where they would bring out all of the,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: the one Shandell or whatever that was still alive would come out and sing a song
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably been there,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: but I think the difference between then and now, those bands didn't make any money.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Those bands got extorted beyond belief with their early contracts,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: but by the 80s, these guys were making money.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Barry Manilow is not broke.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Frankie Valli is not broke.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's no reason for them to be out there at all.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: It just...
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they would do that.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's going to be interesting with the metal bands,
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: because like you were just saying before, listen,
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: that's the kind of music that's not meant to be played when you're 78 years old.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: So it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're getting to that point,
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: not too far off from that point now,
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: which Judas Priest and Metallica and everything like that with those bands,
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Iron Maidens.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: What are they going to do?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: Are they going to be playing?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's got to be a point in time when you can't,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: when you just physically cannot do that.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it's got to be coming soon.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's band to band.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: And, I mean, the two that you mentioned are still decent at playing live.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: And Maiden is the real exception because they're not just decent.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're still excellent.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: But, I mean, look, Neely's at a show tonight.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Don's out there.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: His voice is blown.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: His, you know, his hand don't work.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: He can hardly walk.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he's trotting his ass out there and singing for an hour and 10 minutes
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: or 20 minutes or whatever it is.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I get it, I guess.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've told him behind the scenes.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I know Neely has too.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And we've said it here on the show a bunch of times.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Please stop.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Go do an acoustics.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sam David Lee Roth, another guy.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do a storytellers.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Go do a storyteller.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see David Lee Roth, who's a fucking nut job anyway.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't you love to see him just rambling for an hour and mixing in some Dance
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: the Night
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Away or some shit in the middle of acoustic?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's only, man.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the thing is, though, when you say acoustic, see what happens is their voices are so shot.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: It shines out even more if you're doing acoustic than if you've got the heavy drums
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: and the electric guitars.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: You can bring the key down to where they can hit.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you could.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Roth could spoken word it.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Roth could be like, you know, dance the night away.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: But if you had to watch that for an hour, I think you'd get sick of it, to be honest with you.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Half hour show, I could probably take it.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be fun.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: After a while, you'd be like, this guy's so off his ass right now.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we really want to sit here for another half hour and watch him.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: But if your choice is what he's doing now.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Versus that.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you could get some really wacky stories in between each song.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'd take that.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I see what you're saying.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I don't know.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's different.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has their opinions on that kind of shit.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think as many people would pay to see it.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's probably what they're thinking.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think they would once.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: And again, David Lee Roth is 70-some years old.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly not hurting for money.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's another guy that could just do it because he wants to be out in front of people
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: and have people kissing his ass.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: He could do that.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still a believer on these old bands that instead of going out on tour, like Deep Purple.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Deep Purple should not be out on tour.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: They should play L.A., New York, Chicago, done.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: If they want to play, play three shows.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of see what you're saying.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, I mean,
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: from what I've heard,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen them,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: but I've heard they sound fantastic from people I know that have seen them.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: I guess if you're still playing, you know.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've heard both ways.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard some people say that they were great.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard my buddy.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think you know this guy, too, Paul.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Paul Fink out there in.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Playtime for you.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he went and saw it and he said, started off really strong.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Singer got weak toward the middle to the end.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that makes sense.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's 80.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: he is, right?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's an 80-year-old blind guy.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, he's not going to be that great after a while.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even know where he is.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: He can't see.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's what people want.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: People would rather have that than they don't care.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think people necessarily care about the quality.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's just having it just to bring them back and just to just to see it just with
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: the original, you know, guys, no matter how good or bad it sounds.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we just want to see it and sing those songs one last time.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think everyone knows it just the industry.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: So everything's just, you know, it's it's not going to say it's done.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: But as we see, I mean, this this is it.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: These legacy bands, that's all we got left.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's no other bands coming up.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: People always say,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: once David Lee Roth is done,
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: and once Deep Purple is gone,
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Once Judas Priest is done and Iron Maiden, who is there?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Who's going to take that torch and be the band that's in their 50s and 60s
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: that are able to still do it?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: No one wants to see the bands from the late 90s.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: We always talk about the last major era that people always talked about of
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: a real musical movement with Seattle with those bands.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: all those singers are dead except for Eddie Vedder and no one likes Eddie Vedder
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: and Pearl Jam.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, like no metalheads do.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, you know, so who's there?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: There's nobody.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, all right, we just got to see, you know, who we can now.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty what it comes down to.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the real Last Bastion is even getting very old, like Korn.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Korn is still big.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're still pretty big.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Limp Bizkit is back being big.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that's not going to last.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, and Limp Bizkit, let's be honest, they're goofy.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Korn is not a band I ever want to see when they're in their 60s.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm already kind of done seeing them.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm sort of done
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: with them too, but.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they haven't put on anything in years that's memorable.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: Everything sounds the same.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that whole era is not a good era.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, it's done, man.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's why people were like, yeah, we'll see Deep Purple in the 80s.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's better than seeing whatever else is coming up, you know, these bands from the 90s.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not,
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: I guess we love a ton of bands from the 90s,
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: but even me now, I'm just like, yeah, I get it.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's very...
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's not that much meat to it.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, everything got simplified in the 90s, right?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's no technical chops.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Vocally, everything didn't matter.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was just screaming.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: There was no technical, you know, proficiency or anything like that in any of the music.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, what is there?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: The angst is gone.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: We're not young and angry like that.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: We used to be in full pistachio vinegar.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, I don't really want to see, you know, corn saying faggot.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, it was fun back then.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: But do I want to see them singing now?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't be the same.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: We'd be like, uh...
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Who's those old guys using dirty words?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly, right?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm with you.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's do this, man.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's play some tunes,
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: and then we'll come back, and in theory, we will have Monty Colvin joining us.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to get it right here.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Monty's my friend, and I'm calling him by the wrong fucking name.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with me?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, let's do this.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to play some Amorphous to get going here,
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: play a few songs,
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: and then we will come back with Monty Colvin of the Galactic Cowboys.
• 40:21
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• 40:22
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• 40:23
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• 40:39
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• 40:41
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• 40:44
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• 40:46
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• 40:49
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• 40:50
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• 40:55
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• 40:57
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• 40:59
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• 41:01
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• 41:05
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• 41:06
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• 41:10
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• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, this is Monty from Galactic Cowboys and you are watching CMS-TV.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, we are not amused, goddammit.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: It is your classic metal show.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the Galactic Cowboys with I'm Not Amused.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Before that,
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: a little Iron Maiden,
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: reincarnation of Benjamin Brieg,
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Slayer with Seasons in the Abyss, and Amorphous with the Lantern.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: And at this time, Sir Matt, it is time to bring on our first guest of the night.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: He is the bass player and the main writer of the Galactic Cowboys.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: They have a brand new album, What Planet Are You From?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to say his name right so I don't look like a total dick yet again.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's Monty Colvin.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Monty, how are you, brother?
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, doing great, Chris.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's good to see you, my friend.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: What's up, Monty?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: How you doing, buddy?
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: Good, man.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, it's okay if you want to call me Connor,
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: because I can talk about some new bands I'm signing.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, all things Roadrunner.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's this deathcore rap band that you're working with today, right?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: Love to sign them.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're right on the verge of getting that good exclusive deal with them, right?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: Them and Goat Whore.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Monty, obviously, man, it is an exciting time.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: As a fan of the Galactic Cowboys, it's an exciting time.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: You guys picked it up, you know, after way too long away.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: I know that little thing that sidelined us all for five years kind of was part of the time away.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: But you have brand new release.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: What planet are you from?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is fantastic.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: I told you this the other day when we did the Chris Aker Presents interview.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Love it, man.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you guys are back, man.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I hate to say that because it almost sounds like I'm saying,
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: well, you did a lot of shit and now you're back.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: But no, you guys are back after, what, nine years or something.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's great to have new music.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, our last album was in 17.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, we took this long hiatus after one of our last albums for Metal Blade.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: It was like 2000.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then we didn't do anything together except play a few shows here and there
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: for like 17 years.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so anyway, we took another seven years off,
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: you know, and grew even older.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, we did a Kickstarter, as I told you the other day, and it worked.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: We got the money and we went into the studio.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we've made one of the best albums we've ever made.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_03: I know everyone says that about their new album, but I truly believe it.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't sound dated to me.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: It just sounds like...
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: You know, great, fresh stuff.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, we're getting some great reactions from our fans.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: And hopefully everyone will feel that way.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude,
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Matt and I were talking off air yesterday because we were,
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: you know, we were getting ready for you to come on.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I threw him the album.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you don't send the police after me because I forwarded him your album.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: No problem.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: But we were talking about your Kickstarter,
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: and I know I didn't even talk to you about this in the interviewee interview
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: that we did,
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: but $88,000 raised,
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: dude, that says a whole lot more about the staying power that you guys have.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think it is?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's not just the music.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's a zillion bands that have a lot of great records that are not going
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: to be able to put a Kickstarter out there and raise almost 100 grand.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the way that you guys have kept in touch with your fans and interacted with your fans?
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think it is that has kept them so engaged and so hungry to help out
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: to bring the band back?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it surprised us, too.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't know, and they came through.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: of course, you know, they say that, you know, they've been saying that for years.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: You guys ought to do another album.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: You ever doing another album?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and, you know, for a while we've just kept saying, well, you know, how?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have the money.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have a label.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: You know, how are we going to do it?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, we finally...
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Thought to do a Kickstarter and give it a shot.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't know.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I don't know.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think,
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: I've been doing the podcast, you know, talking about us for like 17 years now.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: Wait a minute.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_03: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Monty's Rockcast is 17 years old?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not kidding you, man.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_03: I started it in 2008.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_03: I did not realize it was
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: that old.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know,
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: maybe that helped just keeping,
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: you know, people, you know, in touch with us and talking about the old stuff.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, they just...
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_03: Stayed with us all these years.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: And now they're playing it for their kids.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, it's amazing to us.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, we appreciate it a lot.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Monty, I mean, you just mentioned, you know, record labels.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you guys have been on some amazing record labels over your career.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, Geffen, one of the biggest ones ever.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Metal Blade, I mean, the biggest underground metal label.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the first one.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then of course,
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: even Mascot, which is, I mean, these days, that's a really good label to be on.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: like there's not a lot of labels out there for them to come to you guys and say,
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: hey, we want to put out a Galactic Cowboys record is great.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now you said that you're doing this on your own for the first time.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: How has the experience been so far?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously,
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: it's like you say,
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: you don't have all those people back and you're doing all the work for you.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: I know you got to do all the grunt work,
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: but talk about how you guys have been,
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: you've been enjoying or is it kind of,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's a lot more work, but just talk about the experience so far.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the recording and all that was amazing.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: We just had such a blast doing the album and all that was great.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_03: It was probably the funnest I've ever had making an album, most enjoyable.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: But after that,
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_03: putting everything together is when we kind of started realizing,
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: wow, we're the label and we've got to do all this now.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: And so
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: my fiance and I have been packaging everything and literally putting it in
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: the sleeves and putting the label on it and everything.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: the other guys are doing their parts and,
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: you know, but yeah, right now it's just all within the band.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_03: We're, you know, booking our own gigs and, you know, everything.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: So it's been,
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_03: that part's been kind of a learning experience,
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: kind of,
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_03: that's been kind of hard at times,
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: but still we're making it happen and we're bound and determined.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I did,
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: for a little while,
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was running Dawkins' website,
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: and Don put out that solitary solo record that he did,
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: the acoustic solo record that he did, and he had me run that.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: And he sold about 5,500 CDs.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he sold a ton of them.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm curious if you have this experience.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was packaging them up.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: I had my kids packaging them up.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: I had everybody doing the packaging and throwing the labels on it and everything.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Man, every day I was going to the post office and they would see me coming
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: and I would literally see people closing their windows because they just knew
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: that I was coming with like 500 packages all over the world and they knew
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: that I was going to be in front of them for the next hour.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Are you feeling that same kind of a crunch?
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, a few weeks ago, I went in with the first one.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: I just took one.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I go to this place that's not really an official post office.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of this post office within a store.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I took it in and I, you know, asked her to mail it.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I go, okay, now I have about 400 more of these that I need to mail.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: How can we work this out?
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: And she's like, just bring in like 50 at a time and I'll just do them.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_03: And then I'll call you and you can come in and pay for it.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: And she was just awesome to help us like that.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_03: So that's how we got around that.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: And so...
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: It can be done.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah,
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: I would hate to do that because most post offices that I've been to,
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_03: you know, they're not real cooperative with stuff like that.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, like I said, I mean, I'm not kidding.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: I would be coming into the post office and I would watch them.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they do that side look thing.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then they would be like, oh, they put the little thing up next window, please.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: And they would go in the back because they didn't want to be the one.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: Not this guy.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it was every day.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: That was the problem with it.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was every day.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because Don had put it out there that it was only going to be available for
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: a really short amount of time.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean,
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: people were buying them and people,
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: some people were buying like five and 10 at a time.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't even like,
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: it wasn't even like they knew the weight or whatever,
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: where they could just punch it in real quick and just punch in the zip code.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was, well,
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: this one is two and this one is four and this one is one and this one's Australia
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: and this one is...
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, England, and this one's Wyoming.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a nightmare.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: They hated seeing me, and I ain't gonna lie, I hated being there, too.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: It really wasn't worth the money that Don paid me to do it.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: It sucked.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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• 52:35
  SPEAKER_03: You know what we did is my girl Alex said, you know, let's just take her coffee every day.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so on the way to the post office,
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: we'd pick her up a coffee and we'd come in and go, here you go.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then we'd hand her a pile of stuff.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_03: So we kind of made it a little better that way.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right on.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't get to the post office much anymore,
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_02: but I remember they used to have, like,
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: when I had my label,
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: I used to do that, mail-out CDs, and they used to have, like, a side thing.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a machine.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so instead of going to the counter,
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be kind of like embarrassed because I'd have garbage bags of CDs,
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know, packages.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I would just sit there and do them one by one in the machine
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: where you could just put it through the chute and everything right there on
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: the side.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: But then there'd be people waiting and they're getting pissed off
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: because they have like one package and they're like, well, fuck this.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: Now I got to go wait online.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do they still have that?
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's a kind of a way you can kind of get around that probably.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they do have those self-do-it-yourself things.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, we had way too many to go through that.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just didn't want to be that guy that was standing there with the pile
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: that everyone was standing behind, you know, hating him.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I would just leave him and, you know, come back the next day.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right on, man.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, I don't know that this even happened today.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: I literally,
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: 10 minutes before the show,
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was just flipping through Facebook and stuff to make sure all
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: of my notifications went out about the show tonight.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I saw pictures from a meet and greet.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Did you guys do a meet and greet this afternoon?
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: We did.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: We told all the people in Texas that if they wanted to come to Houston today,
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: that we would sign all their stuff and they wouldn't have to pay for postage.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it saved us going to the post office.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right on.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just drive for $30 worth of gas and you can save $3 on an envelope.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they had fun.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_03: We took pictures and hung out and they enjoyed it.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you guys have always been that way, man.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Even back in the old days, man.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even when you were on major labels and had the MTV and all that other shit,
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: you were still play a show,
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: come off the stage,
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: shake the hands,
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: sign the autographs even before people had phones and were taking pictures.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: How did that not wear on you, man?
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know most bands,
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: they do it when they're young and then they're just like,
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: I really just don't want to do this anymore, man.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: How did that not wear on you like that?
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think we enjoyed it, you know, at least at the beginning, you know.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know,
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: you still run into those people that,
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: just talk your leg off and you don't know how to, you know, end the conversation.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, for the most part, people are just cool.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: And we've always just, you know, wanted to be real with them, you know, just...
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like how I would like to be treated if I met some rock star that I liked.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's the way I've always wanted to be.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_03: I still do that with anybody that messages me or emails me or whatever if I meet them in public.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to be myself and myself.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_03: Be nice, be cool with them.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_03: And so it doesn't take that much energy to do that.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: So we've always done that.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_03: If we're opening for somebody, we play and then go hang out and just meet the people.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, man.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Monty,
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was telling Chris yesterday, by the way, yeah, the record is freaking killer, man.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was listening to it today.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: He sent it to me.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_02: I really think this is like a great time for you guys to put this record on.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of reasons I think that's because...
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: For instance, I'm 50, 90s guy, right, pretty much.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: And when you guys were coming up in the pinnacle of the band's career,
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: someone like myself,
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was into really more heavy,
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: hardcore-y type of stuff, anger, piss, and vinegar stuff.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: So with you guys, I loved your music.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember at the time,
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think, I mean,
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: the thing I couldn't probably get into at the time was the melodic vocals
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: because I was just such an angry dude.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: Fast forward now,
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's a total opposite where I love the melodic vocals and I don't want to hear
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: the anger shit anymore.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think really with this record and just with your guys' sound the way it is,
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_02: because a lot of people have missed the boat on Galactic Cowboys over the years.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is a perfect time because people want more of that sound and style
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: that you guys have.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like myself, I totally love this.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was telling Chris, I'm doing a total deep dive back in the whole catalog right now.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is a great time because I think it really can open you guys It's up to
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: a whole different audience that,
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: like I said,
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: it's that nostalgic 90s time and people are looking for bands like Galactic Cowboys
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: to kind of like, oh, wow, this is a band that slipped through the cracks.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really hear about it as much.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so, I mean, what do you think?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, have you gotten some new fans from back in the day
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: that maybe just overlooked you guys and now are becoming fans of the band?
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so far, the only people that have really heard it that much are our fans that donated.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_03: We filled all the orders for people that made the album possible.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: And now in the next two or three weeks,
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: we're going to start putting it out there for everyone to hear.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_03: But it's hard to say.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: I just don't know how people will take us.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think, yeah, like you say, I think there's a lot of people that would just really dig it.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's got thrash elements in it,
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_03: and yet it's got very melodic choruses and vocals and harmony vocals
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_03: and all this stuff that I've always loved about bands that I listen to.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I've just kind of tried to take things and put them together
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: And form something kind of different.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we did it on this, man.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: I just love it.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want it to hit?
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: And what I mean by that, of course you want people to like it.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: But do you want...
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: To have to go back to being a full-time band guy again.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you...
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, because I know you do your art,
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: and I know you love doing your art,
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: and Lord knows I always shill it because I have a piece literally in the other room
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: on a wall.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I love your art.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: No offense to the Galactic Cowboys, but I think you're a better artist than a musician.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, your art is fucking spectacular.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: It really is.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: It really, really is.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: That being said, I'm thinking back 15 years ago to when Rock, LaHoma started up.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you saw, I mean,
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: you saw the big bands of the 80s that were getting the love,
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the Slayers and the Motleys and blah, blah, blah, or M3 is another one.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: You saw the big ones,
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: but you saw a lot of those bands that fell through the cracks that got a lot
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: of love all of a sudden,
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: the Spread Eagles of the world and the Icon and stuff like that.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, now that it's progressing to the 90s and 2000s era bands now,
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Your band is primed to be one of those bands, but do you want to be one of those bands?
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to have to go out there and chill and play and
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: play Joe's Shitshack
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: before you play a festival the next day, or is that just not where you're at now?
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think the days of touring for months are way over, but...
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_03: But we would love to, you know, play as many shows as we can.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, festivals and stuff like that, we would love to do.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_03: if we could get on some of these,
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_03: you know, cruises or festivals or whatever, that would really be kind of...
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know, perfect for us.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_03: We mainly made this album just for the love of it,
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: just the pure love of making a new album,
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: of writing new songs and just putting it out for people to hear.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_03: And if our fans were the only people to hear it, then, you know, that's just the way it goes.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_03: And we would probably be OK with that.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, we'd love to grow.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_03: We'd love for our audience to grow and We're ready to play.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, we're going to play in December here in Houston.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_03: I fully believe we're still going to go out and completely crush people.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_03: We may be old, but we're still very able.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's really my idea of what would be really great.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_03: If we could just end up on some great shows and just see some progress,
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_03: you know, just see our audience grow a little bit, I would love that.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_02: Did you guys play a lot in Europe at all, Monty, back in the day?
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we did like two or three months with Anthrax in Europe.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_03: We opened for Anthrax for...
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how many weeks, but we were over there for a while, a couple of months, I think.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was great.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_03: We went over well, even with Anthrax.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: We weren't nearly as heavy, probably, but still, their fans over in Europe really took to us.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was great.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because that would be great if you guys could get on some of those festivals.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, that's where a lot of the major festivals are, right?
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that would be a dream come true.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_03: I watch those festivals on YouTube all the time,
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: and I just always think, man,
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_03: that would be so awesome to just go on first band of the day or whatever
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: and just play one of those festivals.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_03: That would be tremendous.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you've played big festivals before, haven't you?
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't you play like...
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Donington or Dynamo or one of those things?
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was Dynamo back in the 90s.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that was incredible.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_03: A sea of people.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we went on in the afternoon and tore it up.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to share this real quick with the fans to see that I'm not bullshitting.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's my Lemmy that was...
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's painted by the great Monty Colvin here.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just a great, great piece.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, it's so funny.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: I have it hanging like right next to my door when people come in.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, it is, I mean, you listen to the show, obviously.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: You listen all the time.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: And Matt, you know me.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is a perfect representation of what you think my house would be.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is the absolute.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember when I saw it on your site five years ago or whatever,
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: and I was just like, I got to have that piece.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: I remember telling you that.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I have to have that piece.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you were like, well, I'll just send it to you.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, dude, come on.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then I don't even remember what we did.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what we did.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you sent me your books.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did some kind of a trade, but I was going to buy it.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I want this piece on my wall.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm telling you, every single person that comes in my house, they're just like, yep, got it.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I wanted you to have that, man.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_03: You needed to have that.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it is a great, great piece.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because it's Lemmy and you have the books,
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: in the very first page of every single one of my books,
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: I dedicate it to my dad, my grandfather, and Lemmy.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, every single one of my books is dedicated to those three people.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: So to have this Lemmy portrait is just so cool to
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_03: have, man.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, let's talk about, you know, we were talking a little bit before.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to just only do Galactic Cowboys.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: We'll swing back to it.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: Talk a little bit about what you're seeing because I know you're a big,
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: outside of being in a band,
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: you're a big fan of this and you go to shows and you mix it up and get on
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: the floor sometimes and you do your thing.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: You hear me and Matt just kind of railing on what it is these days with
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: the old bands and should they quit or should they not quit?
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: You guys aren't 25 anymore yourselves.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're not.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that there should be an age limit or an experience limit?
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you think people should be able to do it as long as somebody comes in the door?
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, I think there's exceptions.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like Matt said, you know, Iron Maiden would be one, you know, where they just, you know...
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_03: They're still doing it just as good and they still look great.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_03: Or at least Steve Harris does.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: He still looks amazing.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_03: And they've still got energy, still running around.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_03: For something like that, I don't care how old they are.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah,
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_03: I've definitely seen some bands on YouTube that That I,
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: I just have to cringe a little bit and just go, oh,
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: you know, man,
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_03: it just, I mean, yeah,
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_03: when they're totally gray and they can't move and all that,
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_03: you know, it may be time to stop.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_03: But I think the one thing that bugs me the most is probably all these bands
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_03: that only have one member left, one original guy, and that bugs me.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_03: Wait a minute,
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to push back on that,
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I'll let you keep going, but I'm going to push back on that.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, prove me wrong.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying right or wrong, I'm just saying...
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: If it's better, if you get one guy or even no guys, I'll even go to the no guy card.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: No guys are one guy,
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: but it sounds great versus having the four original guys and it sounds like shit.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: What is better?
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll give you this.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_03: It might sound better somehow, but I'm not going.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'll give you an example, Kansas.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: One of my favorite bands when I was a teenager and all that,
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_03: and one by one,
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_03: they kept losing guys and they kept replacing them,
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_03: and now there's maybe one, maybe two original guys in the band.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone else is somebody I don't know or Don't care about.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, that is not Kansas.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I will not listen.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_03: I will not go.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_03: And that's just the way I am.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if you replace one, maybe two guys, but it's still the core is there, okay.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_03: But man, when it...
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like I saw a video the other day, a live video of Sweet.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_03: You remember them?
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: I interviewed both versions of Sweet in the last year.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, this amazing band back in the 70s, you know.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_03: And now I think they're all dead except the guitar player.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_03: Andy Scott.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_03: And he's, you know, completely gray and just, you know.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, okay, is this sweet?
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_03: No, I can't call this sweet.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's just me.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: But don't you think that most people,
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: and again,
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just playing devil's advocate a little bit because for me personally,
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: and it's the same thing with tracks versus not tracks.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather have tracks all day long and have a good show
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: than have some singer out there going, you just got lucky.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: I believed your deadly lies.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: I would much rather Don Dockin...
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Have tracks to sing or mimic or whatever.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: I would personally rather get a good show than the mystique of,
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: well, this is the guy that sang that song in 1980 whatever.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't know,
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I know old heads for the most part feel like you do and I think Matt's in
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: the same boat on that one actually.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: But for me personally, I just like the songs.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's not so much that it's this guy or that guy.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's, man, I love that song.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: And at the same time,
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: because now I'm going to contradict my own self and then I'll turn it loose to both
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: of you.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: I will not pay.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: That kind of money that they're asking for these days for a basic tribute band.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: If there is only one guy or no guys or, you know, I wouldn't pay $300 to see today's Bon Jovi.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just wouldn't do it.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's just stupid.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I would go for $30 and I would see a decent Bon Jovi tribute band
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: because I like some of those songs.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I think it's a weird line.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do you agree or do you think that it depends on who the people are?
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, could Tico Torres' Bon Jovi, that's one guy, would that work?
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Or is that totally stupid?
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Versus a no guy...
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Bon Jovi tribute band or Phil X's Bon Jovi because he joined at some point later in life.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just can't do it.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not going to go.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to go see Journey without Steve Perry.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not going to go see Foreigner without Lou Graham.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_03: I just I can't do it.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the core.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: It needs the core.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the core.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like I was telling, I saw Toto about a month ago, but it had Steve Lukather.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: It only had one original member and it had one of the singers,
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Joe Williams, who was there for a bunch of albums in the 80s.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, this was good enough for me because I had one core member.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's at least the – when it comes to something like Chris is talking
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: about, I would say neither.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't see neither of them.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't even choose.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like neither of them.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: I guess everyone has their, I guess, line they're going to draw.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's – yeah, I think it's silly, most of it now.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_03: How about this?
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_03: I saw a band on YouTube the other day, live, playing a recent show.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't want to bag on them.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_03: It was a band that used to have a song called Working for the Weeknd.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I just watched it and I just went, oh my God, this is just so embarrassing.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't that they sounded terrible, but it was just the whole
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: look like, oh God.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Mike Reno looks like me these days.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a good look.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's bad.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_03: And still wearing the headband and all that.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_03: And just...
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_03: It just looked really lame.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and not only for that,
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Neely and I covered a show of theirs about a year ago,
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_01: and we literally watched,
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: like every time he hits a high note,
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_01: you can watch the keyboard player hitting a key because he's clearly got
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_01: the high notes into the keyboard.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And we literally isolated on it for like a half hour just every time Reno would do
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_01: that high scream part.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, you see the keyboard player like.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_01: And look.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: I like everybody else.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I sort of like Loverboy.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: When Mike Reno weighed 160 pounds, he still sounded like he was always getting ready to cry.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: So that all by itself made me not want to like Loverboy.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I liked him
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_03: back in the 80s.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_03: I liked him in the day.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I used to play those songs in a cover band, you know?
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like...
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_03: I, you know, I don't hate on them.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like, okay, more power to them.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_03: They're still out there doing it.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, it just does, you know, makes me cringe a little bit.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I just never want to look like that.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't want people to look at me or my band and go,
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_03: oh, you know, God, what's happened to him?
