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IS OKC THE BEST TEAM IN THE NBA?! SGA’s Leap, Mark’s Award, Cason’s Defense & Cup Preview! · Bring The Thunder Podcast

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You're listening to the Bring the Thunder.
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Podcast A podcast by fans. For fans.
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Yes, you guys are welcome to the bring the Thunder podcast.
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We have myself, Gabe, we got Joe and savvier and today we are
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bringing you guys yet another episode.
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We have a a pretty large range of topics here kind of bounced
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all over the place, but they're definitely good ones, don't get
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us wrong. So without further ado, let's
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kind of just jump right into this first topic, which there is
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a it's actually a topic that the entire league needs to kind of
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start addressing and, and figuring out.
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And that's the SGA 3 ball that has been forming this year.
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And there's something that I think has always been a little
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bit of a, a little bit of a question mark around Shay and
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it's been that 3 point consistency.
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And if that goes away as the way it's starting to look to right
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now and it becomes a consistent 3 ball, I think the league is
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going to see a back-to-back MVP by the end of the year.
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What do you what do you guys feel about Shay's insane 3 point
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shooting right now? Yeah, I mean, he's shooting
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what, like 44%? He started off the season at, he
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was shooting like 26% and in the last month or so he's been
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shooting at like a 57% clip. It looks really, really good,
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like he worked on his shot a lot since he got to OK C.
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It was super ugly when he first got here.
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Now he looks super confident, which is a good thing.
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If there was 1 flaw in his game, it was the three-point shot and
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maybe even his confidence in the three-point shot.
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He worked on it all last year. Last year during the regular
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season he got a lot of threes up, especially early in the year
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and that's something we were touching on last year.
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This year's the same, but the shot is just butter.
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If he shoots 40% from three this year, no doubt MVPI.
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Think Jack said it best. If Shay shoots 40% this year, no
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doubt MVP, No doubt NBA Finals champion, and no doubt Finals
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MVP, because he'd be the absolute complete player that
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anyone would ever want. Yeah, to get my thoughts into
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this, I would say, and he's on his 4th consecutive 30 point
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game, so he's going to start creating that streak now.
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It seems like he's moved on from the 20 point scoring streak.
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The one place that I would say like he can get, he's flirting
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with 504090 right now. And the craziest part is the
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place where he's missing out is on the free throws.
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He's only shooting 88% and A2 percentage point difference in
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free throws is a lot when you really think about it 'cause to
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get up to that higher number, it takes a lot of makes and you
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barely can miss. To shoot 90% is not an easy
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task. That's why 504090 is so
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impressive. So he's pretty much on the cusp
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of that. He's building that streak up.
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But his three-point percentage, the thing that I'll highlight is
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the attempts on it. 515.1 attempts shooting 53.4% as of
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right now. Like that's absurd numbers.
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You know, when you put it all together, like what you Joe's,
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what you said, he's pretty much become a complete player.
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He's entering that James Harden, Kevin Durant's conversation of
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all time scorers. People just are trying to ignore
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that with the free throw conversation.
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But I think that has nothing to do with the conversation as a
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whole when it comes to him becoming this complete player
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that we've been mentioning. And I think we all saw it like
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he's leader in drives. I mean, what else can this guy
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complete when it comes to his level of consistency, right?
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Like it's like Thanos, he's just collecting different skill sets
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and then he's like, oh, the last one I needed just and and I
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think that is gonna make the league vanish.
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But we got another topic coming up later talking about what's
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gonna make this league really scared.
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So. Yeah, something else Bichet is,
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you know, we've always known he's this pure scorer, but he's
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now starting to gain this archetype of a three level
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scorer, which is something that I didn't think we really
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mentioned much with him 'cause of that three ball.
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But watching it fall now, the thing that really surprises me
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is it's not the type of shots he's taking for his threes.
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It's when he's knocking them down.
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His clutch 3 point percentage is ridiculous when it's clutch time
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and we need a three bad his three, his three-point attribute
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goes up to a 99. Like he is an incredible player
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as soon as that clutch time comes, and that's just for all
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around. But it's it's specifically as
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well with the three ball, you know, it just seems to be
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falling every time we needed to in the end of the game.
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He had that huge three against the warriors where he turned
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around and he was he was talking.
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He he was real loud about that one.
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He's still barely getting away with that 3 point Sally.
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I'm waiting for someone to get upset about that.
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But until then, he's he's knocking down into ridiculous
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right right now. And and it's not like the
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difference that I think I'm seeing is last year it felt like
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he was sometimes attempting like fix threes a game, just trying
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to get them up and pretty much practice.
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It doesn't feel like he's doing that right now.
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He's taking very smart threes. He's putting up shots that I
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think he feels really confident in.
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And it's because he's not he doesn't need to practice threes
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anymore. He's he's figured it out.
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I mean, he's become a good three-point shooter and part of
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that is just knocking him down when he sees them, sees it fit.
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And that that step back 3 is is nasty.
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It really is. I mean, a lot of a lot of the
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comparisons I see are kind of to prime Harden where he kind of
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lulls the defender. He sizes him up and goes between
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the legs, hits some, hits some real slow moves and all of a
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sudden he hits a set back and you just can't make up that
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space. So he's he's becoming truly an
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an A completely unguardable player on literally every aspect
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of of the court. So if this three ball stays as
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consistently throughout the entire season, like there's no
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reason he's not going to average more points than he did last
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year. Yeah, and I kind of want to ask
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Savier a question because the more you were talking, I I know
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Savier wants and needs to answer this question right now.
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Savier if this year ends with a clutch player of the year,
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back-to-back MVP, back-to-back Finals champion, back-to-back
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Finals MVP and maybe even another scoring title, which is
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probable. But there's also some guys up
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there that like Max, he's been unbelievable this year to start
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and it's his team and it's going to be his team all year.
