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Normally Podcast: Why is CBS Embracing Censorship? · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, our friends, no fast Countryman. Welcome to Normally,
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Speaker 1: the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
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Speaker 1: I'm Mary Katherine New.
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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. Him Mary Catherine, How was your weekend?
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Speaker 1: It was good. I was in Austin for a bit
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Speaker 1: and saw Bridget Fetasye nice sat down with hers. That
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Speaker 1: was always a good time. I don't think we'd ever
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Speaker 1: met in person before, so fellow podcasting lady.
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Speaker 2: Right, she's awesome, she's good. Yeah, I love Austin. Actually
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Speaker 2: I know Austin's is the blue dot in the red state.
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Speaker 2: But it's always a good time over there.
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Speaker 1: It's a good time. It was funny because it was
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Speaker 1: like forty two degrees and everyone was freezing button me,
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Speaker 1: which I never get to experience because I'm the wimpy
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Speaker 1: Southerner here. But in Texas, I was like, I'm fine,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine.
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Speaker 2: I did this thing on Friday where I took the
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Speaker 2: day off, and I know, you know, adults listening to
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Speaker 2: this know that you never really take a day off, right,
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Speaker 2: even when you're off from work, you're still thinking about
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Speaker 2: But every time I started to think about anything, I'd
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Speaker 2: be like, no, I'm focusing on my book. I'm looking
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Speaker 2: up at the sky. I'm not doing any errands today.
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Speaker 2: There are no sports like I'm just focusing on me.
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Speaker 3: It was glorious. Actually, it set me up really well
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Speaker 3: for a really busy weekend. I love it, right, And yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't know how you managed no sports in one day,
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Speaker 1: but congratulations.
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Speaker 3: Well we had.
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Speaker 2: Six sports activities over the weekend. I should say one
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Speaker 2: of our kids had five of them.
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Speaker 1: My gosh, he is such a killer.
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Speaker 2: He's uh, he's something, all right, Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 1: Alrighty, shall we get to the news, in which we
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Speaker 1: talk once again about one of our least favorite characters
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Speaker 1: in the legacy media, Margaret Brennan.
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Speaker 3: Margaret, what are you?
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Speaker 1: Margret? What's happening? Margaret?
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Speaker 3: You have fallen apart.
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Speaker 1: You'll remember Margaret Brennan from cutting JD Vance's mic during
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Speaker 1: the vice presidential debate. You'll remember Margaret Brennan from having
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Speaker 1: her ass handed to her frankly, please every time jd
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Speaker 1: Vance shows up on her Sunday show. And now we
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Speaker 1: have Margaret Brennan asking Secretary of State Marco Rubio this question.
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Speaker 4: Well, he was standing in a country where free speech
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Speaker 4: was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with
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Speaker 4: the head of a political party that has far right
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Speaker 4: views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context
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Speaker 4: of that was changing the tone of it. And you
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Speaker 4: know that that the censorship.
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Speaker 5: Disagree with you specifically about the right now, I have
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Speaker 5: to disagree with you. Free speech was not used to
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Speaker 5: conduct the genocide. The genocide was conducted by a Miraitarian
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Speaker 5: Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal because they
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Speaker 5: hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they hated those
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Speaker 5: that they had a list of people they hated, but
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Speaker 5: primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.
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Speaker 5: There was none. There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany.
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Speaker 5: They were a sole and only party that governed that country.
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Speaker 5: So that's not an accurate reflection of history.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what what?
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Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny because Rubio is very diplomatic
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Speaker 2: over there.
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Speaker 1: Is I admire him keeping a straight face during that question.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but I only think he was completely unprepared for that.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone make the argument that free speech
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Speaker 2: was the problem in Nazi Germany before, and I was
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Speaker 2: quite surprised to hear it now, so I'm sure he
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Speaker 2: was also like wait what.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now this was the free press. The free press.
