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Evil mom starves son, masterminds 17 surgeries so SHE gets attention · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A mother who is convicted of trying to murder her son,
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Speaker 1: making him sicker and sicker by the day so she
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Speaker 1: can get attention, even ordering his casket while her little
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Speaker 1: boy is still alive, has now gone in front of
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Speaker 1: the camera insisting she's just misunderstood. She is actually getting airtime.
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Speaker 1: What is the truth of Danita tut Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace? What really happened? Dar Colby, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this nine one police emergency.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna help you. Money of coney. We have a
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Speaker 1: child with the deer mountainn trition. As putting to mother,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't adjectively thing. She and her husband came back
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Speaker 1: last night about ten o'clock and picked him up and
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Speaker 1: pick him home. Okay, she will not return any of
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Speaker 1: our calls today, walking on it, Nan dada E A
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Speaker 1: n I A. I feel sick just hearing about this
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Speaker 1: child starved near death when the nine one one call
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Speaker 1: was made. Joining me an all star panel. James shll
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Speaker 1: Nut twenty seven years Metro major case now lawyer at
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Speaker 1: shll nut Law from dot com. Karen Stark, renowned psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us from New York at Karen Stark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining us from LA Forensics expert lecturer University
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Speaker 1: al Florida, and star of our Own Knee podcast Shattered
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Speaker 1: Souls Doctor Chris Sperry, the former chief medical examiner for
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Speaker 1: the entire state of Georgia. But right now, to crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter Levi Paige, tell me, first
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Speaker 1: of all, Levi, about all the ailments this little boy,
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Speaker 1: Kolby allegedly endured. So Nancy Kobe Tutt was born premature,
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Speaker 1: he also suffered considerable health problems like heart disease, kidney malfunction,
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Speaker 1: and gastro intentional problems. And in thirteen years, by the
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Speaker 1: time he was thirteen years old, he has had about
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Speaker 1: seveneen surgeries. Hold on, Levi, I want doctor Sparry to
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Speaker 1: hear what you just said. What were his ailments again?
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Speaker 1: He had heart problem, heart disease, kidney malfunction, gastrointestinal problems
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Speaker 1: and over the course of thirteen years had seventeen seventeen
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Speaker 1: serious surgeries. I want you to take a listen to
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Speaker 1: this Colby tut was a premature baby with considerable health problems.
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Speaker 1: There was heart disease, kidney malfunction, and gastrointestinal problems. When
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Speaker 1: he was finally allowed to come home, a heart machine
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Speaker 1: came to tut was on constant medication and needed drugs
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Speaker 1: to help him digest food and go to the toilet.
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Speaker 1: In the span of thirteen years, tutt And endured seventeen operations,
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Speaker 1: and in August of twenty fifteen, his digestion issues got worse.
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Speaker 1: The Tudd family says doctors recommended hospice and here begins
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Speaker 1: a story up to tell the truth. In May of
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Connie Kohler, owner of Ronald McDonald House, reported
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Speaker 1: to Nita Tudd, saying the mom was deliberately withholding food
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Speaker 1: and water from her son. She said the facility had
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Speaker 1: been told not to feed Colby Tutt as he could
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Speaker 1: not digest any thing, but Cohler says they discovered he
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Speaker 1: was able to consume solid foods and liquids. The teen
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Speaker 1: rallied and then the parents showed up to take Colby
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Speaker 1: Tied home. I hate to hear that shows up to
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Speaker 1: take the little boy home when he was clearly being starved.
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Speaker 1: To death joining me. Doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief Medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner for the entire state of Georgia. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sperry, how a mom can deliberately withhold food and
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Speaker 1: water from her own child and watch them die. How
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Speaker 1: can you tell, doctor Sperry, when you're looking at a body,
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Speaker 1: did the child die of all these alleged elements or
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Speaker 1: did they just die from starvation? Well, first of all,
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Speaker 1: the child the body has to show the signs of
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Speaker 1: starvation me and be severely underweight for age and tremendous
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Speaker 1: loss of the fat underneath the skin, so the skin
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Speaker 1: is very in and wrinkly, and no fat anywhere else
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Speaker 1: in the body, so that at least tells the doctor
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Speaker 1: that the child is malnourished, that it's you know, for
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Speaker 1: some reason or another. But the second and most crucial
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Speaker 1: part is there has to be a reason for the
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Speaker 1: malnourishment to start with. And if there is no medical
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Speaker 1: or pathologic finding, there's no disease or combination of diseases
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Speaker 1: that can be found that will explain the malnutrition, then
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Speaker 1: it becomes very well, very serious. Then the question really
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Speaker 1: spins back around to the pair the care given by
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Speaker 1: the parents or the lack of care question, why does
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Speaker 1: your stomach distend or poke out like it's full when
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Speaker 1: you're storming because you're actually your liver will and large.