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So he might be up there as well. But and, and Luka Doncic,
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obviously, But if all that happens this year, I mean, are
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we putting him like, are we ready to put him like top
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three-point guard all time ever like I think you have?
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To that puts you in a crazy category.
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I was just thinking all time players.
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There's a video of me and me and Jack on the channel that you
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guys should definitely check out where we did a prediction video
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on SG as all time trajectory. I don't even know if you you 2
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have seen this video, but we reviewed all the players that he
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was around and we pretty much summed up like after the
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championship, he's at the around the 15 spot, 13 to 1512 to 15
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spot all time already with that one singular championship.
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And yeah, I know 'cause we were looking at all the accolades and
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we're like, you know, he's pretty much right there.
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This would put him that next set of accolades with another ring
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and kind of the trajectories on at the age that he's at that
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would put him into the top ten conversations and then maybe
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third or fourth ring would get him into the top five.
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But if you can win it, that's pretty much where what we summed
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up in that video. Whereas you know, he gets one
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more of these, he's right there in the top ten and then after
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that you're having top three to five conversations and then, you
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know, as you get closer to that, you know, maybe 456 range,
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that's when you can get into that top three debate.
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So he's he's getting closer and closer towards that.
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So I'm loving it. And I would say he's in my
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opinion, he's already a top ten player ever.
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But I don't really need to see any more to I don't need to see
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more rings to know what I'm watching, right?
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Like some players you can just see where they're at and see
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where they're going and he's just, he's just one of those
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guys. He's him, so.
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Yeah, I mean, top three-point guard is, in my opinion, it's
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I'm not counting Oscar Robertson right now because I don't count
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like guys like Will, not Big O, but I do count Magic Johnson.
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I do count Steph Curry, and I do count Isaiah Thomas.
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I'll do you one better, Joe. Passes Isaiah Thomas if he wins
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another championship. This.
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Year, I'll do you one better in the shooting guard range just
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from that side. Oh, he's he's top three.
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He's easily top three. I would say either top three or
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four because D Wade's still considered the third best
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because. Yeah, but if Shay wins another
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one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
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You're right. He would enter that top three.
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So he'd be third behind as a shooting guard behind MJ and
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only Kobe. So there's only a couple of
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people that he needs to pass at the guard position overall when
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it comes to point guards and shooting guards.
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So he's right there, you know, getting into that top 10 range
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as a guard. So I I just can't believe the
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Thunder had that level of a talent after having Russell
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Westbrook, who is also in those debates, even though he gets
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ignored, put aside, but he's got 4 consecutive, you know, runs at
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having his triple double S and everything else.
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And we know how much we love him.
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And to think that we got to guard better than that.
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I never thought that was going to be possible.
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I don't know about you guys. No, it's, it's insane.
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I mean, it really is crazy. I think Shay is going to be one
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of those players that 10 years from now or 20 years from now,
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people are going to look back on and a lot of younger fans will
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wonder like, why don't we hear about people talk about this guy
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Moore, And it's well, the media tries real hard to make you
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dislike him. But if you just look at the
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stats and you just pay attention to how he played, he's going to
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be one of those guys that you're going to be like this.
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This is easily one of the best guards of the last several
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decades. So he being able to witness that
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is just crazy. I mean, it's night in and night
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out. We're watching.
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We're watching greatness. Guys, I do want to mention we
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haven't even gotten to this and I know we're hitting that 10
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minute mark, but guys, he's shooting 43%.
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He's right there in the conversations with Damian
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Lillard, Stephen Curry when it comes to three-point shooting
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and floor spacing. We know how much of you know,
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that creates on the floor spacing side.
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And that's where we should transition the conversation a
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little towards that amount of him being a magnet where he has
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to get doubled that far off and him already having the ability
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to, you know, pretty much get to the basket as fast as he can and
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as athletically as he can, where he's pretty much unstoppable on
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that side. That's the side where Damian
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Lillard and Stephen Curry didn't have that because they're not 66
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guards. SCA is.
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So it's pretty much nearly unstoppable behavior because
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it's like, all right, if you double him, he'll pass out, get
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the ball back and go to the basket and you're pretty much
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playing down a man against him. Or if you do double him or don't
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double him, he can take 3 pointers.
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It's that's even worse than if I was having to face Steph Curry
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because people talk about Steph Curry as a top #1 guard or two
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guard ever in NBA history. And I'm thinking about SGA.
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He's right there with the percentage on his three-point
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shooting. Obviously he's not doing it as
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in a fancy of a manner, but he's doing it just as efficiently, if
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not more, and he can get to the basket even better.
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So my brain just unlocked after just thinking about the force
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facing that this is creating for the Thunder.
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And I'm like, wait, he's right there with the top two other
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point guard shooters in the league.
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For me, for me, I mean, I agree, he's there.
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I mean, he doesn't shoot as many, so that kind of puts him
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apart, but we don't need him to. Three shot attempts away from
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Steph Curry if anything. So it's.
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Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's not like a crazy
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stretch. I mean, the efficiency is all we
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care about and it's been fantastic.
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For me. It's it's Kobe Bryant with a
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consistent 3 point shot. If if that's what it is like if
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he stays in the 40 range, even high 30s, it's like.
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He's MJ with a consistent 3 point.
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Yeah, it's it's tough, bro. It's tough.
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Because he's got the verticality of an MJ of a Kobe, but just in
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a different way where it's just a lot more controlled.
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And this is different, man. It's just different.
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So what do you think, Gabe? I want to hear your thoughts.
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I mean it's. Talking about.
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I know I'm exaggerating a little bit, but come on, tell me
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something. I get what you're saying.
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It's it's the idea of. For me personally, it's the idea
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of let's talk about Curry for example, like obviously greatest
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3 point shooter of all time and the way he scores is is insane.
