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The Breakfast Club BEST OF SHOW - Andrew Young & John Hope Bryant & Abby Phillip interview · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Woke up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up.
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  Speaker 2: The program your alarm to power one oh five point
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  Speaker 2: one on iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: Good Morning Usa.
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  Speaker 3: Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
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  Speaker 3: yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo.
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  Speaker 4: Yo yo yo yo yo Yo.
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  Speaker 5: Jesse Lorian, Good morning, Charlamage the guy he stead up playing.
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  Speaker 6: It is Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior day back right, salutha MLK man
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  Speaker 2: makes civil rights.
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  Speaker 1: Make some noise y'all with the A could you stop?
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  Speaker 1: How old do you have been? Make some noise? Ninety six?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, make some noise y'all with the F. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of times we say people could have
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  Speaker 2: been at a certain age, But Martin ver King Jr.
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  Speaker 2: Truly could have still been here on this planet ninety
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  Speaker 2: six yeo, ninety six years old if he wasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: tragically murdered and taking away from us back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: Because think about it, Andrew Young is still alive. Who
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  Speaker 2: will be replaying his interview, you know, later today, and
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  Speaker 2: he was a top scratategist for Martin Luther King Jr.
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  Speaker 2: Reverend Jesse Jackson is still alive. Like there's so many
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  Speaker 2: people from the civil rights movement. That was with Martin
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  Speaker 2: Luther King Jr. That is doctor Martin ul King Jr.
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  Speaker 1: That is still alive. Today's right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, so today on the show, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: play back out interview with andre and O'Brien.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: I discussed the interview because I wasn't here that day.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Andrew Young, like I said, he was a
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  Speaker 2: top strategist for doctor Martin Luther King Junior man, and
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  Speaker 2: I mean he really lived it.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean Andrew Young. And he was also a
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  Speaker 1: former mayor of Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: Like Andrew Young's done so many different things, so he'll
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  Speaker 2: just be here to talk about himself.
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  Speaker 7: He was also being too humble, and that's why mister
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  Speaker 7: John O'Brien and to step in, like you'll stop being
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  Speaker 7: humble and get him the facts, like tell him. You know,
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  Speaker 7: he's such a nice he's such a nice guy.
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  Speaker 2: But I think with guys like Andrew Young, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard for him not to be humble simply because it.
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  Speaker 1: Was just his life. Yeah you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Like to us, we're looking at it like wow, this
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  Speaker 1: is amazing, but to him, he just lived it, just
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  Speaker 1: lived it. This is his life. He don't know nothing, no, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And also we're getting on Abby Phillips.
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  Speaker 2: You know why we're getting Abby Phillips on because Abby
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  Speaker 2: Phillips put out a book that was about Jesse Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: It is called uh yes, it was called Jesse Jackson
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  Speaker 2: and the Fight for Black Political Power, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. So, like I said, these brothers that were
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  Speaker 2: actually there with Martin Luther King Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Are still alive.
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  Speaker 2: Man, So you know, let's let's let's let's let's have
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  Speaker 2: conversations about them.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we get your ass up. It's the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: Come morning. Your time to get it off your chest.
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  Speaker 2: Way up, whether you're mad or blast, time to get
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  Speaker 2: up and get something.
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  Speaker 1: Call up now. Eight hundred five eight five one oh
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  Speaker 1: five one. We want to hear from you on the
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Who's this from Florida?
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  Speaker 1: Is Keisha? I see why you upset? Keisha? What Cas
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  Speaker 1: you're mad about?
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  Speaker 3: You?
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  Speaker 1: What I do to Keisha?
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  Speaker 8: What you do?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Child? Report? You want me to tell them?
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  Speaker 8: Keisha?
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  Speaker 5: No, Keisha said she want to know why Charlemagne don't
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  Speaker 5: like fat people white?
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  Speaker 1: I don't like fat people.
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  Speaker 9: You'll be talking crazy.
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  Speaker 4: But no, that's not what I'm said.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know why Charlomagnre hates people.
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  Speaker 1: I don't hate fat people. Why come and talk to
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  Speaker 1: me you do? Tell me why they hate?
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  Speaker 3: You hate a lot of people like you, you guys, Charlomagne. Baby,
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  Speaker 3: I want you to go listen to Mirror tell yourself,
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  Speaker 3: love yourself because you always tell people down, no matter
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  Speaker 3: what it costs. And you don't pour into people and
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  Speaker 3: build them up unless it pours and builds you up too.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the problem you need.
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  Speaker 2: You need to deal with that.
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  Speaker 3: That's the man you're You're somewhat attractive.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have easy to be such a shirt like
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  Speaker 2: you got listening. Listen, Keisha, now really listen. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: am somewhat attractive. Why do you think I hate fat people?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 4: Other comments about the five people and the airlines where
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  Speaker 4: Lauren's doing, you have all these things to say about
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  Speaker 4: Loin and her relationships, want to sell just say something
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  Speaker 4: you can just know you you're a hater in general, baby,
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  Speaker 4: and I mean that comes from some kind of hate
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  Speaker 4: the things. So you need to deal with that. Like
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  Speaker 4: you to like to read self help books, but only
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  Speaker 4: for entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly because nothing's sticking you.
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  Speaker 1: What a big person? Do you nothing?
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  Speaker 2: And I just don't agree with the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with the fact that's Southwest Airlines needs to
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  Speaker 2: make them pay for another airline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but even.
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  Speaker 10: Before that, because then you remember like when you and
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  Speaker 10: recent Tisa had a dang.
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  Speaker 1: You remember her when I said about recent.
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  Speaker 4: Shig me baby, got start me baby, That's what I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: When we first heard recent TEASER's voice, I just said,
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  Speaker 2: she sounded like she was heavy set.
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  Speaker 1: You are you heavy set? I am?
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  Speaker 8: I am.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a proud three hundred and seventy one pounds on
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  Speaker 4: a problem and that's the only problem. Three seventy one,
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  Speaker 4: you white baby, three six kids because it's Cody cat
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  Speaker 4: good six kids. They can't stay out of it? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: no good? How tall are you five six of the house?
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  Speaker 1: No, you're height five to six? Oh she said five
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  Speaker 1: six and a half five six.
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  Speaker 5: And a half.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: You said, you hater.
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  Speaker 4: You blocked your own years from hearing baby.
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  Speaker 10: Ladyship sound through seventy one.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, God bless Keisha and everything that Keisha's saying.
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  Speaker 1: Go off.
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  Speaker 5: Keisha Keisha, I'm just saying I'm getting off job number two,
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  Speaker 5: about to take my kids to school and go to.
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  Speaker 4: Job number one because I'm a hustler and a baller
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  Speaker 4: like that can for a little extra sheet is nothing
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  Speaker 4: because I don't want to sit next because nobody anyway.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like getting closed up on people like that.
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  Speaker 4: I do that because I'm in the healthcare field. So
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  Speaker 4: when I'm on my free time, get out my fate.
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  Speaker 2: You're speaking the number ones and number three is what's
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  Speaker 2: your favorite fast food?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you have a good day.
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  Speaker 4: I don't hassling, Okay, I like DJ Steakhous. Get on
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  Speaker 4: my level, feed into people, turn into people because nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Could be nice because nothing give love.
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  Speaker 1: I love you, I appreciate you. I love you, and
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  Speaker 1: I respect you.
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  Speaker 2: I love you and I respect you so so much.
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  Speaker 4: Keisha, No, you don't, because as soon as it's falls over,
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna talk so much crap about me. It's not
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  Speaker 4: even want to be showing me except to.
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  Speaker 10: You say you.
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  Speaker 4: I listen to the show every day. You are haters
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  Speaker 4: and the man I mean to love you whatever hurt
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  Speaker 4: little boy is still in there crying out. Give them
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  Speaker 4: some attention, some love, and some road.
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  Speaker 3: We need some whole books, take notes and let something
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  Speaker 3: sick because who yes, if somebody needed to tell you
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  Speaker 3: some some some ain't.
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  Speaker 4: Right, some at right. I'm glad you got your family back,
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  Speaker 4: that's true, but I mean work on.
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  Speaker 9: You know she was listening to me yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Listen you spread that lie, Lauren, hold I got my
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  Speaker 2: family back.
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  Speaker 1: My family.
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  Speaker 10: I'm talking about when you got in trouble. You had
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  Speaker 10: to get your life right with your wife.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that never happen. You look at that guy. The
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  Speaker 1: envy that happened. The envy, Yeah, hey, that was it
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  Speaker 1: was both of y'all. No, it was not. That was envy. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: shout out.
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  Speaker 10: To good saying that, I don't know, I'm good saying
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  Speaker 10: that to you. Yesterday you told me I was going
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  Speaker 10: to be a Sigehu.
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  Speaker 2: Keisha is five sick and Keisha is five six and
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  Speaker 2: a half three seventy one.
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  Speaker 1: Yes he is. Whoa Keisha? You have a great day.
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  Speaker 1: She works in the healthcare business, so she probably a nurse.
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  Speaker 2: I think me and Keisha needed to learn to love
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  Speaker 2: ourselves a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit more, saying you have a good morning.
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  Speaker 5: Damn Dan, he's working two three jobs. You got six kids.
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  Speaker 5: I wish, I wish I could gain. I would have
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  Speaker 5: paid for Keisha lunch today.
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  Speaker 1: Why lunch? Because it's why?
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  Speaker 10: Why you don't know she needs she might need to
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  Speaker 10: up on her car.
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  Speaker 1: It's because I'm gonna do like fifty dollars for lunch.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pay Kim's Olympic shots. I'll pay for her Keisha,
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  Speaker 2: God blessed Keisha.
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  Speaker 1: Tho man talk about I'm gonna pay for lunch today,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you say? Show I paid for people's lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Why? Well, we got all these Golden Corral certificates around here.
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  Speaker 2: Why you need to pay for Kess? We got all
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: these Golden Carrol certificates. She can even go to crowd
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  Speaker 2: for a year for free, and you want to pay
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  Speaker 2: for a.
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  Speaker 5: Lunch, Get it off your chest. Eight hundred five eighty five,
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  Speaker 5: one oh five one. If you need to vent, hit
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  Speaker 5: us up now, it's the breakfast club.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, allow, who's this?
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  Speaker 7: Hi?
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  Speaker 11: Ciara? I used to be neighbors with Charle Mane. My
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  Speaker 11: grandmother used to hit on him in the elevator.
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  Speaker 1: How many men did you see going in and out
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  Speaker 1: of his place?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Tiara, Good morning, how are you blessed black.
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  Speaker 1: And Holly fair?
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  Speaker 2: But how your grandma doing the same as always I will.
