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Popping Off: VPR Reunion Pt. 2 & The Valley Ep 10 · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
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  Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spinoff show Popping Off,
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  Speaker 1: where we are digging deep on this season of Banner
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  Speaker 1: Pump Rules. Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Popping
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  Speaker 1: Off with myself, Teddy Mellencamp.
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  Speaker 2: And and Emily Simpson. I don't understand what that voice
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  Speaker 2: was all about. I didn't know that you changed your
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  Speaker 2: voice when we were in person.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I curled my hair and I bet my
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  Speaker 1: lips so would be bleeding, like I felt like just
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  Speaker 1: giving all the things. Okay, well we're here, we're in person,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot to discuss. The first headline is
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  Speaker 1: something about her is open. I think today is actually
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  Speaker 1: the first day it's fully open. But we went online
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  Speaker 1: because we wanted to postmate some It's not on Google
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  Speaker 1: or Yelp or anything, so there's no phone number, so
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't even do a taste test if we wanted,
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  Speaker 1: unless we were to go show up at the place.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess the only way you can of sandwiches
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  Speaker 2: if you go in person right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm sure a shit ton of people are.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not gonna be us.
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  Speaker 2: That's not us, it's today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So but if someone's there and they would like to
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  Speaker 2: bring us.
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  Speaker 1: Some, yeah, we're at iHeartRadio right now if you want
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  Speaker 1: to zip on over to be a bank from West.
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  Speaker 2: I like I like Turkey, I like Triggy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm allergic to blue cheese. I don't know you know
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  Speaker 1: all the different ones, but they're all named after like
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  Speaker 1: high what would you say, like women, and like I
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  Speaker 1: think one's the Meg, Like for Meg Ryan, one is.
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  Speaker 2: Meg Ryan, Like I haven't even thought about her in
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  Speaker 2: like twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Well I've thought about her in twenty years because she
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  Speaker 1: was with my dad for like ten years, so she's
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  Speaker 1: her step No, they're not together anymore. But like my
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  Speaker 1: point is there's a bunch of I think another's Nicole
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  Speaker 1: for Nicole Kidman, I think there's something along those lines.
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  Speaker 1: Either way. Andy went to the pre opening, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know that I've ever seen a
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  Speaker 1: photo of him. You can google it. Nothing comes up
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  Speaker 1: at him at like Schworts and Sandy's or Tom Tom
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  Speaker 1: or any of these other places.
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  Speaker 2: What about for Lisa does you sew up for for Well?
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  Speaker 1: I heard him say on watch What Happens live. If
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  Speaker 1: he flew her.
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  Speaker 2: If she on a jet, a jet, he would show up.
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  Speaker 1: He would show up to the Wolf, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if we got float on a jet, we chove to
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  Speaker 1: the Wolf.
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  Speaker 2: If Lisa wants to send us a jet, I'll go.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling of all the people Lisa's going
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  Speaker 1: to send on a jet. No, I don't think you're
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  Speaker 1: on the list. Or she'd be like, you're going up
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  Speaker 1: and never coming down.
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  Speaker 2: She might you might land in like Sri Lanka. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bomba that's gonna be us. But not only that, Stassy
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  Speaker 1: also showed up, which squashed any of the rumors that
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  Speaker 1: Katie and Stassy are on the outs. Katie was there,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody was there except Lisavanner Pump Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she was noticeably absent.
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  Speaker 2: Noticeably absent from the Something about her opening? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think it's about Penny. I think there's definitely some tension there.
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  Speaker 2: I think think my take is that she recommended Penny,
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  Speaker 2: and she backed Penny and said Penny can help you
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  Speaker 2: and consult and do all these things. And then I
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  Speaker 2: think there was definitely some animosity between the three of
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  Speaker 2: them and I think Lisa probably, But.
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  Speaker 1: Why would Lisa care that much unless bringing Penny in
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  Speaker 1: would give her some skin in the.
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  Speaker 2: Game, Because maybe Penny got so irritated that it looked
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  Speaker 2: bad on Lisa for like recommending that the three of
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  Speaker 2: them work together.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think people really get irritated
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  Speaker 1: about shit unless financials are involved.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe that is, like, maybe there's some
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  Speaker 2: money issues and partnership issues.
