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Episode 36 Bray Wyatt Tribute and Payback 2023 Predictions · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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  Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the least requested, least demanded, and
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  co host. Welcome back, Dre. You you what did it do?
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  I'm gonna throw that song bitch on a sandwich and eat it because we're going
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  to Pittsburgh. Yeah, we are. Tonight. We have a very special
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  episode. We are going to pay tribute to two people who passed away,
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  and then we are also going to be talking about Payback predictions, which,
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  yeah, it takes place in Pittsburgh, even though it's in the same state,
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  Doyle, it is like four or five hours away. It's a commonwealth
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  yea, thank you very much. Uh. Yeah, I love Pittsburgh,
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  man. I went to school there, I lived there for the more than
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  four years. But I love it there. Man. It's it's crazy how
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  far away it is from from Philly. It's it's a whole different world.
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  They've just same weird ass liquor laws, but other than that. Yeah,
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  it's it's first first Pittsburgh pay per view since twenty eighteen. Oh wow,
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  first Payback since twenty twenty. Oh wow. We have been they have been
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  a Pittsburgh for a pay per view in a while. Geez, what the
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  hell is the hold up? See you sets where mcfoley got thrown off to
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  Helen celled by the Undertaker and I chose not to go. I don't think
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  we're gonna miss anything this pay per view. That's that's going to be in
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  one of those situations where we're gonna regret not going. You know, I
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  don't know, man, These last couple uh pay per views I've been hyped
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  for and they've kind of disappointed, and I feel like the ones that I
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  just go like this is like a B show, they end up really good.
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  So some hope here. Although I will say the card does not inspire
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  a lot of confidence. Oh my gosh. No, it's like six matches
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  and no blood line at all on the card. Running leaning me yeah,
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  which is kind of really interesting. It's a probably gonna be like a bit
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  of a test for WWE and for the audience, because I think WWE will
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  be gauging to see how well their show does without any blood line involvement,
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  how interested people will be in the pay per view that doesn't involve the blood
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  line at all, And it's kind of a test for the roster see how
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  good of a show they can put on without the blood line. Not saying
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  that they've relied on the blood line have been a crutch for it. But
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  do you know what they say about a rising tide lifts all ships and blood
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  lines. Damn sure been that rising tide for the WW for a while now.
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  Everybody even good off the success of the blood line angle. So that'd
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  be interesting to see what they do now without it. Yep, only ratings
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  will tell. I don't. I don't even know what. Uh well,
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  how many tickets they sold? Uh, it's gonna be interesting to know,
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  especially you know they're gonna have to put on a pretty good show coming off
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  of a w's most recent show. I heard they had over like what eighty
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  thousand people? That was the reported number, and I think Tony Katy even
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  said that like with the cop tickets they gave out, it pushed the number
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  closer than ninety thousand, although you wouldn't be able to tell based on some
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  of the pictures from the event you that I've seen. Yeah, I mean,
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  what was the last time WW had like ninety thousand? For like I
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  remember one of the older WrestleManias being around there. Yeah, didn't want it.
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  I didn't want to WrestleMania's get close to it like usually. I want
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  to say it was twenty three. I think they had eight eighty one thousand.
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  Yeah, that's the biggest show they've had. Yeah, the a W
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  show was was oh I'm sorry, not quite anyone down. I think it
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  was seventy nine. I think the a W was eighty one. Right,
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  Yeah, I think they're saying that that is the biggest show that people weren't
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  forced at gunpoint to attend. Well, the quick Google search what I see
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  says Rustlemania thirty two heading attend. It's a one hundred, one thousand,
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  seven sixty three and that was held at a at a Jerry World in Dallas.
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  Okay, not twenty three thirty two. I you know, flip that
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  reverse it. Yeah, right. It looks like Payback has sold La la
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  la la la twelve thousand, four hundred and they so there's only about two
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  hundred or so, I'm sorry, one hundred and sixty left unsold at the
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  month. So it's essentially a virtual will sell out just at a smaller arena,
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  which yeah, isn't surprising for one being a lesser pay per view and
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  the fact that w W is still riding a really riding a real wave right
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  now of popularity. So yeah, but that's impressive for a W. Like
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  when I read that, I was like, holy shit, Like good for
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  you, Yeah, good for you. I didn't watch it because I was
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  like, I'm not I'm not paying for this. I was like, I'll
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  just catch it all on Instagram, like you know, the highlights and stuff.
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  But you know, it seemed like a really nice setup. And I've
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  been hearing a lot of controversy. I honestly, I can't. I don't
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  know who to believe all this controversy with seampunk backstage about the most interesting things
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  happen off camera. It was like, yeah, I mean, I don't
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  want to bag on eight A W too much come across like an aw hater.
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  But for that stadium they're set up, honestly seemed small, like they
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  had an entranceway, a little bit of walk away and then just this ring
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  that in the midst of that giant floor looked small, like had the ring
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  towers on the side and little display or whatever above it. It kind of
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  looked small in the midst of that giant arena, especially when they got when
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  you saw pictures of the crowd or that, and you saw floor space,
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  like a considerable amount of floor space within the arena. I mean, again,
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  they did their numbers, so they sold the tickets, But yeah,
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  I don't know how well they did at filling out the arena the way we
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  the way the ticket sales would have led us to believe there was like a
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  lot of space on that floor, right, And I can't imagine seeing that
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  at like a w W event and that arena like events decide to be petty
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  as should and say, oh, eighty ninety thousand, that's cute. Watch
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  what we do for WrestleMania forty three. Right, You wouldn't be able to
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  see a speck of floor in that, bitch. And I tell them,
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  ticket sales would blow what AW did out of the water. They would pack
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  as many people in there as they could, Like if the capacities one twenty
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  they doing one twenty two. Yeah, they did Summer slay at ninety two
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  there, But I believe it is. Wembley has since has been rebuilt or
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  restructure crazed and rebuilt I'm not sure which. Yeah, I don't think they
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  completely rebuild it, but they did redesign it to restructure it in order to
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  increase the capacity field. Yeah, they increased the capacity about like over twenty
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  thousand with the restructure of a redesign of renovations or whatever they did to it.
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  It's impressive. Well, unfortunately, this week, well now getting in
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  a little bit of some sad news here, this week was pretty sad for
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  US wrestling fans, whether you watched WWE or you're just a general wrestling fan.
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  On the twenty third of August, at the age of seventy nine,
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  we lost Terry Funk, who got inducted in the Hall of Fame in two
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  thousand and nine. His last match was in twenty seventeen. You know,
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  it's funny, It's like what I remember about Terry Funks him like always quote
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  unquote retiring and never retiring. Doyle, do you do you have anything on
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  Terry Funk? Oh? Yeah, do I ever let's hear it. Yeah.
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  You know you kind of thought that Terry Funk couldn't be killed by conventional
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  weapons, you know, kind of like you put them up there with like
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  Keith Richards or somebody like that. But at the same time, you're like,
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  how the hell did he make at the seventy nine you know, all
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  the shitty did do, all the stuff he put his body through. And
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  I can't help but think of a scene in the absolutely superb documentary film Beyond
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  the Mat, which if you haven't seen, maybe turn us off right now,
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  go watch it and then come on back to your friends here at pc
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  W. But there's a scene in there where Terry Funk is at the doctor's
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  office and they're looking at extrays of his knees and the doctor says something like,
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  Okay, well, this knee has about ten percent of cartilage left.
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  You should probably get it replaced. This is your good knee, this is
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  your other knee, and there is absolutely no cartilage whatsoever left, and you
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  need a new knee right now. And Terry Funk says, well, how
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  long can I live comfortably? And the doctor says, I can't believe you're
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  living comfortably now. And it just goes to show you the pain tolerance this
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  fucking guy must have had, first of all, and second of all,
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  the dedication to the business you know that he's got. He's out there on
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  zero cartilage. I think one of my knees has about seventy five eighty percent
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  left, and I have trouble getting up the stairs sometimes. I can't imagine
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  what zero would feel like. And uh, you just got yeah, you
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  said, you said. He wrestled until twenty seventeen. He started at nineteen
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  sixty five. That's six decades over fifty years. Uh. You know,
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  he won the NWA championship in nineteen seventy five, and back then, a
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  lot of stuff it wasn't televised at all, and if it was televised,
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  it wasn't recorded, and if it was recorded, they often taped over ship
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  so they could record something else. We actually almost lost Monty Python's Flying Circus
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  because of that. So unfortunately a lot of this stuff from Terry's really early
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  career. Yeah, it's just gone. There's no footage of it. There's
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  some photos and stuff, but there's really no footage of him as as n
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  WAH champion, which it's a shame really. But similar to like a certain
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  greatest quarterback of all time, Tom Brady might have heard of him. You
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  can break his career up into errors, and each of those errors is in
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  themselves hall of fame worthy, you know. So you've got that first error
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  with his NWA run from nineteen sixty five through the seventies into the early eighties,
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  and it was actually most forty years to the day. It was August
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  thirty first, a little that nineteen eighty three when he gives that famous speech
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  in Japan, the Forever, Forever, Forever, almost forty years ago to
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  the day. And that was the first time he retired and I lasted a
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  couple of months. I think he pops up in WWF. At the time,
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  he and his brother Dory, Uh, they were on WrestleMania two.
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  H Terry Maine invented one of the first Saturday a little by Saturday Night made
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  events against Hogan and you know, back then, uh, the guy that
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  was wrestling Hogan was the second biggest guy in the company pretty much. He
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  goes to wc W, he has some great matches there and a Hall of
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  Fame number three career starts in the early nineties when he's going over to Japan,
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  I'm sorry, in the early nineties, ninety three, ninety four,
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  he's appearing for a little company you might have heard of called ec W.
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  You uh. And of course in nineteen ninety five, he and mcfoley cemented
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  the hardcore style in mainstream wrestling with the King of the Deathmatch Tournament for I
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  WAH. Back to ECW, where he's winning the world title from Raven at
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  their very first pay per view, barely legal. Uh, and you know,
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  he really puts ECW on the map. And then from there, I
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  mean, this guy was everywhere everywhere. Uh. He comes home, he
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  retires again in his at his hometown Amarello. He has a match with Bret
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  Hart uh and on a card where he had people from all three major companies
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  WCWWW, MDCW all appearing on the same card. And that's how much respect
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  Terry Funk garnerd in the wrestling business. That kind of shit did not happen.
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  But of course, a couple of weeks later, he's back at w
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  at ww f ring with a panty hose on his head. Uh, and
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  he's turning a two jabronies called Rockabilly and the Road Doog into legends in their
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  own right, you know. And then of course it's back to WCW.
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  He's on the indies. Yeah, and you said, last match in twenty
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  seventeen, finally calls the quits. And of course that's just the cliff notes
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  of the cliff notes of the cliff notes of the Funker's career. But you
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  know, he worked everywhere, he worked with everyone, and he gave his
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  all no matter what the size of the crowd was, whether it was.
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  I don't think he ever wrestled in front of eighty thousand people, but whether
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  it was eighty thousand people in Wembley Stadium or fifty people in a high school
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  gym somewhere, you were getting and this. You know, you hear these
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  stories, especially later in his life. He's on these indie shows, He's
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  watching every match, He's given advice to the young guys. He's always ready
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  to adapt and change with the times. He's often ahead of the curve on
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  that. Uh. So, you know, beyond just the physical shit he
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  did to his body, you know, for us the fans, he was
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  giving back to the bi business in innumerable ways. Uh and just a guy
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  that all you know, by all accounts, outside of the ring, he
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  was the nicest guy in the world, supposedly, you know, a really
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  kind gentleman, you know, but capable of absolutely anything in the ring,
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  you know, from a technical masterpiece to exploding barbed wire, everything in between.
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  You know. In the wrestling business as we know, it would definitely
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  be different without Terry Funk, And I'm not sure how, but it definitely
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  would be. He's absolutely one of the most influential wrestlers well over the last
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  fifty years and you know, you just forget suspension of disbelief. I mean,
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  you just believed it. You believed this guy was crazy, you could
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  you believed he could do absolutely anything, you know, And uh, they're
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  never gonna make another one, I'll tell you that. Yeah. I remember
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  a lot of his matches with with Mick Foley, you know, and when
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  he was in WUF and then when he made his brief stint to come back
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  in ww and you know, that guy was crazy, and the fact that
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  that he was still going. You know, I would hear like, oh,
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  I hear rumors that Terry Funk is going to retire, and I was
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  just like, no, no, he's not. No, he's not hearing
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  that man respect as well. Yeah, Like there's just some wrestlers out there,
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  you know, uh, you know Undertaker, Rick Flair. You know,
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  guys that just go until they physically just can't do it anymore, and
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  then then they hang it up, you know. Uh, And and Terry
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  Funk was just definitely one of those guys. Yeah, do you remember about
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  Terry Funk. And Terry Funk was a legend among legends. He is as
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  old school as you can get. I mean, Dole just laid it out
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  for you. All. His career started in the sixties, back in the
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  territories before this ship with National, before Haulkamania, before any of that stuff,
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  back when it was just old school, and if you was the guy,
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  you went from territory to territory performing if you was and that's how you
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  cut that's how you cut yours. You cut it just jumping from territory to
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  territory. If you were one of those top guys, you'd be booked in
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  Minnesota one night, in Michigan another night, then you'd be in Nebraska.
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  You maybe do a program out in Florida for a week, then you're heading
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  up to New York working a program there or whatever promotion whoever we had you,
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  especially if you were the NWA champion like Terry Funk was at one point,
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  that meant that you weren't just the champion of a promotion NWA National Wrestling
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  Alliance. That meant multiple promotions all said you were the guy, and they
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  all relied upon you. And while you were that champi being you went from
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  territory to territory defending that title. You were basically the face of professional wrestling
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  back when it was professional wrestling for any of his sports entertainment ship came into
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  it. So, I mean, Terry Funk is as old school as it
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  gets, and you'd be hard pressed to find a wrestling fan alive above a
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  certain age who doesn't know the name Terry Funk and doesn't have a not just
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  knowing the name, but has a memory or a connection to him, whether
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  it's you know, your dad, your parents who saw him, or your
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  granddad who saw him back in the old school days, or if it was
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  somebody who watched him on WCW back in the day, or watched them in
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  ECW in the nineties, or saw him at an indie show somewhere in the
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  two thousands or somewhere later in his career. Everybody has seen and knows the
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  name of Terry Funk. I gotta said, he is a legend among legends,
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  and the fact that you see so many of the current crop of superstars
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  and so many past superstars. Again, everybody connected with the name professional wrestling
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  has given paid homage to Terry Funk since his passing. Absolutely and not too
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  many, and that that's a testament to him and his name and the legacy
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  that he left behind. That so many people have paid homage to him,
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  and his name stretched that far and transcended so many generations, and ain't too
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  many of them. Ain't too many of them still walking around here, so
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  we gotta appreciate the ones we got left. Do you guys remember some of
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  the movies that he was in? H yeah, yeah, Like he was
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  in Over the Top, Yeah, over the Roadhouse, Uh, Beyond He
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  was in a couple of documentaries like Beyond the Mat, I remember him and
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  Beyond the Mat Friday Night Lights. Beyond the Mat is extraordinary. Yeah,
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  yeah, Friday Night Lights, the Ringer. I think he was in a
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  couple of TV shows, a couple episodes he was in, like in the
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  first movie Semester Sloane Ever directed right before Rocky It was what's it called,
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  What's over the Top of Paradise Paradise Alley. Yeah, he played choreographed the
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  uh the street fights in the awful Rocky five. But he and he Slide
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  remained buddies, uh, you know, throughout the years, and it seems
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  like he was friends with everybody, you know. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  And I do remember seeing him and Beyond the Mat like that came in out
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  in ninety nine. I mean, like, you know, we didn't have
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  a lot of doc like, you know, documentaries like that. Uh,
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  I remember that one being a very popular one. Yeah, and you really,
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  you really didn't know much about any of these people. You know,
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  nobody hadn't they were tweeting, you know, or on Instagram. You know,
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  you had no idea what these people were like. Yeah, hell no
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  anything back this was pre social media, pre yeah. Well yeah that really
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  and all that. So, you know, most of the time back then,
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  if you got any type of wrestling I use air quotes documentary, it
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  was really just something that was highly produced and was really more of just a
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  glorified promo thing from the company, like some superstar showcase, whereas Beyond the
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  Mat took you behind the curtain and took you, you know, outside of
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  the ring to see what these wrestlers that you only see on TV on Monday
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  nights or at you know, on pay per view and see what their life
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  is like outside of the ring. To a certain extent, it really kind
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  of broke what little bit of k fabe still existed. Now, kape had
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  kind of been broken for many people long before this, Like with what we
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  referenced earlier, the steroid trials and all that. But even with that,
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  that just kind of broke the whole wrestling's real type kfabe. But we still
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  saw these guys as characters on TV, and a lot of them still maintained
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  the k fabe outside of the ring. They still maintain their character outside of
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  the ring to a certain extent, beyond the mat shattered all that, Yeah,
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  and just showed you these guys as people. Yeah, you know,
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  not Terry Funk the wrestler, that Terry Funk, the person outside of the
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  ring. Yeah, it had what they actually go through. It had Mick
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  Foley, Jake Roberts, it had the rock in it. So it's definitely
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  worth watching. I know, Like I just looked up. You can't see
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  it anywhere streaming. You can buy it just about anywhere, but like,
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  hey, every couple of years it's straight it makes the rounds. Yeah,
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  it's been on Netflix before, it's been on Prime before, it's been on
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  Yeah, It's been on everything, and I'm sure it'll cycle through again at
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  some point. Ye, even if it ain't worth Even if it ain't for
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  it's worth the rental. Yeah, And I'm sure you can find it through
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  other means if you have the skill set for that kind of thing. Yeah,
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  it just seems like, uh, you know, this year we mentioned
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  it before, but you know, this year just seems like a hard year
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  for US wrestling fans. We lost uh uh, you know, we lost
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  a superstar, Billy Graham. We lost draws this year. He was also
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  Beyond the Map. Yeah, yeah, the yeah, we lost the Iron
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  Chic this year. But you know, just after hearing like you know,
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  after Terry Funk passed away, you know, I'm sitting on my couch and
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  it's like, you know, there's just some wrestlers that you get. Then
• 29:57
  when you find out when they passed awa, you know, like where were
• 30:00
  you know, you remember these kind of things, you know, And you
• 30:06
  know, the day after, at thirty six years old, we lost Bray
• 30:10
  Wyatt Dave, who who's also on the show occasionally, he text me and
• 30:15
  he says, oh my god, I can't believe what happened to Bray.