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Monty,
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: as somebody that's sort of,
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_01: not sort of,
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_01: that is in the scene,
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: do you have,
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm not going to ask you to name names on this,
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: but do you have friends that you've made in the business that you see
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_01: and you're just like, oh, dude, come on, man, stop.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I can't think of anybody too much that I know of.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I can't think of anybody right now, but no, I mean,
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_03: it's mainly just,
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know,
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_03: the Deep Purples and bands that are just really getting up there that I'm like,
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_03: it just doesn't look real great anymore.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think for somebody like Deep Purple,
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe just don't have the band in the video as much, if you make a video.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Because some of the music sounds pretty good.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_03: But they just look so old at this point.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I know it's probably coming for me.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll be there maybe in a few years or whatever.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_01: You will not be on stage at 80 years old trying to fucking swing your hair.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's not going to happen.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: I've only got three more years, Chris.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's right.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm 67, not 77.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_03: I probably won't be.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I want to ask you, I just want to take it back here to your podcast, to Monty's Rockcast.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Your most recent episode.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was a real, obviously, that was a very personal episode.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was fantastic.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_02: I suggest everyone to really check that out.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I really, I love that.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was obviously, I won't talk too much, but there was something in there.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_02: I always want to ask bands that were sort of attached to this.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_02: I know it can be sometimes a sensitive thing,
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_02: but obviously it was the band,
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Galactic Cowboys,
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: really being attached to the whole Christian metal label over the years.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you talked about it on the broadcast.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously,
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: you talked about before you were even in Galactic Cowboys,
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_02: you were in a band that was in the real Christian music sort of world,
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_02: and you didn't like it.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_02: You saw a lot of the corruption that was going on and so forth.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_02: But that's obviously something that you guys were always kind of attached
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_02: to you guys back in the 90s.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_02: And what's interesting,
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_02: when I think about you guys,
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: was right when you guys put out your last album before you took your long break
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_02: in 2000, all of a sudden, this whole Christian metal now thing was mainstream.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Bands like P.O.D.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_02: and Creed and Skillet and everything,
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: it became kind of cool all of a sudden,
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_02: where in the 90s,
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think when you guys were coming up,
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_02: it was sort of like no one really wanted to have that.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying you guys did,
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: but just in general,
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: it wasn't something that a lot of people and bands wanted to be attached to.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I have to think, I mean,
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_02: did that,
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_02: when that happened,
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: did you kind of like shake your head and be like,
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_02: whoa, we were literally just on the cusp.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean,
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_02: maybe if you guys would have stuck around,
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_02: that could have been something you could have,
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: attached yourself to,
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: because like I said,
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't want to talk too much about it because I know you do
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_02: a great job explaining all that in the podcast itself.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: But talk a little bit about that when you saw that happen.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Was that something that you guys were kind of like, man,
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_02: we were just right there and then all of a sudden this thing takes off by
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: the time we are taking this long break?
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, we,
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_03: when we started the band,
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_03: we didn't want to be classified as a Christian band or a Christian metal band.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't because, you know, we hated Christians or anything like that.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_03: We just wanted to be taken legitimately as a,
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_03: you know, just a band that was out there in the world.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_03: Going against the big boys.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we didn't even think about being on a Christian label or anything like that.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_03: And we never really tried to focus on that as any kind of marketing thing or anything like that.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of people knew we were Christians.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_03: As I talked about on the podcast,
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_03: the older I got,
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_03: I got into my 50s and just started doubting everything about my life
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_03: and Christianity and everything.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_03: I really just left it for years.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_03: so during COVID and through all that,
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of saw that, you know, I just really become a really horrible person.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I just, you know, I felt like I needed to regain my faith in God.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I just kind of went back to believing again.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_03: But we're still kind of the same way.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if you want to call us a Christian band, Okay, we're fine with that.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, they put us on the cover of a Christian metal magazine this month.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, hey, great.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, we're proud of that.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_03: We're fine with that.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_03: And if, you know,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_03: somebody wanted us to play some kind of Christian festival,
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_03: we'd probably do it, you know.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_03: But we still don't market ourselves that way as,
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_03: you know, we're, you know, this Christian band and that's who we are.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we're just...
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_03: We're just guys that believe what we believe.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that if you would have been over the top,
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_01: because the bands that did have success with it, Put it over the top.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the obvious one is Striper with the throwing the Bibles out and the 316
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever it is on the cover.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a fan of them,
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_01: but they do have like a biblical verse on the cover of every album and whatnot.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_01: They were so over the top with it that it got them attention.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I would point to, Matt mentioned Creed.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Creed was another one.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Put it way up front.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: That we're a Christian rock band.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't a rock band that sang Christian songs.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_01: They put it way up front there.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that maybe in hindsight,
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_01: and obviously can't go back 35 years and change it,
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: but if you guys would have named every album Thessalonians 2.5 or whatever,
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_01: maybe you would have had more success than you did because there was a perception,
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_01: but it was almost mysterious to where people didn't understand how to relate
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_01: to your music.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, yeah, who knows?
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_03: But that's the thing with us.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_03: We've just always wanted to write about whatever we felt like writing.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_03: if it happened to be about God or it happened to be about,
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_03: you know, crop circles, you know, we just did it and, you know, put it out there.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_03: And we've just always believed in the integrity of God.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_03: Our music.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know,
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_03: we never had any kind of thoughts of having that kind of agenda or,
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_03: wanting to fit into that certain category just to try and sell albums or something.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_03: We never wanted it to be a gimmick.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_03: And we just wanted to be who we are, you know, just people making music, just a band.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_03: And, uh, Whether it hurt us or whatever, we don't know.
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_03: But we've still got a lot of Christian fans that like us,
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_03: you know, just based on some of the songs.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: We've got a lot of devil worshipers, too.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's probably all equal.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, hopefully so.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bring on the Slayer people.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_03: Bring them in.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you buy albums, we're glad to have them.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Monty, did you ever meet or play with any of the guys from Pantera?
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Being from Texas, obviously, a band that was from there.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, in the 90s, they were obviously, yeah.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever?
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny because some guy,
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was last night,
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_03: we were out at some show,
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_03: and some guy came up and he was like,
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_03: yeah, I remember when you used to play with Pantera.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_03: You guys used to open for Pantera.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_03: And he said it like over and over.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_03: And we're just sitting there going, okay.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_03: No, we never played with Pantera.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Not one single show.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_03: But we did know them.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, we met those guys before they got signed.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_03: They were just playing clubs in Houston.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_03: And they played just these, you know, metal clubs.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_03: And we'd go and see them like every time.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember one night we went and hung out with them afterwards.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, Phil was hilarious.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And we played him some of our stuff off the first album.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, Dimebag was like, yeah, hell yeah, man.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_03: And we were like, oh, this is so cool.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_03: Pantera likes us.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_03: So that was kind of the extent of it, though.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_03: We used to hang out with them and knew them.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then we had the same management for a while.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Concrete management.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, that was our only connection, though.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_03: They were Texas boys, and we got to hang out with them a little bit.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_03: But that was pretty much it.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_01: How has that Texas scene changed?
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because it seemed like,
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: and again,
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: tell me I'm crazy because I'm not from there,
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_01: but it seemed like in the early 90s to about the late 90s,
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_01: not now, but it seemed like everybody knew everybody.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: You'd always see,
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Jason McMaster would show up at a Hellstar show,
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_01: or you would show up at this show or that show,
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_01: and it seemed like it was really a tight-knit show.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Community then.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's still some of that now,
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: but it's just with the guys from Sons of Texas always seem to show up at
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: a Texas Hippie Coalition show and that kind of thing.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I think on some level it's still there, but I get the impression it's not.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: How was it then?
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_01: How is it now?
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And when did it change if it did?
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah,
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_03: back in the late 80s,
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_03: early 90s, there was a pretty good scene here, pretty good metal scene.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I used to go out all the time and see all kinds of bands.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_03: I was never that close to anybody other than,
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_03: like, the guys in King's X. I knew them.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_03: But other than that, I didn't hang out with a lot of the other bands.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_03: But there was some good stuff.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then I left in the late 90s.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_03: I just moved to Kansas City and lived there for years and ended up in Colorado
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_03: about five years ago.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so I've been away from this scene for a long time.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I've come back now this year to Houston,
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_03: and I couldn't even tell you what the scene is because I don't go out and see
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_03: the local bands.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know if there is still a scene?
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_02: There is a scene, yeah.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Is there?
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's a really cool club there called the Black Magic Social Club or something like that.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_02: I hear there's a great band called Warlong.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Check them out.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's actually a burgeoning scene going on there.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Two bands, Warlong and Stone Nomads are really, really good bands just to give you.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because Houston I know is not really traditionally like, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: obviously you guys,
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_02: you had Hellstar,
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_02: but You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's mostly been like,
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_02: everyone that's from there has told me it's mostly like either country
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_02: or hip-hop type of town.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know,
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: there really traditionally wasn't like a,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: consistently,
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_02: obviously the Grey's Easy Tops from there,
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: but consistently there wasn't a huge metal scene from,
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_02: this is what people tell me, you know, obviously.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, there's a cool scene going on there now, yeah.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there's always been a lot of blues and,
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_03: you know, stuff like that, you know, and I'm not really into that.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I don't really know, like I said, what the metal scene is.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_03: And plus, you know, I'm older now.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_03: when I was,
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_03: in my 20s and 30s,
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'd go out like every night, you know, seeing some band roll through.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_03: And now it's just like,
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_03: I get a call from somebody at You know,
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_03: eight in the evening and I'm just like, dude, I'm about to go to bed, man.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_03: I have no interest in going out and seeing a band right now.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right on.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: What do you get more of a thrill from these days?
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_01: You have this album.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_01: You've acknowledged it yourself.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_01: You think it's arguably the best music that you've done.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or...
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you get more out of really,
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_01: really conquering the image in your head and putting it on the canvas?
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, one is just strictly me.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's just I have full control of just doing whatever I want, that being the painting.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, it's just kind of my own thing.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I can just look at it when I'm done and know that I did it and I can be proud of that.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, and hopefully I'm not disappointed in what I just did.
• 1:30:45
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, the music, you know, it's, you know, a lot of it starts with me doing demos.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I just,
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_03: I love seeing a song go from a thought in my head to,
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_03: you know, working it up with the band and then put it on an album.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_03: And man, there is so much joy in that.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_03: They both have their pros and cons.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_01: I would almost think it goes the other way.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like the music is maybe more satisfying because you have to take something
• 1:31:18
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• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_01: share it with other people, and still have it be good in your head.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look, I know me,
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_01: and with my books,
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I've had a couple of people that have helped me with editing,
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_01: because I'm the worst at actually rereading stuff and Punctuation
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_01: and whatever is always just fucked up.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Or I'll have a thought in my head and it won't kind of come out on the paper.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then when the editors read it, they're like, well, I don't understand what you're saying.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, they'll throw it back to me.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: And for me personally, I get more satisfaction out of that.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Not so much them correcting me, but for when they read something and they're like, okay.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you add this, it'll make more sense.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Then when I add it,
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: it's just better because then it's like, okay,
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_01: I had the right thought,
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_01: but I needed a little bit of guidance and it became even better
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: than what my thought was.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_01: You in that boat or no?
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I...
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_03: The cool thing about these days is you can get a lot of instant satisfaction
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_03: with Facebook and the socials and Instagram and all that.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_03: I can get a painting done tonight and have it on Facebook tomorrow.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_03: And have people go, wow, I love that.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's really cool.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas with the music, we've been waiting two years for somebody to hear this stuff.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so one takes a little longer.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean,
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_03: there's a certain amount of satisfaction you get to with just the collaboration
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_03: with other people working together.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_03: With other musicians and seeing it come together and having their input.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's really cool too.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_03: I love them both.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_01: What gives you more satisfaction?
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to ask you to be honest on this one.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give me the fans are great.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to hear that one.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_01: I want the honest answer.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you like when you get the ass kiss, which you get all the time?
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, dude, this is great.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is wonderful.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, your band's the best ever.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know you hear that.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you heard that 50 times today when you're at the meet and greet.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you like when somebody says, you know what?
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_01: I would have liked this to be this way or I don't like this.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you thrive off of the constructive criticism or the absolute troll hate?
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know for me,
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_01: and again, I'm only throwing this me, I'll say what I feel and you tell me.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't care when anybody tells me how good my books are or my interviews
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_01: or any of that stuff.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say that it's like shitty or whatever, but I know I'm good at what I do.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need someone else to tell me that.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm much more inclined to listen to somebody say, man,
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_01: you softballed that interview really badly because then I'll go back and I'll listen
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: to it and I'll be like, All right, maybe I did.
• 1:35:22
  SPEAKER_01: I got to work on that.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_01: I got to get better.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of where I love the criticism.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: I love the, as long as it's not, you're a stupid fat fuck and you shouldn't be writing anything.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_01: That I don't want to hear.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_01: But if they tell me something about one of my books or about something that I did in
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_01: an interview or whatever,
• 1:35:46
  SPEAKER_01: whatever I'm working on,
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually better with that than I am the shameless ass kiss love.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, where do you stand?
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because you get the same thing, I'm sure.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, any,
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_03: and I think any praise you get is,
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_03: you have to take with a grain of salt, but,
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_03: and just,
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_03: appreciate it,
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_03: if it's something good and,
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_03: you know, think, okay, good, you know, but, you I'll be honest, man.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_03: If I get negative comments about some of that stuff,
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_03: usually my reaction is, what the hell do you know?
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_03: I've been doing this for like 40 some odd years now.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_03: I know what I'm doing when it comes to songwriting and I'm pretty knowledgeable
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_03: about music and the music industry and so forth.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_03: Or especially my paintings, man.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_03: If somebody starts nitpicking my paintings, I'm like, what?
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, I've painted 3,000 pictures at this point.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, are you kidding me?
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_03: Unless it would... Now,
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_03: if it was some really amazing artist that I totally look up to,
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_03: and he would critique me in a professional way,
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_03: but if it's just some guy that doesn't do art, I'm usually like...
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Who are you?
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_03: I probably should change my ways on that, but that's kind of the way I am.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_02: You probably get that a ton now from the social media, obviously, with everything.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's the art, too.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's because people feel like they could just say that shit on social media,
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_02: so I'm sure you get that more than that.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we got a song on the new album called Mr. Know-It-All.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_03: And it's about it's about, you know, losers that go on Facebook and troll.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just like, you know, get a life, you know, keep scrolling.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean, I just it's not something I do.
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if I see some band that I hate, you know, has a post on there, I just keep scrolling.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't bother to go on and dog them and try to make them feel like crap.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's because everybody – Speaking of painting – Oh,
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_03: go ahead.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was just going to ask one question about your painting real quick.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to ask one of the weirdest requests you've ever gotten
• 1:38:37
  SPEAKER_02: from your paintings because obviously you get a lot of requests.
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said,
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_02: I know during COVID especially you talked about on your podcast that you got a ton
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_02: of requests.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_02: What's like one of the weirdest or oddest – Some guy messaged me years ago
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_02: and wanted me to paint his dog.
• 1:38:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, okay, sure.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_02: He sent me some pictures.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_02: I go, okay, cool.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Then he goes, okay, now I want you to put a
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_03: hat on him.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I like a pipe sticking out of his mouth.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then could you please put a taco sitting in the yard?
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_03: Kind of buy him in.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_03: And if possible, could you just kind of have it floating through the air?
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_03: And lo and behold, I ended up doing it.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_03: And pulled it off and he loved it.
• 1:39:41
  SPEAKER_03: But that was one of the weirdest.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_03: But there are some times, man,
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_03: when I get some requests where I'm just like,
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how to do that.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Some guy wanted me to put his whole family on top of that dome in Vegas, the sphere.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_03: The sphere, okay.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he wanted me to put his family on the top of it or something.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_03: I just got so confused.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, dude, I'm sorry.
• 1:40:15
  SPEAKER_03: I can't do that right now.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe someday come back to me, but right now I'm going to have to say no.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, with the art that you do,
• 1:40:32
  SPEAKER_01: how many people are accusing you of using AI at this point?
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_01: And where do you land with the AI?
• 1:40:41
  SPEAKER_03: No, no one's really accused me.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_03: Actually,
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_03: what I use it for sometimes is just when somebody like
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_03: that has some whacked out idea, sometimes I will just... Punch it in or whatever.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and just see what it comes up with so I can get kind of an image in my head
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_03: of what maybe it could look like.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't have them...
• 1:41:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's got nothing to do with what it ends up being.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know,
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_03: for some information,
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_03: as a tool to kind of,
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_03: you know, help you get something going, you know, I don't mind it for that.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_03: But it is kind of,
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_03: it's kind of discouraging sometimes to see some of this AI art that just looks
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_03: so incredible that you know it's not real or no one painted that, you know.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_03: But hopefully people still like the real stuff and we'll keep having me do stuff
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_03: because they know it's real.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_01: The real stuff is always going to have its place.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny because I openly use AI for all the art that I do for the CMS and whatever.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_01: I proudly say it.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know why?
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm not an artist and quite frankly,
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_01: When I was doing it by my, you know, it's always been me doing it, always.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_01: And before it was shitty thumbnails, and now it's better looking thumbnails.
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that stuff you do looks cool.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I was going to ask you, did you do an AI of me on the ad for this show?
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_03: That was funny, man.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_03: I saw that and I had to take a screenshot.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'll send you the intro that I made because it's not only a screenshot,
• 1:42:43
  SPEAKER_01: but then I have me, you, Matt, and Florentine singing.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Singing like an intro that I also made in AI just for the show tonight.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm of the belief of,
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_01: for AI specifically,
• 1:43:04
  SPEAKER_01: if you used to pay somebody to do your art and now you're doing it for free
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_01: to save money, I think that's kind of shitty.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't have any help,
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_01: like for me,
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing the work of 15 people to get this show and all the platforms and edited
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_01: and all this other bullshit.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have time to sit there and make AI cover art that's going to look like shit
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_01: on top of it.
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean,
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_01: that's the other piece of the puzzle is, well,
• 1:43:37
  SPEAKER_01: not only is it time consuming,
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_01: but it's going to look shitty if I'm doing it the old...
• 1:43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Drag and drop,
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_01: cut and paste way,
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_01: that's going to look like garbage compared to everybody else that is using AI.
• 1:43:50
  SPEAKER_01: So in my head,
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_01: my thought is, well,
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to get better at AI art than everybody is, but I'm never going to sell it.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like I wouldn't,
• 1:44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't do that for like a cover of one of my own books or something
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_01: that I would sell,
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_01: but for something that's free anyway,
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_01: it's, you know what, it's no different than me talking.
• 1:44:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm giving it to you for free.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_01: You want it?
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Take it.
• 1:44:14
  SPEAKER_01: You don't?
• 1:44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fine.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know,
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to stop using it because some asshole's like,
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_01: why are you doing AI slop?
• 1:44:21
  SPEAKER_01: You suck.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, blow me.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:44:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think that stuff looks cool when you do it, Chris.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's good stuff.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_02: And you did the artwork, obviously, too, Monty, to the new record, right?
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_02: I saw the YouTube video you did about that.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_02: That was really cool.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_03: I did.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_03: I did that.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I kind of showed the whole process from beginning to end.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I thought that came out cool.
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Have you done all of the artwork for all of the records?
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think yes, right?
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of started during the Metal Blade years.
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_03: When we were on Geffen,
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_03: they'd always fly in some photographer from Time Magazine or something like that.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I'd have really cool paintings and they'd go, yeah, it's all right.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to use somebody else.
• 1:45:16
  SPEAKER_03: So when I got with Metal Blade, I asked Brian, hey, could I do the covers?
• 1:45:21
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, yeah, sure.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because Brian's really cool like that.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right on, man.
• 1:45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Monty, why don't you give the plugs, man?
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Where can people go to buy the new record?
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_01: What planet are you from?
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_01: And anything else from the Galactic Cowboys?
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, it's not actually out there yet.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_03: Give us a couple of weeks,
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_03: and we're going to try and have it up on all the platforms
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_03: where you can download it, pay You know, whatever.
• 1:45:59
  SPEAKER_03: And then we're also going to have the album and the CD for sale on
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_03: the Galactic Cowboy website, hopefully soon.
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so, yeah, that's basically that.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_03: You can hear my podcast on moniesrockcast.com.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_03: And my website is moniecolvinart.com.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_03: If you have any questions or you want to commission me, just drop me a message.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_01: And don't be cheap fucks.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Buy stuff.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:46:34
  SPEAKER_02: No AI buying.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_01: Especially the art.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't say enough about the art.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_01: The art is fantastic.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love the band.
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've told you that a zillion times.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a fan of the band, but I'm a worshiper of the art.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as far as art goes, I'm not an art eye guy.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_01: Most art that I look at, I'm just like, man, that's fucking garbage.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_01: I just do that.
• 1:47:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just how I think.
• 1:47:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so many of your paintings are great.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_01: The Eddie Van Halen stuff, the James Headfields, obviously the Lemmy one.
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's the James Headfield.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool, man.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_01: I made a shirt out of it.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:47:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you're doing prints and everything now.
• 1:47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I got prints.
• 1:47:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I will sell the original paintings, you know, if you want that.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_03: Or, you know, if you just want prints, I've got those.
• 1:47:33
  SPEAKER_03: I've got, you know, all kinds of stuff now.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_03: T-shirts.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be a business.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying, man.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes it's rough.
• 1:47:45
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes it dries up during certain months, and I'm like, oh, my God, what am I going to do?
• 1:47:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I just picked up a commission the other day I've been working on all week,
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_03: and I picked up another commission today.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thankful for the work.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right on, man.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome news.
• 1:48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, for everybody watching, listening, the new record is fantastic.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: The minute you can buy it, you should, if you were not a contributor.
• 1:48:13
  SPEAKER_01: And while you wait for it, go over to Monty Colvin Art, pick yourself up a print.
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_01: You'll sign them if they ask you to, right?
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:48:22
  SPEAKER_03: There
• 1:48:22
  SPEAKER_01: you go.
• 1:48:23
  SPEAKER_01: So pick yourself up a print, pick yourself up a real piece of art.
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely worth it.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_01: You will definitely get people commenting on it.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_01: And Monty, it's always fun, man.
• 1:48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us here on Classic Metal Show, man.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, guys.
• 1:48:36
  SPEAKER_03: Love you guys.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_03: Love the show.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's an honor.
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right on, brother.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Monty.
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're going to get back to the tunes right now.
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to go with a little bit of Megadeth.
• 1:48:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the song is, so let me look at the list.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Here it is.
• 1:48:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's from Dystopia.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is Post-American World.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is Megadeth right here on your Classic Metal Show.
• 1:49:13
  SPEAKER_00: New York's heavy metal
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_02: titans are back.
• 1:49:16
  SPEAKER_03: After 10 years, Anthrax unleashes their 12th studio album, Curse Em Perficio, September 18th.
• 1:49:25
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• 1:49:29
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• 1:49:33
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• 1:49:37
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• 1:49:43
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• 1:49:46
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• 1:49:52
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• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_02: Anthrax, Cursum Proficia, September 18th.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_02: This is the one you've been waiting for.
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, what's up?
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's Austin from Heavy Hitter, and you're watching CMS TV.
• 1:50:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right on time.
• 1:50:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this could not have timed out more perfectly.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Joining us now, dare I say, the guy with the number one comedy album in America.
• 1:50:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's the great Jim Florentine.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Jim, how are you, buddy?
• 1:50:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, is it really impressive that I'm a couple years away
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_00: from collecting Social Security,
• 1:50:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still making prank calls, and it's the number one album?
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_00: it's not like a comedy masterpiece,
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_00: like a stand-up,
• 1:50:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know, my,
• 1:50:59
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:50:59
  SPEAKER_00: George Carlin, You Were All Diseased or something like that, but it's prank calls.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'd put it right next to Eddie Murphy Raw.
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_00: the thing is,
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_00: you get, like,
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've been doing it for,
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_00: what, my first one came out in 2000, so we're talking 26 years now.
• 1:51:18
  SPEAKER_00: You really, and it's still, this one could be the most immature one yet.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you really can't evolve as a human being.
• 1:51:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because you can't go into a prank call going, all right, listen, man, I can't do this anymore.
• 1:51:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm too old for this.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_00: I have responsibilities.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_00: If you go in, the call's never going to be good.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:51:38
  SPEAKER_00: The prank calls are always just childish.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to have that childish mentality.
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I still have it.
• 1:51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, it's a great look.
• 1:51:48
  SPEAKER_01: You can downplay it all you want because I know you.
• 1:51:50
  SPEAKER_01: You're never going to brag on yourself.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking A, dude.
• 1:51:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's still 50 other comics out there that have records that are not
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_01: the number one thing in the country.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're right.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_00: You should take that.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Believe me, all the hard work pays off when it finally comes out and it does well.
• 1:52:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's getting well received.
• 1:52:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a band putting an album out.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you one question.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to only talk comedy or the comedy record, but I got to ask you.
• 1:52:19
  SPEAKER_01: My favorite clip on the telemarketers thing is Is when you do the thing with
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_01: the bill collector about offering them a blowjob to take $1,000 off your bill.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: How did you not fucking laugh?
• 1:52:35
  SPEAKER_01: How did you keep a straight without?
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_01: I would have been laughing my ass off long before he went and got the supervisor.
• 1:52:44
  SPEAKER_00: I just have an uncanny ability to just not break character.
• 1:52:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's on the phone,
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_00: like when it's face-to-face,
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_00: because me and Don used to pull his hidden camera pranks.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's tough, you know, when you're face-to-face.
• 1:52:56
  SPEAKER_00: But when you're on the phone, it's a lot easier.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the only call off the new album that came off my cell phone.
• 1:53:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:53:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, you get the telemarketing, and I always record every one.
• 1:53:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the wrong number.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, American Express, $3,000.
• 1:53:08
  SPEAKER_00: I just answer, yeah, this is him.
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_00: I answer anything.
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's Bill or it's Jerry or whatever.
• 1:53:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't know I owned this.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even have an American Express card, but thanks.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_02: Jim, when you and Don do the one together,
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_02: obviously it's like,
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_02: is it like a skit kind of thing you already have planned going into this?
• 1:53:26
  SPEAKER_02: How does it kind of the process of doing these work?
• 1:53:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is it just on point, like just sporadic?
• 1:53:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, talk about how you do them.
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we have an idea and then other times we just pick up the phone and wing it
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_00: and then we'll hear something.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, we'll go in this direction.
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was a call where,
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_00: you know when they always say this is going to be recorded for quality purposes?
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_00: They always give it a warning.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_00: So we had a good idea.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, as soon as they say that, Don's going to go, oh, man, is this the Amazon people?
• 1:53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because Amazon sent me a pair of sneakers and actually sent two when I never sent it back.
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope I'm not going to get in trouble.
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_00: I go, now you just admitted a crime on a recorded line.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_00: So now, like, miss, is there any way we can get that tape?
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't want them to get in trouble.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a whole thing, like there's a tape.
• 1:54:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, well, no, it's just, I go, we have to find that tape.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_00: Are you in Jersey?
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_00: We'll come get it.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_00: Please, could you beat that out?
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is there anything?
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just fuck it over.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that one, we just came off the top after that.
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end, we were on the phone for 50 minutes.
• 1:54:25
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, all right, where do we go with this?
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, all right, I'm going to pretend I'm the Amazon driver, knocks on the door.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_00: You play a character, you're the Amazon, and arrest me.
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, okay, we just ad-libbed that.
• 1:54:37
  SPEAKER_00: At the end, we're whispering.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_00: We cut that out, but you can hear us whispering as the woman's babbling.
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then he knocks.
• 1:54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, I'm in my basement.
• 1:54:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's my basement door.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_00: I knock.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like the Amazon driver would come to pick up the sneakers, and he's going to arrest us.
• 1:54:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I had a gunshot sound on my phone,
• 1:54:53
  SPEAKER_00: and I just wound up hitting it because I knew we were going to lose her.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how it ends the call, that I shoot the Amazon driver.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I'm not going to jail over a pair of sneakers.
• 1:55:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's too funny, man.
• 1:55:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the record's great, man.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and I'm not just kissing your ass.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's really...
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm old school, you know, like I'm sure you are as well.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I couldn't wait to get Jerky Boys and, you know, all the various...
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Even in the old,
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_01: old days,
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_01: remember when people used to just have them on tapes and you didn't even know
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_01: who made them.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_01: They just floated around on cassettes.
• 1:55:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I used to listen to them all.
• 1:55:27
  SPEAKER_01: I love phony phone calls.
• 1:55:29
  SPEAKER_01: So the fact that you're still doing them...
• 1:55:31
  SPEAKER_01: How do you get away with it, though?
• 1:55:35
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was illegal unless you told them.
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:55:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's different if it's outgoing calls.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can get charged with harassment now.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_00: But these are all incoming.
• 1:55:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're calling my house.
• 1:55:48
  SPEAKER_00: So technically, as long as you beep out the name and company, you're safe, even if you don't.
• 1:55:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey.
• 1:55:53
  SPEAKER_00: They're calling me, so they can't charge me for anything.
• 1:55:57
  SPEAKER_00: But when I call out, we did with Crank Anchors, they always had to get a release.
• 1:56:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_00: And people would get mad, too.
• 1:56:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's the advantage I have.
• 1:56:05
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone hates telemarketers.
• 1:56:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_00: So no one feels bad for the telemarketer, no matter what me or Don do to them.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's ever going to sue you for being mean to a telemarketer.
• 1:56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 1:56:17
  SPEAKER_00: He went over the line on that one.
• 1:56:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because I do it just,
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_01: not recording or maybe I should set myself up to start recording them
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_01: because I don't know what it is that they constantly call.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently there's some girl named Alexandria that must use my phone number for shit.
• 1:56:38
  SPEAKER_01: And she'll call or somebody will call and be like, yeah, we're calling for Alexandria.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, this is Alex.
• 1:56:46
  SPEAKER_01: What do you need?
• 1:56:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll just go whatever they're going with.
• 1:56:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just wing it.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I owe how much money?
• 1:56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:56:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_00: You should start recording them, Chris, because you can record them on your cell phone.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:57:03
  SPEAKER_00: It warns them, though, which sucks.
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_00: They go, this call is being recorded.
• 1:57:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of telemarketers will hang up when they hear it from my cell phone.