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Speaker 1: Margaret Brennan's response over at CBS to jd Vance giving
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Speaker 1: a speech in German in Europe that said, Hey, you
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Speaker 1: guys actually don't do the free speech very well. You're
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Speaker 1: putting people in jail for online postings and tweets. You
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Speaker 1: have people who investigate people for praying outside abortion clinics,
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Speaker 1: although the Biden administration did some of that too, So
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Speaker 1: he's targeting a real problem that Europe has, where it
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Speaker 1: does not have a commitment to free speech in the
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Speaker 1: way that we do. Yeah, thank goodness for the First Amendment,
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Speaker 1: because I'm sure are lefties, as illustrated by Margaret Brennan
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Speaker 1: would be happy to take our free speech away. And
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Speaker 1: this is her response to him calling out Europe for
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Speaker 1: not having free speech, is like, well, didn't free speech
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Speaker 1: cause the Holocaust? Have you ever thought about that?
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Speaker 3: It's just it's wild.
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Speaker 2: And so you had people on X defending her like
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Speaker 2: MSNBC vice president of Editorial and Booking Jesse Rodriguez, and
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Speaker 2: I should say Jesse and I follow each other, which
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Speaker 2: you know, immediately warms.
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Speaker 1: Me to people.
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Speaker 2: Right, of course, I was like, wait what he tweeted?
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Speaker 2: The Zazi regime used mass media, including newspapers, radio films,
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Speaker 2: and public speeches to spread anti Semitic conspiracy theories, to
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Speaker 2: humanize Jews and incite violence. I was like, they also
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Speaker 2: used trains to transport Jews to camps. Perhaps we should
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Speaker 2: blame the trains. And you know the thing is, they're
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Speaker 2: not talking about free speech here, they're.
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Speaker 3: Just talking about speech. The Nazis used words. Perhaps we
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Speaker 3: should no longer use words lest we be like the Nazis.
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Speaker 3: Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a term for this called the Weimar fallacy,
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Speaker 1: which is the idea that, yes, hate speech quite clearly
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Speaker 1: did flourish in the preceding time to Nazism, but Germany
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Speaker 1: at that time had hate speech laws. They prosecuted people
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Speaker 1: for hate speech. And one of the historical findings is
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Speaker 1: that in fact, that made a bunch of them murtyrs
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Speaker 1: and made that speech more interesting to people because it
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Speaker 1: was forbidden. It's so the whole thing is so laughably ignorant,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's reverse engineered by people in media
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Speaker 1: who think, well, speech I don't like and can't control,
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Speaker 1: leads inevitably to Nazism, political violence, and genocide. Therefore, Nazis
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Speaker 1: liked free speech, you are a Nazi if you like
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Speaker 1: free speech? Is that in the state?
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Speaker 2: What It's just, it's mind boggling. I tell this story
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Speaker 2: to the Normies in your life, because I did, and
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Speaker 2: it was just a very good time getting them to
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Speaker 2: hear this.
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Speaker 1: Britan went to UVA. Do you think there's any Thomas
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Speaker 1: Jefferson writings about the importance of free speech that she
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Speaker 1: could have perused during her time at that elite university.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually amazing. But you know what is
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Speaker 1: somewhat surprisingly more amazing is that I watched the sixty
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Speaker 1: Minutes segment, another of our free American presses responses to
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Speaker 1: JD Vance's speech in Europe about Germany's speech police right now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they literally have speech police in Germany, and
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Speaker 1: sixty Minutes does a feature on it. It is thirteen
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Speaker 1: minutes long. You should find it and watch the whole
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Speaker 1: thing to get a sense of where our press is
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Speaker 1: on this issue. I don't think there's a critical question
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Speaker 1: in the entire thirteen minutes, except at the very end,
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Speaker 1: where I was like Oh, she's going to get there.
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Speaker 1: She's going to say, should you be starring people in
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Speaker 1: jail for Facebook posts? Nope, that wasn't the question. Her
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Speaker 1: question was, you know, there's just so much hate, is
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Speaker 1: it possible to really make a dent in it with
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Speaker 1: your arrests and prosecutions. That was the question that this
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Speaker 1: sixty Minutes reporter had. Throughout this feature. We find out
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Speaker 1: that insulting people in the street or on Facebook or
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Speaker 1: x or any social media is illegal in Germany. We
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Speaker 1: find out that there are sixteen teams of prosecutors across
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Speaker 1: the country currently, you know, that's her question, currently working
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Speaker 1: on thirty five hundred cases. Sixty Minutes goes with the
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Speaker 1: German authorities, which is a very scary phrase in and
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Speaker 1: of itself, to a private home on a six am
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Speaker 1: raid with six armed officers over a Facebook post, at
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Speaker 1: which point they seize the phone and computer of this
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Speaker 1: private citizen. Again, the reporter doesn't have any questions about this.