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  Speaker 11: I'm calling because I'm exhausted from fighting my mental health alone.
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  Speaker 11: I lived with severe depression and anxiety and I've well
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  Speaker 11: he felt genuinely happy like twice. I'm stuck in the
• 8:19
  Speaker 11: cycle of burnout and the breath relief, and I'm scaredly
• 8:23
  Speaker 11: more of the same. You know, Charlemagne always talks openly
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  Speaker 11: about letting his mental health, not letting his mental health
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  Speaker 11: stop his success. And you know that's why I'm reaching out.
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  Speaker 11: I'm a creative person who feels like life has been
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  Speaker 11: grinding me down. I'm starting to lose a person I
• 8:39
  Speaker 11: used to be, and I used to be the best.
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  Speaker 12: I know.
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  Speaker 11: I used to be really talented and creative, and I
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  Speaker 11: know it's still in there, but I just need some guidance,
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  Speaker 11: maybe mentorship or perspective from someone who understands the struggle
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  Speaker 11: and how to move forward anyway. And I'm tired, but
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  Speaker 11: I'm still trying, and you know that's what I'm calling.
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  Speaker 1: I totally understand you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you. I'm gonna got your information, Eddie.
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  Speaker 2: Please get to your information. Right, our number down and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you later after the show to ya.
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  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Hold on, don't hang up, Okay, I'm not get her
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  Speaker 1: number right now, Eddie, Hello, who's this?
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  Speaker 8: Heynd it from New Jersey?
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: Chamade it from Jersey? What Jersey?
• 9:23
  Speaker 8: I can't tell you?
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  Speaker 11: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Every damn, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: What you mean?
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: Run something? You got warrants?
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  Speaker 3: Jerseys A But listen, I'm about to talk about your
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  Speaker 3: friend who I don't want him know where I'm from,
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: my friend Trash.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sick of him. He needs to go for this
• 9:38
  Speaker 8: year I'm trying to do now. I'm just tired of
• 9:42
  Speaker 8: him every morning he called every other day.
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  Speaker 2: Travels a loyal breakfast club listener.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I am too, but but darn but listen, get
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  Speaker 8: a new sens for to know y'all should not have
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  Speaker 8: to call eighty dag on time.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: Get a new system from Systems. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that I was calling, Mama. Only one I agree
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  Speaker 1: with is Trave.
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  Speaker 5: I don't like when he started calling talking about like
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  Speaker 5: cowboys stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I love Traving. You act like it's
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  Speaker 1: a new found Hey, baby, what's that good?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you?
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  Speaker 9: Man?
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  Speaker 5: Let's luthor traff get it off your chest eight hundred
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  Speaker 5: five eight five one oh five one.
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  Speaker 1: If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.
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  Speaker 5: We are the Breakfast Club, Lawnla Roses here as well.
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  Speaker 5: We got some special guests joining us this morning. Yes, indeed,
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  Speaker 5: we have a Landy Smith here, good morning, good morning,
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  Speaker 5: good morning. We have ce Sir Williams, good morning, good morning.
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  Speaker 5: We have Frederica Newton, good morning, and we have fred.
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  Speaker 1: Hampton Junior, Good morning morning. How y'all feeling this morning? Man?
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  Speaker 14: Were blessed man Black and blessed man blessed Black and
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  Speaker 14: Holly favor. Yes, Sir Landy, why we all gathered here
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  Speaker 14: today with all these amazing people, brother man. We we
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  Speaker 14: had a New York Fashion Week show about about a
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  Speaker 14: month ago, man, and we were blessed to have these
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  Speaker 14: individuals show up and walk on the fast on the
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  Speaker 14: on the runway with us, along with uh doctor Burne's
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  Speaker 14: and Iliosa Sabbaz, the daughters of Malcolm X and Mornin
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  Speaker 14: Luther King and the response to it, the way that
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  Speaker 14: black people have responded to seeing these people on the runway,
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  Speaker 14: knowing that this history wasn't that long ago like they
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  Speaker 14: tried to tell us that it was. Has been powerful man,
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  Speaker 14: so actively black. The company that I founded, we were
• 11:19
  Speaker 14: built with the intention to uplift and reinvest back into
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  Speaker 14: the black community. And uh, these incredible legends have been
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  Speaker 14: supportive of the brand.
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  Speaker 2: So when you when you, I want you all to know, man,
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  Speaker 2: see Sir Williams, right, y'all know this legendary picture right
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  Speaker 2: here that the brother drinking out of the white's only
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  Speaker 2: water found. I always wanted to ask you, mister Williams,
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  Speaker 2: was it a spontaneous active rebellion or something something you
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: plan to do as a statement.
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  Speaker 1: It was a little bit of both. I was thirsty,
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  Speaker 1: but also it was a middle of the sunshine of
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  Speaker 1: the summer. You know it's evident T shirt.
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  Speaker 13: But but also this was not the first time I
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  Speaker 13: did this. There were many other times that I felt
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  Speaker 13: I wanted to look really, I was not satisfied, but
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  Speaker 13: living on the status quo in segregation. So this was
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  Speaker 13: something that I had done many times, and my mother
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  Speaker 13: warned me not to do it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But I did it again and this time it was photographed.
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  Speaker 1: Did did you feel fear in that moment? I was
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  Speaker 1: your faith stronger than your field? None whatsoever.
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  Speaker 13: This is about fifteen to twenty miles from Orangeburg and
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  Speaker 13: on Highway twenty one and coming back from an assignment
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  Speaker 13: for Jet magazine.
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  Speaker 1: But I never sent this picture of the jet.
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  Speaker 13: It was something that I held in the family, and
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  Speaker 13: I knew I would get chewed out had I, you know, given.
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  Speaker 1: It to my mother and father to see, so I
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  Speaker 1: hid it from them. It never sent it to Jet either.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, sy they get it?
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  Speaker 13: Maybe three or four years later, I showed it to
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  Speaker 13: the Conversation one Sunday afternoon doing a dinner. It kind
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  Speaker 13: of came out, and then I got chewed out.
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  Speaker 2: What did that single act teach you about the power
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  Speaker 2: of defiance and the faith of injust well?
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  Speaker 13: Living in South Carolina, being a child of segregation, it
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  Speaker 13: was something that we encountered DeLong from birth to death.
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  Speaker 13: We in South Carolina doing that period of time, felt
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  Speaker 13: again we were treated as subclass human beings, not being
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  Speaker 13: able to go to a store and go into a restroom,
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  Speaker 13: or go or drink get a drink of water out
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  Speaker 13: of a fountain, or having to go to a side
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  Speaker 13: window or go into a movie theater and having to
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  Speaker 13: sit in a separate place or not at all. So
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  Speaker 13: but again one thing that I would like to that's
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  Speaker 13: maybe out of characteristic of many southerns There were many
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  Speaker 13: good white people at the time as well. You can't
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  Speaker 13: just put a blanket statement against that all people treated this.
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  Speaker 1: There were many good hearted white.
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  Speaker 13: People at the time, and they were friends of my
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  Speaker 13: family and they helped support our family. But there were
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  Speaker 13: some people in South Carolina again who live treated us
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  Speaker 13: as a status quo not being able to do this
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  Speaker 13: or that.
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  Speaker 5: So crazy to think about it, Like, you know, when
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  Speaker 5: you have these conversations, we're really not that far removed
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  Speaker 5: from that whole, right, That's what I'm saying, Like you don't,
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  Speaker 5: you don't really think about it, like you said earlier,
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  Speaker 5: Like we're not far removed from racism, and even the
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  Speaker 5: stories that my dad told me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is crazy. This is what fifty years ago,
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  Speaker 1: sixty years I got got one of my aunts.
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  Speaker 2: She said, I don't know nothing about no I don't
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  Speaker 2: know nothing about no integration. Yeah, she knew was segregating
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: in schools.
• 14:20
  Speaker 14: You know, Yeah, we had, we had Ruby Bridges walked
• 14:22
  Speaker 14: the wrong way as well, and it was a powerful
• 14:25
  Speaker 14: moment because everybody remembers that picture six year old little
• 14:28
  Speaker 14: girl being escorted into school by federal marshals and Ruby
• 14:33
  Speaker 14: just turned seventy one, but you know, black on cracks,
• 14:35
  Speaker 14: so she looks forty five and she walks out on
• 14:37
  Speaker 14: the runway. It made it real to people like that
• 14:40
  Speaker 14: same little girl in that black and white photo is
• 14:42
  Speaker 14: walking right here in front of me. So that's that's
• 14:45
  Speaker 14: the power of having having these individuals here with me,
• 14:48
  Speaker 14: showing you know how close we are to everything that
• 14:51
  Speaker 14: we still fighting to this day.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Do y'all hate you, I'm sorry, Do y'all hate white people? God? Damn?
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: All right, And I'm gonna tell you why.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: When I talked to my my dad has a feeling
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: towards white people, right, And I always joke and I
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: laugh about it. But then when he tells me his
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: history of him being in the military, and you know,
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: they're in the same barracks, but then when they go
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: get some food, it's white only, and is people in
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: the barracks they go get food, he can't. Yeah, he
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: talks about the water fountain in the bathroom and all
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: this other stuff, and why he looks at white people
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: the way that he does, I understand it.
• 15:21
  Speaker 13: So that's why I ask you the same well that's
• 15:24
  Speaker 13: brought to the forefront by Landy Smith and again the
• 15:26
  Speaker 13: fashion show, In fact he labels the fashion show. This
• 15:30
  Speaker 13: is not a fashion show. Pictures like this are just
• 15:34
  Speaker 13: evidence of time and period we lived in America that
• 15:38
  Speaker 13: seemingly in today's society, some people want to bring it back,
• 15:42
  Speaker 13: but it's long gone. But people like me who had
• 15:45
  Speaker 13: experienced this and people that were on the show that
• 15:48
  Speaker 13: was put together by this amazing brother who has brought
• 15:50
  Speaker 13: forth this apparel that again has criss crosses across America
• 15:55
  Speaker 13: and being put into the hands of today's generation t
• 15:59
  Speaker 13: shirts of the things that he makes. We're not going
• 16:02
  Speaker 13: to stand for again. Resegregating America's going to be something
• 16:06
  Speaker 13: that is long gone. And to answer your question, there
• 16:09
  Speaker 13: are again many many good white people. And again there's
• 16:14
  Speaker 13: some myths I think that all white people are bad.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I was growing up in South Carolina was such a
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: mine because to your point, I grew up around a
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: lot of good white people, but then we were also
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: aware of the white people who treated us like status cool,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Like there's a.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Certain places you knew you weren't supposed to go.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: But then I also had my white friend and Thomas
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: and his family who lived right by me, so it
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: was a class thing.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: So it's just it's just, I don't know, talk kind
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of different.