• 1:57:09
  SPEAKER_00: I have a landline, and I have a recorder hooked right up.
• 1:57:12
  SPEAKER_00: So as soon as I pick up, it starts recording.
• 1:57:14
  SPEAKER_00: So they have no idea.
• 1:57:15
  SPEAKER_00: The cell phone, the quality isn't as good.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I think they sell these numbers, these telemarketers.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you pick up the phone once, then they just sell it to all these other companies.
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's why you get bombarded.
• 1:57:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I love it.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_00: When a friend calls, I go, I know you're a telemarketer.
• 1:57:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm waiting.
• 1:57:32
  SPEAKER_00: I got to go.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, I should start.
• 1:57:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because I have my whole Mac and whatever set up.
• 1:57:40
  SPEAKER_01: It'll ring right here.
• 1:57:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I could just screen capture everything right here.
• 1:57:44
  SPEAKER_01: I might miss the hello.
• 1:57:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is.
• 1:57:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Mahib from wherever, but whatever.
• 1:57:52
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes,
• 1:57:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 1:57:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give you,
• 1:57:54
  SPEAKER_01: feel free to steal this one if you want,
• 1:57:56
  SPEAKER_01: because this drives them fucking crazy and they will not hang up.
• 1:58:00
  SPEAKER_01: I do this one a lot.
• 1:58:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go in and they'll say, well, this is so-and-so from whatever, mortgage company or whatever.
• 1:58:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll just pretend like I'm some old man and I just am not hearing them,
• 1:58:12
  SPEAKER_01: like I have dementia.
• 1:58:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be like, Bill?
• 1:58:15
  SPEAKER_01: Bill Watson?
• 1:58:16
  SPEAKER_01: And they'll be like, no, no, this is Frank from ABC Credit.
• 1:58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Bill, how have you been?
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't talked to you since you moved to Florida.
• 1:58:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I will just keep trucking through them until they hang up.
• 1:58:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they get crazy because they think they've got the guy.
• 1:58:33
  SPEAKER_01: So they won't hang up.
• 1:58:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're trying to do the...
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's make a settlement plan or whatever it is that they do.
• 1:58:42
  SPEAKER_00: How many people hang up on them, say, don't ever call again, lose this number, do not call us.
• 1:58:47
  SPEAKER_00: So just that they have somebody like,
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_00: holy shit, this is weird, but I might be able to get a sale here.
• 1:58:53
  SPEAKER_00: So you always have that advantage.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Matt.
• 1:58:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I mean,
• 1:58:59
  SPEAKER_02: I actually wanted to ask you something that's a little off this,
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_02: Jim, in terms of AI and comedy now.
• 1:59:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, obviously that's a big deal.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's the one thing I think that AI probably could not do good at all.
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever just,
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_02: for shits and giggles,
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_02: like Curiosity fucked around with it and,
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_02: you know, tested it just to see what would come up?
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_00: I did, and it's terrible.
• 1:59:19
  SPEAKER_00: I figured that.
• 1:59:21
  SPEAKER_00: I said, let me just try this.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_00: I came up with a scenario, my kid's going to start driving soon.
• 1:59:29
  SPEAKER_00: Give me some jokes as a parent.
• 1:59:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they were like the worst jokes.
• 1:59:33
  SPEAKER_00: I go, okay, can you make them edgier?
• 1:59:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, you want them edgier?
• 1:59:37
  SPEAKER_00: No problem.
• 1:59:38
  SPEAKER_00: They were rated G still.
• 1:59:40
  SPEAKER_00: I said, the darkest possible jokes ever.
• 1:59:44
  SPEAKER_00: And like the darkest one they come up with.
• 1:59:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was in a car, my son, he was driving for the first time.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_00: I told him, pull over.
• 1:59:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I puked or something like that.
• 1:59:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's completely lame.
• 1:59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think they just, AI gets it from like memes on the internet.
• 1:59:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's where they get the idea.
• 2:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: As far as writing stand-up comedy,
• 2:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: it's terrible,
• 2:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: but I use it in other things and it's great to make up like tour posters
• 2:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: and shit like that.
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: For sure, yeah.
• 2:00:16
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• 2:00:24
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• 2:00:26
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• 2:00:30
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• 2:00:32
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• 2:00:33
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• 2:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, look, I've always been behind on everything.
• 2:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think I was the last guy in the world to have a BlackBerry.
• 2:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't get an iPhone.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I've always been stubborn about all the shit.
• 2:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: I go, let me embrace this shit.
• 2:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I got ChatGPT.
• 2:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: I got to fucking pay $24.95 a month.
• 2:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: My kids, it helps them with his homework.
• 2:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: I do a bunch of shit on there, so I love it.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: Do you get, because I get just murdered for using it.
• 2:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking about that earlier.
• 2:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I proudly say, yep, I use it because I'm not an artist.
• 2:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do art.
• 2:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like my shit to look like it's clip art.
• 2:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: And in today's world, that's what it would look like if I don't.
• 2:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: If I don't use it,
• 2:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to have my clip art shit up against everything else that's being done
• 2:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: with AI on YouTube.
• 2:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: And guess who's not going to get anybody to listen?
• 2:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: I had a guy doing my tour post.
• 2:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: He charged me like 20 bucks.
• 2:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: And here's some dates updated.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be like, I think the first date would pass before he'd get back to me with the tour post.
• 2:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, my car broke down.
• 2:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: I got this.
• 2:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: I go, I don't want to fucking deal with it.
• 2:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Within three minutes, I have a poster done.
• 2:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 2:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: I want to
• 2:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: be my own boss in most of the shit because I get,
• 2:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: it's frustrating dealing with other people that don't give a shit, which I get.
• 2:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's making 20 bucks.
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: He don't give a fuck.
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: But so I like it.
• 2:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: I embrace it.
• 2:01:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm the same way.
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I would never use it for, like,
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: I know I watch the Who Are These Podcast guys a lot,
• 2:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: and they feature that guy,
• 2:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: what's the guy's name, something, Banfield, Jim Banfield, or Jerry Banfield.
• 2:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: And he literally preps his show with ChatGPT.
• 2:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, okay, I'm going to do an episode.
• 2:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: I want to talk about crypto.
• 2:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Give me some points.
• 2:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then he comes on and just reads his point.
• 2:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I would never do that.
• 2:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: I would never do the
• 2:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: creative stuff.
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as the poster, like you have right here, it's great.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, what are you going to do?
• 2:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to send it to an artist every week?
• 2:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, can you get it done when it's going to cost?
• 2:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: That would probably cost $100 or something like that.
• 2:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck that.
• 2:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, it cost me 30 seconds.
• 2:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 2:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, you've been out at a lot, a lot of shows over the past year.
• 2:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I made a list.
• 2:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: I made a list of every concert I went to.
• 2:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll read off all the bands I saw, and you guys can ask me questions.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 2:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm prepared.
• 2:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't put in a chat GPT either.
• 2:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 2:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: These are the ones I saw since May.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Foo Fighters, Kid Rock.
• 2:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sammy Hagar,
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: God Smackin' Stone Temple Pilots together,
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: Lynyrd Skynyrd and Foreigner together,
• 2:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: Five Finger Death Punch,
• 2:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Guns N' Roses,
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson together, Twisted Sister, Iron Maiden, Ted Nugent.
• 2:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, since we were talking right before you came on about Sebastian,
• 2:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't know if you even heard what we were talking about or whatever, but we...
• 2:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it was AI.
• 2:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sebastian,
• 2:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: we kind of ripped it,
• 2:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and we'll get to how the show wasn't met, but we ripped it pretty good.
• 2:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 2:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: the whole Sebastian and Twisted Sister thing that it just doesn't feel right to me,
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: but whatever.
• 2:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: And of course,
• 2:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: he had to jump in and make some shit comment about our AI being bad
• 2:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: and not looking like him.
• 2:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: Sebastian did?
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: He went on our...
• 2:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: The fans aren't going to see it because I don't have a share for you.
• 2:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: I see the picture.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I see it.
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: Here's his comment right here at the top.
• 2:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: It says, what the hell is going on with your bullshit AI picture that looks nothing like me?
• 2:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: Your site is a complete joke.
• 2:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for the update from your mom's basement.
• 2:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: To which I responded, hey Baz, our AI is no worse than your man-made album cover.
• 2:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thank God this basement has plenty of room and is comfortable.
• 2:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now go back to begging your wife for forgiveness or singing someone else's songs
• 2:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: or begging to win the Skid Row singer search.
• 2:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, just so you can see, here's my AI and there's his album cover.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: Which one looks more like Sebastian Bach?
• 2:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: Which album is that?
• 2:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the newest one, Child, Within the Man.
• 2:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay, right, yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, look, I mean,
• 2:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: it doesn't totally look like Sebastian, but it's not bad, I know.
• 2:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Believe me, when I put it sometime in ChatGPT, you're like, that's not me.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: You
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: know what I mean?
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I get it's a little off, but what are you going to do?
• 2:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean...
• 2:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: Of these two that you're looking at right now,
• 2:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: which one would you,
• 2:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: if you just saw him blind, which one would you think is Sebastian Bach?
• 2:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 2:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 2:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: But, look, I don't know.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: I have a special place in my heart for Sebastian.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love his music.
• 2:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's still amazing on stage.
• 2:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: I never heard him hit a bad note ever.
• 2:05:41
  SPEAKER_00: We like our guys a little out there causing problems.
• 2:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: I love that about him.
• 2:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: I get along with him really well.
• 2:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I was at that Twisted Sister show, the first one they did in Jersey.
• 2:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us, good, bad, what?
• 2:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have to realize, I was seeing Twisted Sister when I was 15 years old.
• 2:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: I was sneaking in clubs.
• 2:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 2:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so I saw them before they even had their first album out.
• 2:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: They would do 3,000 people on a Monday night.
• 2:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 2:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was insane.
• 2:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so I went with them, you know, huge on the East Coast.
• 2:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: And when they got back together,
• 2:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
• 2:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: okay, you know, it sucks that Mark the Animal Mendoza's not back in the band.
• 2:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what happened there.
• 2:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then when Dee backed out, you know, they had a whole tour of Europe booked for the summer.
• 2:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: They were going to do a headline, these smaller like metal festivals and shit like that.
• 2:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: They were over there for like three months.
• 2:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then when Dee had to back out,
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: they had like eight other dates booked in the fall, like the dates to do.
• 2:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: And now they go, all right, let's just do them.
• 2:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because they canceled the summer tour.
• 2:06:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the festivals and stuff.
• 2:06:50
  SPEAKER_00: They go, let's just do it.
• 2:06:51
  SPEAKER_00: We want a singer.
• 2:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Sebastian's been a fan.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: He was around on the East Coast when they were big and shit like that.
• 2:06:57
  SPEAKER_00: And he's not doing a whole tour.
• 2:06:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, they're not doing an album.
• 2:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're not going to go overseas next summer and do these festivals.
• 2:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you say that now, but J.J.'s already saying, well, we might do music.
• 2:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: J.J. said that.
• 2:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: Unless he's mad at D. I don't think that's happening.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:07:17
  SPEAKER_01: He could be very mad at Dee,
• 2:07:18
  SPEAKER_01: the fact that he's playing clubs instead of big shows because Dee doesn't want
• 2:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: to come out.
• 2:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, Twisted Sister was never an arena band.
• 2:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: They were bigger overseas than they were in the States.
• 2:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: England took a liking them.
• 2:07:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can't stop rock and roll.
• 2:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: They had to go over to England.
• 2:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: Under the Blade, the first record, that was over in England.
• 2:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: They had to get a record deal there.
• 2:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: But look, being at that show...
• 2:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: Listen to those songs and,
• 2:07:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know, since I was 15 years old, I thought he did a great job with it.
• 2:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you see the stuff online,
• 2:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know, when you're in that venue at that moment, it sounds way better.
• 2:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: It just does.
• 2:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: The energy of the crowd and everything,
• 2:08:00
  SPEAKER_00: everybody knew the songs and he did them justice, you know.
• 2:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it's not the same band as a bunch of guys.
• 2:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: JJ and Eddie O'Hare are the only two originals.
• 2:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: But like I said,
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: they're doing like seven or eight shows,
• 2:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: doing a couple of fairs and some casinos and stuff like that.
• 2:08:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's supposedly going to be it.
• 2:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Sebastian's solo career has taken off because Skid Row hasn't done anything in five years.
• 2:08:23
  SPEAKER_00: So people want to hear those songs, and he's the guy singing on them.
• 2:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: So he doesn't necessarily need Twisted Sister at this point.
• 2:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's just a big fan of the band.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think from hearing it that it sounded like Twisted Sister,
• 2:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: or did it sound like Sebastian Bach doing Twisted Sister?
• 2:08:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because that was kind of my read from it.
• 2:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think it was horrible.
• 2:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think it was...
• 2:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, modern day Dokken or whatever.
• 2:08:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I thought it was okay, but I thought it sounded like Sebastian doing covers.
• 2:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't sound like twist.
• 2:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's some about D's energy that is definitely missing from this.
• 2:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're right.
• 2:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 2:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: But it also is three other original band members are missing too.
• 2:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it could be the other music, the bass, the drums and all that other stuff.
• 2:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, It wasn't exactly, but do you want it exactly?
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_00: It sounded good, and people got mad that they're doing the Skid Row songs.
• 2:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why not at the end of the show?
• 2:09:29
  SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
• 2:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm going to push back on that then, too.
• 2:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with them doing one.
• 2:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: One.
• 2:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: Twisted Sister had exactly one ballad in their catalog.
• 2:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: They don't do ballads.
• 2:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: So why is they up there doing I Remember You and having,
• 2:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: what, J.J. or Eddie's daughter or something singing with it?
• 2:09:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know,
• 2:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think maybe because it was an East Coast show and Sebastian used to live here
• 2:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: in Jersey and his daughter came up and sang with them and
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_00: then Eddie's daughter sang another one.
• 2:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they're doing the two songs.
• 2:10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're only doing the one on the other dates that they did.
• 2:10:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 2:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: But you got Sebastian up there.
• 2:10:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: At the end, you throw him in.
• 2:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that big.
• 2:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like you're missing.
• 2:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I love all the deep cuts.
• 2:10:15
  SPEAKER_00: But most of the Twisted Sister fans are not like,
• 2:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: oh, my God, they didn't play this song because they played the Skid Row song.
• 2:10:22
  SPEAKER_00: So nobody was complaining about that.
• 2:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 2:10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Jim, are you of the mindset that if people are just willing to buy,
• 2:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: you know, to go and pay and see this stuff, that it's fine?
• 2:10:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is there like a musical integrity thing you think there has to be where there's like
• 2:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: a line to draw?
• 2:10:35
  SPEAKER_02: With the whole band versus brand thing, what's your kind of take on?
• 2:10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're talking to a guy that saw Lynyrd Skynyrd and Farner.
• 2:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say that exactly.
• 2:10:42
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 2:10:46
  SPEAKER_02: All right, there's your answer.
• 2:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, it is a little weird with the foreigner thing, at least with Skinner, you know.
• 2:10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Got a Van Zandt there.
• 2:10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Got a Van Zandt.
• 2:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then I guess – He's been there 35 or 40 years, too.
• 2:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Ricky Medlock, I guess, was originally in Skinner.
• 2:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: He was on no albums, but he was
• 2:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: the original lineup, I think.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, I don't know.
• 2:11:07
  SPEAKER_00: For me, there's like a couple of bands I'd like to see every summer.
• 2:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know every song.
• 2:11:11
  SPEAKER_00: You just, you know, it's outdoor amphitheater.
• 2:11:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're drinking beers.
• 2:11:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're tailgating.
• 2:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: You go see them.
• 2:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's a fun show.
• 2:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, but yeah, it is a little weird when you got no original members.
• 2:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: And most of the crowd doesn't even know, which is crazy.
• 2:11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:11:25
  SPEAKER_00: They don't know and they don't care.
• 2:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Did you buy those tickets or did you make a call?
• 2:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, I bought them.
• 2:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: I always buy tickets and then I say, hey, I'm here.
• 2:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then maybe they'll get me backstage or whatever, but I always buy.
• 2:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: But then you're the perfect one to ask about this.
• 2:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you.
• 2:11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, for me, I don't give a shit who's on the stage.
• 2:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't.
• 2:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want a good show.
• 2:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if they use tracks.
• 2:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if there's no original members.
• 2:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: If it sounds good, I'll go see Molly Hatchett 15 times.
• 2:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's nobody left, but it sounds good.
• 2:12:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm fine with that until it comes to the price.
• 2:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then, I mean, what was Foreigner and Skinner?
• 2:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: It had to be $100 and a half.
• 2:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably like $120, $130.
• 2:12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come on.
• 2:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's for no original.
• 2:12:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's for two tribute bands.
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: That do it well, but it's two tribute bands.
• 2:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:12:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're right.
• 2:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but people pay it and they get away with it.
• 2:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: People pay $75 to park where they don't want to walk like, you know, another 500 yards.
• 2:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's how spoiled people are.
• 2:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm a fat guy.
• 2:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I do a bit of my new comedy special.
• 2:12:41
  SPEAKER_00: I have a handicap parking pass.
• 2:12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I park right in the front of this venue near the PNC Arts Center near my house.
• 2:12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I park in the front row every time.
• 2:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the only time I use it is when I go there.
• 2:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm not parking a mile away on the grass and walking and shit like that.
• 2:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because what happened was my grandmother passed away like eight years ago.
• 2:13:02
  SPEAKER_00: And there's seven of us in the family and people,
• 2:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: there was almost fistfights in our family fighting over her stuff.
• 2:13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Antique tables from the 50s, a fork from fucking, I think, that Ty Cobb ate off of.
• 2:13:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I just saw the handicapped parker pass and go, this is the only thing I want.
• 2:13:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I walked away with it.
• 2:13:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's the fucking greatest thing ever.
• 2:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: It never even expires.
• 2:13:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing, yeah.
• 2:13:26
  SPEAKER_02: Did you say you attended the Maiden show at all, Jim?
• 2:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to us about how that was.
• 2:13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Best I've ever seen Maiden since,
• 2:13:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know, I saw Maiden with Diano as a kid in 1981, open for Priest.
• 2:13:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember that being amazing, but I was a little kid then.
• 2:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: But this is the best I've seen him since then.
• 2:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Mostly because of the set list too.
• 2:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Was just amazing.
• 2:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you open with four songs from Killer.
• 2:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Are you fucking killers?
• 2:13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 2:13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:13:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if you go in the Phantom or the Opera, fuck out of here.
• 2:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think about this new discussion that's out there about
• 2:14:05
  SPEAKER_01: when they record whatever becomes the next thing about having Nico back in?
• 2:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes or no?
• 2:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what?
• 2:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're playing the album?
• 2:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, he wants to, right?
• 2:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: He wants to.
• 2:14:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's, do they,
• 2:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: you know, this is where it becomes Band of Brothers versus this is the guy we hired.
• 2:14:30
  SPEAKER_01: That would be pretty insulting to the guy that they brought into the band
• 2:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: if they say, okay, well, you go take a break.
• 2:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to bring in the other guy to play.
• 2:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's the same thing with the Sabbath 13 record.
• 2:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: And look at how it was received.
• 2:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Tommy didn't play on it, but he did the tour.
• 2:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about that.
• 2:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's a tough one.
• 2:14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I get it.
• 2:14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nico's being what a 45-year musician is.
• 2:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's got the itch again.
• 2:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: He may not be able to do it anymore, but he's got the itch.
• 2:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a little tribute band down in Florida.
• 2:15:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's playing, doing main stuff.
• 2:15:10
  SPEAKER_00: They should let him play on the record because you could do 50 takes if he messes up.
• 2:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let him play on the record and he can't be the touring drummer.
• 2:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think they'll let him play if they're going to do another record.
• 2:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think what they should,
• 2:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: and again,
• 2:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: this is just me,
• 2:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: some dummy with a microphone,
• 2:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: so I have no knowledge or anything, but it would make sense to let him do a song.
• 2:15:33
  SPEAKER_01: It would actually be better,
• 2:15:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 2:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: instead of having to do it 43 different takes to get one good,
• 2:15:40
  SPEAKER_01: especially with that Maiden music, which is so, you know, technical.
• 2:15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Would he be willing to do just one?
• 2:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's the key.
• 2:15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not because of the ego.
• 2:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: But if he's doing a maiden tribute thing in Florida,
• 2:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: the bars, if it's that awful, he just wouldn't do it, I'm sure.
• 2:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I saw him on the last tour.
• 2:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I saw him like in October of last year.
• 2:16:01
  SPEAKER_00: They played Brooklyn on that, what, Somewhere in Time tour.
• 2:16:04
  SPEAKER_00: They were doing most of that album.
• 2:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he was playing drums.
• 2:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't see a big difference in it.
• 2:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: But they said he was kind of like couldn't keep the beat up.
• 2:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they got rid of him.
• 2:16:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it was only like a year ago that they got rid of him
• 2:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: that he was still doing two-hour shows with them.
• 2:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look, at this point, I love Maiden, but we don't need another Iron Maiden record.
• 2:16:24
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with that, too.
• 2:16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we don't need another one.
• 2:16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because the next time they tour, they'll do six songs off of it that are 17 minutes long.
• 2:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:16:34
  SPEAKER_00: I can take an hour break at the concert.
• 2:16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I wouldn't be opposed to Bruce Dickinson laying off the solo records as well.
• 2:16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that last record did nothing for me.
• 2:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people liked it.
• 2:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: I did not like it at all.
• 2:16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're getting part two of that?
• 2:16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know.
• 2:16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Those singers always want to go do something on their own.
• 2:16:53
  SPEAKER_00: They think they're bigger than the band.
• 2:16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let them do their little side project, get it out of the way so they come back to the real band.
• 2:16:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's the way I look at it.
• 2:17:00
  SPEAKER_01: The only problem with Dickinson,
• 2:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: though, he really believes that everything that he touches is gold.
• 2:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he's been right on that a lot.
• 2:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding, those are some really fucking good records.
• 2:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they're good enough that everybody kind of forgets
• 2:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: that there was also Skunk Works and there was also whatever that last one was,
• 2:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: the Mandalorian Project.
• 2:17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Mandrake or something.
• 2:17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the Mandrake Effect or whatever.
• 2:17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And that was just boring.
• 2:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I don't know.
• 2:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you, though.
• 2:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, just play your songs.
• 2:17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think at their age, it's tough.
• 2:17:37
  SPEAKER_00: You run out of riffs and you run out of ideas in a band and stuff like that.
• 2:17:42
  SPEAKER_00: You wrote your great stuff years ago.
• 2:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's really tough to pull that off 40 years later to put out an amazing record.
• 2:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Not too many bands could do it.
• 2:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 2:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: This one comes from the chat room.
• 2:17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Brian in the chat wants to know if you are going to go see Metallica at The Sphere.
• 2:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I probably will, but not right away.
• 2:18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen Metallica like 20, 25 times.
• 2:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen the stadium tour that they've been doing the two different nights.
• 2:18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm tired of the stadium shows, even though I'm going to see ACDC next week at a stadium.
• 2:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I probably will go see them at the sphere.
• 2:18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: They just announced Cleveland here.
• 2:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: I did go see the first...
• 2:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to believe the fucking 72 seasons tours five years on.
• 2:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, all right, I'm ready.
• 2:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Enough.
• 2:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: But they just announced here, what, Them Limp Bizkit and Avatar, I think.
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even fathom what those tickets are going to cost for any kind of a decent seat.
• 2:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: But I did see it.
• 2:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: I might come to Cleveland maybe next summer for that.
• 2:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be cool.
• 2:18:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great stadium and stuff too.
• 2:18:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll tell you, man,
• 2:18:51
  SPEAKER_00: I got to be honest,
• 2:18:52
  SPEAKER_00: 17 Seasons was the only Metallica record I couldn't get into and I still can't get
• 2:18:56
  SPEAKER_00: into.
• 2:18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 2:18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, interesting.
• 2:18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Besides the first song, Lexi Kerner, whatever the fuck it was, that was a great one.
• 2:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was old school.
• 2:19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Other than that, I can't.
• 2:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: I try.
• 2:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: You don't like Shadows Fade?
• 2:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just, I don't know, man.
• 2:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: The songs, even though, look, I like St. Anger way better than 72 Seasons.
• 2:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think you just lost kind of their will to make great music?
• 2:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess I get it.
• 2:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: They're at that age.
• 2:19:23
  SPEAKER_02: They've done everything that a band could do.
• 2:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think it's just that they're at the point where it's just like,
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, like I said, there's 72 seasons.
• 2:19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's got a couple of good songs.
• 2:19:34
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with you.
• 2:19:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not a huge fan of it,
• 2:19:36
  SPEAKER_02: but I just think kind of musically,
• 2:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, do we need, you said, do we need another Iron Maiden record?
• 2:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Do we need another Metallica record?
• 2:19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll tell you, you know, Hardwired was good.
• 2:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Out of the nine songs on there, was five really good songs.
• 2:19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 2:19:49
  SPEAKER_00: There was like four clunkers on there.
• 2:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: But Death Magnetic, the album before that, I loved that record.
• 2:19:54
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was a great record.
• 2:19:56
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, Lars even said, like, this was our pandemic record.
• 2:19:59
  SPEAKER_00: So they wrote it during the pandemic.
• 2:20:01
  SPEAKER_00: They were on laptops.
• 2:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: They probably weren't in the same room to deal with all that shit.
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_01: That video for If Darkness Comes or whatever that was.
• 2:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, they all shot it in their living rooms, like walking around.
• 2:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like Robert Trujillo is walking through his living room playing bass in the video.
• 2:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:20:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, I noticed something,
• 2:20:21
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: during the pandemic,
• 2:20:23
  SPEAKER_00: like for like the first five months, I didn't get on stage probably like month four.
• 2:20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't come up with any material.
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• 2:21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like I thought I have all this free time.
• 2:21:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'll write a bunch of stuff.
• 2:21:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be ready when everything opens up back up.
• 2:21:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then my friend's like, yeah, well, you're not living life.
• 2:21:12
  SPEAKER_00: So there's nothing.
• 2:21:13
  SPEAKER_00: What are you going to write about?
• 2:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're not doing anything.
• 2:21:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's what the band stood.
• 2:21:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're just stuck in a fucking room.
• 2:21:20
  SPEAKER_00: We got to create.
• 2:21:21
  SPEAKER_00: We got to do something.
• 2:21:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why it wasn't that good.
• 2:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think James Hetfield needs to start drinking again.
• 2:21:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's that simple.
• 2:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what anybody says.
• 2:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: It changed the minute he put the booze down.
• 2:21:36
  SPEAKER_01: It did.
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I hate these shows.
• 2:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, hate them.
• 2:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: And Metallica is my second favorite band of all time.
• 2:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Who's your favorite band?
• 2:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Pantera.
• 2:21:45
  SPEAKER_01: I loved Pantera, but I've seen Metallica 40 some odd times.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: When I lived in California,
• 2:21:52
  SPEAKER_01: this is a true story,
• 2:21:53
  SPEAKER_01: I sent my wife and kid back here to Ohio two weeks before I went because I had
• 2:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: to go see Metallica in San Francisco, Sacramento, and Reno.
• 2:22:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I stayed two extra weeks just to see them.
• 2:22:08
  SPEAKER_00: No wonder you're divorced.
• 2:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no kidding.
• 2:22:13
  SPEAKER_01: That is the truth.
• 2:22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Believe me, believe me, if that was the only reason that I might be fighting her.
• 2:22:19
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I mean, dude, they went and you've seen you saw him back in the day, obviously.
• 2:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: They went from if James saw one guy in Section 550 that was sitting down,
• 2:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: he would motherfucker that guy to death.
• 2:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: He'd be like, hey, you fucking pussy, get up.
• 2:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he would he would.
• 2:22:41
  SPEAKER_01: They would be pissed.
• 2:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like they were angry.
• 2:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: And now when you go and see those shows,
• 2:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: and I've seen them on every tour so far, including 72 seasons.
• 2:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now this bullshit of, hey friends, the Metallica family's here, friends.
• 2:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for supporting the family.
• 2:22:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, ugh.
• 2:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
• 2:23:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is not Bible study.
• 2:23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm singing Die by My Hands,
• 2:23:06
  SPEAKER_01: and you're singing, hey, friends, here's a nine-year-old that's at his first show.
• 2:23:10
  SPEAKER_01: How wonderful.
• 2:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like I was saying earlier when I first came on, he's evolved as a human.
• 2:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't.
• 2:23:20
  SPEAKER_00: If that was me and I was James, like, get the fuck up.
• 2:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Who's that motherfucker back there?
• 2:23:26
  SPEAKER_00: You bought a $12 ticket and you got to sit down?
• 2:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 2:23:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he's evolved as a human, and that's why he's like that.
• 2:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: He should be saying, take your fucking nine-year-old and hit it.
• 2:23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Get out of the way.
• 2:23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Too funny, man.
• 2:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: But let me tell you, the best band out of the whole summer.