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Speaker 1: In fact, she's like, she asked them, are people surprised
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Speaker 1: that this is illegal? When you go pick them up?
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Speaker 1: And the prosecutors sort of laugh like har har har, Yes,
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Speaker 1: they think it's like crazy that we can take their phone,
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Speaker 1: but we take it.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: And this is our press media who is super concerned
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Speaker 2: about Donald Trump and our democracy and all of that
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Speaker 2: being supportive of this.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, right, is that I get
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Speaker 1: annoyed with Trump sometimes for making me stick up for
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Speaker 1: like the Associated Press, where I'm like, look on the
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Speaker 1: Gulf of America thing, you're doing viewpoint discrimination. You can't
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Speaker 1: do that, like figure it out. Don't bully people in
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Speaker 1: this way, even if I don't like this particular organization, right,
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Speaker 1: but you're telling me that these people have a commitment
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Speaker 1: to free speech. They do that. Yeah, they're happy with
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Speaker 1: the rember Nina Jankowitz of the Disinformation Governance born inside
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Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security that Biden created. They were
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Speaker 1: perfectly happy to have that woman decide what we could
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Speaker 1: say and what we could.
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Speaker 3: Not, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they spent the four Biden years like trying
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Speaker 2: to get social media to shut down speech that they
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Speaker 2: didn't like, and it ran the gamut from you know,
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Speaker 2: Hunter laptop, but also any skepticism on any part of
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Speaker 2: the COVID stuff, which obviously you know, yes, we're still mad, bro,
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Speaker 2: and an actual government, American government tried to get social
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Speaker 2: media to curtail the speech of American citizens.
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Speaker 3: So of course they're looking at Germany and.
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Speaker 2: Being like, wow, we could just seize their phones and
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Speaker 2: then they won't be able to say anything. Hahuh.
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Speaker 1: This whole piece is just envy over Germany's speech policing laws.
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Speaker 1: And I think my favorite part, I think we can
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Speaker 1: play the clip. My favorite part is when the woman
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Speaker 1: says with a German accent that you know they're solving
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Speaker 1: this problem because people are scared to speak online about
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Speaker 1: their opinions. But she's saying they're scared to speak because
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Speaker 1: there's not enough prosecution of speech. It's like, girl, you
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Speaker 1: are the problem.
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Speaker 6: Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,
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Speaker 6: these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a
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Speaker 6: very small group of people can rely on endless freedom
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Speaker 6: to say anything that they want, while everyone else is
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Speaker 6: scared and intimidated.
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Speaker 1: In your fears that if people are freely attacked online
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Speaker 1: that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
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Speaker 6: This is not only a fear, it's already taking place. Already.
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Speaker 6: Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to
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Speaker 6: express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public
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Speaker 6: debates online anymore? Half of the Internet users.
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Speaker 2: Are they scared to speak because their neighbors going to
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Speaker 2: be mean to them or because they're going to get arrested?
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Speaker 1: Hard to say, yeah, yeah, she's like standing there with handcuffs, Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they're scared, Like what my mind
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Speaker 1: was blown?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Watch it all if you get a chance this week. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The clips that I've seen on x are just you know,
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Speaker 3: bad enough, but this sounds this sounds extra bad.
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Speaker 1: Like over at CBS, do they have German authorities coming
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Speaker 1: to educate them on how they could better police our speech?
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Speaker 1: Because that's what it seems.
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Speaker 3: Like, right, they're like, this is how we do it.
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Speaker 1: You should do the same.
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Speaker 2: I is just and so again going back to the JD.
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Speaker 3: Van's speech, which was a great speech.
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Speaker 2: And reiterated the values that I would think that our
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Speaker 2: liberals would before it became this whole Like, how dare
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Speaker 2: he talk to our allies that way? Well, our allies
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Speaker 2: are getting off the path of freedom and re expression.
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Speaker 2: It's okay to kind of nudge them back onto. Hey,
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Speaker 2: maybe people can say whatever they want online and maybe
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Speaker 2: you should just accept that.