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But he doesn't have a mid range like Shay and he doesn't finish
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as good as Shay. Then you think about Dame, same
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thing as Dame. He's more of a three-point
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shooter than anything else. He's not some crazy good
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finisher. His mid range isn't close to
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Shay. Well, Shay is one of the best.
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He is the best finishing guard in the in the league.
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He's the best mid range shooting player in the NBA.
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If he starts shooting threes at the same volume as those guys,
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that's like that is unreal. That is ridiculous.
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That is a player who's got all three of those abilities
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essentially. And that's not talking about the
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defensive ability of this player as well.
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He's an incredible defender. Like he is one of our better
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defenders on this team. So I don't think you are
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exaggerating. Like I really think that Shay is
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like, if this 3 point ball truly becomes consistent, it's not
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just like he's putting up two and making one.
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If he's putting up four or five a game, he's making three of
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those. There is no reason that we can't
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say that this guy's gonna end up being one of the greatest
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players ever there. There's just no reason.
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You can't say that that is an unstoppable offensive player.
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There's nothing he can do. He passes, he creates space
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then, so now he's passing the ball.
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He's already averaging a ridiculous assisted turnover
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ratio this season. That's a whole different.
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Conversation. That's a ridiculous conversation
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on its own, but if he starts hitting that three to
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consistorate as well, there's the only thing that will keep
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him from seriously getting in the talks of one of the greatest
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players ever is the accolades and that's it.
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It's if we can then win the rings, if he can win more MVPS,
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more hardware. So no, you're not exaggerating
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he skill wise. If that 3 point becomes that
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consistent I will. You think we glacier now?
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Holy shit. Just wait.
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The Shea haters are probably in the worst place they've ever
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been in the past five years. Like my friends in my group chat
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have stopped texting. I'm not going to say the name.
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I'm not going to say. Yeah, I'm not going to say the
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name of the group chat because it's absolutely insane.
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I text you guys privately, but they've literally stopped
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texting and I have to remind them every couple months.
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Like here's a random Chase stat that you guys didn't know.
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And remember when you guys said he was not as good as Damian
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Lillard or CP3 or James Harden? And it's like he's already
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passed them last year. And now we're entering new
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talks, guys, for the Shake leaders out there.
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But we also have other news for Shay.
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You know we could ramble on so. Yeah, so with that kind of
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completely different topic here, we're talking about scale, we're
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talking about wins, we're talking all about all that fun
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stuff. But Shay did in fact just drop a
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new color line for his shoe, the Winter Red edition.
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Going with the the seasonal shoe here, definitely a a a strong
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look. You'll see a player coming from
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three miles away, but it definitely fits the, the season
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well. I actually think the red and
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green look kind of like super clean.
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Like it, it pops out and I definitely think you, you could
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look kind of goofy wearing the brightest shoes, but it depends
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on what you, what you got on what you're wearing it with.
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So I think I think they're clean.
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I I like the color scheme. I like the red.
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I like that he's trying unique stuff.
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I think he's probably one of the few guys in the shoe market
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right now that's just kind of like consistently putting out
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colorways that are different. And, and he's not just putting
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up blue and green and red like he's putting out.
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He has the, the unique blue, the, the charcoal black, the
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messy blue. Like he's putting out these
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really unique versions of colors.
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And this is just another unique color scheme.
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So not much else to say for me, but I if if I had the money I
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would buy these. Yeah, I like them.
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I like them a lot. Sorry, I was just going to
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mention they're going to look super clean at home on
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Christmas. I think we, I'm pretty sure
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we're wearing our white jerseys on Christmas Day.
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So the white jerseys with the with the Christmas colorway
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shoes are going to look fine. Yeah, and this is the only Shay
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Red colorway that he's worn where he's actually performed
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really well. Every other Shay Red shoe, the
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old Converses that he used to wear, he'd always performed so
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bad to the point where Thunder fans had to get into his DMS and
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tell him to stop wearing them and he actually stopped wearing
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them, which is one of the wildest things ever.
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But for this, his first game with these, he absolutely fried.
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So I mean, he's he's been cooking regardless.
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But if you're a sneaker fanatic, or a Shay fan, or a Thunder fan,
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or you're a family member of a Thunder fan watching us right
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now, make sure you gift this to whomever.
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I wouldn't mind somebody, you know, buying the podcast a pair
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of these. No, I'm joking.
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I'm joking. Yeah, exactly.
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Like if there's a converse person out there watching this,
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we'd happily love to make a video on these and unbox them.
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But more so than that, like if you're a family member of
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someone that is a Thunder fan, I think these would be the perfect
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gift, especially with the colorway and everything else
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like that. They look amazing.
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And I mean, what can you say? He's he can't really miss with
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his marketing decisions, even off the court.
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Like what? What can this guy not do?
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He's a creative director of his own shoe.
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And and since Gabe, you mentioned it, it's the reason is
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colorways are so unique. It's because they're unique to
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him. They all have like a storyline
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as to why he chose each colorway.
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So they're not just some basic color that he's just choosing
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out of thin air. He's like, there's a reason
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always to each shoe and everything.
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So I feel like he's spending a lot of time and energy towards
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this. And I think these come out on
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December 11th on Thursday. And I can promise you this, this
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is not inside information. This is the truth.
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If you want a pair of these, you better pay up a lot of money
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because they're going to sell out very fast.
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His other 3 colorways have sold out and they had to come back on
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the shelf multiple times just for people to get them.
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And most people still haven't gotten them.
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So these are going to be the same story, if not worse.
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Because from what I've seen, the hype around these is absolutely,
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absolutely there. So if you want a pair, I would
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try to start looking into some dealers or something, you know,
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because I don't think you're going to get them anytime soon.
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Yeah, absolutely. All right.