• 16:36
  Speaker 15: But the tag team. But you first, I'm chairman, Friend
• 16:39
  Speaker 15: Hunton Jr. I'm honored to be here again. Conspits salute
• 16:42
  Speaker 15: to this brother and his wife, his team. You know
• 16:44
  Speaker 15: what I'm saying, Because say everything's political, including fashion able
• 16:47
  Speaker 15: to get this peel in the apple sauce. These type
• 16:49
  Speaker 15: of discussions, it's a revolutionaries. It's a misnom about like
• 16:52
  Speaker 15: it's motivated your moves, how we move. It's a hatred
• 16:55
  Speaker 15: for someone else coming down to us. Chakevar said, you know,
• 17:01
  Speaker 15: a revolutionary no matter how preposterous it may sound, it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 15: goded by the most sincereous sentiments of love. And I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 15: not saying this sort of abstracts sort of way, but
• 17:08
  Speaker 15: we're talking about the work such organizations. The Black Panther Party.
• 17:11
  Speaker 15: The motivation for getting up with the first free breakfast programs,
• 17:13
  Speaker 15: free busting program survival programs was not directly at a
• 17:16
  Speaker 15: hatred for anyone, you know what I'm saying, But again,
• 17:18
  Speaker 15: motivate for love for people. But let me say this though,
• 17:21
  Speaker 15: I think all black people should get like a mass
• 17:23
  Speaker 15: Nobel Peace Prize, all of us.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 17:26
  Speaker 15: The fact that we just on masks snapped out. You
• 17:28
  Speaker 15: know what I'm saying, You know, not to this iran
• 17:30
  Speaker 15: that we ain't motivated at a hatred. But again, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 15: sometimes even though it's a reactionary response is kind of justified.
• 17:36
  Speaker 15: But again for the record, it's a more got a
• 17:39
  Speaker 15: love for the people.
• 17:40
  Speaker 16: Like to echo off, I could him Frederica and Hewing
• 17:44
  Speaker 16: was my husband. And what came to mind when you
• 17:48
  Speaker 16: when you even asked that question was quote from Hughie
• 17:52
  Speaker 16: that said what motivates people is not hatred, but it's.
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: Love for other people.
• 17:57
  Speaker 16: So my mother was white, and she introduced me to
• 18:00
  Speaker 16: Huey because she was doing work with the Black Panther
• 18:03
  Speaker 16: Party and she was the only one that they trusted
• 18:06
  Speaker 16: to do the real estate work. So I couldn't. I
• 18:09
  Speaker 16: did not grow up hating anyone. But what I do
• 18:12
  Speaker 16: hate is white supremacy and the impact on black community. Absolutely,
• 18:16
  Speaker 16: I actually hate that and the impacts of the impact
• 18:19
  Speaker 16: that it's had on us. So again, as my brother
• 18:25
  Speaker 16: said so eloquently, as he always does, as he always does,
• 18:29
  Speaker 16: is that the Black Panther Party service was out of love,
• 18:34
  Speaker 16: out of love for black people, out of love for
• 18:36
  Speaker 16: oppressed people, and it wasn't it wasn't guided by hate.
• 18:40
  Speaker 16: So it's impossible for me to hate anybody.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Lannie.
• 18:43
  Speaker 14: Why was it important to have these historical black figures
• 18:47
  Speaker 14: yea walk into Actively Black fashion show.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 14: So one the tagline for Actively Black is there's greatness
• 18:52
  Speaker 14: in our DNA and very intentional about that because I
• 18:55
  Speaker 14: think over the centuries of oppression, subconsciously our people have accepted.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Now I won't say accepted.
• 19:02
  Speaker 14: Sometimes it seeks into our subconscious that we are less than,
• 19:06
  Speaker 14: not as good as this is what has been told
• 19:08
  Speaker 14: to us, this is what has been preached to us
• 19:10
  Speaker 14: for centuries. I'm trying to rewrite that narrative. I'm trying
• 19:13
  Speaker 14: to deprogram and reprogram our own people to understand that
• 19:16
  Speaker 14: there's greatness in our DNA. It's literal greatness in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 14: DNA that walked on that runway. When you see Malcolm
• 19:23
  Speaker 14: and Martin's daughters walk on that runway together. That DNA
• 19:27
  Speaker 14: is something that has that has moved mountains, that has
• 19:31
  Speaker 14: changed lives, you know what I'm saying, And that exists
• 19:33
  Speaker 14: within all of us. So it was important for our
• 19:36
  Speaker 14: people to see that, to know that we are more
• 19:38
  Speaker 14: than just our trauma, you know what I mean. We
• 19:40
  Speaker 14: have so much greatness inside of us, and if we
• 19:43
  Speaker 14: start acting out of that greatness, that's how we can
• 19:45
  Speaker 14: change things for our community.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: How difficult was it getting everybody in and how how
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: long did it taken?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It was?
• 19:54
  Speaker 14: It was stressful. One there was a white supremacist who
• 19:58
  Speaker 14: was killed by another white man and about a week
• 20:01
  Speaker 14: before our show, and yeah, yeah, and it sent some
• 20:07
  Speaker 14: shockwaves through our plans because you're talking about children of
• 20:13
  Speaker 14: people who were assassinated, real political violence, and so I
• 20:18
  Speaker 14: had to reconvince Iliosa Shabaz and Doctor King to still
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: be a part of this show. There were some safety concerns.
• 20:25
  Speaker 14: We had to bring in three extra teams of security
• 20:27
  Speaker 14: just to make sure that they were secure because the
• 20:30
  Speaker 14: rhetoric was that there was going to be payback, which
• 20:33
  Speaker 14: never made sense to me because there was a white
• 20:34
  Speaker 14: man that killed them, you know what I mean. But
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: I think the reason why I was able to execute
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: on that was the respect that I had paid to
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: these individuals before everyone you see up here, Doctor King,
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: doctor Eliosa Shabaz. I went to them and asked them
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: for permission to put their family members on this gear.
• 20:53
  Speaker 14: I have licensing agreements with them so that when we
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: sell apparel, the Black Panther Party Museum gets money, Hampton,
• 21:00
  Speaker 14: the Hampton House gets money. Cecil William's Museum gets money.
• 21:03
  Speaker 14: Right the Sebbat Center, the King Center actively Black pays
• 21:07
  Speaker 14: them when we sell this, this this merch and so
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: you know, you can go on any market any weekend
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: and you'll see a lot of us selling this stuff,
• 21:15
  Speaker 14: not realizing these people actually lost people in this struggle
• 21:19
  Speaker 14: and they weren't compensated, right, And so I think I
• 21:22
  Speaker 14: earned a level of respect with them that when I
• 21:24
  Speaker 14: made that call and I asked them, can you walk
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: on this wrungway for me?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: They answered the call. And I feel so humbled.
• 21:30
  Speaker 14: I mean, Doctor King, when she when she arrived, she
• 21:32
  Speaker 14: gave me a signed speech from from her father and
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: she prayed with me, and I broke down and cried,
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: you know what I mean, Like her schedule is crazy
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: for her to move around her travel schedule to be
• 21:42
  Speaker 14: there for this show. It's something I'm forever grateful.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Did you have any concerns, any security concerns at all?
• 21:47
  Speaker 14: My man came and made sure we were we were,
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: we were, we were, We were good with the security.
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: We weren't gonna let nobody even get close to touching
• 21:55
  Speaker 14: you know this royalty.
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, what does it mean to be actively black?
• 22:02
  Speaker 14: That's such a layer question. And there's a reason why
• 22:06
  Speaker 14: I named it that you got to understand. When I
• 22:07
  Speaker 14: was starting to actively black. By the way, we'll celebrate
• 22:10
  Speaker 14: five years this Black Friday. We launched on Black Friday
• 22:13
  Speaker 14: twenty twenty. I had a lot of black people tell me,
• 22:16
  Speaker 14: don't name the company actively black. I had black executives
• 22:19
  Speaker 14: tell me, if you put black in this name, it
• 22:21
  Speaker 14: will not be successful. And I realized that a lot
• 22:26
  Speaker 14: of them were speaking from a place of fear of
• 22:30
  Speaker 14: working in corporate environments where they had to minimize who
• 22:33
  Speaker 14: they were and their identity. And so there's nothing passive
• 22:37
  Speaker 14: about what we have to do to uplift our people, right,
• 22:39
  Speaker 14: So it's a double entendre. I want our people to
• 22:42
  Speaker 14: be more healthy. We do free mental health events, we
• 22:48
  Speaker 14: do physical activations where we're having people do yoga, sound, bath, meditation.
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: We're getting our people access to the things that they
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: need so that we can keep moving. That's the only
• 22:58
  Speaker 14: way the movement can keep going is if healthy enough
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: to keep moving. Right, So it's a double on times
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: where we're active where brand you know, there's no reason
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: why we shouldn't have our own Nike. That's what actively
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: Black is when we build this multi billion dollar brand,
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: it's not for my personal wealth.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It's for us to uplift our people. Actively black dot com.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Hell I want, I want, I want a brother sister.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Frederick could give them the museum websites, Yes, so people
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: can donate, well, you.
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: Can go to Cecil Williams Music. I'm sorry South Carolina
• 23:27
  Speaker 13: Civil Rights Museum. But we also have a way of
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: like PayPal and the email address there and several other ways.
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: But we're easily find We're again in the college town
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: of Orangebreak, South Carolina, and we need your supporter, even
• 23:43
  Speaker 13: dollars one dollar helps.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So please support us.
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: Right if you part gives, I want to make sure
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: you get this and then and then so so Frederick
• 23:52
  Speaker 14: could close us out, make sure you got that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: What's that what's the museum.
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: On Instagram is at the Black Panther Party Museum and
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: the Doctor Hue P. Newton Foundation celebrating thirty years this year.
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: Please come visit us in Oakland, California. Black Panther Party Museum.
• 24:09
  Speaker 16: We're open, I mean we're and we're packed. So this
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: month celebrates the Black Panther Party History Month and we're
• 24:16
  Speaker 16: full of celebrations.
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: So please visit us there. Thank you we can.
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: Also, I'm thank you for having us here. Fins Fist Saluta,
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: our fellow Palentist, Clint Fittsaluta actively Black the some of
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: fourth International Revolutionaire Day come to Chicago. Also the Hampton
• 24:32
  Speaker 15: House dot org. We get programs going to Childhood, Homer
• 24:35
  Speaker 15: Chamber of Friend Hampton and Maywood, Illinois Agattinghampton House dot org.
• 24:39
  Speaker 15: On the close out this quote, Bayck minuisester Doctor Ue P.
