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Joe Rogan Experience _2531 - Forrest Galante · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast. Check it out The Joe Logan Experience Strain by
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  Speaker 1: Day Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Rogan Podcast, by Night, all day. My friend Joe's gonna say, ma, bro,
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  Speaker 2: it's good to see you. So I've been sending you
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  Speaker 2: stuff because like we've been, I knew that you were
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  Speaker 2: coming on, and I sent you that one. Uh, that
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  Speaker 2: video of the guy who got a trail camp photo
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  Speaker 2: of a black panther. Yep, So is that just a
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  Speaker 2: melanistic mountain lion?
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  Speaker 3: So just that it's a great question. There's never been
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  Speaker 3: a melanistic mountain lion. Nobody's ever seen one ever, never
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  Speaker 3: hit one with a car, never born one, captivity, nothing,
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  Speaker 3: whoa So mountain lions by definition, pumas, you know, whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want to call them. There's never been a black
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  Speaker 3: one ever. But every year, I mean, I got a
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  Speaker 3: buddy in Florida swears blind that he's seen a black
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  Speaker 3: mountain lion in his backyard. And yet that photo that
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  Speaker 3: you sent me, that photo circulates like once every three years.
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  Speaker 3: It's bullshit. It's a real photo, but it's a trailcam photo.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it wasn't this one, but.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's I think that's the first one. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's another one with the cat gets like right up
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  Speaker 2: to the ones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that one, So that photo is a real I
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  Speaker 3: want to say jaguar. It's hard to tell, but either
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  Speaker 3: jaguar or black leopard, both of which do become melanistic.
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  Speaker 3: And you can tell that because you can see the
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  Speaker 3: spots barely like the rosettes. So all these melanistic cats,
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  Speaker 3: like like jags and leopards and things that do get melanistic,
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  Speaker 3: they still have those rosettes under the black coat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So not a mountain lion too bad. I know, it's
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  Speaker 3: such a bummer. One day if somebody finds one, that'll
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  Speaker 3: be like a huge thing.
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  Speaker 2: Specifically funny that we want it to be different, because
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  Speaker 2: just a mountain lion itself is amazing. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: they were all black and there was like a tan
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  Speaker 2: mountain line, be like somebody saw.
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  Speaker 3: It's like whatever is different and rare is what people
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  Speaker 3: just are. Like, I want that one thing.
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  Speaker 2: I've always said that about Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot is kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting, but not as interesting as an orca, like right.
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  Speaker 1: Like we have gorillas that are cooler than bigfoots.
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  Speaker 2: Well, orcas in particular because they have languages that we can't.
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  Speaker 3: Decipher languages, specialized diets some kind do you know. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you know, us kind of even talk to each other, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's unbelievable. Like it's the same as if you or
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  Speaker 3: I went to India or Africa. It's like we kind
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  Speaker 3: of communicate. We don't eat the same food, we look
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  Speaker 3: different and yet to us. And orcas and orca, right yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's super smart and huge brains and don't kill
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  Speaker 2: people for some strange reason except when they're in captivity,
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  Speaker 2: that's right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Which is so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I did a thing in Baja Mexico maybe three years
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  Speaker 3: ago where we were just cruising on this little ponga,
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  Speaker 3: this little fishing boat, and we saw these orcas go by.
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  Speaker 3: And now people seem to be doing it a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but at the time it was like nobody had really
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  Speaker 3: just tried this. And this was a transient population, which
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  Speaker 3: means they primarily eat seals and sea lions, not the
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  Speaker 3: sting ray eaters. And so we're like, fuck it, let's
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  Speaker 3: just go, and we like ran the boat up ahead
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  Speaker 3: and jumped in and the orcas came up and the
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  Speaker 3: bowl never came out. So you know, the bowl has
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  Speaker 3: a huge fin like he's the biggest, like the dominant
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  Speaker 3: protector of the pod. But the cows and their babies
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  Speaker 3: came up and the boat like drifted away and me
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  Speaker 3: and my buddy Mike, and they just circled us, like
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  Speaker 3: just looking at us with their big eyeballs and it
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  Speaker 3: was me to you from orcas, And they did like
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  Speaker 3: two circles around us, like what are these things? Then
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  Speaker 3: we're just like eh boring and kept swimming.
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  Speaker 2: They must know, right, if they're that intelligent and they
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  Speaker 2: have language and they communicate, they must know that what
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  Speaker 2: a person is, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think of this. Oh dude, I saw the guy
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  Speaker 1: that filmed this. This is so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Oorca headbutts of sunfish so hard it explodes.
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  Speaker 3: Boom, turns into pieces. So this is a newly documented behavior.
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  Speaker 3: Just in the last maybe six months, they've found that
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  Speaker 3: orcas will literally explode fish from impact, whether it's a
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  Speaker 3: game or what. But they're they're finding that this is
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  Speaker 3: not the first time this is done. They're doing this.
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  Speaker 3: They're starting to just explode these fish on impact. Just
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  Speaker 3: because how are they doing that?
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  Speaker 2: Like how fast are they going?
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  Speaker 1: I do not know the answer to that, but it's impressive.
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  Speaker 2: I would have never imagined that that would actually be possible, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: how fast can I I'm try?
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  Speaker 4: Like, what does the starfish looks like?
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  Speaker 1: Flat?
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  Speaker 4: Like a stinger?
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  Speaker 1: A sunfish?
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  Speaker 3: It's like a mola mola, those ocean sunfish with the
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  Speaker 3: big huge, a huge six hundred pounds.
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  Speaker 1: I get huge. It's funny. I think literally turned to dust. Dude.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think those are the orca equivalents of
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  Speaker 3: like a redneck that wants to hit a turtle on
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  Speaker 3: the road and they're just like, we're bored, let's explode it.
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  Speaker 2: Or those guys that do that. Have you seen that game?
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  Speaker 2: What's not game, but it's I guess whatever. It is
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  Speaker 2: an activity where these guys just run at each other
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  Speaker 2: full blast, dude.
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  Speaker 1: RNC run Nation I love that are my favorite thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's such a huge fan.
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  Speaker 3: I love it because I played rugby, so it's rugby
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  Speaker 3: boys that are doing it right. It's like an Oklahoma
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  Speaker 3: drill except for rugby guys. And that's a drill that
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  Speaker 3: when I was playing rugby we used to do all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Just run at each other. You just run it. It's
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  Speaker 1: my favorite. Run Nation rn C. It's my favorite thing.
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  Speaker 1: I watch every video. Look at these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I would have never they both just went unconscious. Look
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  Speaker 2: at they both want to Oh that guy's that guy's fine.
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  Speaker 2: But I've seen it where they both get unconscious.
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  Speaker 3: I want to bring these guys to the US and
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  Speaker 3: see how they stack up against like NFL linebackers.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christy both head but at each other.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, dude, you love fight sports. What are you talking
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  Speaker 1: about this sport?
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  Speaker 2: This is just retarded.
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  Speaker 1: I'm such a fan. Oh that's so silly. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do it. To be clear, I see
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  Speaker 1: that you like that.
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  Speaker 2: I know too much about brain damage, and you should
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  Speaker 2: too if you like rugby.
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  Speaker 3: I've had too much brain damage to know too much
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  Speaker 3: about right. No, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: But how long did you play rugby for?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in Zimbabwe and so, like Southern Africa,
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  Speaker 3: rugby is life, right, So it's like probably deep South
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  Speaker 3: football kind of culture. So I still play, believe it
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  Speaker 3: or not, except now I play very intermittently because one
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  Speaker 3: game puts me out for weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever got your brain examined?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: No, I have not one concussion in my life, so
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's silly because you guarantee you have subconcussive trauma.
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  Speaker 1: What is subconcussive trauma?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you where you don't go unconscious, but you get
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  Speaker 2: rattled and then you have some brain damage.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably right. Yeah, soccer players get it.
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  Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, soccer players getting Yeah, chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's soccer players get it. I did not know that
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  Speaker 2: I'm heading the ball?
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  Speaker 3: So is that And you know a lot about UFC?
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  Speaker 3: Is that brain trauma worse than UFC type trauma?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's all brain trauma, and it's dependent upon many factors.
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  Speaker 2: It's dependent upon how many times you've been hit. And
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  Speaker 2: also there's a gene variation. It's apoe four. Is that
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  Speaker 2: what it is? If you have this one particular gene,
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  Speaker 2: it makes you more susceptible to CT for some interesting Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So like because a brain a concussion is when your
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  Speaker 3: brain sort of impacts against your skull.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: There's that, and I mean I think it's also it's
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  Speaker 2: not just that. It's like if you get hit in
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  Speaker 2: the neck, you can get a concussion.
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  Speaker 1: Also.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Also a lot of people don't realize you can
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  Speaker 2: get a concussion from getting.
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  Speaker 1: Hit in the body. Really, how does that work? Because
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  Speaker 1: get rattled?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also another group of people that seem to get
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  Speaker 2: CTE are people who ride jet skis.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild. Oh does that work?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 2: My friend Mark Gordon, he's a doctor who specializes in
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  Speaker 2: traumatic brain injuries and treating football players soldiers, and he's
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  Speaker 2: treated some fighters as well. He said that any repeated stress,
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  Speaker 2: any banging, anything like that, head banging, Like if you're
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  Speaker 2: fucking head banging, yeah, like you're probably gonna get brain damage.
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  Speaker 2: No way, yeah, legitimate brain damage. Like I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: what I was doing five seconds ago? Where's my keys?
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  Speaker 2: I forget what I'm talking about? Mid sentence, you're scaring
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  Speaker 2: me here?
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  Speaker 1: Things I enjoy doing.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoyed running straight at people for the last Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: just uh, those guys are animals. They're tough guys, no
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  Speaker 2: doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: And those Pacific Island because those the guys that are
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  Speaker 3: doing it primarily right, like they play rugby league and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: They're built different. Oh yeah, like they're so hard it's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember David Tua. No, David Tua was a
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  Speaker 2: heavyweight boxer back in the day who was like one
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  Speaker 2: of the most ferocious guys that ever fought in boxing,
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  Speaker 2: and it just just built like like your prototypical island
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  Speaker 2: warrior guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's David two. Yah.
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  Speaker 2: Just a tank.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to run it at that guy, I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just a monster knock people out. And
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  Speaker 2: you knocked out John Ruiz like famously in the first
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  Speaker 2: round and like something like thirty seconds or something like
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  Speaker 2: that was crazy different breed man.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy left fook.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that kind of guy. I mean, we've had
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of Mark Hunt, who's a famous kickboxer, was
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  Speaker 2: another guy that built like that. Yeah, just just wide
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  Speaker 2: as a fucking barn.
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  Speaker 1: There's like no waste. It's just like a brick of
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  Speaker 1: the rock. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Again playing rugby, I played rugby against guys like that
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  Speaker 3: and it was the worst.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the dudes that have the balls to get
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  Speaker 2: in a little tiny boat, make it across the fucking.
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  Speaker 1: Ocean and then kick your ass. That's what it is, really.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you think about it like only the super
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  Speaker 2: robust survived, right, So it's like nature just weeding out
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  Speaker 2: any possible weakness. Only the strongest human beings made it.
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  Speaker 3: Absolute natural selection, similar to the African Americans that we
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  Speaker 3: have in North America, Like, those are the strongest, best
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  Speaker 3: guys that came over here, right right, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: they're all the most incredible athletes all.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Yeah, I know what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. It's also like when you look at
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  Speaker 2: like guys from Iceland, the strong men. Yeah, so how
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  Speaker 2: many strong leinner from Iceland? Well, how many fucking Vikings
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  Speaker 2: from Iceland?
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  Speaker 1: Legit? Yeah? Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird when you think about it that, like nature
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  Speaker 2: finds its way.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same thing. It's like we think we're so
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  Speaker 3: different and above like animals and stuff. It's natural selection.
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  Speaker 3: We just bring the biggest, the best, and the strongest
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  Speaker 3: into some area, whether that's Vikings colonizing Iceland or or
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  Speaker 3: the Samoans on their islands, or whatever it happens to be.
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  Speaker 3: And you're just like, well, here's a superior popular because
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  Speaker 3: we all the biggest, best and strongest have made it
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  Speaker 3: and all of the weakest have died off.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?
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  Speaker 2: Like you, as a guy who studies wildlife biology, isn't
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  Speaker 2: it weird that we want to think of ourselves as
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  Speaker 2: being a different thing. We are clearly not.
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  Speaker 3: We're not We're not even at the top. That's the
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  Speaker 3: thing that people never understand intellectually. We are obviously look
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  Speaker 3: at what we've built, but like we're not even we
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  Speaker 3: don't even sit at the top of the food chain.
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  Speaker 2: But we kind of do because we kill everything else
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  Speaker 2: if we want to. Well, because because yeah, well not
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  Speaker 2: even our brains. Really, it's other people's brains that invented guns.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. That's such interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It is like our brains are our evolutionary advantage. It
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  Speaker 2: transfers over to people that don't have good genetics. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like because you could be built like a bag of shit,
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  Speaker 2: like a literal bag of shit, and you can kill
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  Speaker 2: a grizzly bear.
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  Speaker 1: Or the rifle. That's right, kind of nuts, right, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You can just be sitting there on a ridge with
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  Speaker 2: a scope and boom and you kill a twelve hundred
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  Speaker 2: pound Cody brown bear.
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  Speaker 3: Because all of our biological energy goes into this thing
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  Speaker 3: instead of being physically big or intimidating or any of
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  Speaker 3: those other things.
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  Speaker 2: We can transfer what we figured out onto other people,
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  Speaker 2: which is no other animals ever figured out how to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: No isn't that crazy? Wild? Yeah, it's really wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you think about it, it's like what
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  Speaker 2: if you were studying us, if you were coming from
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  Speaker 2: another planet and you were studying us, you'd be like, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: this one animal was fucking weird. Yeah, this one, this
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  Speaker 2: one's doing something different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, but they.
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  Speaker 2: Would still look at us and go, oh, well, they're
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  Speaker 2: definitely animals, Like look at them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you looked at the Earth from an
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  Speaker 3: Earth shot, you'd look at what we've done and be like,
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  Speaker 3: this is the top animal. But they're parasitic and colonizing
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  Speaker 3: the whole planet and changing things and manipulating things, whereas
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  Speaker 3: all the other animals are just getting by.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If we found out that there were actual visiting aliens,
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  Speaker 2: that there was actual intelligent life from somewhere else visiting us,
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  Speaker 2: I think there a lot of us would probably be
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  Speaker 2: like why didn't you help? Yeah, why why didn't you
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  Speaker 2: come along and say hey, cut the ship?
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of the I don't know, do you
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  Speaker 3: watch South Park ever? Yes, there was an old South
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  Speaker 3: Park episode where Earth was like a reality show and
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  Speaker 3: it's so like, let's see who's getting along this week?
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  Speaker 3: The Zebras are fighting with the giraffes and the people
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  Speaker 3: are doing this and it's like it's like, we're just
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  Speaker 3: like a reality show for the universe where you just
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: put a bunch of species.
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  Speaker 1: We're like a big big brother situation. Well we are
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  Speaker 1: kind of that for us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh tell where we are.
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  Speaker 1: That's what a reality show is. A reality show for
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  Speaker 1: us is the world?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Lindsey Graham. Did he die in a
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: rocket accident? Or did he die? Was he poisoned by Russia?
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  Speaker 2: Let's tune in to Twitter and find out, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Man, It's hilarious. We are.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: We are locked in on whatever the fuck is happening
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  Speaker 2: all over the world, all at once. And that's one
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: of the weird things about social media now is that
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: we're constantly being inundated with new things to occupy our attention.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and we have no attention span to watch
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  Speaker 3: anything for more than five seconds.
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  Speaker 2: But yet at the same time, this is the rise
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  Speaker 2: of podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which are long form, right.
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  Speaker 2: So it's clear that that's not really the case with everybody.
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  Speaker 2: There's enough people that are interested in actual fascinating things
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  Speaker 2: and have an attention span it's just like we're all
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  Speaker 2: susceptible to the brain rod that comes with just scrolling.
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  Speaker 3: It's so hard, not like I've tried to make conscious decisions,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, you can imagine what my Instagram feed
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  Speaker 3: looks like, right, it's animal after animal, half of its
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  Speaker 3: AI now whatever, And I still try and make a
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  Speaker 3: conscious decision to not look at it, and I find
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  Speaker 3: myself just reaching for my phone and doing this. It's
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  Speaker 3: just we're wired into it now. Yeah, dopamine hits crazy and.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even really rewarding, which is really terrifying to
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  Speaker 2: me because it's not something that's like really feels.
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  Speaker 3: Great, and you barely retain the information. Like even if
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  Speaker 3: you watch an educational one where you're like, wow, that
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  Speaker 3: was amazing, you barely retain that information because it's such
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  Speaker 3: a quick thing until you're onto the next one.
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  Speaker 2: At least for me, Yeah, there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: that in there for sure. But I think I've gotten
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good algorithm lately. So lately, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: my algorithm has been really excellent. It's really dialed in
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  Speaker 2: where I'm only getting like really fascinating things of the
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, it's been great. That's way better.
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  Speaker 2: And then every now and then some retarded shit comes on.
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  Speaker 2: I just skipped through it real quick, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I keep this algorithm going good.
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  Speaker 1: Or you text me at Bigfoot AI think Bigfoot budds
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  Speaker 1: are so silly, They're so bad. There's so silly. You
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  Speaker 1: actually texted me the Bigfoot one. Well it was the
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: same guy, you said, the same guy I texted you back.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think so, dude.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: He's like this guy raised a baby Bigfoot in secrecy
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: for ten years.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: So bad, so bad, so obvious.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: It is like a shitty AI photograph of like like
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: a blurry polaroid photograph.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: And then you read the comments and there's like four
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: hundred people going like, oh my god, I can't believe
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: this happened.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: And you're like, come on, oh dude.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Duncan and I back in the day, like in twenty
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: twelve or eleven, whatever it was, when I did that
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: sci fi show Joe Brogan Questions everything.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: We went and hung out with big people. We we
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: actually went bigfoot hunting. No way, Oh yeah, we hung Yeah.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: We were with them for a couple of days. How
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: is that woods the Pacific Northwest. It's kind of sad, Yeah,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: because the way I describe it, I said, here's what
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: you don't find when you go looking for bigfoot.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Black people.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are Black
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: people looking for Bigfoot. It's just such a crazy, unfuckable
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: white guys out in the woods staring at shadows.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: It's like making something out of nothing. Right, look at
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: that leaf. It must have been here.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: It's just unfuckable, guys. It's really what it is. It's
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: it's unfortunately, that's really what it is. It's not that
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: there's not something to the story, because I think there
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: is something to the story.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's an old story.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: It dates all the way back to Native Americans.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Well, not just that. There's how many we we looked
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: this up before, Like how many different names there are,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: and I think it was more than fifty different Native
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: American Yeah, that looks great. This guy is dead big
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: by the way. You imagine sitting that close to that thing,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: how bad that would smell.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's revolting.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I mean the thing's been dead for who knows how
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: long and this guy's just hanging out. Yeah, taking a
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: picture However, look side fun fact.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: This guy was on your mom's house like twelve years ago,
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: was he?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: What is he like?
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: A fun guy on Instagram as a dog trainer.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Tom found his videos a long time ago and they
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: brought him into a podcast with him, and I.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Just don't know. I know who this guy is.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: No, no, I got in a big foot.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: He has bigfoot's body that looks. That's so bad, dude,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at these look at a smile.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I mean he could be just a full sapiric control with.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Oh into it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Look at this it's a caken a cake. Oh my god,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: he saw it? Into it?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Opening up Tom, Oh he found a foot. Oh yeah,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: very real.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Very real looking foot.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: So if you kind of trust a guy in overalls
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: with no shirt, who can you trust?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Wait, guys are in great shape for his age. He
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: is looks looks ripped. It's out there lifting up fake
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: pigfoots all day.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: They're heavy. I think there was.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we know the Gigantopithecus was real, but
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: we were reading about this the other day that it
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: seems like Gigantopithecus wasn't bipedal and that there was some
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: dispute as to whether or not it was bipedal. But
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: apparently there's some biologists that are saying no, it was
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: most likely walking around like an orangutans.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Huge just just oh wow.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Just a huge orangutan looking thing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: No, I've heard of it. I didn't know that it
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't bipedal though. That's fascinating.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's under dispute. I think I think it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: been disputed. That's interesting.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: They don't have a lot of bones, right, They only
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: have like a few jawbones and some stuff.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Like of them.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I learned something pretty interesting this last week.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: So I I just got back from India, literally flew
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: in here from India and we were doing some elephant
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: rescues with Ventaara, that big Indian wildlife rescue place. This
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: elephant got hit by a car that we went and rescued,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: so its leg was all jacked up. Speaking of non
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: bipedal things, so you would think just the elephant would
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: walk with a limp. Well, having that trunk, it's incredible
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: they use that trunk as a limb. So I was
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: watching this elephant walk I wish I had photos or
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: video to show you, but I was watching this elephant
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: walk and it wouldn't put weight on its leg that
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: was hit by the car, so it would walk with
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: three legs and its trunk as its fourth appendage. Oh wow,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: which is an amazing thing to see because you think
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: of the size of an elephant's cranium and its head
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and the weight, and in order to move that distribution
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: off of that broken leg, it was using this trunk
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: as a limb. It was just it was incredible. It
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: was really sad, but it was an incredible thing to
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: see the way they sort of figured out how to
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: maneuver using that fifth appendage.