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Well, with that, I think we should move over to some more
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Thunder related talk and that's the fact that Mark Dagnolt was
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named Coach of the Month as well as Cason being named a Defensive
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Player of the Month. So 2 pretty prestigious monthly
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awards there for OK C is we get the coach award as well as
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casing, getting some nods as well.
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And I mean, if you guys have been following this podcast for
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a while, you know, last year some of us were a little harder
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on mark during certain times. We had some issues with
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benching, some issues, issues with subbing, issues with
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minutes. But at the end of the day, you
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also would know that even the people who doubted him, counting
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to myself, and that even the people who doubted him still
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would end up at the end of the day coming back and saying that
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we love Mark and we think he's a great coach.
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So there's not a lot of denying that.
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And I think once again, we're just kind of seeing that happen
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as Mark here gets the coach of the month.
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And it's kind of hard to believe that he like, like it.
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It's the team's 21 O1. Like you got to give some kind
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of recognition to that. And he's the coach of that.
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And I feel like he's done a really good job this year with
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giving players minutes, trying out different rotations, using
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challenges. I've really been happy with what
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he's been doing. So that's at least my thoughts
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on Mark. As for Cason, I mean, we know
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what Cason does. We we know what he's here to do.
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The Scots have been they've been posted all year talking about
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players, field goal percentages, going down the tank as soon as
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Cason's on him and his ability to just guard one through 4
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essentially and keep his hand in their face and poke a ball
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loose, all that good stuff. I mean, Cayson absolutely
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deserves A Defensive Player of the of the Month award.
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So both these are prestigious awards that I feel like we
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absolutely it's it's pretty straightforward why we got
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these. Yeah, I'm extremely happy about
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more so the Cayson Wallace Defensive Player of the Month.
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Didn't think he was ever going to get the recognition, but he's
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here and and that's a really nice award for Cayson.
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I'm sure he's happy about it. He tweeted about it.
19:47
So it's nice, but he deserves it.
19:49
I mean, he's a Pesti defender, can guard, I mean one through
19:56
3-4 if you want on the court. Obviously we just pulled up the
20:00
graphic and led the NBA and steals during the month,
20:03
deflections and defensive rate, the OKC defensive ratings top
20:07
tier. But he's just everywhere on the
20:10
court on defense at once. And it's clear when he's in the
20:13
game and when he's not. I mean, we force turn turnovers
20:16
at a super high rate, getting a transition with them on the
20:19
floor. So very happy for Kasin, for
20:21
Mark, very happy for for him as well.
20:23
I think, you know, we had a love hate relationship with Mark
20:28
throughout the season last year. But one thing we always like
20:31
turned back to at the end of our little rants when we lost a game
20:34
or something was well, Mark's super young too.
20:37
Mark's learning with the players year by year they're gonna grow
20:41
together. And I think it's showing
20:43
obviously this year. I mean, even in the clutch
20:45
scenarios, he's been putting in the right line UPS, which is one
20:47
thing we kind of nitpicked last year, the right line UPS.
20:50
He's a super efficient, what is challenge usage?
20:54
He normally gets them right like every time.
20:56
So Coach Mark, congratulations as well.
20:59
I'll chime in and mention, you know, all the stuff that you
21:02
mentioned about Cason, but also what's not mentioned on this
21:05
graphic was he was taking over the top perimeter spot and
21:09
starting a lot of games where in place of Lou Dort where he's
21:13
guarding the opposition's best perimeter scores and he was
21:17
putting up these numbers. So that should tell you that he
21:20
pretty much deserved this award pretty easily.
21:23
I don't think it was a hard decision for whoever was voting
21:26
on this. And I think every month we'll
21:27
probably have a different Thunder player getting this
21:30
award. Probably next time it'll be Lou
21:32
or Chet. And then, you know, every other
21:34
month they'll just switch out a Thunder player for this one.
21:37
But talking about Mark, the thing we were more like, we were
21:40
only nitpicky with him really like because his defense has
21:43
always been elite. I don't think we've ever
21:45
mentioned his defensive anything schemes or anything since the
21:49
6th. I think this is a sixth season
21:51
with us with us. And he's also becoming one of
21:53
the more longer tenured coaches because that's coaches usually
21:56
get fired pretty quick. So he's starting to, you know,
21:59
even at a young age, he's becoming one of the more tenured
22:02
guys. So he's going to start racking
22:04
these awards up and you know, he's already won, I believe,
22:07
coach of the year before. So it's only up from there.
22:11
And now that he's kind of stopped messing around with the
22:13
line UPS in general, like he's going to play the right people
22:17
in the fourth quarters and we pretty much trust them too.
22:19
So super excited about that. Yeah, also would case it, I
22:24
mean, you mentioned it, we watched Case and guard Curry and
22:29
guard Luca when we had those back-to-back games against the
22:32
Warriors and the Lakers. And I mean just absolutely
22:35
clamped them and and I think maybe it was you sat there, it
22:39
was it was you one of our lives. You said you're going to watch
22:42
them perform really badly against OKC and then the next
22:46
game take the over on the players points because they're
22:48
going to go right back to normal.
22:50
And that's exactly what happened with Curry.
22:52
Curry dropped like 2 or 340 point games and then against OKC
22:56
had like 11 points. Luca Dodgers would drop yeah
23:00
Luca Dodgers dropping 353840 every night and he has 19
23:04
against OK, like case an unbelievable player to have on
23:08
the court and I'm super happy we have him on the team, but well
23:12
deserved. I I'm very surprised he got it
23:14
and I'm very happy for him. Yeah, yeah, I'm super happy
23:18
about it as well. I think we can move towards our
23:22
next topic if you want to transition us over, Joe.