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: Newton pictures worth a thousand words, but action and supreme.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Well it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Thank you.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Guys, thank you so much.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Everybody's dj n V Jess Hilary Charlamage the guide.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Lawna roases here as well, and we got a special
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: guest in the building, civil rights activist, politics, diplomat and
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: pass the ladies and gentlemen.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: O G Andrew Young, Good morning, sir.
• 25:05
  Speaker 17: Good morning brother. I'm really glad to be here with you.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I'm long overdue, man, What are you telling I'm.
• 25:12
  Speaker 17: Gonna need I mean, I need to know where you are, yes, sir.
• 25:15
  Speaker 17: And I'm a look at the book and be honest
• 25:18
  Speaker 17: or dilay and I probably you know I need to
• 25:21
  Speaker 17: read that quickly.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: John O'Brien is here as well. John O'Brien, Good morning morning.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Mister.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Andrew Young had a new documentary i'll called The Dirty Work.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Why was it important for you to tell this part
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: of your story?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 25:40
  Speaker 17: Well, I'm telling my story and we see the glamor
• 25:46
  Speaker 17: of the civil rights movement, and it was very glamorous.
• 25:49
  Speaker 17: For every one or two you see on television, there
• 25:52
  Speaker 17: were five hundred to one thousand of us in the
• 25:54
  Speaker 17: background doing the dirty work. And it's the way I
• 25:58
  Speaker 17: got into it. I was at up here in New
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: York in nineteen fifty seven fifty eight and doctor King
• 26:08
  Speaker 17: needed somebody to move with him to Atlanta. My wife
• 26:13
  Speaker 17: was from Marrying, Alabama. Which was a little country town
• 26:17
  Speaker 17: near Selma, and we saw the NBC documentary on John
• 26:24
  Speaker 17: Lewis in the Nashville citing story. We just bought a
• 26:28
  Speaker 17: house out in Queen's and I was working up at
• 26:31
  Speaker 17: the National Council of Churches. And when the documentary came home,
• 26:35
  Speaker 17: my wife said it's time for us to go home.
• 26:39
  Speaker 17: I said, we are home. She said, no, this is
• 26:42
  Speaker 17: New York. It'll be my home. And I said, we
• 26:46
  Speaker 17: just bought this house. We got a good job. She said,
• 26:49
  Speaker 17: I'm going back to my mama in Alabama and I'm
• 26:52
  Speaker 17: taking my children. And I said, well, what do you
• 26:55
  Speaker 17: want me to do? She said, I want you to
• 26:56
  Speaker 17: sell this house and find a job down south. It
• 27:00
  Speaker 17: was the attraction of going back south that got me
• 27:06
  Speaker 17: back in the movement. And it was in that transition
• 27:08
  Speaker 17: Martin Luther King had just been stabbed and he took
• 27:12
  Speaker 17: New York. In New York, he took a month off
• 27:16
  Speaker 17: to go to India and was just coming back and
• 27:19
  Speaker 17: planning to move from Montgomery to Atlanta. So I ended
• 27:24
  Speaker 17: up getting pulled in to try to help him move.
• 27:28
  Speaker 17: And that was that was the dirty work. He needed
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: to be in a bigger city. Than Montgomery, and but
• 27:36
  Speaker 17: he couldn't afford to live in Atlanta except with his parents,
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: and so he was trying to raise funds. He never
• 27:43
  Speaker 17: had a million dollars a year to work with the
• 27:46
  Speaker 17: entire time we had the movement going, and so I
• 27:49
  Speaker 17: was trying to help him raise some funds and went
• 27:51
  Speaker 17: to my church of the United Church of Christ and
• 27:55
  Speaker 17: asked them. They founded a number of colleges, Howard and
• 28:01
  Speaker 17: Talladega to Galoo, all across the south, and so I said,
• 28:07
  Speaker 17: you know, if you would let us use some of
• 28:09
  Speaker 17: these properties or some of them, we could have a
• 28:14
  Speaker 17: movement southwide in a little of no time. And so
• 28:18
  Speaker 17: I was sort of being a bridge between him making
• 28:23
  Speaker 17: the transition to Montgomery and coming to Atlanta. I was
• 28:28
  Speaker 17: then moved from Atlanta back to I mean from New
• 28:33
  Speaker 17: York back to Atlanta. And the first job I got,
• 28:36
  Speaker 17: he was not there. His secretary said, well once she said,
• 28:41
  Speaker 17: my wife's in Alabama. She said, you can't be hanging
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: around here loose, said idle minders the devil's workshop, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 17: we got a whole lot of devils. And she said
• 28:55
  Speaker 17: you need something to do. I said, well, anything I
• 28:58
  Speaker 17: can do to help, and she gave me a great
• 29:00
  Speaker 17: big egg crate packed would letters. And so she said,
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: if you can help doctor King within his mail, that's
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: really if you want to get to know a company.
• 29:10
  Speaker 17: If somebody's coming in Ian wants to get to know it,
• 29:12
  Speaker 17: answer the mail, at least read it the mail, know
• 29:16
  Speaker 17: what's what's happening around. And so it gave me. I mean,
• 29:20
  Speaker 17: I ended up with the bucket of mail. And that
• 29:23
  Speaker 17: was sort of a dirty work.
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: So Charlottagne when he also when he went to go
• 29:28
  Speaker 12: get the job, when he went to South the stabb
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: didn't want them. Doctor King was out giving speeches and
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: on the road. The staff didn't want him. He was smart,
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: he was articulate. He was like, all the seats are taken,
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: we all get every good. They sent him packing. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: he came back with a grant. The grant was self
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: funded and it was for non violent education or something
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: like that. But he's funded it, Sally. So doctor King said,
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: you can sid you paid for it. You can sit
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: right over here.
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: Well, we've been paid for it. I don't only paid
• 30:00
  Speaker 17: for it. I brought access to all of those schools, yes,
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: from in North Carolina and King's Mountain Georgia, it was
• 30:10
  Speaker 17: Atlanta University. Alabama was two Galu Talladega Talladi and Alabama
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: and too Glue and Mississippi.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: But the key point of that in Bassie Young was
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: you won't take credit for this. He became the one
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: person nobody could fire, so he could speak truth to power.
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: We didn't anybody exactly because doctor King didn't like conflict.
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: You let me finish my point, Yes, sir, Doctoring didn't
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: like conflict, so he was a conflict man. So he
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: was the one inside the staff. You had crazy people
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: on the left and crazy folks sort of over here
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: trying to do revolutions. Doctor King didn't want conflict, so
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: he would expecting Bassi Young to.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Knock his inside. That's it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: And when he came in, he wanted it to be resolved.
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: And so he was a resolution manager inside the movement
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: and outside of the Again, he doesn't take credit for it,
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: but that that really became one of his magic pieces
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: was that he was an independent thinker, just like you are.
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: Just like all you guys are independent thinkers.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: They get that, right. I guess.
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: You know the thing is that I left Howard and
• 31:17
  Speaker 17: I really well, I really up three and a half years. See,
• 31:23
  Speaker 17: but I somehow got a degree. And because I was
• 31:28
  Speaker 17: playing around, wasn't studying. I was trying to make the
• 31:31
  Speaker 17: swimming team, and so I was trying to get on
• 31:35
  Speaker 17: the girls. And I wasn't making any broadras at all,
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: you know, from New Orleans, and I got along with people,
• 31:45
  Speaker 17: but I was I was trying to grow up. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 17: when I got came left Howard and we stopped that
• 31:53
  Speaker 17: you couldn't had no hotels in letters ter. We stopped
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: at a King's Mountain, North Carolina, where we had a
• 32:02
  Speaker 17: church conference going on, and I decided to run up
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: the mountain. Somewhere along there, I kind of blacked out.
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: I looked around and everything seemed perfect.
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: It was a perfect sky, perfect corn field. The green
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: trees were sparkling, and I said, damn everything. He has
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: got a purpose but me and I said, I cannot
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: be put here on this eort with no purpose at all.
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: And how do I find a purpose? Well, what I
• 32:35
  Speaker 17: came to was if there's something that I think needs
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: doing and nobody wants to do it, that becomes my purpose.
• 32:42
  Speaker 17: So I was looking for stuff that needed to be
• 32:45
  Speaker 17: done that nobody wanted to do.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: It's such an interesting perspective when you talk about, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: purpose to John, because in my mind, you know, I
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: always thought the purpose was the liberation of black people.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: But you're always just looking for something, a purpose within yourself.
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: So let's let's get some into real talk. He's got
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: survivor's guilt. He doesn't sleep. He's always working because he
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: was on that balcony when doctor King was assassinated. The
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: FBI told him the instructions for the shooter. If you missed,
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: the dreamer killed the strategist. He's been this all this time.
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: You an ambassador, first black un ambassador to history the
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: United States under Carter, first congressman since reconstruction in the South,
• 33:28
  Speaker 12: brought the Atlantic, the Olympics to the Atlanta, made Atlanta
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: International City, Mayor, Presidential Medal of Frema Wardee French Foreign
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: Legion Aboardee one hundred and fifty Honorary doctor degrees, brought
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: a venture capital of Africa, liberated Zimbabwe, helped get Mandela
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: out of prison. But underneath all this, I'm here because
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: my friend was a shot, so he couldn't enjoy any
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: of it. He give all his money away. He's been
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: a servant his whole life, and he is He's the
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: closest thing we have to Nelson Mandela.
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: Everybody plays a role in movement, is what I've always
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: heard and learned. I feel like today when we talk
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: about the boycotts, that that we're trying to do actively,
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: there's no real roles.
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: We don't take one thing serious.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: We might take the other one serious because there's there's
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: no structure, there's no how did you get people to
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: fall along, even though not everybody growth.
• 34:17
  Speaker 17: Everybody used to go to church back then, and radio
• 34:20
  Speaker 17: black radio was owned by white folks, and they would
• 34:24
  Speaker 17: play the music, but we'd have to slip in an announcement,
• 34:30
  Speaker 17: there's going to be a certain meeting that you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 17: such and such a Baptist church or such and such
• 34:36
  Speaker 17: a Methodist church. And they finally even stopped them from
• 34:40
  Speaker 17: from doing announcements. So it went by word of mouth.
• 34:45
  Speaker 17: We knew that every night we'd have a mass meeting
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: at some church in some neighborhood, and people would get
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: together about five o'clock and they sing these old songs
• 34:57
  Speaker 17: that the young folk then came in and modified freedom songs.