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  Speaker 1: So? L in India?
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  Speaker 2: Is it broken?
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know it went so we went to Basically,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: so I work with this place called Ventura, which is
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: the world's largest wildlife rescue.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And rehab center.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: It's unreal, dude, it would blow your mind. I mean,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: like on a whole other level, all privately funded by
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: a not and Banni, this Indian billionaire guy, the guy
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: who had the huge wedding if you remember that at
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Justin Bieber sing at his wedding and stuff.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: He's a great dude. Him and I are buddies now.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But so he's funded this world's large wildlife rescue and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: rehabit like it makes the San Diego Zoo look like
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: a roadside attraction. I mean, it's like crazy big and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: so he does all these rescues. Right, So the reason
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you all this is they go and respond
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: to these rescues and then take it into this gigantic
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: world's biggest animal hospital that they've built. So we went
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and rescued the elephant and now it's probably by today
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: back in Vanara. Yeah, here you go, and they'll be
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: treating it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: So this is long toy. This is the other one.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: We did two rescues.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: This one was born with splay legs and then went
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: into logging, and so all the weight and stuff from logging.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: See you see the splay legs on the front there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Ouch. Yeah. So anyway, that was just incredible.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: But the short answer is they do let people treat
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: them because these animals are raised by incaptivity by what's
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: called mahoots, which are elephant riders. And it's so really
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the whole dynamics really fascinating. So you grow up with
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: an elephant as a mahoot in Indian culture, and then
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: there's usually one or two mahoots that spend their life
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: dedicated to the elephant and all they do is ride them,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: log them, they use them as tools, but they still
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: love them very much. It's just they use them as
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: a tool. Elephants obviously aren't made to do that, so
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: they break down over time.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So that's why it's legs or like that. It's from
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: carrying the amount of weight that comes from.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Logging, so that one would have been born with a deformity,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: but then yours of compounded weight and everything else makes
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: its legs like that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Oh it's crazy.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, so we go and we take the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: elephants in plus the mahoots and take them all back
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: to Ventar, give them ahoots a full time job. These
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: guys are sleeping on mattresses on the floor, right, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: then take them back and it's a whole thing. Reform everybody.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It's amazing thing.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So when they treat the elephants, like what do they
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: do for an elephant that has a broken leg?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So most of it's just pain management, right because you
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: can only get so far.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So the one that got.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Hit by set them in a cast.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Uh not really, Oh you know, it depends. I guess
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: it depends on the fracture. I'm not a vet, but
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I guess it depends on the fracture. But what they
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: do is they have and Jamie, you might be able
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to see. It's incredible. They have this giant jacuzzie like
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: imagine a jacuzzi the size of your building here for elephants,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: and it's their hydro therapy pool. So these animals that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: have terrible arthritis or fucked up feed or bad legs
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: like that, they just spend all day in the water
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: because then there's no weight on their limbs.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, which is really cool.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Do they have medication like anti inflammatories for elephants everything?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Man, this place uses unbelievable Eastern medicine, Western medicine. This
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: crazy hospital. There's a lot of guys talking on their
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Instagram unfortunately, but yeah, yeah, yeah, look at that. Isn't
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: that crazy?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So they do these amazing things.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Oh fuck man.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a really really cool place and we
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: get to do some fun stuff. So I was really
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: privileged to be part of those.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Elephant rescue is really emotional when you see an animal
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: like an elephant that has so much like intelligence look
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: you in the eye and be like, I'm in so
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: much pain, and then you like start to relieve it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: It's cool.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I went to visit this place in Thailand a few
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: years back that has wild elephants, so they're wild elephants,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: but you can ride them, and that you feed them,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: so you make you have you make friends with them first. Yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like you feed them sugarcane, you hang out with them,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you pet them, and then they let you ride them
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and they put their arm out like they's like good,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah to walk out to Secon go ahead. So I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: lets you know, like, Okay, I didn't like the riding part.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: It felt wrong to me. It's just like it's a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: thing that like all the touristed, but my family wanted
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to do this, so I said, okay, but it's okay.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: But the animals themselves are so sweet. They're like when
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you're hanging around with them, they're like they're so one
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of them. I got a video of it on my Instagram.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: She was just like eating a log. She kept chewing
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: on this log and I'm just hanging out with her
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and I made this like video with me. I'm like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: she's eating a log. I don't know why she's eating
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: this log, but she's really sweet. But it wasn't. It
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: was it was a weird it's a weird relationship that
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: they have and then you wash them at the end
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: of the trip. Yeah, so you get them in the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: they get in this pool, this big pond yep, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: you could just wash them and hang out with them,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and they like it that you do that. Yeah, so
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it feels good to them and they're like thank you, well, no,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: thank you for carrying me.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: There's good in bads. Like I mean, elephants have been
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: used through history right in war, in logging and circuses
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: everything else. But now I would say in the last
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: twenty years, we're finally sort of waking up to say.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, a lifetime of being on an elephant's back.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Like, you can see the deformities, you can see the
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: bed swords, you can see the hip displays or hip
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: issues from carrying people.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're carrying people. They're just not designed for it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: You know, they look you think they are when you
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: look at them, and you're like, what could have you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: we're like an ant on that thing's back.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But it it's pretty hard on them.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: And the hardest part is actually not you or I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: or anybody riding them. It's walking on concrete. Because elephants
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: have these soft, padded feet, they're not designed for rock
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: hard grounds. So the impact of walking on pavement is
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: actually that compounding.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: With added weight. That's what's actually so bad about the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: heat of the camp.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: The asphalt too, and their dogs, like dogs hate the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: heat of asphalt.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It's horrible for them.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: And the weirdest thing about an elephant foot if you
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: look at its anatomy, they're one of the few animals
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: that walk on their toes, so they don't have toes
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: splitting out like we do. They walk on top of
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: their toes so that, you know, imagine that compounding on
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: heat plus weight.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Close up. I guess it was weird.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It's a weird animal.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Isn't it cool that they thought that that's what a
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: cyclops was when they found.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: The sea because the skull. Yeah, that's why they cyclops
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: were a real thing.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Dude, have you ever seen Have you ever been to
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the Explorers Club in New York City? No, that's worth
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: a visit.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You would love it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: They have the Champawatt tiger there, like the most famous
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: man eating tigers.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: That's the one that killed like four hundred and seventy
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: six people.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is that the number. I actually have it
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: on my YouTube and I don't remember the name.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: More than four hundred people.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: And then Jim Corbett went and shot it. Yeah, and
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: he almost named my son Corbett because I love that
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: story so much. But they have the only four tusk
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: elephant at the Explorers Club in New York City. WHOA,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure Jamie, you can find a picture of the skull.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Nobody knows why, total anomaly. Nobody's ever seen it. Nobody
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: knows why. I think it's the only one in existence,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: and it literally has four tusks coming out of it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Just a weird genetic thing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think, so like that display legged one we look like.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes with elk, they'll get an injury when they're
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: young and then they'll get weird deformities of their their antlers.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: But is that different because they shed their antlers every year,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: so they grow back in weird ways.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's an injury to the skull, so an
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: injury to like the area where the antler is. Like
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: sometimes they just have one sword. Like there was a
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: ranch that in California that had this one elk that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: was killing all the other elk because he didn't have
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: antlers the same way. Oh, they got a Jetti skull.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Where did you find that, Jamie.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Eleven, Big interesting things you can see there, Oh interesting, sure,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: that's legit.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: So this one elk had on one side he had
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like normal antlers, but the other side he just had
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a spear.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And so he was just stabbing all these other elks
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and was killing the other because this guy doing because
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like they're used to their antlers interlocking, of course,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and this is the thing. They get together and they clash,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of course, they try to impress the ladies.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well there he is.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Look at that, all the tusks. That's so weird, very weird.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Four and they're they're like weird. The way they're in
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: they're going towards each other's weird.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Which makes you realize it's a genetic deformity, right, because
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: it's not like this perfect symmetrical like nature made it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: It's it's just it's a mutation of some kind.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Well that was weird about jeans, right, Like things go
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: wonky all the time. Someone's born with an.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Extra arm, like okay, yeah, exactly.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Sometimes people are born with tails and you're like, ooh.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: So weird dude. You You and I talked about Barbarussa
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: one time. The pigs that have those.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Crazy yeah, to go into their own skulls.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: My buddy who's a vet, he just cut a horn
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: out of a sable antelope. It was growing into its
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: own skull.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Oh god, it's great. I have a video of it
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: on my Instagram, jam if you want to see it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But it's it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So it got an injury, so it killed part of
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the horn. And you know, they're antelope, they're not deer,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: so they don't shed their horns so they grow forever.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: So this guy had this giant horn just circling back,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: punching into its own skull. Can you imagine that? It
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: was gnarly.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: The pigs are nuts though or whatever that animals called barbarusa.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Is it a pit it's technically a pity yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a Indonesian warthog. Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But the way it goes into its own skull no
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: matter what, like it always happens.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have to fight and break them off,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and if they don't fight and break them off, they
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: just it's Nature's so weird, man.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is fucking crazy. They're so cool.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder what those things taste like.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I bet they taste great. I think all the swine
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: tastes great.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: M I had to have a lean of you, which
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: is not technically a swine, it's a peckery.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. It wasn't that good? Not good? No, huh,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: that's unfortunate.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's odd. Yeah, yeah, it's like no, just not the best. Like, well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: you got to think of what they're eating, you know, for.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: What I know about happenings, they eat garbage primarily.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of the problem, because that's
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the case with bears, right. Like my friend Steve Ranella
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: cooked a bear steak or a bear ham on his
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: friend's smoker and he said to his friend, he said, hey,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you should probably clean that smoker. It smells like fish.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: He goes, I've never cooked fish in that smoker once,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and it was just from the bear. The bear had
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: eaten so much fish that as he was smoking the bear,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: all you could smell was fish.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: That's disgusting. It's like eating a seagull.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Whoa, that's going right into his head.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: That's the guy. Yeah, Oh that's nuts.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: And it's yeah, he like cuts the horn off and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you can see because the horn is a living thing,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: there's always that animal still alive barely, like they he
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: had millimeters of growth to go before it punched right
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: into his brain.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Crazy gnarly.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: That's so gnarly. It's like digging in. Imagine that, like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: every day, just a tiny little amount more is growing
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: into your brain.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: It's got to be this constant pain where like it
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: just it just gets tiny bit worse all the time.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: See how much into the skull it went like it
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: was right there. That's crazy, so gross. I thought you'd
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that says about me.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like that, but I don't know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: That is gnarly, man.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: That poor dude.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Now he doesn't have any antlers yep or horns, right
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: is it technically horns horns?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he still got a brain so that helps
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: well carry on, bro.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nature's a motherfucker, dude.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Where's the thile scene?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: What's going on? It's gone pretty cold? Yeah, I mean,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: so I.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Was hoping you'd come in with new evidence.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I wish I was.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: There's a group that I've I've been working with called
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Mammal Watching, like if you heard a bird watching, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: they've been going into Western pop win pop when you guy,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: which is as you know where I think there could
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: still be a tiny population, and so I'm working with them.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: They're giving trail cameras out to guys. They're still hearing
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: legends here and there. But it's just I don't know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: it's it feels like the legends are getting fewer and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: further between, like almost over generational time, it's disappearing, if
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: that makes sense.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a bad sign.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: That means whatever's left is probably dying off right.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: If at all. Yeah, And I mean I still hold
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: out hope.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: It's something I've always wanted to be and I'm like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I want it to be there, But it just it
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: feels like those bits of evidence that were compounding have
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: all sort of started to fade.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: That sucks, I know, really, so a very interesting thing
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: with the incredible variety of wildlife that we have, that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: we're so fascinated by the ones that might not be alive.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: This like the things like the Thilocene or the giant sloth. Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Like I remember I watched this documentary on the Giant Slough.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: There was this one scientist as a biologist who it's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: spent an inordinate amount of time, like years in the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Amazon looking for a giant sloth and was realizing at
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: some point in time during the documentary then he might have.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Ruined his career overdoing it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, he might have been chasing something that doesn't exist.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: And it's this wild gamble if he listens to these
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: people and they're telling him the truth, right, because all
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the natives are.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, bro're out here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, right around the next time, you'll
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: we'll find him tomorrow mountain. Yeah, I've been there. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: you know, if you don't follow those leads, like do
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: you know what the sala is? The Asian unicorn?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I've heard that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing, same story, but real animal.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: And you know, there was there was basically one ever
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: seen by Western science, an animal named Martha. And for
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: years scientists, Western scientists were going into Vietnam and lass
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: They're going, yeah, yeah, we we have this thing called
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the sala, the Asian unicorn, and they're like shut up,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: you know, and then all of a sudden, turns out
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: here's this giant ovid that still exists.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: What a cool looking animal too.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and nobody knows whether they still exist now at
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: it right there?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So basically there's been three or four maybe more that
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: have ever been seen, most of them caught in poacher's
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: snares like this one. But then really cool, a guy
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: named Bill Robaschod got a call once from a prince
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and he had caught one and it was in his
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: village and he flew in there and overnight the poor
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: thing died. And that was the only time a single
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Western history has ever seen a live salah. And this
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: guy had it and then and then he's like, can
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we please preserve it? And the king was like, now
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: we're going to eat it, and they ate it. Whoa
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: got nothing out of it? Yeah, he's got pictures and stuff,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: so you know, it's all it's all real. But they
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: call it the unicorn because its horns are so symmetrical
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that when you look at it from a side profile,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: looks like one horn.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very cool.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: But it's a bovid. It's a it's a cattle. That's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: that's not one. I don't know why they're using that photo.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Oh how odd.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's the same thing as these you know,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: these things around giant slots and and thilasine and bigfoot
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: and everything else. It's it's they are out there. You know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: some of them, not all of them, but they are
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: out there. And if you don't follow lead, if you
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: ignore it, then you miss things like that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also like when you think about things like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the Amazon, like if you ever see footage of the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Amazon from above, you.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Go, oh, there's no way, you know, that's so big.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You look down and you go, oh, well, well, there's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: no way you know this is this is way too big.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: There's no way. There's a bunch of people scouring every
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: inch of that place.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, given there are still groups of human beings
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: uncontacted a lot.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: My friend Paul Rosalie, yeah, yeah, he's come in contact
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: with them, yeah, multiple times. See if you can get
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: some aerial footage of flying over the Amazon. I mean,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: it's it's in multiple countries. It's what is it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It's crue Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina. It's so big, it's huge.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: It's so fucking big.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And I had a similar experience in New Guinea talking
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: about Dioscene, where we got on a plane in a
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: place called two Fee and flew to another area.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Look at this, it was just like this. For four hours,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: we didn't see one.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Building, Amazon and four K. So just like there is
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: no fucking way you know you know what's in there,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: No way. There's probably a bunch of shit in there
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that no one.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Has found, and then there's undeniably there are and then
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: there's stuff, you know, like you'll get a kick out
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: of this locknest monster?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: What do you think it is?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe a sturgeon or something like.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: That, Jamie, What do you think a locknest monster is?