23:25
Yeah. So I mean, with that being said,
23:29
the NBA is starting to get a little nervous about OKC right
23:32
now. They are 21 and one, they've
23:35
been injured all year and they, they have this plethora of picks
23:40
that they still have remaining. But the problem with one of
23:43
these picks that the NBA is really panicking is OKC has the
23:46
LA Clippers pick in next year's draft or this upcoming year's
23:49
draft, I should say. And right now it's a top six
23:53
pick, barring any, you know, lottery or whatnot.
23:56
But if that remains, OKC has unlimited options of what they
24:02
want to do after the season with that pick.
24:04
They also have the Utah Jazz's pick.
24:08
I think it's like top 8 protected or something like
24:09
that. But what are you guys thoughts I
24:12
mean? I I want to go first.
24:15
Yeah, go I'm very ways they could go this.
24:18
I want to demolish the Clippers organization right now.
24:21
They cut their league leading franchise guard on a year.
24:26
They're having an absolute dismal of a season.
24:29
They did the same thing to Blake Griffin.
24:31
They locked up freaking DeAndre Jordan and his house to re sign
24:34
him. Didn't give him any options.
24:36
And then they treat their players so poorly and ask you
24:40
know why things aren't happening.
24:41
Good for them. They have scandals left and
24:43
right and on top of it they want to hand us all these picks
24:47
alongside SGA. Thank you so much to the
24:50
Clippers fans and their organization for being probably
24:54
the worst run organization I've ever seen.
24:57
Like they have one of the richest owners and spending all
25:00
this money and doing all this stuff, but that does not equate
25:03
to a winning culture. And if you're not going to build
25:06
a culture, culture, you know, around that specific thing of
25:10
like winning a championship, like you're really not going to
25:12
get anywhere. And you can see that with the
25:14
type of player that they got with Kawhi and what he does in
25:17
his background. And I, I just, I just don't like
25:21
it overall. And I'm happy that we have their
25:24
pick. You know, before I felt a little
25:25
bad for them, but I, I started thinking about all the things
25:28
that they've done over the years and it's like, no, they, they
25:31
deserve this. I think the way they treated Doc
25:34
Rivers as well in the past. So yeah, I'm happy with their
25:38
pick and I hope it goes first overall and they can watch us
25:40
take the best NBA talent that we can possibly take because they
25:46
pretty much deserve, deserve this.
25:47
And we still have more picks from them even after this year.
25:51
So they'll, they'll be continuing to give us first
25:54
rounders. I, I'm sure James Harden isn't
25:56
going to stay around too much longer.
25:58
It looks like Tyloo is not. He's going to be staying around
26:01
with the franchise too much longer as well because I don't
26:03
think the money is going to be worth it for him to take that of
26:07
this type of team. Like he's trying to win.
26:08
He's a winning level coach. CP3 left for a reason.
26:12
I'm sure Ty Lue's going to leave for a reason.
26:14
Harden doesn't like to lose. This is his first season for
26:16
James Harden where he'll not make the playoffs.
26:19
That's a crazy thing to think about for a talent level as his
26:23
even at the age of 32, he's consistently putting up 25 plus
26:27
points like trash of an organization.
26:30
I rarely do this. You guys know this Joe.
26:32
Like I always talk up franchises as much as I can, but when you
26:37
want to operate in this way, you pretty much should deserve this
26:41
level of criticism. And I'm being pretty nice, so I
26:46
see Gabe probably has some thoughts on the league being in
26:49
trouble as a overall, and I'll probably get back to that once I
26:52
calm down a little bit. Yeah, I just to immediately go
26:56
off of before you do calm down. I'm really glad you mentioned
26:58
the whole thing with Chris Paul, because I think that's an
27:00
absolute. It's a dishonor.
27:02
It's it's disgusting. It's ridiculous.
27:04
I mean, they had a they had a tweet not even not even over a
27:08
month ago saying that they were so glad that Chris Paul could
27:11
retire back where it started with the Clippers again, back
27:14
where he played with them to then just cut him just for no
27:17
reason. Not it's not like you're
27:18
bringing on some huge player to desperately needed a roster spot
27:22
to just cut him like that's. The point guard's so bad for
27:28
James Harden and they cut the one guy they have like I'm so
27:31
confused. Based off of what Lou Williams
27:33
said, he's on like a FanDuel sports show with Michelle Beadle
27:36
and I'm forgetting the maybe Chandler Parsons.
27:39
Yup, Yup, Yup. He said that Chris Paul was just
27:45
calling people out, calling players out and calling
27:47
management out because obviously it's a shit show over there
27:50
right now. And the first one with the
27:53
players, he was just like, yo, I'm just trying to like, I have
27:56
the experience. I'm just trying to get this
27:57
thing back on track. So they they want to win fairly,
28:00
right When he went to the management and trashed that,
28:03
they said go home. That's just.
28:05
That's crazy. That's crazy.
28:07
I mean, you know, you know that the only reason he's doing this
28:10
is because he's trying to make the organization better.
28:12
Like he's not just an asshole. Like he's not just shitting on
28:15
your organization. Like he knows how much the
28:17
Clippers gave to him. He knows how much they mean to
28:19
him for him to try to step up and fix things and then get cut
28:22
for that in his final season after after announcing that he'd
28:25
be retiring after this year, they cut him.
28:27
That's that is absolutely ridiculous.
28:29
So savier said he's going to be nice.
28:31
I'm going to be not nice. They're a bunch of fucking like
28:34
that's that's fucking ridiculous.
28:35
Like I think Clippers are one of the lowest organizations on my
28:38
list after that. And I'm not even a big Chris
28:40
Paul fan. Like I loved him when he he's
28:44
frustrated me for a long time. They have everybody on the
28:47
Internet saying that this is bullshit and people do not like
28:50
Chris Paul like. Chris Paul has been.
28:52
Hated and the people who hate him are like man, fuck the
28:55
Clippers and exactly like fuck the Clippers.