• 2:23:45
  SPEAKER_00: I saw Foo Fighters in a little club,
• 2:23:47
  SPEAKER_00: the Starland Ballroom, the same place where Tristan's sister played.
• 2:23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Why were they in a small club?
• 2:23:51
  SPEAKER_00: They did two club shows right when the album came out.
• 2:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:23:55
  SPEAKER_00: I did an urban plaza in New York, and I went up getting tickets, and I took my son there.
• 2:24:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was fucking awesome to see him at a club.
• 2:24:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't need to see him in a stadium.
• 2:24:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just saw him in a fucking rock club, which is great, so it saved me.
• 2:24:08
  SPEAKER_00: But out of all the shows I saw this summer, best band, Marilyn Manson.
• 2:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 2:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's sober now, right?
• 2:24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Sober, phenomenal.
• 2:24:17
  SPEAKER_00: I saw him back in the day when he was cutting himself on stage.
• 2:24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:24:20
  SPEAKER_00: He was great.
• 2:24:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then the last, like, eight years...
• 2:24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Before he got Me Too'd,
• 2:24:25
  SPEAKER_00: he was terrible because he was drinking, he was out of shape, he didn't give a fuck.
• 2:24:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he's been sober, I guess, for like five, six years now.
• 2:24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Unbelievable.
• 2:24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Blew Rob Zombie off the stage.
• 2:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's not hard.
• 2:24:37
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:24:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, but he's open for Zombie a bunch of times.
• 2:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: And Rob's always, you know, it's not even close because Marilyn was always in a bad spot.
• 2:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: He just wasn't, the show was like, ah, it's okay.
• 2:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:24:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but once he got sober, my son's been to like 20, no, 43 shows now.
• 2:24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And he's seen like these big country guys like Morgan Wallen and all those guys.
• 2:24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 2:24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because I never heard a bigger response than when Marilyn Manson walked on
• 2:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: that stage opening for Rob Zombie at like eight o'clock.
• 2:25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:25:07
  SPEAKER_00: The crowd was going crazy and he just fucking killed it.
• 2:25:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was great.
• 2:25:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's great live, man.
• 2:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 2:25:13
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed him in the drunk years.
• 2:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I'll tell you, this is a fun story.
• 2:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: There used to be,
• 2:25:19
  SPEAKER_01: for like 10 seconds,
• 2:25:21
  SPEAKER_01: there was a TV thing that was trying to start up called Yebo TV.
• 2:25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you even heard of it or remember it.
• 2:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of like a...
• 2:25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Remember when Fuse was out there being like the alternative to MTV before MTV quit?
• 2:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, well...
• 2:25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And Yebo was another one,
• 2:25:42
  SPEAKER_01: and it was based in Ohio,
• 2:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: but they were in like four or five states,
• 2:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: and they were just trying to get their feet in the water, so to speak.
• 2:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they hired me to interview Manson and Slayer.
• 2:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Remember when they were touring together?
• 2:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Was that the late 90s or whatever?
• 2:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I ain't gonna lie, I was nervous as hell to interview Manson.
• 2:26:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought...
• 2:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: This guy's such a fucking weirdo.
• 2:26:08
  SPEAKER_01: If I ask him a question that he thinks is dumb,
• 2:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: he's just going to get up and walk on me, or he might punch me in the mouth.
• 2:26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 2:26:14
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
• 2:26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Could not have been a cooler guy.
• 2:26:17
  SPEAKER_01: He was just in the chair, very chill, very, oh, what do you think about this?
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_01: He was pretty cool to talk to.
• 2:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Really, the only one in that whole thing that was a dick out of all of them was Kerry King.
• 2:26:29
  SPEAKER_01: He just was like,
• 2:26:30
  SPEAKER_01: he didn't want to be there,
• 2:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: and he didn't want to do this dumb interview,
• 2:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: and he was like, All right, fatso, what do you fucking want?
• 2:26:38
  SPEAKER_00: He comes off very standoffish.
• 2:26:40
  SPEAKER_00: He definitely does.
• 2:26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I toured with Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax.
• 2:26:45
  SPEAKER_00: I did like 30 shows with them.
• 2:26:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the first two weeks, I would see Carrie in catering, just hanging out.
• 2:26:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, he's going to be mad.
• 2:26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, once you start talking, he's the sweetest guy in the world.
• 2:26:59
  SPEAKER_00: But he goes, yeah, I have to because these fucking bands are crazy.
• 2:27:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I just play like, don't fuck with me.
• 2:27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, he does that well.
• 2:27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he definitely does.
• 2:27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of you opening for a lot of those bands,
• 2:27:12
  SPEAKER_02: what's been like the worst reception you ever got when you were doing those?
• 2:27:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was just talking to Jason McMaster last night.
• 2:27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: He does a podcast and I was on it.
• 2:27:24
  SPEAKER_00: He was at the show,
• 2:27:25
  SPEAKER_00: the first show of that Slayer Megadeth Anthrax store that I opened in 2010
• 2:27:29
  SPEAKER_00: in San Antonio, Texas.
• 2:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:27:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I was doing five minute sets in between each band,
• 2:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: like five minutes before Anthrax, five before Megadeth, five before Slayer.
• 2:27:40
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, most of the crowd knew me from that metal show was on at that point.
• 2:27:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I had an advantage for like the first couple of minutes that they give me
• 2:27:46
  SPEAKER_00: a You know, a break.
• 2:27:48
  SPEAKER_00: And when Anthrax went on, the venue was like a third full and they were great.
• 2:27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Megadeth was okay.
• 2:27:54
  SPEAKER_00: By the time Slayer came on, they didn't want nothing to do with me.
• 2:27:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, enough, dude.
• 2:27:58
  SPEAKER_00: We know you tell jokes.
• 2:27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Get the fuck off the stage.
• 2:28:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the same drunk guy in the audience when the local DJ comes up
• 2:28:04
  SPEAKER_00: that never played any Iron Maiden songs from K-Rock.
• 2:28:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, we're K-Rock.
• 2:28:10
  SPEAKER_00: We're here.
• 2:28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, fuck you.
• 2:28:11
  SPEAKER_00: You never play.
• 2:28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, get off the stage.
• 2:28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:28:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Iron Man can play one more song because you're up there babbling.
• 2:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, that's not the case.
• 2:28:19
  SPEAKER_00: They all have set times and stuff.
• 2:28:22
  SPEAKER_00: But that San Antonio show,
• 2:28:23
  SPEAKER_00: so the third set I had to do before Slayer,
• 2:28:27
  SPEAKER_00: they had this big stage show, so they had the whole stage covered.
• 2:28:30
  SPEAKER_00: So the curtain came all out to the end.
• 2:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to do my third set at the soundboard in the middle of the arena.
• 2:28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So all of a sudden, right,
• 2:28:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:28:38
  SPEAKER_00: 10 minutes before Slayer's going on,
• 2:28:39
  SPEAKER_00: doing five minutes,
• 2:28:40
  SPEAKER_00: the spotlight comes on me,
• 2:28:42
  SPEAKER_00: the lights go out, the spotlight comes on me at the soundboard.
• 2:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has to turn around thinking Slayer's coming on.
• 2:28:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, how you guys doing?
• 2:28:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm back for a third time.
• 2:28:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was fucking nuts.
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Missiles coming at me, beers, full beers, water.
• 2:28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was like Dane Cook fucking moving around on stage.
• 2:28:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't move at all.
• 2:28:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fucking dodging.
• 2:29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I see the shit coming at me.
• 2:29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to tell jokes.
• 2:29:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's splashing on top of the soundboard.
• 2:29:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's the fucking main sound.
• 2:29:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're freaking out.
• 2:29:09
  SPEAKER_00: Afterwards, they could have shorted out the board.
• 2:29:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what am I going to tell you?
• 2:29:13
  SPEAKER_00: The next night,
• 2:29:14
  SPEAKER_00: because I always had to do it with the soundboard,
• 2:29:16
  SPEAKER_00: they had a tarp over the fucking soundboard before I went on.
• 2:29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Cover everything like a fucking hurricane's coming.
• 2:29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I don't know how you do those things.
• 2:29:25
  SPEAKER_01: The biggest, I've never done that, obviously, but I've done stage intros.
• 2:29:31
  SPEAKER_01: I've introduced Down,
• 2:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: and I've introduced Megadeth,
• 2:29:34
  SPEAKER_01: and I've introduced, the biggest one I ever did was Pantera.
• 2:29:37
  SPEAKER_01: I did a,
• 2:29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Intro for Pantera on Great Southern Tranquil at Blossom Music Center,
• 2:29:43
  SPEAKER_01: which is 18,000 people, and it was packed.
• 2:29:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm telling you, the people wanted nothing to do with Chris from WMMS.
• 2:29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, it's Chris Akin from The Metal Show on WMMS.
• 2:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit.
• 2:29:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, holy shit.
• 2:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I started talking,
• 2:30:01
  SPEAKER_01: because of course,
• 2:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: what people don't know,
• 2:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: and you probably had the same thing too, you do have to do some business.
• 2:30:09
  SPEAKER_01: You have to do, hey,
• 2:30:11
  SPEAKER_01: just want to remind you guys that t-shirts are going to be at the booth or beers are
• 2:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: over here for $10 or whatever it is you have to do.
• 2:30:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they hire you.
• 2:30:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm up there trying to do some horse shit about t-shirts or something.
• 2:30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I start getting hit with ice and batteries.
• 2:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, fuck it, man.
• 2:30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Here's Pantera.
• 2:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Crowd goes crazy.
• 2:30:37
  SPEAKER_01: I go walking off to the side and fucking Dimebag just looks at me and goes,
• 2:30:42
  SPEAKER_01: that's the way you fucking do it, brother.
• 2:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the way you do it.
• 2:30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right, good.
• 2:30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile, I got a fucking cut over my head where I got hit in the head with a battery.
• 2:30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, believe it.
• 2:30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Those crowds are tough.
• 2:30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you figure, I figure it out, like, by the third day.
• 2:30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I would come out, go, you know, before Slayer, give it up for Megadeth.
• 2:31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, everybody.
• 2:31:01
  SPEAKER_00: How great were they?
• 2:31:02
  SPEAKER_00: What about Anthrax?
• 2:31:03
  SPEAKER_00: So they're cheering.
• 2:31:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then, hey, I'm working for Jägermeister.
• 2:31:06
  SPEAKER_00: We got Jägermeister shots up there.
• 2:31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Go get your, you know, throw that in real.
• 2:31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's got to be super quick.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 2:31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Who's drinking?
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's it?
• 2:31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking quick shit like that.
• 2:31:17
  SPEAKER_00: You can't waste any time in front of those angry crowds.
• 2:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 2:31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I'll tell you another quick one.
• 2:31:25
  SPEAKER_01: So we did a Pantera meet and greet one time at a record store.
• 2:31:31
  SPEAKER_01: And again, this was on the live tour, whatever the 101 Proof album.
• 2:31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: And they were touring on that.
• 2:31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, the band was four hours fucking late, four hours late to this meet and greet.
• 2:31:48
  SPEAKER_01: And they had, they had me and my partner, um, the warlock from WMMS.
• 2:31:54
  SPEAKER_01: We're like DJ in this thing and we're playing music and stuff.
• 2:31:57
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, we're sitting, we're set up outside of the record store.
• 2:32:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we were the only rule we really had was we were not allowed to play any Pantera music.
• 2:32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Until Pantera showed up.
• 2:32:11
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of the only rule.
• 2:32:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this thing, we expected 200 or 300 people.
• 2:32:17
  SPEAKER_01: We had two cops at this thing.
• 2:32:19
  SPEAKER_01: The entire parking lot fills up.
• 2:32:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was like 3,000 people.
• 2:32:24
  SPEAKER_01: They stretched out to the next door.
• 2:32:25
  SPEAKER_01: There was a bank and they surrounded the bank to where they closed the bank
• 2:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: because people couldn't get in and out of the bank.
• 2:32:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was fucking nutty.
• 2:32:34
  SPEAKER_01: And people were over.
• 2:32:35
  SPEAKER_01: There was a bike rack in this little strip mall and somehow they yanked it out of
• 2:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: the cement and were trying to bring it in to get it signed.
• 2:32:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was fucking stupid, right?
• 2:32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, needless to say, we start...
• 2:32:49
  SPEAKER_01: People are drinking and stuff in the line and I'm encouraging it.
• 2:32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm, you know,
• 2:32:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the main shit starter and I'm like,
• 2:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: yeah, put another one down for pan fucking Tara.
• 2:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Woo.
• 2:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and people are doing shots or whatever.
• 2:33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, about two and a half hours in, we ain't got a band.
• 2:33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's answering phones, you know, and we're like, holy fuck.
• 2:33:10
  SPEAKER_01: And, and now the people that were happy.
• 2:33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Are now not happy now they're they're they're getting pissed
• 2:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: and they're drunk you know they're all getting drunk and then
• 2:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: at some point they start banging on the windows of the record store chanting riot
• 2:33:26
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm like I am gonna fucking run we're in the store
• 2:33:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I was like I'm running out the back door
• 2:33:32
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm just leaving fuck you guys I'm gone and and all of a sudden the guy
• 2:33:37
  SPEAKER_01: that owns record store comes to me and he goes Okay,
• 2:33:40
  SPEAKER_01: go out there and calm these people down.
• 2:33:43
  SPEAKER_01: How am I going to fucking calm these people down?
• 2:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so I go out and I'm doing my shtick.
• 2:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, you guys are fucking quiet.
• 2:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: You guys must want poison, not Pantera, you faggots.
• 2:33:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm just doing my shtick and getting them all even more crazy.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like.
• 2:34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody, Pantera's fucking here.
• 2:34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And we had no clue where they were.
• 2:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you said that?
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I said it.
• 2:34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
• 2:34:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude,
• 2:34:13
  SPEAKER_01: they were going to come through the windows if I didn't say that Pantera was there.
• 2:34:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I just said they were there.
• 2:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: I started playing Pantera music.
• 2:34:21
  SPEAKER_01: People start moshing in the fucking parking lot.
• 2:34:25
  SPEAKER_01: It got fucking so dumb.
• 2:34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And by the grace of God, they showed up.
• 2:34:32
  SPEAKER_01: They showed up and their bus came in and they pulled around the back and
• 2:34:36
  SPEAKER_01: then they came in and did the meet and greet.
• 2:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: And to their credit, they stayed.
• 2:34:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was like an off day for them.
• 2:34:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they stayed until it had to be 10,
• 2:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: 11 o'clock at night signing every single person's autographs and shit.
• 2:34:49
  SPEAKER_01: But man, I've never been truly scared like I was truly scared of that.
• 2:34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I've been in fucking battle in a war.
• 2:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was more scared at this fucking Pantera thing because they made me the ringleader of it.
• 2:35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right, go calm them down.
• 2:35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go calm them down.
• 2:35:07
  SPEAKER_00: What do you want
• 2:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: me to do?
• 2:35:09
  SPEAKER_01: How do you calm down 3,000 drunks?
• 2:35:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was opening, Megadeth would do those, what, Gigantors?
• 2:35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I opened on, I did comedy on two of them I was opening.
• 2:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we were in like Oklahoma City and all the bands went up except for Megadeth.
• 2:35:26
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden the lightning storm came out and the power went out.
• 2:35:30
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone's just waiting and waiting.
• 2:35:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's raining and no one's leaving.
• 2:35:35
  SPEAKER_00: And after a half hour, they go, hey, the show's canceled.
• 2:35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Megadeth's on the bus right now to leave in, so there's no riot.
• 2:35:41
  SPEAKER_00: But you need to go out there,
• 2:35:43
  SPEAKER_00: because I was the emcee, to go tell them that Megadeth's not coming on.
• 2:35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, holy fuck.
• 2:35:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I had to go out with a megaphone, because there's no power.
• 2:35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, jeez.
• 2:35:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I said,
• 2:35:54
  SPEAKER_00: all right,
• 2:35:55
  SPEAKER_00: I told the roadie,
• 2:35:55
  SPEAKER_00: you got to film this, because I want to put this on the fucking internet.
• 2:35:59
  SPEAKER_00: And meanwhile, I love it because they're booing.
• 2:36:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, sorry.
• 2:36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, please keep booing.
• 2:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm filming this.
• 2:36:07
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I was petrified.
• 2:36:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, let me at least have this on fucking film because I don't know what's going to happen.
• 2:36:13
  SPEAKER_00: They were so angry.
• 2:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was like a monsoon and no one left.
• 2:36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't give a shit.
• 2:36:19
  SPEAKER_00: When are they coming on?
• 2:36:21
  SPEAKER_00: But there was no power.
• 2:36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Is that the one that you,
• 2:36:23
  SPEAKER_02: I remember reading one,
• 2:36:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was in Oklahoma,
• 2:36:25
  SPEAKER_02: you cursed and you were supposed to get fined or some shit like that?
• 2:36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:36:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is that the one?
• 2:36:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in Oklahoma City, this venue is outside.
• 2:36:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's connected to like a zoo.
• 2:36:33
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a bunch of kids there and families.
• 2:36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a rule.
• 2:36:37
  SPEAKER_00: It cost you $1,000 a curse.
• 2:36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And Manson would get cursed, get charged like $20,000 at the end of the show.
• 2:36:45
  SPEAKER_00: And every band knew this, you know, going in.
• 2:36:47
  SPEAKER_00: So they just, I had no idea.
• 2:36:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I go on at like five o'clock opener,
• 2:36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I forget who was the opening band and I'm cursing up a storm.
• 2:36:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I get off the stage, some stage man goes, who, what's your name?
• 2:37:00
  SPEAKER_00: I go, why?
• 2:37:00
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, cause you cursed.
• 2:37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I go, so he goes, There's a zoo connected here.
• 2:37:06
  SPEAKER_00: You get fined for every curse.
• 2:37:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm taking it out of your pay.
• 2:37:08
  SPEAKER_00: What's your name?
• 2:37:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I have this comedian friend.
• 2:37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I go, Artie Fletcher.
• 2:37:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, let me write that down.
• 2:37:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he writes Artie Fletcher down.
• 2:37:16
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, I heard five curses.
• 2:37:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's five thousands coming out of your pay tonight.
• 2:37:21
  SPEAKER_00: I go, come on.
• 2:37:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, no, I go, sorry.
• 2:37:24
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, I'm getting paid through Megadeth.
• 2:37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like it comes like a week later through their agent.
• 2:37:29
  SPEAKER_00: So they're not handing me, you know, no one's handing me checks at the end of the night.
• 2:37:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that's not fair.
• 2:37:34
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to go out again?
• 2:37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I go, yeah.
• 2:37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I go, you want to get charged $1,000?
• 2:37:39
  SPEAKER_00: I go, oh man, I'm so sorry.
• 2:37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do it again, Artie.
• 2:37:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then meanwhile, when I went back on my second set, I said nine of them.
• 2:37:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's no wonder Artie can't get ahead.
• 2:37:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's still paying back his fees.
• 2:37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Artie's credit is in the shitter.
• 2:37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 2:37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I want to ask you something a little bit odd.
• 2:38:00
  SPEAKER_01: We'll come back to metal in a minute.
• 2:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I watched this documentary, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago.
• 2:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought about you.
• 2:38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And to be honest, I was really kind of annoyed.
• 2:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because they like purposely avoided the quote unquote click that you,
• 2:38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Norton, Kelly, you know, that click, Jameson, none of you guys were in it.
• 2:38:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was like David Cross and, you know, that group.
• 2:38:29
  SPEAKER_01: What's her name?
• 2:38:30
  SPEAKER_00: The nerds, the alternative.
• 2:38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Janine Garofalo and whatever.
• 2:38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Janine's a cool chick.
• 2:38:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just worked with her tonight in New York City.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know her.
• 2:38:38
  SPEAKER_01: She's
• 2:38:39
  SPEAKER_00: a metalhead.
• 2:38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is she?
• 2:38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:38:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 2:38:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 2:38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
• 2:38:44
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe you've seen this doc, maybe you haven't.
• 2:38:47
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:38:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was on Vice, and it was called Comedy After 9-11.
• 2:38:55
  SPEAKER_01: And they were talking about how people were afraid to go on,
• 2:39:02
  SPEAKER_01: and it wasn't until Gilbert really made a 20th hijacker comment three weeks
• 2:39:07
  SPEAKER_01: after it happened or something.
• 2:39:09
  SPEAKER_01: That people loosened up.
• 2:39:10
  SPEAKER_01: But if you even remember it,
• 2:39:14
  SPEAKER_01: and again, I only watch it because, you know, anniversary of 9-11 and whatnot.
• 2:39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Was that indeed a tough time?
• 2:39:20
  SPEAKER_01: And was it really kind of hard to get out there?
• 2:39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because you can't go out there and not talk about it.
• 2:39:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what are you going to do?
• 2:39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Go out there and say, oh, man, how about those Yankees?
• 2:39:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, nobody's going to give a shit.
• 2:39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember, you know, look, I...
• 2:39:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Comedy Cellar was, I think it happened on a Tuesday, 9-11.
• 2:39:40
  SPEAKER_00: By Friday, they're doing shows again.
• 2:39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like all the clubs in New York, they took like three days off, which they never do.
• 2:39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 2:39:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't there.
• 2:39:48
  SPEAKER_00: I did a show down in Atlantic City, and it was some benefit show.
• 2:39:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was like at Trump Plaza.
• 2:39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Trump was actually there.
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was the first and only time I ever met him.
• 2:39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:39:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we just said, you know, we'll donate all the money to 9-11.
• 2:40:01
  SPEAKER_00: And the crowd was kind of weird that night.
• 2:40:04
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  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, they were, like, ready to laugh.
• 2:40:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that was, like, four or five days later.
• 2:40:55
  SPEAKER_00: But within 10 days, everyone in New York felt bad.
• 2:41:00
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes you can get away with a joke.
• 2:41:02
  SPEAKER_00: I did a Lindsey Clancy joke tonight, and they didn't fucking like it.
• 2:41:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's two weeks old.
• 2:41:06
  SPEAKER_00: You'd think they would, like, get over it and understand that it was funny, but they did it.
• 2:41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it should have been them that was killed instead of the kids.
• 2:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus.
• 2:41:14
  SPEAKER_01: How can you defend that broad?
• 2:41:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Jesus.
• 2:41:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy that she fucking murdered her three kids and they're like,
• 2:41:20
  SPEAKER_00: well, you know, because she had postpartum depression.
• 2:41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, go get it fucking fixed.
• 2:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Stop taking fucking every prescription pill or whatever.
• 2:41:27
  SPEAKER_00: You killed your kids no matter what.
• 2:41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's not, there's no, there's no level of, well, that's excusable.
• 2:41:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 2:41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's just a precedent.
• 2:41:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's terrible.
• 2:41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like that,
• 2:41:39
  SPEAKER_00: that woman,
• 2:41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Andrea Yates back in the, like, yeah, in Houston, that was a famous story.
• 2:41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like I got to let her out of jail now.
• 2:41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because she drowned her five kids.
• 2:41:48
  SPEAKER_00: How about Susan Smith?
• 2:41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 2:41:53
  SPEAKER_01: She dumped her car in the water, right?
• 2:41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Left the kids in the back.
• 2:41:57
  SPEAKER_00: She kept them in the car seats and they were strapped in.
• 2:41:59
  SPEAKER_00: So at least she was safe.
• 2:42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Look, Susan Smith gets a pass because she's giving all the guards blowjobs.
• 2:42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I know.
• 2:42:07
  SPEAKER_01: She's talking about everybody.
• 2:42:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's fucking beautiful.
• 2:42:10
  SPEAKER_00: She's got all these fucking sugar daddies giving her money.
• 2:42:14
  SPEAKER_00: She had a lesbian relationship.
• 2:42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Some chick just got out of prison.
• 2:42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, me and Susan Smith were together.
• 2:42:19
  SPEAKER_00: So good for her.
• 2:42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Good for her.
• 2:42:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to ask this one for the chat room,
• 2:42:23
  SPEAKER_01: and you can tell me that you're not going to answer it.
• 2:42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm five inches, Chris.
• 2:42:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, I wasn't going to ask that.
• 2:42:30
  SPEAKER_01: I would have to come from the chat room.
• 2:42:32
  SPEAKER_01: They want to know what was the Lindsay Clancy joke.
• 2:42:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I know you guys don't like to just say, well, here's the joke.
• 2:42:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care because it didn't work anyway.
• 2:42:39
  SPEAKER_00: I just said, I said,
• 2:42:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm working on a new set, which I am because my comedy special just came out.
• 2:42:44
  SPEAKER_00: I said, my son's 16 now.
• 2:42:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's good that he's 16 at this age because now I don't have to have a babysitter.
• 2:42:50
  SPEAKER_00: He could be by himself in the house.
• 2:42:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it saves me a lot of money.
• 2:42:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I can also lose Lindsay Clancy's phone number.
• 2:42:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that bitch cost me a lot of money.
• 2:43:00
  SPEAKER_00: I had to build a ramp just to get her in my house.
• 2:43:04
  SPEAKER_00: I hide all my exercise bands.
• 2:43:07
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't easy.
• 2:43:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it got like a one on a scale of one to 10.
• 2:43:10
  SPEAKER_00: I did it three times tonight.
• 2:43:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
• 2:43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Was it a room full of chicks?
• 2:43:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was everybody.
• 2:43:15
  SPEAKER_00: But you bring it up.
• 2:43:17
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, they think about fucking dead babies.
• 2:43:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the guys can't laugh because they're with their chick.
• 2:43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:43:24
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what it was.
• 2:43:26
  SPEAKER_00: I knew it wasn't going to work, but I'd just do it for me.
• 2:43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you never know.
• 2:43:31
  SPEAKER_01: It might have gone way over.
• 2:43:32
  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 2:43:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's like three people I laughed at.
• 2:43:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I'm just doing it for you.
• 2:43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Where is the line if there is a line?
• 2:43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a line for you of something you just won't touch?
• 2:43:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
• 2:43:48
  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes you're like, yeah, I'm not going to go that far.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:43:53
  SPEAKER_00: It depends what the situation is, but I never get offended if someone does.
• 2:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, whatever that line is.
• 2:44:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think there is, if you can make it funny.
• 2:44:03
  SPEAKER_00: But then people judge it, well, it wasn't funny.
• 2:44:05
  SPEAKER_00: If it was funny, then it'd be okay.
• 2:44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's your, I don't know what your sense of humor is.
• 2:44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you laugh at fucking a commercial when they say it's hump day and they have a camel?
• 2:44:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you laugh at that, I don't know, you don't have a good sense of humor.
• 2:44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're more interested in talking about how great it is to have Friendsgiving
• 2:44:24
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever.
• 2:44:26
  SPEAKER_01: That made me laugh so fucking hard in your podcast.
• 2:44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:44:32
  SPEAKER_01: The Friendsgiving or whatever it is.
• 2:44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's a true story.
• 2:44:35
  SPEAKER_00: My nephew,
• 2:44:36
  SPEAKER_00: and I have it in my comedy special,
• 2:44:38
  SPEAKER_00: my nephew, like last year, he's like, yeah, we're going to have a Friendsgiving.
• 2:44:41
  SPEAKER_00: And we're watching football.
• 2:44:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I turn around, I go, what'd you say?
• 2:44:44
  SPEAKER_00: I love the music.
• 2:44:45
  SPEAKER_00: I muted the fucking TV watching football.
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_00: What'd you say?
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, I said, we're having a Friendsgiving.
• 2:44:51
  SPEAKER_00: I go, and I knew what it was because I go, what is that?
• 2:44:53
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, well, it's just a bunch of our friends are getting together.
• 2:44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I go, don't ever say that in my house again.
• 2:45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I go, say the N-word in my house before you say Friendsgiven.
• 2:45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Say it to my black friend's face in my house before you say Friendsgiven.
• 2:45:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's too funny.
• 2:45:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's swing back to music, man.
• 2:45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Kid Rock.
• 2:45:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's obviously a lightning rod of controversy.
• 2:45:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a big fan,
• 2:45:25
  SPEAKER_01: so I'm a big,
• 2:45:27
  SPEAKER_01: big fan of what he does, and I could give a shit what his politics are.
• 2:45:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll kind of tie this,
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_01: because I know you saw Nugent as well, and me and you actually messaged about it.
• 2:45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is it smart to kind of, for these guys now, with the political climate as...
• 2:45:45
  SPEAKER_01: And this time he didn't talk about politics either.
• 2:45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:46:11
  SPEAKER_00: So he doesn't talk about it.
• 2:46:13
  SPEAKER_00: Ted did just a little bit, and that was it.
• 2:46:16
  SPEAKER_00: But Kid Rock, I think he made a mistake doing that alternative Super Bowl halftime show.
• 2:46:25
  SPEAKER_00: You think so?
• 2:46:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so.
• 2:46:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:46:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was well watched.
• 2:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it had a lot of views.
• 2:46:33
  SPEAKER_00: But with the video, you know, he prerecorded it and stuff like that, and it wasn't synced up.
• 2:46:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it kind of looked, I don't know.
• 2:46:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think he should have stayed away from that.
• 2:46:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, come on.