• 30:18
  Did you see? And you know, I was like, oh no,
• 30:22
  And I immediately you know, went to Twitter, not thinking I'm thinking like
• 30:25
  he got released. You know, that's that's me, you know, at
• 30:27
  thirty six years old, that's where I was thinking the worst case scenario for
• 30:32
  him, right that he got released from his contract early. He or he's
• 30:36
  retiring from wrestling due to medical issues. But no, it was the worst
• 30:41
  uh you know, he had a heart attack after some COVID nineteen complications and
• 30:51
  him That one hit me hard because it's you know, it's a recent wrestler
• 30:59
  that we've we've in with, you know as fans. Uh, you know,
• 31:02
  me and Doyle last saw him in October of last year in Philly when
• 31:08
  he made his return at Extreme Rules, and you know, we were we
• 31:12
  were hyped for that and you know, honestly, Doyle going into Extreme Rules,
• 31:17
  like that was the one thing I had I was looking forward to,
• 31:21
  Like, you know, like this pay per view could be crap, you
• 31:23
  know, the whole night, but hey, we're gonna We're gonna get Bray
• 31:27
  Wyatt. You know, like that was that for us. That was like
• 31:32
  the big thing. You know. The rest of the car and I go
• 31:36
  back and look at the card. The rest of the card was crap,
• 31:37
  but like that was the highlight of the night. They had an I quit
• 31:41
  match, I had a ladder match, I had a fight pit match,
• 31:44
  a strap match, you know, an extreme rules, a good old fashioned
• 31:47
  donny Brook match. But at the end of the day, like it was
• 31:52
  a surprise, but everybody knew it was Yeah, we all knew it was
• 31:55
  coming. And and he though he came back with you know, a evolved
• 32:00
  version of his gimmick. Because you know, I'm sure you're gonna touch on
• 32:06
  this, but like I you know, I was. I remember when Bray
• 32:10
  came to w W when he was part of you know, Nexus back in
• 32:15
  twenty ten. Like, you know, he didn't have the beard. He
• 32:19
  had a little bit of facial hair, so Bray looked very vastly different short
• 32:24
  hair. I remember them saying husky Harris. Yeah, yeah, his gimmick
• 32:30
  has husky Harris. Uh. But I remember the saying, and I'll never
• 32:35
  forget it. He was built like a tank, but he had the Ferrari
• 32:38
  and yeah, because this man could move. He was at the time,
• 32:43
  he was a little bit bigger, you know, he was I don't know
• 32:45
  when he passed away. He was around like two eighty five, but he
• 32:49
  was a big guy. But he could move for his size. He could
• 32:52
  do things guys his size shouldn't be doing, you know, And you know,
• 32:59
  a lot a lot of guys who left the Nexus, even the rebooted
• 33:02
  version of Nexus that was led by Sam Punk. A lot of those guys
• 33:06
  didn't go anywhere. A lot of them didn't go anywhere. You got a
• 33:09
  very small handful, like you know, Daniel Bryan and maybe Wade Baard had
• 33:15
  a somewhat successful career. But you know, Husky Harris was one of those
• 33:19
  guys to break out of that group actually become you know, something he gimmick
• 33:24
  wasn't. I won't say rebooted multiple times. I just say tweaked because we
• 33:31
  had the White Family gimmick, which was probably one of his best and most
• 33:36
  memorable, and you know, then you know, the Eater of Worlds,
• 33:40
  and then he had the Firefly fun House, the Fiend gimmick, and then
• 33:47
  the most recent gimmick he hadn't. I don't even know what you would call
• 33:51
  his most recent recent gimmick, the Uncle Howdy gimmick. I guess you know,
• 33:57
  yeah, either way, like you know, they were all great,
• 34:01
  They all had great entrances. He had, uh you know Gray, just
• 34:09
  the way he promoted himself in the Ring, his god, his promos alone
• 34:16
  were amazing. Uh Doyle, I'm just gonna shut up for a second,
• 34:22
  because I know you got you got it all they tell tell me what you
• 34:23
  got here on Bray Wyatt. H well, you know, even more so
• 34:30
  than with Terry Funk. Uh, separating the performer from the character is kind
• 34:36
  of paramount here. Uh, and talk about it even even even wider,
• 34:43
  you know, chasm between the two perhaps, uh Bray, I kind of
• 34:49
  have a complicated thoughts on Uh. You know, I think he's gonna go
• 34:54
  down in history as this creative genius, but I'm not sure it's really warranted.
• 35:00
  I know, I'm gonna sound like a dick. I swear I'm going
• 35:02
  to say nice things in a second, but like you were saying, you
• 35:06
  know, the redbuted extreme rules. I mean, this last run was just
• 35:10
  a fucking absolute mess. And I can't help but think that if this had
• 35:14
  continued for six more months or years or whatever, and this nonsense never went
• 35:19
  anywhere, and these feuds started, they don't go anywhere, and you're having
• 35:22
  these day glow matches with you know, life size pigs coming out at the
• 35:28
  you know. Yeah, and if William Er not William Wyndham were a ton
• 35:31
  of that hadn't died young, I'm wondering what we're gonna what we would have
• 35:35
  been saying about him, you know, I guess we'll never know, but
• 35:39
  Brave why it was like at the same time head of the like ahead of
• 35:43
  his time and kind of woefully behind it at the same time. And you
• 35:47
  know you mentioned the entrances, right, like, you know, in this
• 35:52
  day and age, you know, audience participation in an entrance is huge thing.
• 35:58
  Right. He even had Seth make in fun of Shinn Scale last night
• 36:01
  on rob because he's not getting that anymore, right, But you know,
• 36:06
  the Brays music hidden, everybody knew it was time for those uh those lights
• 36:09
  to come up. You know, everybody did it. I certainly was doing
• 36:14
  it in extreme rules. I know you were doing it, and you always
• 36:17
  wondered, you know, what's next, what's next? Because what was there
• 36:22
  wasn't always great. But at the same time, he was doing all the
• 36:28
  supernatural shit, which I don't know, I don't know if there's any place
• 36:32
  for that anymore in this day and age. Uh, you know, you
• 36:36
  look at at uh, you know, the success of Judgment Day have had
• 36:39
  after they dropped all that supernatural stuff, you know, But I really I
• 36:47
  loved the original original y family iteration, you know, the kind of backwood
• 36:54
  cult leader thing. I wish he had kind of stuck with that. And
• 36:58
  you know, obviously you can evolve and change that. Uh. Man,
• 37:01
  is it bad. It's had to look back at that. Huh. And
• 37:04
  two of those three guys are gone. Huh. Yeah. She just kind
• 37:07
  of compounds the tragedy here. Yeah, but you know, the supernatural stuff
• 37:13
  just doesn't. I don't think it really really flew uh in this day and
• 37:19
  age. But I mean, anytime thirty thirty seven, Uh, your old
• 37:25
  father of four passes away, it's a tragedy, you know, regardless of
• 37:30
  how it happens. It's way too young. And by all accounts, Wyndham
• 37:35
  Rotunda was a wonderful, wonderful person, uh, great human being, you
• 37:43
  know. And I've listened to quite a few people this week and read you
• 37:47
  know, talking about him. Uh, you know, and it's a testament
• 37:51
  to the man when you know his peers just simply cannot say enough good things
• 37:54
  about him. Uh. And you know, even Raw ended with Becky Lynch
• 37:59
  taking off her window armband kind of looking at it and both smiling and laughing
• 38:04
  at the same time. And that, you know, that just kind of
• 38:07
  sums it up right there. I don't know if you guys have seen this.
• 38:15
  It's been making the rounds. I guess this was something he posted about
• 38:19
  a year ago on social media somewhere. I'm just gonna read it and I'm
• 38:23
  gonna try not to sound like I'm crying, and I probably will the end
• 38:28
  of it. But it goes a little something like this. There's Wrestling is
• 38:32
  not a love story. It's a fairy tale for masochists, a comedy for
• 38:37
  people who criticize punchlines, a fantasy. Most can't understand, a spectacle.
• 38:43
  No one can deny. Lines are blurred. Heroes are villains, Budgets are
• 38:46
  cut. Business is business, but it can also be a land where dead
• 38:50
  man walk, We're on or makes you a leap, where demons run for
• 38:53
  office and rock Bottom is a reason to rejoice. Whoooo. It's an escape,
• 39:00
  a reason to point to blame to anyone but yourself for two or three
• 39:01
  hours, and it used to be a kid again, and nothing matters except
• 39:06
  the moment we are in. Wrestling is not a love story. It's much
• 39:09
  more. It's hope and in a world surrounded in hate, greed, and
• 39:14
  violence, a world war closure may never come. We all know a place
• 39:17
  that has hot and cold hope on tap for better or worse. And that
• 39:24
  just summed it up, you know. Yeah, yeah, Drey, what
• 39:30
  do you got, Bud? Yeah, My connection to bray Wyatt isn't as
• 39:38
  strong as it would as it was for you all, or even my connection
• 39:44
  with Terry Funk, just because bray Wyatt's run mostly came during the years that
• 39:50
  I had stopped watching wrestling on a consistent basis. But I do remember a
• 39:55
  few times where it did happen to check in on raw if something else said
• 40:00
  peak my interests, and catching some moments of Bray Wyatte, especially the earlier
• 40:07
  Wyatt family stuff, and I remember that he kind of always stood out in
• 40:14
  a few times I would see him, like whether it was on the mic
• 40:16
  or just seeing the entrance and the theatrics and all, he stood out as
• 40:22
  just being different from the rest of the roster to me, like he had
• 40:27
  a presence, especially like Doyle said that that early Wyatt family gimmick that had
• 40:31
  like the southern Backwood's vibe to it, like it stood out. It was
• 40:37
  unique, it was it was different. So that's one of the things that
• 40:42
  I remember most about bray White, I think is a testament to him is
• 40:45
  that in this business where it seems like nothing is originally more, where it
• 40:53
  seems like everybody's done everything, and it's really hard to stand out, especially
• 41:01
  especially if the actual character for yourself as opposed to just being you know yourself
• 41:08
  as a person and maybe slightly exaggerated, to try to be able to create
• 41:13
  a true character for yourself and make that work and make it stand out as
• 41:17
  unique and separate from everything that everyone else is doing, and damn there anything
• 41:23
  that's ever come before it. He managed to pull that off, and that's
• 41:29
  a real testament to him and his create his creativity, and again also the
• 41:37
  person himself. William Windham Rotunda clearly was beloved by anyone who ever came in
• 41:44
  contact with him, just from the share outpouring of love from his fellow wrestlers,
• 41:52
  the emotion that you hear from them when they try to talk about him,
• 41:57
  Like I'm seeing a Seth Rolin trying to record a video talking about him,
• 42:02
  and you could tell he was just struggling for words and struggling to try
• 42:07
  to even cope with it. How how much it his bray Wise passing hit
• 42:13
  him and like Dole said, nobody has had a single unkind word to say
• 42:20
  about this man. So yeah, some of his Like yeah, Becky gave
• 42:23
  a nice little promo after all last night you can find on the interwebs out
• 42:29
  there, uh where she basically said all that you know, it's you know,
• 42:36
  people falling over each other. Yea. Even even the big Showy Wembley,
• 42:40
  there were there were tributes to bray Tho throughout the show. I mean,
• 42:45
  and we and we know not everybody in the wrestling business, not not
• 42:50
  every wrestler is a nice person outside the ring, we know, or whether
• 42:54
  they're nice. Not every person's a nice person within the company. Not everyone's
• 42:58
  a nice person to fans outside the company or any of that. Wrestling is
• 43:02
  full of assholes. Yeah, find somebody that is universally loved and universally loved
• 43:08
  to the extent that bray Wyatt was, which seems like an incredible contrast to
• 43:15
  the character that he portrayed on TV. That says a lot about him.
• 43:19
  I think you can said that about both of them. Funker too, Yeah,
• 43:22
  Oh, definitely. Terry Funk's commitment to the business, to the business
• 43:27
  of professional wrestling, and he gave so much to it a few people.
• 43:30
  You will find few people who gave more to professional wrestling than Terry Funk.
• 43:37
  Some of the most notable feuds bray Wyatt had throughout his career that I remember,
• 43:43
  you know, he had a good one. He had a good feud
• 43:45
  with guys like Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan. Yeah that program with when Daniel
• 43:53
  Bryant had to join the Wire Family. Yeah. Remember remember there was like
• 43:58
  a steel cage man and yet finally turned and ripped off his uh the jumpsuity.
• 44:05
  Remember that ship was great? Yeah, yeah, uh, you know
• 44:08
  bray Wyatt and the Finn Balor uh he he had a lot with John Cena.
• 44:16
  Oh that the Cinema, the Cinemattic match or what was it called the
• 44:20
  Firefly Funhouse Match. Yeah, that was awesome. I love that ship,
• 44:24
  you know. I remember when he won his first ww title back in twenty
• 44:28
  seventeen, winning the Elimination Chamber against Barren Corbyn, John Cena, Dean Ambrose,
• 44:32
  aj Styles and the Miss Most notably like the night after he you know,
• 44:39
  he said the best line ever, I finally have the whole damn world
• 44:45
  in my hands. I loved it. And I think what was great is
• 44:52
  at the time him coming up in the Wyatt family. Uh, they kept
• 44:58
  the White Family and the Shield separated for so long, and there was these
• 45:04
  two groups that were coming up and they were dominating the rosters that they were
• 45:09
  on, and they kept them separated for quite some time. And we finally
• 45:15
  got the Wyatts versus the Shield Elimination Chamber twenty fourteen. If you ever want
• 45:22
  to go back and watch that, Just seeing those six in the ring was
• 45:28
  so cool, and you know, not knowing like who these guys would become
• 45:32
  down the road, especially the Shield members. The Watts went over. The
• 45:38
  Watts did go over, and we talked about on the discord, the you
• 45:45
  know, and and he even talked about on SmackDown. The last match that
• 45:47
  he had was with La Knight. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, so you
• 45:57
  know lay apparently his first match she was with Fenn Balor or something of that
• 46:02
  nature. Yeah. I think so, yeah, that's what they were saying.
• 46:07
  Yeah, yeah, you know, I always thought it was cool.
• 46:10
  I always, you know, I always saw his finisher. The sister Abigail
• 46:15
  was was pretty cool. There was sometimes he would just I remember when he
• 46:19
  would give it to guys like brock Lessner and stuff, you know, but
• 46:24
  there was sometimes he would he would do it just so quickly. Uh,
• 46:29
  and it just looks so cool when he would do it. He would kiss
• 46:31
  you on the forehead and slam your your face down on the ground. I
• 46:36
  always thought that was a cool move, even just the name of it,
• 46:39
  Like Sister Abigail, right right. He nobody bothers to really come up with
• 46:45
  good creative names for finishers anymore. Yet here he comes with Sister Abigail.
• 46:50
  And I would hate to forget to mention, you know, his work.
• 46:52
  He did with Alexa Bliss too for a short amount of time, Alexa Bliss
• 46:57
  having that character, you know, she got the change hert gimmick a little
• 47:00
  bit, uh, and that that was also pretty interesting, you know.
• 47:06
  Uh. And there were rumors going around if they were gonna do the Wyatt
• 47:08
  six. Uh, you know, they were they were gonna have we had
• 47:14
  bow Dallas being Uncle Howdy and they were gonna, Yeah, are we ever
• 47:17
  gonna see him again? Gimick. There's a lot of people almost certainly not.
• 47:22
  I don't know, there's a lot of talking about ros I feel like
• 47:25
  he would be over as fuck. Yeah, he's talk about people wanting him
• 47:29
  to come back and finish the story, come back as Uncle Howdy, you
• 47:32
  know. I mean I could see it, But can bow Dallas carry that
• 47:37
  story by himself? I don't know. Yeah, And see that's the question
• 47:40
  to see problem. Yeah, I don't. I just don't know how well
• 47:45
  that would sit with audiences, Like because even if it's bow Dallas doing the
• 47:51
  uncle, how do you think it's still remnant it was still connected to bray
• 47:54
  Wyatt. Yeah, And I don't know if people would accept them trying to
• 47:58
  continue something a bray Wyatt is type storyline without bray Wyatt. And I don't
• 48:05
  even know if they really have the capacity to continue the storyline because I know
• 48:08
  bray Wyatt wasn't coming up with all that stuff by herself. He did have
• 48:13
  one of the guys that creative that was working with him throughout that storyline.