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  Speaker 1: La La Kent was also not there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean her comments are currently limited right now,
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  Speaker 1: which you know there's trouble when somebody's comment like that
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  Speaker 1: you can only see ten comments and then they're limited
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  Speaker 1: and oh wait, La LA's on that. Yeah, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so shit must be hitting the fan. Well, is it
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  Speaker 1: because she's getting back last from the reunion. I think
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  Speaker 1: she's getting a lot of accle because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the way that she talks and presents herself, she wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: care that people were leaving negative comments. Well, something I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking of, and I'm actually going to be talking
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  Speaker 1: to her soon. But if I were to guess, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like when trolls really come out for you, one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that they really come for you on
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  Speaker 1: is your parenting style? And she is in an ongoing
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  Speaker 1: that we all know about custody case, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is the part we're not fully getting as we're watching
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  Speaker 1: this reunion. Like anything that people say about her or
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  Speaker 1: if they're coming after her in that extent, I think
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  Speaker 1: that would be the only reason she'd turn off comedy careacter.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people have called her home record, they've called
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  Speaker 1: her everything else. Why else would she do it if
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't something that's involving ocean? Yeah, or she makes
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  Speaker 1: her pregnant, so like her mental health could be Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 2: Could be it too. I mean, who Jax doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: Vanderpump Rules stars on the Valley? This is from bye
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  Speaker 2: Way Hello Rama. On Jackson Brittany's podcast When Reality Hits,
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  Speaker 2: Brittany said she'd like to see Shena and Laala on
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  Speaker 2: the Valley. Jax disagreed, saying, I personally don't think we
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  Speaker 2: need to bring anyone from vander Pump Rules over. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not trying to make this vander Pump Rules. This is
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  Speaker 2: the Valley. This is not an extension of vander Pump Rules.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very proud of our show, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: isn't fair for our cast members after they work so
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  Speaker 2: hard to just bring people over, well, no one else.
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  Speaker 1: I think isn't fair that Jax was one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why everybody stopped filming with Kristin. So you can't
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  Speaker 1: say that and then also be the one playing we're
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  Speaker 1: going to act Kristen because Kristin didn't come over from
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  Speaker 1: vander Pump Rules just now. This was something they all
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  Speaker 1: built together, they all got brought on together, and then
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  Speaker 1: because she didn't carry out the story the way that
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  Speaker 1: he wanted, now he doesn't want her a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so what's your take do you think? I see,
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  Speaker 2: I think The Valley would be good with Sena and Brock. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and even with law as a mother, because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like the Valley is more it's just a more mature
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  Speaker 2: version of Vanner Pump, like how long can you keep sure?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting word choice.
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  Speaker 2: Mature as in where they're at in their life as
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  Speaker 2: far as relationships, meaning like they're homeowners and they have
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  Speaker 2: children and they're married, like.
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  Speaker 1: That reality of where their life is right now. That's
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  Speaker 1: where on vander Pump Rules unless they're going to either
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  Speaker 1: totally do a shakeup. We're going to have to get
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  Speaker 1: to a new storyline. Like what everybody's doing for work
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  Speaker 1: is interesting and as exciting as it is that Ariana
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  Speaker 1: has all of these television shows. That's not the reality
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  Speaker 1: of the rest of the cast on that show. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like, that can't be a storyline, right, Like, because no,
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  Speaker 1: I want to know, like, what are you actually doing
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  Speaker 1: for work? What's happening? How are you building these relationships? Like,
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  Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't mind some crossover, but what I
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  Speaker 1: have noticed, and you have to correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you bring on seasoned reality television people onto a
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  Speaker 1: show with a bunch of newbies, they will then overpower
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  Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I would agree with that one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 1: and then it doesn't feel as authentic.
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  Speaker 2: Right Yeah, I mean I could see that happening. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she and Laala been on TV a long time. So
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  Speaker 2: and I think maybe what makes the Valley good and
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  Speaker 2: refreshing and white people are so interested in it is
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  Speaker 2: because it has new people that aren't reality stars, so
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  Speaker 2: they are they don't know the game. They're not trying to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even though Janet I feel like she knows
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  Speaker 2: the game, but she's not supposed to know the game. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I think that's why it works, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but.
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  Speaker 1: Also you see them all starting to pick up on it.