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they know, but I don't know. Uh, probably,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Whale dick what whale dick?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Whale dick, whale dick.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Pull it up, locknest monster versus whale dick. Look at
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: this and tell me this isn't what they think is
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the lock Yeah, wait a minute, do.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: You mean like the photos that the hoax photo of
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the one that's poking out of the water.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: That one.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you'll see it in a second here, I think,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: But there are these photos of a whales penis compared
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: to the locknest monster, And I mean, I that's certainly
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: not proof, but it kind of answers a lot of
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Like that's a whale deck right there.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That is a whale dick but that photo I'm pretty sure.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Is a proven hoax. That one is.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that photo was like a guy like
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: made something out of wood and like floated it in
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the water and took a picture. Is that what the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: story behind that?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: There's something along those lines.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: No, locknest monster isn't a whale penis. Professor says, Oh, okay, Well,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: if the internet professor says it, then a professor, Oh,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: let's take him seriously. He's out there. If you the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: type of professor that they call upon when they're trying
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to figure out something's a whale dick, maybe, sir, would.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: You please study these nine whale penis and tell us
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: your thoughts on this.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's what happened to the It was his claim,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: and then he said he was just like kind of
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: messing around.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Well I'm sticking with it. I like it. I like, well,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he's the guy that proposed it. Oh darn it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I like his series walked back his salacious claim.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the guy that was looking for the giant sloth.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: He's like, I need a new angle. This giant sloth
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: thing did not pan out.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: If you're a guy looking for a giant sloth in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the Amazon, like where do you look? Like, good luck
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: finding it.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: You have to find geographically isolated areas, you know, because
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: they're little pockets, right, if little pockets of Okay, people
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: aren't coming in here, animals aren't going out. There's a
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: big ring of mountains, there's whatever it happens to be.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I met a guy who said he guaranteed he knew,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you know, all these people like this, But I always
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: enjoy the story of it that there was this pocket
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: in Peru that was completely geographically isolated by the mountains,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: and that's where they were. And the idea is that
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: these areas remain unchanged. Right, It's like an island basically
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: in the Amazon, like things just don't change because it's
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: so isolated from everything else.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the idea also was that giant sloths,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: where we know they existed in North America, that whenever
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: whatever happened that ended the ice age, the younger driest impact,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that it didn't affect things below the equator or the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: equator was more of a northern hemisphere thing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the climate shift was so much stronger.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and so the most of the animals that died off.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: If you look at like the this, I think it
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: was sixty five percent of North American megafauna died off
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: during this very short window. That that didn't happen right
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in South America, right, and that we're just guessing that
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: they're dead because if there was a healthy popul Like, think,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: how many tigers are there in the wild. I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: there's five.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Thousand something like that. Yeah, it's gone way up, by
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the way. It was down at four hundred.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Fun fact, more tigers in captivity in Texas, I know
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: than there aren't all of the wild of the.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: World's Texas, crazy man.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: A lot of people's yards in private collections in Texas,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: there's more tigers than all of the wild of the world.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It's such an insane statement that should not exist. Yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I love this date. It's my favorite place. Get away
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It's just a wild place, like for all intentsive purposes.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hilarious wild for people, dude. I love Texas.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Every time I come to Texas, I'm like, this place
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: is great. It's always fun. Everybody's so nice too, exactly.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: That's the best part. It's like nobody scowls at you
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: you're getting the elevator and they're like, hey, how's your
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: day going, And you're.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Like very friendly, I'll tell you how it's going.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Very a lot of people, especially coastal elites, it's like
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: to say, like people coastal snobs. They have this idea
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: of it being like filled with rednecks and ignorant people
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and foolish people. It's yeah, not that away at all,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: especially Austin. Austin is like one of the most like liberal,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: easy going, progressive cities. Yeah, but like even the progressives
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: here they're like more reasonable.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: It's like down to earth. Yeah, it's not like extremism, right.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Well, they they're definitely more crazy than they were twenty
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: years ago when I first started coming here. Okay, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: way less crazy than like liberals in La yeah, or
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: liberals and cow or liberals in New York.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Just where they're where it's just extreme right protest.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like this, there's a saying about Austin. Keep
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Austin weird and surrounded and surrounded.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: What is the surrounded.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Surrounded by red people? Like it's all red states around you,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: and this is pocket of blue that's in the center
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: of this red state. I think that's good for everybody.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's good. It's a balance. And the like
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the liberals that want to turn Texas blue, like, don't
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you're going to ruin it. You're going to ruin it
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: for you too. You don't get it, Like balance is important.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: It's like you can't kill all the predators because then
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the deer will get overrun and you're hitting them with cars.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And you can't kill all the deer because then there's
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: no food. And I mean that's what they did when
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: they are market hunting balance, and you need balance with
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: humans too, and the Austin balance is a great balance.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: It's a liberal city surrounded by like hardcore Republicans with
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: guns and tigers.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And it works, and it all work. It works. It
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: makes for nice people.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: It's like it's a good mix and a misunderstood mix.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. On the outside.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: They have a very distorted perception of what Texas is,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: especially Austin.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, how do you feel as a California I
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: mean you've bounced around, but as a California transplant? Did
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: you bring your sigeballs and you're you know, you're like
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I need all that California stuff here?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: What stuff I don't know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: That's like that's the thing though, right, it's like all
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: the Californians coming here and messing it up kind of thing.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I was never one of those.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So my what I got out of California was
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the comedy store and work and then jiu jitsu. So
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: like you get all that here. Austin is arguably the
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu capital of the world right now.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Really? Oh yeah, Oh that's interesting. Is this where the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: new League is based out of?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: No, that's you mean the UFC League. Yeah, No, that's
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: in Vegas. They do that in Vegas because that's where
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the UFC's headquarters are. But Austin has King's World, which
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: is Gordon Ryan's play. It's got b Team is out here,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: shan Jibra Hibbero's out here. There's a bunch of grazy
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Baja schools out here. There's multiple tenth Planet schools out here.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It's like there's an incredible amount of jiu jitsu out here.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: So what I'm hearing is this is where to bring
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: run Nation, bring it to Autumn.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Don't eat that. They'll never win.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: The only people are gonna win are those wild New
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Zealand dudes.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Those Australia guys, those guys will win every time.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: They're built for that shit. But it's uh, it's just
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a great city period. Artistically, it's always been like a
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: great music city. Now it's arguably the comedy capital of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there's so many comedians here now right.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: It's because they've got here and they went, oh, this
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: is way better. There's no traffic, everyone's nice, yeah, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want. And also there's a
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: lot of places to do comedy and yeah, just on
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: my street where my club is, there's five or six
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: other clubs that have opened up since we opened up.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. So it's incredible.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: So if you're a young comic and or an established
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: comics that just wants to work out material, you could
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: go go to my club, you hop down a street
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to the Sunset Room, which is my friend Brian's club
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: right down the street, and you can go down the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: street to the Creek in the Cave, an amazing club
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: that's just two seconds away.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: It's like one.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Block over, Like everything's close. The Vulcan which is right there,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: everything's right there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Huh. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's great. I'm glad you're
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: so stoked here.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I remember when the first maybe second time we hung
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: out down at your show in not Westlake, where was it,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Woodland Hills, right, and you were like, dude, I gotta
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: get out of here.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get out a long time ago.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: And fun fact, we started the podcast because I was
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: depressed because I had to move back from Colorado. Really
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: so I lived in Colorado for a little bit, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: my wife got pregnant, and when she was pregnant, it
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: was like, if you are an altitude, we're at eighty
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: five hundred feet level.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It's rough.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And we went back to La for a short period
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: of time and she was fine, yeah, and then we
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: went back to Colorado and she was sick again. I
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: was like okay, And then we were reading about low
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: birth weight, premature birth is a lot of like really
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: bad things that happened to people, especially if you're not acclimated.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: So you move to these high altitude areas.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: By the way, working out there, when I worked out there,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I was I thought I was gonna die. And then
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I went to Philadelphia and I had to do some
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: gigs in Philadelphia and I worked out and I felt
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like I could run through a.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Wall wall you just had so much much I was like,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: this is incredible.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: It's the only time in my life I've ever been
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: altitude adjusted where my body had adapted.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, there's as this is a
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: massive advantage. I wonder why fighters do.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: It and you don't acclimate being up at that height
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: over months or anything else.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Oh I did.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I certainly did, like I could work out there and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I used to. I did jiu jitsu in Bolder, so
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Boulder was I was in a place called Gold Hill,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: which is eighty five hundred feet above sea level and
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: boulders like fifty five So I was doing shout out
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: to a mall Easton, my friend of mall. He was
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a jiu jitsu gym in Boulder. Great place. And when
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I was training there it was fine. I mean, you trained,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: but you definitely could feel it. It was and I
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: had trained there once before when I had come from
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: LA and I was like, WHOA, this altitude is rough,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Like it's like working out in Denver. You're like, who
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you feel it, but not like you feel it at
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: eighty five hundred feet eighty five hundred feet was I'd
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: do this these kettlebell workouts, and I was doing it
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm used to what it does, like I'm used
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to be, and I was like, this is crazy. This
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: feels like I'm drunk, Like I found you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Just had nothing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It really felt like I drank a bottle of whiskey
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and tried to work out. I was so tired.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I went to the Himalayas like maybe four or five
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: years ago to look for red pandas up in the trees,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: you know, those cute little guys. And day one, I
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: literally maybe made it four hundred feet and then had
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to sit down. And I was like, all right, we're
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: trekking for pandas. We're heading up into the mountains. We'll
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: find these pandas. And I just I don't remember what
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the elevation was, but I'd come from Santa Barbara where
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I live, which is sea level, to the high Himalayas,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: and I had to sit down like every fifteen minutes
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the first couple of days.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: The most horrifying video the other day of this guy
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: who was on one of those summit hikes and slipped.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: His friends watched him slide like all the way down
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: to just sliding down ice and snow and couldn't stop
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and couldn't and they just had to stand there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And watch this guy slide away. What can you do? Nothing?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was trying. He was making it to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the summit and slipped, Yeah, and slipped off the you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: just a very clear path and slipped off of it
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and just start sliding and you realize, oh, he's gone.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That's it. He's going to go off forever. That's crazy. Oh,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it's horrible.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I always want to like take my kids to do
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: these things with me, you know, And I'm like, I
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: want to take them to track and see the mountains
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: and catch crocodiles and do all these various things that
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I liked to do. And you realize it's like my
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: six year old can barely walk in a straight line
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: without falling down, you know what I mean, Like, imagine
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: taking him on a mountain track.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so scary.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, like you don't want to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: protect them too much. You want to expose them to
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: a certain amount of danger because I think it's good
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: for them. Yeah, it's good for them to experience. It's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: also good for them to have like a broader understanding
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of what the world is, right, Like the world is
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different things, that's right. It's not just
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Santa Monica, that's right. Yeah, Oh there's Costa Rica, Like whoa,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. Get these bugs? These are nuts like birds,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Like there's it's nice. It's important, it is, yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Because otherwise we live in a bubble. Like America's great.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I say this to my wife all the time. I'm
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: so patriotic. I love this country. It's great, but it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: a bubble. Everything's easy, it's safe. You can order shit
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: on your phone, it shows up at your house. You know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: there's a million restaurants to pick from. Obviously depends where
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: you live, but you get my point, yes, And then
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you get out of here and it's like, okay, everything
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: closes at four pm, Like go figure out your food,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And then you're like, okay, well,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: now I have two kids who are hungry and we're
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: in the jungle or it's you know in a town
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: that everything shuts down on Sundays or whatever.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, figure it out.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Those are important lessons for little kids to be dynamic
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: and figure out, like how the rest of the world works,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: and that they have to figure out how to get
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: things when it's not old, just at the touch.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Of your you know, phone.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Also to recognize that there's going to be times where
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: you don't have food. Yeah, like, yeah, people are just
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: so accustomed to having food anytime they're hungry, and in fact,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: sometimes when they're not even hungry, bored so they start
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: stuffing their face. Never existed in all of human history.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: No, no, dude, I just read You might be well
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: read on this, but I just read something interesting, The
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: eight hour night of sleep.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, invented by a mattress company. You know about those.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't know it was invented by a mattress company,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: but I do know that traditionally in the past.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: People would do two sleeps. That's right.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this was Yeah, so you know about what
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I just read this literally yesterday and
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: one of my doomscrolling things.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: But it's it's interesting because I did that a lot
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: when I was young, where I would wake up in
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night and I just decided to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: watch TV, watch TV for a few hours, and then
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I go back to sleep. But it was just for me.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: It was just like being indulgent because I was single
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and free and you know, twenty five years old and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I had my own apartment. I'm like, I do whatever
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the fuck I want. Yeah, get up at three o'clock
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: in the morning and watch TV for a couple hours
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and go to sleep till noon.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Why not sit around in your boxers, eat cereal? Yeah
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: a myth? Oh it is, Oh god, damn it everything.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I keep bringing up the myth.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: The tailor of dreams all my stuff on the same
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: Instagram video. You guys saw it and I thought it
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: was interesting too.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the myth.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I think that might be a myth, But I think
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the too, I think the too sleep thing it was
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: a way that people would get up in the middle
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: of the night. But you also have to think. I
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people went to bed way earlier because.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: It got dark and we didn't have electricity.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And there's a normal circadian rhythm where people get it
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: gets dark out, you eat, maybe hang out in front
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: of a campfire for a little while, and then you
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: go to bed. Right If you've ever gone camping, that's
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: what most people do. Most people don't stay up till
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: four in the morning when you're camping.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Not without booze. There's nothing to do.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: If you've got booze, you might be up late telling
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: stories and laughing. And if anybody breaks out a guitar
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and you're fucked and you're up all night.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: And you mentioned pandas, I was gonna ask about it
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: me and I'd just seen going around the same place
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: as that pandas are fake?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Did you see that zoo in China? A lot of
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: people talk about that.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Did you see the zoo in China that painted? They
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: say that?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: But the thing is about pandas is that? And I
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: went down a rabbit hole this the other night. There
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: were no depictions of pandas in like ancient Chinese history. No, yeah, true, Yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, they didn't show up until like god,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I want to say, it was like the sixteenth century
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: or seventeenth century.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: That's bizarre.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: I wonder why that is, because you know there were
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: explorers going through the area and all of that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Well, the idea was that maybe they were engineered to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: eat bamboo, because bamboo, if you think about it, is
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like a very prolific print. Absolutely, like I have bamboo
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: on my property. That shit just grows like it's crazy,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: how well it grows, grows.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: So quickly, and there's almost no nutritional value in it either.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so here's the panda interesting. The claim is
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: largely true with nuances. So was it what did you
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: search into perplexity our ai sponsor? Is it true that
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: pandas aren't in Chinese ancient history? The claim is largely true,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: though with nuance. Okay, Giant pandas strikingly absent from China's
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: classical cultural record, unlike the dragon, which is weird. Tiger crane.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: By the way, our conversation about it made it to
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: the view.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Texted you you changed your status to dragon believer.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: It was so funny, joy be he believes in dragons, Like,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is wonderful.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: This is so good.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so when did it happen?
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Unlike the dragon, tiger crane or tortoise doesn't appear on
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: ancient bronzes or pottery in Tang poetry, song paintings, Huan
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: yu an, how do you say that? Yuan drama, ming novels,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: or q i n g qing qing. Before the late
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: twentieth century, it had essentially no symbolic role in Chinese civilization.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Its status as a national treasure is a post nineteen
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: forty nine invention. After pandas became famous famous globally in
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: the twentieth century, Chinese scholars went back and combed old
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: texts looking for them. A few candidate references exist. The
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: shi Jing Book of Odes and shang Xu mentioned a
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: creature called Pi or Mo, which some modern scholars retroactively
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: identified as the panda, but the identification is contested, and
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: those same words were also used for.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Leopards, taper taper tape here.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Or mythical beasts. Emperor when of Han second century BCE
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: reportedly had a mo buried in his mother's tomb, sometimes
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: claimed as a panda.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Huh, but that's it's weird.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: That is very bizarre, fragmentary, ambiguous and rare. Nothing like
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: the deep iconographic tradition around dragons, phoenixes or tigers.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Why the apps Rogan style claim.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I've never even said it before.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Fuck you, how dare you perplexity? That is so funny.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: It's a Rogan style claim.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I think it is essentially on the podcast. Also, it's
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: listening right now because I sometimes they'll bring in questions
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: I've asked from like last month, and I be like
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, no, I didn't. This is a separate search,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: but it's like all locked into the AI history.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Oh I. I asked it a question once and it said,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: as you have previously stated, no way.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA interesting.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I was trying to find out, like how many views
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: something had gotten. Yeah, and you're like, as you've previously
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I told you, Yeah, you're using me as.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: This is why AI is so fucked up, Like you're
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: trusting me, I'm trusting you don't trust me at all.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I get all my information from you.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: That's so weird because it was weird because it's not like,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: you know, okay, there's no mention of ducks. I get
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: it because there's ducks everywhere. Who cares, right, Like, so
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: why do we write about them? But it's not something
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: like that. Kandas were never so abundant that it was
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: not worth talking about.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see if where this theory? Who invented this theory
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that they were engineered to eat bamboo?
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: So who did this engineering in this theory?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Well that's a question, like we did dogs right? Why
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: do we have dogs?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Right? Which is really weird? You know, why why I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: have a dog.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: He's a King Charles Cavalier, you know those adorable Yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: he's so cute.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I love him to death.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: But he he's made appearance on the podcast. Oh nice,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: he's uh the furthest thing from a wolf as far
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: as we've taken a wolf. Yeah, to make it so
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: fucking adorable and cute, but that is what it is.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was at.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: One point in time a wolf, and somehow or another
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: we engineered it down to a dog that's adorable and
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: just wants to cuddle with you and sit in your
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: lap and play.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: And weighs twenty five pounds.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: So what happened? And how did we do that? And
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: could you do that with a bear? And could you
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: get a bear? Then take that bear and make it something.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's the only bear that's a true herbivore
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's correct. Yeah, which is all bear? Yeah?
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Weird?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: So what have we done?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Their digestive tract We've changed. Yeah, and they're required like
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: it's like koalas. I think they only eat eucalyptus, that's right, yep.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Fucking weird, bizarre.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Weird.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Also has no nutritional value and you probably know this
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: makes them like high. Basically I was looking up who
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: did it and started going on the thing that it's
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: not No one is known for the theory.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: It's because they're actually carnivores.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're at tax say so it's koalas I think
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: are the ones that are pure herbivores.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: They definitely are. But they're not bears at all. They're marsupial.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: They just bears. So then they say they are taxonomic carnivores.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: That means taxonomically they're in the order Carnivora, if that
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: makes sense.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: So, but it says with a short digestive tract and
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: gut microbiomes of a meat eater.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, so the vegans. But you could
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: selectively breed for anything to some degree if you had
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: any time.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: But look, but that's the other thing, like why are
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they so cute that I think of that? Because there's
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: so much cuter than any other bear by far, like
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: that face even with the teeth out, like horrible buddy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: They also have the best pr campaign in history, Like
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: they're they're the dumbest.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Animals in the world. You know this, right?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't know if that's the right terminology.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: But like you can hand a panda and apple and
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: it will hand you its baby.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not joking, dude. You can find videos of this. Well,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: isn't that.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: More evidence that it's raised that it's been engineered because
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: it doesn't have the instincts that a wild animal would have.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Dude, their parental instincts are bonkers, bonkers, Like they will
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: drop their baby and go for an apple.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: That's how zoo keepers take their babies away.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: It's dude, it's like these guys are trying to go extinct.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I swear to God, it's insane.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So where did the theory come from? See if you
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: can find out where the theory came from that they
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: were engineered to eat bamboo.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: That's why I asked that exact question. It says, it's just.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Well, just starts showing up on my Instagram about three
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: months ago.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Huh did Instagram? You never know what you're gonna.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Get, of course, but that's what's fun. Yeah, as long
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: as you don't buy into it, dude.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: The problem is even like me and what I do
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: as a biologist, I can I mean, i'd say ninety percent.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I can tell, but there's a ten percent where I.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Can't tell if it's AI or real or and I'm
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: looking at it going, well, that behavior is wrong, so
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: it has to be AI. But it's crazy what's going
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: on in like the animal space with the AI mockups.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Now, I watched one today where it was a will
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: to be so a leopard had jumped on its back,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and the wilde bees jumped into the water, and the
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: crocodiles killed the leopard on its back, and then the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: wilde beest got away.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Totally fake, it sounds fake.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Wildebese is smart all of a sudden, so smart that
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: it figured out all I have to do is get
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: to those crocs and the crops Also, like you're gonna run,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I don't like, you're gonna give yourself more problems.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Right by going into the water.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, by the way, multiple crocodiles, So why wouldn't.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: They just eat you too? They would they just killed
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: It would kill everybody everything if they wouldn't.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Both of you are compromised. It's not going to just
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: grab the leopard on your back. It's gonna grab you
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: too because you can't get away.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Anything they can get. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, but it
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: was also fun.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly it's also get away a different video but here. Yeah,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: so this is a that's the longer cut of the video,
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: but you can see by like the saturation of the
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: leopard and like the way the claws are kind of
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: like there's no claws.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: It's almost like soft pawing it, you know what I mean,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: right right, Look how he's hanging on.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: This could be a video of a real wheel to
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: be getting need by a croc and it just added
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: the leopard to the back very well.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Pretty, It's pretty amazing. It looks perfect. Yeah, now bro,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: that's real. Guys.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Stop, this is different.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: This one's different because this one will also by the way,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: the wildebeest is doing way too well in that struggle. Yes,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: because when the crocodiles do get wildebeest, they get them quick.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Forgot them. This one.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Someone put some time into this.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when the crocks get a hold of something, it's
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: really it's a wrap, dude.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I just so much of a struggle I just did.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I'm probably not supposed to talk about this yet, but
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I just did this show for Discovery that I've been
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: working on for a couple of years, where basically I
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: put myself in the perspective of prey. So I would
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: have been in the perspective of that wildebeest through engineering
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: and doing all these like builds and stuff like that,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: and I lowered myself into a pond of crocodiles. It
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: was insane. I had a cage around me, so a
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: very small cage. It was basically a coffin.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: May matter what though, what's the cage made? Whatever? The
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: guy's in the world workshop could find I think steel.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Did we try it out first?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: No, I mean we tested it with nothing in it,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: and we're like, okay, this is working. I could send
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: it to Jamie iv it on my phone, but it
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: was okay, it was not do that.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, Well it's like those shark cages. Man,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: those things don't hold up. You've seen that before. Oh yeah,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: where they go straight through the shark cage.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's craziness. It's absolute craziness. I'll find here we go, dude,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: we did. I don't know why I did. Oh you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: know what, Jamie, go on the if you don't mind
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: going the Discovery Instagram. I think it's there. Good good
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: luck finding it. I can send you something in the meantime.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: But I think they posted like a short teaser of it.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: It was nuts, though. So I'm in this little cage.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: We rigged up these cables.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Do you wearing scuba gear or so?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I had a scuba tank with me in case the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: thing broke and I ended up on the bottom.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Sounds dumber, outline? Do you have so much oxygen before
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: they can get Yeah? Forty minutes minutes before ye, dude.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: And I was talking to our guy, so you know
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: TV production, So there's like stunt coordinators and all this stuff.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: And I was like, so, okay, cable snaps. I go down,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I grab the regulator. I've got thirty minutes, forty minutes
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: in my tank. Then what He's like, Oh, I have
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: this grappling hook. We'll throw it, hook it with the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: grappling hook and pull it out. I'm like, bro, what
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: if you hit a log? He's like, hmm, I hadn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: thought about that. I'm like, how you getting me out
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: of here?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: That's not only that that easily could take more.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Than thirty of course you can take more than thirty, so.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: You might have to get out and swim. I could