• 48:16
  But I'm still I'm pretty sure still a lot of that was from bray Wyatt's
• 48:22
  mind, from his creativity. So I don't even know how well you could
• 48:27
  execute that. And that's a very delicate thing to try to pull off.
• 48:35
  And I don't know that w W would do that. I'm pretty sure they
• 48:38
  would just leave it as is, and I can't imagine anything further. I
• 48:44
  mean, even at best, even if it's tried to stretch and reach for
• 48:49
  it, the best you could maybe hope for is whenever Alexa Bliss comes back
• 48:54
  from her from her maternity leave. Ye, if she tries to come back
• 49:00
  and then she's whatever, and then you maybe try to play the uncle how
• 49:04
  do you think? But even that, I think is so you know,
• 49:07
  as maybe it was Uncle Howdy influencing or not Bray or whatever. Even that
• 49:12
  is still kind of sketchy and very very much up in the air on whether
• 49:16
  it would actually work or not. And I think w W would probably be
• 49:21
  better off just leaving everything where it was. Yeah, they probably would be,
• 49:27
  but there is no load to which they will not say, so I
• 49:30
  certainly wouldn't check it off the table. Dominic. Every every week, every
• 49:35
  chance he gets, he likes to say that how Eddie grows his real father.
• 49:38
  I mean, we hear about it. I think I've heard about Eddie
• 49:40
  grow every at least like twice a month. They had they had Pillman's they
• 49:45
  had Brian Pillman's widow on there. Like I don't even think the body was
• 49:50
  cold yet. Yeah, that's true. There is no depths that Vince will
• 49:53
  not go to to make Yeah, I would hope that a bit more class.
• 50:01
  Yeah, oh yeah for sure. But yeah, I mean it's just
• 50:06
  like I was just like shocked hearing this news. You know. Uh,
• 50:09
  there's just there's just certain wrestlers out there that you know, they become of
• 50:15
  a certain age and you you know it's coming at some point and you just
• 50:21
  don't know when. Uh. But you know, like you know, I
• 50:24
  hate to knock on wood, but like Rick Flare could go any day now,
• 50:29
  like you know, like you know, Vince could go any day now.
• 50:31
  There's just a bunch of old wrestlers could go any day now. Uh.
• 50:38
  But like you know, I was just reviewing WrestleMania sixty the other day
• 50:42
  on Carlos's podcast, Uh, and we were just talking about how, you
• 50:45
  know, fifty percent of that of that card is gone and a lot of
• 50:50
  them died in their forties their forties. You know that That's that's mind blowing,
• 50:55
  like you know, and we don't now, we don't really expect that
• 51:00
  because you know, wrestlers just live a lot longer now, they have a
• 51:04
  longer between wellness, and I don't think they don't. They're not working three
• 51:09
  hundred matches a year anymore, you know, wellness, they don't necessarily work
• 51:14
  as hard. They're better trained and taught on how to protect themselves and condition
• 51:19
  themselves, and they're not subjecting themselves to quite the same level of brutality that
• 51:25
  the old school guys did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's becoming less
• 51:30
  and less common. I would say we were thinking, I don't know,
• 51:36
  if you waited in dre uh, if you can think who was the last
• 51:40
  active roster member to pass away active roster members Ben Wah, it might think
• 51:53
  he I mean Eddie Owen, Ryan Pillman. You know, it's not like
• 51:59
  it's never happened before, but it has no but it's very few and far
• 52:01
  between. Yeah, a lot of times when when you lose like an active
• 52:06
  if especially if you're talking about within WW Now, if you go all of
• 52:07
  wrestling, then it's probably uh uh Luke, oh yeah, or Brisco Brisco
• 52:16
  brother Yeah yeah yeah, Brisco. So I mean if you if you expand
• 52:19
  it to all of wrestling, sure, but yeah, just w w E
• 52:23
  the last active roster member to pass, you might it might damn well be
• 52:30
  Ben wa Yeah. I couldn't think of anyone for recent Nah. Yeah,
• 52:35
  I struggled to think of anybody else on the active roster who passed any other
• 52:43
  most other names that we hear about a people like former WW star or they
• 52:47
  left WW and there was some other company, or somebody who was retired.
• 52:52
  I can't think of everybody who was like an active performer at the forefront of
• 53:00
  people's minds that was suddenly lost. It just it just so rarely happened,
• 53:05
  you know, and thankfully it so rarely happened, right, Yeah, Yeah,
• 53:08
  especially yeah, because you think of something like that usually would warrant a
• 53:12
  type of tribute episode. And yeah, this was probably the first tribute episode
• 53:15
  we got since really since Guerrel, because I don't think Ben Wat got a
• 53:20
  tribute episode. He just got did he sure did? Did he? Did
• 53:23
  he get a full on tribute episode. I remember they did the announcement,
• 53:27
  yeah, because they didn't wait for the police report. Yeah, I remember
• 53:31
  that. I was like, I mean, at the time, nobody knew
• 53:36
  what we're happening. Yeah, because we all next day, Hey, we
• 53:38
  all felt I remember the raw and I remember Vince making a statement they did
• 53:45
  like the the ten bells salute and all that stuff. But remember if you
• 53:49
  remember the week before they hadn't run the angle where Vince was was killing himself
• 53:53
  off on camera, he lemo when it blew up very next week. Yeah,
• 54:00
  but I'm just trying to think back to, like I don't know why
• 54:02
  Ben Waz is one that I don't seem to remember as much, because I
• 54:07
  remember the Eddie Guerrero Tribute episode, Like they had segments throughout that whole night
• 54:12
  of wrestlers speaking and you know, sharing words about Eddie. Like I remember
• 54:17
  Mark Henry reading the poem and just breaking down trying to read the poem and
• 54:21
  barely getting in. Even Ben Wah when he spoke about Eddie could barely talk
• 54:25
  because he was just completely broken up and just in tears and just bawling his
• 54:30
  eyes out and all that stuff. And like I said, I remember the
• 54:34
  Owen Heart Tribute episode where again they had guys talk people cutting segments speaking to
• 54:39
  the mic and like Deborah breaking down and crying trying to talk about him,
• 54:44
  and no, Mark Harry's poem was for the Owen Heart episode. My fault,
• 54:49
  I correct myself on that. Mark Harry tried to read the poem for
• 54:52
  the Owen Heart Tribute episode and was breaking down and crying, crying, and
• 54:55
  then at the end of that episode, I remember Stone Cold coming out and
• 54:59
  just you know, just toasting a beer up to Owen, not really saying
• 55:02
  anything. Those I remember, but for some reason, I just don't remember
• 55:07
  that same level of tribute being given to Ben Wah because you will never ever
• 55:14
  see a clip from from that from that show or hear it talked about.
• 55:19
  Yeah, it's yeah, I know they've Yeah, it's definitely that thing into
• 55:23
  the darkest back quarter of their vault. I know that. Yeah, it's
• 55:27
  definitely one of those who had to be there situations because I remember it.
• 55:30
  I remember it very well. I was there, but I don't. Yeah,
• 55:36
  it's just because I remember like when I got the news, you know
• 55:39
  what, wasn't even like a week or two later that we found out the
• 55:45
  real truth about Ben Waugh, and I was like, oh my God,
• 55:46
  like no, it wasn't even it was like it was literally. I think
• 55:52
  that maybe that's why, because I remember hearing it, I remember jumping online
• 55:55
  and like trying to find as much information as I could, and I think
• 56:01
  I was listening to some internet wrestling radio, some internet radio show at the
• 56:07
  time, and they were literally talking about it in real time as the information
• 56:12
  was coming out, and like when the information came out about it, they
• 56:15
  were reacting to it in real time on that radio showy, And like the
• 56:22
  whole mood of that show changed from talking about him and celebrant him, celebrating
• 56:28
  him and reminiscing about him too. If this is true, he can go
• 56:30
  to hell. Yeah, if this is true, fuck him, he can
• 56:34
  burn into in the fiery pits of Hell. It's like the whole move it
• 56:37
  changed. I remember listening to that literally all within the same night. So
• 56:42
  maybe that's why I don't remember much of that Raw afterwards, because I don't
• 56:46
  I don't know if I maybe I did not watch it speaking, because I
• 56:51
  think I think by the time Raw had come on, I had already known
• 56:53
  that it was a murder suicide situation, and not just that he had died.
• 57:00
  Yeah, speaking, which makes you also wonder how the fund speaking of
• 57:06
  like hearing it in real time book or t hearing about Bray Wyatt's passing on
• 57:10
  his podcast. I mean, that was rough. That was real rough to
• 57:15
  watch, Like it's rough to see real close people to Bray, like you
• 57:22
  know their reactions to that in real time, and like man talk about like
• 57:29
  the sudden like change in the air of the mood and everything. Just holy
• 57:34
  shit. Like I watched it, and like you can watch it, like
• 57:37
  I posted on a discord, Like you can watch some clips of it.
• 57:39
  And now they added some music to it, and of course the music makes
• 57:43
  it hurt so much more, uh, you know, and sometimes we'll do
• 57:49
  this podcast when we're watching something like RAW Live and you know, something terrible
• 57:53
  could happen, even when we're recording, something could terrible could happen, and
• 57:58
  just you know, that sucks, It really really sucks. You know,
• 58:05
  these guys will definitely be remembered. Uh. And what's great about you know
• 58:10
  WW is all all these great matches, all these great promos that these guys
• 58:15
  did. You know, you can just go on peacock and and revisit these
• 58:19
  wrestlers anytime you want. Like we I mentioned a bunch of those old matches
• 58:23
  that Bray Wide had, Uh, you know, go back and watch them,
• 58:27
  even go back and watch like his early NXT days, you know,
• 58:30
  when he was husky Harris, Like how young and full of energy this guy
• 58:36
  was. And like, you know, like I said, a guy for
• 58:37
  his size to move like he did, and you know, not knowing what
• 58:43
  he would become like what his like you can when you look at Husky Harris,
• 58:46
  there's no way you can picture, you know, the eater of world
• 58:51
  when you look at him, there's no way. Like you know, running
• 58:55
  with Sam punk in the in the Nexus like that was crazy. Back then.
• 59:00
  I was like, this guy isn't gonna go anywhere. Lo and behold
• 59:04
  look where he went. He went somewhere. Uh. You know, it
• 59:07
  was a slow start at first. You know, he didn't reach the heights
• 59:10
  of maybe like Seth Rollins or or like you know, Roman Reins at that
• 59:15
  time. But he definitely surpassed the other guys that were in the Wyatt family.
• 59:22
  Definitely had the bigger career of the four. Uh. You know,
• 59:27
  Daniel Bryan was part of the Wye family for a little bit. Brandy Orton
• 59:30
  was for a little bit. Uh he was even tagged he partners with Matt
• 59:36
  Hardy for a little bit when Matt Hardy was doing his whole delete thing.
• 59:40
  Uh. Man, just so much rich history with Bray White. It's such
• 59:46
  a short amount of time. And yeah, like this last run was rough
• 59:52
  because it was a lot of a lot of build and we didn't know where
• 59:57
  it was going. A lot of vignettes. We would see a lot of
• 1:00:00
  these promos and a lot of these videos and we're like, when is he
• 1:00:04
  coming? And I guess, you know, as fans, we didn't know.
• 1:00:07
  Maybe a lot of it was health issues, you know that, you
• 1:00:12
  know, if it wasn't creative control that you know for his character, it
• 1:00:16
  was probably health issues that we didn't know about. Maybe, Yeah, because
• 1:00:22
  there was definitely a lot of build up with no payoff if you think about
• 1:00:25
  it. He came back at Extreme Rules in October, yeah, and we
• 1:00:30
  didn't get a match from him until the Royal Rumble in January. So yeah,
• 1:00:37
  unfortunately that we'll just be left with, you know, what could have
• 1:00:42
  been? Yeah, what what maybe could have? And what could have been?
• 1:00:46
  What would have been you know, the should have would have could have?
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, I know, I mean, but I'm not gonna sit here
• 1:00:53
  and act like you know, we were really looking that forward to what was
• 1:01:00
  coming at the time, because let us not forget that, you know,
• 1:01:04
  the last thing that was set to happen was a feud with him and Bobby.
• 1:01:07
  Lastly at WrestleMania that nobody was really looking forward to at that time.
• 1:01:12
  It was just, you know, if we're gonna be completely honest about it,
• 1:01:16
  a lot of that, a lot of that. For all the hype
• 1:01:20
  he had in that return at Extreme Rules, which yeah, if you can
• 1:01:22
  go back and watch the clip at and that's arguably one of the biggest pops
• 1:01:28
  you will ever hear in wrestling, and then for it to just kind of
• 1:01:35
  never reach that same height after, you know, past that moment will always
• 1:01:39
  be a bit disappointing. But I think ultimately in the end, when people
• 1:01:45
  remember bray Wyatt, they'll probably look at that last run the way people look
• 1:01:50
  at Jordan with the Wizards and just be like, yeah, it happened,
• 1:01:52
  but we just don't talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, you know there
• 1:01:57
  were times where, like recently it sounded like he was gonna be coming back,
• 1:02:01
  a lot of rumors going through your look, oh he might get medically
• 1:02:05
  clear. Recently is a few weeks ago, Yeah, very recent, And
• 1:02:08
  it made me think too, like, you know, I would have loved
• 1:02:13
  to have seen some sort of feud with him and the tribal chief because you
• 1:02:20
  know, Roman Reins has kind of ran through everybody on both ends of the
• 1:02:22
  roster, and I was like, well, we haven't seen you know,
• 1:02:28
  him and Roman in a long time. You know when Roman came back three
• 1:02:31
  years ago and took the title off him when he was the fiend in that
• 1:02:36
  triple threat or was it I think of the No, it's like a one
• 1:02:39
  on one match and he like interfered or something I don't recall. But you
• 1:02:45
  know, that's the last time we saw this to interact with each other.
• 1:02:46
  I kind of would have loved to have seen a feud with him and his
• 1:02:51
  new gimmick. Maybe if he would have had like a Wyat six, it
• 1:02:54
  would have been on part to be against the bloodline. Know but with all
• 1:03:01
  that said and done and that down and out, I do have a promo
• 1:03:06
  I'd like to play real quick after me and Doel saw him return at extreme
• 1:03:12
  rules. This is a short promo of what he did when he returned.
• 1:03:19
  Uh. So you know, here we go. I don't I don't know
• 1:03:37
  if y'all can read this, sommit, but I am. I'm incredibly grateful
• 1:03:43
  and I'm really really nervous to be him. I never funny this has happened,
• 1:03:55
  and this this this right here. This is just me. Okay,
• 1:04:00
  this is a version of me that I've never got to introduce to you guys
• 1:04:04
  before. This is just me, he being me, he genuine me for
• 1:04:09
  the first time, and I just want to share with you you know this,
• 1:04:20
  this last year in my life, I lost a lot of things.
• 1:04:26
  I lost my career, I loved you. I lost I lost my career,
• 1:04:38
  I lost my self confidence, I lost the two people who are very
• 1:04:43
  very close to me. When I lost my I lost my way and I
• 1:04:54
  got to appointment work. I started every team that I'd ever returned here I
• 1:05:00
  watch. I thought it was all meaningless. Nothing guy ever did has mattered
• 1:05:03
  to anyone, and I was I was wrong. I was wrong. Once
• 1:05:17
  I was done feeling really sorry for myself, and I decided to go out
• 1:05:23
  in the world again and see people that were people leaving where they would say
• 1:05:26
  thank you, pray man when you're coming back home and happy. Once in
• 1:05:31
  a while there would be someone I would meet. It's truly remarkable, and
• 1:05:38
  you know who you are. But these people who they would come to me,
• 1:05:44
  they would come to me and they would say pray. I just wanted
• 1:05:46
  to thank you, man, because I wasn't the time of me, and
• 1:05:50
  I lost people that were close to me, and I lost myself's confidence and
• 1:05:58
  I felt weak not hoo. And in this weekend, say, I found
• 1:06:03
  your words, Bright, I found your words, and I just wanted to
• 1:06:09
  thank you man. You saved my life break as true as I don't think
• 1:06:21
  about stuff like that. And the thing about that is that I can sit
• 1:06:39
  here right and now today and I can look at all of you in the
• 1:06:43
  eyes, and I can say that you were there when I was weak,
• 1:06:46
  when I was unable, when I was down. So I just wanted to
• 1:06:49
  say thank you. You all saved my life. Tell you what that promo
• 1:06:58
  really hits now when you listen to it. Yeah, yeah, definitely that
• 1:07:02
  was a man being as real and raw and honest and vulnerable as you're likely
• 1:07:10
  ever to see in a wrestling ring. Yeah yeah, like breaking the fourth
• 1:07:14
  wall here, like you know, breaking cafe, breaking his character and just
• 1:07:19
  talking from the heart like you know, and when you it made me think
• 1:07:24
  about that promo. You know, I was like, I gotta play I
• 1:07:27
  was gonna play one of his great promos, and I was like, you
• 1:07:30
  know what, like, let me play one that's a recent one where he
• 1:07:33
  was real like, because that one like really hit hard because we knew he
• 1:07:41
  was going through a lot of stuff at the time, and I mean,
• 1:07:46
  damn that hit. Rest in peace to two legends. Yeah, yes,
• 1:07:54
  sir. All right. With that said, let's take a quick little break
• 1:07:58
  and we'll be back with the payback predictions. I'll get to the miz in
• 1:08:11
  a second. But from what I can tell, tonight's about bray Wyatt.