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  Speaker 1: But because everybody doesn't know the game, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: Jax lets his guard down about certain things and says
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  Speaker 1: stuff like we saw it on this episode where he's
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  Speaker 1: like on the boat and he's like, well, your marriage
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  Speaker 1: is on the rocks as well, or says something like that, right,
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  Speaker 1: And then you see Janet's husband like code red but
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  Speaker 1: I say that, and you see Jack's like try to
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  Speaker 1: reel it back in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're just having problems right now.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody has problems right now, Like he had forgotten because
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  Speaker 1: these are his boys that they're actually on a reality
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  Speaker 1: television show and this could really hurt his marriage and
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  Speaker 1: something else. That. And I'm not saying this is a
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  Speaker 1: bad thing or a good thing, but we heard a
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  Speaker 1: lot on the vander Pumperoles reunion about people living in
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  Speaker 1: the comments. I don't necessarily think Kristen and Jack's live
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  Speaker 1: in their comments. They may live with their head in
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  Speaker 1: the sand.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that Jackson definitely does not live in
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  Speaker 2: the comments because he's never altered his behavior ever, and
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  Speaker 2: when he.
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  Speaker 1: Does, it's completely obvious that he's trying to and it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't last and it doesn't very true. This next one
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  Speaker 1: is regarding Joe. She claims that Tom Schwartz blocked her
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  Speaker 1: and says she can relate to Katie Maloney. Joe took
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  Speaker 1: to Instagram live once again on Friday and read alleged
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  Speaker 1: text messages from Swartz. Please don't make me or my
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend anymore. Why would you waste another second of your
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  Speaker 1: life chasing someone who doesn't want to be with you?
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  Speaker 1: One alleged message from short set, according to Joe, who
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  Speaker 1: was reading off of her cell phone. Why Schwartz said
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to gaslight Joe. He asked that she
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  Speaker 1: let him go, adding respectfully blocking you, so whatever you
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  Speaker 1: say will fall on deaf ears. Joe said she will
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  Speaker 1: continue to talk about the reality star because he was
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  Speaker 1: a massive part of her life and now she can
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  Speaker 1: kind of relate to Schwartz's ex, Katie Maloney. I think
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  Speaker 1: how can she relate to Katie? I think there's such
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  Speaker 1: a difference in those two relationships. But well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about Joe going on Instagram live
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Like, do you think it's it's like to me? Is
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  Speaker 2: it like a need for attention?
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  Speaker 1: I think the shift, which I think there's multiple things,
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  Speaker 1: but I think one of the big shifts and where
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  Speaker 1: it became a problem with Joe and Schwartz is once
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  Speaker 1: Schwartz realized Joe wanted to be on the show. I
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  Speaker 1: think he was saying we had magic. For a while,
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  Speaker 1: it was say it was a miracle, like things were great,
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  Speaker 1: and I love that she wasn't into it. But then
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  Speaker 1: I think he realized she is into it, right, she
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  Speaker 1: wants to be on the show. And I think, as
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  Speaker 1: a man who has been on a relationship on a
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  Speaker 1: television show for a very long time, feeling like someone
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  Speaker 1: likes you for you was probably a good feeling. And
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  Speaker 1: then having.
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  Speaker 2: That shift, Yeah, because she definitely. I mean I've never
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  Speaker 2: seen someone do so many Instagram lives like she does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think she wants I mean she's
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  Speaker 1: gone on Rachel's podcast. I think she'd probably come on
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  Speaker 1: here if we wanted her. But after that awkward reunion, no,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't even think I'm interested. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I also wanted her to stop taking her
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  Speaker 1: earring in and out. I understand that she made an
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  Speaker 1: earring choice that hurts, and we all do. But like
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  Speaker 1: you have to leave it, yeah, let it go or
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  Speaker 1: just take them out. Suffering, just suffer.
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  Speaker 2: I don't suffered through reunions where my dress was like
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  Speaker 2: so tight and you just you just wait until the end.
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  Speaker 2: You just you're going to pass out at any moment,
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  Speaker 2: but you just deal.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm suffering right now because it is
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  Speaker 1: so hot in this road. It is very hot here.
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  Speaker 1: I am suffering, like I have I was going to take.
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  Speaker 2: I have a sports for naked, like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a sports braw Never.