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Speaker 1: This is in children or adults if they're starving and
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Speaker 1: not getting enough protein, especially then the liver itself enlarges
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Speaker 1: and fills with the cells filled with fat. So the
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Speaker 1: liver is very, very fatty, but it enlarges because the
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Speaker 1: cells are filled with fat, and it gives this appearance
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Speaker 1: of a big, pooshed out belly. At which can you know,
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Speaker 1: to someone who doesn't know what they're looking at, it
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Speaker 1: can miving just a chubby child. But the arms and
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Speaker 1: the legs though, are very thin. The muscles of the
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Speaker 1: face are wasted. So it's uh, you know, it's misleading.
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Speaker 1: That's really what it is. To James Sheldon joining me
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years metro a major case including SWAT. Now
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, James, I've seen this. I mean a good
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Speaker 1: example will be O. J. Simpson Orenthal James Simpson who
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Speaker 1: told his lie so many times. He was so convincing
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Speaker 1: he would get angry when people didn't believe him. Right.
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Speaker 1: He actually would get mad when people would say that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. You're lying. So that's what I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about this woman, this mother denied a touch, who
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Speaker 1: now has taken to the airwaves in a documentary of
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Speaker 1: sorts insisting she's innocent. Hello, a jury convicted her. So
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Speaker 1: to you, James Sheldon, have you, in all your years
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Speaker 1: as a cop metro major case and now as a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: have you seen those people They just it's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: in their mind, I've covered all the holes, all my bases.
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Speaker 1: How dare they not believe me? And they actually get mad? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that that happens. And I think that you know,
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Speaker 1: it relates back and we've got experts on this penelible
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Speaker 1: cough up a nimbleness, but it relates back to a
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Speaker 1: serious middle illness. And hey, you got your education on
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Speaker 1: the mean streets. Go ahead, I'll go to Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: in a moment. But I haven't you seen those people
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Speaker 1: that actually get angry when you don't buy their bs? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Many times, many, many times. And you know I only
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Speaker 1: had over the years of law enforcement, you know, one
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Speaker 1: case of much house and by proxy, and you know,
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Speaker 1: these cases are just very rare cases. And I'm unsure
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Speaker 1: how rare they are as compared to how hard they
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Speaker 1: are to detect. You know, if you look at a
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Speaker 1: lot of these the signs, the warning signs that are
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Speaker 1: published about much house and by proxy, some of those
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Speaker 1: signs actually overlap with what a concerned parent would do.
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Speaker 1: But in this case you had some red flags go
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Speaker 1: up that said, hey, this is beyond what a concerned
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Speaker 1: parent would do. And I think that that was the
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Speaker 1: key to possibly you mean, starve your child. You think
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Speaker 1: that's a little bit beyond what a concerned parent would do.
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Speaker 1: You know what? You know you're now now I'm going
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Speaker 1: to have a site done on you because I am
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Speaker 1: I am very underwhelmed at claims of much housing by proxy.
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Speaker 1: Because to be insane in our country is the ild
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Speaker 1: McNaughton rule, brought over from Great Britain and our common law.
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Speaker 1: You have to know right from wrong. You have to
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Speaker 1: not know right from wrong at the time of the
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Speaker 1: incident to be legally insane. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a seemingly devoted mother, Danita tut who
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Speaker 1: is convicted by trying to kill her child, starving him,
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Speaker 1: making him undergo surgery after surgery, after seventeen surgeries in all.
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Speaker 1: She's convicted. Now she's taken to the airwaves insisting she's
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Speaker 1: just misunderstood b ass, and I'm calling her on it,
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Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you the fact that she's getting airtime.