• 1:08:28
  I walked out here into this building tonight and I saw everybody out here representing
• 1:08:32
  with the fireflies, and it's just got me thinking. It had me rewinding
• 1:08:40
  my mind a little bit because I think back to the fact that sometimes your
• 1:08:45
  greatest foes can turn out to be your greatest helpers. Well, let me
• 1:08:55
  just go ahead and be honest about this. Bray Wyatt and I we went
• 1:08:58
  through hell. That guy. I did everything imaginable to me, and I
• 1:09:01
  did everything that I could back to him, and through that, you know
• 1:09:04
  what he was doing. He was getting me ready for anything. And I'm
• 1:09:16
  gonna be honest. I help myself together pretty well tonight and tell us all
• 1:09:19
  the pictures of his family. I gotta be honest. My heart breaks for
• 1:09:23
  that. But as I look around I can hear it. I can feel
• 1:09:30
  it again when I saw each one of those fireflies out here tonight, I
• 1:09:36
  know that all of you can feel the spirit of Bray wide in this building.
• 1:10:06
  Now, I ain't gonna come out here and act like he and I
• 1:10:10
  were best friends, but I will repeat that exact sentiment, Thank you,
• 1:10:15
  brain, because just like you're off feeling, the spirit is the same spirit
• 1:10:23
  that allows me to stand here and say, let me talk to you.
• 1:10:30
  The miss gets on the screen, he goes to TMS, he goes anywhere,
• 1:10:34
  he can't, he says the same tired old material. Oh, La
• 1:10:40
  Knight's just a I'm sorry, I have too much base in my voice right
• 1:10:43
  now. La Knight's just a fad. L A. Knight is just He's
• 1:10:50
  yesterday's news. Well guess what, budd If I'm just a fat I'm okay
• 1:10:56
  with that because you never were Nobody ever cared about Turn even when you had
• 1:11:02
  a stunt double, he was the star. Even when you talk about your
• 1:11:09
  championship ran from twelve years ago, and good for you, you were background
• 1:11:14
  to a story about the Rock and Sean Cena. Yet still you want to
• 1:11:20
  talk about me. So I tell you what you say that you want to
• 1:11:26
  end LA Night. If you're looking for the end of La Night, forever
• 1:11:29
  is a mighty long time. So I'll tell you this anytime anywhere SmackDown Raw
• 1:11:33
  Hell, we can go to TMZ. I will show you once and for
• 1:11:38
  all, whose game is it? With everybody saying, yeah, well,
• 1:11:51
  one more thing. Ms. A wise man once told me the next time
• 1:12:02
  you see me, run alright, and we are back. Alright, tissues
• 1:12:13
  are away. We're done morning, We're done with the sad stuff. Let's
• 1:12:17
  try to uh pick things up here. We're going to talk about Payback for
• 1:12:23
  twenty twenty three, happening September second in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, at the PPG
• 1:12:29
  Paints Paints Arena. Yeah, okay, this is uh following Summer Slam or
• 1:12:36
  whatever pay per view NXT had recently, but we'll say Summer Slam. I
• 1:12:43
  think after this they're gonna have NXT No Mercy and then it's gonna be fast
• 1:12:47
  Lane for us. So, uh god, this this card's very very light.
• 1:12:54
  We're so used to like a heavy card. We only got six matches
• 1:12:59
  thus far. It is Tuesday. We still have a SmackDown, so maybe
• 1:13:04
  matches can be added. On SmackDown. You know, it's a good possibility,
• 1:13:10
  but I kind of doubt it. I did read something today Gunther's not
• 1:13:15
  on the card and Triple HS didn't want to oversaturate the card, and I
• 1:13:19
  was like, why do we have a lot of matches? And then I
• 1:13:23
  went on here and looked I was like, what the fuck? That was
• 1:13:28
  the same thing he said about SummerSlam when people were complaining about the women's matches
• 1:13:32
  being cut. I didn't want to saturate the card one more time for stuff.
• 1:13:36
  And we'll see how well that decision, how wise of a decision that
• 1:13:45
  is. That's obviously still TBD with this show. My question is this,
• 1:13:50
  with it being in Pittsburgh, just random questions to y'all. How many Pittsburgh
• 1:13:56
  Steeler title belts are y'all? Do you think you're going to see in the
• 1:14:00
  crowd? Jip if they ship yet? Yeah? I think so? What
• 1:14:08
  is this? Okay? So, now WW came out with h these new
• 1:14:13
  wrestling titles that that have you know, the football teams on them. Now
• 1:14:17
  I'm assuming it's some sort of collaboration between the ww and NFL where they've got
• 1:14:23
  title belts for all thirty two NFL teams, which some people had thought they
• 1:14:29
  were only thirty one, and obviously the one that would have been in question
• 1:14:34
  would be the Jacksonville Jaguars, given that they are owned by Shad Khan,
• 1:14:39
  whose son is Tony Kahn, obviously of a W. So some people,
• 1:14:45
  I don't know if we've ever gotten a real definitive answer, like they went,
• 1:14:48
  the belts went up for sale, and Jacksonville Jaguars was the first one
• 1:14:54
  to disappear off of the site. From the titles, they probably made five
• 1:15:00
  of them, right, And that's where a lot of people have wondered,
• 1:15:03
  because Jacksonville was the first one to disappear, and so people immediately thought,
• 1:15:10
  oh, they before people realized they had it, some people thought that they
• 1:15:13
  made only thirty one belts and they chose not to make Jacksonville one because fuck
• 1:15:17
  you a W make your own goddamn belt. And then people saw that actually
• 1:15:21
  was up there at one point, so then people wondered, Okay, was
• 1:15:27
  it up there, and did Vince make a call to say, hey,
• 1:15:29
  take that Jacksonville shit the fuck off, you know, get that shit out
• 1:15:32
  of here, or did it actually sell out that fast like our Jacksonville people
• 1:15:38
  in Jacksonville just that rabbid and bought the shit out of them, or like
• 1:15:42
  you suggested, Doele, did w W say like, all right, we'll
• 1:15:45
  make all thirty two NFL teams, but we're only making three for Jacksonville and
• 1:15:48
  those three immediately got bought. So nobody knows what the true answer is or
• 1:15:55
  did they know legitimately sell out? Are they just you know, really rabid
• 1:15:59
  fans like that in Jacksonville and they ready to do vallow it up like a
• 1:16:02
  motherfucker this year for Trevor Lawrence. Who knows, nobody really knows the truth.
• 1:16:06
  But they got the belts. They I think the look of them is
• 1:16:13
  hit and miss depending on the team. Yeah, they are, in my
• 1:16:16
  opinion, definitely overpriced at five hundred fifty bucks each, Like you're definitely paying
• 1:16:23
  that NFL tax because nothing about the Belts to me says five hundred fifty bucks.
• 1:16:29
  That's that's four expensive there in their own damn titles. Yeah, that's
• 1:16:32
  the weird thing is that they don't look like the WWE titles. They actually
• 1:16:38
  kind of look like the AW titles somewhat. AW. I kind of got
• 1:16:43
  a mix of a I kind of got hybrid like the old undisputed titles slash
• 1:16:48
  intercontinental titles. But they do not look like the right. No, they
• 1:16:58
  look nothing like the current belt. They're not like that uh WW title that
• 1:17:03
  they've all been passing out to all teams when they win championships, which I
• 1:17:06
  think is okay. I think that's perfectly fine. Yeah, because that makes
• 1:17:11
  that belt feel special. When a team wins the championship and they get their
• 1:17:15
  unique you know, WW championship belt to commemorate their win, you know,
• 1:17:20
  that feels special because I don't know, I don't know if they make those
• 1:17:24
  belts. I don't know if they put those belts up for sale to the
• 1:17:27
  general public. Yeah, they do. I think those are it's it's it's
• 1:17:31
  on uh WWE shop dot com. It can't click on it yet. I
• 1:17:38
  don't think it's available yet. But uh I'm looking at like they even had
• 1:17:43
  the strap change colors, which makes sense, like they have the Cowboys of
• 1:17:46
  the Grace strap San Francisco. It must be a limited running because I just
• 1:17:50
  searched Denver Nuggets on the WW shopping I didn't see that uh Dever Nuggets now,
• 1:17:58
  But like, I wonder it's not let me click on it. Maybe
• 1:18:02
  you guys are talking about two different things. Yeah, yeah, I guess
• 1:18:06
  yeah. Yeah. What I was talking about was when each team wins a
• 1:18:11
  championship, like the Denver Nuggets just won their NBA title, and then they
• 1:18:15
  come up they get that unique replica of the w W Undisputed Universal Championship that
• 1:18:21
  Roman Brains has and WW puts that out for gives each team one of those.
• 1:18:27
  Yeah, those I think is a one off. I don't think they
• 1:18:29
  make that built. See, that makes more sense to me if they sold
• 1:18:33
  the side plates, you know, so you can get your your you know,
• 1:18:41
  fucking Seattle Seahawks or your University of Florida or whatever side plate to put
• 1:18:46
  on the existing and I mean the existing championship you've already spent six hundred dollars
• 1:18:53
  on. I mean these would still be three hundred dollars or something like that.
• 1:18:56
  Yeah, but see, I think they choose not. I think they
• 1:18:58
  choose not to do that to make the belt that they give each team special,
• 1:19:02
  because it's that's basically what you just described is exactly what they do for
• 1:19:06
  each team, right, take the Universal title belt and slap whatever's team's logo
• 1:19:11
  wanted on a slap on the side plates and say congratulations. So you know,
• 1:19:15
  if any old joke could go out there apply the same thing. I
• 1:19:18
  don't think they sell Superstar side plates either, which seems like a missed opportunity
• 1:19:25
  to me. Yeah, now Superstar side plates is a different story. Yeah,
• 1:19:28
  that is admittedly a missed opportunity. Yeah, so I think the side
• 1:19:32
  flights. Did you guys see Seth head Bray's side plates on his belt last
• 1:19:38
  night? I call that a right. We don't want to go back to
• 1:19:41
  that popped in my head. You know what's weird is I'm on wwshop dot
• 1:19:45
  com. Those they're called legacy title belts, the football ones. They are
• 1:19:51
  more expensive than the average title, Like if you want the Undisputed Universal Titles
• 1:19:57
  five hundred bucks, so you're paying fifty extra bucks. Uh wow, L
• 1:20:02
  yeah, jesus, uh do you guys? O? God? Why is
• 1:20:09
  there is an Elite Series Universal Championship replica belt for two grand and it says
• 1:20:15
  in bright red letters almost gone? Who the fuck is spending two grand on
• 1:20:18
  a belt? Yeah? Hard fans with money to burn? No, you
• 1:20:25
  know where's that belt? Green shirt guy? Yeah, green shirt? Yeah,
• 1:20:30
  he's got that fucking belt. Those are the people who buy those belts.
• 1:20:32
  I forget how much it was when the bray Wide belt came out.
• 1:20:35
  I remember that was super expected, the Fiend belt. I remember that being
• 1:20:41
  like ridiculous in price and like nobody could afford it. You know, what
• 1:20:45
  a weird they just made a weird Edge intercontinental belt. Yeah, for some
• 1:20:50
  which it was yeah I'm hideous, Yeah, and it was like why why
• 1:20:56
  intercontinental? But I mean like he was Intercontinental champion a couple of times,
• 1:21:00
  but like, I don't associate Edge with d C title. I associate him
• 1:21:05
  with the Spinner title. Yeah, probably because and probably because that damn Spinner
• 1:21:10
  bell is probably expensive as fuck, but as bulky as that shit was.
• 1:21:14
  Yeah, Doyle, you were you were right there. They do sell side
• 1:21:17
  plates. They ranging from seventy to one hundred bucks for two side plates.
• 1:21:24
  So if you want, let's say you want Tamina side plates seventy bucks,
• 1:21:29
  right, what the fuck do me? The side place? Look like?
• 1:21:31
  You want Damian Priests side plates one hundred bucks? You want, uh,
• 1:21:39
  who else? We got here? And that's ridiculous? Side can wait?
• 1:21:42
  If Damian Priests is one hundred bucks, then who do seventy dollars, motherfuckers.
• 1:21:45
  Oh, let me scroll down here and say seventy dollars? Uh?
• 1:21:50
  Is that like they're freaking occurances out of side places or seventy bucks? God
• 1:21:55
  starting at Oh my god, Shamus starts at seventy five. We're going down.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, China ninth one of the world. Kofi Kingston is seventy five,
• 1:22:06
  Bobby Lashly seventy five. Although these these are on sale Imperium Alita,
• 1:22:14
  but you scroll all the way down, you got for seventy bucks, you
• 1:22:16
  got Tamina Apollo, Cruise, Drew back in Tire, Shinskin, Nakamura,
• 1:22:25
  Booker, t the Almighty, Bobby Lashly, Italia, Carmela, Shana Basler,
• 1:22:32
  EO, sorry, what the fuck about Damian Priest warrants him being one
• 1:22:36
  hundred dollars over some of those people who in the seventies to seventy five range,
• 1:22:41
  But then Damian Priests ain't even a champion yet. The lowest one on
• 1:22:45
  here is Shana Basler for it's an NXT side plate, and Nikki ash and
• 1:22:51
  Selena Vega for fifty seven bucks, respectful. Yeah, Well, if anybody's
• 1:22:59
  looking for a twenty four seven belt, that is three hundred and five dollars.
• 1:23:03
  Just just in case you were wondering, Uh, top seller right now
• 1:23:09
  in the company would be the Ultimate Warriors Signature Series Championship replica belt and the
• 1:23:15
  Replica Championship title hanger. You can buy the hangar for fifty bucks. You
• 1:23:21
  want to you want to hang the belt in your bed? Any right?
• 1:23:25
  Mind buying a damn hangar. They happened in the there's a there's a wrestling
• 1:23:30
  store, like a couple of blocks from my house. They have they have
• 1:23:32
  that in the window, the hanger thing belt. And there's like so many
• 1:23:39
  different versions of the belts here that we've never seen on TV. You know,
• 1:23:44
  there's a Rick Flair Legacy belt. There's a Shawn Michael's belt, you
• 1:23:47
  know. Yeah, they I think they sold an Undertaker belt. Yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Yeah, it's a Randy Orton version of the World title, like a Bella
• 1:23:58
  Twins Singature Series replica belt of the Diva's Champions from Lake. Yeah. Anybody
• 1:24:02
  that they think will buy some sort of replica or something, they'll probably come
• 1:24:05
  out with one. Four. Yeah. They're just probably sitting sitting in collecting
• 1:24:10
  dust in somewherehouse Jesus waiting for that one super fan to come and buy it,
• 1:24:14
  so payback uh six. Yeah, so Gunther's not even on the on
• 1:24:21
  the car Intercontinental Champion. The man is breaking records. Uh. You know,
• 1:24:28
  he had a great match with Chad Gable recently on Raw if anybody caught
• 1:24:32
  that. Uh and Chad Gable beat Gunter first first time his over five hundred
• 1:24:39
  day run on the roster. Uh to account out, but you know,
• 1:24:45
  w W either like oh but technically he beat him. It was put in
• 1:24:48
  the history books. Uh. But you know he I think he has another
• 1:24:56
  another title shot? What next week? This week? No, next week,
• 1:25:00
  next next week? All wrong? Yeah? Yeah, that's supposed to
• 1:25:02
  be like the last chance to break uh last chance to stop going through from
• 1:25:09
  breaking the record, which September ninth. Yeah. So unfortunately, I don't
• 1:25:15
  think Chad's gonna do it. I mean they've called him this far to not
• 1:25:18
  you know, don't get me wrong. It may be amazing right for Chad's
• 1:25:23
  career. Chad Gabe will be the one to be Gunther talk about you know,
• 1:25:27
  putting your putting your right up top there. But unfortunately it's not gonna
• 1:25:31
  happen unless I see something like you gets screwed out of it. And they
• 1:25:36
  decide to Okay, let's take this all the way to uh whatever whatever the
• 1:25:42
  next pay per view is, you know, and where he already beat the
• 1:25:45
  honky Tonk Man's uh you know, streaky broken his record and now it's just
• 1:25:53
  about but Fastling. Fastling doesn't sound like a I would say, Hold,
• 1:25:58
  it's a Survivor series. I mean, yeah, that's October, Survivors City
• 1:26:01
  is what November twenty five. That's a while, but fuck it, you
• 1:26:05
  come this far. I wouldn't mind seeing them do it on Raw. And
• 1:26:09
  be honest with you, it's been so long since there was anything of any
• 1:26:13
  consequence happened on Monday Night. Rod. Seems like last night was full.