• 2:46:43
  SPEAKER_00: We all want a rock act.
• 2:46:45
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, it's never going to happen until Jay-Z's not booking that Super Bowl.
• 2:46:49
  SPEAKER_00: So if you think Metallica might play this year or somebody else, it ain't happening.
• 2:46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor Swift might be the only one, maybe.
• 2:46:59
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, Jay-Z,
• 2:47:00
  SPEAKER_00: if you think about it,
• 2:47:01
  SPEAKER_00: Jay-Z has never booked a white act since he took over four or five years ago,
• 2:47:05
  SPEAKER_00: and he won't.
• 2:47:06
  SPEAKER_00: And nobody knew who that fucking...
• 2:47:08
  SPEAKER_00: What was it, Bad Bunny was before this, but he's a huge, all around the world, he's huge.
• 2:47:14
  SPEAKER_00: I never even heard of him.
• 2:47:16
  SPEAKER_00: So there's going to be another black or Spanish or whatever fucking act it is.
• 2:47:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even get mad.
• 2:47:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the Rockville Hall of Fame.
• 2:47:21
  SPEAKER_00: How can this band not be in?
• 2:47:23
  SPEAKER_00: I go, who cares?
• 2:47:24
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't affect me in any way.
• 2:47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And a Super Bowl halftime show, I'm putting fucking bets in for the second half.
• 2:47:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 2:47:31
  SPEAKER_00: Getting food or whatever.
• 2:47:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit.
• 2:47:33
  SPEAKER_00: I never watched a halftime show.
• 2:47:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:47:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, speaking of two of Kid Rock,
• 2:47:38
  SPEAKER_02: I know you love Jelly Roll and Post Malone and Machine Gun Kelly.
• 2:47:43
  SPEAKER_02: But no, in reality, though, I mean,
• 2:47:44
  SPEAKER_02: if you think about those guys because they can't pick what they want to do,
• 2:47:47
  SPEAKER_02: we got to be honest, though, Kid Rock is the first one to ever do that.
• 2:47:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's the first one to go all over the freaking place and kind of maybe set
• 2:47:53
  SPEAKER_02: a precedent for those guys.
• 2:47:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're right.
• 2:47:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
• 2:47:56
  SPEAKER_00: That is a good point.
• 2:47:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look, Devil Without a Cause are fucking amazing records.
• 2:48:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's still fucking today.
• 2:48:03
  SPEAKER_00: It still stands.
• 2:48:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 2:48:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's not data or anything like that.
• 2:48:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:48:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he did go to a more like a country kind of Bob Seger, Tom Petty kind of route.
• 2:48:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I get your point on that.
• 2:48:14
  SPEAKER_00: I never thought about that, but.
• 2:48:15
  SPEAKER_00: Kid Rock is still, but you know what?
• 2:48:18
  SPEAKER_00: He puts his politics and whatever his beliefs on his sleeve.
• 2:48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Unlike those other fucking phonies,
• 2:48:22
  SPEAKER_00: especially Jelly Roll that just, whatever, what do I got to say?
• 2:48:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I say this?
• 2:48:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, what do I got to say here?
• 2:48:28
  SPEAKER_00: What do I got to say here?
• 2:48:29
  SPEAKER_00: Kid Rock's not like that.
• 2:48:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that affects his audience.
• 2:48:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's why Ted Nugent is starting to rock the Hall of Fame because of his political views.
• 2:48:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Kid Rock might be doing stadiums if he just kept his mouth shut about politics,
• 2:48:41
  SPEAKER_00: but he doesn't.
• 2:48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's true.
• 2:48:45
  SPEAKER_00: And when Jelly Roll hosted, you know, Jimmy Kimmel says, well, now I have to play to this crowd.
• 2:48:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's a fucking fraud.
• 2:48:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a puppet, yeah.
• 2:48:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's going to come out at some point and go, they wrote the jokes for me.
• 2:48:57
  SPEAKER_00: I just said them.
• 2:48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 2:49:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:49:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you're going to say, you know, that's what he's going to say.
• 2:49:03
  SPEAKER_00: But meanwhile, he knew what he was doing.
• 2:49:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, now he's trying to get back in the right side by using God now.
• 2:49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 2:49:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have to speak with God and he's going to give me my next decision.
• 2:49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Shut the fuck up.
• 2:49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 2:49:18
  SPEAKER_00: You were cheating on your wife for fucking, you know, that stuck by you.
• 2:49:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're real Christian.
• 2:49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:49:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, for 10 months he was having an affair banging chicks.
• 2:49:26
  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, you're a real Christian.
• 2:49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but,
• 2:49:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:49:31
  SPEAKER_01: he had to do that because he was so mentally locked in on losing that weight and all
• 2:49:36
  SPEAKER_01: that exercise he was doing.
• 2:49:38
  SPEAKER_00: I know, it's crazy.
• 2:49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Look, it's the first time in history somebody's lost 300 pounds in a year.
• 2:49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:49:45
  SPEAKER_00: In a year without, you know.
• 2:49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:49:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird.
• 2:49:48
  SPEAKER_00: Widow's epic being around.
• 2:49:49
  SPEAKER_00: But he didn't use it in the other ones.
• 2:49:50
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't.
• 2:49:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, he just did it the old-fashioned way.
• 2:49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because there was one video of him jogging,
• 2:49:55
  SPEAKER_00: which he called TMZ to say, hey, I'm outside of UCLA.
• 2:50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Come here at 930.
• 2:50:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be jogging.
• 2:50:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then he used the WWF.
• 2:50:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, did you remember when he did the, what is it, WrestleMania or whatever?
• 2:50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, did you tell me or somebody else told me that they fucking hated him?
• 2:50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they hated him.
• 2:50:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 2:50:14
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 2:50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, they hated him and they hated Pat McAfee so bad on that.
• 2:50:20
  SPEAKER_01: But the setup,
• 2:50:22
  SPEAKER_01: like they did like something first,
• 2:50:25
  SPEAKER_01: like another pay-per-view or some shit,
• 2:50:28
  SPEAKER_01: and then an episode of Raw or something first.
• 2:50:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they kept showing these vignette packages of jelly roll exercising so
• 2:50:39
  SPEAKER_01: that you would think, oh, look at this guy.
• 2:50:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they were working so hard on that.
• 2:50:44
  SPEAKER_01: This guy is focused to be part of the WWE.
• 2:50:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, it was like him pushing up one dumbbell or something.
• 2:50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 2:50:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like, look at the effort this guy's putting in to get in shape for WrestleMania.
• 2:51:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, you fucking frauds.
• 2:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile,
• 2:51:03
  SPEAKER_01: they filmed that one time and then he put it down and probably had somebody give him
• 2:51:06
  SPEAKER_01: a massage from lifting 50 pounds.
• 2:51:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 2:51:09
  SPEAKER_00: Or it was like they brought in a bar that didn't weigh 45 pounds.
• 2:51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Weighed nothing.
• 2:51:14
  SPEAKER_01: Took the sand out of one of them sand weights or whatever.
• 2:51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know that if they liked him, he'd still be wrestling here and there.
• 2:51:21
  SPEAKER_00: He'd make like four or five appearances.
• 2:51:24
  SPEAKER_00: He'll try anything to be famous.
• 2:51:26
  SPEAKER_00: Anything.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_00: Just that he's laying low for like the last couple of weeks is crazy because he's got to come.
• 2:51:32
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be in a children's hospital by Monday.
• 2:51:36
  SPEAKER_00: And there'll be video and tell you, hey, you're a Jelly Roll fan.
• 2:51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, how's it going?
• 2:51:40
  SPEAKER_00: See, I'm going to disagree.
• 2:51:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's going to disappear for a little while.
• 2:51:45
  SPEAKER_00: He should, but he never listens to anybody.
• 2:51:47
  SPEAKER_00: Some people do.
• 2:51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Unless he's got someone right in his,
• 2:51:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's made every mistake possible for the last two years.
• 2:51:55
  SPEAKER_00: So unless somebody gets in his ear and go, just fucking go away for a year.
• 2:51:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'll bet you disappear.
• 2:52:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to go for a year.
• 2:52:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm betting he's going to go away.
• 2:52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Until Super Bowl ad season.
• 2:52:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then he will be back for Super Bowl for whatever,
• 2:52:11
  SPEAKER_01: for Rowe or Hymns or whatever horse shit that there is.
• 2:52:16
  SPEAKER_01: See, I was a fat fuck too, and now I took Hymns, and now I'm 180 pounds.
• 2:52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
• 2:52:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
• 2:52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he stays, lays low for three or four months.
• 2:52:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because his last thing he said is, I'm reading the Bible to find out what I'm going to do next.
• 2:52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he said if God tells him to go to a homeless shelter, he's going to go work.
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 2:52:35
  SPEAKER_00: What page is that on, by the way?
• 2:52:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:52:38
  SPEAKER_00: What are the odds that he's going to go to a homeless shelter
• 2:52:40
  SPEAKER_00: and just quit doing music and you never hear from him again?
• 2:52:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:52:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 2:52:45
  SPEAKER_01: Go to the homeless center without the fucking photographer.
• 2:52:48
  SPEAKER_01: Then I might give a shit.
• 2:52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:52:52
  SPEAKER_00: My old manager, his wife used to work for Splash, which is like TMZ.
• 2:52:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, whatever.
• 2:53:00
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't as big or whatever.
• 2:53:01
  SPEAKER_00: But all these, 95% of the celebrities call them and say, hey, we're going to be at this place.
• 2:53:08
  SPEAKER_00: Jelly Roll's going to be jogging.
• 2:53:09
  SPEAKER_00: So all of that shit is set up.
• 2:53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Them coming out of a restaurant or whatever.
• 2:53:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then when they find out bad shit about you, they go, you know what, let's leave it alone.
• 2:53:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because they always give us tips when you're walking out of a restaurant.
• 2:53:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what all of them do it.
• 2:53:23
  SPEAKER_00: So whenever Jelly Roll, he's not just walking down the street.
• 2:53:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's not just jogging and they found them.
• 2:53:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's all set up.
• 2:53:30
  SPEAKER_00: All set up, yeah.
• 2:53:31
  SPEAKER_01: I know you had to be excited on whatever it was,
• 2:53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sunday night or Monday,
• 2:53:34
  SPEAKER_01: whichever night it was,
• 2:53:36
  SPEAKER_01: when we got to see Taylor Swift and Tom Cruise together in the booth.
• 2:53:40
  SPEAKER_01: That had to make you happy.
• 2:53:42
  SPEAKER_00: God.
• 2:53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Look, she laid low for a year.
• 2:53:45
  SPEAKER_00: She knew everyone hated her.
• 2:53:47
  SPEAKER_00: That Super Bowl where she got booed when they panned to her, I watched that over and over again.
• 2:53:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was one of the top five greatest moments of my life.
• 2:53:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because the reaction of her is like, everybody loves me.
• 2:54:03
  SPEAKER_00: What are you talking about?
• 2:54:04
  SPEAKER_00: You have no idea what world you're in.
• 2:54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:54:08
  SPEAKER_00: So she and her excuse last year was she was only in the back of the box.
• 2:54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they catch her way back there.
• 2:54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, she's afraid of a sniper that she might get killed.
• 2:54:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, wow.
• 2:54:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess the sniper went away because now she's right back in the front again.
• 2:54:25
  SPEAKER_00: She laid low for a year.
• 2:54:26
  SPEAKER_00: She knew, OK, let me get away from these NFL fans.
• 2:54:30
  SPEAKER_00: So they stop hating me and maybe I'll slowly come back.
• 2:54:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now that we're married.
• 2:54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm just his wife watching the game.
• 2:54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I don't know if you watched it or not, the game this week.
• 2:54:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was Sunday night's game, I think.
• 2:54:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was the Monday night game.
• 2:54:45
  SPEAKER_00: The Monday night game?
• 2:54:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:54:47
  SPEAKER_01: They couldn't show her enough.
• 2:54:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Kelsey caught a ball for like two yards, and they're like, ah!
• 2:54:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they had fucking Jason Kelsey up there and the fucking fat mom.
• 2:54:59
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, they had them all up there and they couldn't wait to keep showing that.
• 2:55:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Tom Cruise is like, fuck all of you guys.
• 2:55:06
  SPEAKER_00: What a Tom Cruise.
• 2:55:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, they're just star fuckers.
• 2:55:10
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey.
• 2:55:12
  SPEAKER_00: They just want to be around stars.
• 2:55:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you're like a regular person, they've got no use for you.
• 2:55:17
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor Swift has no childhood friends.
• 2:55:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's only celebrities.
• 2:55:20
  SPEAKER_00: And she has a fallen out because she's a fucking child.
• 2:55:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm not talking to them anymore.
• 2:55:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not talking to them.
• 2:55:26
  SPEAKER_00: What could Tom Cruise and Taylor Swift be talking about?
• 2:55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Tom's like, well, how do you suck a dick?
• 2:55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do you get the whole thing or just a tip?
• 2:55:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Taylor, I've been sucking dick for fucking, you know, 47 years.
• 2:55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Work the balls.
• 2:55:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they were talking about.
• 2:55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Dude.
• 2:55:51
  SPEAKER_01: Another thing that you just said in the newest Everybody Is Awful podcast,
• 2:55:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was crying laughing.
• 2:56:01
  SPEAKER_01: You dissected that Jason Kelsey fucking commercial.
• 2:56:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, commercial, yeah, to the T. Oh, my God.
• 2:56:07
  SPEAKER_01: That sweater.
• 2:56:08
  SPEAKER_01: The sweater thing had me laughing my
• 2:56:11
  SPEAKER_00: ass off.
• 2:56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody would wear that sweater.
• 2:56:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 2:56:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's a football player.
• 2:56:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wear your own jersey, your real Eagles, Kelsey jersey.
• 2:56:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, all right, it's this fucking, you know, but a fucking, that goofy sweater.
• 2:56:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, don't worry.
• 2:56:27
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, he's the dumb guy.
• 2:56:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's an 80s sitcom.
• 2:56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 2:56:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've got people, don't worry, honey.
• 2:56:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he's fucking pouring the shit the wrong way because he's an idiot and she's smart.
• 2:56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:56:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was dying about the sweat.
• 2:56:42
  SPEAKER_01: You were talking about it was a bad sweater.
• 2:56:46
  SPEAKER_01: In my head, it wasn't that he was wearing a bad sweater.
• 2:56:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was more in the, what man wears a sweater in 2026?
• 2:56:52
  SPEAKER_02: Watching football,
• 2:56:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a shit if you're outside shoveling snow.
• 2:56:58
  SPEAKER_01: What man wears a sweater in 2026?
• 2:57:01
  SPEAKER_01: We all wear hoodies.
• 2:57:04
  SPEAKER_00: And to watch a football game, and he actually played football.
• 2:57:07
  SPEAKER_00: I had football people over last Sunday for opening day at my house
• 2:57:12
  SPEAKER_00: to watch football, and my 58-year-old friend was naked by the third quarter.
• 2:57:18
  SPEAKER_00: He was wearing a Dan Marino jersey, took it off, and he was completely naked.
• 2:57:23
  SPEAKER_00: And meanwhile, Jason, who's played football, is in a fucking gay sweater in a commercial.
• 2:57:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's a guy to just go, okay, is that what you want me to wear?
• 2:57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because I just want to be famous.
• 2:57:36
  SPEAKER_00: If he had any sake of, listen, I'm not wearing that.
• 2:57:41
  SPEAKER_00: I want to wear an eagle jersey or something or a hoodie or a sweatshirt.
• 2:57:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not wearing a fucking sweater.
• 2:57:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he didn't want to make all his multicultural friends upset by not wearing a sweater.
• 2:57:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was unbelievable.
• 2:57:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like World Nations in the fucking background.
• 2:57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, my basement, there's fucking 11 white guys that are fucking alcoholics and racists.
• 2:58:04
  SPEAKER_01: See, that's why you're a bad fan, man.
• 2:58:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're a bad NFL fan.
• 2:58:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're not wearing a faggy sweater.
• 2:58:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, look, the Indian guy comes to deliver pizza, so we have some color.
• 2:58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we invite him in, so...
• 2:58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, what do you think about comedy right now seemingly coming back?
• 2:58:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm pointing to,
• 2:58:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:58:28
  SPEAKER_01: obviously we talked about that you've got to,
• 2:58:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:58:31
  SPEAKER_01: the telemarketers is done well and,
• 2:58:34
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:58:34
  SPEAKER_01: Jersey Trash is,
• 2:58:35
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen numbers on it yet, but I'm imagining it's going to do equally well.
• 2:58:40
  SPEAKER_01: Can't imagine why it wouldn't when people are seeing your name with one thing to watch another.
• 2:58:44
  SPEAKER_01: Then I saw Landau's special on Tuesday or the Gas Digital special.
• 2:58:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I just happened to breeze through it today because Dave was texting me
• 2:58:54
  SPEAKER_01: about fixing his website or something.
• 2:58:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I was,
• 2:58:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:58:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just looked it up real quick and he's got like 110,000 views in like four days
• 2:59:01
  SPEAKER_01: or something.
• 2:59:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, man, comedy is back.
• 2:59:06
  SPEAKER_01: For guys like yourself or Landau or whatever that are kind of the don't give a fuck comics now.
• 2:59:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was dead for a while.
• 2:59:13
  SPEAKER_01: It seemed like it was really hard for you guys.
• 2:59:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was.
• 2:59:17
  SPEAKER_01: For a while, but it seems like it's back.
• 2:59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel that?
• 2:59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:59:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I work in New York City.
• 2:59:25
  SPEAKER_00: I work at this club.
• 2:59:26
  SPEAKER_00: The audience is like 21 to like 30.
• 2:59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:59:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:59:31
  SPEAKER_00: The hot chicks on dates or whatever like that, they have no fucking clue who I am.
• 2:59:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I like that because I want to see if my jokes will work in front of them.
• 2:59:42
  SPEAKER_00: And they're not sensitive at all.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_00: And this is New York City.
• 2:59:47
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing they won't laugh at is like trans stuff.
• 2:59:49
  SPEAKER_00: They just don't go for it.
• 2:59:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're not going to groan.
• 2:59:51
  SPEAKER_00: They're just like, eh.
• 2:59:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of played out anyway.
• 2:59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you do like race stuff,
• 2:59:56
  SPEAKER_00: if you're a white guy and you go into race stuff,
• 2:59:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just so other than that, they're in for anything.
• 3:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that.
• 3:00:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's why comedy is so big now that people aren't,
• 3:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 3:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: the younger generation,
• 3:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: my son and his friends all love these comics
• 3:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: and they all love like People pulling pranks on each other.
• 3:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: They got a good sense of humor.
• 3:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're not offended by anything.
• 3:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: They make fun of the pronouns and all that bullshit.
• 3:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: And when everybody's just building their own little platform,
• 3:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: that's how this stuff is getting so big.
• 3:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have to go through the networks anymore.
• 3:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have to go through David Letterman, The Tonight Show, or HBO or Comedy Central.
• 3:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only way you can get ahead years ago.
• 3:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's in a great place, comedy.
• 3:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has their own little audience, which is great.
• 3:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yo, you glam metal savages!
• 3:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: You want to hear the album that lit the fuse on the entire 80s hair metal explosion?
• 3:00:48
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• 3:00:49
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• 3:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: Too Fast for Love, raw, filthy, LO out as hell glam punk that'll melt your face off!
• 3:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: Livewire hits like a kick to the teeth!
• 3:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: Public Enemy No.
• 3:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: 1 and Merry-Go-Round will have you smashing the volume knob!
• 3:01:04
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• 3:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you call yourself a rocker and you do not have this in your collection yet,
• 3:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: then that's a crime, brother.
• 3:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: Click the link at the bottom of the screen right now and grab it before it's gone.
• 3:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I see on social media, though.
• 3:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, to me,
• 3:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: what's always on feeds and stuff is still all the politics stuff,
• 3:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: the Ben Bankists or the Cliff Cash type of guys.
• 3:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: For a guy like yourself, who is not a political...
• 3:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you make fun of everybody and you don't take sides or whatever.
• 3:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, has that been still a challenge with the youngsters or are they still open?
• 3:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they probably like you better because you're not.
• 3:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: So you can kind of bring in the ones that aren't.
• 3:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: But because those guys are doing really well, too, though, the political guys.
• 3:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, the younger audience doesn't want to hear it.
• 3:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, New York City's super liberal and they're comical up on stage.
• 3:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: Could you believe what Trump did today?
• 3:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: He did this?
• 3:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: And they're just like, huh?
• 3:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: And listen, we're here to laugh.
• 3:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to hear this stuff.
• 3:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're not going, yeah, fuck Trump and cheering and like that.
• 3:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to hear it.
• 3:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: They don't give a shit, which is good.
• 3:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's good.
• 3:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 3:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't talk about,
• 3:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: I never talk about politics on stage because it's like,
• 3:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to fight with half the crowd.
• 3:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's like telling, you know, you got a favorite sports team.
• 3:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is a Cowboy fan going to convince you to be an Eagles fan?
• 3:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you sit one up for two hours, it's just not going to happen.
• 3:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't want that fight.
• 3:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, you know, guys like Bill Maher do it well.
• 3:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: So let them do it.
• 3:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm good at doing dick jokes.
• 3:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: As it should be, man.
• 3:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's no reason for it.
• 3:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly...
• 3:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: The way you do it is just so much more universal to regular dickwads like myself
• 3:02:57
  SPEAKER_01: that are just regular dudes.
• 3:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: It just seems like everybody you mentioned, it doesn't matter what their political alignment is.
• 3:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: I can't listen to Ben Bankis.
• 3:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: I can't listen to Bill Maher.
• 3:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck you.
• 3:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: I go to a comedy show or a metal show or whatever to pretend that shit doesn't exist
• 3:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: for two or
• 3:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: three hours.
• 3:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be reminded that the world fucking blows goats.
• 3:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: I want to fucking hear a joke about blowing goats.
• 3:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of where I stand.
• 3:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 3:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Springsteen did a whole tour about no kings or whatever.
• 3:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to trash Trump in between songs.
• 3:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 3:03:45
  SPEAKER_00: What is he going to say?
• 3:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's an orange man and bad?
• 3:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, I got to go see that.
• 3:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: How daring after you've made your billion dollars.
• 3:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know that you can alienate some of your fans.
• 3:03:55
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 3:03:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 3:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: What a chance you took.
• 3:03:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're a rebel.
• 3:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: I remember there was an album we put out like three albums ago, maybe like 10, 12 years ago.
• 3:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I go...
• 3:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: Bruce Springsteen, this is his most personal lyrics.
• 3:04:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's going after the bankers.
• 3:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, that's nuts.
• 3:04:14
  SPEAKER_00: You don't like the bankers that fucking rip people off?
• 3:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa, what a chance he's taken.
• 3:04:20
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck out of here.
• 3:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about a fucking phony, overrated piece of shit.
• 3:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: The worst Super Bowl halftime show of all time was him.
• 3:04:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you watch it back on YouTube, it's the corniest thing I've ever seen in my life.
• 3:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right, what's the best one?
• 3:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: He stinks.
• 3:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: What's the best one?
• 3:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: If that's the worst, what's the best?
• 3:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: I never really watched them.
• 3:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: I guess, I don't know, who was...
• 3:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
• 3:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take Prince all day.
• 3:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take Prince.
• 3:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say that.
• 3:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was a good show.
• 3:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was good.
• 3:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Most of them suck.
• 3:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, most of them...
• 3:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, your other choices are what?
• 3:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: Bruno Mars, Maroon 5?
• 3:04:59
  SPEAKER_02: Who was on there, but they were just older.
• 3:05:01
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of, you know... Yeah.
• 3:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: But I...
• 3:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: I have a big Super Bowl party every year.
• 3:05:06
  SPEAKER_00: And whenever halftime comes, I put it on mute.
• 3:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: I go, listen, anyone wants to watch the fucking halftime show, go upstairs.
• 3:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're cranking fucking Black Sabbath for a half hour.
• 3:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't fucking turn it up during a Super Bowl commercial.
• 3:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: I go, no, I don't give a fuck about the Doritos or any of that stuff.
• 3:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I send everybody upstairs if you want to watch that shit.
• 3:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I never watch it.
• 3:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even acknowledge it.
• 3:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the commercial thing is kind of over, isn't it?
• 3:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 3:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're done with that.
• 3:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: What was the best one?
• 3:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: What was the worst one?
• 3:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: That was that fucking corny fucking Z Morning Zoo radio the next day.
• 3:05:43
  SPEAKER_00: What was your favorite?
• 3:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: Let me know which one.
• 3:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let's take some phone calls.
• 3:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: Call in now.
• 3:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 3:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: call in now.
• 3:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: Which one was your least favorite?
• 3:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't like the Pepsi one?
• 3:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of liked it.
• 3:05:54
  SPEAKER_00: The goat drinking the Pepsi?
• 3:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: That was wonderful.
• 3:05:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was a funny one.
• 3:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: When the animals were talking, that was hilarious.
• 3:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was funny.
• 3:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's no Liberty Biberty, that's for sure.
• 3:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 3:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't watch regular TV, so I don't see this shit until the NFL starts.
• 3:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 3:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm getting bombarded with these fucking,
• 3:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 3:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: like I was saying in my podcast,
• 3:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: all the white guys have to always do something stupid.
• 3:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: They got to crash through tables.
• 3:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the guy's fucking parasailing.
• 3:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: They crash into the side of a wall or whatever.
• 3:06:27
  SPEAKER_00: The white guy beat him up.
• 3:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
• 3:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: No one's laughing at that.
• 3:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: The ironic part is that guy is a great actor in real life.
• 3:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why he's doing those fucking cameras.
• 3:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's that Dean Withers.
• 3:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and he's like on Oz.
• 3:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was fucking awesome on that show.
• 3:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he was really good on Law and Order.
• 3:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: The one with the, what's her name?
• 3:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: Mariska Hargitay.
• 3:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: The SVU.
• 3:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's real good on that too.
• 3:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
• 3:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: it's embarrassing to see him going from a badass on Oz to
• 3:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: a guy that's fucking wearing a team mascot and driving his car into the back of
• 3:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: a bus or something.
• 3:07:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what happened to you?
• 3:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you really need money that bad?
• 3:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is that, okay,
• 3:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 3:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's brand awareness,
• 3:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: but everyone knows about Liberty Mutual,
• 3:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: everyone knows about Progressive,
• 3:07:20
  SPEAKER_00: everyone knows about Pepsi, everybody knows about Coke.
• 3:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: So for you to do a fucking $2 million commercial pay, what, $2 million for 30 seconds?
• 3:07:29
  SPEAKER_00: We already know about your insurance.
• 3:07:31
  SPEAKER_00: I always say, just have a guy come on in 15 seconds and go, hey, We have insurance.
• 3:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: We could probably beat every rate by 15% to 20%.
• 3:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just check us out.
• 3:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: Go to this website.
• 3:07:41
  SPEAKER_00: Give us a chance.
• 3:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would be a surprise.
• 3:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's the commercial.
• 3:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need a guy fucking power sailing hitting off a fucking bus.
• 3:07:50
  SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
• 3:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I buy that?
• 3:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: We're all paying for that.
• 3:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 3:07:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the saddest.
• 3:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're paying for it.
• 3:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: I loved your breakdown where you said,
• 3:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: my insurance is $2,200 a year,
• 3:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: but if they weren't doing that fucking Super Bowl commercial, it'd be like $1,400.
• 3:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you're 100% right.
• 3:08:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 3:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: $2,200 a year.
• 3:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't had that accident in 30 years.
• 3:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it should be $300 a year.
• 3:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because I guess I'm not married, so it's more because of divorce.
• 3:08:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because they think single men are more angry behind the wheel than married men.
• 3:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: Married men are 10 times worse.
• 3:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 3:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they're mad about this bitch getting in their ear every night.
• 3:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: They just want to get in the car and just go take a drive to get away from them.
• 3:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: They want to drive off a bridge.
• 3:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, all right, man.
• 3:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're going to wrap this one up.
• 3:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: This has been a lot of fun.
• 3:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: Give the pluggy plugs so that people know where to buy your shit.
• 3:08:55
  SPEAKER_00: My new comedy special, Jersey Trash, on Prime Video now.
• 3:08:58
  SPEAKER_00: You can watch it there.
• 3:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: And Terrorizing Telemarketers Vol.
• 3:09:01
  SPEAKER_00: 8 with Don Jameson is out now.
• 3:09:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's number one on iTunes and number one on Amazon Comedy, Amazon Music, whatever comedy.
• 3:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: So if you hate telemarketers, you'll like what we did.
• 3:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: And we have eight albums of this nonsense.
• 3:09:17
  SPEAKER_00: So check it out, Terrorizing Telemarketers Vol.
• 3:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: 8.
• 3:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: And my comedy special is also on audio, so you can listen to it wherever you stream.
• 3:09:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:09:24
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 3:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, in all seriousness, I'm happy for you.
• 3:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to sound like a faggot that you'll then go and bash on your podcast,
• 3:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm happy for you and Don that this thing has done well, man.