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: can you get out?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I locked myself into the cage. There was no getting out.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Did this. Yeah, it was pretty dumb. It was fun.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: It was cool though, because it was such a unique perspective.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: But I told my wife when I got home from
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: that one, I was like, yeah, I think this is
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: my last year of doing this shit. It's getting too
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: too much.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: That's the thing about those kind of shows. It's like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: it's not enough to just see the animals. You have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: to do something that makes it spectacular enough get people
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: to tune in. Like that Polar Bear one where the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: guy got in that big plexiglass.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Box that literally inspired the whole series. I swear, yeah, I.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Hate that video. It's crazy. I mean I watched it
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: one hundred times.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: I know I don't hate it, but I hate the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: idea of it because it just shows you how predatory
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: polar Bears are and how they don't give a fuck.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: It's just trying to get at that guy, isn't it crazy. Yeah,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: it's gary, I.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Mean, just actively hunting him. Yeah, it's so different than
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: the other bears, which like if you get killed by
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: a grizzly generally it's like you fucked up.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you stumbled upon one.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: That's all startled or yeah, or you startled it or
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: you know, you zig when you should have zagged.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the city in Russia, the abandoned island
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: city where the polar bears have taken over? No, oh,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: you got to see this. It's incredible.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I've seen videos of Russia of people like getting chased
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: by polar bears in their town.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, there's like the one where the guy
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: jumps on the snowmobile runs after him and.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It certainly gets away. There's a whole.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Area in the Bearing Sea that was I want to say,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: a former mining town or maybe fishing town, and people
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: moved out because it collapsed for whatever reason.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: This place. Look at this, and the polar bears have
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: just moved into town. Oh, they live in the house.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: They're living in the house. Look at this.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: They're just like they took it over as a den,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: completely took it over.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Ah, that's amazing.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: They're just fully moved in, like living in the house.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: That's a drone shop. But this is not AI. This
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: was legit.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: They're so cool looking. Oh, they're the coolest.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: They're so interesting.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: How amazing is that? Though?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Imagine like imagine you're out on a boat and you're like, oh, man,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: we've been saying for three weeks.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Oh look, there's like a little village. Let's pop in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: there for a day. Be a cool movie. Yeah, that
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: would be a good movie.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bunch of people like, oh, we found a village.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Let's go there.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: You like head in and turn, you know, like set
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: up in the and then all of a sudden you're surrounded.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all polar bear. You're like, why is there
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: so much shit in this house? Because they probably just
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: shit right in the house. So they're pawn at the drones. Yeah, wow,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: look how cool. They're hanging out the window like, Hey, Tom.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I'm on over, have a drink.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: You could put me in the glass box on this island.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: This looks so cool.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: It is so cool. They're an amazing animal, they really
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: are are. But they're they're so weird. They're so long too.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I went and did a sort of a trek with them.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Which where they getting food on that island? If they're
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: the only ones.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: There, Oh, well, they're the only ones there, but it's not.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: They're steels all kinds of other ship.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: They'll be hunting all the marine mammals in the area.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're the cleanup crew.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: And they swim huge distances. Oh yeah, a couple of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: turned up in Iceland.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Did you know that?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I think two or three cases of polar
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: bears that have swum from Greenland to Iceland and as
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: far as that, I'm not sure, but it's not close.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Obnestly took the Vikings like one hundred years ago. Yeah,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: that's crazy.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they swim that far.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Hundred miles? Are you hopefully this isn't a myth? Are you?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: Skin One says it was shot dead after it did
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: it in.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Eight Yeah, and it swam across right, Yeah, I get
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: offered one hundred miles.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: How crazy is that?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Just take a swim one day and end up colonizing
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: an entirely new place.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: So it's like the David Gog of polar bears. Bro,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I can make it feel no pain. Operation to kill
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: the animals captured on film. Let's fucking gold video might not.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Let's fucking go.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Let's see that video.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I got it air.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but isn't that craze? Two hundred miles swim as
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: a bear?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: This says it might have well jumped off with just
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: a piece of ice somewhere, So it could have you
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: got a little float, right, it could have hung out
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: for a little bit, sure, but still even fifty miles
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: that's pretty far.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Well, they can last so long with the fat that's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: on their body.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: And they like snooze float. Have you seen that?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: They like they won't just like actively swim, they'll like
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: kind of like snooze float in between hunting.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: In the winter they have so much fat, you know that?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Or yeah, in the winter stored up getting ready to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: chill because they.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Don't eat as much during the summer. Am I getting
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: this right?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I think so that they they like, yeah, you see
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: like snooze floating in the ocean.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Well, they eat a lot in the summer to get
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: ready for the winter, right.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Uh, their metallic I know they eat a lot in midsummer.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: They don't eat a lot. It's too hot for them
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: to actively hunt.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Oh I know that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: How hot? Is it too hot for them to actively.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: I went to Manitoba, Canada to go see them on
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: foot and it was like seventy five degrees at the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: height of the day, maybe seventy And yeah, they wouldn't
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: be hunting polar bears.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Were frequently tamed during the Middle Ages. What this is
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: snow bear has been captured alive in Iceland, but since then,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: receding North Pole Ice is diminishing their hunting and mating
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: grounds and jeopardizing their survival holdest.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Sighting in Iceland was eight ninety whoa sixteen years after
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: the first people got there.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: But what's crazy if you wow?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: What's crazy if you think about that is all it
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: would take if people weren't. There is two polar bears
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: over the course of polar bear's lifetime to wash up
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: on the island, and then you have a population of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: polar bears there right, do you know what I mean?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: The male swim's there. Five years later, the female swim's there. Boom,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: there's a population of There's plenty of food.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: You know what an adventurous female would have to be.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Twelve fifty two, Henry the Third took delivery of a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: white bear sent to him as a gift from King
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Hakkan the fourth of Norway. He decided to keep it
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: in the Tower of London. The bear was either too
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: big or too exciting to be taken to Oxfordshire, where
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: there had been a Royal Menagerie at Woodstock since Harry
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Henry the first rain. What's more, it needed to fish,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: So the beast was sent to the tower, and from
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: what we could tell, it was well looked out for,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: although it had a muzzle and a chained to wear
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: while on land. The Sheriffs of London were obliged to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: lay out more than a shilling a week for its upkeep,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: which added up over a year to roughly the expected
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: income of a night.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: What a wild story.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: They had no guns to stop and what the hell
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: would you do to him?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Blows and arrows, I guess and spears. The bear had
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: a long swimming leash. The man wore waterproof clothes. What
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: the keepers had a keeper? The bear came to the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Norwegian keeper and the keeper was allowed to lead fishing
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: trips into Thames. How do you say that Thames? Thames
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: which the tower sat. The men wore waterproof clothes. Again,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: build to the crown. The bear had a long swimming leash.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: There were salmon and the Thames in those days, So
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: while being in London was probably not half so pleasing,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: the bear sitting on an ice flow in the Arctic
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: circle it sure beat working.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: The way this guy wrote this is hilarious, by the way, Yeah,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: they do you know what sloth bear is?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mean as anything's there in Japan.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Right, India, India and into Nepal in that area.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: They're like a perfect example of not the size of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: the dog in the fight, but the fight and the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: dog because they're not a very big bear, but they
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: will take on tigers and everything else. They a certain
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: group I don't know the name of them, tribe I
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: think in India used to capture sloth bears and they'd
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: put a ring in its nose, like a nose ring,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: and then this barbaric it doesn't happen anymore. But then
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: they would take the bear onto the street as a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: street performer. I just read about this, and they would
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: light a fire and put like a big sheet metal
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: over it and then walk the sloth bear onto it,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: so the bear would dance because its feet were burning. Yeah,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: and yeah, they call it the dancing bears.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I guess it was in.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Nepaal and yeah, it a horrific thing that people used
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: to imagine doing that though, and being like, oh, this
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: will be worth a shilling or two, like well.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Bear baiting. They used to do that with dogs. They
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: used to have a chained up bear and they allow
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: dogs to fight the bear.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: They did that with bulls. Yeah, you know they have
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: a chained up bull and have dogs attack the bull.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: They used in South Africa in the early colonial days.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: They used to do with baboons and let the dogs
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: and the baboons fight and bet money on it.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People are so gross crazy.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: But you know, like I always have this weird stance.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Do I agree with any of it?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: But we wouldn't be where we or and care about
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: wildlife and conservation if we hadn't made some of those mistakes.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Is that what that is a mistake? I mean it's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: also if you hadn't seen half of your friends get
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: cut in half by swords, you're probably your understanding of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: the value of life is probably completely distorted.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Completely.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're living in a horrific time. Everyone's dying of
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: the plague.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Violence is entertainment, right, you know what I mean?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Like that is something to do, and life value is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: incredibly low, right, Life comes and goes.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: The Colosseum was when when was that?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know I should, but I don't.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: I think it was two thousand plus years ago somewhere
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: around there when they first started having these crazy games there.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know? They used to flood the Colosseum and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: do ship battles.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And I went there a few years back and we
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: went on a tour.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Is it cool? Oh?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: But it's also like you stand there and let you
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: try to take it in. Like when I go to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: these ancient places, I try to just like sit and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: just try to imagine, like when you're actually it's one
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: thing to imagine when you're looking at a photograph or
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: a video, but when you're at in the spot, you know,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: like when you're in Athens and you're like, yeah, standing
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: at the Parthenon and okay.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: What the fuck was this?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was this like?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: And that was like the center of everything everything democracy exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: And also drugs. Those guys were high as fuck. They
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: were all doing drugs. We went to Ulysses Lusis Eleusis
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: rather and uh, that's the place where they had the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Elusinian mystery schools and the people would go on this
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: trek where they wouldn't eat and they would walk from
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Athens and they would have these psychedelic rituals and you
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: know you're in this place where they did it, you
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: could like feel it.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean obviously not synthetic, but were they were
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: it just mushrooms?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: What wereychedelics?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Totally no, But they have had a residue from some
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: of these clay pots that had ergot in it. So
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: ergot is a fungus that has a very similar psychoactive
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: effect as LSD.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Oh. Interesting, it's uh.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: I think it has lysergic acid in it. Like what,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: let's find out what the what?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Actually it also kills people. There's been cases of ergot
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: poisoning through wheat.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Interesting, people have died.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: And they also think it's connected to the Salem witch trials.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Oh driving people crazy? Yes, so the Salem witch trials.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this has been proven, if this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: is just a theory, but the idea is that if
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: you have an early frost and that some of the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: wheat survives, but the wheat can have this fungus on
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: it that grows ergot. So this ergot fungus and so
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: you're eating this wheat and you're making beer out of it.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: And like everybody's tripping balls. I think a fucking witch.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: On accidental acid. That's hilarious.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, Like, man, this beer is really good, right
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: until there's a witch and then you're like, man, this
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: beer is bad.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Well there's also I mean, imagine, first of all, you've
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: got a bunch of crazy superstitions and people are afraid
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: of everything. Already you don't know anything about science, you
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: understand it, So this lot of fears, and then there's
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that claim to be the wise
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: people of the of the town and they tell you
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: crazy stories about witches and you're like, oh, which is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: a real Oh for sure. So lysurgic acid, amides, ergometrine,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: all these share lysergic acid, ergoline core, which is why
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: LSD semi synthesized from lysergic acid, is chemically related to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: ergot compounds.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: And all of this comes from that mold on the wee.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: That'sn't there a time where they they did it to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: people on purpose in France. I feel like this might
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: have been like a CIA thing. See if you can
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: find that story ergot. I think they they they put
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: because I think they were experimenting on the effects of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Ergot and I think they like picked a town and said,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: let's see, because we know they've done that before. We
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: definitely know they've.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Just hit the whole place is let's see, let's see. Yeah,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: why not?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Like we think about like what we found out during
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: MK Ultra that the CIA was running brothels and they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: would give the Johns lsd really it was literally called
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Operation Midnight Climax. And so what they would do is
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: they would have these two way mirrors set up. This
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: is proven this guy named Jolly West, who was the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: head of the MK Ultra. Who would they say, let's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: find out what happens. Do you get people ascid? What's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: the best way? Well, you get a bunch of people
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: and do it to them in a way that you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: know totally unethically. But this is the way. They're not
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: gonna tell you did it to them because they went
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: to a whorehouse. Like, no one's gonna admit they went
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: to a whorehouse. Right, So you get these guys, they
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: go to the get to prostitute. The prostitutes like could
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: you like a drink?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Oh I love it? Of course, hard hard dad work.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Here the guy sits down, he's thinking I'm gonna fuck.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: This is gonna be great.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Next wall Candles talking to him. Do you find anything
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: about the French thing.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Here? It is?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: I likely think of the famous Saint Esprie Cursed bread
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: incident of nineteen fifty one, long running allegation that wasn't
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: ergot at all but a secret CIA US Army LSD experiment.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: What happened in Saint Esprie, this small town in southern France.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Hundreds of residents suddenly suffered violent hallucinations, convulsions, insomnia, and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: psychotic episodes. Over several days, two hundred and fifty people
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: were affected, fifty were committed to asylums. Seven died, including
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: some who leapt from windows convinced they could fly, or
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: being chased by snakes and tigers. The official French investigation
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: blamed ergot contaminated rye flower from a local baker, classic ergotism.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Saint Anthony's fire. That's another case of it. Some later scientists,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: or maybe the same story. Some later scientists proposed alternative
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: culprits mercury, fungicide, nitrogen trichloride, bread bleaching agents or micotoxins
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: from Aspergillus fumigatis I.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Call bullshit on this.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: This seems like something where they test. Yeah, it seems
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: like a CIA. Two thousand and nine, American investigative journalist
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: HP Albarrea Alborelli Alborelli Junior published a Terrible Mistake arguing
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: that Pont Saint espri was actually a covert LSD field
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: test run jointly by CIA's mk YEA mk Ultra programs
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and the US Army Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: with Swiss drug company Sandos, who first synthesized LSD, allegedly
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: supplying the compound. So His evidence included a declassified CIA
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: document quoting a Sandos representative saying the Pont Saint Esprie
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: secret is being discussed, alongside references to LSD. Oh, they
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: definitely did it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds way more likely. That's way more likely.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: A testimony he attributed former CIA SOOD scientist Frank Olson,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: who died in a nineteen fifty three fall from a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: New York City hotel room after being dosed with LSD
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: by his colleagues.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Put your assholes serious, guys just dosed.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: At each other, it admitted an mk ULTRA incident. Interviews
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: with the former US intelligence officials why most historians remained skeptical.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Serious pushback came quickly, so symptoms don't match LSD. Victims
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: had gangreen like vaso constriction, weeks long psychosis, and physical
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: necrosis consistent with ergot alkaloids, not a single acute LSD dose. Interesting.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: LSD is water soluble and heat sensitive, so baking bread
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: would degrade it. The Sandos cable albre Albarelli cited is
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: ambiguous and predates the incident in some readings. No corroborating
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: documentation has surfaced, despite extensive mk ULTRA declassifications the nineteen
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: seventies Church Committee hearings. Yeah, but the problem with that is,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: like one of the one of the reasons why we
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: know about mk Ultra was evidence that they found that
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: had been in storage. So you know, when you say,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: like Freedom of Information Act, they don't give you shit.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: They just bait you with a little bit here and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: there to go, oh okay, they'll.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Just tell you we don't have any evidence, Go fuck yourself.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, look how hard it is to get the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Epstein files. This is a guy that was all live
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, right.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Where there were plenty of records of everything's happening exactly
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: and the internet this right, this reminds me, do you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: know about the lime disease? You know about this, like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: the Plumb Island thing? Yeah, yeah, seems exactly sious. I like,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist. This one to me
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: is like a no brainer.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also people want to say that lime disease
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: has existed forever, absolutely true, not to the extent that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: it exists today. Also not as contaminant, like not not
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: as as right.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: And like crazy crazy, crazy sweeping out west.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Not only that Plumb Island, they were absolutely doing gain
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: of function research on tics and the idea was the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: reason why they were doing it. And this is this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: is all me what I've read. I don't have any
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: direct information.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still fun.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: But what they said was what they were doing was
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: engineering ticks with these diseases. So what they could do
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: is they could spray them from planes and they would
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: overwhelm the medical system of any like overwhelm a town
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: that overwhelm their armies. You couldn't keep up, and it
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: would they wouldn't be able to fight.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: And it could wipe out food sources. It had like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: multiple implications. Exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: So now we have these fucking creeps from the World
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Economic Forum that are talking about the dangers of eating
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: meat right, and about how people eating meat is what's
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: wrong with them, that's why it's accelerating climate change. All horseshit.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: But they're saying it, and they're saying that he's almost
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: a moral obligation to create a tick, or to create
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: more ticks that would have this alpha gal in them.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: The one that makes you allergic to me. Yes, so
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: they're saying that they want more of that.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, the guy was talking about not only that, I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: have a buddy who has it, My friend Evan from
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Black Rifle Coffee, one of my best friends, love him
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: to death. Evan has it bad and it fucks him up.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: It's not as simple as you're he's allergic to red
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: meat like it fucks up all of his blood work
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: and his body's a mess.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: And he picked it up hiking and hiking got tick.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: And he didn't know and he got he's got bit.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: My friend Burke Kresher, his wife's family, half of them
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: have this fucking problem. No way, Yeah, Tennessee, this uh
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: is the Texas lone Star tip. It's a lone Star tickets,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: not the Texas Loan Star. But this one tick carries
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: this thing and they think that that might perhaps be
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: genetically engineered as well. It's crazy because there was no
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: alpha gal problem, no thirty forty years ago. It just
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: didn't exist. Now, all of a sudden, it's like ubiquitous.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: It's spreading too. It's yeah, it's crazy. I never used
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: to think twice about getting a tick. I get ticks
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: all the time, hiking around and doing the stuff I do.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: I never used to think twice about Now I'm terrified
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: of Yeah. I love meat, I'm terrified of it now.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: It's not just red meat. The lime disease is fucking
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: devastating early.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: It can fuck with you the rest of your life.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah. I know multiple people that have it,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: including Jim Miller, guy who fights in the UFC. He
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: really bad, jeez, and it fucked up his career for
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: quite a while. But he got his diet under wraps
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: and he figured out like what to eat, what not
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: to eat, and now he's fine.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Do you know about some of those other animal warfare
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: things they used to do, like the spy tech they
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: put in city cats.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Do you know about this? No, Well, dude, there's some
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: amazing ones.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Spy tech and cats.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: So during World War Two, Jamie would have to con
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: from what city this was in. I believe it was
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: the Russians used to put little hearing devices in street
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: cats because the Brits would go and meet in back
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: alleys and have meetings, but there were feral cats everywhere,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: so they'd have all these cats running around with these
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: wires in their brains and stuff, and.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: These little little, yeah, acoustic kitties. That's it. The CIA, dude,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: how crazy is this?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Acoustic kitty was an Essential Intelligence Agency project launched by
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: the Directorate of Science and Technology in the late nineteen sixties.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: In the nineteen sixties, SO tended to use cats to
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: spy on the Kremlin and the Soviet embassies.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: In an hour long procedure of veterinary surgeon implanted a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: microphone in the cat's ear canal and a small radio
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: transmitter at the base of its skull and a thin
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: wire into its firm.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, how crazy.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: Imagine that You're just like having a secret meeting in
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: a back cove, you know, back alley and there's a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: cat there just live streaming your conversation to the CIA.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Go back up a little bit here, it says, do
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the cat sense of hunger had to be a rest
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: in another operation? What interesting? First acoustic kitty mission was
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: an evedrop on two men in a park outside the
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Soviet Embassy in Washington, d C. The cat was released nearby,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: but was hit and allegedly killed by a taxi almost immediately.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: It was probably the thing was all fucked up.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: It probably couldn't get out.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, what is in my head? They put a
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: wire in my head?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Schizophrenic cat?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: How about?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: This is disputed in twenty thirteen by Robert Wallace, a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: former director of the Office of Technical Service, who said
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: the project was abandoned due to the difficulty of training
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: the cat to behave as required, and that the equipment
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: was taken out of the cat. The cat was resown
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: for a second time and lived for a long and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: happy life afterwards.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Lies. Yeah, you fucking killed that cat. It got hit
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: by a taxi, But it was fine.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: But I mean more than one cat, I'm sure, But
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: but this idea, the equipment was taken out of the cat.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: The fuck you did that you you spent money on
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: taking the equipment out?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Did you really or did you just kill the cat?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: One hundred assholes?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Dude, there's a few of these and the bats that
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: would light fires, you know about those ones?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Hold up?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: The military did not give up on this use of
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: animals as spies. As the two thousand and six the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Pentagon requested a creation of a cyborg cyborg insects for
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: use in espionage.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: The request was made by fucking.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: DARPA, of course, of the Pentagon scientists had cal Berkeley
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: responded by creating a controllable cyborg beetle in October of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: What's a there's a cockroach under your carpet here listening
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: to us somewhere right now.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: They're not going to hear anything other than the stuff
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: we already talked about.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true. The wonderful thing about having such a
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: retarded show. Yeah, whoa, look at this, Look at this,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Look at this as a fucking battery, and the beetle
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: that come on, look at a microchip on its back.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: It's amazing that the beetle can live through all this.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. That's why, old Wow.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: And then I guess as these things have gotten smaller
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: and smaller as shits and battery technologies and crew.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, think think of your cell phone and O
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: nine compared to now.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, fucking wild man.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a few of these there. They used
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: to light bats on fire and then they'd send them
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: to roost and then they'd burn down whole towns and
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: things like that.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: That's going back.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: Even, dude, there's spy pigeons where they put cameras, like,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: there's a there's a handful of these that the.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: CIA tried what they do with dolphins.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, like the you know, the whole the not belugo.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: What's Yeah, it was the beluga, the Russian spy whale.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I was talking about dolphins. They
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: used to.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Detonate things, Oh, tell me about it.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: They used dolphins as like literal distributors of warheads. Oh really,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: get a dolphin to go somewhere and then they blow
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: them up.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: No way like at a Kamakazi dolphin.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know the exact details of it, because I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: got sad when I was reading about it. I have
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: a deep attachment to dolphins. I fucking love dolphins.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: I always say anybody who hates dolphins has to be
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: a bad person.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I've had some experiences with them. I had one where
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: I was like really high on edibles in Hawaii and
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the dolphins would jump out of the water near the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: boat and they look at you. Yeah, they look at
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: you when they were jumping out of the water, like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: look look at me, Like, look, they're doing this thing.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And they're literally just playing.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: They're playing, yeah, playing, because they came to the boat
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: and they were jumping in the wake of the boat,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: and the more you would cheer and yay look.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: At that they.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Were doing that and they were having fun, And I
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: was like, these are incredible creatures.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, they totally pick up on your energy.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: So the Secret Dolphin Program began in nineteen fifty nine
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: detect underwater mines and enemy divers. But I think they
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: did stuff where they.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: Mean whether this is correct or they just like the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: one who's the history it says that they didn't do
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: anything to harm humans or engage in combat. They like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: telled their handlers to do it.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: The one that I've heard that they had.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: It was just signifying in dark water because they could
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: see stuff better than our current technology. Back then so
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: they would echo locate and say, yo, we got something
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: over here, come check it out.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: That's what this was.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Well, how does the dolphin communicate that back to the people,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: and how does it know what the person's intended? That's
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: pretty good. I think there was some speculation that they
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: actually used them as weapons, though.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Well have you seen not to transition off dolphins. But Vladimir, Vladimir,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: the Vladimir, I don't know, the Russian spy beluga. No, okay,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: this is a real thing, like like one hundred percent.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: This one's real. So there was this beluga whale named
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Valdimir Vladimir or something like that, and he turned up
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: in Norway, and he was escaped from a Russian spy program,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: and he had a harness with spy gear on him.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: This is him right here. Look see the spy gear
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: on him. It's like a whole thing. And so the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Russians had been training this whale as a spy and
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: had harnesses and spy equipment on him, and then he
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: just pieced out and and turned up and I want
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: to say Norway, and then they followed him for a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: while and then he mysteriously got shot.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Ye mysteriously ye.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: Things with the dolphins, like with the dolphins store. I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: don't know if this is exactly, but I did read
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: this one time that we would like, if we knew
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: Russia was doing this, we would put some paperwork out
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: that said, well, we've got dolphins that are, you know,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: blowing up mines, right.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: So you guys know what now you got now we