• 1:26:17
  It seemed like it lasted ten hours. I'm not gonna lie. I fell
• 1:26:21
  asleep before the main event. Yeah, there's like no no sense that anything
• 1:26:27
  might happen like the like there was the attitude. And even even if they
• 1:26:32
  even if they even if we do believe that like ninety nine point nine Guinter
• 1:26:39
  is going to break the record and wine, I still think it would be
• 1:26:42
  smart for them to have the Intercontinental title match be the main event of Raw
• 1:26:47
  next week and let those guys really put on a pay per view caliber match,
• 1:26:53
  just because of all, just out of respect for all the work that
• 1:26:58
  Gunther has put in for the last year plus in elevating that title to the
• 1:27:03
  where it is, to where it's arguably the second most prestigious title in the
• 1:27:12
  ww now, Like you could argue that it's more prestigious than the World Heavyweight
• 1:27:16
  Title right now, even though technically the World Heavyweight Title is a bigger title
• 1:27:20
  than it, it hasn't it doesn't have the legacy established to it with it
• 1:27:26
  yet and Seth Rolins hasn't put the time in with that belt yet like what
• 1:27:30
  Goingter has with the IC title and built it up yet. So out of
• 1:27:34
  respect for that and for it to be and you know, Coin signing with
• 1:27:40
  this monumental thing of going to breaking a honky talk man's record and Chad Gable
• 1:27:45
  being the last person to possibly have a chance at stopping him and being in
• 1:27:50
  the way of it, they would be stupid in my opinion, if that
• 1:27:56
  match does not make an event raw next week. Yeah, yeah, not
• 1:28:00
  just main event at like ten forty five. No, I'm talking like ten
• 1:28:04
  twenty ten thirty We into the main event and they you give these guys the
• 1:28:10
  whole last half hour of the show and let them cook. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:28:15
  you know everything has to come in threes now, right, So you
• 1:28:17
  know he had the match where Gable one be a count out. There's match
• 1:28:21
  one. You got this match coming up, which I think Gunt will win,
• 1:28:25
  and then it'll be it'll be a fucking classic, you know, and
• 1:28:28
  oh we need to have a third one. And and you know that'll be
• 1:28:31
  after the streak is in or the record is broken. H And then I
• 1:28:36
  guess you do that on the pay per view or whatever. Maybe you can
• 1:28:40
  hold it till surviveor series. Well, but there's your rubber match. Well,
• 1:28:44
  actually, actually Gable the one that Gable one was actually match number two
• 1:28:47
  because we remember the week before he did the five minute challenge, that he
• 1:28:54
  survived the five minute challenge and then go to immediately challenged him to a match.
• 1:28:59
  That that theory, Yeah, I believe one. Yeah, I think
• 1:29:03
  I think, yeah, God are immediately challenged to a match when Chad survived
• 1:29:06
  the five minute challenge, which then go to won the match. And then
• 1:29:11
  I think because he wanted to, he survived the five minute challenge, that's
• 1:29:15
  what got him the match. The following week the title matched the following week,
• 1:29:19
  which he won via count out. Yeah, this one technically would be
• 1:29:25
  number three, which still plays into your theory that you know, this would
• 1:29:29
  be the climax and all the more reason why it should main event next week.
• 1:29:33
  Yeah. Yes, sucks that they're not even on the card, but
• 1:29:41
  well let's discuss here. Uh, finally we're getting Becky Lynch versus Trustratis in
• 1:29:46
  a steel cage match. You know, last night it was Becky versus Zoe
• 1:29:55
  Stark in a false count anywhere. I didn't even want to watch it because
• 1:29:59
  I was just like, I'm I was tired of seeing this this feud.
• 1:30:03
  I hope after you know, this match, that Trish moves on. It
• 1:30:09
  looks like we maybe we'll move on to maybe Trish and Zoe versus Zoey Stark.
• 1:30:14
  Looks like there's some issues starting starting there after last night's match. I
• 1:30:21
  saw some things on Instagram and Twitter, so that would be the face and
• 1:30:28
  that feud. I don't know, you can you can you can turn Trish
• 1:30:32
  back to face? Really? Yeah? Oh yeah, we know she can.
• 1:30:36
  She can turn on a dime. I mean basically she could just have
• 1:30:41
  that match with Becky Lynch possibly lose and then shake Becky's hand, hug respect,
• 1:30:47
  Yeah, boom, She's people are cheering, they're appreciating it. It's
• 1:30:51
  always starts, gets piste off, kicks the dog, shitts Trish, trash
• 1:30:55
  booms, always the heals the face. So yeah, you're right, they
• 1:30:58
  can turn it on the diamond that you just wrote it all out for us.
• 1:31:02
  You know, I see Becky Lynch getting the win over Trish here.
• 1:31:06
  You know what, what the fuse that Trish has done the past several years?
• 1:31:14
  She has put people over. She put Charlotte over, and I expect
• 1:31:18
  her to put Becky over here. I mean steel cage match. Hopefully we
• 1:31:25
  don't say Shan Atkins and no, no Zoe Stark interfering. I'm gonna put
• 1:31:30
  Becky Lynch as carrying most of this fucking match because I don't recall. I
• 1:31:38
  don't know if I've ever seen Trish in a steel cage match. She's a
• 1:31:44
  she's too delicate for a match like this. I don't I don't know.
• 1:31:46
  This seems like right up Becky's alley, though, So I see Becky walking
• 1:31:51
  out winner here, Drey, what do you think is gonna happen? Here
• 1:31:56
  in this match. I don't know that I would say Trish is too delicate
• 1:32:00
  for a match like this. Iss was trishan war games? I don't know.
• 1:32:04
  Now she didn't do war games. I think just during her heyday and
• 1:32:10
  all stuff. You know, Vince didn't have the I don't know. I
• 1:32:15
  guess he didn't think enough of the women to think that they could have these
• 1:32:18
  kind of matches, like you know, he could basically give them one on
• 1:32:21
  ones and tag matches and raw and panties and shit like that. And you
• 1:32:27
  know, Trishan Leeder got to main event raw once and I don't a regular
• 1:32:32
  match or maybe a no DQ match, But that's about as much as he
• 1:32:35
  let them push the envelope because you know, he still wanted them to be
• 1:32:40
  pretty eye candy first and then wrestlers secondaries. But you know, I don't
• 1:32:45
  I think Trish if you know, if they could have done it, Trisian
• 1:32:48
  Leeder probably could have, you know, put on a hell of a still
• 1:32:51
  cage match back in the day if they had been given the chance to.
• 1:32:56
  And you know that's probably some of the intrigue of why. What's some of
• 1:33:00
  the intrigue in this for trition is the fact that you know, she didn't
• 1:33:02
  get a chance to do this stuff during her prom so she can come back
• 1:33:05
  and like do a still cage matching know, add that to her resume,
• 1:33:11
  and yeah, let her go for it. That being said, Beckylan,
• 1:33:14
  she's gonna win this match because there's no reason for Tristra has to win this
• 1:33:16
  match, because she gains nothing from winning this match. And like y'all have
• 1:33:20
  already said, she's pretty much spent this you know, this these this twilight
• 1:33:26
  or this part time era of her career, putting over the current roster talent.
• 1:33:30
  And I don't see and you know, giving the RUPs to some others,
• 1:33:34
  like it's always starts, so I don't see any reason for anything different
• 1:33:39
  to happen. This feud as quite honestly limped along since this exception inception for
• 1:33:46
  far longer than any of us probably thought it would go, and kind of
• 1:33:51
  under under delivered a lot from what we thought it could have been. So
• 1:33:59
  this will be the climax of the feud. Regulation will come out on top
• 1:34:03
  in all likelihood, and I think my little uh, I'm gonna go ahead
• 1:34:10
  and chuck my little fantasy booking that I threw out there a second ago or
• 1:34:14
  a few minutes ago. Yeah, I think that might be end up being
• 1:34:16
  the outcome or or this ends and then Trish just goes back to being the
• 1:34:27
  regular Canadian celebrity because you know, I don't know, I don't know what
• 1:34:33
  Canada SAG is looking like, or if they have a SAG, so I
• 1:34:38
  don't we don't know what they production is looking like. But I imagine they
• 1:34:42
  got another season of Canada Got Talent on the horizon. So I don't know
• 1:34:45
  how much longer we're gonna see Trish in WW before she has you know,
• 1:34:49
  other obligations that call her back. Yeah. So my my biggest thing with
• 1:34:57
  this match is I just hope that we get a good match and that the
• 1:35:00
  botches are kept to a minimum, because Trish has shown that she can still
• 1:35:04
  go, but she has also shown that age may be starting to catch up
• 1:35:12
  with her and she's just not quite as sharp in the ring as she once
• 1:35:15
  was. Whether it's age or just lack of doing it as consistently as she
• 1:35:21
  did in her you know, in her prime, whatever it is, I
• 1:35:28
  hope that it doesn't wear its head in this match, that we get a
• 1:35:31
  good match out of these two because I believe they're capable of delivering it.
• 1:35:34
  I still do believe in Becky and Trish and that they can deliver a match
• 1:35:42
  on the level of what this feud promises on paper. And I'm hoping that
• 1:35:46
  this is it. Well, this is the feud that doesn't and it just
• 1:35:56
  goes on, and it's just this seems to be over. I am so
• 1:36:00
  beyond giving a shit about any of this anymore. Not all their fault.
• 1:36:05
  They got caught, they got injured, you know, but I'm so sick
• 1:36:10
  of us, you know, Wayne, like you said, really, the
• 1:36:14
  only thing that intrigues me is Zoe Stark here. Uh. You know,
• 1:36:17
  they tease some tension between Trici and Zoe on raw, so I'm kind of
• 1:36:21
  interested to see where that goes, if it goes anywhere, or how it
• 1:36:27
  plays into the match. But you know, Becky should win, she needs
• 1:36:30
  to win. I imagine this probably brings an end to Trici's time with us
• 1:36:34
  for now, but maybe not. Maybe they spend her off and she goes
• 1:36:39
  uh after Zoe startical, though I think more likely it'll be Becky and Zoe
• 1:36:44
  again, uh, just because there doesn't seem to be any direction uh In
• 1:36:49
  the uh outside of Raquel attacking ria on in the Rack's women division. So
• 1:37:00
  yeah, Trisa win, she better. Oh all right, there's one question.
• 1:37:06
  She's just throwing it out there. Any chance we might see Lida m
• 1:37:15
  I would grow U put it off the table? Yeah, I mean if
• 1:37:17
  that's what if this is, you know, from what I'm seeing the end
• 1:37:23
  of the feud, Uh, it would be I don't know, like you
• 1:37:29
  have Zoe's stark interferes and then yeah, she gets her come uppings at the
• 1:37:32
  end by having Lida finally get that sweet sweet revenge because like you know,
• 1:37:36
  Doyle brings it up too. Like we haven't forgotten Vince. We remember Leader
• 1:37:43
  got fucked over in this feud, you know, early early. I mean,
• 1:37:46
  let's go back to the beginning of feud, Like how long ago was
• 1:37:49
  this? This has been building since the women's tag titles, So it would
• 1:37:56
  be nice to go back to basics here and back to the getting one more
• 1:38:00
  good? Could we get one good? Few? Got a Trishan leader?
• 1:38:04
  You know that? Nice? Well, I wasn't going that far with it.
• 1:38:09
  I don't know this was going to develop into a trish Leader Few.
• 1:38:11
  I just thought Leader might pop up and you know, get her, get
• 1:38:15
  back on Trish for being the way that you know, took her out,
• 1:38:18
  and come to Becky Okay, yeah, just come to Becky Leg's aid because
• 1:38:23
  obviously still cages are inherently no disqualification, So I would imagine at some point
• 1:38:29
  it's always start with interject herself into this match, and then at that point,
• 1:38:34
  you know, do we hear the Leader's theme and Leader come running into
• 1:38:38
  the ring and shit, and you know, get and obviously get in the
• 1:38:42
  cage because I'm pretty sure she ain't got no moods on off the top of
• 1:38:45
  the cage and her Oh that would be fucking badass as hell as she did
• 1:38:48
  it. But wait, break a hip. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't rule
• 1:38:55
  Lead out. I hadn't even thought of that, but it makes perfect sense,
• 1:38:58
  uh, you know, especially as she was there at the beginning of
• 1:39:01
  this stupid feud, it would make sense for her to be at the end
• 1:39:05
  as well. Yeah. Yeah, either way, if she is going after
• 1:39:10
  this album, mister rolinso to her wrestling ability, she's still find it in
• 1:39:14
  half that damn roster. Right now, the only heavyweight title that is on
• 1:39:20
  the line, the World Heavyweight title seth freaking Rollins versus Shinsky Nakamura. It's
• 1:39:29
  been a long time since Schinsky had a world title shot of any kind.
• 1:39:33
  He's never won the big one. He's always come very close, you know,
• 1:39:38
  winning the Royal Rumble, going to WrestleMania, and then losing a WrestleMania.
• 1:39:44
  You know, I recall him getting several chances in the past, but
• 1:39:48
  never coming close. We've been hearing, we talked that last you know,
• 1:39:56
  pay per view, that Rollins is having some back issues, like real life
• 1:40:00
  back issues. The man's been on the road. I mean, week after
• 1:40:03
  week, this guy is putting matches on for us, and I understand,
• 1:40:08
  like he's a like one of the hottest wrestlers on the car or on the
• 1:40:12
  card right now, the roster, the most popular. I mean, you
• 1:40:15
  got people singing his entrance music through and throughout, like whether it's in the
• 1:40:19
  business or even in a subway or at a baseball game. You know,
• 1:40:23
  like whenever his music comes up, people are are chanting and saying it.
• 1:40:28
  But could we see seth Rollins, you know, take some time off here
• 1:40:31
  and Shinsky finally win the big one? Uh? You know, I see
• 1:40:36
  the world title as something that's not going to be held onto very long.
• 1:40:42
  I see it being a chance that other wrestlers will get to kind of rotate
• 1:40:46
  it out. You know, maybe guys who haven't won the big one could
• 1:40:50
  take, you know, take the world title for for a hot minute,
• 1:40:54
  play a hot potato with it. I don't know, I this fuge scene
• 1:41:00
  is pretty good. It was kind of out of left field. I didn't
• 1:41:02
  see this one coming, but I kind of like that it was. I
• 1:41:08
  got tired of seeing the same old feuds, so this one was kind of
• 1:41:11
  refreshing, you know. I don't know. It's hard to say. Seth
• 1:41:17
  Rowlands is kind of on a winning street here, so uh, you know,
• 1:41:23
  could go either way. But I think Seth is going to retain here
• 1:41:27
  maybe until you know, maybe until Survivor series. But you know, I
• 1:41:32
  have my doubts. Good, so it's not all my eggs aren't going to
• 1:41:38
  be in one basket here. I mean, I have a little part of
• 1:41:41
  me I still think Shinske could walk out as world champion. But Drey,
• 1:41:45
  what are you thinking. I'm a little you know, on both ends here.
• 1:41:50
  Yeah, there's no way in hell Shinske's walking out as world champion.
• 1:41:54
  I just don't see it. I just don't see any granted this This is
• 1:42:00
  the match that I really As much as I hope that Becky and Trich deliver
• 1:42:06
  a good match, I really hope that this match lives up to its potential
• 1:42:12
  because this match definitely has the potential to be an outright classic, a show
• 1:42:18
  stealing. I can't really call it show stealing when it's the main event,
• 1:42:21
  but really go down as this has match of the year potential. Basically,
• 1:42:26
  yeah, yeah, that's what this has on it. Shins, Kate and
• 1:42:30
  Seth. We both know what they are capable of in the ring when they're
• 1:42:34
  allowed to cook. This has match of the year potential. The build up
• 1:42:39
  has been better than expected because I don't think any of us thought that this
• 1:42:45
  feud would have as much intrigue as it turned out to be. When we
• 1:42:49
  first saw Shins kick the crap out of Seth and we were like, really,
• 1:42:55
  just get knocking more, it's gonna be sas next opponent, Like okay,
• 1:42:59
  let's see where this and then with one brilliant fucking promo, they managed
• 1:43:06
  to immediately make this feud something interesting and intriguing and compelling and Shinsk knocking more
• 1:43:15
  that segment they did was probably the best promo he's done in the WW That
• 1:43:25
  was again, whoever's behind this producing these segments and whoever was the person in
• 1:43:31
  management who decided that we're going to start doing these you know, almost kind
• 1:43:35
  of old school with these you know, pre produced segments rather than just having
• 1:43:41
  a wrestler come to the ring and cut a promo every week. They realized
• 1:43:44
  that you know, not whoever it came up with that and decided to start
• 1:43:47
  doing that was smartest shiite, because they realized not everybody can come to the
• 1:43:53
  ring and cut a promo. Not everybody on the roster is a seth Rollins
• 1:43:59
  or miss or you know, or even a Roman Reigns or Samy Zane who
• 1:44:04
  can just get on that mic and work and cook. Some people need a
• 1:44:09
  little bit of assistance with it. And these backs, these produced segments,
• 1:44:14
  these you know, segments slash promos that they're doing are working out brilliantly,
• 1:44:23
  and Shinsky was a shining example of that and how well it's worked out for
• 1:44:28
  this feud and immediately made it something compelling and captivating. So I hope the
• 1:44:33
  match delivers on the hype that these promos and that the build up has been
• 1:44:41
  these both these guys are capable of it. I hope they don't underdeliver.
• 1:44:45
  That being said, Seth is going to win because with this, now that
• 1:44:50
  they've put the back thing on the table, clearly it's not going to go
• 1:44:56
  away. Even if even if he survives, shins get knocking. More so
• 1:45:02
  that once that's in the public space, everybody's gonna be gunning for him.
• 1:45:06
  This is this could almost be a little bit of long term stories telling that
• 1:45:10
  they're doing right now. Like you know, schinz Game is the first person
• 1:45:13
  to reveal the back, and now everybody that Seth faces from here moving forward
• 1:45:17
  is going to target that back, and the culmination of it will eventually be
• 1:45:23
  somebody on the roster taking him out and beating him for the title and possibly
• 1:45:30
  and probably putting him on the sideline at some point to you know, deal
• 1:45:34
  with his back, or they're gonna you know, almost pull like a bade
• 1:45:40
  and Batman. They're gonna break the break, sets back and he'll be out.