• 3:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's great to see the friends doing well, and I'm happy that it's happening.
• 3:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: Not that you need it to be number one or any of that shit, but it's a nice accomplishment, man.
• 3:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it definitely is.
• 3:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 3:09:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's I think that Shane Gillis audience should be all set, right?
• 3:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: 78,000 tickets.
• 3:10:00
  SPEAKER_01: See, I'm going to tell you the truth.
• 3:10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't want to see that.
• 3:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I would not want to see a comedian in a stadium.
• 3:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 3:10:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's tough.
• 3:10:08
  SPEAKER_00: I saw Shane at the Garden.
• 3:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like three months before that.
• 3:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm friends with him.
• 3:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: So my kids are big fans.
• 3:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we went and you're watching the show like on a monitor.
• 3:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird.
• 3:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: And comedy just doesn't work in a big room like that.
• 3:10:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I think because he's from Philly, well, not Philly, Harrisburg, a couple of hours out.
• 3:10:26
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody loves him.
• 3:10:28
  SPEAKER_00: So he's like, I got to do my home, my Eagles.
• 3:10:31
  SPEAKER_00: I got to do that stadium and stuff.
• 3:10:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I think people just went there as like an event, a tailgate.
• 3:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And stuff.
• 3:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not imagining a comedy show was that great because it's the laughs get,
• 3:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: you know, out in the frigging, you know, outside and all that shit.
• 3:10:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I think he just wanted to do it once just to do it.
• 3:10:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it was great because what's her face?
• 3:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Chelsea Handler was giving him shit about the roast.
• 3:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 3:10:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, hey, Chelsea, put a statement out.
• 3:10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Chelsea, you know, I know you're getting a lot of publicity.
• 3:11:00
  SPEAKER_00: You got a new tour coming up.
• 3:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's great that you're using my name to do it.
• 3:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to let you know, good luck.
• 3:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I got to prepare that I'm doing a football stadium in July.
• 3:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 3:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
• 3:11:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
• 3:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, why can't he get you on tires?
• 3:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would like that.
• 3:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, if there's ever a role, you know, for me.
• 3:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: But he knows I'm out there.
• 3:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: He knows where to find me.
• 3:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to tell me you can't find a fucking role for a mechanic?
• 3:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he likes all the guys that grew up in Philly.
• 3:11:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm more of a Jersey guy, so he takes care of all his boys, which I respect.
• 3:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 3:11:35
  SPEAKER_00: So if I would have grown up in Philly, I'd probably be the fucking lead guy right now.
• 3:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 3:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be the guy wielding the gun.
• 3:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: That show's great.
• 3:11:43
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 3:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's great.
• 3:11:46
  SPEAKER_00: All the kids love it.
• 3:11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like my 16-year-old son,
• 3:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: they go to these house parties,
• 3:11:51
  SPEAKER_00: and all the boys go, put tires on, or a girl goes, it's stupid.
• 3:11:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not even funny.
• 3:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 3:11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because they call everybody gay, every fucking joke, and I love it.
• 3:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's hilarious.
• 3:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's what guys do.
• 3:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 3:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you do, yeah.
• 3:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you do.
• 3:12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 3:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, everybody in the chat room is making fun of me,
• 3:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: calling me Eddie Akin because I said I was your friend, like Eddie does.
• 3:12:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, you are, man.
• 3:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're making fun because Eddie always with the,
• 3:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: hey, here's my friend, you know, Mariah from Plush or whatever.
• 3:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, everybody's his friend.
• 3:12:24
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're making fun of me.
• 3:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm all right, whatever.
• 3:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking to you.
• 3:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm putting in my Eddie-isms, I guess.
• 3:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, I know Eddie gets a lot of flack online, but look, he gets great interviews.
• 3:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: He just had Sammy, Tony, and he's a great interviewer.
• 3:12:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's amazing.
• 3:12:39
  SPEAKER_02: He is amazing.
• 3:12:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you got to know Eddie,
• 3:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: like if you were friends with him,
• 3:12:44
  SPEAKER_00: he's a fucking great guy and he's fun to be around.
• 3:12:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's fucking angry.
• 3:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's bitter.
• 3:12:49
  SPEAKER_00: He fucking, I love, he's funny.
• 3:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 3:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: And stuff.
• 3:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I get it.
• 3:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, people,
• 3:12:55
  SPEAKER_00: there's a persona out there that don't necessarily like him,
• 3:12:57
  SPEAKER_00: but he, you know, I don't know.
• 3:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's great.
• 3:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: I love him.
• 3:13:00
  SPEAKER_00: And if you really got to know him, you would go, this fucking guy's pretty cool.
• 3:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: But of course, you know, you got to build it up.
• 3:13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Look, he's the number one guy out there.
• 3:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 3:13:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's getting good interviews.
• 3:13:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in a business with comedians that everyone's got an ego.
• 3:13:17
  SPEAKER_00: The women are trying to break them up, just like guys in bands.
• 3:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Guys in bands need to be taken care of most of them.
• 3:13:24
  SPEAKER_00: They need mommies.
• 3:13:25
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to play the instrument and that's it.
• 3:13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And there's women getting involved in their life and they fucking break up the band.
• 3:13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because they don't know how to make a decision on that.
• 3:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: We were literally saying that at the beginning of the show tonight about how
• 3:13:37
  SPEAKER_01: with bands,
• 3:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: there's like one business guy and a bunch of dumb fucks that would be changing tires
• 3:13:42
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever if they hadn't figured out that they could play guitar.
• 3:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 3:13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I used to live with guys in bands when I was living down in Florida in the 80s.
• 3:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: One guy, I was writing out a fucking bill and going to bring it to the post office.
• 3:13:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, what is that?
• 3:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: I go, I got to pay a bill.
• 3:13:59
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, how do you pay a bill?
• 3:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you do?
• 3:14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you mail it out to where?
• 3:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he didn't even know that.
• 3:14:06
  SPEAKER_00: I just gave it to my chick.
• 3:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: He'd bring a beer into the shower.
• 3:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I respected that.
• 3:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: He'd bring a fucking bottle in there.
• 3:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, yeah, I might as well keep drinking.
• 3:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I going to stop, though, when I'm taking a shower?
• 3:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I respect that.
• 3:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: But they are dumb, a lot of them.
• 3:14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Most of them.
• 3:14:26
  SPEAKER_00: And a woman comes in and totally takes control.
• 3:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Takes control, absolutely.
• 3:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times it goes sideways.
• 3:14:33
  SPEAKER_00: What time didn't it?
• 3:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: What time didn't it?
• 3:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Dave Medichetti and his wife.
• 3:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because she kind of runs the business.
• 3:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was never huge.
• 3:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay.
• 3:14:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, well, look.
• 3:14:46
  SPEAKER_00: All the shit that Sharon Osbourne gets, there wouldn't be an Ozzy.
• 3:14:50
  SPEAKER_00: There would have never been a solo if she didn't fucking rescue me and then be
• 3:14:53
  SPEAKER_00: a fucking pitbull of the businesswoman and go, no, we're fucking doing this.
• 3:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And because they didn't want an Ozzy on Lollapalooza,
• 3:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: she goes, I'll start my own fucking festival.
• 3:15:03
  SPEAKER_00: And OzFest came in at.
• 3:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 3:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: I guess you could say Wendy Dio, too.
• 3:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: She's sort of, I mean, I wish she would stop selling.
• 3:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows if she broke up the original Sabbath with Dio,
• 3:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know, because they had to fall on out.
• 3:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's always about money.
• 3:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it just sucks.
• 3:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: With her,
• 3:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: the worst thing I hate now is the guy's been dead,
• 3:15:24
  SPEAKER_01: what, 15 years or whatever it is, and she's out there selling stuff.
• 3:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever she can find.
• 3:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a phone message or something.
• 3:15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Here, put it out there.
• 3:15:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, fuck.
• 3:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, it's Ronnie.
• 3:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not here right now.
• 3:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Leave a message.
• 3:15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'll pay extra for that.
• 3:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Too dumb.
• 3:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
• 3:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks for coming on, dude.
• 3:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know you probably beat after doing a show and then coming on with us for,
• 3:15:52
  SPEAKER_01: what, two hours or whatever.
• 3:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's all good, man.
• 3:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's fun, man.
• 3:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: I love doing this shit, just talking shit, talking music and all that stuff.
• 3:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 3:15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, speaking of the music, let's get back to it.
• 3:16:01
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to bring up some thrash.
• 3:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to play a band that I'm digging a lot called Harlot.
• 3:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: So hang out, everybody.
• 3:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, they're out of, where are they from?
• 3:16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Portland.
• 3:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're from the Bay Area.
• 3:16:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, they're from, they're on Metal Blade, right?
• 3:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:16:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, these guys are good.
• 3:16:17
  SPEAKER_00: I like them.
• 3:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: They're fucking kick-ass, man.
• 3:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:16:20
  SPEAKER_01: I just chatted with the guy.
• 3:16:21
  SPEAKER_01: With the guy from the band.
• 3:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And this is so awful.
• 3:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even remember his name.
• 3:16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I just talked to him last week, but I don't remember his name.
• 3:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: But great band.
• 3:16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love him.
• 3:16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Anything that's metal, like true metal, I'm all in.
• 3:16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 3:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Jim, thanks so much.
• 3:16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody, go buy Jim's stuff.
• 3:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you guys, man.
• 3:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 3:16:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:16:41
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• 3:18:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, that was The Great Ozzy Osbourne with The Ultimate Sin.
• 3:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Before that, we had Havoc in there, brand new stuff called The Ultimate Weapon.
• 3:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Metallica, now that we're dead, which I guess was just there to piss off the chat room.
• 3:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And Harlot with The Pentinent.
• 3:18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Brand new stuff from them as well.
• 3:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Want to thank Jim Florentine once again for stopping by, spending a lot of time with us.
• 3:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: He was on like an hour and a half.
• 3:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Coming straight out of two sets at a comedy show.
• 3:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty good.
• 3:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: I can't complain about that guy.
• 3:18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Not at all, man.
• 3:18:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was a lot of fun.
• 3:18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Jim's great.
• 3:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was.
• 3:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a lot of fun.
• 3:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Although I'm taking a beating in the chat room for 15 different reasons with Jim.
• 3:18:55
  SPEAKER_01: He was boring.
• 3:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't as funny as he is on it.
• 3:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no shit.
• 3:18:59
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't here doing comedy.
• 3:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: He just got finished with two back-to-back sets.
• 3:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's kind of worn out a little bit, I think, doing two shows in one night.
• 3:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's an hour and a half.
• 3:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: I just think that's – I didn't expect him to stay that long.
• 3:19:15
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't either.
• 3:19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Which was really cool of him.
• 3:19:17
  SPEAKER_02: We could have probably kept going, to be honest with you.
• 3:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, we could have.
• 3:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was waiting for him to send me a text saying, all right, bro, wrap it up.
• 3:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Wrap it up, yeah.
• 3:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I got shit for that.
• 3:19:26
  SPEAKER_01: I got shit for – God forbid I said he was my friend because we are friends.
• 3:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, like, legitimately.
• 3:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: He said it, right?
• 3:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I mean, look, I get nothing out of clout.
• 3:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, clout means shit to me.
• 3:19:44
  SPEAKER_01: It really doesn't mean anything to me.
• 3:19:45
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, he's somebody that.
• 3:19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how it happened after the way we beat the shit out of that metal show
• 3:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: for 10 solid years.
• 3:19:56
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, Jim's a fan.
• 3:19:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's a fan of what we do and he listens to the CMS and he and I text back
• 3:20:03
  SPEAKER_01: and forth pretty much all week, you know, constantly.
• 3:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll send him something or he'll send me something or whatever, you know, just funny shit.
• 3:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:20:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, if you had said, like, say,
• 3:20:15
  SPEAKER_02: my buddy Jim Florentine,
• 3:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: you think it might,
• 3:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: maybe it's just the actual noun itself,
• 3:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: saying my friend, my friend, that it reminds people just of that he drunk.
• 3:20:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's that.
• 3:20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you can switch it up.
• 3:20:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's that.
• 3:20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Look, I don't do it often.
• 3:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Neely's much more into that than me.
• 3:20:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Neely will definitely say that.
• 3:20:36
  SPEAKER_01: And they give me shit all the time because I just talk about,
• 3:20:38
  SPEAKER_01: well, I talked to, and I don't even call him a friend.
• 3:20:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be like, well, I talked to so-and-so.
• 3:20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the fact is I did.
• 3:20:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what do you want me to say?
• 3:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: I heard so-and-so from Anthrax say this or that.
• 3:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what am I supposed to do?
• 3:20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well,
• 3:20:57
  SPEAKER_02: then does it make Eddie Trunk say,
• 3:20:59
  SPEAKER_02: my friend, my friend, I guess, that bad then, you know?
• 3:21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe, maybe not.
• 3:21:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're doing a lot.
• 3:21:06
  SPEAKER_02: You realize like, oh, well, you know what?
• 3:21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's, I get what Eddie's coming from.
• 3:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes and no, because Ed seems to do it for every single person he talks to.
• 3:21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
• 3:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, literally every,
• 3:21:20
  SPEAKER_01: every story he tells is, yeah,
• 3:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was just talking to my friend and it'd be somebody
• 3:21:25
  SPEAKER_01: that you just know is not his friend.
• 3:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like, it's, it's like, you know, stop it already.
• 3:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're not friends with the entire world.
• 3:21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I don't really care.
• 3:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jim was saying, and I do agree with it.
• 3:21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've said it numerous times on here, so it's not like I'm ass-kissing or anything of the sort.
• 3:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I have said all along, I enjoy Eddie's interviews.
• 3:21:51
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 3:21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, man.
• 3:21:52
  SPEAKER_01: I like when he goes crazy on stupid shit that me and Neely can just fucking roast.
• 3:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 3:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I enjoy his interviews.
• 3:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: I've learned from watching or listening to him.
• 3:22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, dude, I always said, I always said, you guys are the two best.
• 3:22:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm not just saying this, you know, I mean, now they're going to probably go off on me.
• 3:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: And now it's your fault.
• 3:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: See, look at his ass kisser.
• 3:22:14
  SPEAKER_02: He's the next one.
• 3:22:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, but in reality,
• 3:22:16
  SPEAKER_02: because,
• 3:22:16
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 3:22:16
  SPEAKER_02: even when we did,
• 3:22:17
  SPEAKER_02: you know, we were doing Aftershocks, we used to talk about it all the time.
• 3:22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, you know, he's fucking annoying.
• 3:22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I always said, like, the one thing about any truck, I can't stand it.
• 3:22:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that show he had, he's just, he's just not a good personality.
• 3:22:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 3:22:29
  SPEAKER_02: At all.
• 3:22:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's not a guy that his show is horrendous on series.
• 3:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:22:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember I was like, I can't.
• 3:22:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that actually soured me on him because I used to like him.
• 3:22:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then when I heard that,
• 3:22:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
• 3:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: he just bitches about,
• 3:22:41
  SPEAKER_02: complains about shit all the time, about having a cold and shit.
• 3:22:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, all right, man, enough.
• 3:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: But I always said, you guys are the two best interviewers.
• 3:22:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, hands down.
• 3:22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And exactly.
• 3:22:50
  SPEAKER_02: I used to,
• 3:22:51
  SPEAKER_02: before I was aware of you and your interviews,
• 3:22:55
  SPEAKER_02: And he was, yeah,
• 3:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: absolutely the guy who was like,
• 3:22:58
  SPEAKER_02: I would kind of,
• 3:23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say emulate or copy, but I would take notes on when he'd do interviews.
• 3:23:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I just saw like an old thing he did, you know, when he was doing the VH1 classic ones.
• 3:23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 3:23:10
  SPEAKER_02: He did it with this.
• 3:23:11
  SPEAKER_02: I read this book, this guy, Derek Shulman.
• 3:23:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think I told you about it.
• 3:23:14
  SPEAKER_02: He was a prog rock band, Gentle Giant, which is an awful band.
• 3:23:19
  SPEAKER_02: But he was like the guy who discovered Pantera, Bon Jovi, Slipknot.
• 3:23:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, all these bands.
• 3:23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, what do you call it?
• 3:23:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:23:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in that book, Derek Shulman's book, what the hell was it?
• 3:23:35
  SPEAKER_02: I just brain farted right now.
• 3:23:36
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot what I was going to talk about.
• 3:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: About the interview and- About the interviewing skills.
• 3:23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's it.
• 3:23:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 3:23:44
  SPEAKER_02: He interviewed Derek Shulman.
• 3:23:45
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 3:23:46
  SPEAKER_02: On an old VH1 Classic show thing.
• 3:23:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it was, I mean...
• 3:23:53
  SPEAKER_02: A phenomenal interview, man, Eddie did with him.
• 3:23:54
  SPEAKER_02: I was just like, dude,
• 3:23:55
  SPEAKER_02: I could never,
• 3:23:56
  SPEAKER_02: even if I tried my hardest to be something like that,
• 3:23:59
  SPEAKER_02: it's just, again, some guys just have it naturally.
• 3:24:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think you're one of the dudes that just naturally can do it too.
• 3:24:05
  SPEAKER_02: And like I said, I think you have a better personality to me than Eddie Trunk.
• 3:24:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think Eddie Trunk's personality on air just isn't that great,
• 3:24:13
  SPEAKER_02: but he's a great interviewer, bottom line, man.
• 3:24:15
  SPEAKER_02: He is.
• 3:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I take nothing away from that from Ed.
• 3:24:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll tell you a very real story from very recently.
• 3:24:27
  SPEAKER_01: As you're aware, I was gifted, and this was a total gift, getting that Phil Collin interview.
• 3:24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because Phil Collin is way up there.
• 3:24:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, on the interviewing line, that's way up there.
• 3:24:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's in the same range as like a Metallica or whatever.
• 3:24:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it really is.
• 3:24:45
  SPEAKER_01: It is not the kind of interview that just randomly hits podcasts.
• 3:24:49
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 3:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I just happened to know the right publicist at the right time for the right.
• 3:24:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was a lot of things that had to line up and just did.
• 3:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like I'm on the interview trail of Def Leppard.
• 3:25:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not.
• 3:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not in that.
• 3:25:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't get those emails.
• 3:25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't get the, you know, it just happened to be.
• 3:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 3:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: The first thing I did was,
• 3:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: is I went to Trunk's podcast and I listened to his interview with Rick Allen.
• 3:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wanted to make sure that I didn't ask Phil the same shit that was being asked.
• 3:25:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I've told you this before,
• 3:25:31
  SPEAKER_01: and for whatever it's worth, the only thing I work at on this, I don't work at this.
• 3:25:39
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing I truly try to get better every time is my interviews.
• 3:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really care about that.
• 3:25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to be the best.
• 3:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I love, I love, love, love.
• 3:25:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you want to know what makes me tick?
• 3:25:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love when people say I'm in the same grouping as Eddie Trunk or Howard Stern
• 3:25:58
  SPEAKER_01: or blah, blah, blah.
• 3:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 3:26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Pick the guys that are the big ones.
• 3:26:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I love even more when they take the famous people and tell me I'm way better
• 3:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: than them, like Jamie Jostin or Dean Del Rey or whatever.
• 3:26:11
  SPEAKER_02: I love heroes.
• 3:26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, come on.
• 3:26:13
  SPEAKER_02: Those guys are terrible anyway.
• 3:26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're terrible, but they get fucking ten times the views.
• 3:26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we know.
• 3:26:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Joster, for one, is because he's a musician.
• 3:26:21
  SPEAKER_02: He knows the right way.
• 3:26:22
  SPEAKER_02: He's the headbangers bowl he did.
• 3:26:24
  SPEAKER_02: And Dean Del Rey, he was just a drug dealer to all these rock stars for years.
• 3:26:27
  SPEAKER_02: So he's got the connections.
• 3:26:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's got the connections.
• 3:26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I get that.
• 3:26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know.
• 3:26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:26:32
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean,
• 3:26:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think you can compare in terms of like,
• 3:26:35
  SPEAKER_02: like we always talk about,
• 3:26:36
  SPEAKER_02: we're so into the old school journalistic, you know, standards and stuff.
• 3:26:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what you bring, that you don't find...
• 3:26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty much anywhere with any of these guys, like I said, other than Eddie.
• 3:26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone else is just a name because of who they know or they're being a musician
• 3:26:52
  SPEAKER_02: or just so forth.
• 3:26:53
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't work through the old school way that you did
• 3:26:57
  SPEAKER_02: where you just grinded your way up to getting Phil Collin.
• 3:27:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that wasn't done because you...
• 3:27:02
  SPEAKER_02: You just had some sort of friends or you knew someone.
• 3:27:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, you did that through pure hard work.
• 3:27:10
  SPEAKER_02: You said doing all these shitty interviews with these shitty bands to build up
• 3:27:14
  SPEAKER_02: the connections with the publicists.
• 3:27:16
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously,
• 3:27:16
  SPEAKER_02: they wouldn't be giving you those interviews if they knew the quality
• 3:27:20
  SPEAKER_02: of how you do them and conduct them isn't top-notch.
• 3:27:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the one that's coming out this week is Grandmaster Flash,
• 3:27:30
  SPEAKER_01: which is obviously not this music or whatever.
• 3:27:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's a really legitimate guy, like on a different level of legitimacy.
• 3:27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is the guy that invented a billion-dollar industry.
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• 3:28:01
  SPEAKER_03: He invented rap.
• 3:28:02
  SPEAKER_03: He invented that shit.
• 3:28:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, he did.
• 3:28:03
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he was...
• 3:28:03
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, man.
• 3:28:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah.
• 3:28:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it started becoming, getting on the radio and took off.
• 3:28:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everyone has their own opinions on who invented it,
• 3:28:32
  SPEAKER_02: but that was the first band that actually made it commercial.
• 3:28:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was him and the Sugar
• 3:28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hill Gang.
• 3:28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
• 3:28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Those were the two.
• 3:28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then, obviously, Run DMC comes right after that and LL right after that.
• 3:28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And not that we're going to get into a whole rap discussion.
• 3:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're not.
• 3:28:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying, for me to get
• 3:28:49
  SPEAKER_01: that opportunity to talk to that guy, That's,
• 3:28:54
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and the publicist, our mutual friend, Jamie, was the one that set that up.
• 3:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Jamie Roberts.
• 3:29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:29:03
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 3:29:04
  SPEAKER_01: she told me, she said, you're the only one in my metal list that I'll let do this.
• 3:29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, see, there you go.
• 3:29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's fucking great.
• 3:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 3:29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I made sure I was super prepared for that one.
• 3:29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 3:29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I really, really prepped.
• 3:29:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the few I ever wrote questions for because I did not want
• 3:29:22
  SPEAKER_02: to do- Does she still come into the interview rooms?
• 3:29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 3:29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:29:27
  SPEAKER_02: I just was wondering.
• 3:29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:29:30
  SPEAKER_02: She was the one who hooked me up with that one I did with the Muslim girls from Indonesia.
• 3:29:34
  SPEAKER_02: That thing is still getting hundreds of views every week because of just
• 3:29:41
  SPEAKER_02: a very unique thing and whatever.
• 3:29:42
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, she gets really interesting clients.
• 3:29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she does.
• 3:29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know she's working right now, that Man on a Mission band again.
• 3:29:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's still working that band, dude.
• 3:29:54
  SPEAKER_01: We have a new record.
• 3:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: I got a feeling I'll probably be doing that one.
• 3:29:57
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what got you, Grandmaster Flash.
• 3:29:59
  SPEAKER_02: She's doing Man on a Mission.
• 3:30:01
  SPEAKER_01: She gets those kind of clients.
• 3:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes you got to do the ones that are...
• 3:30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And admittedly, to be fair to her on that or to those bands or whatever...
• 3:30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just because I'm not necessarily into it,
• 3:30:15
  SPEAKER_01: and this has always been my mantra,
• 3:30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to be into it to do a good interview.
• 3:30:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just have to be prepared.
• 3:30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Prepared, yeah.
• 3:30:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've always said this.
• 3:30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I've been like,
• 3:30:28
  SPEAKER_01: the classic metal show is where you hear what the fuck I want to say,
• 3:30:32
  SPEAKER_01: whatever the fuck that is.
• 3:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 3:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: But the interview is for the artist.
• 3:30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 3:30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:30:40
  SPEAKER_01: And whether I like them or I hate them isn't the point.
• 3:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: They're here to sell their wares.
• 3:30:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I make sure that they do.
• 3:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: You'll never hear me do an interview where I start off by saying,
• 3:30:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 3:30:52
  SPEAKER_01: I really think you fucking blow, but let's talk about your shit album anyway.
• 3:30:58
  SPEAKER_01: You'll never get that from me.
• 3:31:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 3:31:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'll always make them shine as high as they want to take it.
• 3:31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, again, that's the old school journalism way, right?
• 3:31:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's how it is.
• 3:31:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you don't have to love a big – that's the problem.
• 3:31:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't want to get into a whole discussion on the journalism,
• 3:31:14
  SPEAKER_02: but we've talked about that so long.
• 3:31:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it's become the point where now everything is just – instead of promoting things
• 3:31:21
  SPEAKER_02: that maybe other people are into or might be into that you might not be into,
• 3:31:26
  SPEAKER_02: it's all about, no, what I like and that's it.
• 3:31:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not journalism.
• 3:31:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's not media, real media, old school media.
• 3:31:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something,
• 3:31:32
  SPEAKER_02: like I said,
• 3:31:32
  SPEAKER_01: that – That's also why we're not getting any new bands because nobody will talk
• 3:31:36
  SPEAKER_01: to them.
• 3:31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Bingo.
• 3:31:38
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 3:31:39
  SPEAKER_02: No one cares exactly to do it.
• 3:31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about old bands here for a minute.
• 3:31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 3:31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 3:31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk some music.
• 3:31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk.
• 3:31:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to start with Testament.
• 3:31:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is one I'm super excited about.
• 3:31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the topic of this is something I'm never excited about.
• 3:31:58
  SPEAKER_01: So take that for whatever it is.
• 3:32:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm curious what you think of this.
• 3:32:05
  SPEAKER_01: The habit right now with all of these bands,
• 3:32:09
  SPEAKER_01: whether their records need them or not, is to remix their old record.
• 3:32:14
  SPEAKER_01: They remix it, they throw a bonus track on it, they resell it again to the hardcore.
• 3:32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what they do.
• 3:32:22
  SPEAKER_01: And 99.999% of the time, I couldn't give a single fuck.
• 3:32:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't...
• 3:32:31
  SPEAKER_01: The few that have stuck out in my head have always stuck out for bad reasons, not good.
• 3:32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Megadeth remasters.
• 3:32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Remember when Megadeth did it and they fucked up the bass and it's all real loud?
• 3:32:44
  SPEAKER_02: Which one did they do it on again?
• 3:32:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was Euthanasia.
• 3:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh,
• 3:32:48
  SPEAKER_02: they do it.
• 3:32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it does.
• 3:32:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ones that did not need mixing.
• 3:32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:32:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they just did it, especially Euthanasia.
• 3:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 3:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: when you're doing Train to Consequences
• 3:32:58
  SPEAKER_01: and you're hearing Ellefson like 10 times louder,
• 3:33:01
  SPEAKER_01: it used to be, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
• 3:33:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, dude.
• 3:33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who needs that?
• 3:33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Ease up.
• 3:33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 3:33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Ease up.
• 3:33:07
  SPEAKER_01: I like the original.
• 3:33:08
  SPEAKER_01: It did not need a remaster.
• 3:33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 3:33:12
  SPEAKER_01: The only two records I could think of in my lifetime that I love,
• 3:33:15
  SPEAKER_01: love, love that needed a remaster, Injustice for All, which they did not do.
• 3:33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 3:33:23
  SPEAKER_01: They did not do their job.
• 3:33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 3:33:26
  SPEAKER_01: And this one,
• 3:33:28
  SPEAKER_01: arguably with a remaster, will become my favorite Testament album of all time again.
• 3:33:34
  SPEAKER_01: That is Testament Souls of Black.
• 3:33:37
  SPEAKER_01: I loved this record when it came out.
• 3:33:40
  SPEAKER_01: When it came out, I absolutely played that motherfucker to death.
• 3:33:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know that song, Falling Fast?
• 3:33:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm falling fast!
• 3:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 3:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: But now they're going to remix it.
• 3:33:54
  SPEAKER_01: And of course,
• 3:33:55
  SPEAKER_01: as the internet does,
• 3:33:57
  SPEAKER_01: everybody's whining about, oh, you can't fucking fuck with the original.
• 3:34:03
  SPEAKER_01: The original sounded like it was recorded in someone's garage.
• 3:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the truth is, it might have been.
• 3:34:10
  SPEAKER_02: It might have been.
• 3:34:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's possible.
• 3:34:15
  SPEAKER_01: It does not sound good at all.
• 3:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And now they're going to remix it.
• 3:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: If they do it right, this could be really, really good.
• 3:34:27
  SPEAKER_01: This could be as good as getting it again.
• 3:34:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm curious where you stand with this.
• 3:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: For me, it's a no-brainer.