28:57
Like this is ridiculous. And like Savier said, I find it
29:00
hilarious to know like I used to always think it was kind of
29:02
funny that we pulled off this huge trade, but now it's like
29:05
it's 2 middle fingers to him. It's like we we robbed you.
29:07
We took the player who's now 1 MVP just had one of the greatest
29:11
guard seasons from you ever because your owner was too dense
29:13
to realize who he was trading. And in the meantime he threw A6
29:16
picks with it too. And then three years later, he
29:19
loses Paul George, the one that he made the giant, giant trade
29:22
for. And as Stephen A Smith says, who
29:24
by the way, I will always agree with Stephen A Smith here, Kawhi
29:28
Leonard is one of the worst superstars in the entire NBA
29:31
because you cannot have a superstar who is not available.
29:35
Kawhi Leonard is not available. He does not act like he wants to
29:38
be available half the time. So the Clippers are an absolute
29:41
shame. Collect his checks and not
29:44
caught up in his checks the. Checks that he might be getting
29:47
funneled to him. Yeah.
29:49
Well, that too. He's trying to get his.
29:51
Double other side, yeah. He's trying to get his other
29:54
money and then that's probably got a lot to do with his load
29:57
management and everything else. Like absolutely.
29:59
When you know he's got double the money coming in, why the
30:02
heck would you ever show up to your job?
30:04
Yes, if my job was to pay me double and say you don't really
30:08
have to come in like. You bet your ass and I know.
30:11
I have that over them I'm never showing up to.
30:14
Work No, exactly. And they they've backed
30:16
themselves into that corner now and to get out of it they I mean
30:19
that's a whole other conversation.
30:21
Steve Ballmer, especially as an as an owner, is just a joke.
30:24
Like people think he's hilarious and he's this cool guy, but just
30:27
a horribly he did. He he he built a new stadium.
30:31
You're right, he spent all their money on a new stadium.
30:33
You're right, I forgot about that.
30:35
Just ridiculous but but. Yeah, I I kind of just hope that
30:38
the organizational failure and mayhem over there just continues
30:44
because Chris Paul, I mean, none of us are big Chris Paul fans,
30:47
but we really respect what he did for OK C during his one year
30:51
kind of sent us into where we are now, especially SGAI mean
30:55
they're close. And listen, the pick, it's not
30:59
guaranteed to be top top. I mean, they could go on a
31:02
little bit of a run. They were good last year.
31:03
They were in the playoffs. But if it stays this way, I'll
31:07
take the lottery pick. And not for nothing, I signed
31:12
Chris Paul to a vet minimum myself.
31:14
Yes, me too. Also something to point out as
31:16
well. A lottery pick in this year's
31:18
draft is really good. This is a good draft.
31:21
This is like I remember last year talking about that.
31:23
I liked this upcoming draft class.
31:24
Yeah, this is a loaded draft class.
31:26
I mean draft. Class and the one after this one
31:29
like these are the two loaded ones and there's and there's a
31:32
reason Sam Presti put 4 picks in each of those and push the other
31:36
couple seasons the other ones back so that he can get into
31:39
these. Like people are not like
31:42
watching what he's doing and thinking like, oh he's not an
31:45
idiot. Like he's made-up all these
31:47
picks and he's getting them in specific seasons where he knows
31:50
which players are coming up. Like he's one of the best talent
31:54
evaluators, scouts as AGM that you can probably ever find so.
31:59
He's got the magic crystal ball that we always talk about.
32:01
He he just knows what he's doing.
32:02
But the the last thing I kind of want to say on this topic is the
32:06
NBA cannot let Oklahoma City get Cameron Boozer.
32:09
They simply cannot. If we get Cameron Boozer, we're
32:11
winning five rings in a row. I like the Boozer shout.
32:15
There's a lot of players, honestly.
32:16
That are so many great players. But for me, I just want to throw
32:20
out a quick theory. I don't want to drag this topic
32:22
on much longer because we are kind of rambling here, but all
32:26
right. So I think about nine years ago,
32:29
almost 10 years ago, there was a time where a finals champion had
32:36
a record setting season at 73 wins and it was the Golden State
32:40
Warriors. They break the regular season
32:44
wins record, they get to the finals and they blow A31 lead.
32:47
Now hear me out, OK, C finals champion, reigning finals
32:54
champion looks like they're going for the record as of now.
32:59
I'm not I'm not rooting for this to happen.
33:01
I'm not say they get to the playoffs and they sell it
33:04
somehow. There's a lot of good teams in
33:05
the West, right? There's a player on the market
33:08
right now, similar to what happened to Golden State.
33:13
Golden State pulled KD. There's a play it on the player
33:16
on the market. There's a lot of rumors if he
33:18
doesn't get treated this year, he'll definitely be available in
33:21
the offseason. Just just putting it out there
33:23
that maybe if OK C loses, they have a they're primed with picks
33:28
and players to go get Giannis and try to rerun what the
33:31
Warriors did about nine years ago.
33:33
Just putting that out there. But hopefully we win this year.
33:36
That's a great. Great thing that I honestly
33:38
didn't even think about. I haven't.
33:39
Even thought about. Yeah, I haven't even thought
33:42
about the possibility of losing in the Finals, but I think
33:46
that's scarier than us getting a first pick in any draft because
33:49
we have so many picks to where I think Sam Presti would load up
33:54
the roster. The time is now.
33:56
Yeah, the time is now. And he's going to realize that
33:58
too. Like your job isn't secure in
34:00
the NBA whatsoever. You lose maybe one or two
34:03
seasons. You could be on the chopping
34:06
block very quickly. So he's always a patient guy.
34:10
That organization's patient with him.
34:11
But with this level of a roster that the expectations start
34:14
rising, right? So.
34:16
And if you're, if you were to lose in this year's playoff at
34:18
any point, just look what the last dynasty did.