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Speaker 1: It's very, very disturbing with her cockamami story. To Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt brought up much housing by proxy, which
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Speaker 1: is when you make somebody sick, typically a mom making
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Speaker 1: a child sick so you can get attention. But Karen
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Speaker 1: Stark just boil it down for me. If the mom
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Speaker 1: didn't know what she was doing was wrong, then she
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Speaker 1: wouldn't try to cover it up by trying to conceal it.
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Speaker 1: That tells me she knows darn well what she's doing.
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Speaker 1: It's not only wrong, but it's just pure evil, starving
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Speaker 1: this little boy to where it can barely hold up anymore.
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Speaker 1: He's so starved and getting as belly cut open once
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Speaker 1: after the next, after the next, after the next, for
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Speaker 1: her crazy stories about why he's ill. She knew darn
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Speaker 1: well what she was doing was wrong. Karon. I agree
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Speaker 1: with you, Nancy, I really do that she knew what
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Speaker 1: was wrong. The thing is what the law has to
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Speaker 1: say versus what psychology has to say too. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean that she didn't have Munchausen by proxy. She was
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Speaker 1: still somebody who was guilty. In my opinion, she was
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Speaker 1: guilty because she did know. But this is a particular disease,
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Speaker 1: a particular type of craziness. Let's say that she's not crazy. Well,
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Speaker 1: you quit saying that's what she is. But she's not
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Speaker 1: saying the way that you and I would be saying
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Speaker 1: she does have Yeah, there's something wrong with her. It is, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's evil. Does what's wrong with her? And look at
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Speaker 1: this face. I'm in a single that we don't disagree.
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Speaker 1: We don't disagree. Are you actually saying she fits the
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Speaker 1: legal definition of insane? Not according to the law, No,
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Speaker 1: I think, Karen Starting, is a difference between right and wrong.
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Speaker 1: Karen start, why do you think she was doing this
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Speaker 1: to her son, her little baby, Because I definitely think
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Speaker 1: she was doing it because she needed to get the attention,
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Speaker 1: She needed the focus to be on her. That's what
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Speaker 1: her problem is. That's what her problem. That's how she
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Speaker 1: was actually found guilty of lying about her son's medical
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Speaker 1: condition and subjecting him to unneeded surgeries as well as
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Speaker 1: starving him intentionally depriving him a food and water. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox for fort Worth.
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Speaker 1: Expect Standy Romoli on Sunday for WrestleMania, but the one
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Speaker 1: seat is saved for one very special young boy. Kolbe
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Speaker 1: Tutt was too sick to make it last year. He's
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Speaker 1: still not well, but a lot of people have come
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Speaker 1: together to make sure his dream comes true. Now, Nope,
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Speaker 1: please gonna do that. I cannot believe he just be here.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen year old Kolby Tutt loves wrestling. He plays the
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Speaker 1: video games and has action figures of all his favorites.
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Speaker 1: Any of the wrestling stars Kolbe admires would admit he's
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Speaker 1: every bit as tough and as strong a fighter. Kolby
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Speaker 1: has been chronically ill since he was born, when he
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Speaker 1: weighed just one pound three ounces. This week he got
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Speaker 1: the surprise of his life. Wrestler Eric Rowan paid a
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Speaker 1: surprise visit to his home in Kludid. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: you big wrestling fan? Yeah? And where will any big
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Speaker 1: wrestling fan be? This weekend, WrestleMania has arranged for a
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Speaker 1: limo to pick up Kolby and his family and take
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Speaker 1: him to at and T Stadium on Sunday. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be excited. You know what that made me think of?
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Speaker 1: To you, Karen Stark, my son John David. Some of
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Speaker 1: his prize possessions are action figure. He goes insane if
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Speaker 1: I call him dolls. But that aside action figures, he's
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Speaker 1: a gentle giant. I like to say he's a lover,
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Speaker 1: not a hater. He's almost as big as his father now,
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Speaker 1: and uh he was six four, he's only twelve. I
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Speaker 1: still tell him I'm the tallest one in the house
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Speaker 1: as long as I have the code to Amazon. But
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Speaker 1: he has, Karen. He has these action figures, not dolls,
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Speaker 1: of all the Star Trek wait no, no, not Star Trek,
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Speaker 1: Star Wars. When he was a little remember, Karen, he
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Speaker 1: had called it Star World. He thought so. Anyway, he
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Speaker 1: has one of all the players, everybody, Vader, you know, Skywalker, Wookie, everybody,
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Speaker 1: and he keeps him in a special spot. I'm just
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Speaker 1: thinking about this little boy getting starved to just skin
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Speaker 1: and bones. And the mom is convicted at trial, and
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Speaker 1: now she's taking to the areas, still trying to suck
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Speaker 1: every bit of attention out of her son's debilitated body.