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  Speaker 1: Mind suffering, but I am grinning and bearing it. But
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  Speaker 1: I've just declared our producer to turn down. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Next one, Tom Schwartz worries Lola Kent could threaten the
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  Speaker 1: authenticity of Vanner Pump Rules. All right, what is your
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  Speaker 1: thought on this? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: The Vanner Pump Rules finale incorporated a popular media phenomena,
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  Speaker 2: breaking the fourth wall, essentially removing the barrier between actor
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  Speaker 2: and viewer. Schwartz said to Kristen on her podcast, Balancing
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  Speaker 2: act and talking about that and breaking the fourth wall,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Lately, I've been feeling like it's jeopardizing
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  Speaker 2: the authenticity of it because these are our real lives.
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  Speaker 2: We're not acting, we're not making up storylines. The audience
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  Speaker 2: is a where cameras boom, mics, hordes of people are
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  Speaker 2: off camera working to de of he TV magic. The
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  Speaker 2: question is, okay, do you want to be reminded of it?
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  Speaker 2: Like do you do you like it when they break
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  Speaker 2: the fourth wall? Yeah, sometimes I think it's necessary.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it when they refuse to break the
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  Speaker 1: fourth wall, So then you can't understand what the actual
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  Speaker 1: drama is. But what I am hoping is in the
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  Speaker 1: next part of the reunion, we see Jeremiah, we see
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  Speaker 1: that conversation that is, ultimately I think what caused all
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  Speaker 1: this drama. At the reunion, we start to see it. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: do you think they're going to show more than they showed? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: because he says I'm gonna I'm going to release the
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  Speaker 1: last seven minutes of the episode that nobody has seen yet.
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  Speaker 1: So my guess is at some point Katie loses it
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  Speaker 1: agrees with Lalla to. I could be completely wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: this is in my gut.
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  Speaker 2: Something happens, so do you think so far at this
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  Speaker 2: point when they're filming the reunion, that they've seen the
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  Speaker 2: finale episode where they do see them breaking the fourth wall?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think they left all of that outcome? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I think've seen what we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you think they've seen that much. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna So you think that at that point at
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  Speaker 2: the reunion, Arianna knows that like La La went off,
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  Speaker 2: and she agreed with her and.
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  Speaker 1: Twists right then, I think it's going to go further
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  Speaker 1: and they're all going to get very upset about their
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  Speaker 1: jobs and see.
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  Speaker 2: It made me wonder if if they had seen that already,
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  Speaker 2: because I felt like Arianna was kind of fine with
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  Speaker 2: La La even though La La went off.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of fake voices, Ariana was using one this
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  Speaker 1: entire reunion. Was she you didn't notice? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: great job, But like she's like, yeah, La La, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: because you're the one that speaks the loudest. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I still remember you were like comet. That's
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  Speaker 1: how I think of you. Now we are like now
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  Speaker 1: that we're on Broadway, we're prim and proper.
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  Speaker 2: She has a baby voice now says a baby voice.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm just here. I didn't have time to watch
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's how I felt like she comes off. She
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  Speaker 2: comes off very aloof like I felt like she was
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  Speaker 2: very disinterested.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Every once in a while she'll just like perk up
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  Speaker 2: a little and make like a face, like a side eye.
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  Speaker 1: It was like when you see I don't know, she
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  Speaker 1: looked beautiful. Yeah, but I think I think episode three
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  Speaker 1: is where we'll see her actually start show emotions. But
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  Speaker 1: I think she's holding it all in to be strong.
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  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes people, when you're trying to be strong,
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  Speaker 1: you get very quiet quiet, Yeah, and you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to start to argue because you may lose your shit.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I do that a lot, you do. I'm like
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  Speaker 2: a sniper. If I'm very quiet, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Bad you're playing your scheme.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone like should like leave the room.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't ever want you quiet around me.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a little scared. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into the reunion. Well that was quick break, and now
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  Speaker 1: we're back and it's still hot in hair.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I feel the air though, I can feel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so nice on the left side of the couch.
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  Speaker 2: Well, see, that's what happens when you pick the side
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  Speaker 2: that you want because your hair looks better on one side.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happens.