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Speaker 1: I am just I know I shouldn't be shocked, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I am shocked. Yeah, but I am shocked that
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Speaker 1: a contemporary of mine, I believe Brendan and I are
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Speaker 1: the exact same age, went to American universities, were educated,
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Speaker 1: and basically the same way. She probably went to a
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Speaker 1: nice like private school. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and at the end of that, you come out in
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Speaker 1: journalism and this is your take on free speech, right,
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Speaker 1: but that so much of the left has just accepted
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Speaker 1: this as well, like we want to control the speech
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Speaker 1: because we do the good speech and you do the
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Speaker 1: speech right.
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Speaker 2: And they think that's going to work, and I don't
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Speaker 2: think that it will. Actually, I think people know that
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Speaker 2: their speech is not the good speech is not just
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Speaker 2: one kind of speech that's the good speech.
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Speaker 3: And our whole thing is based on freedom of speech.
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Speaker 3: Like look right into our constitution, look at the First Amendment.
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Speaker 3: And it's not a coincidence.
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Speaker 2: I think that our forefathers understood that this would be
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Speaker 2: a problem, that some people would think that their speech
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Speaker 2: is acceptable and your speech is not. So they preempted
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Speaker 2: all of that, and thank goodness for them.
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Speaker 1: Well in COVID is such a good example of a
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Speaker 1: time when we weren't allowed to speak freely, and as
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Speaker 1: a result, we did not come to good conclusions right right,
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Speaker 1: because you have to be able to toss around some
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Speaker 1: ideas to come to correct conclusions to figure out what
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Speaker 1: truth is, and we were not allowed to do that
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Speaker 1: during COVID because of a German authority style censorship program,
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Speaker 1: which again the media loves apparently.
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Speaker 3: Right, let's not follow Germany.
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Speaker 2: I like it's okay to say that, let's not follow
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Speaker 2: Germany day.
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Speaker 1: That's really not, that's really not.
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Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 1: The Libs cried a lot over JD Vance's speech, which
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Speaker 1: again I think it's powerful and good, and I love
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Speaker 1: the clarity of saying these are the things that are
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Speaker 1: important that we believe you guys are not observing these.
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Speaker 1: He also talked about mass migration, which is something that
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Speaker 1: you know, the normies of Germany and the rest of
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Speaker 1: Europe listen to JD Vance and go, yeah, that is
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Speaker 1: something we need to work on, that these populations are
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Speaker 1: not assimilated, that we have no go zones in our
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Speaker 1: major cities in European capitals. So I like that he
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Speaker 1: speaks frankly, he is not doing the Biden thing, which
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Speaker 1: is just like me, We're America. I'm going to give
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Speaker 1: a Millie Mouse speech about like how we should probably
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Speaker 1: be like a little ashamed of ourselves. We're not doing that.
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Speaker 3: It's a new era. It's a vibe shift, it is.
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Speaker 1: And on Saturday night there was a whole other part
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Speaker 1: of the vibe shift, which was the USA Canada hockey
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Speaker 1: face off in the Four Nations tournament, hosted in Montreal. Montreal,
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Speaker 1: as you can imagine, of the Canadian cities, not the
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Speaker 1: most friendly to the Trump administration era America. Right, And look,
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Speaker 1: I want to say, Canada, I think it's fine for
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Speaker 1: you to be annoyed by this fifty first state time. Sure, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we like to see you annoyed by that. We like
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Speaker 1: to see you like and standing up for yourself, right,
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Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, But they booed the national anthem
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Speaker 1: in Canada as the US played its first game against
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Speaker 1: Finland on I think Thursday night. We beat Finland six '
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Speaker 1: to one. So when this booing happened, as you might imagine,
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Speaker 1: the New York Times was on it, right, Yeah, yes,
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Speaker 1: so Team USA angered motivated by booze from Montreal crowd
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Speaker 1: at four nations face off. Okay, so what I loved
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Speaker 1: about this story is they go to US hockey players
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Speaker 1: after having been booed in the like quarterfinals of this
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Speaker 1: of this event, to get I think what they thought
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Speaker 1: were going to be like nationalistic meathead quotes, and here's
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Speaker 1: what they get from these brash, ugly Americans. Are you ready? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: these guys are hockey players and they're here to play hockey,
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Speaker 1: said American coach Mike Sullivan. They're also proud Americans, and
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Speaker 1: it's a privilege to represent your nation and all of
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Speaker 1: us that have the opportunity to participate and be part
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Speaker 1: of the US team. Okay, here's another one. It means
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Speaker 1: a lot to all of us. We just want to
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Speaker 1: play hockey, we want to compete, we want to represent
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Speaker 1: our nation in the right way. Okay, here's the most
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Speaker 1: edgy one. I didn't like it and that's all I've got. Okay,
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Speaker 1: and then one more. JT. Miller, one of the teammates, says,
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Speaker 1: I think we like it, not politically, but maybe just
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Speaker 1: as a sense of we know what we're in Canada,
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Speaker 1: and I think that fires us up more than anything.