• 35:01
  Speaker 17: Then the preachers would come in and preach a little
• 35:03
  Speaker 17: bit and tell what's going on. But it was all
• 35:07
  Speaker 17: around the church, and in the daytime when the churches
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: were not operating, the kids went to the schools and
• 35:18
  Speaker 17: the guys who were hanging out at the pool hall,
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: we'd stop by there. In fact, doctor King was very
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: good pool played. Grew up in the YMCA, and he
• 35:27
  Speaker 17: could get everybody's attention because he would go into a
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: pool hall and challenge the guys that can I take
• 35:34
  Speaker 17: the winner? And after they saw he was he could
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: run the table. They listened to him, and it was
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: finding a way to get to people where they are
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: and they would really say, I'm ready to die for
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: my people. It was the threat of death to almost
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: every black man in the South until just recently, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 17: it's coming back now. It's more organized now. The only
• 36:03
  Speaker 17: person who would talk about it openly was Martin Luther King,
• 36:07
  Speaker 17: and he said, now, you know, if we go messing
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: with Birmingham, some of us ain't gonna come back. Now
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: he knew he was the one most likely targeted, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 17: I mean, he'd make a joke out of it, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 17: he had a real good sense of humor. He said, John,
• 36:25
  Speaker 17: it might be your turn, but it's gonna be one
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: of the hardest things I ever do, but I'll try
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: my best to preach your ass into heaven. And then
• 36:38
  Speaker 17: he'd start preaching all the things that I pick on
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: him about, see and he would say things you didn't
• 36:45
  Speaker 17: know he knew about you, and he'd ask God to
• 36:49
  Speaker 17: forgive you and please let him into heaven. You know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 17: I mean, really, he really turned your death into a comedy.
• 36:59
  Speaker 17: It was a district.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Now, if you're just joining us, we're still talking with
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Andrew Young, civil rights activist, politician work very closely.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: To Martin Luther King junior Charlamagne.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: The fact that people knew that they could potentially die
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: is still were willing to make that sacrifice is what
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I think is missing now.
• 37:16
  Speaker 17: You shouldn't be willing to make the sacrifice. You should
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: be willing to take your time and assume that you
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: can make the world rights and you don't have to die.
• 37:29
  Speaker 17: And we maybe have made it too difficult. Most of
• 37:33
  Speaker 17: the people who died, we can remember their names, but
• 37:39
  Speaker 17: they're literally millions. Like Martin Luther King got stabbed by
• 37:45
  Speaker 17: black women up here in Harlem and the well a
• 37:51
  Speaker 17: letter opener, and a letter opener was pressing on the
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: a order of his heart, and they said, if he
• 37:59
  Speaker 17: had sneezed, he probably would have died. And he talked
• 38:04
  Speaker 17: about that all the time. But what he talked about,
• 38:06
  Speaker 17: he said, but he got a letter this girl said,
• 38:10
  Speaker 17: I am eleven years old and it shouldn't matter, but
• 38:15
  Speaker 17: I happened to be white, and I just want to
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: thank you and thank God that you did not sneeze.
• 38:23
  Speaker 17: And he would talk. He talked about that all the
• 38:25
  Speaker 17: time because it represented the fact that there's still many,
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: many good people. And you shouldn't believe that the whole
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: world is going to hell at a handbasket. See that
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: right now, even right now, right now, the whole world
• 38:46
  Speaker 17: is not going to hell in a hand basket.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: In the doc, you said, after Martin Luther King Junior
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: got shot, you knew there was no hope.
• 38:53
  Speaker 17: I knew that it was going to be hard, but
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: I really my mama used to make me go to
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: Sunday school and and they one time they were talking
• 39:04
  Speaker 17: about Elijah going to heaven and a flaming chariot. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: I was about nine years old, and I said, I
• 39:11
  Speaker 17: don't believe that they put me out of center school.
• 39:15
  Speaker 17: But I never forgot that, and that's what I thought
• 39:18
  Speaker 17: when I saw Martin laying there one I said, he
• 39:22
  Speaker 17: probably didn't even hear that shot. The bullet Pollerce travels
• 39:26
  Speaker 17: fast to the speed of sound, so it hit him
• 39:30
  Speaker 17: right in his and severed his spinal cord, so he
• 39:35
  Speaker 17: probably never heard it. He probably never felt any pain,
• 39:40
  Speaker 17: and he was dead instantly. And the thing that occurred
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: to me then was, damn, my brother done gone to
• 39:47
  Speaker 17: heaven and a flaming chariot and all the all of
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: the spirituals talk about, you know, steal away, steal away
• 39:56
  Speaker 17: to Jesus, and I just felt that he'd gone home
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: to the Lord and and left me here. But I knew,
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: and I still know that there's hardly a day that
• 40:14
  Speaker 17: I don't talk about him and learn or remember something
• 40:19
  Speaker 17: that he said in a similar situation. And I passed
• 40:23
  Speaker 17: that on to my children, but to all children. And
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: it's one of the reasons why I'm really grateful to
• 40:32
  Speaker 17: those folk. And John is one of them that put
• 40:35
  Speaker 17: together money to tell this story, because all the books
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: that were written by the movement are big, big books,
• 40:42
  Speaker 17: and and we don't read, we don't keep still that long.
• 40:46
  Speaker 17: So the mass media, radio and television is still our
• 40:51
  Speaker 17: means of communication, and it's why you play such an
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: important part in our community and why I had I mean,
• 40:59
  Speaker 17: I was in a meeting last night till ten o'clock,
• 41:02
  Speaker 17: went home, got me a few hours sleep, got up
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: at four o'clock in the morning, got on a plane,
• 41:08
  Speaker 17: and came up back here because I wasn't coming to
• 41:12
  Speaker 17: talk to you all. You talk to more people than
• 41:16
  Speaker 17: anybody I know. And when John said he's going to
• 41:19
  Speaker 17: let you talk to his people, I said, thank you Jesus.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: No, he's a privilege man. Well, but it's a privilege
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Do you think we've honored doctor King's legacy or just
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: branded it?
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: No.
• 41:32
  Speaker 17: I don't think there's anybody anybody around that doesn't respect
• 41:37
  Speaker 17: what he did and what he gave his life for.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: I think he is a sacred personality in our history.
• 41:47
  Speaker 17: But everyone is like that. I mean, Christmas Attics. I
• 41:52
  Speaker 17: knew about him. He's the first black man, first man
• 41:55
  Speaker 17: to die for this country in Massachusetts, and he's black.
• 42:00
  Speaker 17: This country would not be what it is without us.
• 42:05
  Speaker 17: And I think Martin Luther King represents the best of us,
• 42:10
  Speaker 17: but he ain't the only one of us that there
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: were people around him, and only a half a dozen
• 42:18
  Speaker 17: of us have been to college. I mean, most of
• 42:21
  Speaker 17: us learn learn from the streets, and they learned from
• 42:26
  Speaker 17: our experiences. But the I mean Louis Armstrong grew up
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: in my neighborhood in New Orleans. He didn't I don't
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: think anybody ever gave him trumpet lessons. He just picked
• 42:38
  Speaker 17: up the thing and made it blow. And and the
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: thing that I'd like to remind people is that he's
• 42:46
  Speaker 17: a man who grew up in one of the poorest
• 42:48
  Speaker 17: neighborhoods in New Orleans, and he sings It's a wonderful world.
• 42:55
  Speaker 17: And there's Ray Charles who's blind, and there's a big
• 43:00
  Speaker 17: piano out in all ben and Georgia where he grew up,
• 43:04
  Speaker 17: and he sings America the Beautiful. But he doesn't start
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: with though, but the spacious skies. He starts with a
• 43:12
  Speaker 17: little beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife, who more
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: than self their country loved and mercy modern life. And
• 43:23
  Speaker 17: we take the history of this country and the history
• 43:26
  Speaker 17: of this planet and we turn it into a piece
• 43:30
  Speaker 17: of music or a symbol of grace. If we do something,
• 43:34
  Speaker 17: we do it with style, you know, and it's and
• 43:40
  Speaker 17: no matter what it is, we do it better.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: What was the issue, the real issue between Martin Luther
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: King Jr.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And Malcolm X.
• 43:52
  Speaker 17: You know, there was no issue. The difference was that
• 43:58
  Speaker 17: Martin Luther King learned in coll Malcolm X learned in jail.
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: But Malcolm X read the Dictionary and the Bible. Say,
• 44:09
  Speaker 17: and when Martin came back with the Nobel Prize, we
• 44:14
  Speaker 17: worked in Harlem and the Armory. And when we came
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: in the back door, who was standing act in the
• 44:22
  Speaker 17: back door with Malcolm X. Two people, Malcolm X and
• 44:26
  Speaker 17: Nelson Rockefeller. And Malcolm X said, I just wanted to
• 44:30
  Speaker 17: thank you for all that you've done, and I want
• 44:33
  Speaker 17: you to know that I am with you in anything
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: you want me to do. But I think that it's
• 44:39
  Speaker 17: probably better strategy if you and I don't seem to
• 44:43
  Speaker 17: be so close, and said, that's why I'm not going
• 44:48
  Speaker 17: to come in there with you in public.
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: He wasn't trying to profile.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Disparage Malcolm.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You see disparage Martin publicly sometimes though we'll call him
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Uncle Tom.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: That was his brand.
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: It wasn't. It wasn't Malcolm so much as it was
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: that whole whole crowd around Elijah Muhammad.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Now, but Martin was close to Elijah too.
• 45:11
  Speaker 17: It seems like I know, well, because we're unable because
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: when we came to if we went into town, like
• 45:20
  Speaker 17: when we went to Chicago, we got all the big
• 45:24
  Speaker 17: preachers together and and got them to agree that we
• 45:30
  Speaker 17: would be there with them and that they could tell
• 45:33
  Speaker 17: us what they wanted us to do. Now, some didn't
• 45:36
  Speaker 17: like it, and some just didn't want anybody to have
• 45:41
  Speaker 17: a profile but them, and we just went on around them.
• 45:46
  Speaker 12: By the way, when he became mayor, just the point
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: about playing people playing their roles. When he became mayor
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: of Atlanta, the civil rights leaders his friends. The second
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: day he was mayor, they picketed him. So he went
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: outside and said, what are you guys doing. They said, well,
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: you're the mayor now, so you got your job, we
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: got ours. And he accepted that. So Malcolm was playing
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: his lane, is playing his role publicly, but privately he
• 46:09
  Speaker 12: respected doctor King.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: Now, if you're just joining us, we're still talking with
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Andrew Young, civil.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Rights activist, politician work very closely to Martin Luther King Junior, Charlomagne.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: If the dirty work documentary could teach one lesson to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: this generation and the next generation, or organizes what would
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you want it to be.
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: There is some dirty work in any struggle for freedom.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: But dirty work could be hard work.