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  Speaker 2: I did because I hit the error.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, if you had roots as bad as you would
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  Speaker 1: want to pick the side. What is going on with that?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: They're getting done on Friday? And I couldn't deal. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I know it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: all this.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: What is your real hair color?
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  Speaker 1: Is a blonde? I have no idea. I've been dying
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  Speaker 1: it since the seventh grade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, my it looks black.
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  Speaker 1: I know it looks black. It's probably the same color
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  Speaker 1: as slates. But when I was in seventh or eighth grade,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I died at egg plant.
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  Speaker 2: With the egg plant.
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  Speaker 1: Is that purple? It's purple egg plant with white stripes
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: in the front. Oh, I thought that was hot. My
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: parents were really proud, you know, like I've consistently been
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: stand up for them. Anyways, we're at the reunion. Ariana
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: stands up for Katie, saying she's always been authentic on
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: camera for eleven years. It doesn't bother Ariana that Katie
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: was saying these things behind her back. Lalla feels Katie
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: made her the enemy this season. Despite this, Lalla thinks
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: her and Katie will continue to be the way they
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: always are on the up.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel like I agree with
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: what Lala's saying where she in her head, she's thinking,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: but we have these conversations where you're frustrated with Ariana,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: and then we start filming and you're not frustrated with
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: her anymore. So I think she makes a valid point,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Like I understand where she's coming from. I understand how
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: frustrating that is to have conversations about someone else that
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you're on a cast with and you both feel like
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you're on the same page and you feel the same way, and.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Then you start filming and you have the conversation that
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a person's looking at like you're on.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Glue, right, and then you're like, wait, but I thought
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: about this. Now I look like an asshole because I'm
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: the one being honest about how we both felt and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you're not. And so I can understand her frustration.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I think Katie's like, back off, I just I'm here
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: to sell tuna meltz. Just let me live in my life.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I'm loaning to everyone at this point, let me live right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: If I want to talk about my friend behind her back,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: let me like, why do you got to hold me?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I think you could tell by Katie's face she was
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: shocked by it. You mean you didn't think she didn't
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: think that La would bring it up?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Does she not know La?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: La? I think this is the first time they've had
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to they've had that like mutual friend that I don't
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: know that they're protecting or that they're having their back for.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: But I also get I get Lawa's side, but I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: also get Katie's.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Side, Like no, I do too. I can see both sides,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: but it's like I don't know which way you go though,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, which what would you do?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Well? I think I probably would have immediately had a
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: confrontation with Ariana, Like I think even if she was
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: going through a hard time, I'd be like, listen, we
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: need to know now, like where we go from here.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm very straightforward in that way. Yeah, I don't like
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: to leave much for interpretation, So I think I would
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: have probably confronted my grievances to that person originally. So
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: if Katie waseling that way, I feel like it would
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: have made for very good television.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: For her to say that to Arianna at the beginning
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and have the conversation and just put it all out there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I whatever, the imposter syndrome, all those things,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Like I'm feeling insecure. I'm so excited for you. I
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: don't want this to take away from all the exciting
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: things happening to you, but I'm feeling yeah that that
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: is what I think is missing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it would have been more interesting
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: because I feel like all we get from Arianna is
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: just the hatred towards Tom. So, like, give me something else,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Like you give me a real conversation that you're having
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: with a friend instead of just looking like you two
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: are two teas in a pot, but without any context,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you're just loyal to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Because nobody I mean, no matter ho.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Actually I meant two peas, but I'm so used to
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: saying to no, I can't say two peas, I have
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to say two teas.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, branding hashtag fail it. But I think because of that,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it makes it frustrating. And I think that's what Schwartz
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: is saying when it comes to breaking the fourth wall
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff is like, don't out us for
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: not being authentic on camera because it's gonna screw us over.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But I think that's what's happening. And I think it's
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: also because there is fear surrounding saying anything negative involving
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Ariana because what she's been through.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's sad, and it's it's difficult to have
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: an authentic show when everybody is scared to talk about
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: what the way they really feel, you know, because of backlash.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I mean you could feel. Even Sheena was annoyed when
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Arianna said I haven't watched the show. She knows, like, well,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: she like you went to bring up something about sheen
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: wat and I mean, I don't watch.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But here's but I don't watch because I don't want
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to watch. I don't I don't say like I don't