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: gotta figure that out.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. It's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: like you never really know what's real.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: How cool the bluega whales look though, look at that
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: thing that looks like an alien. They're super super I mean,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: look at that that looks like if we have come
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: to your planet. They discussed your use of nuclear power.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: And you would talk in that very calm tone. That
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: looks like something that would be very calm. No, that
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: was a yeah, this was a crazy So you know
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: that John Lilly researched with dolphins.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Do you know about that?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. John Lily is the guy who invented the sensory
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: deprivation tank.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he have one of those.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, we have one over he Yeah. John Lily was
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: the man who was the inspiration for the movie Altered States. Okay,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: So John Lilly, who was this really interesting guy and
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: was famously like out there with psychedelics like he would
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: he would take intramuscular doses of ketamine and jump in
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: the sensory deprivation tank.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Oh damn, yeah, trying to unlock brain things.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: My friend Todd actually did it with him.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So John Lilly, who was also a pioneer in
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: interspecies communication. So they were trying to figure out how
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: to communicate with dolphins. So they set up a house
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: and this lady lived with the dolphins in the house
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: to get the dolphin and trying trying to coach the dolphin.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: And the way like literally she lived in water, so
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: the water was like, you know, four feet deep, and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: she lived with this dolphin. The problem was the dolphin
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: was super horny. So the only way that she could
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: get this dolphin to cooperate was she had to jerk
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: him off. Yep. So she was jerking off the dolphin
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: and somehow or know that, they found out and they
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: cut the funding for research.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: But she had to do it. That's what I said,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: you gotta do it. That's the It seems like she
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: liked it though.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Look at her, she's hugging them. She's like yeah, I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: mean after a while she probably did enjoy a little bit.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, what else are you gonna do? You're stuck
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: in a tag with a dolphin?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: The girl who talked to dolphins? So is there a
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: documentary on this? Oh? Let's uh? Is there a clip?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Is it like blurry? You see her hand moving.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Water turning white? So I guess.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: But if she jerked the dolphin off, then the dolphin
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: would try to talk to her. But the thing was
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: you can't really get them to They can't make the
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: noises that we want them to make. They don't have
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: the ability like it gets it, but it can't like.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: The vocal cords aren't there? Right right? Right.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: That's one of the things where AI may actually start
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: to make a huge difference, right, yeah, right, because they
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: are able to decide for a lot of like cetacean
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: like dolphin and whalelane language now and with enough of
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: a database, they'll start to be able to say like
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: this is this means this?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: This means this?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: Have they actively deciphered It's.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: So it's coming up to so base. You know, AI works,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: you have to train it on something.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Is this the lady. She looks like a kind of
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: lady that would do that.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: She's got a real dolphin jerk. Look to her crazy story.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Listen to these orca wheels imitate human.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Speech, says, it's responding, I'm here.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Oh there's your guy. I'm here.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: Bye bye bye bye.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Oh it's getting there. It's trying. Yeah, whoa hello, it's amazing.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Whoa wan doue. I bet what it wants to say
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: is let me go, you fucking asshole. Put me back
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: in the ocean, you crazy bitch.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Quit jerking me off and put me Maybe if they
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: jerked off.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: The killer wheel, the wouldn't have killed them. Yeah, it's
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: just like SeaWorld alone.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: It's just it's so awful.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until those that documentary was it called
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Blackfish Blackfish, Yeah, that was like the first one where
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: people went like.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, it was really eye opening.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't support this at all. I mean, I can't
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: believe people still even go.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: To Sea World.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy. Do you know about basically prison You
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: know about those two in France that are trapped there. No, oh,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: this is interesting. So there is basically a sea World
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: equivalent in France. And the government shut it down. I
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: forget the I'm sure we can figure it out, but
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: it was shut down. But then the dolphins and the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: two orcas were not released, and the guys like these
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: are mine, I'm not releasing them, and I kind of
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: afford to release them or remove them. So they've just
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: been sitting in these abandoned tanks for I want to
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: say a year now, maybe maybe more. Yeah, this is
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: it here, the race to save these two Jamie. I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: don't know if you can see if there's an aerial
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: shot of it, but yeah, so they're just sitting in
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: this thing, but but it's closed. The guy kind of
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: afford to feed them because nobody's visiting. And then I
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: believe the government just doesn't want to do anything about
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: it because they're like, we just wanted to shut you down.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: We don't want to actually like do anything about it.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: So there's just these two orcas sitting in these tanks.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: And how they get food.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: I mean he's feeding them, but he's like doing it
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: out of his pocket, and it's like few and far between.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh man.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's a crazy they're they're, yeah, the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: abandoned whales and they're just sitting in these tanks.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: We've had a do you know Phil Demers's he's a
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: guy who uh he helped shut down Marine Land in Canada.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, which was an awful, awful bad facility. There's
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: so many of these fucking places like that. See what
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: they're doing, and just like, oh, man, if we could
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: understand them, Yeah, and we could. I think someday in
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: the future we're going to look back at that the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: way people today look back at slavery. Oh totally, we're
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: gonna say these are intelligent creatures. They just they just
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: don't have the ability to manipulate their environment like we do. Yeah,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: but like just dolphins, their cerebral cortex is forty percent
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: larger than a human beings. So something's going on in there.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: And you think it's okay to put them in a
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: swimming pool. That's crazy, dude. It's the same thing like
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: what I was talking about.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Elephants, their EQ they're emotional intelligence. We kindt of even comprehend it,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: like the way those animals feel. Like the highs that
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: an elephant experiences and the lows that experience are way
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: bigger than the highs or lows than most humans. I
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: think any human can experience, like their EQ is way
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: bigger than ours. The trauma that they feel from losing
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: a loved one or from being abused or whatever it
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: happens to be is like ten x what humans can
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: even emotionally comprehend. How do we know that based on
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: their their brain scans and whatnot. I don't know those
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: specifics of it, But because that part of their brain
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: is so much larger than ours, and so you have
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: these they might not have the same like computive skills
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: as we do mentally, but they have this emotional intelligence.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: It's like so much deeper and broader than ours. At
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: least that's my belief.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: It is a weird thing with us where we only
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: characterize intelligence as the ability to manipulate your environment. Yeah,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: we want you to write a book, right, don't. I
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: don't trust you. You're real you're really smart, Meyerhouse.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Why don't you?
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: How come you don't have a rocket ship?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: You're so smart?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Where it's your phone? Right? Yeah?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it's weird. It's weird, right, It's a weird
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: way to look at things.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I think there's a part of people
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: that recognize that this this direction that people like that
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: this classification of intelligence in that way is wrong, but
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think we can really quantify it yet.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: And if AI really can decipher a dolphin language work
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: a language, will language, they really can, and we realize
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: that they're actually community and God, I would hope that
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: would change our approach to how we deal with those things.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: I think it would, because there's I think they are
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: see people really, Yeah, they're just they don't need to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: manipulate their environment. First of all, they can travel three D.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: They go up, they go down, they go across. They
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: can hold their breath for an hour. They don't need
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: to make a house. No, their food is everywhere. Also,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: they're at the top of the fucking food change, right.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: They're orcas, and they're they're nomadic.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: They don't. They don't.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: We are not nomadic by trade, so we have to
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: manipulate our environment to make it more comfortable.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Or because they're not low.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can move so fast. They can make a
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: sunfish explode. We're so slow, like the fastest people like,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: we just run into each other and knock each other unconscious.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: That's that's what we could do.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: Fun to watch, though, dude, But I want to go
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: back to what you said about I agree, by the way,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: about orcas and captivity in whales and things like that.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: There's this huge anti zoom movement that I just don't
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: agree with, though, like I I belie leave. I agree
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: with you that in the future we'll go why did
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: we keep animals the way we did? And when you
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: look at old zoos and concrete boxes and stuff, huh.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: But there's so much good that animals and captivity have done,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: saving species, keeping things alive, connecting kids to nature. There's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: a there's a lot of gray area. There's kings, and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: there's fucking San.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Diego Zoo, you know what I mean. There's a lot
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: of nuance to it. San Diego Zoo is an excellent
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: example of a really great zoo. It's unbelievable, it's incredible.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: I've been to that place before. Yeah, but I also
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: went to that wolf place with you. Yeah, and that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: made me sad. I know, yeah, I know, I went there.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I was bummed out, man.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: But at least they're rescuing them, you know, like I
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: know what. They also cut their balls off.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that bummed me out hardcore.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Otherwise they all fight I mean, but that's the gray
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: area that you had, Like, what's the alternative? You know,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: it's like they dies lose, but then none of but
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: only a few of them were pure wolves. You can't
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: just let you know because then you're muddying jeans.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: It's such a complicated thing.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that the whole reason why black wolves exist in
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: the first place. I think black wolves exist because it's
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: a trait that they got from domesticated dogs.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: I read that and then I read it was false,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: and then I read it again. I don't know what
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: the truth behind that.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Is put into perplexity should say it's a roganesque claim
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: that on today's podcast.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: You kind of get a good that's interesting. How do
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: you word that? Would you say? Is it true that black.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Wolves inherited that trait from domesticated dogs, because that is
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: one thing that absolutely has happened, is that there's been
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: interbreeding between Yeah, and not just on purpose?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, it happened. Yeah, I mean you get yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: Is the genetic mutation of a black fur color brought
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: about by domestication? Yes, sorry, thrown a lot.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: At you, Jamie. Is it is the black the trait
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: of black wolves.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Did they inherit that from domesticated dogs?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Edit my thing man?
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Or not? Uh?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: From domesticated dogs?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: I would yeah? Yeah, see see what it says.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Let's say, do do.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Pointed enough? Start guessing?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I love watching it work where it's like spinning. Yes,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: this is well supported by genetic research. Black coat color
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: in North American wolves comes from mutation and the K
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: locus especially specifically, excuse me, a three base pair deletion
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: in the CBD one three. I don't know what that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: little thing is. I don't know defense in gene Is
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: that what it is? I think produces a dominantly inherited
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: melanistic phenotype. The mutation originated in dogs and moved into
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: wolves through hybridization, not the other way. Around two thousand
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: and nine study by Anderson at All first identified the
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: KB black allayle in wolves is derived from wolf interbreeding.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Follow up work analyzing three hundred and thirty one wolves
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: and twenty dogs found that North American.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Wolf how do you say that word?
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Haplow type haplo type? Yeah, our monophyletic meaning a single
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're my teacher of.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: A single, good job.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: Introgression event from dogs most likely seated, uh, the ale
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: through the continent, probably in the Yukon or North Northwest territories.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I went to wear a colossal. I made
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: the dire Wolf and when you guys went, that was
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: a interesting experiment.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Was that cool to see?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, I haven't even seen him. I know, it's a
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: whole hush hush.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: I brought my youngest daughter and she was cuddling with
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: the four month old wolf.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. You can cuddle with them win.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: They're four months old up until a certain point. But
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it was like a puppy.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: And it was still huge. It was no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: it was pretty small. Yeah, it's like, uh.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Like that fucking cute man. And she was so sweet.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: She was so sweet. She would cuddle with you and
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: you pet her and she'd kiss you. It was like
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: a fucking dog man. That is a yeah, that is
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: my god. She's so sweet. But the males, they had
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: two males that had that's her name, that's right, Kalisi's
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: the girl. So there's Romulus.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Look how cute they are.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: When Ed did a baby and remiss Romulus and then Kalisi
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: the girl, that was pretty cool. So Kalisi was the
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: one that we got to the cuddle with and they're cute.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. She was so fucking adorable. But you
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: can only hang out with her for a little while.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: And then they got big and now they're big. Yeah,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: he sends me pictures. So they were like that when
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: we went there, like that size. That size that's already
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I let my kids in.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: With a wolf that size. Well, they kept away from you.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were in a large contained area, but
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: we got to go out with them. Yeah, and uh,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: they just kind of hang out and look at you
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: away from me for the most part.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: But she didn't.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: She but she can't be with them yet. Yeah, she
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: was too little interesting, It was too like, you know,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: they didn't want her to get killed. Was just too sketchy.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: She's tiny, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: And she was you know, she was still a baby still.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: But they were older. I think they were a year
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: or close to a year. But they could hang out
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: with them for the first like five or six months.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: I think. Oh, after a while, they just got different.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: There's also some stuff about them that they didn't even
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: know dire wolves had, like the main which they're getting aba.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: They have a main like almost like a lion's wow,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: which they didn't know, and they didn't know they were
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: going to be white either.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: Now, is that a variant from their genetic mutation work
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: or is that something that's just expressing itself.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Very good question that you'd have to talk to a
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: geneticis about, because like there's a lot of people that
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: don't even agree they're actually dire wolves.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: A lot, yeah, a lot. Yeah.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: They're essentially saying, the way you've done is you've taken
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: the traits of dire wolves and you've made them be
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: expressed in a gray wolf.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Gray wolf.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: But that's what Beth says they've done, you know what
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like she's she's not they're not hiding that there.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: We're trying to fill a niche, we're trying to make something.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but she's also said that I think I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: don't want to mischaracterize, but essentially what they're saying is,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: but that's what a dire wolf was right, like that
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: they are a wolf that has all of these traits, right,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Like the size is the same, the look is the same.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: You can get technical and say no, you've taken a
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: gray wolf and made it exprest but yes, but they
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: got those genes specifically from dead dire wolves es, right,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: So it's like, well, what is it our own classification
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: of these things that we're disputing, right, because we can't
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: just decide like that this I call this a direwolf,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: and that's what it is.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: The genes don't give a fuck what labels you put
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: on them, not at all, you know. And if you
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: make a dinosaur like that's not a real t rex,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: it ate everyone in the city.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: It's a real tea wax.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: So it just took over a fucking city and it
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: just ate everyone in a VW bus.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: It's a thirty foot tall lizard. It's a dinosaur like,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how you shape it.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Oh the wooly mouse is really cool too.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really neat.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: Ben Ben Ben told me one day I could have
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: a wooly mouse, so I'm holding him to that.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting seeing the dire wolfs though, and just
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: imagining what was it like when those things are just
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: roaming the earth.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I know, because it's like a three.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Pound wolf that's all white with like thick fur and
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: a mane like a lion.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Dude, speaking of roaming the earth.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: Have you heard the theory about how sloth bears stopped
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: sorry not sloth bears, what were.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: The big cave bears?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: Short face bears stopped human immigration?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Have you read about that? Yeah, that's really cool.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Totally makes sense.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: It totally does.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: They just stood there waiting for people like salmon to
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: cross the bearing land bridge and they're like, well it's
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: that time of yearn Also.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Like, who would do that knowing that those things are
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: out there?
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: That thing was so big.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like double the size of a polar bear.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Twice large polar bear that can run fifty miles.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Look at that thing.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: I don't care how smart we are. That is not
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: something you want to face.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: Right, even if you have a gun, like, good luck,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: if you have a nine millimeter handgun and you run
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: across a grizzly bearry, you're dead. Yeah, it's not gonna
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: be enough firepower. Now, So what are you gonna what
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: are you gonna hit that thing with?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Well, they have rocks, so you know that's good. Rocks
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: and spears. Yeah, rocks, oh, rocks.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I mean when they first started coming across, did they
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: even have fucking bows?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: And arrows in that yet I don't know, Yeah, but
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: they I mean spears for sure.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: But like that, But then there's the there's the real question,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: is that the only way people got here? Right when
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: you see the White Sands footprints that are twenty two
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: thousand years old, and you start going, Okay, well this
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: predates the Ice Age.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: It's before any humans were known anywhere in the New World.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, well, what's going on there, right,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: because this is actual human footprints, right, that have been
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: dated to twenty two thousand years ago. Yeah, and that's
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: just all we found. Yeah, that's just because they left footprints. Yeah, Like,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean there wasn't something there fifty thousand years
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: before one hundred thousand exactly exactly. And then there's in
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Mexico this evidence that looks like predation on mammoth bones
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: by humans.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Really spearheads and things.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Carvings into mammoth bones. It looks like they're broken open
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: to get marrow. Very disputed, right, because there's also some
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: people that think it could have been like some rocks
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: falling on the bone.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how this is happening, but it does
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: think they.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Let me write this up for Joe fuck figure.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: We're going to get a separate computer that we only
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: use for perplexity.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: What is the question?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: Sorry, well, how would humans have contested short face bears
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: on the Bearing street?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: Let me write this up for Joe fuck off man
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: like a baby.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: The monster bears kept humans out of North America doesn't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: hold up any longer, apparently.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: When I was finding people said it was a myth
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: that someone a scientist cause us commented on a paper.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily he could have thought that, but they
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: didn't have evidence for it.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, like the idea of a bear line. No,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: because the problem is bears they would have to eat
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: so much to sustain that kind of mass. Yeah that
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: there couldn't really have been a lot of them.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: No, but it sure makes sense that there were predating
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: upon people when they came across.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: So hold hold up, hold up, go back up here.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: This this guy's saying something kooky. He's saying that hyper
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: carnivore built for pacing long distance. He argued that it
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: was primarily a scavenger, using its size, sense of smell,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: and long legged gait to klepto parasitize kills from lions,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: dire wolves, and scimitar cats rather than the rundown prey itself.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: That doesn't even make sense. Long legged gait would make
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: it faster.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: I heard about this, So, yeah, the theory is that
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: short faced bear would come in and rob a kill,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: like basically what a hyena does.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: To lions or what wolves do to mountain lions. Yes,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: but I think it to me, it doesn't add up.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, grizzly bears chased down moose and kill them.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of videos. I watched a video yesterday of it.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: They've also shown now that hyenas are incredibly efficient predators.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: And until like ten years ago, we thought hyenas were
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: only scavengers.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Or fifty I mean it's longer than that, but you
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: And now they show they have like a thirty percent
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: success rate, which is very high.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no reason why they wouldn't be if they're carnivores, Like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: why would they be completely relying on other animals to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: do the work for them when they have that kind
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: of biting power.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: They they're just opportunistic like old carnivores, and they move
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: as packs.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they work as pack animals, so they kind of
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: move like dogs.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna get food, get food, you know what
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: If you can kill it, kill it, if you can
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: fight something off for it, fight something off for it,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: like it doesn't really matter.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: That's how carnivores are.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: What is this, dame? What are you saying?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Says? This is how they hunted brown bears. The probably
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: would have done it the same way. Oh, get him
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: in the dens and then burn it, burn the entrance
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: with fire, probably kill the babies, right.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: But that's if you had access to fire.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: I had an addle addlet and a spirit at best,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: and maybe some fire that they could maybe move.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: You know, you know how close you have to be
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: to kill It's something with an addleaddle.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: There's there's some videos that are really interesting where they're
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: showing people realistic scenarios where a bear is charging you
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: and they pull the out. Yeah, showing bear spray and guns,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: like showing them like a matt Like imagine you have
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: a ten millimeters semi automatic pistol and you have to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: rack it, so you have to rack a slide. Yeah,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: so the gun, the bear is coming, you have to
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: draw the.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Gun rack it, take the safety off.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: And then point it towards the animal and squeeze it
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: your You're dead.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: You're done, You're already dead.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: It's it's like that, it has to be like one
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: hundred yards away from you as it starts running for
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: you to didn't get a shot off.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: I think the like idea is the bear gives you
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: some sign. Look at that bullshit ass thing. I've tried one.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: It is impossible to throw accurately.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Well, that's true, but you're not practiced in it, no,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: of course, not like Yeah, I mean I've seen people
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: that are super accurate with spears.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Is anybody Adam green Tree doesn't he do the at Liddle?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: That's just like.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I think I've seen him.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: He probably knows how to do it. Yeah, But I meant, well,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: A good weapon. No, I mean, it's definitely.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Better than no weapon, but throwing a spear it just
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: goes further mechanical leverage.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: So it's just I have a thing like that for
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: my dog. It's like it's like a thing with the
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: ball that has a ball in the end of it,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: and you can it's so easy to not blow your
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: shoulder out. You can throw it pretty fucking far right,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: and whenever every time I do it, I was like, wow,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: of course this is way better.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Yet extra leverage.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: With this thing. And then also you can kind of
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: whip it with your wrists and you get all this
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: action with the ball. You would do the same thing
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: with a spear with it makes sense, It makes sense.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: It seems hard to be accurate though, super hard.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to be accurate with a traditional bow,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: you know, it's so hard. Like I, you know, I
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: shoot a compound bow, and a compound bow is uh,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: there's so much technology involved.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: First of all, I have a laser range finder and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: I arrange something. It says fifty two yards. Then I
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: go to my site tape that's on my site on
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: my bow, and I dial it to fifty two yards
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: because I use archery software that measures the weight of
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: my arrow. So I have this five hundred grain arrow,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: and then it has the speed per so it's three
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety feet per second from a five hundred
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: grain arrow. And then I put it into this computer
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: and it spits out a site tape so that I
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: can move my pins specifically, so I could put it
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: in a quarter well fifty two yards if I was
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: accurate enough.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: No one really is, except like really excellent world class archers.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: With a traditional bow, you're just guessing, Yeah, so you're
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: just guessing the arc of the arrow, and then you
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: have to think, Okay, I'm buying arrows right that are
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: made by a guy who's measuring them. They're all down
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: to like they're within two grains of each other, and
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: they have like inserts. My front of center is very.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: High, perfect aerodynamics, and it made at a carbon fiber.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: These fucking arrows, they're making them by hand, and then
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: they're making the arrow heads by hand, so they could
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: be off each one of them. Like, so you're just
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: guessing where that fucking arrow is gonna go. And you
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: have to shoot every day to get a real sense
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: of like what the drop is at a certain distance,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: and then you have to kind of judge how far
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: is he is he twenty yards.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: Thirty yards, fifty yards.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: So even with modern traditional bows, and that's like that
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: sounds like a.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean. Re curves and long bows, right.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like an oxymoron, But they are
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: still traditional in the sense of you're not using cams.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: You don't have like a cam that rolls over, and
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: it's mechanical advantage. Fiberglass limbs and all this chest you're
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: using like wood still, right, even with those things, you're
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: still buying arrows, and the arrows weigh the same amount.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're perfect.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: So if you did that over and over again in
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: your yard, you did it every day for three hours
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: a day, you would get a sense of how far.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: And then if you did it a bunch, you'd get
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: an idea of judging distances. And there's like little tricks.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: There's certain archery tournaments where you're not allowed to use
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: a rangefinder. Oh really yeah, And so the idea is
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: you have to develop the skill of being in and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: I think these tournaments probably started back when rangefinders didn't exist. Yeah,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: and then when rangefinders did exist, they're like, nah, that's cheating, and.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Then the targets are at various yes, yeah, And so.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Guys develop a very good way of measuring distance sure,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: And what essentially they do is they can pretty accurately
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: judge five yards, and then they double that, and then
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: they triple that, and then they try to figure it
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: and they get within like ten or fifteen yards. But
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: you know that's a lot, even with a compound bow.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: You know, that drop of ten or fifteen yards, it's
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: pretty significant, even something that's going three hundred fet a second.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: But when you're doing with a fucking wooden arrow that
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: you made yourself with a stone tip, like like one
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: of these bad boys. I have one here, somewhere, somewhere
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: on this desk. Yeah here, It is so cool.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Like that somebody made that.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: So if you make that one and then somebody else
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: makes one right next to it, it might be fifteen
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: grains different, it might be fifty grains different.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: And the aerodynamics are different, like the flint napping is
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: completely different.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this thing's not rare. That's not good. That's
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: plain like a motherfucker shot it out of a really
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: good bow.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: And not to mention the stress of if I don't
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: kill this thing, I'm either gonna die or I'm not
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: gonna eat or you know all the other things.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: And give a fifteen foot bear right right, Oh yeah,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: probably bigger, like was the height of a short face
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: bear or the length? Like what is the what is
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: a big short face bear?