• 46:33
  Speaker 17: Dirty work could be thoughtful work, you know, whatever nobody
• 46:36
  Speaker 17: else wants to do. Like we didn't want to mess
• 46:39
  Speaker 17: with money, and John decided that he was going to
• 46:42
  Speaker 17: teach folk how to that you can't be free without voting,
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: but neither can you be free of you broke. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: so teaching people how to manage money, how to save money,
• 46:53
  Speaker 17: how to invest money, how to know the meaning of
• 46:59
  Speaker 17: money to your salvation and survival. That's another issue altogether,
• 47:05
  Speaker 17: but communications is an issue.
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: And so don't be afraid of doing the dirty work.
• 47:12
  Speaker 12: Embrace it it is. It's noble work. It's not dirty work, yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: is that right?
• 47:17
  Speaker 17: That's not only is it noble work? Is is the
• 47:21
  Speaker 17: kind of work that that has to be done.
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: So when when when Charlemagne was doing that internship way
• 47:28
  Speaker 12: back when, and that in that first radio program, and
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: when people noticed you that was the dirty work. Absolutely,
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: I'm sure you've done dirty work in your career. You've
• 47:38
  Speaker 12: always not been both of you and I always been
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: sitting here at prime time. You've had to hustle, You've
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: had to do things and jobs nobody else wanted.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I still do the dirty work now maybe.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Needbe.
• 47:50
  Speaker 12: And the work you're doing with with mental health, the foundation,
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: you're doing the stuff that nobody sees. The conversation that
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: we have that at two in the morning about about
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: life in general, all that's the dirty work. And raising
• 48:05
  Speaker 12: your children is the most honorable version, raising your pain,
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: paying school fees, like, we've got to be about the basics.
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: We got to get back to the basics and be
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: about we and not just about me. That's really who
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: he is. And I spent most of his interview trying
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: to draw him out. You can see him.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: This is good. John O'Brien, thank you for bringing this, this,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: this walking memorial, this iconic, this icon living. Mister Andrew Young,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: thank you for coming, brother, Thank you for having men.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: That's right and check out the dirty work on What's.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: A PEAKBC globally on MSNBC globally.
• 48:43
  Speaker 17: Thank you, brother, thank you, and thank all of your audience. Yes, sir,
• 48:49
  Speaker 17: this is college on the radio.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I like that. That's a word.
• 48:55
  Speaker 17: If you didn't have money to go to college listening.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, thank you the breakfast Club.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Some Donkey Today's just shimself ready for I never heard
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: them Donkey Day again, Arlac, you are.
• 49:21
  Speaker 15: Charlotte Lane.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Say it's true.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, Donkey Today goes to a sixty three year old
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Florida woman named Marina go Naga. Now, what does your
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: uncle Shalla always tell you about the great state of Florida?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Say it with me.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: The crazy at people in America come from the Bronx
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and all of Florida, and today is no exception. Even
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: though I'm not gonna lie. Okay, Marina did something that
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I always tell y'all to do. I'll always tell y'all
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to do your prison math. Okay, do your jail math.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Before you do something, before you jump out the window
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and commit a crime, always ask yourself how.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Much is this going to cost you? Okay? Everything from
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: bond to lawyer and.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Especially their time. If you're sinners, can you afford to
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: do what it is you're.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: About to do? Now?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Some people just move off of motion and they just
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: act okay, they just go. But some people move off strategy.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: They ask questions, they playing things out. Those are the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: people that I respect. Those are the people that are
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: truly dangerous. You're now in the comic book world. We
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: say Batman can beat anyone with prep time. That's how
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I feel about people who prep before they do a
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: crime and calculate the prison math in their head. Okay,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: they calculate the jail math in their heads. See, there
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: is a part of me who respects what Marina did,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: even though she's dead.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Wrong.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, damn it, uncle Charlotte, the suspensions killing me.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Will you tell me what she did already?
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: According to an arrest of Affidavid obtained by Law and Crime,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: an officer was dispatched to an undisclosed location to respond
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to an argument between two people regarding stolen property.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: When the cops got there, Marina told them she came
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to the location to retrieve stolen shoes from a seventy
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: two year old unidentified and at some point during the encounter,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Marina allegedly turned to an officer and asked them in Spanish,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: how much would the bond be if I smacked her?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: See this is Batman prepping once again. She turned to
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: the officer and asked the officer how much would the
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: bond be if I smacked her. Now, it doesn't say
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: what the officer responded, but Marina must have thought she
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: could afford it because she walked up to the seventy
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: three year old and proceeded to smack him in the face. Okay,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: see one thing about me. I respect everybody's choices. I
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: may not agree with the choice you make, but I
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: respect when someone makes a calculated choice, because when you
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: choose to do something, then to me, you have also
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: chosen the consequences of what comes with that choice.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Marina did her dirt in front of the police.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: She even asked the officer how much would the bond
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: be if I smacked her? And then she went and
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: handled her business, So that means she got to handle
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: these consequences, okay, the same way. Now, what I don't
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: respect is that the person she smacked was seventy two.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Now seventy two not the same seventy two. It used
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: to be a lot of these seventy two year olds
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: got that elder script. They will put you on your ass,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: but that is still considered elderly. And Marina, you sixty three, okay,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: even though you can get you know, discounted meals that
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I hop there's absolutely no reason for you to be
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: smacking a seventy two year old person in the face
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: over no damn stolen shoes.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: See.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I respect you being cold and calculated and making a choice,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: but over some damn shoes. I need to know what
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: kind of shoes they were. Okay, person was seventy two,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: so I know they ain't no heat. Okay, if they
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: weren't Michael Jordan's nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals, the Air
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Jordan thirteen's, or the Nike Air Yeezy one prototypes, I
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: don't see the point of the smack.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, well they did a Nike Back to.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: The Future joints, the Flu Game, Jordan's, and I'm talking
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: about the ones Michael actually wore in the game. If not,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I don't see what shoes could be worth it between
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: the sixty three year old and the seventy two year old.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't the shoes, Maybe it was the principal.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is when you make decisions like this,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: at least let it be worth it, especially when you're
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: already out on bond for resisting arrests and battery on
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: a law enforcement officer.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't tell y'all that part. Damn Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Marina was out on bond for resisting arrest and battery
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: on a law enforcement officer, but that didn't stop her
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: from doing some prison math, doing some jail math in
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: her head and calculating that smacking this seventy two year
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: old woman was absolutely worth it. Her bomb was one
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. But you still have to factor in, you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: fighting the case. And something tells me that she cannot
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: afford an attorney, but one will be provided for her.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Please let Marina go Naga, get the sweet out of
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: the Hamiltons.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: You oh the day, oh the day.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Ye always do your jail math, ladies and gentlemen.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, jail math is probably the easiest math to do nowadays.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I know that math that my kids be bringing home
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: is complicated. But when you're in a situation, all you
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: got to do is just think about it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Is it worth it?
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Can I afford to do what it is I'm about
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: to do. I like the question.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I like that question. How much would I get if
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I you know? How much? Already? You got to calculate
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a little different.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: But anyway, She's like, ah, you know, because I'm already
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: up and you know I'm already in the rear.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: What's another couple of stacks if I smack her, because
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: you know she needs to be smacked. Now, I don't
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: respect her smacking and elderly.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: She's elderly too, but just not on the same elderly Yeah,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: you know level.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, she made a calculated decision, calculating choice.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: So all I ever ask of yall is to do
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: your jail math if you feel like you can afford it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Handy your business in the dis koind of Ip is
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: fifty five and plus when you fifty five, that's me
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: the discount.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: She's sixty three. She's sixty three, so she knows a
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Discount's got check just in case. All right, well that
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: thank you for that donkey.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Today morning, everybody, it's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Da Gott.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: We are the Breakfast Club Lawn the Roses here as well,
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: and we have a special guest in the building, CNN anchor,
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: senior political correspondent and hosts of Newsnight with Abby Phillip.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Abby Phillip, how are you? I am good.
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: I'm good. I'm hanging in there.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: New books out, but Dream the third Jesse Jackson in
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: the Fight for Black Political Power. I'm from South Carolina,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: so I completely understand Jesse Jackson, and you know why
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: he deserves all all the praise. But why did you
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: decide to write this book?
• 55:39
  Speaker 18: I think that there are a lot of people who
• 55:43
  Speaker 18: have no idea that he ran for president, honestly, and
• 55:46
  Speaker 18: they don't And if they know that he ran for president,
• 55:49
  Speaker 18: they probably don't have any idea that he came second
• 55:54
  Speaker 18: in the Democratic nomination in nineteen eighty eight, so he
• 55:57
  Speaker 18: was the runner up, and before Obama there was Jesse Jackson.
• 56:02
  Speaker 18: And I think this chapter really is more important now
• 56:07
  Speaker 18: than ever. Back in the eighties, I think people didn't
• 56:09
  Speaker 18: have any way to know that what Jesse Jackson did
• 56:13
  Speaker 18: really mattered in the long term, but it clearly mattered
• 56:17
  Speaker 18: because had he not run, Obama wouldn't have been the nominee.
• 56:20
  Speaker 18: Had he not run, I don't know that you would
• 56:23
  Speaker 18: have like a Bernie Sanders or an AOC or even
• 56:26
  Speaker 18: a Zoron Mamdani. I mean, these are people who are
• 56:29
  Speaker 18: running on basically the same platform that Jesse Jackson ran on,
• 56:34
  Speaker 18: and he really transformed Democratic politics, not to mention registering
• 56:39
  Speaker 18: millions of voters and putting in place a lot of
• 56:43
  Speaker 18: the people that you know, people like Donna Brazil, Mignon Moore,
• 56:46
  Speaker 18: and so many others who are leaders in the Democratic Party,
• 56:50
  Speaker 18: they are all there because of Jesse Jackson. And the
• 56:53
  Speaker 18: back of your book, the praises, Yeah, you say, like
• 56:56
  Speaker 18: the first one talks about how he doesn't tell Jesse
• 56:58
  Speaker 18: Jenson doesn't get credit for how influential on American politics
• 57:02
  Speaker 18: as he was. What credit do you want people to
• 57:04
  Speaker 18: give him after they read your book?
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 57:06
  Speaker 18: I mean, I think that he transformed the structure of
• 57:09
  Speaker 18: the Democratic Party that made it easier for outsiders to
• 57:13
  Speaker 18: come in and disrupt the system.
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: I think that's really what his original goal was.
• 57:18
  Speaker 18: When he was running for president, he was basically saying
• 57:20
  Speaker 18: to the Democratic Party, you have to take us seriously
• 57:24
  Speaker 18: as black voters, and not just black voters, but all
• 57:28
  Speaker 18: kinds of other voters. He brought Arab Americans into the
• 57:31
  Speaker 18: voting process. He insisted on women being on the ticket.