• 1:45:44
  So that'll happen at some point if they're smart with their storytelling and they're
• 1:45:47
  really doing this long term. But Shinzka ain't gonna be the one to do
• 1:45:51
  it. So Seth Rollins is gonna retain the title at Payback. I'm interested
• 1:46:00
  here with Doyle things. Doyle don't think that definitely match of the night,
• 1:46:10
  maybe match of the year potential here. Uh yeah, but I've been saying
• 1:46:15
  how Rollins wasn't going to have a long title reign and how he wasn't gonna
• 1:46:18
  win this match, and he wasn't gonna win that that match, and I've
• 1:46:23
  been wrong every time. So I'm going with Seth Rolins here, uh and
• 1:46:28
  hopefully thus ensuring that the guy I really want to win, which is Shinsky,
• 1:46:31
  will win. I think that he he'l Shinske will eventually take the title
• 1:46:39
  off of Rolins. But I think we're in for another, you know,
• 1:46:43
  three or four match feud here, So I don't think that's gonna happen now.
• 1:46:47
  I think it's gonna happen at a later time. So, you know,
• 1:46:51
  so Seth retains. I don't think Priests is gonna cash in. I
• 1:46:58
  think they're going to continue to run with the Judgment day drama a little bit
• 1:47:03
  longer. But we'll talk about them a little later, but for now,
• 1:47:09
  Yeah, I'm going with Seth fucking Rollins to retain. Yeah, it's uh,
• 1:47:14
  we always keep have to keep in the back of our head that money
• 1:47:16
  in the bank briefcase. You know, always got to remember that. It's
• 1:47:19
  always the wild card. And you know what, sometimes it's like we've been
• 1:47:24
  predicting it for you know, perfect writing it in perfectly for the past couple
• 1:47:29
  of months, since you know, since he got it. But they might
• 1:47:33
  just throw it at us like the weirdest fucking time. You know, who
• 1:47:39
  knows. But so, do you really think this feud has multi match potential
• 1:47:45
  because I don't know why. For some reason, I get one and done
• 1:47:47
  vibes from it. No, I think they're building up Shinsky to be uh,
• 1:47:54
  there's just there's not a lot of heels. I it seems like uh
• 1:47:59
  yeah, uh, you know they had you kind of have the super Friends
• 1:48:03
  their Chao, Sammy and Cody, and then you know and Seth and then
• 1:48:11
  after that, it's like, I don't know, I don't know what else
• 1:48:15
  Seth would do if he doesn't if he's not wrapped. I mean, yeah,
• 1:48:21
  don't don't get me wrong. I hope you're right. I hope that
• 1:48:25
  you are right and that they do that. I don't know what pardon me
• 1:48:27
  just I just don't know if I think WW is going to invest in or
• 1:48:33
  believes in I don't know if the word is right, is believes in or
• 1:48:36
  will invest in Shinsk enough in a multi match feud for a title, especially
• 1:48:44
  over sending over a course of multiple months. Again, I hope I'm wrong,
• 1:48:50
  and I hope that you're right and that they do go that route.
• 1:48:53
  I just I don't know if I have the faith in WW to do it.
• 1:48:59
  I mean, I I don't. I'm not gonna sit here and say
• 1:49:00
  you're wrong to be have trepidation there. You certainly you know it's certainly warranted.
• 1:49:06
  I mean, I'm just hoping, you know. I don't know if
• 1:49:10
  that's what they're gonna do. The hell knows what they're gonna do. But
• 1:49:13
  that's what I hope for, because I think even I would love to see
• 1:49:15
  this match a couple of times and you know, maybe get a gimmick in
• 1:49:17
  there or something, I don't know, whatever it's telling a cell or whatever
• 1:49:23
  it is. I think this would be an excellent feud. I think I
• 1:49:28
  think he'll he'll I'm gonna sneak up behind you and set your throat while you're
• 1:49:31
  not looking Shinskay, it's gonna be a pleasure. I think. I think
• 1:49:36
  they would play off each other real well. So I'm hoping hoping we get
• 1:49:40
  a couple of couple of matches out of this one. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:49:44
  that would be cool. And I can almost even see them use Shinsky as
• 1:49:46
  a way as the person who wears down Seth Rollins, and like over the
• 1:49:53
  course of a multi match feud, and by the end of it, Seth
• 1:49:56
  Rowlins is just you know, like just limping along, just barely getting by,
• 1:50:03
  but still manages to somehow. Again, I'm I'm almost picturing this like
• 1:50:11
  in a comic book sense, like Batman the Nightfall thing, when Batman and
• 1:50:16
  that in that event had one thing after another just thrown at him and it
• 1:50:20
  just warmed down, warmed down, and so there was nothing left, so
• 1:50:24
  he was just running on bare fumes. And then what was all said and
• 1:50:28
  done, what happened Bain Bain broke into the bat Cave and broke his fucking
• 1:50:32
  back, And that's a storyline like that could play out in WWE, And
• 1:50:40
  I could almost see them do it with Seth Rolins, where you know,
• 1:50:44
  since Gay just keeps coming at him, keeps coming at him wearing him down,
• 1:50:47
  wearing him down, and Seth is fighting him off, and you know,
• 1:50:53
  it gets harder each time to get a win over since Gay, harder
• 1:50:56
  each time, and then that last match he finally just ekes out the win.
• 1:51:00
  Here it comes fucking Damian Priests. Yeah, she's gonna be all over
• 1:51:04
  that back, you know that. Yeah, and maybe have to like the
• 1:51:08
  third match, he, like I said, he just barely scratches out of
• 1:51:12
  win by the skin of his fucking teeth. And then Damian Priest comes and
• 1:51:15
  finishes them off, puts them out, takes the title. Yeah. Nice
• 1:51:23
  shit, that could be a good possibility. Uh. Next match on the
• 1:51:29
  card, we have Ria Ripley finally defending her title against Yeah, Raquel Rodriguez.
• 1:51:39
  The last time I saw these two go at it on one on one
• 1:51:42
  I think it may have been back in ann XT. I've been kind of
• 1:51:46
  wanting this match for a while. You know, it's nice to see Ria
• 1:51:53
  facing somebody who's maybe a little bit bigger than her. Raquel is definitely bigger
• 1:51:58
  than her height wise anyway, but also the spice things up. Like I
• 1:52:02
  mean, her last opponent was either in Italy or was Selena Vega one of
• 1:52:09
  those two. So it's nice to see somebody a little bit bigger. You
• 1:52:15
  know, I think Ria is gonna tear through Raquel, but I think they're
• 1:52:20
  gonna put on a really solid match here. Hopefully there's no interference from Dom
• 1:52:26
  Domb. I like just to see a clean pin. But yeah, God,
• 1:52:31
  you never know with these guys. With Judgment Dad. You know,
• 1:52:36
  Judgment Dad has a match later in the night. Let's let's hope that,
• 1:52:41
  you know, Dom stays out of both of them. I doubt it,
• 1:52:45
  but you know, most likely Hill interfere. Not that I don't think Ria
• 1:52:53
  really needs it either though, but you know, we'll see, Uh yeah,
• 1:52:59
  Ria going over in this one. Drede, what do you think anything
• 1:53:02
  the same thing? Yeah, for all intents and purposes, Riya should not
• 1:53:09
  need Dom to defeat Raquel Rodriguez. But she's going to need to defeat Raquel
• 1:53:17
  Rodriguez just to keep Roquell strong, because I don't because if Ria just faces
• 1:53:26
  her one on one and beats her clean, Yeah, then what argument does
• 1:53:31
  Riquel have for what reason is there for this few to continue? What argument
• 1:53:34
  does Raquel have for another title shot or anything? Like? She You know,
• 1:53:40
  when you lose a when you get a one on one and it's a
• 1:53:43
  clean loss. Yeah, no controversial, nothingsoever. In my mind. You
• 1:53:46
  you dropped to the bottom of the stack. You gotta climb your way back
• 1:53:49
  up. But clearly they still have Ria as billed as this monster among the
• 1:53:57
  women and the most feared woman on the roster, and Raquel is the only
• 1:54:01
  one you know, willing to at well maybe not willing to, but with
• 1:54:08
  the physical attributes to stand up too, you know, Ria Ripley, like
• 1:54:14
  they said she's bigger, they said stronger or that is highly debatable, especially
• 1:54:19
  when Ria Ripley literally looks more physically imposing than Raquel. But that's how they're
• 1:54:27
  billing it. So you can't build it like that and then have Raquel lose
• 1:54:31
  clean as a whistle, right. Tom has the interfere at some point when
• 1:54:35
  Raquel seems like she's going to possibly win, so that Ria can sneak out
• 1:54:41
  a win, which I don't know if that does Ripley any favors either the
• 1:54:45
  fact that she needs the interference obviously, you know, hell thing, that's
• 1:54:49
  what he'lls do. You know, they cheat the win and such. But
• 1:54:56
  this is a bit of a balancing act, I think in terms of keeping
• 1:55:00
  both of them looking strong without diminishing either one. And the only way you
• 1:55:05
  kind of do that is by using don and interfering. Hopefully he does it
• 1:55:12
  at the right moment, and they or they book is that it happens at
• 1:55:14
  the right moment so that you know it doesn't harm either one. Because freer
• 1:55:21
  Ripley's title reigns so far has been very lackluster, and I don't think that's
• 1:55:29
  I don't think I'm saying anything controversial there. She won this title at WrestleMania,
• 1:55:34
  and since then she's had how many noteworthy title defenses she stomped out and
• 1:55:44
  to tell you twice before having an actual good match, the match that we
• 1:55:48
  should have gotten in the first place from them. So that was one.
• 1:55:54
  She got Zina Vega at Backlash. That's two, and the fuck is she?
• 1:56:01
  I know she's had other title defenses since then, but we have a
• 1:56:04
  memorable any of them stand out worth a damn like no, And that's when
• 1:56:13
  she actually even bothers to defend the damn title. Most of the time she's
• 1:56:17
  been Roman raising the ship out that damn belt and just rocking it for the
• 1:56:21
  sake of rocking it. This is probably the first real legitimate match she's had.
• 1:56:32
  I would argue since the match, wouldn't it tale you? Yeah,
• 1:56:36
  that's the truth. So I mean, let's see what it's all about.
• 1:56:44
  I mean, for ra Cal Rodriguez's sake, this is the biggest match that
• 1:56:48
  she's had on the main roster so far. So let's hope that she's up
• 1:56:53
  to the task and she can rise up and meet the moment of being on
• 1:56:58
  this stage as uh singles competitor and not connected with a tag team partner.
• 1:57:05
  I'm hoping for a good match. I'm hoping to see Uh. I was
• 1:57:10
  about to not not not meaty women slapping meat or anything like that, but
• 1:57:17
  but I'm hoping for a good a good power match between these two. For
• 1:57:23
  a lot of power moves and slams in this that and the third. So
• 1:57:27
  I'm hoping for a good match. But we're just gonna win, Doyle,
• 1:57:31
  What are you thinking? Uh? Who? You know? We can rag
• 1:57:39
  on on on ri and not defending the title all we want, and we
• 1:57:43
  I think it's fair. But who the hell is like besides Becky Lynch,
• 1:57:47
  Like, what other credible big time faces there for her own raw to be
• 1:57:53
  going after. I mean that's what uh you know, Alex's Alexe is out
• 1:57:57
  with the kid, Carmela's out with a kid. Uh, who else I'm
• 1:58:02
  forgetting somebody, Uh lives hurt, got injured? Yeah, Ron is gone.
• 1:58:09
  Although she's never really a face, Chane is not a face, you
• 1:58:12
  know, so it kind of is who is she going to defend the title
• 1:58:16
  again? But at any rate, you know, with you know, just
• 1:58:21
  just no way h ray is losing, you know, playing eximple rock Hill
• 1:58:28
  just isn't ready for a title reign yet. I think she is somebody.
• 1:58:31
  We've talked about it several times. It would really benefit from a secondary women's
• 1:58:36
  title. Especially, it's like a stepping stone for her to get to that
• 1:58:42
  next level because she's at the back and that's kind of you know, uh,
• 1:58:49
  she needs some more development or something she just doesn't have, you know
• 1:58:54
  that it really Dan Plus, when Raya does lose, I think it's gonna
• 1:59:00
  be a kind of a monumental event, you know, a culmination of a
• 1:59:05
  long drawn out blood feud kind of thing. And I'm not saying Rachel can't
• 1:59:11
  get there, but she's not there yet. Yeah, So I think I
• 1:59:15
  think I think where it goes over, and I don't think much doubt to
• 1:59:17
  that. Yeah, if it's not the culmination of a long drawn out feud,
• 1:59:23
  it's going to be the culmination of somebody's ascension to the top. Sure,
• 1:59:29
  and yeah, I agree with you that. Yeah, her dropping that
• 1:59:31
  belt is gonna have to mean something. It's not just something that just comes
• 1:59:35
  out of nowhere and happens at a payback level pay per view. Yeah,
• 1:59:40
  I'm looking it happens that. There's really nobody that I can think of.
• 1:59:44
  The only other person but she's a heel would be Shana Basler coming off of
• 1:59:47
  being Ronda Rousy. But she's a heel. I mean, I really can't
• 1:59:53
  think of anybody, anybody nobody. Yeah that. Yeah, then honestly,
• 2:00:00
  it's not really just a real Ripley problem either, or just a raw women's
• 2:00:05
  roster problem that kind of exists on SmackDown as well. Yeah, I mean
• 2:00:11
  you a small collection of name of worthy women have names that are all consolidated
• 2:00:18
  at the top. You know, you're real Ripley's Bianca Belair, Charlotte Oscar
• 2:00:25
  Bailey Bailey, and then everybody else is either just lost in the shuffle and
• 2:00:32
  forgotten or just kind of middling about not really doing much. Yea, And
• 2:00:39
  so they really haven't done a good job of building up their women's roster so
• 2:00:45
  that they have more high caliber women to challenge those you have at the top.
• 2:00:55
  Are getting the same women, seemingly the same women, feuding with each
• 2:00:59
  other back and forth all the time. That's injury luck too. Yeah,
• 2:01:03
  they have had some real bad luck with injury as well. And that that
• 2:01:06
  is also true because he had live Morgan would probably be one of those names
• 2:01:13
  around around get two people out with babies, and you can't really you can't
• 2:01:17
  really should all over that too much. Yeah, although it's right, right,
• 2:01:23
  and and that stuff happens, But in the midst of that happening,
• 2:01:28
  that should be the opportunity to one person's absence is another person's opportunity, right,
• 2:01:34
  But we're not we're not getting the second half of that statement. We're
• 2:01:36
  not getting the opportunity part. I mean, they wasted time trying to make
• 2:01:42
  what the fuck is her name, the chargeant slaughter, Lady oh Lay future,
• 2:01:49
  spent a bunch of time trying to make her happen. She's gone now,
• 2:01:54
  but they feel like they have they have kind of tried some things and
• 2:01:57
  it's kind of gone to waste. Yeah, yeah, there's some things,
• 2:02:01
  but huh. I still just I feel like they could be doing more.
• 2:02:06
  And again, wells right back to the argument I've been making for the long
• 2:02:11
  time, Like that you just brought back up, Doyle, that women's mid
• 2:02:15
  car title. God, damn they need that's so bad. Yeah, well,
• 2:02:21
  we're also kind of making an argument that there's no need for one if
• 2:02:25
  there if there's not enough excuse me, people to have an interesting feud for
• 2:02:31
  the world title. Do we really need a continental title? Well, yeah,
• 2:02:36
  because the only reason why there's an enough interest in women for the world
• 2:02:40
  title is because there aren't women of that level. Yeah. Yeah, they're
• 2:02:45
  not world title level, but they could be totally mid car title level if
• 2:02:50
  it existed. No, I'm just playing devil's advocate, that's all I mean.
• 2:02:56
  I think I think that wouldn't be a terrible idea. Yeah, like
• 2:03:00
  you guys, like you guys leading a vega on SmackDown having matches, so
• 2:03:03
  really they acknowledge that she is a known commodity to them, that she has
• 2:03:08
  some level of fans support out there, But all she's doing is just basically
• 2:03:12
  just going out there and just getting stomped out every week, whereas if there
• 2:03:15
  was a mid card title there, rather than getting stomped out every week,
• 2:03:18
  she could be a mid car champion or involved in a mid card feud that
• 2:03:24
  could be building her up. You know, Shana Basler, she okay,
• 2:03:30
  she beat Ronda Rousey and presumably put her out of wrestling at SummerSlam. Now,
• 2:03:36
  what what have we seen since then? Literally nothing? Whereas if there
• 2:03:43
  was a mid car title present, she could have capitalized maybe on that Summer
• 2:03:46
  Slam thing and probably immediately beat whoever was and became to do mid car champion
• 2:03:54
  or be in a feud for that about to become that mid car champion.
• 2:03:58
  But because that doesn't exist, instead, what are we getting? Literally nothing?
• 2:04:03
  Yeah, it's right there. Yeah, there's so much missed opportunity right
• 2:04:10
  now by just having two women's titles at the top and nothing for the rest
• 2:04:18
  of them to do right. And I can't I can't believe that WW isn't
• 2:04:26
  aware of this. I can only think that they just it's not on it's
• 2:04:30
  not high on their priority lists. There's no way they could just be sitting
• 2:04:34
  there just not knowing that no, no way that we're saying something that somebody
• 2:04:40
  hasn't been saying in meetings at WW. Yeah, I mean I talk about
• 2:04:45
  another title that's not even on the cards, the women's tag titles, you
• 2:04:49
  know, not not even on the card. Uh fucking quagmire that's been you
• 2:04:57
  know, you just want cursed belts. You can just walk in and be
• 2:05:00
  like, you know what, I'm a tag team champion. Yeah, like
• 2:05:03
  the fuck, what the fuck you mean? You'm my tag team partner?