• 3:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Please do it.
• 3:34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Please do it, but do it right.
• 3:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Don't just hire Mayor Applebaum, and I'm not saying Mayor's bad.
• 3:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's very good.
• 3:34:44
  SPEAKER_01: But don't just hire somebody that does this shit to throw some gloss on it.
• 3:34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Make it count.
• 3:34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, The only other one I could think of that I've really heard
• 3:34:56
  SPEAKER_01: that I really think is really substantially better is Pantera's Reinventing
• 3:35:03
  SPEAKER_01: the Steel, the remix that they did with Terry Date.
• 3:35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I didn't know they did a remix.
• 3:35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, on the...
• 3:35:12
  SPEAKER_01: 25th anniversary, whatever anniversary they just had.
• 3:35:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they need to really do one for that.
• 3:35:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's just my opinion.
• 3:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a little muddy.
• 3:35:20
  SPEAKER_01: If you listen to the new one, you get a lot more times dynamics.
• 3:35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:35:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you really do get a different,
• 3:35:28
  SPEAKER_01: not different guitar sound,
• 3:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: but a different sounding tone because it's not as mucky in the mix.
• 3:35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 3:35:35
  SPEAKER_02: I can see that.
• 3:35:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:35:37
  SPEAKER_01: And this one, this Souls of Black, I mean, it just wasn't good when it came out.
• 3:35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see.
• 3:35:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, look, I'm, yeah, go ahead.
• 3:35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Are you going to play it?
• 3:35:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to look for it.
• 3:35:48
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 3:35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no,
• 3:35:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say,
• 3:35:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a huge fan of when they do this with,
• 3:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say every single album, but most albums.
• 3:35:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like the one they did was that I loved, and I'm so glad they did it.
• 3:35:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they did for Beneath the Remains, Sepultura.
• 3:36:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 3:36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm saying,
• 3:36:04
  SPEAKER_02: those records,
• 3:36:05
  SPEAKER_02: because look,
• 3:36:06
  SPEAKER_02: back in the 80s especially,
• 3:36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Remember,
• 3:36:12
  SPEAKER_02: there's a producer,
• 3:36:12
  SPEAKER_02: like I was telling you, that I'm trying to work him into being a part of my film.
• 3:36:19
  SPEAKER_02: And he's a very well-known producer who produced a ton of huge names in metal.
• 3:36:25
  SPEAKER_02: And the thing about it, and this guy, I think, He thinks he's not special at all.
• 3:36:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's very self-deprecating.
• 3:36:30
  SPEAKER_02: It boggles my mind.
• 3:36:32
  SPEAKER_02: He's very humble, which is great.
• 3:36:33
  SPEAKER_02: He's a great dude.
• 3:36:34
  SPEAKER_02: But he's just like, I'm not really that important.
• 3:36:37
  SPEAKER_02: The guy's playing the music.
• 3:36:38
  SPEAKER_02: But back then, there wasn't engineers that knew how to get that sound on tape.
• 3:36:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it was new.
• 3:36:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this was raw stuff.
• 3:36:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, to get the sound of those guitars and the double bass,
• 3:36:51
  SPEAKER_02: all those,
• 3:36:51
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 3:36:52
  SPEAKER_02: just metal in general,
• 3:36:53
  SPEAKER_02: to get that on tape,
• 3:36:54
  SPEAKER_02: it wasn't like you're recording,
• 3:36:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 3:36:56
  SPEAKER_02: regular rock with acoustic guitar where, you know, it's clean and it's easy to get.
• 3:37:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, of course, they didn't have the technology back then to make these things sound great.
• 3:37:07
  SPEAKER_02: But I see those bands like Testament around that era, you know, like 86 to 88, you know, 89.
• 3:37:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean,
• 3:37:14
  SPEAKER_02: they were working on shoestring budgets,
• 3:37:16
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of these bands, you know, with these labels.
• 3:37:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing, too,
• 3:37:19
  SPEAKER_01: in that era with those bands,
• 3:37:21
  SPEAKER_01: the Bay Area bands, they were all somehow trying to sound garage-y, too.
• 3:37:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was another key thing for them.
• 3:37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 3:37:31
  SPEAKER_01: As much as Metallica was the one that catapulted, they all wanted to sound like Exodus.
• 3:37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 3:37:38
  SPEAKER_01: They all wanted to sound like Exodus.
• 3:37:41
  SPEAKER_01: That just...
• 3:37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Garage, beat you to death metal sound.
• 3:37:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they all did.
• 3:37:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you think about it.
• 3:37:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they didn't want to polish it.
• 3:37:51
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 3:37:51
  SPEAKER_02: They don't want it all polished, right?
• 3:37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because you had all the Mutt Lang stuff.
• 3:37:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you had the Def Leppard, ACDC.
• 3:37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 3:37:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, trust me, that stuff, without that, I don't know.
• 3:38:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I got into metal so early in my life, probably, you know, Because of that production.
• 3:38:05
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 3:38:05
  SPEAKER_02: But you're right.
• 3:38:06
  SPEAKER_02: That was more commercialized.
• 3:38:07
  SPEAKER_02: The thrash bands, right?
• 3:38:09
  SPEAKER_02: They were trying to get away from anything tied to mainstream, anything.
• 3:38:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so you said, you're right.
• 3:38:14
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted it to be a little more garagey and raw.
• 3:38:17
  SPEAKER_02: But of course, I used to sit there.
• 3:38:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many albums.
• 3:38:20
  SPEAKER_02: I would sit there and go, God, can you imagine if this was remixed and remastered?
• 3:38:24
  SPEAKER_02: And just if you polish it up just a little bit, how amazing it could sound.
• 3:38:28
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing.
• 3:38:30
  SPEAKER_02: If people don't like it, You don't got to listen to it.
• 3:38:33
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, go ahead.
• 3:38:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're exactly right.
• 3:38:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, you can name all those early albums from the early 80s or the early thrash scene.
• 3:38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Ultraviolence by Death Angel,
• 3:38:46
  SPEAKER_01: Haunting the Chapel by Slayer,
• 3:38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Kill Them All by Metallica, the original Kill Them All.
• 3:38:53
  SPEAKER_01: All of the first four or five Overkill records were You know, Metal Thrash and Mad, Anthrax.
• 3:39:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't care what band you pick.
• 3:39:02
  SPEAKER_01: If you pick whatever they did from 1981 to about 1987, they all sound like that.
• 3:39:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
• 3:39:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden, you know, it started sounding cleaner.
• 3:39:16
  SPEAKER_01: It started, you know, they...
• 3:39:18
  SPEAKER_01: These bands got budget,
• 3:39:19
  SPEAKER_01: or the labels got their claws into these guys,
• 3:39:22
  SPEAKER_01: and we're like, we're not going to put out an album that sounds like ass anymore.
• 3:39:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I remember the stark, stark, we're going to play The Testament here in a minute.
• 3:39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember how jarring the change was from Souls of Black to Electric Crown?
• 3:39:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was like two different bands.
• 3:39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Huge, huge.
• 3:39:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was so different then.
• 3:39:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when those two records came back to back.
• 3:39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Think about even Among the Living to, what was after Among the Living?
• 3:39:56
  SPEAKER_01: State of Euphoria?
• 3:40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think, maybe.
• 3:40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Persistence of Time?
• 3:40:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's later.
• 3:40:03
  SPEAKER_02: That was later, yeah.
• 3:40:04
  SPEAKER_02: So it must be State of Euphoria.
• 3:40:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's State of Euphoria.
• 3:40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 3:40:08
  SPEAKER_02: So think about that change.
• 3:40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Think about that from Among the Living,
• 3:40:12
  SPEAKER_01: which is a great album,
• 3:40:13
  SPEAKER_01: but again, sounds very trashy, to You know, to State Euphoria.
• 3:40:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 3:40:20
  SPEAKER_02: State Euphoria.
• 3:40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking great.
• 3:40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you said the production was just so, I mean.
• 3:40:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:40:26
  SPEAKER_02: And like you said, the big thing was these bands now were getting signed to bigger labels.
• 3:40:30
  SPEAKER_02: And even the independents by then, too, they made enough off these bands.
• 3:40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Coming up where now they were able to get the sound of their newer bands or
• 3:40:39
  SPEAKER_02: the albums, you know, ensuing albums.
• 3:40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sounding better, like the Metal Blade records and so forth.
• 3:40:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, I mean, it just was a new.
• 3:40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but don't.
• 3:40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:40:48
  SPEAKER_01: When you listen to like Metal Massacre 1, all those bands sound like ass.
• 3:40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, totally.
• 3:40:55
  SPEAKER_02: Every one of them.
• 3:40:56
  SPEAKER_02: They all sound terrible.
• 3:40:58
  SPEAKER_01: But then when you listen to,
• 3:41:00
  SPEAKER_01: and I know this is jumping several years,
• 3:41:03
  SPEAKER_01: but you listen to the heaviest album I think they ever put out,
• 3:41:06
  SPEAKER_01: which was Butchered at Birth, Cannibal Corpse.
• 3:41:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 3:41:10
  SPEAKER_01: The production was fucking phenomenal.
• 3:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: For that kind of music, for that kind of music at that time.
• 3:41:16
  SPEAKER_02: For that kind of music at that time, yeah.
• 3:41:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was such a jump, you know.
• 3:41:20
  SPEAKER_02: It was a huge jump.
• 3:41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:41:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, dude, look at it.
• 3:41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, just go back to all those,
• 3:41:24
  SPEAKER_02: like I said, the Sepultura's, all the old Roadrunner, Road Racer records.
• 3:41:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the whole Monty Connor and Scott Burns.
• 3:41:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, those things sounded like, bleh.
• 3:41:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like you said, their early obituary records.
• 3:41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like Schizophrenia and stuff like that, yeah.
• 3:41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:41:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, trust me,
• 3:41:42
  SPEAKER_02: it's kind of funny because you had a band like Power Trip, right,
• 3:41:45
  SPEAKER_02: who some years ago here,
• 3:41:46
  SPEAKER_02: 10, 15 years ago, they actually started putting out their records.
• 3:41:50
  SPEAKER_02: That sounded like that sound.
• 3:41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Just to get the nostalgic sound.
• 3:41:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 3:41:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was for.
• 3:41:55
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, it was a little more done up and polished.
• 3:41:58
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, listen,
• 3:42:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm all for...
• 3:42:01
  SPEAKER_02: Look, I would always... All those old albums, I would love to hear how they sound.
• 3:42:06
  SPEAKER_02: But you're right, though, in certain ways, too.
• 3:42:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's got to be done...
• 3:42:11
  SPEAKER_02: You can't just go in there and gloss it up totally.
• 3:42:13
  SPEAKER_02: You have to focus on what to gloss up.
• 3:42:16
  SPEAKER_02: Because like you said,
• 3:42:17
  SPEAKER_02: it could sound like garbage or it could completely ruin what you know of it
• 3:42:22
  SPEAKER_02: and what you've listened to for all these years if there's Like you said,
• 3:42:25
  SPEAKER_02: certain, you know, vocals that are now out more out front.
• 3:42:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 3:42:30
  SPEAKER_02: it's just basically I think it's good to raise the things that were just so buried
• 3:42:35
  SPEAKER_02: in the sound.
• 3:42:35
  SPEAKER_02: Just raise them a little bit.
• 3:42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Or clean up things that just sounded ridiculously raw.
• 3:42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:42:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because, again, the Megadeth thing especially is just like, stop it.
• 3:42:47
  SPEAKER_01: That just didn't sound good.
• 3:42:48
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds silly.
• 3:42:49
  SPEAKER_02: And let's remember this, too.
• 3:42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, these guys, when they recorded these records, they had like four or five days.
• 3:42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you got to get them done by that time.
• 3:42:56
  SPEAKER_02: So they were doing them fast.
• 3:42:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't time to fuck around with the sound and the mix and everything.
• 3:43:02
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, man.
• 3:43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Testament wasn't going to a million-dollar studio for six months.
• 3:43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 3:43:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even close.
• 3:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Atlantic was probably saying, you guys got five days.
• 3:43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Rehearse till you're ready and then tell us and we'll book the five days.
• 3:43:17
  SPEAKER_02: They did it at this place in Oakland, a sound studio, man.
• 3:43:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I've been there.
• 3:43:21
  SPEAKER_02: I've jammed in there.
• 3:43:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's in a shithole.
• 3:43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's actually got nicer, but a total shithole area in Oakland.
• 3:43:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, total shithole.
• 3:43:29
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a great ton of records that were recorded in there.
• 3:43:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a ton, even like in Vogue, like pop shit.
• 3:43:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 3:43:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, it's a ton of records.
• 3:43:37
  SPEAKER_02: I got them all on the walls and stuff.
• 3:43:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's a cool place.
• 3:43:39
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah,
• 3:43:40
  SPEAKER_02: but that's, again,
• 3:43:41
  SPEAKER_02: it's just kind of like the Sound City Studios in L.A.
• 3:43:45
  SPEAKER_02: with, you know, that's where, you know, eventually Grohl bought that album.
• 3:43:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the studio out.
• 3:43:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I've just been, you know, going back to the 60s and 70s with bands that recorded there.
• 3:43:53
  SPEAKER_02: But they were back then,
• 3:43:55
  SPEAKER_02: those studios were really shitholes,
• 3:43:57
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 3:43:57
  SPEAKER_02: like anyone could just go in there random for freaking, you know, 10 bucks an hour.
• 3:44:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 3:44:02
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so.
• 3:44:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right on.
• 3:44:04
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, this is, I'm glad I did this, man.
• 3:44:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really happy.
• 3:44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's give,
• 3:44:07
  SPEAKER_01: this is the old version because I want people to hear the old version just
• 3:44:12
  SPEAKER_01: so they can hear why I think this could be really good.
• 3:44:17
  SPEAKER_01: With the right coat of paint put on it.
• 3:44:20
  SPEAKER_01: But it has to, again, it has to be right.
• 3:44:22
  SPEAKER_01: If all they're going to do is EQ it and brick the sound, then don't fucking touch it.
• 3:44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because even though it is kind of low in the mix,
• 3:44:32
  SPEAKER_01: like the whole mix was kind of low, I don't want it to be, you know, I hate that.
• 3:44:38
  SPEAKER_01: I hate the modern production.
• 3:44:40
  SPEAKER_01: It is terrible.
• 3:44:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's check it out.
• 3:44:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is a little bit of testament.
• 3:44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
• 3:44:49
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 3:45:37
  We'll see that the world we're living.
• 3:45:40
  SPEAKER_03: The lives of the lives are just corporate decisions.
• 3:45:43
  SPEAKER_03: They'll take away all the hopes of their promises.
• 3:45:49
  They'll put an end to the land of the living.
• 3:45:56
  Look at the lost souls.
• 3:46:01
  They seem so blind.
• 3:46:04
  Look at the lost souls.
• 3:46:05
  Souls are blind.
• 3:46:06
  SPEAKER_01: What do they have, Chuck Billy in a gym?
• 3:46:08
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 3:46:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the kind of stuff I want to see cleaned up is the,
• 3:46:15
  SPEAKER_01: there's like so much reverb or something on that guy who's so powerful.
• 3:46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Why is there so much reverb here?
• 3:46:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 3:46:24
  SPEAKER_01: and they're just,
• 3:46:25
  SPEAKER_01: and the guitars all sound like it's just,
• 3:46:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's an effect or if it's a lack of effect.
• 3:46:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure which it is.
• 3:46:35
  SPEAKER_01: I would say a lock.
• 3:46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:46:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's almost too raw.
• 3:46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like what you would do when you're practicing in your house.
• 3:46:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's a demo.
• 3:46:45
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like a demo.
• 3:46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 3:46:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's a thing.
• 3:46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:46:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, but the,
• 3:46:51
  SPEAKER_01: now let's,
• 3:46:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'll devil's advocate this,
• 3:46:53
  SPEAKER_01: even though I don't believe this at all, but just to kind of talk about it.
• 3:46:59
  SPEAKER_01: The argument against this is why would you mess with something that's That's great.
• 3:47:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I do agree.
• 3:47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Song-wise, it's great.
• 3:47:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you do run the risk of tainting it because,
• 3:47:14
  SPEAKER_01: let's be honest, they're not going to put out both versions.
• 3:47:20
  SPEAKER_01: So if they don't, they're going to do this remix.
• 3:47:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to pull this remix or they're going to pull this version of it off
• 3:47:27
  SPEAKER_01: of all the streaming.
• 3:47:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to not sell it anymore on Amazon or whatever.
• 3:47:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you better have it.
• 3:47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because whatever this remix turns out to be is going to be the official release.
• 3:47:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure that they're,
• 3:47:43
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I mean,
• 3:47:46
  SPEAKER_02: listen, those guys have been together, right, almost the same lineup forever.
• 3:47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they just changed drummers, it seems like.
• 3:47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Just drummers, yeah.
• 3:47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yo, metalheads!
• 3:47:55
  SPEAKER_01: You ready to let the beast out of its cage?
• 3:47:57
  SPEAKER_01: This ain't just an album.
• 3:47:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is Iron Maiden's The Number of the Beast.
• 3:48:01
  SPEAKER_01: The riffs hit harder.
• 3:48:03
  SPEAKER_01: The bass thunders deeper.
• 3:48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Dickinson's voice rips your soul in half.
• 3:48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Run to the Hills, Hallowed Be Thy Name, the title track that made Eddie immortal.
• 3:48:13
  SPEAKER_01: Every track sounds like it's straight from the Devil's Own Amp.
• 3:48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Crank it to 11 and feel the power that defined heavy metal.
• 3:48:19
  SPEAKER_01: Don't walk.
• 3:48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Run to the link at the bottom of the screen and grab this beast right now before it sells out.
• 3:48:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm sure it's something that they're all going to have to agree on.
• 3:48:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I think they'll make, I trust their decision making.
• 3:48:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they're one of those bands that's such a high quality band.
• 3:48:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're the type that's going to mess with,
• 3:48:39
  SPEAKER_02: you know, With their history just to, you know, make a few extra bucks.
• 3:48:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they still do.
• 3:48:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think they still do pretty well.
• 3:48:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, all of them.
• 3:48:47
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 3:48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:48:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's going to.
• 3:48:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because like you said, just listen to that.
• 3:48:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's so much cleaning up to do.
• 3:48:56
  SPEAKER_02: And just like how amazing it'll sound.
• 3:48:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I do like the rawness, though.
• 3:49:01
  SPEAKER_02: And that is the thing, too.
• 3:49:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it gives it its character.
• 3:49:04
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time.
• 3:49:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 3:49:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they feel like they got nothing to lose at this point in their career.
• 3:49:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 3:49:11
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it creates one of those things,
• 3:49:12
  SPEAKER_02: too, where then it's like a collector's item for people who have the old ones.
• 3:49:16
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of different, I guess, reasons to go into why they will agree to do it or not.
• 3:49:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm hopeful that what they'll do is they'll do it like Pantera did with Reinventing the Steel.
• 3:49:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because on that remaster or remix or whatever you want to call it,
• 3:49:31
  SPEAKER_01: the anniversary edition, it still has the original version.
• 3:49:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you get the original and then you get the 2020 remaster or whatever.
• 3:49:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then like some live footage or something at the end.
• 3:49:46
  SPEAKER_01: But that's good.
• 3:49:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 3:49:50
  SPEAKER_01: But again, that's Pantera.
• 3:49:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big, big selling band.
• 3:49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Testament is not a big, big selling band.
• 3:49:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is somebody going to be willing to spend that much to put out?
• 3:50:06
  SPEAKER_01: A double LP on vinyl.
• 3:50:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 3:50:12
  SPEAKER_01: A double CD these days is unheard of.
• 3:50:16
  SPEAKER_02: But I also think about it.
• 3:50:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think most fans now of bands, they'd rather have that than have a new album by a band.
• 3:50:23
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 3:50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 3:50:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah,
• 3:50:26
  SPEAKER_02: so I think it's more like, well,
• 3:50:28
  SPEAKER_02: instead of us,
• 3:50:29
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I mean,
• 3:50:30
  SPEAKER_02: and so are the labels because everyone knows the songs and loves them already.
• 3:50:33
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's a lower risk financially for labels to do it.
• 3:50:40
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 3:50:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think the label would do that instead of funding a new record.
• 3:50:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm trying to think which one would cost more.
• 3:50:50
  SPEAKER_02: But in the end, again, like you said, everything's nostalgic.
• 3:50:54
  SPEAKER_02: People want to have it.
• 3:50:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even if it's just to have for their collection, they want it.
• 3:51:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I think they would.
• 3:51:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's absolutely,
• 3:51:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think I said,
• 3:51:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a much better verse financially for labels to do so and for bands.
• 3:51:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's a win-win for everybody.
• 3:51:10
  SPEAKER_02: I really do.
• 3:51:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know that one is one I'm actually, I don't buy much music anymore.
• 3:51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't.
• 3:51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because I really don't have a physical player to play it on.
• 3:51:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a record player.
• 3:51:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a CD player.
• 3:51:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I really don't have any real reason to buy music anymore.
• 3:51:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I can tell you I will buy that one.
• 3:51:26
  SPEAKER_01: I will buy it on, probably on vinyl.
• 3:51:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll put it on my wall.
• 3:51:32
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I might pull it off if I ever get a playlist.
• 3:51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you won't get to play.
• 3:51:37
  SPEAKER_02: You hate vinyl, so I don't see that happening.
• 3:51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't.
• 3:51:41
  SPEAKER_01: I have box sets literally right here that are unopened.
• 3:51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the Halloween's box set.
• 3:51:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love Halloween.
• 3:51:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it has like five albums or something.
• 3:51:57
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got a good system, man, there's nothing better that sounds like it.
• 3:52:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you.
• 3:52:03
  SPEAKER_02: You hear these things.
• 3:52:04
  SPEAKER_02: You hear stuff on vinyl that you can't hear on digital.
• 3:52:08
  SPEAKER_02: You just can't.
• 3:52:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I love it.
• 3:52:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can deal with the little cracks,
• 3:52:13
  SPEAKER_02: but you don't even care because you grew up with it anyway, at least in my opinion.
• 3:52:18
  SPEAKER_02: I love vinyl.
• 3:52:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a total vinyl whore.
• 3:52:20
  SPEAKER_01: The problem I have with vinyl is twofold.
• 3:52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Number one, I wouldn't just have to buy a record player.
• 3:52:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have any of that shit anymore.
• 3:52:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a preamp.
• 3:52:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have speakers.
• 3:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have any of that shit.
• 3:52:34
  SPEAKER_01: And God knows you defeat the purpose if you buy the one that has a USB
• 3:52:38
  SPEAKER_01: and you plug it into your fucking computer.
• 3:52:41
  SPEAKER_01: What's the point?
• 3:52:43
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I have what I have.
• 3:52:44
  SPEAKER_02: And this, I want to get, because, dude, it's interesting.
• 3:52:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I go to these, you know, vinyl record stores now.
• 3:52:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing that's really, and now it's easy to get.
• 3:52:51
  SPEAKER_02: It used to be so hard to get these old school systems.
• 3:52:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm, like, going to something.
• 3:52:55
  SPEAKER_02: I got a whole bunch of that shit now.
• 3:52:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm, like, I got to find records.
• 3:52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 3:52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 3:53:15
  SPEAKER_02: But it's good enough.
• 3:53:16
  SPEAKER_02: It does the job for now until I can definitely improve it and definitely get something better.
• 3:53:25
  SPEAKER_02: But if you just got that,
• 3:53:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you,
• 3:53:26
  SPEAKER_02: it's already better to me than when I put on the streaming or whatever
• 3:53:31
  SPEAKER_02: on my speakers.
• 3:53:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's still already better.
• 3:53:34
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not what you think.
• 3:53:35
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need the big, huge speakers and, like you said, the preamp and all that stuff.
• 3:53:39
  SPEAKER_02: You don't necessarily need that to have a good quality sound come out of it.
• 3:53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I do.
• 3:53:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have a bunch of vinyl.
• 3:53:45
  SPEAKER_01: I literally have a bunch of vinyl now because,
• 3:53:48
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 3:53:48
  SPEAKER_01: publicists and whatnot thank me,
• 3:53:51
  SPEAKER_01: quote unquote, thank me for doing them favors with their bands.
• 3:53:55
  SPEAKER_01: Again, this is one of the nice perks is I do favors for this band or that band
• 3:54:01
  SPEAKER_01: or this publicist or that publicist and they send me,
• 3:54:03
  SPEAKER_01: you know, they get X number of promotionals of these things.
• 3:54:07
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 3:54:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I get them.
• 3:54:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I have like the Creed reissue of whatever the one is with arms wide open.
• 3:54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Dang, you did a lot of
• 3:54:15
  SPEAKER_02: this shit.
• 3:54:16
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was a Creed fan, but that's still a well-known band.
• 3:54:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's great, yeah.
• 3:54:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the Soulfly box set right over there, unopened.
• 3:54:23
  SPEAKER_02: Damn, dude.
• 3:54:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the Dokken box set right over there, unopened.
• 3:54:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's the thing.
• 3:54:28
  SPEAKER_02: If you're not going to listen to stuff, you should definitely sell this stuff.
• 3:54:32
  SPEAKER_02: Sell it.
• 3:54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because right now, dude, I mean,
• 3:54:35
  SPEAKER_02: I've got – it's funny you say that because years ago,
• 3:54:37
  SPEAKER_02: I did like some street team thing when I was living in L.A., right?
• 3:54:41
  SPEAKER_02: And it's kind of funny.
• 3:54:42
  SPEAKER_02: It started when I was living in San Diego, and me and this girl did it together.
• 3:54:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like a contest like,
• 3:54:49
  SPEAKER_02: all right, whoever – whatever city gets the biggest – it was for rap.
• 3:54:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he just sent me – he was like that guy Bubba Sparks, right?
• 3:54:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember Bob Sparks.
• 3:54:58
  SPEAKER_02: Remember Bob Sparks?
• 3:54:59
  SPEAKER_02: He's actually pretty good for rap stuff.
• 3:55:00
  SPEAKER_02: He's like a Southern guy.
• 3:55:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was a little bit more musical.
• 3:55:03
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just beats and stuff.
• 3:55:05
  SPEAKER_01: He was like Everlast or one of those guys.
• 3:55:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:55:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was similar to that.
• 3:55:09
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 3:55:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember they were like,
• 3:55:11
  SPEAKER_02: whatever city gets the most increase of spins on the radio or requests or whatever,
• 3:55:18
  SPEAKER_02: basically wins some thing.
• 3:55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Now, me and this girl, San Diego used to have this thing called the street scene.
• 3:55:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's there anymore.
• 3:55:24
  SPEAKER_02: But it was cool.
• 3:55:25
  SPEAKER_02: They shut down the whole downtown,
• 3:55:26
  SPEAKER_02: and they'd have all these different stages, and they'd play all this live music.
• 3:55:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so we went there together one time.
• 3:55:31
  SPEAKER_02: We met up with her and stuff, and we didn't do nothing.
• 3:55:33
  SPEAKER_02: We barely gave away anything.
• 3:55:35
  SPEAKER_02: And we were both kind of like, I guess this thing is whatever.
• 3:55:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:55:38
  SPEAKER_02: For some reason, San Diego was number one.
• 3:55:41
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't do shit for it.
• 3:55:43
  SPEAKER_02: So this guy thought we did all this shit.
• 3:55:45
  SPEAKER_02: He was like, oh, man.
• 3:55:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I was moving to LA right after that,
• 3:55:48
  SPEAKER_02: and I actually wound up moving like a mile from the guy's house just randomly.
• 3:55:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:55:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so he was like trying to make me like his guy.
• 3:55:56
  SPEAKER_02: He thought I did all this shit.
• 3:55:57
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't do anything for these things.
• 3:55:59
  SPEAKER_02: So he started giving me free tickets.
• 3:56:01
  SPEAKER_02: He gave me.
• 3:56:02
  SPEAKER_02: So what he wanted he gave me was he gave me all of these.
• 3:56:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was Tupac.
• 3:56:07
  SPEAKER_02: It was like called Better Days.
• 3:56:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't listen to that stuff.
• 3:56:10
  SPEAKER_02: But he gave me like 10 vinyl, like double vinyl records.
• 3:56:13
  SPEAKER_02: And he was like,
• 3:56:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know, you just go to whatever and give these out to DJs so that they spin them.
• 3:56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 3:56:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was a rock and metal guy.
• 3:56:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't fucking know DJs and shit.
• 3:56:23
  SPEAKER_02: But what I did was I kept these things.
• 3:56:25
  SPEAKER_02: All these years, 25 years later, I kept these things.
• 3:56:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you know what?
• 3:56:29
  SPEAKER_02: I guarantee you these things are going to be worth something.
• 3:56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 3:56:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now those things are basically over $100 each.
• 3:56:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:56:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I got eight of them.
• 3:56:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I got almost a thousand bucks right there just, you know, with those things.
• 3:56:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
• 3:56:42
  SPEAKER_02: You can sell those things brand new in the wrapper if you don't want to.