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Speaker 1: And that just shows you, Nancy, how much she needs
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Speaker 1: to get attention instead of saying, Okay, I was found guilty.
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Speaker 1: Let me get through this and over that. She's got
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Speaker 1: to continue and keep saying, pay attention to me. I
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Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. I don't understand what happened, and
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Speaker 1: we don't really believe that. I don't believe that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let me go out to Karen Smith is joining me
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Speaker 1: join me from LA today. She is a forensics expert
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Speaker 1: and now hosts of her own podcast shout. He told,
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Speaker 1: how do you go about gathering the evidence to prove
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Speaker 1: a case like this? Well, Nancy, the first thing that
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Speaker 1: you do is you go into the home and you
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Speaker 1: open every kitchen cabinet, You open the refrigerator and you
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Speaker 1: document the food stuff that are there. You look at
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Speaker 1: the bedroom, you look at the sleeping quarters, you look
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Speaker 1: at the bathroom. You find out if there's a special
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Speaker 1: toilet seat on the toilet, all of those little things.
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Speaker 1: But most importantly, as a forensic specialist, my job would
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Speaker 1: be to look at the medications that this little boy
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Speaker 1: was prescribed, look at the prescription date, and count every
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Speaker 1: single pill in every single container to make sure that
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Speaker 1: she is not seeing over medicated or under medicated. So
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Speaker 1: all of that would be my responsibility and just making
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Speaker 1: sure that this mother is doing what she was supposed
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Speaker 1: to do, which obviously she was not. How would you
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Speaker 1: take a listen to the lead defense attorney, Terry Moore
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Speaker 1: speaking to A and A listen. The allegations are in
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Speaker 1: an indictment which lays out everything the prosecution says she did.
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Speaker 1: That's a crime. The first two counts are saying that
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Speaker 1: she fabricated symptoms to get doctors to perform surgeries that
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Speaker 1: didn't need to be performed, and that that injured Kobe.
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Speaker 1: The third count they say she starved Kobe. When she
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Speaker 1: read that in my office, she completely fell apart. And
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Speaker 1: then count four is attempted murder. They say that she actually,
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Speaker 1: by doing this, attempted to murder her son. M that's right,
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Speaker 1: and she did, and that's what a jury said. And
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Speaker 1: now she's propped up crying on air, claiming the jury
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Speaker 1: got it all wrong. We are talking about mom de
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Speaker 1: needed tut and a jury conviction that she did everything
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Speaker 1: she could to murder her own son, and then she's crying. Well,
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Speaker 1: I would like to point out I think she's crying
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Speaker 1: not because she did it, but because she got caught.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fort Worth. Because
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Speaker 1: of his health, some days are better than others for Colby,
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Speaker 1: but he's determined to make it to WrestleMania this time.
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Speaker 1: His family had tickets for Colby last year, but he
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Speaker 1: was in the hospital and couldn't make it. His mom says,
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Speaker 1: doctors have been doing everything they can. There's no magic surgery,
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Speaker 1: there's no magic medicine. I'm disconnected beyond Danita tut says.
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Speaker 1: When they heard that she and her husband made the
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Speaker 1: hardest decision of their lives. We decided to put them
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Speaker 1: on hospice and let him do treatments at home so
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Speaker 1: that we and my other son of my husband could
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Speaker 1: be a family. Cobe is the most sweetest, loving child.
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Speaker 1: He cares about everyone. He loves everyone. He looks for
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Speaker 1: all the good and people who eat. Friends and others
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Speaker 1: who heard about Colby on social media and his wish
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Speaker 1: to go to wrestle media came together to make this
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Speaker 1: young boy very happy. I hadn't seen that smile and
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Speaker 1: so long. I mean, you just can you take for
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Speaker 1: granted the little things. I'm sorry but that smile is
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Speaker 1: just priceless, and that will forever be embedded in my mind,
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Speaker 1: forever embedded in your mind. You already bought his casket.
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Speaker 1: Woman Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did you hear this,
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Speaker 1: Karen Start? You know, Karen Stark, I usually agree with
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Speaker 1: what you say, but you got it all wrong. This
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Speaker 1: one is not crazy. Did you hear what she said?