34:24
It's just, it's just the lines. That's all I'm saying.
34:26
I'm not saying it's going to happen.
34:27
He could get traded tomorrow to the Knicks.
34:29
I don't know. We'll, we'll, we'll see.
34:31
I think is is the big, big sender on that one is we'll
34:34
just, we'll sit back and wait. Before we go off the topic of
34:38
the Clippers, the last thing I think I wanted to mention about
34:41
them was and I already and I already forgot it so we can move
34:47
on. We'll move on and then think
34:49
about it. OK, well with this last little
34:52
topic we wanted to mention here, this is a good one.
34:54
We're going to talk about the NBA Cup as it's coming up, talk
34:56
about some predictions, talk about our thoughts on it.
34:58
We know that we have a match up with a team that we kind of just
35:02
had some beef with a little bit and a really close match up.
35:04
So let's kind of let's get into that real quick here.
35:08
Yeah, I can kind of break it down really quick before we do a
35:10
little bit of predictions here. OKC on the 10th, I believe, is
35:15
going to play the Suns at home again.
35:17
The Suns probably won't have Devin Booker.
35:19
He had a groin injury in LA the other night.
35:21
But OKC's hurt too. Lou Doyt remains out tomorrow,
35:24
Caruso's still out tomorrow. And obviously Hartenstein, but
35:27
he wasn't there for the first game either.
35:30
First, let's just go over to the the the left side of the bracket
35:34
here. It's OK C and Phoenix.
35:37
And then the two three seed is LA, the Lakers and the San
35:41
Antonio Spurs, who have been very good even without Wembe
35:44
recently. So your guys thoughts on our
35:47
game and then obviously the the other game as well.
35:51
I I think we roll through it. I mean, I felt confident last
35:54
year and we end up losing the Bucks in a really, really
35:56
disappointing game. But I just feel like we're a
35:58
better team this year. I feel like there's almost a
36:00
little bit of that spite because we did lose to the Bucks last
36:02
year. So the record means a lot to us
36:04
this year. We've been really playing hard
36:06
every single game, so I think we roll through that.
36:09
Yeah, I wanted to pull up the graphic to make it a little bit
36:13
easier for people that are watching on YouTube and make it
36:16
easier on us as well. We can roll through some
36:20
predictions here, but I do believe, like we'll definitely
36:24
beat the Suns with or without Devin Booker.
36:26
I don't really think it matters too much.
36:28
I just think they're still missing that playmaker that I
36:30
mentioned. Spurs could end up beating the
36:34
Lakers. They've been really solid.
36:36
So I think that's a toss up, honestly.
36:39
I guess with LeBron being back and it being an NBA Cup thing
36:42
and he loves money, an extra 500 K will motivate LeBron James.
36:46
I do know that. So I think he would end up
36:49
beating the Spurs on that side. On the other side, I'm going to
36:53
have to take. I don't even know, man.
36:55
I've barely watched much of the Eastern Conference here.
36:59
There's some good teams. The Eastern Conference side will
37:01
be exciting. I really, really like the Magic.
37:04
I mean, personally, if we're talking EI would take Magic and
37:06
Knicks, I think, I think both them can take care of it.
37:09
But the Raptors have been good this year too.
37:11
I mean the and the Heat as well. The Heat have been on a run.
37:13
Those are four solid East teams. I'm a little biased for the
37:16
Magic. I just like their team a lot.
37:18
I like their players. I, I think that Miami, Orlando
37:21
game is going to be super fun to watch.
37:22
Me too. I think the Knicks will take
37:24
care of the Raptors. The Raptors are kind of like
37:27
they started off super good. Now they're like little banged
37:29
up, a little injured. But we'll see.
37:32
And for our side, I'm going to say OK, C wins.
37:35
I'm going to put it out there. It's not going to be easy.
37:37
If we don't, obviously we won't have Hartenstein.
37:40
We'll see the update on Lou and and Caruso.
37:42
It'd be really nice to have them back because Phoenix played us
37:45
really well the first game and and they look like a very solid
37:49
team and they're hungry as well. So and then for the Lakers,
37:52
Spurs, if Wendy's not there, I think if the Spur, if the Lakers
37:56
are healthy, we'll be seeing them in the semi finals, which
38:00
that'll be fun. Yeah, I, I think, I think we'll
38:03
meet, I think we'll meet the, the Knicks in the championship.
38:06
That's my guess. And I, I like playing the
38:08
Knicks. I think we play the Knicks
38:09
pretty good. I, I think they're a good team,
38:11
like a respectable team. I mean, obviously we know
38:14
they're good, but I don't have a problem with the Knicks other
38:16
than it's they're just, you know, there's a lot of history
38:19
with the the Knicks and and some issues there, But I I think it's
38:22
a it's a respectable team to play.
38:23
I'd like to meet the magic. I think again, little bias
38:26
there, but I just think we'd match up welcome.
38:27
I think that'd be a fun team to play.
38:29
I'd like to see I'd like to see how Paulo matches up against our
38:31
defense. I'm curious to see him get
38:34
tested a little bit and I I'd. Be really bad for him.
38:36
I, I, I'd want to see him, I just, I'd just like to see how
38:39
he, how he can handle that and see if anyone else in their
38:41
team's capable, but. Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm nervous.
38:44
I'm a, I'm a mental case. So pretty much I don't know how
38:51
I don't know if the NBA wants OKC to go to the Cup
38:54
championship and the Finals 2 years in a row.
38:57
So I'm kind of hoping like I don't want to lose, but it's.