• 57:36
  Speaker 18: That's why Democrats had a woman on the ticket in
• 57:38
  Speaker 18: nineteen eighty four. He insisted on Asian Americans being part
• 57:43
  Speaker 18: of the political process. So what he was arguing for
• 57:48
  Speaker 18: was a political system that actually takes everybody seriously. And
• 57:53
  Speaker 18: I do think we're closer to that now than we
• 57:55
  Speaker 18: were in the eighties, and he.
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: Deserves a lot of credit for that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 18: But I also think, you know, this is not about
• 58:01
  Speaker 18: any kind of judgment about what you know or don't
• 58:03
  Speaker 18: know about this particular chapter of history. But it's important
• 58:08
  Speaker 18: to know that Jesse Jackson, like so many other of
• 58:12
  Speaker 18: these leaders in our history, they had a lot of chapters,
• 58:16
  Speaker 18: and this was a really significant chapter. I mean, he
• 58:20
  Speaker 18: ran for president two times, he almost won the nomination.
• 58:24
  Speaker 18: During one of these campaigns, he went to Syria and
• 58:28
  Speaker 18: Cuba and brought prisoners of war back to the United States.
• 58:32
  Speaker 18: I mean, he was doing a lot of things that
• 58:34
  Speaker 18: if candidates were doing that today, we would be like,
• 58:38
  Speaker 18: what is that real? But he doesn't get a lot
• 58:41
  Speaker 18: of credit for and I think a lot of it
• 58:43
  Speaker 18: is because it was the first time that so many
• 58:45
  Speaker 18: Americans had ever seen a black man try to do
• 58:48
  Speaker 18: what he did. And I think it's important to remember
• 58:51
  Speaker 18: how much of a you know, just a barrier breaker
• 58:54
  Speaker 18: he was at that time.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: What was the single biggest myth or misconception you discovered
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: in you're reporting about either of those campaigns that you
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: wanted to correct, that.
• 59:03
  Speaker 18: He was only running as a black candidate for black voters.
• 59:07
  Speaker 18: I think that's the biggest misconception. He was obviously very interested,
• 59:12
  Speaker 18: motivated by the desire to make sure that black people
• 59:19
  Speaker 18: utilize their power, not just cast a ballot, but had
• 59:22
  Speaker 18: leverage to get changes on the platform, policy things that
• 59:27
  Speaker 18: mattered to their day to day lives. But he was
• 59:30
  Speaker 18: also in Missouri with white farmers. He was also in
• 59:35
  Speaker 18: San Francisco with Asian American activists he had. That's why
• 59:40
  Speaker 18: he called it the Rainbow Coalition. I think people remember
• 59:43
  Speaker 18: him as being the candidate for black people, but he
• 59:46
  Speaker 18: actually brought, as he said he would, a rainbow of
• 59:50
  Speaker 18: people into the political process. And he does not get
• 59:54
  Speaker 18: very much credit for how much appeal he had among
• 59:58
  Speaker 18: white voters, especially when he ran the second time around.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 18: There's this great picture I have in the book of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 18: him at a rally with a bunch of white farmers
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 18: in like their overalls, and they all have paper bags
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 18: on their heads with their eyes cut off because they're
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 18: they're trying to hide their faces from the FEDS who
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 18: were trying to basically foreclose on their farms, and there's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 18: Jesse Jackson in the background with all of these white
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 18: people rallying alongside them, and that's, for me, an iconic
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 18: photo that kind of shows that he had the same
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 18: energy for our community as he did for all of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 18: those other people, and he was arguing to them, look,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 18: we have the people who are trying to divide us
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 18: along racial lines, are trying to make you think that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 18: you don't have as much in common as a working
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 18: class black person, and that's a lie. And then a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 18: lot of people diminish that part of his campaign because
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 18: it's easier to sort of just put him in a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 18: box of, oh.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: He was just a black candidate for black people.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Because you know, you talk about a lot in the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: book about the unlikely coalition he put together. It seems
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: unlikely back then, but now it's like the norm. Right,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: exactly the President Obama did or what VB tried to do.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I mean all candidates try to do it. Where did
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: he fall short back?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Didn't you think?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: There were a lot of things that happened.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 18: I think some of them were his own mistakes, and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 18: I write about those in the book.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: I mean, he had a very big controversy.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Well, the Jewistler.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 18: Yeah, he used to a slur against Jews in private,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 18: and then it became public and he had a hard
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 18: time figuring out how to deal with it and was
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 18: slow in addressing it, and that really dogged him for
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 18: the especially for the nineteen eighty four campaign, but it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 18: had an impact on eighty eight too.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: I think the other part of.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 18: It was that he was a true outsider candidate. He
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 18: had almost no establishment support. You know, he was like
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 18: what Bernie Sanders was in twenty sixteen, where nobody wanted
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 18: to touch him among establishment Democrats, and so it was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 18: harder for him to build a real campaign that had
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 18: the infrastructure that he needed to take advantage of the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 18: momentum when he did encounter momentum. But I would say
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 18: the other thing is that he was completely discounted as
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 18: a candidate. I mean I went back and I read
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 18: virtually everything that was written about Jesse Jackson in those
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 18: two campaigns, and the way they talked about him as
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 18: if he was a gadfly candidate is you know, they
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 18: really did not take him seriously in the media, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 18: back in that time, there was no way to bypass
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 18: the mainstream media. And I do think a lot of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 18: times if he were running today, I mean, he was
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 18: such a master of the press, of narrative, of really
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 18: breaking through, but there was no Internet, and if he
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 18: had had that, I think it would have been a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 18: different story because so much of his message just never
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 18: got to people.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: I we have more with Abbey Phillip when we come back,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: moves to Breakfast Club.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Good Morning.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: It's so silly and mead and let's got lead you back.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 19: Went up or I can think about it since I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 19: see you, least I know.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 10: I didn't have to walk a play. All I had to.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Do was ask for space.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 19: I'm telling you beyond you quay when I told.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: You to fall back?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 19: So can you compick up your colza folding open and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 19: no bas cold? But it is not Susan compick your coat.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Morning.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess hilarious, Charlomagne the gud we
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: are to Breakfast Club, Lona Roses here as well. We're
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: still kicking with seeing an anchor and host of Newsnight
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: with Abbey Phillip.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Abbey Phillips, Charlamagne.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: One of the few black women on cable news with
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: their own show, especially you, because you know you have
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: your own Ringbow Collision that you bring together every night
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: with all of these different voices. Do you feel like
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: you get a lot of that, a lot of criticism.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 18: Look, I don't want people to misunderstand this. I am
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 18: not at all saying that I am at the caliber
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 18: of people like Jesse or anybody else who's really putting
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 18: their body on the line to make the world a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 18: better place.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: However, what you do is important.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: But I play a role, like.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 18: We all have a role, and this is mine and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 18: I and and in a way, yeah, people are very
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 18: easy to be like, well, she shouldn't give this person
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 18: a platform, she shouldn't do this, she shouldn't do that.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 18: And I do think it's super easy to say that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 18: when you're just at home, like watching the clips on
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 18: your phone. And I've been covering politics a long time.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 18: This is a time in our political life where we
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 18: have to really know what's going on, and we have
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 18: to know what everybody is saying on all sides of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 18: the issue, because I don't think that ignorance has served
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 18: anybody well. And particularly I get a lot of criticism
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 18: from the left, from people who are like, why does
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 18: she have maga people on the show? And it's like, well,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 18: you should know what they're saying, because just so you know,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 18: half the country voted for Trump and for trump Ism,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 18: and it's not helpful to be completely unaware of what
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 18: is happening in those media ecosystems. So I personally think
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 18: it's super important and I want the debate, like we
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 18: need to have that debate. I want it to be
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 18: right there, out in the open. And I also think
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 18: that it's important for people on both sides to practice
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 18: being challenged, because what we've found on the show is
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 18: that a lot of people are not used to being challenged.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 18: And when they when they have somebody literally staring them
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 18: in the face saying I disagree with you, for some people,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 18: they're like really taken aback, Like they don't really know
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 18: how to deal with that, how to counter it, how
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 18: to be quick, how to respond. And I think that
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 18: is a really important skill in our politics, that we
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 18: can go back and forth on the issues and we
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 18: can really hash it out. And I, you know, I'll
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 18: take the criticism from all sides, but I am very
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 18: proud of what we do because I think that very
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 18: few people are willing to do it.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 9: Very few people are willing to take the chance of.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 18: Even being criticized, and I don't mind it, like that's
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 18: part of the job.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: What about because I know with your show there's some
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: moments that are like very hard hitting, right, what about
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: when that becomes like too much for you? Because I've
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: seen people step away from those debate style shows because
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: it personally becomes too much and is triggering for them,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: especially for black women. How do you kind of cause
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 10: you get back up and do it again the next day,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 10: Like what is your.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: That's my responsibility.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 18: I unfortunately can't step away, but I understand when people do,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 18: and I actually think that is totally good and healthy.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 18: I think it's important to know your limits. And you
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 18: know what the good news about me not being able
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 18: to step away so that it's my show and I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 18: can draw the lines when I need to draw the lines,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 18: and if you watch, as I know you do, like
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 18: you've seen the times when I've had to draw some
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 18: lines at the table and I don't do it that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 18: often because I wanted to be not that common because
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 18: when I do, it's like when your mom, you know,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 18: really tells you it's time to stop that's kind of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 18: how I want it to be, where it's not like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 18: that happens all the time. But you know that when
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 18: I've reached my limit, it's the end, that's the limit.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 18: And I think that's that I can because I'm the host.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 18: I can draw those lines around the kind of conduct
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 18: that I will accept.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: At the table.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 18: And I have control over who shows up and who doesn't.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 18: And so for me, I take that on the weight
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 18: of having to show up every single day. But I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 18: don't discount any person saying I need to take a break,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 18: I need a moment, because I think that's actually healthy
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 18: for all of us, that we we should take care
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 18: of ourselves and our own well being even while we
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 18: try to stay engaged. And I fully, I fully support
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 18: that and I and I also will say Lauren that
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  Speaker 18: I think there are definitely people who cross the line
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 18: and that's part of the dynamic that is not within
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 18: our control. And and that's okay. I mean, well, look,
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  Speaker 18: I mean the more maybe the most famous one was that.
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  Speaker 7: You cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery did just
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: one race, which is pretty much what every single exhibit does.
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  Speaker 1: But why is this in the Smithsonian so it's Look,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's.
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  Speaker 9: Been completely captured. It's totally We don't have time to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: litigate because.