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Speaker 1: There's no magic Madison to cure her son that she's
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Speaker 1: starving dead, so they bring him home so he can
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Speaker 1: die with them as a family. The boy is okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: would you play for me? Would you play for me?
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Speaker 1: Cut number three Harris and Affidavid by Connie. We determined
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Speaker 1: that this child both desired and could tolerate solid foods
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Speaker 1: and fluids, and had minimal reports of pain. His mother
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Speaker 1: refused to have any food or drink brought to Kobe,
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Speaker 1: stating his eating would only prolong the inevitable. That's what
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Speaker 1: she told me. Connie told me that eating and drinking
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Speaker 1: is prolonging him. I didn't know what prolonging the inevitable
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Speaker 1: was until she said it to me. Prior to moving
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Speaker 1: Kobe to our sweet mother and father purchased a casket
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Speaker 1: headstone and made all the funeral arrangements for Kobe. We
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Speaker 1: would have never known what to do. All the stuff
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Speaker 1: that she said I did was all direction from her.
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Speaker 1: She would tell us I'm in control. We advised the
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Speaker 1: parents what to do, but we have the final say.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, she told them not to feed or
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Speaker 1: give her a child, a little boy water, because it
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Speaker 1: would prolong the inevitable. She wanted him dead and let
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Speaker 1: me just round up CPS Child Protective Services on this.
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Speaker 1: The child had been taken away, but then they gave
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Speaker 1: the child back what to die. Thanks CPS for nothing. So,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, can you actually look me in the face
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Speaker 1: and tell me that this woman is crazy? She had
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Speaker 1: no idea what she was doing? Oh oh h e
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Speaker 1: l L. No, she knew exactly what she was doing.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I can't believe even saying that. I didn't
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Speaker 1: say she didn't know what I said she was crazy.
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Speaker 1: She's crazy, That doesn't mean she doesn't know what she's doing.
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Speaker 1: I really do believe, Nancy, that those two things can
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Speaker 1: cause this. She knew what she was doing, but what
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Speaker 1: normal person would do that? Okay? Being normal? Being abnormal
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Speaker 1: does not equal crazy. All right, that you can look
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Speaker 1: at somebody walking down the street and say, oh, they've
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Speaker 1: got a bleached orange mohawk and their faces covered with tattoos.
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Speaker 1: That's abnormal. Maybe abnormal to you, It's not abnormal to
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Speaker 1: me as just a different kind of person. So I
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Speaker 1: do you know diostically, this is more severe, This is
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Speaker 1: more this is actually more very criminal. Straight back out
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Speaker 1: to crime online dot Com investigative reporter at Levi page,
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Speaker 1: Well more, can you tell me regarding the evidence that
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Speaker 1: came out at trial? So Nancy, a hospice administrator, said
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Speaker 1: that they took Colby for thirty hour observation away from
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Speaker 1: his mother and that he ate a bean and she's burrito,
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Speaker 1: a slice of cake, and had approximately twenty ounces of
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Speaker 1: sweet tea and tolerated it all very well. That's when
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Speaker 1: they became suspicious of his mother, who said that he
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Speaker 1: could not tolerate food, that it would only prolong what
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Speaker 1: would be his death. And Nancy, he weighed fifty pounds
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Speaker 1: in the average wait for a healthy young boy his
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Speaker 1: age thirteen years old is seventy five to one hundred
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Speaker 1: and seventy five pounds, so Nancy, he was being starved
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Speaker 1: at death when he could eat normally all along. Doctor Sperry, Listen,
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Speaker 1: I know I've said this to you many a time.
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Speaker 1: You got to help me. You have got to help me,
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Speaker 1: because apparently people don't that jury did, but people don't
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Speaker 1: get what this woman was doing to her child, Doctor Sperry.
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Speaker 1: Fifty pounds. This little boy at age thirteen weighed fifty pounds.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's terrible. The child was terribly underweight. And as
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Speaker 1: you're right, and she's you don't sund like you're upset
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Speaker 1: at all, he said, O, that's terrible. The kid is
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Speaker 1: starving minute by minute, and mom standing by and watching
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Speaker 1: it happen. He's making it happen. And all and everything
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Speaker 1: that the caregivers, every doctor, social worker, everyone that saw
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Speaker 1: her and with the child depended completely on her for
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Speaker 1: the history. That he wasn't eating, He wouldn't you know,
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Speaker 1: he'd throw up whatever. Whatever she would say, they believed her.