• 2:05:08
  And you did what the fuck? Like whatever whatever? All right, And
• 2:05:14
  then Adam Pearce just like okay, Like he ain't even try to be like
• 2:05:18
  yeah, that's not Nope, he was just like whatever she said, Yeah,
• 2:05:23
  like, way to go. Management. Would you want to try to
• 2:05:27
  stop her? I don't think I would. Yes, She's like, you
• 2:05:30
  get to my he's still fucking management. Yeah, he can't put his hands
• 2:05:35
  on her, but god damn it, your management. Hell the way he
• 2:05:39
  freaking told off Zoean and Trish a few weeks ago, today's face right,
• 2:05:45
  But you ain't. You can't nut up against Piper never to be like yeah
• 2:05:47
  that's not how this works. You just gonna side step dash like mancham let
• 2:06:00
  me know about it all right. Moving on, uh singles match for the
• 2:06:10
  ww United States Championship, former champion Austin Theory will go against Ray Mysterio.
• 2:06:17
  I mean, this one for me is pretty cut and dry. Ray Mysterio
• 2:06:21
  is gonna come out champion, gonna go in as champion, gonna come out
• 2:06:26
  as champion. I really don't see any point of putting it back on Austin
• 2:06:30
  Theory, if you know, if they were gonna take it off of him,
• 2:06:38
  you know, for somebody notable, they missed out on that opportunity.
• 2:06:42
  They missed out on a massive pop for I don't know, maybe La Night
• 2:06:49
  if they were going to do that, they missed that opportunity. So you
• 2:06:57
  know, and tell you how it's gonna be Ray Mysterio Rasterio. I guess
• 2:07:03
  after this. I don't know where Austin Theory goes after this, but I
• 2:07:08
  mean it makes sense, you know, he gets another title shot. But
• 2:07:14
  yeah, it's pretty cut and dry for me, Ray Mysterio. I don't
• 2:07:17
  see Ray holding onto it very long. Like I said, I kind of
• 2:07:23
  have these weird feelings that they're gonna circle back to Dom versus Ray and they're
• 2:07:30
  gonna unfortunately, maybe try to combine the North American title the United States title
• 2:07:35
  because they're very similar fucking titles. While the names anyway, I could see
• 2:07:42
  a feud there and merging those titles. I don't want it to be,
• 2:07:45
  but maybe that's the road we're going down. Drey, do you do you
• 2:07:49
  feel similar the same or or my crazy and you think Austin Theory is gonna
• 2:07:55
  get the title again? This goddamn you. This title situation pisces me off
• 2:08:01
  so fucking much. They have botched this motherfucker every damn way imaginable. Like,
• 2:08:16
  let me preface this by saying, if there's a legitimate injury, then
• 2:08:26
  then wipe away everything. I'm gonna say, Okay, but the fact that
• 2:08:33
  they put this motherfucking us title a Ray got damn mystereo. The legend that
• 2:08:39
  he is made zero since whatsoever. This belt ain't doing shit for Ray Ray,
• 2:08:50
  ain't doing shit for the belt. It made no sense to do that.
• 2:08:56
  They could have we all there were already reports out that w W wanted
• 2:09:05
  a Latino champion, and you had your champion right the fuck there looking you
• 2:09:13
  in the face, and Santos Escobar, you had the story right there looking
• 2:09:20
  it in the face, and yeah, I am completely skipping past the whole
• 2:09:22
  La and Night thing. It's clear that they're building him up. So the
• 2:09:26
  fact that they didn't do it at do La night awsome theory or somethmer slam,
• 2:09:31
  I don't even care about that. No war there, He's on his
• 2:09:33
  way. They're building him up. It's a slow burn. I'm gonna let
• 2:09:37
  him cook, so I ain't. I'm over that. But you had it
• 2:09:43
  right there. Even even when I kind of disagreed with the whole uh Santos
• 2:09:52
  versus Ray and the number one contenders final, I thought that was an odd
• 2:09:56
  choice. But when I when I stepped back for second thought about it,
• 2:10:01
  Okay, it made sense. Student and the teacher. Cool, all right,
• 2:10:07
  So Ray gets a mild concussion in the match, so you gotta cut
• 2:10:11
  it short. Fine, Okay, we can roll with that. Santos,
• 2:10:16
  he's the number one guy. He's gonna face Austin Theory. And then somebody
• 2:10:22
  got an ingrown hair up. They ass and decided to fucking just kneecap the
• 2:10:31
  ship out of Santos Escobar, take him right out of the picture, and
• 2:10:35
  say, nope, Ray, you do it. They basically pulled a Bret
• 2:10:41
  Hart Hulk Hogan on Santos Escabar. That's basically what they did. They Brett
• 2:10:46
  harted his ass where it should have been his moment, but they said,
• 2:10:50
  nope, put the oldg in there and do it for what for fucking what
• 2:11:01
  the fuck did this dude for? Ray? The fuck did this dude for
• 2:11:07
  the US title? Nothing? Nothing, not a god damn thing. And
• 2:11:13
  again, Santos Escobar is legitimately injured, then I abstained from all my comments.
• 2:11:24
  But if he is perfectly healthy and good to go, it made no
• 2:11:31
  goddamn sense whatsoever for him to have not won that title, even if you
• 2:11:37
  could have dragged it out. You could have, even even if I give
• 2:11:43
  you the moment and say that, fine, he kneecapped Santos Escobar, Ray,
• 2:11:48
  you go out there and do it. Ray just got his goddamn bell
• 2:11:50
  rung the week before. He's still over. He should have still been experiencing
• 2:11:54
  in concussion like symptoms. You could have had awsome theory. Can cuss that
• 2:12:00
  motherfucker even further, ring the shit out of his bell even further, and
• 2:12:03
  you could have played up a head injury storyline with Ray Masterio where Austin Theory
• 2:12:07
  is still the champion, and now Santos Escobar is the student looking to avenge
• 2:12:13
  his since a his master, his teacher, his whatever, looking to avenge
• 2:12:18
  him, while Austin Theory keeps Rent rocking his motherfucker's bell every week. And
• 2:12:22
  then you get a match here at Payback, which could have been Santos Escobar
• 2:12:26
  versus Austin Theory fur the title. Austin Theory is the superhero beating the shit
• 2:12:30
  out of og Ray Masterio clocking his bell every guy. Then we pissing everybody
• 2:12:35
  off, and here comes Sanstos Escobar looking to help, looking to avenge the
• 2:12:39
  guy, and they have a match, and Ray's out there and it looks
• 2:12:43
  like Ray's gonna get attacked or something, and Santos Escobar saves him wins the
• 2:12:50
  title. That would have been the moment, could have worked. You get
• 2:12:52
  your Latino champion, everybody happy and it's cool, But no, they wanted
• 2:12:56
  to put it on this old fart for no guy damn reason whatsoever. And
• 2:13:01
  while we're on the subject, at the end of LWO, what the fuck
• 2:13:03
  are the other two guys in the goddamn LWO. Why the hell they keep
• 2:13:07
  that Santo Escabar get stomped out every week like they ain't part of the click
• 2:13:13
  that ain't had the homies roll? Yeah, that ain't how nobody roll,
• 2:13:18
  and especially this past Friday all smack down during the Bray Wide tribute. Can't
• 2:13:24
  act like the motherfucker's wasn't there because y'all showed them front and center on camera
• 2:13:26
  when you showed everybody out there and the ring my homie had his old Kung
• 2:13:31
  Loud hat on. The dude was standard right next to one. But later
• 2:13:35
  on in that show, Santo Escabar again gets kneecap and do none of the
• 2:13:41
  homies come from the back for shit, they're just chilling. What the fuck
• 2:13:48
  this shit makes? Oh goddamn sinse whatsoever you call them? The other guys
• 2:13:54
  should tell you everything you need to know. Yeah, yeah, that's the
• 2:13:58
  problem, the fact that they all the all the goddamn guys. Why,
• 2:14:01
  because y'all ain't invested nothing into these two. We're just supposed to believe the
• 2:14:05
  LWO was just three people, Like just go act like this ain't a whole
• 2:14:11
  ass click of five people. Yeah, they just the other guys because y'all
• 2:14:16
  can't bother to do shit with them. I mean, damn tag team something.
• 2:14:22
  Y'all can throw the Viking Raiders out here the roundhouse and belly flop all
• 2:14:26
  over motherfuckers every week, But y'all can't put these other two dudes from the
• 2:14:30
  lwoh nothing Cruise del Toro. Yeah, damn, you can't do ship with
• 2:14:39
  the motherfuckers. You couldn't have sacrificed them dudes to the street prophets or something.
• 2:14:45
  Just do something with these motherfuckers. Y'all can't do shit. The Ray
• 2:14:50
  raggedy old ass can sit out here with the goddamn us title for no fucking
• 2:14:52
  reason whatsoever that incident. I think this match could honestly go either way.
• 2:15:00
  I think it's possible that Ray could win the match and continue one as champion
• 2:15:03
  for no goddamn reason whatsoever, or they could put the title back on Austin
• 2:15:09
  theory and again for simply no goddamn reason whatsoever, unless he wants to be
• 2:15:13
  a transitional title for them to of course correct and put the title along sandto
• 2:15:16
  that square like they should have done in the first goddamn place. Take a
• 2:15:22
  breath, I yield the remainder of my time. Let's hear how he did,
• 2:15:28
  you are that's a tough fact to follow. Yeah. Uh well,
• 2:15:35
  you know, if you look back at history, uh wwe seems to love
• 2:15:41
  to book raym stereo title reigns as flukes that don't last very long. So
• 2:15:46
  I'm inclined to believe that that's what's gonna happen here. The problem is,
• 2:15:50
  as kind of as Drey was alluding to, h and Austin Theory title reren
• 2:15:56
  doesn't really accomplish anything. I don't know that hot shot in the US title
• 2:16:00
  all over the place does anything. So it does kind of beg the question,
• 2:16:05
  what the hell is the fucking point? I don't know. I do
• 2:16:09
  think that Santos Escobar is a lock to play in in the finish to this
• 2:16:13
  match. I think he's either gonna turn on Ray and cost him the match
• 2:16:18
  and the title, or maybe he costs Austin Theory the match so that he
• 2:16:24
  can then go after Ray. That might happen, or Ray's gonna lose and
• 2:16:31
  Escobar is gonna want to, you know, it be the Avenger, you
• 2:16:33
  know, Avenge his master or his mentor rather maybe not master, maybe we
• 2:16:39
  won't use that word. But either way, I think Ray's title run it's
• 2:16:45
  gonna be just like him short m go on, No, I think I
• 2:16:54
  think. I think Theory is gonna take the title off him. But I
• 2:16:56
  can't give me a reason it makes any fun and sense because it doesn't.
• 2:17:01
  Yeah, but keep it on on ray material also doesn't make any sense,
• 2:17:05
  right. I think. I think where we eventually want to land is with
• 2:17:11
  L A. Knight with the US title, But I think we're a ways
• 2:17:13
  away from that yet. Oh yes, yeah, yeah, I would say
• 2:17:20
  maybe Survivor series at the earliest for L A. Night, but I'm thinking
• 2:17:24
  more. I'm thinking more than next year, maybe possibly Rumble Rustlemania times because
• 2:17:33
  they had the perfect opportunity to have him take it off awesome theory. You
• 2:17:37
  know, when you know they well, we're gonna we're gonna talk about him
• 2:17:41
  in a minute, but they you know, they keep kind of actively telling
• 2:17:46
  you not to like him. Yeah, you know, like the comment Michael
• 2:17:52
  Cole even was like, what the hell did he say? He said something
• 2:17:56
  like is this just a fluke or something? You know that like he's getting
• 2:18:01
  in such a response. Uh, They're like and they're you know, he's
• 2:18:05
  losing or he was now he's starting to win. But he was losing matches,
• 2:18:09
  and you know, uh, they were trying to like be like stop
• 2:18:13
  liking this guy. And I think he's become undeniable at this fucking point.
• 2:18:18
  But it's still gonna be a slow burn, I think. Yeah, well,
• 2:18:22
  speaking of you know La Night, yes, yes, yes, uh,
• 2:18:33
  he has a match against the miss the guy who's one and or thirty
• 2:18:37
  four and one. He lost thirty four matches thus far this year. Dude,
• 2:18:43
  we're in we're in August, going in September. This man has only
• 2:18:48
  one one match and it's damn shame for miss even since I was want to
• 2:18:54
  fucking match. Yeah, it's against Yeah, it's a damn shane that the
• 2:19:01
  Missus like stooped to this level of you know, multiple tag team champion,
• 2:19:09
  multiple Intercontinental United States Champion, uh, former ww WrestleMania with John Cena.
• 2:19:16
  Yeah yeah, but you know now he's losing every fucking I mean, like
• 2:19:24
  there's gotta be a what's his payoff? Like, what's what was he promised?
• 2:19:31
  Like, Hey, you'll lose almost ninety nine percent of your matages this
• 2:19:35
  year, but you'll get this, Like I don't know if it was a
• 2:19:39
  good contract or you know, he still gets to go to home to Maurice
• 2:19:43
  every night. I mean, that's that's a fucking BLUs for that guy.
• 2:19:46
  Uh but I mean yeah, I god, La Knight's definitely gone over on
• 2:19:52
  this one. I mean I'm enjoying the feud. I mean, hell,
• 2:19:54
  the other night when the miss came out dressed as La Knight, I I
• 2:20:00
  thought that ship's funny because the missus the night before he came out dressed as
• 2:20:03
  John Cena. He's come dressed as the Rock. You know. I always
• 2:20:11
  thought that ship was funny. You know because as soon as I heard,
• 2:20:16
  you know, his music on Raw, I was like, wait a second,
• 2:20:20
  why the hell is La Night on Raw? And you know he comes
• 2:20:22
  out like son of a bitch. He did again. He got me again
• 2:20:28
  because he got me before when he came out of Sena. He got me
• 2:20:33
  before when he came out as the rock son of a bitch. The miss
• 2:20:37
  did it again. But yeah, him just mocking the shit out of La
• 2:20:41
  Night. You know, the best fun he said, he said, what
• 2:20:43
  I mean, huh or yeah yeah, yeah yeah, mocking a little bit
• 2:20:50
  of the rock there too, and a little bit of stone cold. Yeah.
• 2:20:52
  I loved it. I mean, the feud I've been enjoying the feud,
• 2:20:56
  you know, the but you know, I'm sure Miss will put La
• 2:21:03
  Night over very well. I'm sure they'll put on a good match. But
• 2:21:07
  yeah, come on now, l A Night, you know, clean his
• 2:21:11
  day, Drake Cohen, you gotta agree with me, right, I ain't
• 2:21:18
  got to do shit, but it's pretty obvious that uh yeah, La Night
• 2:21:26
  is gonna go over in this match. I mean yeah. Miss has a
• 2:21:31
  abysmal win loss record this year, but he's essentially reached the point of immunity
• 2:21:39
  where losses don't affect him. He's still one of the premier talents on the
• 2:21:45
  roster, one of the best people WW has on the mic, which is
• 2:21:50
  why he gets so much Mike time. It's so much segment time. He's
• 2:21:52
  shown that he can work off of anybody and pull off practically anything in the
• 2:21:58
  ring. He can be serious, he can be comical. Whatever you need
• 2:22:01
  from him, he can do it. He is their chameleon, and that's
• 2:22:07
  why he gets featured so prominently in Feuse, even if he comes up on
• 2:22:11
  the short end of the stick and practically all of them, and I almost
• 2:22:18
  wonder, at some point does this all start to turn for Miss organically.
• 2:22:26
  Do the fans eventually at some point just start to develop an appreciation for him
• 2:22:31
  just for the good work that he's doing, just because he's dead, just
• 2:22:37
  that damn good out there. So that do fans eventually started, you know,
• 2:22:41
  against start to have that slow turn where they may actually start to cheer
• 2:22:46
  for some for him a little bit. Maybe he comes out and he starts
• 2:22:50
  to get he started to hear a fewer booze, he started to hear some
• 2:22:54
  cheers mixed in over time, and could Miss eventually I've not soon, but
• 2:22:58
  maybe, you know, maybe a year from now, could Miss be an
• 2:23:05
  organic baby face just off the share appreciation for his work? Could that happen?