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  Speaker 1: The argument everything is racialized, just like you're trying to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: do to me.
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  Speaker 18: Now, you brought up slavery, and you brought up you
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 18: did you brought up one question of whether or not
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 18: slavery in the United States is about race?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: The answer is no, idea.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: The state straw because that's not what I said.
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  Speaker 18: So what are you Well, yeah, there was Jillian Michaels,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 18: but I you know, you know, I'll say, honestly, Jillian
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 18: Michaels crossed the line in the sense that she said
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 18: something that was kind of embarrassing, and we addressed it,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 18: but we never said to her, you're not welcome back.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think.
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  Speaker 18: I just think, yeah, that's her. She made a decision
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 18: not to want to come back. But yeah, she The
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 18: thing about that was that she actually was talking about
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 18: something that was important for us for people to be
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 18: aware of was actually happening. Because right after she said
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 18: what she said about slavery and how it's overemphasized at
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 18: museums and then the Smithsonian, guess who said the same thing,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 18: the President, So if you had watched our show a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 18: couple of days before, you would have known what was coming.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 18: And it's not just that she said it, but President
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 18: said it, and then it it actually became the policy
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 18: that they're trying to implement at the White House. So
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 18: I thought it was actually super important that that was
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 18: put out there, because I think people were not aware
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 18: of the extent to which slavery was the core thing
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 18: that they were mad about in terms of how it
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 18: was being represented in our museums. So she again, I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 18: think you're right, Like I don't think that we I
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 18: just would describe that as crossing the line, but we
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 18: addressed it as an important conversation that needed to be
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 18: factually addressed. But there was another incident with a person
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 18: who was on the show who said to another guest
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 18: that a Muslim guest that their pager would go off
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 18: to medi It was a reference to the Israeli They
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 18: had like put bomb materials in pagers of the Huthi
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 18: terrorists and they went off.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to be called Nazis, stop people
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: by me. I never cluse you, anyswer.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm not saying or saying.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a subpart of the Pupestinians. I'm used to it. Well,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I hope your paper doesn't go off. The thing is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: is that you should not know you should be kill No,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I did not say.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 18: That that was an actual line that was crossed, because
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 18: you wishing death on a guest on the show is
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 18: completely unacceptable. And he was told, and I said publicly
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 18: on the show. He was not invited back. And so
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 18: there are lines that are crossed, and I think people
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 18: understand that I'll draw them when they need to be drawn.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 18: But I also think that we want to have real conversations.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 18: Sometimes they get a little bit messy and and that's okay.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 18: But I also think, you know, disrespecting people in a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 18: way that is inhumane, or you know, just there are
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 18: some lines that we don't want to cross, and we'll
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 18: draw those lines publicly and I'll let every know what's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 18: going on. But for the most part, we're not We're
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 18: trying to encourage speech, not trying to squelch it.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 10: If Jesse Jackson Wright was able to actually become president president,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 10: get in office, just do things for people that he
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: cared about, how would Barack Obama's presidency have been different.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: Kamala Harris just on this run, feeling like she has
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 10: to dodge certain things and can't speak straight to black people.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 10: How would all that be different if he had been
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 10: able to get in office and do what he was
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 10: doing before he was voted president or not voted.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: That's really interesting. It's such an interesting question.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 18: I mean, I think one of the reasons that Vice
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 18: President Harris and Barack Obama have had to present a
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 18: certain way to the American public is the perception that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 18: a broad swath of the electorate, especially white voters, won't
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 18: take a black candidate seriously unless they are very buttoned up,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 18: have the resume all lined up, the whole thing. And
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 18: that's accurate, right that, Like we all understand that you
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 18: kind of have to clear a higher bar in order
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 18: to even be let in the door. And I do
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 18: wonder if the country had successfully elected a black president
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 18: who was running on a progressive platform thirty years ago,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 18: whether they would have that same burden. And I don't know,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 18: maybe they would not have. You know, one of the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 18: things about Jesse Jackson is that his fluency in a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 18: wide range of issues as somebody who never was elected
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 18: to political office, who came out of the segregated South
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 18: who came out of a civil rights tradition. He was
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 18: right up there with all the other candidates on the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 18: debate stage, talking about foreign policy, talking about economic policy,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 18: giving speeches. I mean, I would talk to people who
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 18: would say that they would give him, you know, like
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 18: a thirty minute briefing, and he would go in there
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 18: and he would weave a whole speech around an issue.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 18: He could take information in and very quickly turn it
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 18: around into something that was compelling to an audience. And
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 18: so he had a kind of intellect that was not
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 18: very respected at the time. And I do think that,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 18: you know, if the country had elected a black president,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 18: I think candidates today who are running who are like
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 18: Kamala Harris or Barack Obama would not have to would
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 18: not have to do so much to show white Americans
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 18: in particular that they're qualified and that they have the basic,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 18: you know, qualifications to fit the job. I think that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 18: added burden is one of the reasons that it's hard
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 18: then to turn around and say to those same candidates, well,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 18: you've got to be authentic, because that same authenticity is
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 18: what they get knocked for early on in their career.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 18: So it is I'm not suggesting that it's easy. I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 18: think it is difficult. You have to be able to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 18: do both things. And actually, I would say Obama actually
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 18: did both things pretty well. He was incredibly credentialed, but
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 18: he was incredibly authentic in the communities where he needed
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 18: to be authentic in And I do think that it
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 18: is possible to do it, but it is absolutely a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 18: higher bar, and it's a higher bar still to this day,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 18: because we've only done it once elected a black person
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 18: to the highest office in the land, and so there's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 18: still a lot that has to be dealt with in
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 18: terms of people's preconceived notions of what people of color
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 18: can do at high levels of political office.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: My last question, when Cameron took a sip of pink
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Horsepower on your show, like.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: You just took a sip of that, right and you
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: were gonna write this.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: And then when Cam said he was going to get
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: some cheeks after your interview, did you understand what was.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Happening in that moment?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 18: Is there something known in the industry about how did
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 18: he treated his artists?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Charmon gets some cheeks after this horse.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 18: College, I knew that we needed to end the interview Obviously,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 18: I knew we needed to end the interview. We were
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 18: up against the end of the show, and we didn't.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 18: We had to get to a certain time, so you know,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 18: I had to land that plane and I did, and look,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 18: I mean it was ridiculous, but as we know, that
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 18: was the point.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: So the person who had to transcribe the show afterwards
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: ask you what that meant.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: We need to get some Well we all were just like,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: what just happened?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, I mean, whatever, it's I'm not going
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 18: to give this much more oxygen because I know that's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 18: part of the point. I know he was here a
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 18: little while ago talking about it. I'm sure he did before.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 18: It wasn't like it wasn't personal anything with you. He
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 18: just felt like the network only hits him up for
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 18: things that aren't about what he does outside of it.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 18: All I will say is that we are told by
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 18: his team that he wanted to talk about this, not
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 18: the other way around. So that's we Obviously, we don't
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 18: book people about things they don't want to talk about,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 18: So we would never bring someone on the show and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 18: force them to talk about something that they didn't agree
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 18: to talk about.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: So I don't know, I.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 18: Mean, everybody, we have free will. We can do what
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 18: we want. But like I said, I knew immediately. Actually
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 18: we knew pretty early on in the interview that we
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 18: needed to get out.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: As as possible.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: You know, it was I mean it was from the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 9: from the get go.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm not new to this, Like I know, from
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 18: the beginning when somebody is not interested in being and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 18: being interviewed, and so we knew we needed to get out.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 18: But it was just a timing thing, you know, when
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 18: you're at the end of the show. And he was
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 18: actually supposed to be on the show earlier but was late,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 18: and so we we would just figure ring out how
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 18: quickly we could hand off to Laura Coates at eleven o'clock.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Put you in a good class, and Cam's got some
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: really good interviews with news and.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Some great moments.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 10: They'll get sat on the playlist somewhere.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely not. We are not. That is not a class.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: And I think you said I want to be he
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: said was his favorite.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I asked him which one with the and is a
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Cooper sixty Minutes interview the bill O'Reilly? When he was
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: like you mad you mad Abbey film? He said yes
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: because he sold a big horse power.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: I'm happy for.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 18: I'm happy for him, but.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: You know, stuff like that personally when it happens.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: No, absolutely, not.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 10: Not personally, but just like, why you why my show?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 10: I'm I'm a black Like why me?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 18: I you know what, let me just I'll just say
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 18: this because I don't I've never talked I've actually never
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 18: talked about this before.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: But when that happened.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 18: Our booker who booked that interview was a young woman
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 18: and she was very upset about it, and I said
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 18: to her afterwards, and I said to my entire team,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 18: I was like, this is not going to be a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 18: reason that we play it safe. We are not going
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 18: to take this as a moment to say, oh, this
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 18: happened to us, we can't have people like that on
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 18: our air.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: Again.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 18: I don't believe in that. I think that we are.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 18: We are out here trying to to hear from people
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 18: who are interesting and different, and maybe sometimes it goes left.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 18: But I'm not gonna this is We're not gonna come
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 18: down on you for booking this interview because we want
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 18: to bring interesting people onto the show and it was
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 18: important to me to convey to them that we're not
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 18: gonna go into a little ball and be like, oh
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 18: my god, this went viral and this was were saying, no,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 18: this too shall pass. Like he had his moment, It
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 18: was fine. I don't really care do I wish he
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 18: didn't do that on the air yet, But but I'm
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 18: not using it as an excuse to say that we're
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 18: going to play it safe on television, because that's not
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 18: what we're doing here.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: So fantastic booking.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: What's her name, fantastic book every night.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 18: She unfortunately she moved to a different city, so she's
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 18: no longer with us. But yeah, but we listen. It
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 18: wasn't just her. I told her boss too, and I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 18: was like, we are not. We are not going to
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 18: treat this like some kind of major mistake because it
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 18: was not. It is television, and sometimes in television you
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 18: have guests and you don't know what they're going to say,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 18: and the whole point of TV is not to be
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 18: predictable and boring, So let's not do that.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoy your bookings. I thoroughly enjoy your show.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Make sure y'all watch Abby Phillip on CNN News Night
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: every night at ten, and then there's table for five
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: comes on at.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 18: O'clock am on Saturday Saturdays, and don't forget to buy
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 18: the book.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, Dream Deferred, it's out right now, Jesse Jackson in
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: the fight for Black political power, it's Abby Philip, It's.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club. You got a positive note? I do
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: have a positive note.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 12: Man.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I want y'all to develop an attitude of gratitude and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: give thanks for everything that happens to you, knowing that
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: every step forward is a step toward achieving something bigger
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: and better than your current situation.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, you don't
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: Finish for y'all done.