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Speaker 1: And it really only until the child was by himself
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Speaker 1: and was given food and drink, which he consumed just fine.
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Speaker 1: That is when her lives became became obvious. Otherwise they
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Speaker 1: depended totally on her for the history. Guys with me
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Speaker 1: is doctor Chris Sperry, who is the former chief medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner for the State of Georgia. I put him on
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Speaker 1: the stand many many times, and we have worked untold
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Speaker 1: hours on cases so I could understand what he was
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Speaker 1: going to tell the jury. So I could understand his
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Speaker 1: autopsy report. And I don't know if you remember, Chris,
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Speaker 1: but I do literally going through an autopsy report, which
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Speaker 1: are usually many, many pages long, and it's all in
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Speaker 1: doctor jargon, literally going through the autopsy report for every
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Speaker 1: homicide case, word by word, and I would say, what
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Speaker 1: does that mean? What does this mean? What does this mean?
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Speaker 1: So when I spoke to the jury, I could put
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Speaker 1: it in regular people talk so they would understand Sperry
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Speaker 1: when he got up on the stand, Doctor Sperry. Two things.
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'm interested in what a child actually goes
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Speaker 1: through when they're starving. The stage's starvation this little boy endured.
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Speaker 1: And I'm also and I think you'll agree with me,
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Speaker 1: shell nutt James shell Nut with me. I'm metro major
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Speaker 1: case now lawyer. I really believe that these doctors performed
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Speaker 1: all these surgeries on this little boys, seventeen surgeries at
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Speaker 1: the behest of the mother based on her fake claims
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Speaker 1: of ailments. I think every time that little boy was
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Speaker 1: cut open is another felony aggravated assault charge that needs
26:41
Speaker 1: to be leveled against this mother who is now sucking
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Speaker 1: up airtime with their story about how she has been mistreated.
26:51
Speaker 1: We're talking about Danita tut who methodically starved her child,
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Speaker 1: claiming he was also she could get attention. That's what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about. Back to doctor Chris Sperry. The little
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Speaker 1: boy on the wing fifty pounds five zero at age thirteen,
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Speaker 1: so debilitated you can hardly even lift up. What are
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Speaker 1: the stages of starvation? What did this child go through
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Speaker 1: at the hands of his own mother. Well, the starvation
27:27
Speaker 1: is very excruciating. It's very painful because the drive, the
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Speaker 1: hunger drive, is very, very very strong in people. And
27:38
Speaker 1: if they're not getting anything to eat, or just barely
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Speaker 1: enough to eat, they have tremendous abdominal pains. You know,
27:48
Speaker 1: the mind is focused on sally on eating and this
27:51
Speaker 1: is very intense and very strong. But there comes a
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Speaker 1: time where the person basically gets used to it. That
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Speaker 1: is especially small children, because they, you know, they don't
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Speaker 1: know any better. They don't they don't understand, they feel
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Speaker 1: really bad, but that eases off somewhat. It's paradoxical that children,
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Speaker 1: especially who are tremendously starved, don't really complain it very
28:22
Speaker 1: much if they're old enough to complain, but you could
28:24
Speaker 1: look at them. I mean, I use the man on
28:27
Speaker 1: the street test. If you were to take a child
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Speaker 1: like this and just show pictures to someone you pulled
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Speaker 1: off the street and say what would you do with
28:37
Speaker 1: this child? And the person the answer should be, he
28:41
Speaker 1: needs to see a doctor right now. He needs to
28:43
Speaker 1: go to the doctor. Because it's obvious to someone else.
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Speaker 1: The child may not really complain it very much. In fact,
28:49
Speaker 1: he usually does not because they are depending. The child
28:53
Speaker 1: is depending on his or her mother especially to provide
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Speaker 1: them with nutrition, and you know they don't. The child
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Speaker 1: doesn't know any better, one way or the other. But
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Speaker 1: you know, it could be. The excruciating pain is what
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Speaker 1: occurs initially, but that eases off when the child really
29:17
Speaker 1: gets used to it. It's terrible to say, but they
29:19
Speaker 1: adapt to it because they don't know any better. Clime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, you know Doctor's Ferry a little know.