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: You've seen those caves, they have in like Missouri where
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: they're still claw marks from short face bears and things.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can go visit like middens of them
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: in Missouri where.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: They used to live out a cave like a den.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where they live dens and you could see their
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: claw marks in the mud and everything else.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: Eleven to twelven and twelve feet. I think they probably
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: have to be bigger than that, because Kodiak bears get
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: that big. Kodiak bear bears can get twelve.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Feet, do they they get that big Kodiak Yeah?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe they're measuring them squirrely, because you know,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: like a lot of times they measure stuff to try
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: to make it seem bigger. So what is the largest
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: Kodiak bear ever killed? Let's look look that up, largest
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Kodiak bear, largest Kodiak bear ever killed.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Ever recorded. There you go recorded the same thing.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, they have it by weight. It's one six hundred
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: and fifty six pounds, which is, by the way, whole it's.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Lee shit insane. Yeah, and nearly a one ton bear. Yeah,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: that's so.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: Craig the hind foot measured eighteen inches. Oh god, how
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: tall was it? How long. Was it more than that?
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's over a ton in a zoo zoo? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: But he might have been fat.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: He was fat, he.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Might have been short fat. So what is the so
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: what is the longest, the largest length?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he's sitting. I think I've seen this
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: bear and he's sitting in the Anchorage airport when you
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: land there.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: Oh this is a big is that that bear? I
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: think that's the largest bear I've seen that. Yeah, I've
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: seen that in Anchorage. That's that thing's nuts.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: At the airport there. Yeah, it's like a glass case
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the biggest bear
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: ever ever shot.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: Look at that one ever recorded two thousand, one hundred
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: and thirty pounds.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: No, no length measurements. Where that is so big?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy, the short faced bear. They don't even
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: really know how much it weighed. They're just basing it
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: on the bones. Yeah right, they don't have a dead
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: one now.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: So that right that photo up there, that's Fred Bear
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: with his nineteen sixty two world record Alaskan bear. Go
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: back to that photo that you just were at before. Yeah,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: look at that, that's his stuff.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: Bear.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: Jeez, he shot that with an old bullshit bow. Yeah,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: look at his bow. That bow sucks. That's so crazy.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: He was the first like modern bowhunter. Oh really yeah,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: I mean he's a guy who popularized bow hunting. Fred
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: Bear is a legend in the bow hunting world. And
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: I mean you got to think much, how good does
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: life have to be? Where you go, let's try to
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: do something that people used to do before guns. Yeah,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: just because it wasn't really a thing that people practiced
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: for fun. Like the food had to be so readily available. Yeah,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: we had to say, let's make it harder. Yeah, go backwards. Yeah,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: let's have so much food, let's make it more difficulty.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: And then there's guys to day that they don't like
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: compound bows because they're too hot, too easy.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're using recurvey. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: My friend Aaron Snyder, who's a like a world famous
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: bow hunter, went back to using a recurve bow because
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: it was killing too many things with a compound bow.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: Fella goes too easy.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: But that's what happens, right, is these guys master their
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: their craft and when they spend all that time on it,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: and then they're like, how do I make the challenge
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: harder on that.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: Also, they're competing with other world class bowhunters, like they're
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: all like who's the man?
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: A little bit of that. But it's also like that's
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: how they get good in the first place. Like this
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: is a weird thing about people in competition. You say
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: competition is bad, Like, okay, are you saying that on
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: your phone? Because how do you think you got a phone? Yeah,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: you got a phone because somebody these competings other people,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: they developed a phone. Like it's just a different kind
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: of competition.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I think competition is essential to human culture.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: It's certainly essential to progress. Yeah, and this is why
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: socialism is never gonna work. You got to reward people.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: If they're not rewarded, they're not going to work hard,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: hard enough to do anything really spectacular. Why bother, So
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: you're never going to get a laptop. It would have
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: never happened. You would have never had high speed internet.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: Somebody has to profit wildly, yes, for them to be
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: enthusiastic about spending seventeen hours a day making something like.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: But that's the joy of competition paying off. Yeah right,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: It's like I know, not so much with bow hunting.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: But if you're competitive as a person to the point
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: that you succeed the most at developing a phone or
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: a cup or whatever it happens to be, you win
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: and you get paid the month.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: We just have to have regulations to make sure that
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: those people don't run a muck and then take over
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: entire countries.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: And become a monopoly.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what was going on with Microsoft in
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties. You remember all those remember that.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: No, what was how were they taking over?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates was a maniac still but before people think
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: of Bill Gates now, well now I think COVID kind
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: of ruined his people's impressions of him. Can now they
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: think of him as a vaccine pusher, but also as
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: a philanthro capitalist where he's doing philanthropy that makes millions
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: and millions of dollars for him.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: Didn't you also put out that anti protein? Wasn't that him?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about?
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: I think Bill Gates wife Bill Gates correct me wrong.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: But Bill Gates wife is vegan, I believe, and he
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: funded like some Netflix documentary all on how like bodybuilders
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: get huge?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Thinking about James Cameron, am I thinking about James Cameron.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: I know James Cameron's wife is vegan.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: I might be mixing them up.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: You're talking about game changers that the Vegan documentaries.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: Yea, with the huge jacked guy being like, I never
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: touched protein.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out the problem I think if you
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: looking at that from an ethical perspective and you're saying
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: factory farming is bad, I'm on your page. I'm with you,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: but that happened. But yeah, there's a clear agenda. Also
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: just not accurate.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I pirated your thing on Bill Gates though. Sorry.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: So the point was during the nineteen nineties, he was
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: there was all these trials where they had these monopolistic practices, okay,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: and they were buying up competition or destroying competition.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: There's just anybody that developed any computer.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Any anybody developed browsers that competed with you know, microdos stuff. Yeah,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: here is landmark. Nineteen nineties trials refer to United States
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: versus Microsoft Corporation, massive anti trust lawsuit filed by US
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Department of Justice and twenty states. Key elements included browser
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: war integration, the anti trust ruling, and the appellate settlement
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: and so everybody in the nineties thought of him as
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: this guy who is this like ruthless capitalist that was
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: trying to destroy all the competition. Okay, so he kind
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: of reinvented himself, gotcha. And the way he reinvented himselves is,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: first of all, he donated an enormous amount of money
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: to the media, so to NBCCBSC and all these different kinds.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: They gave him hundreds of millions of dollars just to
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: basically kind of say, guys, I'm your.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: Friend, I'm your buddy.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: And then he developed the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: and they were really concerned with global health.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's dude.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: Do you know what they did fucking in the koborab
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: Asidelta with their mosquito nets?
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: Why would you? But do you know what I'm talking
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: about at all? Do dude? I'm gonna go on a
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: fucking tirade here. Okay.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: So the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation decided that there
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: was too much malaria in Africa, right, which you and
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: I could probably agree with. Malaria is bad. So what
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: did they do? They gave all of these people living
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: in tribal villages. I'm totally pirate of your thing. I'm sorry,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go on a fucking grant here. They
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: gave all these people living in the kaborab Asadelta, which
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: is the bread basket of the Zambizi Valley, meaning like
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: where more fish are born. It's a it's a nursery
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: for fish, right, not just there, But this is a
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: good micro example. They gave millions of mosquito nets out
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: to all these people to avoid malaria. Guess what the
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: people who were starving to death did with their mosquito nets.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: They fished with them.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: Mosquito net has a hole that is so small that
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: a mosquito get through. So guess what These mosquito nets
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: now indiscriminately catch tiny baby fish in areas like Kabora
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: Basa where the fish go to breed and reproduce and populate.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: So now all of a sudden, you have thousands and
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: thousands of people that have been handed nets, that have
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: been living one way for hundreds of thousands of years.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: They don't give a shit about malaria. They have their
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: own way of dealing with malaria. They sit in smoky
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: huts at night, they sleep with a campfire. Everything else yes,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: they still get malaria, some of them, but they deal
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: with it their own way. Bill Milinda Gates Foundation come
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: in hand out millions of mosquito nets, absolutely collapse the
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: entire population of fish that feed millions of people because
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: these people just take the nets and fish all the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: baby fish out so that those fish don't grow up
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: to make substantial protein sources. So now these wonderful philanthropists
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: that have given out millions of nets have destroyed an ecosystem,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: crashed a fish population, and created widespread hunger for people
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: that otherwise had plenty of resources, all because they were
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: trying to help with mosquito nets. Oh god, it's just
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: like it's a fucking disaster, dude. They've taken such a
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: rich and important part of Africa, one of the most
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: abundant freshwater fisheries in the world, and destroyed it because
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: they're helping.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: By handing out mosquito nets. Good. Yeah, I know, sorry,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: I told you, I go on a rent.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: But it's like it's so bad what's happened over there,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: And they're still giving out mosquito nets, by the way,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: and you literally watch these guys line up take a
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: mosquito net and it never goes in their house. It
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: goes straight to catching fish that are this big for
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: them to eat.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Oh god, sorry, I remember.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: It's so bad for them too. Was like, can't you
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: just double up the net thing and just get them
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: other nets too, Like say, hey, guys, that's.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 4: What happens twen eighteen they got the new nets. Oh
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: that's I'm looking at the things.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just totally ruined, crash the ecosystem.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: It completely crashed it, and it created widespread hunger in
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: a place that had no hunger. So now you have
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: people with malaria and hunger. God, and it's like done
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: from a place of.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Good intent, or maybe it isn't. And I think that's
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: where you were going.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it is. I think it's a
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: it's a ruse. And I think what a lot of
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: it is is this thing like we are doing philanthropy. Yeah,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: but then you go, oh, but you're profiting. You're making
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars from this philanthropy, right, yeah,
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: you're buying goodwill and you're also on television promoting vaccines,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Like why are you You're a guy who didn't even
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: graduate college, Like, I don't know. I mean, I don't
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: even know if you made it out of high school.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: Like he's a weird guy. He's obviously very smart, Yeah,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: of course, but why you're not a health expert? Why
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: and you look like shit? Like why are you promoting health?
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: Like this is great global health? Just a fucking weird guy. Man,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: the weirdest thing have you ever seen that? You know,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: he was obviously friends with Jeffrey Epstein or communicated with
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: him and had some sort of relations.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that. Oh it's popular, gotcha well known.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like everybody it's connected to Epstein now, like
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of people.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: But the craziest conversation was there was a woman who
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: was asking him did he regret his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: And he's just trying to say that the only reason
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: why I talked to Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein was
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: gonna he was going to donate money to his philanthropy
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: and all the different things and he's involved in. But
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: it didn't work out. I do regret it. And and
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: and she said did you I forget what her question
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: was he but Gates says, well, he's dead now, so
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: there's that ge. There's something about it is you got
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: to be careful, like he's it's like a weird like
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: veiled threat. It's very odd the way he answers the question, yeah,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: essentially saying that I'm like.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: I'm reading it like like you got whacked. Yeah, Like
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm reading.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: Interesting, weird find that that. I was sure, Well, you
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: find out I was talking to some buddies about this,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: you know, just like standard brochat. If Epstein happened today, right,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: and you had no knowledge of the weird stuff going
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: on on the island, like you would be invited, you
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: They'd be like, hey, Joe, they.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: Did invite me, Oh really, oh yeah twenty seventeen, not
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: to specifically, yeah, but to meet Epstein.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: And I was like, what if that happened today, some
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: guy came to meet Oh sorry, well yeah, let's do it.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 6: Pored it at that time that you had a number
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 6: of meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, who when you met him
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 6: ten years ago, he was convicted of soliciting prostitution from minors.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 6: What did you know about him when you were meeting
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 6: with him? As you've said yourself, in the hopes of
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 6: raising money.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 5: Had dinners with him. I regret doing that. He had
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 5: relationships with people he said, you know, would give to
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 5: global health, which is a interest I have, you know,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: not nearly enough lanthropy goes in that direction.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: You know, those meetings were a mistake. They didn't result
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: in what he purported, and I cut them off. You know,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: that goes back along time ago. Now there's you know,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: so there's nothing new on that.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 6: It was reported that you continue to meet with him
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 6: over several years, and that, in other words, a number
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 6: of meetings. What did you do when you found out
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 6: about his background?
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've said I regretted having those dinners,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: and there's nothing absolutely nothing new on that.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 6: Is there a lesson for you for anyone else looking
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 6: looking at this?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: Well he's dead, so uh, you know, in general, you
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: always have to be careful and you know the you know,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm very proud of what we've done in philant
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: be very proud of the work of the family.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: First of all, a record scratch.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: You have billions of dollars and this guy didn't give
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: you money for years and you still he kept meeting
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: What about your money? Like, what is he going to
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: give you? How much does he get? How much does he.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Have, especially compared to Bill Gates?
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: But he also probably doesn't have a fraction of what
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: you have, right, So, like if like Elon started hit
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: me up to donate money to something like, hey, bitch, won't.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: You you got dude? Do you know how much money?
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: You have?
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: So much money? Why don't you why you ask?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: If he kept meeting with me for years, for years
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: to try to get me to donate, Like, it's kind
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: of similar, right, this is what we're talking about. He's
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: a billionaire, like hundreds of billions of dollars. None of
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: it makes any sense. The guy was providing a party
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: for rich people. That's what he was doing. He was
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: providing away with these rich people can fucking let their
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: hair down and have a good old time and do
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: coke or whatever.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: That it was really right. It was just a come
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: but the party had no rules, and that's what makes it.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing. But I had a
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: guy who tried to get me to meet him in
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: In La or where oh I was in La yeah.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: When he reached out to me, Epstein appeared to have
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: drafted himself, claiming Gates had oh yeah, yeah right. This
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: is an email that Epstein appears to have drafted to himself,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: claiming that Gates had contracted an STI from encounters with
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: Russian girls and hid antibiotics from Melinda. Gates said the
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: emails were never sent and are false. His spokesman called
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: them absolutely absurd, so absurd that someone could get an
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: std from a Russian girl. Gates has separately admitted to
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: affairs with two Russian women and with a Microsoft employee,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: but says none of them are connected to Epstein or
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: his victims.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: Some people say those emails are like a journal he
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: was keeping, Like why would you keeping himself? He was, well,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: he wrote on an iPad all the time. Apparently that's
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 4: why the typos are so bad. And he just liked email.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: You know, it's you know, I mean, imagine that's your journal.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: But why would you do that? Why would you make
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: up a story about a guy havingn STDs? I think
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: more likely because so there was a rumor and this
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: is an unsubstantiated rumor. I want to we were clear
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: that that Epstein was trying to blackmail Gates with some
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: story about a bridge player that he was having an
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: affair with Russian bridge player.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: I also think they've intentionally flooded the internet with so
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: much misinformation.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: Perhaps, but my point was if he could have drafted
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: that email which was never sent, yeah, and then sent
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: the draft to Bill Gates or showed it to him, yeah,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: and say what do you think about this? So I
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: could just if you don't, yeah, how about you shut
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: the fuck up?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: Will you give me some money? How about you? You know,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: because there was a bunch of well, there was a
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that gave him a lot of money.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: They gave a lot of money. Oh yeah, yeah. In fact,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: the guy, the Victoria's Secrets guy, gave him a house,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: gave him.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: Control of one hundred percent of his finances. So it
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: wasn't just he gave it to him, taken it or
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: you know. And he goes like, I didn't know what
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: he was doing.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: Wait, so did fund that house?
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: Did he fund the Victoria's Secret guy to start Victoria's
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: Secret No?
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no no no.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: That's how he got involved after that guy's u This
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: goes real deep so Columbus. This guy got uh he
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: was going to go to talk to the irs about
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: specifically what I don't know, nineteen eighty four, but he
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: was like the tax guy for that company. He was
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: murdered in a mob hit style.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: This is what I like this podcast. I'm just like
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: an animal nerd.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: I talk about snakes and I'm like, find out about
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: Victoria's secret astein and ships.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's what the human animal does. Yeah,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: the human animal when it's in these very controlled spaces
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: where just so let's look at it this way. So
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: imagine you're a guy who's especially if you're a nerd,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: and you know you you were never really good with
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: women when you're in high school social and then all
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you have literally one hundred billion dollars
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: and you could just get prostitutes anytime you want. And
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: I guess if you get the really high end ones,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: they know how to shut the fuck up.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: And if you have this friend of yours who was
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: in the masade, and that guy can get the best hookers,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: and he's got a fucking island, you go to the island.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: It's the best. We fly. We talk about philanthropy, we Fuck. Yeah,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: it makes sense.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I'm saying for It's like, you're
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: just like it's just a party for a bunch of
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: dorks who can come here with a lot of money.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: But there's also some weird science connection with him, and
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: that's work.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: It gets really odd is that he.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: Got that ranch in New Mexico so he could be
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: close to the guys that were working at Los Alamos,
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: who were famously not making much money. So he's around
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: these guys and he's talking about going into business with
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: them and giving them this chance to make an insane
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: amount of money. And this is what he did with
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: Eric Weinstein. With Eric Weinstein, he contacted him and they
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: had a meeting and he was trying to get Eric
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Weinstein to do something with him. And if Eric did it,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: he had the potential to make an enormous amount of money.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: And Eric is very wise, and he just didn't buy
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: him from the start. He's like, the guy's are construct Yeah,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: everything about him. He's like he doesn't know anything about finance.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: Like he was talking to him, He's like, this guy's
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: a construct is not this is not a real finance guy.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: He's like, there's something going.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: On, Wait, what was the science they were working on?
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: A bunch of different physicists were connected to him Einstein.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: Epstein reportedly hoped to develop super race of.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: Humans with his deal. Wow, wow, what is that from what?