39:01
Not the worst. I don't know, It's like it
39:03
wouldn't be the worst in my mind, but my real predictions
39:06
really quick. OK, so you should make it to the
39:08
championship. I'm ready for Orlando to make it
39:11
to the championship. I feel like that's kind of like
39:13
the Eastern Conferences OKC team a little bit and they compared
39:16
us a couple years back. Not too similar anymore, but it
39:21
kind of. And if the Knicks have any hope
39:25
of making it to the Finals this year, they should not win this
39:28
Cup championship because you know, the NBA is not giving the
39:30
Knicks NBA championship along with the Cup championship.
39:34
Right. Yeah.
39:35
So OK, see. Like a more competitive place
39:39
now, like at first it was all jokes and giggles and like, oh,
39:42
you get an extra couple 100K and now it's turned into like, oh,
39:45
we got to win the NBA Cup for a lot of these teams.
39:48
And I obviously did not think it would turn into what it has.
39:52
I thought it just the. They advertised the hell out of
39:56
it like they advertised the NBA Cup more than like the Finals.
39:59
Like there are so many commercials and shit about the
40:02
NBA Cup. Like personally, I still hate
40:04
it. I still absolutely.
40:05
I don't hate it, I understand why they do it, but I'm not like
40:08
I'm not getting more excited as if it's not just more regular
40:12
season games essentially. Like it just feels the same way
40:14
to me, but like, I hate how much they're advertising it over like
40:18
other things. Like, you know, it's interesting
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to me. But if we want, we could do a
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little preview for the Suns real quick since that's kind of our
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first match up. And then I think we have one
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more small topic to cover after that.
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But yeah, I. Mean I feel like we already
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predicted the game. I don't want to do too much
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because tomorrow. I agree, I agree.
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Well, our preview will just be obviously competitive game.
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We've we played them well last time, but no Devin Booker.
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That's that's going to make it a lot harder on and I know we're
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injured up, but ultimately, you know who's stopping Shay and and
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who's going to respond on their team if if Booker's out.
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So that's kind of my thought for that scenario.
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But with that, I think we have one more little topic we want to
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mention, and that's someone who here in OK C We we really
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respect this guy. We really like him.
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And that's Danilo Gallinari, who is now retiring, which
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unfortunate to hear. I've always been a big fan of
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Gallo. I remember watching him when we
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were frankly terrible, but feeling like he was just one of
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those guys that was just like, I don't know, there's just
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something about the way he played that was just fun.
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You know, he just, he just, he got buckets, man.
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He had such a good year with us. He was just a fun player to
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watch. So yeah, what what are you guys
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thinking about Danilo finally hitting the hitting the
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retirement stage? I believe he was a part of the
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Paul George trade if I'm not mistaken.
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I mean. Sorry, he was.
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Yeah, he was. He's a part of that one.
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So I mean, he he had a massive scoring season.
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I still think of him as like a top 10 Thunder player just for
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the amount of points that he scored.
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I think it was like 19 points per game.
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And that's still like top five in points per game generated, or
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at least you know, top 8IN as a Thunder franchise player.
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I think that's still ridiculous. When you say the name Danilo
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Galinari and that comes to mind. He also averaged that five
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rebounds. I believe we went 44 and 28 that
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season with a playoff appearance.
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So you know, still fun season from him.
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But this is a crazy stat. I did not even think about this.
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This man shot 40 1/2% from three on.
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Guess on on how many attempts he took.
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I'm going some ridiculous. I'm going like 6.
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Joe. Gallo for us probably shot about
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like 4 threes a game. Bro no, you guys are both wrong.
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This man shot 7.1 threes that's ridiculous. 40% yeah on on 7
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attempts a game that's ridiculous.
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I cannot believe we didn't keep him for much longer.
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Like I I always wondered why he we got rid of him.
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He was just so good. I don't know, I.
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Lied Gallo. I mean, it's sad that he's
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retiring, but at the same time it is one of those guys who is
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kind of like, it's not shocking that he's retiring at this point
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in his career, but. All Star, he was an All Star
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level player that season around Chris Paul.
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I think him having Chris Paul next to him and Sam Presti
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probably realizing that's like the highest value you can get
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for Danilo. But still, I'm having that
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ridiculous of a season with us is like still crazy, I still
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think. About it, Gallo was an absolute
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bucket that this is coming from the ACL injury a couple years
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ago kind of put the nail in the coffin.
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But he was great for us. He was super electric on that.
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The early 20 tens Denver teams like the I think it was like 14
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and on he played with Denver with like Kenneth Farid and then
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you know, that group was really fun to watch.
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Obviously he was a New York Knick before that.
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Danilo was always a solid NBA player and for OK C.
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Joe Danilo Gallinari was technically a teammate of Lou
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Dort. He was.
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That was crazy. That's crazy.
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So crazy. That's insane to think about.
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In the bubble at the time and Mark even remembers having him
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on the team because I think he was, that was his first season
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with us. And so Mark's comments on it was
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like he was just a really fun guy around the bubble to have.
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So I don't know, just thinking back to our Thunder.
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Legend. I will never forget the the OKC
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Thunder Instagram page posting vote Danilo Gallinari for the
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All Star game and people were like who the hell is this guy?
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Oh yeah, you, you don't get it. You don't.
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Get it every time a Thunder player's up for like an All Star
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vote. You know what's crazy I see in
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the comments? Like they say the same shit
44:33
about Chet Holmgren. Like who the hell?
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Yeah, I know. That's so.
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I hear literally Lakers fans being like who the heck is Chet?
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Yeah, exactly. Lakers fans, dude.
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That's crazy fans. I almost just said something
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crazy but we just probably wrap up before I do.
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All right, well, we hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
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We covered a lot of different topics talking about the NBA
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cups, always interesting as we know that's coming around, but
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definitely at home. Go ahead and pour one out for
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Danilo Gallinari as he's retiring.
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We love talking about this kind of stuff.
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But yeah, I mean, big game coming up.
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We got some, we got some big games coming forward.
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We'll have the the pregame out for you guys tomorrow.
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45:08
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