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Speaker 1: So it's great. Yeah, there we are there's our terrible
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Speaker 1: quotes from the terrible American right, uh, toxic masculine hockey players.
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Speaker 1: So they go into another game Saturday night against Canada.
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Speaker 3: I heard there were a couple of fights in there.
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Speaker 1: There were some booze during the anthem, and then there
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Speaker 1: were three fights in the first ninety seconds of this game.
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Speaker 1: So apparently they saved their talking for the ice. By
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Speaker 1: the way, can I just say one thing about hockey.
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Speaker 1: I I like hockey, but I'm not a huge follower
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Speaker 1: of it. Of course I am when I'm invested in
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Speaker 1: US beating Canada. The idea that A they let them
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Speaker 1: fight like that is so fascinating, so funny. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: B you're fistfighting on skates. That is wild ice.
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Speaker 3: I'm unbelievable, unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: So three fights very quickly. There was some talk after
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Speaker 1: the game that maybe that was planned by the US players,
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna drop our loves just to send a
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Speaker 1: message when we get out there. But they also said
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Speaker 1: another message was they beat Canada three to one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
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Speaker 2: I love that America when when they're when we're good
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Speaker 2: at sports, we don't care about.
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Speaker 1: It's a thing.
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Speaker 3: It's very fun, you know, and also like living in
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Speaker 3: Florida and Florida's hockey team.
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Speaker 2: You know, the Panthers have been very good for the
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Speaker 2: last few years, and it's like very ellwoods get to
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Speaker 2: Harvard and being.
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Speaker 3: Like, what, like, it's hard what I have to say
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Speaker 3: about Canada.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're they're having this resurgence of patriotism. That's great,
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Speaker 2: but they've always had this nationalistic thing. Like when you
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Speaker 2: travel around Europe and you have the Canadians with the
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Speaker 2: Canada flag on their backpacks because they don't want to
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Speaker 2: be mistaken for American, right, A few guys, you know, like,
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Speaker 2: we don't want to be mistaken for you either.
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Speaker 1: So I do like the idea that like Canada and
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Speaker 1: Europe that somehow being like criticized them is off limits,
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Speaker 1: and that they've always been super super deferential to us. Yeah. Oh,
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Speaker 1: they're always picking on us and telling us we're terrible, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I did enjoy We just don't care. That's right.
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Speaker 3: Difference we are just like and who are you? What
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Speaker 3: country is that? I've never heard of?
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Speaker 1: That one I did enjoy much like nineteen eighty when
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Speaker 1: we beat the Soviets in hockey and one of the
19:22
Speaker 1: greatest upsets of all time. And you should watch the
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Speaker 1: movie Miracle about that. It's a great one. I do
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Speaker 1: love that there are nations in this world who are
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Speaker 1: really invested as their national identity and being very good
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Speaker 1: at hockey, and we're just like nah, nah.
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Speaker 2: So I enjoyed one of our many sports that were
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Speaker 2: good at.
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Speaker 1: I had had two drinks, so I just started tweeting
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Speaker 1: like nonsense about Canada all night. It's great scoreboard, look
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Speaker 1: at the scarboard. Suddenly extremely invested in this Team America
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Speaker 1: exhibition game in Canada, so love it. Everybody's crying because
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Speaker 1: we won. I do believe there's another round of this tournament.