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: That's the New York got.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: Afferent one of the articles.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: New York Times. That is crazy. But he had a
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: bunch of relationships with some very impressive scientists and physicists
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: and also oddly connected to the whole UAP world. The
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: whole Los Animals Thing's weird because the thing is that
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: he by buying that ranch in New Mexico, put him
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: close to Los Animals, which was in New Mexico, and
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: he then he had access to all these scientists that
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: were famously underpaid, Right, so these guys were not making
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: much money, and he was this incredibly wealthy guy through
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: no way that anybody could ever rationally brain.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all weird.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: And you know, and who knows what he was trying
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: to get them to do.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: He was probably just one of those guys.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, you never ended up meeting him, but he
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: was probably just incredibly likable as a con man, do
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? You probably sat in a
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: room with him and you're like, Wow, this guy's really great,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: Like maybe I should give him some money, maybe I should,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: like what a cool guy, And he's just a dirt
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: bag under the you know, under the veil.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: We're just speculating. But maybe maybe also if you have
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: a bunch of really hot Russian chicks that are hanging
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: out with you, and that'll do it. You don't need
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: to be that charming.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: That's so true, so true.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: You're a billionaire with a bunch of hot Russian chicks.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: And then there's a bunch of people that are willing
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: to hang out with billionaires just because I've seen it
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: where people just get enamored by the fact that someone's
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: insanely wealthy and they want to go to the party
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: at their house, Like, who.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: But all those people doing work like crazy? You, I mean,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: they're not fun. I mean I don't know, I don't
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: know that many. Well he was, that's true. That guy
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: partied hard. Yeah, good point, good point.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To be a billionaire too, I mean, in most cases,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: what you have to do is be insanely driven. Yeah,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: you have to be that guy that works eighteen twenty
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: hours a day.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, and give up all the other things.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to give up all your time and
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: that becomes your whole life. Yeah, and but I think
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: that's also why they wanted a guy like that that
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: could provide them. This is why win Eric Weinstein described it.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: He said he provided them with experiences. I believe, Yeah,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: that was his and I think he's right. I think
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, my one and only billionaire friend is
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: that a not in Bonnie, that Indian guy I was mentioning.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's so cool that he's built this gigantic
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: wildlife rescue.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: That is pretty dope because he's a great thing to
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: do with money. He's just like he's a nerd like me.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: And if he hears this, he's gonna be like, thanks
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: a lot, but like he's just an animal nerd, do
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's gonna be like he
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: just like he just loves animals and conservation and he's like,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: I have generational wealth that might you know, it came
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: from his family. His family's like fifth or sixth generation
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: of having huge industry and he's like, okay, so with
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: my excess money, I'm going to rescue animals instead of
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: do other you know, it's very cool.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's amazing.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's look, there's nothing wrong with space
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: race stuff too. It's all fascinating, but it's just it's
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: and I get it from a perspective of people who
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: think there's not enough money in the world, and then
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: a why of these people have so much money and
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: they should give all their money away? And it's like, okay,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: but you could do that all the way down to
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars a year if you really
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: wanted to do it, especially when you compare yourself to
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: everyone else in the world.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. You know, we're in the just
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: living in this country alone, we're in the one percent, Righteah,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: most people.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: I think one percent of the world. We look this up,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: it's like fifty sixty thousand dollars. If you make more
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: than that, you're in the one percent of.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: Earth, right, And that's the majority of people in the
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: United States.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. So like, yeah, you're barely getting buy
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: in America and you're in the one percent of.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: The world exactly.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is wild.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: It's wild, that's really, it really is.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, We're we're the weirdest animal. Just study us.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: I should today, I'll tell you what.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're not fun like you. You study us
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: and you go, oh god, what are they fucking doing?
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: Whereas you study animals, you're like, oh, fucking cool.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: They're way cooler.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: They're way more interesting, more teeth, more claws, more slithering.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also just the fact that there's so much
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: variety and that they are real, and that they are
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: then some of them are so strange. How about that
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: new monkey that they just found, the congo.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: With the lipstick crazy orange his orange mouth.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like you just say, like one of
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: them freeze pops.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like your kid after Yeah, a hundred, dude.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: It's so cool and new primate species coming out still, like, No,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: I love that. I think it's so great.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: Do you believe in the bondo ape? Do you think
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: that thing is?
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: And no, Like, there's probably likely a group of chimpanzees.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean that that just are
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: more aggressive, that are a social construct and are larger
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: and are larger. But it doesn't mean that it's like this,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: you know, because they have the whole thing about them
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: being lion killing apes and all this other stuff. There's
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: probably a family, troop, a group and you know they're
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: in war. Now have you read about this? Yeah, so
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: I think that's the bondo ape is real in the
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: sense of there is a probably an isolated, larger group
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: of chimps that just act like chimps.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: The thing about this chimp those they said that their
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: skulls are different.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the cranial ridge. Yeah yeah, yeah, makes sense. Things
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: with stronger jaw muscles have a cranial ridge. You know,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: you see it in hyenas, you see it and things
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: like that. Gorillas, yeah, gorillas, Yeah, exactly, it's just more
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: more surface era for the muscle to attach to.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: Basically, it's just like that would be so fascinating to
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: find those things.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: And that's what you know that Karl armand got spent
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: his whole life hunting reading rumors.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: But at least he got some photos, unlike that poor
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: fucker that was looking for the sloth.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, still still trying.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he got some camera trap photos of them. Yeah,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: and you know.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: No, and they were bipedal in the photos, right, and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: ye a lot of them, which chimps are you know,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: they'll walk on hind legs and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: It is pretty cool.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: And then there's a photo of the one that they
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: killed that was at the airport. Do you know you
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: ever see that one?
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's crazy at the airport.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a small airport and they killed this one
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: enormous chimpanzee. So there's the two guys that are standing
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: with it. It's hard to tell how big the guys are,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: but normal size human beings. That's the biggest fucking chimpanzee
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life. Look at that thing.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: They're amazing. Look at that.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is You could tell by perspective
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: that the guy's he's got his hand on it, so
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: he's right behind it. Yeah, it's and his arm is
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: not extended, so it's not fake. And that chimpanzee looks
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: way bigger than him.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: Way bigger. Yeah, it's amazing.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: So they think that is one of them.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I said, I think it's real in
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: the sense. Oh yeah, this this famous photo.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: See, but that one just to me looks like a chimpanzee.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: That just looks like a big chimp. Where the one
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: that's sitting down that looks way bigger than those guys
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: at the size of its head is fucking enormous.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: Do you know that there's one river where I'm trying
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: to remember exactly how this works, but basically there's one
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: area where the rivers collide, where the chimps and the
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: gorillas go into conflict with each other over this one
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: river spot. Do you know what I'm talking about? Have
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: you ever heard about this? Yeah, it's really interesting. So
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the Congo there's this particular river and I
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: think it's called the Cross River, can't remember now, And
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: it's an area that the chimps will come on one
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: side and the gorillas will come down on the other
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: and they will have they'll like throw stuff at each
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: other across the river, and like it's like a whole
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: thing that it's been documented, and these guys will there's
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 3: sort of these like two clans of great apes that
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: come and communicate across the river and throw rocks and
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: like show off to each other and then they kind
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: of go back into the jungle. But it's been seen
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: in this one particular river several times.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, it's like the real planet of the end.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: What is a chimp wars? What are they?
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 5: Are?
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  Speaker 2: They fighting over food?
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  Speaker 1: Territory unless I'm mistaken.
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  Speaker 3: It's relatively unknown, but it's it's sort of a social constructs.
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  Speaker 3: So if you think of humans, for example, once our
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  Speaker 3: population gets too large and we have too many men
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  Speaker 3: and not enough women, we fight, right, We've seen that
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  Speaker 3: throughout history, Roman times, Mongolian times, you name it. So
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  Speaker 3: there is one troop of chimps that all live together
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  Speaker 3: in relative harmony, and then two leaders basically sprung up,
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  Speaker 3: and there was a lack of enough females, and so
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, this clan divided into two clans,
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  Speaker 3: and now they're at constant war with each other. Like
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  Speaker 3: they live in the same relative territory, but they'll come
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  Speaker 3: into contact with each other and go to war over
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  Speaker 3: who's going to be the leader of the alpha troop
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  Speaker 3: the mega troop, and it's been going for maybe a
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  Speaker 3: year or two years now. Fuck yeah, but how human
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  Speaker 3: is that?
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  Speaker 1: So human? Like to be like, okay, we're all part
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  Speaker 1: of this group.
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  Speaker 3: Like you and I don't like each other, now, like
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  Speaker 3: this is my side, that's your side, We're gonna fuck
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  Speaker 3: each other up.
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  Speaker 2: Study highlights friends with benefits relationship between gorillas and chimps.
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  Speaker 2: What they're fucking each other.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's the younger ones hanging out. It says, it's
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  Speaker 4: I've probably in the same area they're meeting. Pictures of
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  Speaker 4: them in the same tree. Yeah, I think this is
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  Speaker 4: that River wants out of these trees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but friends with benefits general.
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  Speaker 4: Benefits are Yeah, yeah, I was looking forward. That got
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  Speaker 4: to what you're getting at.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't really.
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  Speaker 2: Say that with like you're like, why do you why
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  Speaker 2: do you go to dinner with Bob?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're friends with benefit. Oh you're fucking Bob. Why
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  Speaker 1: did you start fucking Bob Man? No, No, we just
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  Speaker 1: like figs, both of us.
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  Speaker 4: The chimpionzees though they caught them beating their chests, which
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  Speaker 4: is only something grillas.
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  Speaker 2: Every Yeah, they're they're imitating, mimicking each other. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you've seen that one documentary. I think it's called
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  Speaker 2: Relentless Enemies, where there's a particular pride of lions that
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  Speaker 2: grew enormous because they're only eating water buffaloes. They got
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  Speaker 2: trapped on an island because the river change paths.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I I remember what you're talking about. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know the documentary, but yeah, they're eating cape buffalo exclusively. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and the lions are just getting bigger and beefier and
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  Speaker 3: they're all fat and like, yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they have to get bigger. The females are doing
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  Speaker 2: all the killing. Yeah, so they're as big as male
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  Speaker 2: lions in other places.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're jacked and they don't have a trouble yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because otherwise they're gonna DIEI trying to hunt the k buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but so we're watching natural selection in real time
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  Speaker 2: because they just keep getting bigger and stronger. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: you know they're like these fucking buffalo are enormous.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 2: They're jumping on these things and hanging on them and
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  Speaker 2: trying to drag them down to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: The black Death, that's what they call the cape buffalo. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Those motherfuckers are so scary.
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  Speaker 1: So mean, so scary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they'll charge so unprovoked, like they'll just turn
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  Speaker 3: and come anytime. But it's, uh, it's crazy how you
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  Speaker 3: have that basically insular dwarfism and insular gigantism throughout animals.
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  Speaker 3: No matter like animals stuck on an island, they're either
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  Speaker 3: going to get bigger, they're going to get small.
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  Speaker 2: Well, lizards usually get big on an island, right.
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  Speaker 1: Or tortoises, right, like the Galapagos or the Seychells. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: why why do they get bigger? No predators, unlimited resources.
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  Speaker 4: Mm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So all of a sudden, you know, you're a
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  Speaker 3: little tortoise. It's this big, and every time you get
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 3: to this big, something spots you from the air and
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  Speaker 3: eats you or whatever it happens to be. But now
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  Speaker 3: you're stuck on an island with all the grass and
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  Speaker 3: fruit you could ever eat, and nobody wants to eat you,
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  Speaker 3: so you just get bigger and bigger to outcompletely face.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at those guys.
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  Speaker 2: I just imagine that's the only thing you can eat
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  Speaker 2: is something three times bigger than you, and they can
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  Speaker 2: fucking kill you.
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  Speaker 1: That kills a lot of lions, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well kick you in the face when you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to take them out, and then that's it. Your
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  Speaker 2: jaws broken and you never eat again and you starve
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  Speaker 2: to death slowly.
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  Speaker 1: I love the little cub there covered in blood. Look
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  Speaker 1: at that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really cool documentary. Yeah, it seems so weird
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: when you're looking at the size of the females. They
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  Speaker 2: just look exaggerated. To the point where they look fake.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: They look like hulk lions.
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  Speaker 1: It's awesome, It's very cool, very very cool.
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  Speaker 2: Nature is such a wild thing, man, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: such an amazing, fascinating, endless resource of just little shit
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  Speaker 2: to see.
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  Speaker 3: And our understanding of it changes all the time. Every
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  Speaker 3: animal theory we've ever had evolves and changes as we
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  Speaker 3: learn more, which is what makes it so fun because
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  Speaker 3: it's so dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a static thing.
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  Speaker 2: What's just crazy that we keep finding new things like
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  Speaker 2: the new primate. Well you find that little new monkey
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  Speaker 2: that they found with.
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  Speaker 1: The orange lips. He's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the congo. Well, in the congo is another place.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what, yeah, I've seen sure, you've seen that
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  Speaker 2: BBC documentary on the congo from it was like the
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  Speaker 2: early two thousands. But look at them, well, weird looking guy,
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  Speaker 2: so cool, so strange.
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  Speaker 3: There's a few lost primates out there too, like species
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  Speaker 3: that we've seen once or twice that have never been
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  Speaker 3: seen since that.
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  Speaker 2: Like what.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Waldron's red colabus is one that comes to mind.
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  Speaker 2: So it's called Miss Waldrons.
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  Speaker 3: Just Waldron's red colubus, but it's a calabus monkey that
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  Speaker 3: there's like three or four museum specimens and no live specimens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, uh huh, there's a few of those. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh miss Waldron's yeah, I read colabus.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it called miss Waldron? I don't know who's
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: that lady?
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  Speaker 1: Good question.
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  Speaker 2: What do you have to do with this monkey? Lady?
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  Speaker 1: After West Africa? Previously described as subspecies not been cited since.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I saw it for a second.
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  Speaker 2: And what's crazy is a lot of these animals, especially
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: primates and essentially anything that lives in the Congo, is
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: in a place that's so scary and so dangerous to visit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a lot of research being done.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's always what I tell people when they're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, find these animals.
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  Speaker 1: Find that animals. Nobody's looking. It's too hard.
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  Speaker 3: The local people know they're there, Like these lost species
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  Speaker 3: are species that the people that hunt and eat them
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  Speaker 3: know they're there, but they have no communication to the
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  Speaker 3: outside of the scientific world. And you know, for you
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  Speaker 3: or I to go into that part of the Congo
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  Speaker 3: is probably a death sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but there's a lot of cool stuff out there.
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  Speaker 2: Are there any other animals that might be that people
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  Speaker 2: think they've seen.
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  Speaker 3: As far as like cryptids, they should still be real
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: weird ones, oh man, like the giant sloth or something
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  Speaker 3: like that. I mean, there's that whole like the dinosaur
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  Speaker 3: and the congo thing that people always talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It's silly, it's not real.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I I kin'dt think of any I I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like went looking for that one. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I actually that's one of your pods that I watched,
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing and he was talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: David's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't think of any but you know, it's
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: it's those rumors, like there's a sloth, we've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: There's an Asian unicorn, we've seen it. That if people
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: don't follow, you never know. It's like you can you
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  Speaker 3: can absolutely be the tinfoil hat guy like I can
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: be with the Thylocene. But if you give up and
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: don't look, you know, we never really know.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's gonna be, it will probably be in
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: a place like the Amazon or like the Congo, so
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: enormous place like the isn't the Congo as wide as
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: a contiguous North America the country or the river? I
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: think the country country of the Congo, the Congo. The
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: jungle of the Congo, I think is almost as big
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  Speaker 2: as America.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know is that large? Africa's fucking it's huge.
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  Speaker 3: If you see because the United States imposed on Africa,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh my god, the continent of Africa is enormous.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what's squirrely about maps, right, especially like when
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: you look at the globe, like everything's so distorted. Yeah,
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: which I don't understand why they do that. No, I've
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: never had that explained to me in a way that like,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: oh I get it.
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  Speaker 3: Or timelines. Have you ever looked at how like time
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: lines are drawn on the globe.
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  Speaker 1: Like like you know, like the right.
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  Speaker 3: Jigsaw puzzles and you're like, why is that island in
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  Speaker 3: this time zone?
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  Speaker 2: That's three slots over? Like no, yeah, but like see
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: if you can find the size of the Congo, Like
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: if you see the size of the Congo versus I
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: think it's almost as big as the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Realize that it's the same.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there there are the there's so many of these
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 3: incredible remotes.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: It's thousands of miles wide. Okay, So if you took
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: that and you shoved it, why is it why isn't
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  Speaker 2: put it over it, right, the bottom one. There is
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: a better one, bottom one. That one's better. So not
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  Speaker 2: quite yeah, but it's still enormous. Yeah, it's like thirty
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  Speaker 2: five percent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's more political unrest there now, which means
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: stuff shuts down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy. That's an enormous piece of one.
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  Speaker 2: Look how big that is. You get all of India,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: all of Eastern Europe, the United States, China, fucking crazy, France, Spain,
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  Speaker 2: look at that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big place.
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  Speaker 2: And the cradle of civilization, yep, the cradle of humanity
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: every then, also Egypt, that's that's also part of Africa.
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  Speaker 3: You know about the eclipse coming up there? What biggest
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  Speaker 3: one in history twenty twenty seven. Yeah, So in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven, I want to say April there'll be a
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  Speaker 3: six minute total blackout in Egypt, will be the longest
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  Speaker 3: one in one hundred and something or maybe eighty something
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  Speaker 3: years over the Red Sea in Egypt.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's when you want to go see the pyramids.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine when the Aliens is gonna return?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine being at the Pyramids and seeing a
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: six minute long, six minute, twenty two second that's what
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 3: it's gonna look like. And it's in a place that
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  Speaker 3: never has fucking clouds, so you're gonna see it. I
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: mean they do, but not that time of year. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: total solar eclipse for six and a half minutes.
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  Speaker 1: So we had one here. Yeah, yeah, two.
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  Speaker 2: Years ago, two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Jam, Yeah, it was really cool. How long did that
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: last year? I wasn't not that long, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like a couple yeah, a couple of minutes. What was
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  Speaker 2: really cool about it, though, was that all the animals
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  Speaker 2: got oddly silent before it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was really weird, like they know something.
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  Speaker 2: So we were outside waiting for it, and as the
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  Speaker 2: you know, as the eclipse starts taking place.
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  Speaker 1: Everything like, yeah, it was really wild, so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And then while it's happening, you're like whoa, and you
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: imagine like imagine living like thousands of years ago before
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: anybody understood what the fuck was going on and thinking
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: like some wild, magical moment had happened and we entered
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: into a new timeline or something.
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  Speaker 1: You have all crazy theories.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like, grab somebody, we got to sacrifice them right away.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: Something's going over there. You get them to the period,
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: cut their heart out, yeah, straight away.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: It's also it's like so weird that the sun and
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: the Moon are the exact right distance that when they cross,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: the Moon just completely outlines where the i mean just
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: fills in everything but the light around the outside the edges.
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  Speaker 2: Like how is it perfectly sized like that?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, No, it's just.
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  Speaker 2: It's an incredible coincidence that it's the right distance and
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: the right size because obviously the moon is so much
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: smaller than the Sun, but perfectly distance the scale so
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: that when the Sun and the Moon is there, it's
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: like boom, it's like the right size, not like half
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, you know, it's perfect, Yeah, perfect, It
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: just sits right in there.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an oreo in the cream. It's amazing.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: The really screwball theories or that the moon is fake,
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: they never heard that way.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the panda, the panda fake. There's nothing on the
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: moon being fake.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: The moon is fake. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: They think that the moon is artificial and then it
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: was like put here by aliens and it's hollow.
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  Speaker 1: You're kidding.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, that's a good one, and that it was
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: put here in order to sustain life on Earth, to
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: give us a stable orbit.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it does do that.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: It does do that. Yeah, yeah, because imagine like how
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: fragile life is. Like we're really concerned about climate change.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: My god, just the climate changes. Well, guess what if
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: the fucking moon wasn't there, you'd be doomed nothing. There's
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: no way you need a big moon.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: Too, controls all of our oceans and the.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: Quarterer of the size of the Earth. It's a weird moon, Like,
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's another moon on in our entire
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: source system that's comparable in terms of like the size
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: and the relationship to the other planet planet. I think
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: it's way bigger than every other moon on. Let's find
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: that out, because I think that's pretty sure formulates the
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory it was brought in. Oh interesting, there's also
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: we did something, some sort of experiment. We shot something
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: at the moon and it rang like a bell for
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: a long time, which.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: Is really weird.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: W Like, it echoed like way longer than we thought.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: Of course, could just be they didn't know what it
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: would do because I've never done it before, right, and
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: they don't know, Like the fifth largest Moon in the
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: Solar System with a diameter of the width of the
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: contiguous United States. Well, it's dwarfed by Jupiter and Saturn's
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: largest moons. It's uniquely massive compared to its parent planet. Yeah,
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: that's what it is, making the Earth Moon system more
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: like a double planet. Yeah, so in relationship to the planet. Like,
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: it's so Jupiter and Saturn have huge moons, but Jupiter
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: obviously is fucking way bigger than us.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can look at the size of Jupiter in
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: comparison to the size of Earth.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the scale of the Moon to this too. Interesting.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: That is a wild conspiracy theory. Imagine just being the guys, like,
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: you know what, why don't we shoot at the Moon.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 3: Let's give that a whirl, see what happens.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did something, I think, I don't know what
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: they shot it with. I think they sent a rocket
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: to the Moon and just to measure the sound they
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: see what would happen. And it was odd. They found
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: it odd the way it rang. It rang like a bell.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's like they've never done that before. Like, Also,
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: who knows what the fucking center of the Moon's made
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: out of?