29:37
Speaker 1: In fact, Jack, I don't know if I told you this.
29:40
Speaker 1: You know I have twins, John Dave and Lucy. They're twelve,
29:42
Speaker 1: they're almost thirteen. Lucy has recently declared herself a vegetarian.
29:46
Speaker 1: First she said vegan until she found out what that meant.
29:51
Speaker 1: Now she's, you know, a vegetarian. And can I tell
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Speaker 1: you the back bends I do to try to keep
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Speaker 1: her healthy. She's skinny as a rail as it is.
30:06
Speaker 1: But I mean the dishes, the this, the that, the tofu,
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Speaker 1: the jackfruit, the blah, the bloh. I mean, anything to
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Speaker 1: get my little baby to eat to keep her healthy.
30:22
Speaker 1: To imagine, I don't have any trouble with John David eating.
30:27
Speaker 1: I mean I have to. I found a stash at
30:29
Speaker 1: old Halloween candy behind a curtain. I got rid of it.
30:32
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's got to be something wrong with
30:34
Speaker 1: two year old kit cats, but apparently not to him.
30:39
Speaker 1: So it's just so hard for me to take in
30:44
Speaker 1: what this mom did. Oh take a listen to this.
30:47
Speaker 1: That's just not a child abuse case where a kid
30:50
Speaker 1: has a broken bone. He's been in a hospital setting,
30:55
Speaker 1: under nursing and doctor care. So what are they to
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Speaker 1: accuse her off? I mean out if it's malnutrition, well,
31:06
Speaker 1: it's on your watch. He's in the hospital, right, are
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Speaker 1: you starving him? How are you accusing the mama of malnutrition?
31:14
Speaker 1: He's in your facility. And if you'll remember counts one
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Speaker 1: and two, she made doctors perform a necessary surgeries by
31:22
Speaker 1: giving false and fictitious information. Really, what what could the
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Speaker 1: mama say that could cause a doctor to cut on
31:30
Speaker 1: a child? And God forbid, if you question a doctor
31:35
Speaker 1: or things don't go exactly as predicted, they're going to
31:40
Speaker 1: turn the table on you. This is a recipe of
31:43
Speaker 1: how an innocent great mamma finds herself a criminal defendant. Okay,
31:48
Speaker 1: and you, of course we're hearing from the defense attorney
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Speaker 1: there trying to blame doctors in hospitals for this woman
31:55
Speaker 1: starving her child. Well, isn't it true to you? Leave
31:59
Speaker 1: age Crime online dot Com investigated a reporter that the
32:02
Speaker 1: doctor's got so suspicious of the mother they took the baby,
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Speaker 1: the child, the boy away and fed him food. And
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Speaker 1: what did you tell me? He ate a taco grande
32:12
Speaker 1: or something? What was it? He ate on his own
32:15
Speaker 1: a bean and cheese burrito cake, twenty ounces of sweet tea.
32:19
Speaker 1: And that's not all, Nancy. When he was removed from
32:23
Speaker 1: his mother's custody when she was charged criminally, he started
32:28
Speaker 1: eating normally by mouth. He quickly gained ten pounds. He
32:33
Speaker 1: had his central line and colostomy bag removed, and started
32:36
Speaker 1: immediately getting healthy a colostomy bag. This mother went along
32:42
Speaker 1: with her son getting a colostomy bag. First of all,
32:47
Speaker 1: doctor Sperry, what is a colostomy bag? And you heard
32:52
Speaker 1: this lead defense attorney whining, what could a mother say
32:57
Speaker 1: to make a doctor perform a surgery? Well, I can
33:01
Speaker 1: tell you this much. Do you remember, doctor Sperry. I
33:04
Speaker 1: think I told you about it. When John Dave was
33:06
Speaker 1: about three, he was at a birthday party and it
33:09
Speaker 1: was on a professional grade basketball court, and he tripped
33:16
Speaker 1: and I saw it happen. I couldn't run fast enough
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Speaker 1: to get to him. He tripped with mid airborne and
33:22
Speaker 1: he hit his head. He was in the hospital for
33:26
Speaker 1: days while they tried to figure out the damage that
33:29
Speaker 1: had been done to him. He was concussed in a
33:34
Speaker 1: bad way. So I kept saying, well, I want to
33:38
Speaker 1: know if this has affected his brain. I want to
33:40
Speaker 1: know this. I want to know that. They did all
33:43