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Speaker 1: All right. Maybe now that I'm very invested in hockey,
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Speaker 1: I should probably look into what's happening next. It was
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Speaker 1: a good time.
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Speaker 2: Now that we're huge hockey fans, huge, let's look at
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Speaker 2: that calendar and figure out when they're playing again.
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Speaker 1: I'll have an update on that.
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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right
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Speaker 2: back with normally. Well, I think our last topic is
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Speaker 2: a quirky one. There is a story coming out right now.
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Speaker 2: So there's this thing called trad Wives.
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Speaker 3: In case anybody's I'm unaware.
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Speaker 2: Of this term trad wife should just mean a traditional wife.
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Speaker 3: Like what I told the story to my husband, He
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Speaker 3: was like, and you're a trad wife, right, I'm like.
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Speaker 1: Not in the sense that they mean, no, I think.
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Speaker 3: But no, yes, I would never touch the garbage. So yes,
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Speaker 3: a trad wife like that, but no, not like this.
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Speaker 2: But the tradwife concept is submissive to her husband. And
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Speaker 2: that's where he's my husband. My husband starts laughing and says, right, exactly.
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Speaker 1: She only has.
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Speaker 2: Forty nine percent of the vote in our house, you know.
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Speaker 2: And the trad wife online is.
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Speaker 3: Kind of a caricature.
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Speaker 2: And I'm opposed to people living however they want. And
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Speaker 2: you know, having these.
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Speaker 3: Traditional roles and it works for your marriage, that's great.
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Speaker 2: But some of these really go too far. And here
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Speaker 2: is the story of Patriarch Hannah. Patriarchy Hannah she was
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Speaker 2: is still a woman on the internet who has fourteen kids,
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Speaker 2: and she submits to her husband Tony, and they live
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Speaker 2: in a large piece of land that she calls Tony Town,
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Speaker 2: and they build houses for their adult children so that
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Speaker 2: they don't leave the compound and.
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Speaker 3: All of that. And basically, over the weekend, a guy
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Speaker 3: on the Internet, found out, figured out, delved into patriarchy Hannah,
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Speaker 3: and found that she does not exist. She is a
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Speaker 3: single woman living with her parents near where she claims
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Speaker 3: to have this fake Tony town. He got into the
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Speaker 3: Google street viewed and satellite imagery.
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Speaker 2: He found property records at the houses that she claims
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Speaker 2: are hers are not hers. And she started deleting posts
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Speaker 2: and that's kind of how you know you got them well.
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Speaker 1: And for several years now, other people have brought up
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Speaker 1: this concern in the past, which is a tricky thing
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Speaker 1: to do because someone's asserting that they live this life
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Speaker 1: and they are this person, and you're not looking to
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Speaker 1: dos them, but you're looking to say, but are you
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Speaker 1: this person, particularly if you're accusing, if you're criticizing other
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Speaker 1: people for not living a proper trad life, that's tradwife life.
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Speaker 1: We would like to have some evidence that you are
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Speaker 1: this person. And so a lot of people had had
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Speaker 1: questions about her, and she had turned on them online,
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Speaker 1: sometimes using personal information that they had had conversations about
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Speaker 1: through DMS or through phone calls against them because she
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Speaker 1: was protecting this vision of herself right right.
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Speaker 2: And so that's the thing I think that when people
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Speaker 2: see a vision online. It's so important because we've gotten
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Speaker 2: to where I think we trust more online now because
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Speaker 2: we're able to tell kind of the bs right away.
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Speaker 2: But sometimes somebody can design this whole persona of fourteen kids.
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Speaker 3: Why would you lie about that?
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Speaker 1: It's bizarro Well, and people started saying, like, she sure
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Speaker 1: is online a lot for homeschooling and having fourteen kids
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Speaker 1: and maintaining this household and doing all the things. And
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Speaker 1: it is a problem because I want to trust that
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Speaker 1: people are who they say they are. But we've had
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Speaker 1: multiple instances of this. For instance, they're often politically or
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Speaker 1: sort of ideologically motivated characters, such as the beleaguered COVID
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Speaker 1: nurse who ends up not being a frontline worker at all,
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Speaker 1: And several of those were sussed out during that time.
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Speaker 1: But it is this weird line where the the person
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Speaker 1: that you're trying to figure out if they're the real
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Speaker 1: person is like, how dare you? Dare you question me?