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: Who knows where you hit it.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's weird. You got some caves in there.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: It's hollow.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: Apollo experiments and the ringing effect. The phrase moon rang
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: like a bell comes from Apollo twelve. In nineteen sixty
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: nine November, NASA deliberately crashed the Lunar modules Ascent stage
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: onto the moon. Size siismometers recorded a long lasting vibrations
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: for nearly an hour. This description is a metaphor for
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: how dry, cold lunar rock reverberates with that water to
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: damp and the shop. Yeah, but retards and dorks.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: So it's hollow. It's made by aliens.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: And there's also people that think that, you know, there's
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: stuff there, like there's.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: A monoling the cities on the moon and all that. Yeah,
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: on the other side that we can't see. Yeah, man
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: bases redd, it's a wild place. Huh.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: This is not even Reddit. This is like you got
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: to go to like weird message boards. Crazy people go
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: it's deep.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: Crazy, Yeah, people that.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: Are what's that hollow moon? The hollow moon crossly related
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: to spaceship moon. Ah, that's the one. Our pseudo scientific
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: hypothesis that proposed the Earth's moon is either holy hollow
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: or otherwise contains a substantial interior space. No scientific evidence
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: exists to support the idea. Let's go to go to
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: spaceship moon because that seems even more interesting spaceship Moon.
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 2: Come on, baby, all these pseudo scientific the moon spaceship
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: includes historical Oh no, no.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 4: No, I didn't notice what that means.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: Spaceship moon theory. Try that theory a pseudo scientific hypothesis
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: proposing that Earth's moon is an artificial, hollowed out satellite
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: constructed by an alien civilization.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: See it's like the Death Star.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: There you go, bro, Well you need to get into
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: Like space is fake, that's even better is popular popularized
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy by two Soviet scientists, Mikhail Vassine and
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: Alexander Or.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: How about that works?
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: Yep, shirk shirk, but sir called shirk Kerbakov, who suggested
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: the moon was reinforced by an armored titanium hull to
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 2: survive impacts.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: Oh man, people need more to do. No, they don't
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: you like that?
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: I love I love the kookie the better.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 2: Like hashtag space is fake is one of my favorite
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: things to look up because there's a whole community of
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: people out there that think space is fake. But I
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: also think that a lot of these people. What you're
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: getting is there's been some there's been some people who
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: develop fake theories in order to see if people bite
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: and then and then they put them out there, like
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 2: on Reddit or somewhere on four Chan. Four Chan is
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: a great place and stuff like that, because you've got
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of schizophrenics that like to visit those places
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 2: and then they'll put it out there and see if
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 2: people run with it, and then they'll do it to
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: see if just for fun.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 3: And he gives you a community, right, It's like, oh, yeah,
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 3: I have this group of flat earthers that I hang
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 3: out with on Saturdays and we talk about how the
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 3: Earth's not round, you know what I mean. It's like
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 3: I've I made my own lunatic community.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot hunters, same thing. There you go, unable, Yeah, the
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: unfluggible white guys looking for cryptids something to do. Are
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: there any other cryptids that are even remotely interesting.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: To me? Not really?
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 3: I mean I always enjoy the fun of it, like
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 3: when we chat about it, but as far as like
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 3: the reality of it, I don't think so, you know,
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 3: I know, it's a boring answer.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: But I think that well you would know. I mean,
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking you.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: Your guy actually goes to these places, I mean goes
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: looking for stuff.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 3: I love when you hear about something like a borrowing
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 3: snake and everybody's like, that's not real, it doesn't exist,
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 3: and then turns out somebody finds this weird snake and
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 3: it's not really a encryptid, but it's something that nobody's
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 3: been looking for, because why would you write, nobody's digging
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: in the earth in the center of the congo to
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 3: find a mud snake, you know, or whatever it happens
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 3: to be. And I think those are the things that
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: they end up being cryptied in small communities, you know,
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: like you hear from the village about the snake. I'm
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 3: making the snake up, but about the snake that lives
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 3: under the mud and only bites when people dig their crops,
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 3: or whatever it happens to be, and it creates this
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 3: generational legend that becomes a cryptid. But the truth is,
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: there is a snake that lives under the crops in
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 3: the mud. It's just nobody ever goes looking for it,
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 3: because why would you, Well, there is a.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: Weird arrogance that we have and only twenty six because
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: we have uncovered so much in comparison to people that
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: live two or three hundred years ago. So we have
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: this maybe arrogant assumption that we have an accurate audit
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 2: of all the animals on the planet.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 3: And it's such a human thing to do is to
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 3: be like, we've quantified it all, we have the answers. Yeah,
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like we put a finite on something.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 3: And then you have all these guys, like especially in
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: the scientific community, which is that's a whole story for himself.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 3: But they're now like, Okay, I need funding, so I'm
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 3: going to speciate a bunch of stuff. So I'm gonna
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 3: go look at four things that are exactly the same,
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 3: except one lives on one side of the creek and
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 3: one lives on the other. And now I'm gonna make
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 3: it its own species because that'll fund more work for me.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: So now you have this speciation race.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no gatekeeping on that where someone goes, hey.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are certain criteria that you have to meet,
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 3: but they're pretty easy to meet, do you know what
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: I mean? You have to say it looks different it
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 3: has some kind of genetic anomaly, it has some kind
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 3: of physical anomaly, there's a population of it. Okay, now
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 3: I've named my own species and that makes noise, and
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 3: I can publish a paper and now my research is funded,
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: and it's just like, it's not, you know, is it
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 3: a species? Did we need this one frog to be
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 3: split into four different groups because they live on you know,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 3: four different patches of the mountain. Not really, you know,
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 3: And it sort of lessens the conservation for that frog
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: in general, because now all of a sudden, it's like, well,
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 3: there's four different kinds of them, so who cares if
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 3: one of them gets extinct?
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 3: So it's sort of like it's a weird thing that's
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: going on in the sciences where there's this race to
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 3: do speciation and pull apart everything into more and more
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 3: and more, and then it sort of lessens the value
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: of them in my opinion.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: So there's this reward thing that happens that encourages people
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: to do these things.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm writing a whole book on this right now.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: It's coming out next year.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: Because it's just the scientific system in wildlife and conservation
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 3: is so broken because it's very First of all, the
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: first of all, if you're an animal guy, you're probably
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 3: not a great people person to begin with, right, myself included,
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 3: you're not a bad people person, thanks. But for the
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 3: most part, the people that get into the sciences probably
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 3: are don't have the best Yeah, they're awkward, they don't
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: have the best human social skills. Right, So then those
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: people become professors and heads of parties and academics and
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: all these things. And again i'm generalizing. There are great
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 3: people that I work with too, but just as just
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 3: a picture of the system. So now you have all
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 3: these socially awkward, somewhat introverted people studying animals. Now there's
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 3: this tiny little resource pool of money, and everybody that's
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 3: socially awkward, that's already somewhat arrogant because they've made it
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: to the top of their field or close to the
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 3: top of their field, is competing for this tiny little
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 3: pool of money. So now they're putting out anything that's
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 3: headline worthy, and a headline worthy could be as simple
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 3: as speciating a frog on a mountain, or it could
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 3: be discovering something. But basically you have to just publish
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 3: something to show that you are accomplishing something to pull
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 3: from that tiny little pool of money. So now a
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 3: system like say you mean and Jamie here should all
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 3: be working towards saving this guy right here, this metal
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 3: metal chimpanzee. Well we're not. We're all fighting because there's
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: this tiny little pool of money that we all want,
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 3: and we're all saying that each other are wrong because
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 3: we need to prove that we're right so that we're
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 3: funded because you two, because all three of us can't
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 3: be funded to save that species.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 3: So now we're all fighting each other to save the
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 3: thing that we all care about because the resource.
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: Pool is so So what's the solution to that?
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 3: Well, it needs to become more mainstream. And I think
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of bullshit science, you know, to be
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 3: honest with you, like, there's a lot of this speciation
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 3: and publishing and all this stuff that's just sort of
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 3: making noise that isn't really helping. And I think the
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 3: solution is well one once it becomes more mainstream. Here's
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 3: here's the short answer. Conservation is incredibly easy to measure.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: We try and make it very difficult and complicated. Are
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 3: there animals now after your work, are there more? Have
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 3: you fixed the problem? That's all conservation is, right, Are
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 3: are there more or less than when you started? If
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 3: when you started there a less and now there are more.
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 3: And this is very black and white, and every system's different.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 3: But if you had a thousand frogs and then you
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 3: worked on the project, now you have two thousand frogs,
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 3: you're doing conservation right, as long as the ecosystem supports,
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 3: as long as the.
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 1: Prey is there.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah. That's all conservation is. We
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 3: try and make it so complicated and so in depth
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 3: and require all these papers and this publishing and this
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 3: information that is sort of an information overload that the
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 3: common person doesn't care about it. I mean, when's the
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 3: last time you read a paper on frogs? Probably never right,
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 3: me neither because they're boring, because I don't want to
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 3: care about it. But I would care if you just
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 3: came out and said, look, these frogs need a home.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 3: We're gonna fight kittrid fungus, which is this big widespread
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 3: fungus that's killing all amphibians by building frog hotels. And
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 3: if we build which are these little brick hotel things
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 3: that frogs go into incubate to kill a fungus, and
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 3: if we build enough frog hotels then and there's going
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 3: to be more frugs. That's good conservation. So instead of
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 3: fighting over that, make that popular in mainstream. Don't make
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 3: it so complicated so that nobody understands. I'm not saying
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 3: don't publish papers and things. Those still very much so
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 3: have their place and they're important. But focus on the
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 3: messaging to the common person. So the common person now cares,
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 3: then there becomes more funding and resources. Then we don't
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 3: all have to fight over this tiny little pool of
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 3: resources to publish things that aren't actually accomplishing things.
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: Well, this is actually the value of getting into a
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 2: crocodile cage, that's right, because you get people actually so
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 2: interested in animals.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 1: And that's why I do YouTube.
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 3: That's why I do all these things, is that I
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 3: hope that it helps people care. I don't need to
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 3: get funded by it. Like it's great when my YouTube
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 3: does well and I make money, but like, I just
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 3: want people to care about these things, because if you
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 3: care about them, then that resource pool widens.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's you got to make things interesting to people, right,
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: And This is where like David Attenborough was so amazing
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 2: because absolutely right, because he developed these documentaries and so
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: the voice that he had was explaining these things mind making.
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: He was the first guy to document Chimpanze's eating monkeys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 3: Incredible. That was incredible, coldest stuff. He's the goat, literally.
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: But you kind of that's another thing about being a
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 2: wildlife biologist. You kind of have to get your hands dirty.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 1: You have to.
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 2: You got to get in there.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 3: And the other part of the system that's so broken
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 3: is a lot of these world leading experts have never
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 3: touched seen anything with a living one of these animals.
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 3: I worked with a person and I don't want to
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 3: say her name, because she's a lovely person who's a
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 3: world leading expert on a certain type of shark. And
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 3: we're like, great, you're the world's leading authority. You're perfect
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 3: to come with us on this trip to study these sharks.
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 3: We fly to the opposite side of the planet, and
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 3: I want to give too many details, it's not fair
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 3: to her. She's a very next person. We fly to
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 3: the opposite side of the planet. She's published fifty papers
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 3: on this species of shark, and we get there and
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, day one, let's gear up, let's
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 3: hop in the water and look for this thing.
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I don't know how to swim. Like
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 1: what do you mean.
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 3: She's like, ah, I've never been in the ocean before. Like,
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 3: you're the world's leading authority on this type of shark.
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 3: And she's like, yeah, yeah, I don't dive, I don't snorkel,
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to swim. I'm like, well, how
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 3: are you the world's leading authority on the shark. She's like, well,
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 3: I've never seen one alive. I've dissected them, I've published
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 3: all these papers. I can tell you about the tooth count,
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 3: but I've actually never seen one alive. Like, you're the
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 3: world's leading authority and you've never seen one of these
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 3: animals alive to study it. The guy who fishes and
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 3: eats it in the village next door is more of
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 3: an authority than this person, do.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But that's the scientific process.
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 3: The world's leading authority because they've published the most papers
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 3: on something that sits in a pickle jar?
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 2: Do you think that that is an absolute requirement though? Like,
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 2: do you have to have some sort of physical contact
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 2: with the world that they live in.
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 1: I think you have to have observational knowledge.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: You don't have to have physical contact, Like you shouldn't
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 3: have physical contact with wild chimpanzees, they'll rip your arms, right.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 2: But I mean the world they live in. I do.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: I think it should be a requirement.
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 3: I think if you're going to be considered an authority
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 3: on that thing, you have to have observational data as
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 3: well as scientific data. You can't just live in a
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 3: world where you're like, I've studied them in pickle jars
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 3: and I can tell you everything about them.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 2: To me, that was like one of the most fascinating
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 2: aspects of chimp nation. You know that these scientists had
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 2: been embedded with these particular chimpanzees for more than twenty years.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 1: That's science. Yeah, that is science. That means you are
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 1: sitting there.
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 3: And that's why the best scientists are the guys that
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 3: hunt and fish and spend their life surrounded by these
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 3: animals that will never once be credited as a scientist
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 3: because all they do is study the behavior of the animal.
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm with you, like that is that's the real deal.
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 3: Twenty years watching a troop of chimps, learning their behavior,
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 3: understanding their social dynamic. I'm not saying you shouldn't also
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 3: cut one open and measure its canines. You should when
• 2:48:47
  Speaker 3: you get a dead one, but that doesn't make you
• 2:48:50
  Speaker 3: an authority on it in my opinion.
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that was the thing about that particular documentary, in
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 2: those particular scientists, was so unusual that they had this
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 2: long history where these chimpanzees had lived and died and
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 2: raised new chimps around these people, and as long as
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: they follow this protocol, stay within you know, twenty yards
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 2: at least twenty yards away from them, never have food
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 2: around them, don't look them in the eyes. You're good, yep.
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 2: And you got insane footage because of that.
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's a mutual respect, Like they've learned to
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 3: appreciate each other.
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 1: And you can't do that with every animal.
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't matter how many years you spend sitting
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 3: watching a crocodile, it will still eat you at the
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 3: first checks I gets. But you've earned a mutual respect
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 3: with a highly intelligent creature. That to me, as a
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 3: field biologist, is science. That's incredible.
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 2: If not a respect, at the very least you've become
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  Speaker 2: a part of their world to the point where they
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  Speaker 2: don't think of you as being an anomaly. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: So they are normal yep, where they're they're not. They're
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  Speaker 2: not weirded out. Like if you just show up out
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and you wear in a space suit, the monkey's.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna go exactly exact this new thing.
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  Speaker 2: But if there's always people with spacesuits around, they never
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 2: bother them. They go, oh, it's just the spacesuit guy. Normal,
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  Speaker 2: it's just gonna eat my bananas like normal.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same as seeing you know, and im Paula
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 3: and a Wildeby's hang out together at a watering hole.
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  Speaker 3: They're used to each other. They know they're not threats
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  Speaker 3: to each other. But you or I walk up and
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 3: both of their ears perk up and they sprint in
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  Speaker 3: different directions. Yeah, you can have that time put in
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 3: to make things calm.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, has there ever been anything other than
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 2: chimp Nation where they did that that effectively.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Grizzly Man sure.
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  Speaker 2: Tried didn't end well or did it? Yeah, it probably
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  Speaker 2: ended the way he wanted it to.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, there's no way he could have wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: out any other way.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think that was suicide by bear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also think it was Werner Herzog's attempt at comedy.
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  Speaker 1: You think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about the way he edited it where
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's fucking with us.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's one time where he's talking about the sheriff
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 2: and they asked the sheriff, like what you thought of them,
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 2: and the sheriff goes, well, I thought he was retarded,
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 2: and smash cut to something else. I'm like, you're trying
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 2: to make me laugh.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny.
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 2: I've wanted to try to get him on the podcast. Yeah,
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be one of the he probably never answer,
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 2: honestly because it would probably be disrespectful to Timothy Treadwell
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 2: and you got. I would love to get him on
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 2: just because he's amazing, and also his documentary Happy People
• 2:51:20
  Speaker 2: Life in the Tiger is one of my favorite documentaries
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 2: of all time.
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't know it. It's good.
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 2: It's all about these people that live in Siberia and
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 2: they have like no mental illness, and all they do
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: is they live a assistance lifestyle. They're just hunting and
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 2: fishing and trapping, and they ride around on snowmobiles and
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 2: they make these huts and they live up there with
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 2: their dogs and they have this extended periods of time
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 2: where they're alone and all they're doing is like taking
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 2: their snowmobiles to different traps and gathering wood for fire
• 2:51:50
  Speaker 2: and fish to eat. It's and they're all happy and
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 2: they're drinking and laughing, and they're like, it's weird because
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 2: he documents it. It's called happy People. That's what interest
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 2: the documentary that's called. And it's like with his like
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 2: the way he describes these people living in Sibedia, Nice Siberia. Amazing. Oh,
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 2: it's really amazing. It's amazing documentary. I think he's incredible.
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 3: I have said forever you don't all look. Mental illness
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 3: are real thing. I'm not gonna pretend it's not. But
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 3: if you spend a lot of time outside and in
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 3: nature and especially by yourself, the noise goes away. I
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 3: don't care who you are, I don't care what your
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 3: history is, drug history anything. When you you're much more
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 3: present when you're alone in nature and mental illness. I
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 3: have no experience in this. This is just opinion, but
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 3: mental illness comes from when you're wrapped up in your
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 3: own being, right when you're thinking about all the problems
• 2:52:50
  Speaker 3: and this, that and the other thing. But when you're
• 2:52:51
  Speaker 3: alone in nature, you have to think about your surroundings
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 3: and what you're doing, and you don't have time to
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 3: sit and manifest on these things that create the depression
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 3: and anxiety and all of those types of things.
• 2:53:02
  Speaker 1: There's also no comparison.
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 2: You're not comparing yourself to anyone else because you're living
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 2: in a community that are a assistance lifestyle people. All
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 2: these people are doing the same thing you're doing. What
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 2: are you gonna do? You're gonna have the biggest fishbody cares.
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 2: It's all hunting, fishing right, living off the land. They
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 2: all do it, and they're all like sharing and drinking
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 2: together and having fun.
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 1: It's really wild. When you watch it, you go.
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 2: God boiled down to like the most simplistic, community driven
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 2: ways that people exist like this like seems to be
• 2:53:34
  Speaker 2: the best way for people to live.
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 3: But like you said earlier, you have to have both
• 2:53:38
  Speaker 3: sides right of the coin. It's like the red and
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 3: Blue in Texas, because you have to have innovators and
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 3: overthinkers and workers or it wouldn't be a society, or.
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 2: By the way, they wouldn't exist because they use snowmobiles
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 2: and not one of those motherfuckers is going to invent.
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 1: A snomobile exactly. So you gotta have the red and
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 1: the blue. You gotta have both sides.
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's awesome. Well, hey, brother, it's always
• 2:53:58
  Speaker 2: good to talk to you. It's really fun fun. What
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 2: is this You and the crocodile. Oh my god, dude,
• 2:54:03
  Speaker 2: you had he didn't tell me you put meat all
• 2:54:05
  Speaker 2: around the outside of it.
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 1: Told you as an idiot. Look at this. We made
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 1: that cage, by the way, and I am no engineer.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at the caves.
• 2:54:13
  Speaker 2: Looks so flimsy. That thing looks so flimsy. And you're
• 2:54:19
  Speaker 2: just hanging by a.
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 3: Thread literally, like this cable that we sourced from a
• 2:54:23
  Speaker 3: village and hoped it would hold up. I mean, we
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 3: tested it as far as put some rocks in it
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 3: and tested it in empty cage.
• 2:54:29
  Speaker 2: But this is a terrible idea.
• 2:54:31
  Speaker 1: It was dumb. It was dumb. Look at these things
• 2:54:33
  Speaker 1: doing death rolls. But people are gonna watch this, Joe,
• 2:54:35
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna learn about crocodile. Everything you filmed it right.
• 2:54:38
  Speaker 2: God man, that's insane. That was fun that that cage
• 2:54:43
  Speaker 2: looks way too flimsy. Don't do that again.
• 2:54:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it again. I promise.
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 2: Tell people how they can see that, Where where they
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 2: can find all your stuff?
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's Shark Week.
• 2:54:51
  Speaker 3: We got an awesome show coming out this week, Alien
• 2:54:54
  Speaker 3: Sharks Untamed America looking at some incredible sharks celebrating America's birthday,
• 2:54:59
  Speaker 3: Our craziest, weirdest sharks.
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 1: How long is Shark Week?
• 2:55:02
  Speaker 2: Has been going on since the eighties, thirty nine years old,
• 2:55:05
  Speaker 2: same age as me.
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been around my whole life.
• 2:55:10
  Speaker 2: That is so crazy.
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an institution. Plus, we got the YouTube channel.
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 3: That's where I'm doing most of my stuff now. I
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 3: hope people check out. I know you watch some videos. Yes,
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 3: I've heard you comment. I appreciate that. Oh, I appreciate you.
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you doing that stuff.
• 2:55:22
  Speaker 1: Man. Thanks for having me, dude. Always great to see
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 1: you again. All right, bye everybody. Yeah,