Speaker 1: kind of tests on him to find out what exactly
33:46
Speaker 1: was happening. But give me an idea, Doctor Sperry, if
33:51
Speaker 1: what a mother could say as the puppeteer to pull
33:55
Speaker 1: the strings of the doctor, Well, the mother would describe,
33:59
Speaker 1: say very graphically that every every fine everything I give
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Speaker 1: him to give him to eat, he throws up. He
34:05
Speaker 1: vomits constantly. It doesn't matter what I give him, he
34:08
Speaker 1: throws it up. Um or even add into that diarrhea,
34:13
Speaker 1: it does not. Every time I feed him something he
34:16
Speaker 1: just had in minutes, he has a horrible diarrhea that
34:19
Speaker 1: will last on and on on. And meanwhile, while the
34:24
Speaker 1: mother is giving this history, which is all live, the
34:28
Speaker 1: doctors looking at a child who is to wait shows that, um,
34:34
Speaker 1: you know, the story that's being told makes the doctor
34:38
Speaker 1: think that there is something wrong with the structures of
34:42
Speaker 1: the of the valves inside. But you say, the stomach
34:48
Speaker 1: and the small intestine, or there's something wrong, uh with
34:52
Speaker 1: a part of the large map on the colon. And
34:56
Speaker 1: you know, the more the mother describes and the doctor's
34:59
Speaker 1: looking this underweight child, she's describing things that might be
35:06
Speaker 1: blockages of the intestine, say, or abnormal formation of parts
35:12
Speaker 1: of the intestine. And that's what would cause the doctor
35:16
Speaker 1: then to say, well, we need we need to do
35:18
Speaker 1: some surgery here. I need to look around and see
35:21
Speaker 1: what's going on, when in truth there's nothing but see
35:25
Speaker 1: I remember, it's the mother giving the history to the doctor.
35:29
Speaker 1: Meanwhile the doctor is looking with his own eyes, her
35:32
Speaker 1: own eyes, at a terribly underweight child. Right, so there's
35:36
Speaker 1: something wrong. So long story short, she's playing the doctors
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Speaker 1: like a fiddle, and now the defense is trying to
35:43
Speaker 1: blame the doctors. To you, James Shelnutt, twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: Metro Major case, now lawyer, I would charge that mother
35:51
Speaker 1: with every time there was an unneeded surgery because at
35:56
Speaker 1: herbie Hesket, because of what she told the doctors was
35:59
Speaker 1: in all the medical reports. That's why they did the surgery,
36:04
Speaker 1: because they why not believe the mother for Pete's sake,
36:06
Speaker 1: And every time that child was cut open and during
36:09
Speaker 1: a colostomy bag, which is my understanding, where you pop
36:14
Speaker 1: into a bag that comes through a tube outside. You
36:18
Speaker 1: have a permanent hole in your stomach and you poop
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Speaker 1: into a bag. Isn't that what a colostomy bag is? Okay?
36:24
Speaker 1: So I would charge her with every single one of
36:28
Speaker 1: those as a felony aggravated assault. Oh agree, you know
36:33
Speaker 1: This is the type of case that you look at,
36:34
Speaker 1: whether the prosecutor or investigator in this case, if you're
36:37
Speaker 1: involved in the prosecution of this matter, it raises your
36:41
Speaker 1: blood pressure. No matter how hard you try to stay
36:44
Speaker 1: objective about this, this is a type of case that
36:47
Speaker 1: makes you mad and you have no mercy about this case.
36:50
Speaker 1: You will full justice for this child, and you take
36:54
Speaker 1: that extra time to investigate every single fact and bring
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Speaker 1: every single charge possible and hold this woman fully accountable
37:02
Speaker 1: for the torture of this child. Hospice workers reported that
37:07
Speaker 1: the mother, Danita Tut, removed the little boy from their
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Speaker 1: care without the doctor's permission, and districtgardfers helped them well
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Speaker 1: being to let them go home and die. Essentially, Danita
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Speaker 1: Tut found guilty and sentenced and is now taking to
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Speaker 1: the airwaves once again. Me me, me, me, me me,
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Speaker 1: I've been mistreated. Well, you know what, Dnita Tut, I
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Speaker 1: think the jury gotta right. Nancy Grace Crimes Story signing
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