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Speaker 1: But actually, if you're pushing something online, we should know
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Speaker 1: if you're real or not.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think Bethany Mandel, our friend Bethany
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Speaker 2: has ruined this for me a little bit because she
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Speaker 2: has six kids at she homeschools, and she writes like
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Speaker 2: seventeen articles a week and special twenty five appearances, and
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Speaker 2: every time I like you see her, she's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I started this new blink and it's like what, like what?
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Speaker 2: And that's why I think people could believe that there's
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Speaker 2: some crazy lady with fourteen kids.
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Speaker 1: Yes, actually you know what it is Bethany's fault. Bethany
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Speaker 1: has led.
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Speaker 3: Us down the path of like all of this is possible,
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Speaker 3: and look.
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Speaker 1: At my marriage and like it's true.
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Speaker 3: And it's just like I started a company and I
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Speaker 3: have a new substack and listen to my new thing
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Speaker 3: and it's like, girl, when when how do you do this? Right? Ethy? Really?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the key. No, it's it is
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Speaker 1: the tradwife thing is is bizarre. And sometimes I'll sort
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Speaker 1: of stumble into conversations about what kind of wife I
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Speaker 1: should be, and I'm like, oh, when did we get here?
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Speaker 1: My gud is right? But I do have to say,
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Speaker 1: like the thing where magically your husband, you submit to
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Speaker 1: your husband, he has all the right decisions made for you.
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Speaker 1: You would be perfectly content at all times, no problems.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's pretty easy if you make up your husband.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Like it's not a separate person who you
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Speaker 1: must submit to. It's just your figment of your imagination.
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Speaker 1: I could create somebody who I could agree with one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time, no problem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point. That that's it.
25:57
Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Also, I mean as a side note, but.
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Speaker 2: Like AI relationships are becoming more popular, like you're just
26:05
Speaker 2: having a relationship with yourself.
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Speaker 3: You're like, I have fallen in love with.
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Speaker 2: Me, yes, which like fair, you know, yeah, I am
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Speaker 2: very lovable.
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Speaker 1: So now I just I think, you know, our other friend,
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Speaker 1: Emily Zanati, talks a lot about the tradwife stuff because,
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Speaker 1: you know, she she does a lot of those things.
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Speaker 1: She maintains a small little homestead farm with chickens and
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Speaker 1: all of that. She raises her three kids at home,
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Speaker 1: she cooks home cooked meals all the time. And one
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Speaker 1: of the things she's intent on is sort of piercing
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Speaker 1: this idea that you can have this very picturesque perfect homesteading, homeschooling,
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Speaker 1: everything life. In fact, what's happening a lot of times
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Speaker 1: is that those trad wives are doing a very serious job,
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Speaker 1: putting in a lot of hours to make their life
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Speaker 1: look like that, right, so that they can then package
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Speaker 1: it and sell it to everyone else, which no hate,
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Speaker 1: but let's be realistic about what's happening here. This isn't
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Speaker 1: how to stay at home mom. This is a work
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Speaker 1: from home.
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Speaker 3: Mom, right right.
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Speaker 2: This is a mom who is putting a lot of
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Speaker 2: work actually into maintaining this perfect image. And they're always like,
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Speaker 2: you know, perfectly put together, and like my husband wanted
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Speaker 2: an apple pie, so I grew I grew an apple tree,
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Speaker 2: and then I picked like what, yeah, you know again,
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Speaker 2: live whatever kind of life you want. But just don't
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Speaker 2: assume the people that you see on the internet are real,
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Speaker 2: and they might not be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like watch out for people that you're
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Speaker 1: not sure are real slide in those dms and having
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Speaker 1: personal conversations with you, because this is not the normal
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Speaker 1: kind of sliding in the dms. This is a different
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Speaker 1: one where you're sort of, you know, supporting each other
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Speaker 1: through various stages of life. And I have a lot
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Speaker 1: of online friends with whom I've done that, and it
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Speaker 1: makes me a little wary about for sure you might
27:58
Speaker 1: be interacting with in the future that you learn there's
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Speaker 1: this whole character was created, Yeah, be.
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Speaker 3: Careful out there kids. It's a wild, wild world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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