• 2:23:11
  At some point? It could happen. I also think at the same
• 2:23:15
  time, Miss is good enough to keep it from happening, just because he's
• 2:23:20
  that damn good to where He's like the fans may want to or fans may
• 2:23:26
  appreciate it, but he's just so good at making them boo his ass or
• 2:23:31
  want to see him get his ass kick, that they just do it and
• 2:23:35
  that's their form of appreciation, Like, yeah, kick his ass again,
• 2:23:39
  we love seeing him get his ass kick, or yeah, we're booing you
• 2:23:43
  because we love to boo you, because you're so good at making us want
• 2:23:46
  to boo you, almost like the John Cena sucks thing. Yeah, where
• 2:23:52
  like the hatred almost comes as of a form of endearment to Miss. I
• 2:23:58
  wonder I almost almost kind of want that for him, because again, Miss
• 2:24:03
  is just that damn good on this roster, and he deserves a before he
• 2:24:09
  hangs it up, which I don't think he's gonna hang it up anytime soon,
• 2:24:13
  you know, but before he hangs it up, I think he deserves
• 2:24:16
  a good another good, strong baby face run. That being said, light
• 2:24:22
  Night is gonna kick crap at him Saturday, and this train is this light
• 2:24:30
  night train, He's going to leave the station. Yeah, Doyle, what
• 2:24:35
  are you thinking? Yeah, I mean I've been, if god, I'm
• 2:24:41
  really having trouble at night. I have been, uh a huge proponent of
• 2:24:46
  the Miss, I think in this space on numerous occasions. Uh. You
• 2:24:52
  know, if they gave an MVP trophy, I mean, he might win
• 2:24:56
  it every year, you know. But yeah, he has no chance at
• 2:25:00
  hell of winning this match, of course. Uh. And you know,
• 2:25:03
  and part of it is is stick in l a night in there with a
• 2:25:07
  guy like the Miss, because they know that the Miss knows how to work
• 2:25:11
  the crowd a little bit. You know, they know Miss can get a
• 2:25:13
  good match out of him, because the guy We're still not really sure how
• 2:25:18
  good La Night is in the ring yet. You know, we know he
• 2:25:20
  can do stuff, but you know, Kenny, can he carry a thirty
• 2:25:22
  minute main event? You know, we don't know that yet. Uh.
• 2:25:26
  And it seems like the Miss is one of those guys they stick, they
• 2:25:28
  stick up and comers in there with the kind of report back, Oh,
• 2:25:33
  how is you know, what does he need to work on? You know,
• 2:25:35
  how far along? You know he's He's like a measuring stick kind of
• 2:25:39
  guy for him at this point, I think, and that's really what this
• 2:25:43
  is. I think it's La Night continuing to audition for whether he deserves the
• 2:25:50
  reaction he's been getting or not. And I think he does. But we
• 2:25:56
  shall see. But he's absolutely going to win this match. This has no
• 2:26:00
  chance. Sorry, Budd. That's a damn good point though, about this
• 2:26:05
  being a litmus test for la and I to see. You know, is
• 2:26:07
  this just all fluff or does he really does he actually have what it takes
• 2:26:13
  to be a main event? Yeah, a potential main event caliber person like,
• 2:26:16
  you know, I guess I's say it's where a situation where art is
• 2:26:20
  imitating life. Yeah, you're right, I think so. I think he's
• 2:26:28
  gonna prove it this weekend. All right, and let me come to the
• 2:26:35
  main event. It's time for the main event. I'm just so okay,
• 2:26:43
  Well, we have Kevin Owen's and Sammy Zane undisputed Tax Team Champions. Still
• 2:26:48
  know with the two titles versus the Judgment Day Finn Balor and Damian Priest,
• 2:26:54
  I'm just so sick and tired of seeing every week Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane
• 2:27:01
  versus some iteration of the Judgment Day with I don't know, they throw in
• 2:27:07
  another face wrestler, whether it's Seth Rollins or Cody Rhodes. I'm just so
• 2:27:11
  sick and I'm just tired of this feud. But this is going to be
• 2:27:16
  a Steel City street fight for the undisputed WW Tag Team Champions. It would
• 2:27:24
  be nice to see those titles either broken up or murdered. Finally, let's
• 2:27:28
  you know, we're gonna do something with these titles. Ever, I don't
• 2:27:31
  know, you know what, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and
• 2:27:41
  maybe go against the grain. But I think Judgment Day is gonna walk away
• 2:27:45
  with these titles. And the reason why is I think Kevin Owens and Sammy
• 2:27:48
  Zane has done everything they can with these tag titles. I think it's time
• 2:27:54
  for Finn and Damian Priests to finally bring some gold back to the Judgment Day,
• 2:28:01
  especially after this week when Ria said, uh, you know, get
• 2:28:05
  the job done or we're gonna have to you know, I don't know,
• 2:28:11
  I guess go go back to basics. I think they're she's looking at replacing
• 2:28:18
  them if they can't come back with the gold. Finn wasn't able to bring
• 2:28:22
  back the World Heavyweight title, and Damon seemed like he couldn't cash in on
• 2:28:28
  SETH at the right time. So I mean, if the world titles out
• 2:28:31
  of the picture, then I you know, bring back the tag titles and
• 2:28:35
  then you know, this could be a night that you know, Ria Defensor
• 2:28:41
  title still has it, retains it, DOM still has the North American title,
• 2:28:46
  and then we're gonna see Judgment Day bring back the tag titles. I
• 2:28:50
  mean, you know, we're not we don't have any bloodline on on on
• 2:28:54
  the card at all, So maybe this is where Judgment Day finally you know,
• 2:29:01
  owns the card. This is where they shine. This is where this
• 2:29:05
  is where, you know, kind of like at the end of evolution,
• 2:29:09
  you know, evolution at the end of was it like two thousand and four
• 2:29:11
  where they left armygedd and they had all the gold standing at the at the
• 2:29:16
  entrance ramp, kind of like when the Bloodline had all the gold at one
• 2:29:22
  point. You know, this is just their way of having all the gold
• 2:29:26
  but no heavyweight title in the picture. So maybe this is what's been building
• 2:29:31
  too. We can finally see some heels with the tag titles. Maybe then
• 2:29:37
  they decided to merge the titles after this that we can see Kevan Owens and
• 2:29:41
  Sammy Uzane go on and do their own thing. Maybe split. They don't
• 2:29:46
  have to feud with each other, but they can split. Maybe we can
• 2:29:50
  see them go for our world title run at some point. But I don't
• 2:29:56
  know, I just feel like they've they've gone as far as they can go
• 2:30:00
  with those titles. Uh, you know, with Dirty Dom, you know,
• 2:30:05
  not on the card at all. He could definitely make the difference here.
• 2:30:11
  Considering it's a Steel City street fight, which basically is a no TQ
• 2:30:13
  hardcore, Right, So dre am I crazy? No, No, You're
• 2:30:22
  not crazy at all. I think I do think this match could go either
• 2:30:26
  way. And uh, these tag titles are another set of bells that have
• 2:30:33
  just been kind of collecting dust around the waists of wrestlers because they've been having
• 2:30:45
  matches, they've been defending, but they've been in the same feud, doing
• 2:30:50
  the same ship with the same people for the longest while all the actual tag
• 2:30:56
  teams are just been in tires in the mid card, and none of them
• 2:31:03
  seem worthy of challenging for the actual tag team titles. Because you've got the
• 2:31:11
  tag titles around two of your top singles baby faces, and because they're two
• 2:31:16
  of your top singles baby faces, you're using them as top faces against some
• 2:31:22
  of your top heels, leaving them no space to you know, actually be
• 2:31:30
  tag team champions the way tag team champions should be, and that would be
• 2:31:35
  defending your tag team titles against other tag teams like this Sammy's Ain, like
• 2:31:43
  this feud could be the exact same without the belts, right, take the
• 2:31:48
  belts off Sammy's Ain and Kevin Owens. This nothing changes about this feud.
• 2:31:54
  It's two top faces feuding with your top heel with one of your top heel
• 2:31:58
  factions. The belts ain't got shit to do with it, but because it's
• 2:32:01
  around their waist, they're just being kind of wasted away with them, and
• 2:32:09
  you're all your tag teams are suffering as a result of it because they just
• 2:32:15
  spinning tires, not doing shit, fight each other for jock jockey for a
• 2:32:22
  position that doesn't exist. So maybe, if, maybe, it would be
• 2:32:31
  the best thing to take the titles off of Camp, off WOS, Sammy's
• 2:32:35
  Ain, and Kevin Owens and put it on the judgment Days. So at
• 2:32:39
  least then they could for a while defend those titles against some of your baby
• 2:32:46
  face tag teams, maybe like your New Day You're Big Griddle. If that's
• 2:32:52
  actually going to be a fucking thing, yeah, make real, I fucking
• 2:32:56
  love it. You know, maybe let them, maybe let that happen.
• 2:33:03
  But I feel like that's probably not gonna happen, just because I don't think
• 2:33:09
  WW has any interest in taking the titles off of Sammy's any Kevin Owens,
• 2:33:13
  because if you take them off of them, the titles off of them,
• 2:33:16
  then there's really no reason for those two to remain together, So more than
• 2:33:24
  like these Sammy's, any Kevin Owens are going to come out on top,
• 2:33:28
  and then we'll get some sort of development in the Judgment Day saga in terms
• 2:33:33
  of what's real Ripley going to do with now that Kevin, now that Finn
• 2:33:41
  Balor and Damian Priest came up short, what is she going to do?
• 2:33:45
  Is there going to be any change or whatever? Or how does JD mcdone
• 2:33:50
  a factor into this? Yeah? You know what could what could he do?
• 2:33:54
  He might be We may think dom might be the thing that helps Ria
• 2:33:58
  maintain her title, and jad Donna could end up being the thing that possibly
• 2:34:03
  helps Finn and Damian wynn Or and inadvertently caused them to lose while but making
• 2:34:15
  one of them the scapegoat for it. I don't know. I think that
• 2:34:22
  if the only real intrigue in this match to me is probably similar to the
• 2:34:28
  bloodline, what's the story going to be in terms of the Judgment Day?
• 2:34:35
  Yeah, because I don't see the titles changing hands in my opinion, Day
• 2:34:43
  mcdonna, I totally forgot about that factor. Doyle, what are you thinking?
• 2:34:48
  Yeah? I agree with you, Wayne. I don't know what really
• 2:34:52
  is left for Kao and Sammy to do with these titles, Hey, I
• 2:34:56
  mean they're not they're really anything with him really, so what the hell's the
• 2:35:01
  point? And I think putting the straps on Judgment Day would be a great
• 2:35:07
  way to either continue to ramp up the tension with them or completely eliminate it
• 2:35:13
  and turn them into like a solid rock, solid ass kicking crew at least
• 2:35:18
  for a little while till it, of course falls apart again at some point.
• 2:35:22
  But I think Judgment Day is just too hot to break up right now.
• 2:35:28
  You know. However, as is well documented, I do like tag
• 2:35:31
  team partners that don't get along, so I would like to see that.
• 2:35:37
  Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, there's six matches on
• 2:35:39
  this card. Judgment Day's directly involved in two of them, and whether or
• 2:35:43
  not Priest comes out or doesn't in the uh sess Shouldn't should shouldn't s Gay
• 2:35:50
  match, he's still gonna have a presence in the match whether he appears or
• 2:35:54
  not. And with the Bloodline story seemingly taking a hiatus for at least a
• 2:36:01
  little while, uh, you know, there's a big time power vacuum,
• 2:36:05
  and I think they like having big heel groups that they can, you know,
• 2:36:11
  put in any number of combinations that tags it, you know, and
• 2:36:16
  kind of seem, you know, tell us they're giving us fresh matches while
• 2:36:20
  still giving us the same thing over and over. But yeah, I mean,
• 2:36:26
  I wouldn't surprise me at all to see j D McDonald involved in this,
• 2:36:31
  and maybe him helping them get win of the titles is what solidifies his
• 2:36:37
  place in the group, something like that wild card. I don't know what
• 2:36:41
  the college football schedule is looking like or whatever, but I would not be
• 2:36:46
  surprised to see Pat McAfee get involved somewhere in this show, if not specifically
• 2:36:52
  this match, because he's a Pittsburgh guy if you can't tell from the way
• 2:36:56
  fucking talks, and I'm sure if it's at all possible, he would love
• 2:37:01
  to be involved in this. And they love to pull out those kinds of
• 2:37:05
  surprises, so something like that wouldn't surprise me at all. But yeah,
• 2:37:11
  I think I think it's time to get Sammy and Ko off doing their own
• 2:37:15
  things, whether whether their own thing is the same thing or not, there's
• 2:37:20
  no need for them to have the titles anymore. I think it makes a
• 2:37:24
  lot of sense for the Judgment day to get them, you can do more
• 2:37:26
  things with them with the titles until That's what I'm going with. Yeah,
• 2:37:31
  that as far as the college football thing goes, I believe this week is
• 2:37:35
  what they're calling week zero, So I believe this is the first weekend of
• 2:37:41
  college football. So if that's the case, and less Pat McAfee can catch
• 2:37:50
  a quick flight from wherever the hell ESPN is gonna have them, it's I'm
• 2:37:54
  not ruling it out. It is possible. I could see him possibly making
• 2:37:58
  an appearance, but I believe Pat McAfee's going to be tied up for the
• 2:38:05
  immediate future with his college football obligation. I heard. I heard his schedule
• 2:38:09
  was pretty busy, so he wasn't going to be able to make it out.
• 2:38:16
  It is what it is. I was speculating wildly, yes, but
• 2:38:22
  yeah, I mean that that's it. Guys, Like six matches on the
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  card as of now. I really can't think of anything else that they would
• 2:38:31
  add to the card right now, make like even like the SmackDown Women's title,
• 2:38:37
  Like could you know where they got going on there? Like nothing,
• 2:38:41
  It seems like nothing. Damage Control is just basking in the glory of EOS
• 2:38:48
  winch. He doesn't even have an Act of Few going on right now,
• 2:38:52
  exactly. Yeah, so not even that, not the women's tag titles anytime
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  soon, you know. Yeah, we talked about the intercomtmental title, and
• 2:39:03
  you know, Roan Rains obviously isn't going to be on on the card anytime
• 2:39:07
  soon. Uh yeah, So I really don't know. I really don't know
• 2:39:11
  what else they could add. Uh you know, maybe the asters gonna be
• 2:39:15
  longer matches. We do have a cage match, three title matches, four
• 2:39:22
  title matches, and one of them's a Steel City street fight, I mean,
• 2:39:26
  the Miss and La Knight. It looks like the only basic singles match
• 2:39:31
  for for nothing. Yeah, I'm telling you, I know, we're not
• 2:39:35
  really expecting much, but there's been a couple of these little shows and we've
• 2:39:39
  been like, hey, whatever and I turn out great. You know,
• 2:39:43
  you're absolutely not wrong at all in that. In that statement from for My
• 2:39:50
  Money, I would argue that Backlash has been the best non WrestleMania pay per
• 2:39:56
  view this year in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, very true. And
• 2:40:01
  Backlash is usually like the freaking throwaway leftovers of pay per views a lot of
• 2:40:07
  times because it follows up WrestleMania, and it's either just a rehash of WrestleMania
• 2:40:11
  that nobody cares about, or it's just a lull after WrestleMania. But no,
• 2:40:18
  this year's Backlash from Puerto Rico. That was fucking good. That was
• 2:40:24
  great. Few yeah uh so yeah that its gonna be hard to top.
• 2:40:30
  And now you know what, now that I think about, that was only
• 2:40:33
  h seven matches, so yeah, yeah, well hopefully this won't be on
• 2:40:39
  till one in the morning. God yeah, right, so hopefully this should
• 2:40:46
  come in at a easy, clean three hours or just under three. Yeah.
• 2:40:52
  You know what's weird is uh now that I'm looking at back at Backlash,
• 2:40:54
  Bianca bel Air defeated Eo Sky for the Problemen's title. That's weird.
• 2:41:01
  Yeah, ship, that's the match where where they cheered the living shit out
• 2:41:05
  of El was actually booing Bianca. Yep, yep, my seeds were planted.
• 2:41:11
  Uh yeah, uh yeah, guys, I mean, Dre, do
• 2:41:18
  you have anything else you want to put in about this pay per view before
• 2:41:20
  we wrap it up here? No? Nothing much. I mean the only
• 2:41:24
  final thoughts is, like I said, this is going to be a a
• 2:41:30
  real litmus test. You know what, kind of show can WW put on
• 2:41:35
  without relying on the bloodline and how will fans respond to it? Yeah?
• 2:41:41
  I mean also not on the card. Uh no brock Lessener and no Cody
• 2:41:46
  Rhodes. No, Cody will be there. He's part of the he's gonna
• 2:41:50
  be doing that Grayson Waller effects segment. They are using Cody. He won't
• 2:41:56
  be in the match unless they do some impromptu bullshit between him and him and
• 2:42:01
  uh Grayson Waller but getting chewed up. Yeah, so he will be y'all.
• 2:42:07
  Yeah, this will probably easily be like a fucking twenty minutes segment.
• 2:42:11
  But I forgot about that. Yeah, that is gonna happen now. They
• 2:42:13
  ain't they about to waste They about to let that good Cody pop go.
• 2:42:18
  Yah. Fuck, I forgot. You're gonna get your woe this man on
• 2:42:22
  the show. Do you have anything you were plug? No? No,
• 2:42:30
  just nothing really to plug the sing around. Like I said, y'all can
• 2:42:33
  find me in the PCW discord. You can follow me on Instagram. D
• 2:42:39
  R Underscore are Underscore more seven five seven? Yeah, uh Doyle, any
• 2:42:45
  any final thoughts if he were plug? Uh? Yeah, I have something
• 2:42:50
  to plug. I'm gonna be doing Carlos podcast on Friday, the first.
• 2:42:56
  I don't know when it'll come out. I guess probably the next day.
• 2:42:58
  We're gonna talking about WrestleMania seven. Yeah, and uh good one. Yeah,
• 2:43:05
  but yeah, I'm in the discord and uh right here on pc W.
• 2:43:13
  Yeah. I was on recently during WrestleMania six, revisiting the mania WrestleMania.
• 2:43:22
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• 2:43:26
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• 2:43:28
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• 2:44:46
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