• 3:56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely sell it then if you're not going to use it.
• 3:56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I probably will.
• 3:56:49
  SPEAKER_01: I have so much stuff here that people have given me over the years.
• 3:56:54
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, this is no lie, and this is really horrible.
• 3:56:57
  SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't even admit this because I'm sure I'll get a publicist call over it.
• 3:57:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was sent this book.
• 3:57:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's a Rush book.
• 3:57:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Rush at 50 or something.
• 3:57:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is still unopened in my living room.
• 3:57:13
  SPEAKER_01: And when I say unopened, I mean it's still in the shipping packaging.
• 3:57:18
  SPEAKER_01: Not like I didn't open the book.
• 3:57:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's in the box.
• 3:57:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's in the box that they mailed it to me with, just because I know I'm not going to read it.
• 3:57:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the interview guy flaked like I was going to interview him,
• 3:57:33
  SPEAKER_01: and then he canceled like three days later,
• 3:57:37
  SPEAKER_01: and then he forgot to reschedule, and so did I, and it just fell off the radar.
• 3:57:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's still in there, and I'm not a Rush fan, so I'm not going to open that.
• 3:57:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I have all kinds of shit like that, man.
• 3:57:49
  SPEAKER_01: I got books.
• 3:57:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking right over there.
• 3:57:51
  SPEAKER_01: I got a Black Sabbath book over there, and I've got another Rush book over there.
• 3:57:56
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez, man.
• 3:57:58
  SPEAKER_01: I have the great Bob Nowbandian stuff sitting right here.
• 3:58:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm constantly with stuff, dude.
• 3:58:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's constant.
• 3:58:07
  SPEAKER_01: Here's Inside Metal.
• 3:58:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
• 3:58:10
  SPEAKER_02: Nice, yeah.
• 3:58:11
  SPEAKER_01: There's the Inside Metal that I appeared on, which I'm most, most, most thankful for.
• 3:58:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the Hillbilly Hot Rods, in case anybody's wondering where they were.
• 3:58:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know, it's just junk.
• 3:58:27
  SPEAKER_01: But over there,
• 3:58:29
  SPEAKER_01: we interviewed that Knuckle Bones,
• 3:58:31
  SPEAKER_01: the guy that owns Knuckle Bones, and he sent me one.
• 3:58:34
  SPEAKER_01: He sent me the Pantera Skull.
• 3:58:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think I remember you told me that.
• 3:58:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 3:58:39
  SPEAKER_02: You did some years ago, right?
• 3:58:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think we were doing aftershocks around time, right?
• 3:58:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:58:44
  I'm coming right back.
• 3:58:53
  SPEAKER_01: Knock over my fan.
• 3:58:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:58:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right here.
• 3:59:02
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 3:59:02
  SPEAKER_02: Look at that.
• 3:59:03
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 3:59:03
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody's still in the box.
• 3:59:06
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, and these things are collector's item stuff.
• 3:59:08
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't just like a vinyl record.
• 3:59:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, these are like.
• 3:59:11
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, this thing here sells for like 200 bucks.
• 3:59:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying, man.
• 3:59:17
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 3:59:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're back.
• 3:59:19
  SPEAKER_01: What the hell?
• 3:59:20
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what happened there.
• 3:59:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:59:22
  SPEAKER_02: One of the guys said, blame it on the knuckle bones guy.
• 3:59:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:59:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's his fault.
• 3:59:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:59:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:59:29
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about one or two more things and get out of here.
• 3:59:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:59:32
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
• 3:59:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:59:34
  SPEAKER_01: One of the stories that really.
• 3:59:37
  SPEAKER_01: That bugged me this week was,
• 3:59:40
  SPEAKER_01: and it's one that shouldn't bug me at all,
• 3:59:42
  SPEAKER_01: because it's kind of a band that I,
• 3:59:44
  SPEAKER_01: I like this band, but I don't like them anymore, I guess is the best way to put it.
• 3:59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Stone Temple Pilots.
• 3:59:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:59:56
  SPEAKER_01: You got Eric Kretz out there, and he's talking about how AI is going to ruin rock songwriting.
• 4:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 4:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: We all know,
• 4:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: let's not be dumb here,
• 4:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: we all absolutely know that these guys are, you know, that they're
• 4:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: using it.
• 4:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying they're using it fully,
• 4:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that they're writing all their material with it or anything like
• 4:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: that, but I am going to say they are very clearly...
• 4:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: using it for ideas they're using suno for song structures just to kind
• 4:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: of get some ideas and some vibes or whatever
• 4:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: because it's easier you know it's easier for them to use it
• 4:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: that being said this guy needs to shut the up and I'm going to tell you why okay why
• 4:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: the hell is the guy from stone temple pilots A band
• 4:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: that lost their core songwriting guy.
• 4:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Why is he the one that's bitching about this?
• 4:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: If anything,
• 4:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: by his own admission of using something else to write their songs,
• 4:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: he literally should just quit the business.
• 4:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because Scott Weiland was the lyrical guy for that band.
• 4:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: So having this new guy that sounds like him, But clearly doesn't write with them.
• 4:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how many people bought Perdito or whatever that record was called?
• 4:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: Did you even know that existed?
• 4:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, of course not.
• 4:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 4:01:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why is this guy talking about this shit?
• 4:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, because it's what everyone wants to talk about now.
• 4:01:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, pretty much, right?
• 4:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's just everybody wants to bitch about AI now that it's everything.
• 4:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: And look, I mean, again,
• 4:01:58
  SPEAKER_02: it's one of those things,
• 4:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: like you said, whether, I mean, if they put a new album out, no one cares.
• 4:02:03
  SPEAKER_02: So even if it's ruining it, okay, is it, yeah, I know what you're getting at.
• 4:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I agree.
• 4:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, look, I mean, I'm just sick of everyone just bitching and bitching about AI.
• 4:02:13
  SPEAKER_02: Look, it's like anything, right?
• 4:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: We're all like...
• 4:02:16
  SPEAKER_02: Do I think it's great for songwriting?
• 4:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 4:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we did that thing a few years ago when we did an episode of Aftershocks.
• 4:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: You did it right on the show.
• 4:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: We've created a song on Suno, I think it was, within like 15 seconds.
• 4:02:31
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out two songs that were like, whoa, it's pretty decent quality, right?
• 4:02:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it's scary.
• 4:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: But again...
• 4:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I'm hoping what this does,
• 4:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: and I know it's a bitch to do this stuff,
• 4:02:46
  SPEAKER_02: the analog and the tapes and everything, but that sounds nothing like the digital.
• 4:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: So now you can record digitally.
• 4:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like everything else.
• 4:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: And AI can put out a song and you'll have no idea.
• 4:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:03:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, I mean, again, everyone's just, I'm just tired of hearing the bitching about AI.
• 4:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: And you're right.
• 4:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, part of me is like, no,
• 4:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's like,
• 4:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: it's not that big a deal, you know, in terms of people complaining about it.
• 4:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: I understand these old heads,
• 4:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know, they're just, like you said, I think you sent me something about it.
• 4:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think he's just doing this to kind of.
• 4:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: And people could, I think, tell the difference between a, I hope they can.
• 4:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess it's too early to tell.
• 4:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: But between a great song and one that's just an average one on AI,
• 4:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: I still don't think it's going to replace great songwriting.
• 4:03:55
  SPEAKER_02: See, I think it might.
• 4:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think it honestly might.
• 4:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: You think so, huh?
• 4:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 4:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it can.
• 4:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 4:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: I forget who I was talking to,
• 4:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: but I was talking to somebody and we got into a deep discussion about AI music.
• 4:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was a band guy.
• 4:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: And somebody might have listened to it if you did tell me who it was.
• 4:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: But we got talking to it and they made a great point to me.
• 4:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a point that I had not thought of.
• 4:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: The big bitch about AI music right now is that it's too perfect.
• 4:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 4:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's too clean.
• 4:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's too perfect.
• 4:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: Everything sounds like a Mutt Lang production.
• 4:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: How long is it going to be before they start learning how to do the imperfections?
• 4:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then we get into another,
• 4:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: then you're really talking about how is it going to be,
• 4:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: how are you going to, what gives music its life right now is the imperfections.
• 4:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: But we're already at the point where we're cleaning that out in the studio as much as we can.
• 4:05:01
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 4:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's been like that for years.
• 4:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: But what does that tell you?
• 4:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because nobody's buying any music.
• 4:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to go the other way.
• 4:05:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 4:05:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's going to be beneficial in the long run because people,
• 4:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: when they can't tell the difference, right?
• 4:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: But again,
• 4:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: that's why I was talking about going back to recording in a different way,
• 4:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: doing it the old school way.
• 4:05:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know it's longer, it's arduous, no one wants to cut tape up anymore.
• 4:05:28
  SPEAKER_02: But again,
• 4:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: there was a band a handful of years ago,
• 4:05:32
  SPEAKER_02: they were called the Greybathers, I remember.
• 4:05:33
  SPEAKER_02: They were just a stoner rock band.
• 4:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: It was a band I interviewed and stuff.
• 4:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: And they put out a really, really awesome record.
• 4:05:40
  SPEAKER_02: They have like an old school kind of Zeppelin sound.
• 4:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 4:05:43
  SPEAKER_02: And they did it.
• 4:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: They went down.
• 4:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: They're from Philadelphia.
• 4:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: They went down to Nashville.
• 4:05:48
  SPEAKER_02: They did the whole process.
• 4:05:49
  SPEAKER_02: And the guy said, he's like, I don't think I'll ever do that again because it's just so hard.
• 4:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a lot of time consuming.
• 4:05:56
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what I think it needs to go back to.
• 4:05:58
  SPEAKER_02: It can't be this easy one, two, three way of making music.
• 4:06:03
  SPEAKER_02: I want to hear stuff like that again.
• 4:06:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, nothing is floating my boat with this digital shit.
• 4:06:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's still because it's
• 4:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: brand new, though.
• 4:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, realistically, I know it's been around, what, three or four years at this point.
• 4:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: That is baby band at this point.
• 4:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: Think about, I mean, what makes a good song?
• 4:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: Generally, it's about some sort of a human experience.
• 4:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's about my girlfriend dumped me,
• 4:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: my dog died, you know, the world sucks, politics sucks, whatever it is.
• 4:06:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's real emotion getting put into the song, which generally makes a good song.
• 4:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I am telling you for a fact,
• 4:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about the music part of it yet,
• 4:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: but there's a program out there,
• 4:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sue knows the one everybody knows,
• 4:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: but there's a free one if anybody wants to use it.
• 4:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Treblo, T-R-E-B-L-O.
• 4:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I did the opening to the show tonight with, Treblo.
• 4:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I literally...
• 4:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I didn't dig into it too much.
• 4:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: I literally told it, I want something that sounds like classic 80s metal.
• 4:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the story.
• 4:07:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the story I told it was that we're going to do a silly show tonight.
• 4:07:19
  SPEAKER_01: Neely's out chasing Dokken at a Dokken show.
• 4:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: So he's not here, but Chris is going to do like a drinking show.
• 4:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: And Jim Florentine's going to come on and Monty Colvin's going to come on.
• 4:07:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of what I told it.
• 4:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I told it your name and whatever.
• 4:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: I told it just a couple of points.
• 4:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: I did not spend more than a minute on it.
• 4:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I shit out the song and it was pretty darn decent.
• 4:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't awful.
• 4:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 4:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yo, metalheads, you ready to get your brains blown off?
• 4:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: Blizzard of Oz is now on vinyl, baby.
• 4:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: Randy Rhoades ripping faces off with those insane solos.
• 4:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy Train blasting through your speakers like a freight train from hell.
• 4:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: This ain't some lame stream.
• 4:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is the real deal on wax.
• 4:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: Loud as hell and twice as evil.
• 4:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: Links at the bottom of the screen.
• 4:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: Buy the Blizzard of Oz vinyl and let it take you on a trip.
• 4:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: What would happen if I took that song?
• 4:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I really, let's say I put five hours into it, just five hours.
• 4:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I really refined it.
• 4:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I listened to it and I said, you know what?
• 4:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't quite telling the story I want to tell.
• 4:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: What I really want to tell is that Neely's at a concert in Toledo, Ohio tonight.
• 4:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: And we're not going to do a drinking show.
• 4:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to do a talking all about music show or something like,
• 4:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: you know, I could, if I took a few hours, And really messed with it.
• 4:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: I could make a really good song out of it.
• 4:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: I could.
• 4:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then,
• 4:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: and then once I have the lyrical part together,
• 4:09:03
  SPEAKER_01: then I could go right back in and say, you know what?
• 4:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: This needs more of a hook or it needs more of a guitar solo, or it needs a different tone.
• 4:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: It needs to be down tuned to D instead of C sharp or, you
• 4:09:15
  SPEAKER_02: know, just work it, work it a lot.
• 4:09:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: But in the time.
• 4:09:21
  SPEAKER_01: I truly believe even with this shit at the infantile level that it is right now,
• 4:09:26
  SPEAKER_01: I could produce something quality in five to ten hours.
• 4:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but here's the thing.
• 4:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about like an intro song to something.
• 4:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 4:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was going to say, well, I'm going to go back to Eric Chris.
• 4:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's talking about like,
• 4:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know, again, you're going to have to eventually play this stuff live.
• 4:09:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, for instance,
• 4:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: you can create,
• 4:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 4:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: sooner or whatever it is,
• 4:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 4:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: all right,
• 4:09:54
  SPEAKER_02: give me some leads that sound like,
• 4:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know, some virtuoso type of Eddie Van Halen type of thing, right?
• 4:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 4:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: And a band can do that.
• 4:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: But they're not going to be able to replicate that live.
• 4:10:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think live.
• 4:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think live music is on its way out.
• 4:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to tell you why I think it's on its way.
• 4:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
• 4:10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there's reasons.
• 4:10:14
  SPEAKER_02: I can see what you're saying.
• 4:10:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the venues are closing left and right.
• 4:10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the venues are closing left and right.
• 4:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: We literally have a term for it now because nobody's going.
• 4:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Blue Dot Fever.
• 4:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's willing to go.
• 4:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: They're charging too much for it.
• 4:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 4:10:29
  SPEAKER_01: And the big one that no one is talking about.
• 4:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know who the number one investor is in all of these fucking...
• 4:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: What do you want to call them?
• 4:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Avatar type things, the Kiss thing and the ABBA and all that.
• 4:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know who's the number one company pumping money into that?
• 4:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Live Nation.
• 4:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Why are they pumping money into it?
• 4:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we know.
• 4:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, man.
• 4:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're looking at the future.
• 4:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're looking at their survival.
• 4:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're looking at,
• 4:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: and say what you will about it,
• 4:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: that ABBA show, if you're into ABBA, that looks fucking good.
• 4:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: That looks really good.
• 4:11:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure the Kiss thing is going to be really good after they spent two years working on it.
• 4:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's going to be good.
• 4:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think for us, we're too old to give a fuck about this shit.
• 4:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's it.
• 4:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: True.
• 4:11:28
  SPEAKER_02: My thing is, again,
• 4:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: that's why the whole vinyl industry is blowing up now and everyone wants old records
• 4:11:35
  SPEAKER_02: because they know they're real.
• 4:11:37
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a real emotion.
• 4:11:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's real everything in them.
• 4:11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why people are still seeing,
• 4:11:41
  SPEAKER_02: as we talked about earlier in the show,
• 4:11:42
  SPEAKER_02: still seeing these guys that are playing deep purple at 80 years old.
• 4:11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because, yeah, you can't trust it.
• 4:11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing with music,
• 4:11:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in terms of lyrics and in terms of what hasn't been done yet anyway.
• 4:11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Everything's been done.
• 4:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's been done.
• 4:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Think about this, though.
• 4:11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Think about this, though.
• 4:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say, forget us, because we're all going to drop dead before this matters.
• 4:12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 4:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: But let's take a 20-year-old something, something.
• 4:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: 25-year-old kid that listened to their dad's record collection growing up.
• 4:12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they're a big Pink Floyd fan.
• 4:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't Pink Floyd sell their catalog?
• 4:12:19
  SPEAKER_02: I believe they did.
• 4:12:20
  SPEAKER_01: So Pink Floyd sold their catalog.
• 4:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now you can take that catalog.
• 4:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: You can voice print everything.
• 4:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can sound print everything.
• 4:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: The drums, the keys, the bass, the guitar.
• 4:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: You can have a David Gilmore sound.
• 4:12:33
  SPEAKER_01: You can have all that shit.
• 4:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: They own the likeness to it.
• 4:12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you really think that they did that so they can get a song or two into a movie or
• 4:12:40
  SPEAKER_01: a commercial?
• 4:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, of course not.
• 4:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: They're on board with Ticketmaster or Live Nation.
• 4:12:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're on board with putting out new music that the 20-year-old
• 4:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: that doesn't know shit about going to shows or limited about going to shows...
• 4:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Would much rather,
• 4:13:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know Oculus kind of played itself out because it was big and stupid,
• 4:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: but they're going to find a way,
• 4:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: like with the meta glasses or whatever, to put that shit in your eyes.
• 4:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: And hold on, before you say that's crazy.
• 4:13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure, sure.
• 4:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Almost every kid from 15 to 25 would much rather play their fucking computers
• 4:13:23
  SPEAKER_01: and talk to their friends on the internet than in person.
• 4:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Almost all of them.
• 4:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's my thing.
• 4:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to disagree because,
• 4:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: listen, that whole Oculus type of thing, no one uses that shit anymore.
• 4:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now, remember, I have one of those.
• 4:13:40
  SPEAKER_02: It played itself out because it was.
• 4:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: It bombed.
• 4:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: It was fast.
• 4:13:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was too big, though.
• 4:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's because it was too big and it looks stupid.
• 4:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: I really, I don't know, man.
• 4:13:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's, I don't, it did look stupid.
• 4:13:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was ridiculous.
• 4:13:53
  SPEAKER_02: But I just think people, even these youngsters, I think are rejecting that.
• 4:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 4:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: you have a lot of youngsters that are rejecting AI that don't even really know
• 4:14:03
  SPEAKER_02: that much about it, but they kind of, I mean, I'm just going to use some people.
• 4:14:07
  SPEAKER_02: My daughter's always talking about anti-AI stuff,
• 4:14:09
  SPEAKER_02: even though she probably doesn't really grasp what it is about.
• 4:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think so.
• 4:14:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think, I have, let's just put it this way, I have hope.
• 4:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think there was at one point things were looking like it was going to be like that.
• 4:14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone was going to be fucking walking around in a mask and looking through,
• 4:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: like you said, in the eyes, the whole Oculus thing.
• 4:14:28
  SPEAKER_02: That thing got shut down pretty fast, man.
• 4:14:30
  SPEAKER_02: That didn't even last a few years.
• 4:14:32
  SPEAKER_02: That thing was done in months.
• 4:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: How about though,
• 4:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: do you think,
• 4:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: and again, I'm reaching on this a little bit, but I just am thinking of the ideas.
• 4:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's take a band like Kiss.
• 4:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because we know Kiss is investing in the Avatar world.
• 4:14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe instead of it being an Oculus,
• 4:14:50
  SPEAKER_01: maybe it's a 3D light show,
• 4:14:53
  SPEAKER_01: like a 3D projector type of a thing that's not on a wall anymore,
• 4:14:58
  SPEAKER_01: that you put in the middle of your room and it puts up a stage
• 4:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: and they're dancing around your stage.
• 4:15:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, man.
• 4:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 4:15:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 4:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I could just be crazy,
• 4:15:11
  SPEAKER_01: but I just think that And again,
• 4:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at it from the dollars and cents, not as fans.
• 4:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, sure.
• 4:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: But think about Kiss.
• 4:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: If you could buy the Dynasty tour,
• 4:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: the Rock and Roll Over tour,
• 4:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: the Hot in the Shade tour,
• 4:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: you could buy all these different tours that have different lineups and stuff,
• 4:15:34
  SPEAKER_01: and instead of selling quote-unquote new,
• 4:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: you can sell They're looking for a way to replace CD sales or album sales.
• 4:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 4:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And they're going to find a way somewhere with this.
• 4:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: They are not spending this much money on these fucking sounds.
• 4:16:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they're doing it because I think things are getting bad for them.
• 4:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: I really do, man.
• 4:16:10
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing.
• 4:16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Live Nation still has to make money how?
• 4:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: From live music.
• 4:16:14
  SPEAKER_02: What kid?
• 4:16:16
  SPEAKER_02: These kids aren't going to care about.
• 4:16:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, listen, they're already liking.
• 4:16:20
  SPEAKER_02: They're not just going to only listen to stuff that we grew up with
• 4:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: and our parents grew up with.
• 4:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're going to listen.
• 4:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to want their own shit.
• 4:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's the one thing they don't have right now is they don't have their own stuff.
• 4:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is nostalgic.
• 4:16:32
  SPEAKER_02: These kids are growing up with old bands, but they're going to want newer stuff.
• 4:16:36
  SPEAKER_02: These kids that are like 10 to 15.
• 4:16:39
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to want their own things.
• 4:16:43
  SPEAKER_02: They're going to want to watch their own bands.
• 4:16:46
  SPEAKER_02: Every generation has to have that.
• 4:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Even the generation now, we don't like it because it's gotten so about politics and everything.
• 4:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: President or whatever.
• 4:17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 4:17:20
  SPEAKER_02: my concern is more like the stuff like the Sphere in Vegas and like the sleep tokens
• 4:17:25
  SPEAKER_02: where you put people in masks and you don't see their faces and you don't even have
• 4:17:30
  SPEAKER_02: to see them, but you think they're a real band.
• 4:17:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's my thing is these faceless bands.
• 4:17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because those could be completely just robots.
• 4:17:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you don't know.
• 4:17:39
  SPEAKER_02: They're up there on stage.
• 4:17:40
  SPEAKER_02: You have no idea.
• 4:17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And there's, like I said, president is another one.
• 4:17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody knows who those guys are.
• 4:17:46
  SPEAKER_02: And those guys, I mean, it was like that band.
• 4:17:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was like they didn't even play the show.
• 4:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: And now they're on the Aftershock Festival for the first show ever.
• 4:17:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what a joke.
• 4:17:54
  SPEAKER_02: So those are the place bands I think they're test running this stuff with.
• 4:17:58
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 4:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Could be.
• 4:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Just my two cents.
• 4:18:02
  SPEAKER_02: But I think you can't replace human connection.
• 4:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: I know they're trying so hard.
• 4:18:08
  SPEAKER_02: To me,
• 4:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: the Oculus thing was a huge victory in terms of a failure of it because I was like,
• 4:18:13
  SPEAKER_02: this just can't really happen.
• 4:18:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's done really fast.
• 4:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's surprising that it did because they did it in the right market, which was gaming.
• 4:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: If it was going to hit, it would have hit in the gaming market.
• 4:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: And they did it during COVID when everyone was home.
• 4:18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody wanted it.
• 4:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody wanted it.
• 4:18:31
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 4:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 4:18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think we are done, man.
• 4:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Believe it or not, we went all the way to 3 a.m. here on this coast.
• 4:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice.
• 4:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Midnight, your coast.
• 4:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: We even talked about it before.
• 4:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: We were like, if we get four
• 4:18:43
  SPEAKER_02: hours, that'll be good.
• 4:18:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, you know us, we have phone calls for five hours.
• 4:18:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know, it's true.
• 4:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know?
• 4:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's true.
• 4:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: So it's easy for us.
• 4:18:50
  SPEAKER_02: We could just keep doing this stuff forever.
• 4:18:52
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, man, well, thanks for having me on, brother.
• 4:18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, dude.
• 4:18:54
  SPEAKER_02: This was a lot of fun.
• 4:18:55
  SPEAKER_02: This was a lot of fun.
• 4:18:57
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of fun, man.
• 4:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, it's great talking to Jim and Monty.
• 4:19:00
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 4:19:01
  SPEAKER_02: like you said,
• 4:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: I would,
• 4:19:03
  SPEAKER_02: anytime Neely is out and doing docking runs,
• 4:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: man, you know, If you need someone to shoot the shit with, I'm always here.
• 4:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I love doing these.
• 4:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is a rare one where I didn't get all fucked up and get all completely stupid.
• 4:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I love just doing these shows where I can just talk about music.
• 4:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: And not that I can't with Neely, but we kind of, that's just a different, it's a different show.
• 4:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's a different
• 4:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: thing you guys do.
• 4:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 4:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's a different show.
• 4:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: But this was fun and we talked pretty much all music all night, which that's always good.
• 4:19:35
  SPEAKER_01: So.
• 4:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 4:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, for everybody, make sure you check out Heart of the Matter, H-A-R-T-O the Matter.
• 4:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's out there.
• 4:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's .com and it's on every platform.
• 4:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's on all those channels, exactly.
• 4:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so check it out.
• 4:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure.
• 4:19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Give Matt a like and a subscribe and a follow and a comment.
• 4:19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Please, please, please.
• 4:20:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's great.
• 4:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've been looking at the chat board, too.
• 4:20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's just, you know, let's say some people had a good time.
• 4:20:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm hoping I didn't bore people and I at least did a little justice for Neely
• 4:20:10
  SPEAKER_02: while I was gone.
• 4:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I can do.
• 4:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was fun.
• 4:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll definitely do it again because I'm sure Neely will be out with Dokken again.
• 4:20:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's no shortage of those shows.
• 4:20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:20:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but he'll be back next week as far as I know.
• 4:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And short of me dying, I'll be back next week.
• 4:20:28
  SPEAKER_01: So let's hope we're back next week.
• 4:20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And again, thank you so much to Jim Florentine and to Monty Colvin for coming on tonight.
• 4:20:37
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you guys for listening.
• 4:20:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I never know how these shows are going to do.
• 4:20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I watched the numbers on the live stream all night.
• 4:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: We were all through the whole night.
• 4:20:47
  SPEAKER_01: We were in between about 120 to 150, which is just about what we normally do.
• 4:20:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it was cool.
• 4:20:53
  SPEAKER_01: So very good stuff.
• 4:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, everybody, for watching, for listening.
• 4:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: God knows how I'm going to cut this thing up and put it together.
• 4:21:01
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 4:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: We did some odd timing things here.
• 4:21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Timing, totally.
• 4:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the third segment was two hours with the box stuff and the Jim Florentine.
• 4:21:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not putting all of that behind the paywall.
• 4:21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not doing that.
• 4:21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'll figure it out.
• 4:21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I am going to tell everybody one thing, though, that are the locals people.
• 4:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just a show note.
• 4:21:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is probably not going to be done at 1.30 in the morning or in
• 4:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: the afternoon tomorrow because I'm going to bed.
• 4:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tired.
• 4:21:31
  SPEAKER_01: I took a gummy beforehand, and I'm a little groggy.
• 4:21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you did, huh?
• 4:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did.
• 4:21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't kidding when I said at the beginning.
• 4:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: I took a gummy.
• 4:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to get a little bit loose because I got a little tense before the show tonight.
• 4:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why, but...
• 4:21:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 4:21:45
  SPEAKER_01: just a lot of,
• 4:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 4:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: you get in that headspace of all, when you're doing things you don't normally do.
• 4:21:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 4:21:52
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm running music tonight and guests,
• 4:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: and we don't normally do guests on the CMS anymore.
• 4:21:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I just was like really, I needed a mellow out, so I took a mellow out.
• 4:22:04
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 4:22:05
  SPEAKER_02: So you should be good to go.
• 4:22:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how long ago did you take that?
• 4:22:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, six hours.
• 4:22:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's way wore off at this point.
• 4:22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 4:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say.
• 4:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm tired.
• 4:22:13
  SPEAKER_01: But now I'm tired, you know, because I need to go to sleep.
• 4:22:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you might get it a little later tomorrow.
• 4:22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
• 4:22:20
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted to say to check out Monty Colvin, too, the broadcast.
• 4:22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Monty's broadcast is great.
• 4:22:28
  SPEAKER_02: And he just dropped one that's a real personal one.
• 4:22:32
  SPEAKER_02: He got very vulnerable on it and kind of bared his soul on that one.
• 4:22:37
  SPEAKER_02: So that's really interesting.
• 4:22:38
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't heard that
• 4:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: one yet.
• 4:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Check it out.
• 4:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a little behind.
• 4:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, Jim Florentine's podcast, he's just one of us.
• 4:22:45
  SPEAKER_01: He just hates the world, just like we do.
• 4:22:49
  SPEAKER_01: That one is called Everybody is Awful.
• 4:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Check that one out.
• 4:22:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that.
• 4:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to get the fuck out of here.
• 4:22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to leave you guys nice and peaceful,
• 4:23:00
  SPEAKER_01: as Neely likes to say, with... What am I leaving you with that is peaceful?
• 4:23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 4:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: You are being left with the soothing sounds of divine heresy.
• 4:23:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is Field Creation.
• 4:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And until next week, everybody, peace, war, and go fuck yourself.
• 4:23:22
  SPEAKER_01: See ya!
• 4:23:35
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• 4:23:37
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• 4:23:43
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• 4:23:46
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• 4:23:48
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• 4:24:01
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