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: watch because I don't have time. I have time, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: just don't want to. But here's this is not like
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I'm out there doing like Jersey Mike's endorsements or anything
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you would.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I would. But I'm going to tell you this now
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that I'm going to be recapping you, like now start
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: not only should you start being nicer, but you should
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: start watching because I'm gonna be watching you with the fine.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be watching and then I expect a full
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: breakdown after every episode.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get it on the pod. I need it
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: in a text. I don't listen. You can get a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: voice note.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: That's fun, all right.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Then Lala tells everyone why her situation with Randall is
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: extremely different from Ariana situation with Randall. I know you're
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: gonna agree with Lala on this. Maybe I know, because
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you're saying, how do you put boundaries? I'm putting words
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in your mouth. You're like, what am I saying? You
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: haven't said it, but I know what you're thinking. But
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Lala saying what's different is once she put those boundaries down,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: those went across the board. And Arian is saying, your
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: boundaries don't have to look the same as mine, but
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you have to respect them. I don't know, we'll see again.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I felt like, I don't know if Lala was trying
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: not to break the fourth wall, because you can't break
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the fourth wall the reunion, like they tell you, like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: whatever you have to say at the reunion, because to me,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the biggest fundamental difference between when you make that comparison
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: is the fact that Randall isn't a cast member. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: mean we've always said, like Tom is on the cast,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: like he is on the.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Show, So.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: You have a job, you're getting a paycheck, You've been
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: on the show a long time. He is a cast member.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So the boundaries aren't they're different. It's different.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But I also can say the way Arianna handled this conversation,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's just like nailing it on
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: her own or I need to like give props to Susan,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: our publicist, And also like Susan, where's this type of
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: advice when it comes to me?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You're down low on the totals, baby voice, handle shit
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: better make the other people look worse?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Like, where's that info for me, Susan? But on this one,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I see both sides as well. Why did they If
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: if we would have gotten the ari on it that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: was said that end with Sandoval, I don't think this
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: would have been as big of an issue. But the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: stuff Ariana said at the beginning, yeah, I think is
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: what made it hard. Well, I mean let's make it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Let's say, instead of it being Sandoval, what if a
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: cast member said, I don't like Sena, so I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: want anybody to be friends with Sheena. I don't want
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you to hang out with Sheena. I want you to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: film with Sheena.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Understand that Tom did her wrong, but at the end
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of the day, you don't get to dictate who films
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: with who, who likes who, who's friends with who?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But also, do you care, like, is there anyone on
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Orange County that you would be Like with the Shena
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and Ariana conversation when they're talking in the pool and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: she's like, will you do it for me? Like, is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: there anyone you would feel like, oh, I have to do?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Like you care what that other person thinks so much
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: about this friendship?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: You mean that I would let them dictate you I
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: film with her?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Who I talked to? Ye?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: No, because I've been that close to Gina for six years.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And I mean I was always friendly with Shannon when
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Shannon hated Gina, do you know what I mean? So
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I've always felt like I've never let anyone dictate who
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I'm who you're alay with, or who I.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Have a relationship with. Right, But I think that is
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: what we're saying is the girls really want to stand
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: by Ariana one because they know that she got picked
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: over but two because they're afraid. They're afraid. Yeah, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and she made it clear where she stood. But then
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Ariana explains why she didn't tell Shena about Dancing with
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the Stars. There was a leak, and then Sena found
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: out about Arian's Broadway debut by accident. Then this part
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: kind of made me laugh. Andy thinks it's cool at
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: this point, like Dancing with the Stars.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: She just had to rub it in even more right, He's.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Like, it's cruel. God. I was like, Andy, can you
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: pitch for me to be on a show? Like? Can they? Hello? Right,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it's cruel at this point that I have to recap
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: all these shows that I'm not on.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Do you want to do Dancing with the Stars?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Do you think I would be good at it? No?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But I think it would be fine to watch. Let
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: me be clear, I wouldn't be mad at you if
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you didn't tell me you got Dancing with the Stars.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I've always wanted to be Can we tell that out
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: there Dancing with the Stars. I even have like the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: whole hip replacement backstory.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I had the cancer backstory.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's a good one too.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to learn, but I don't know that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I mean replacement though, I feel like I don't know, Well,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you could also have an injury or like a fall
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like Vanderpump did. Oh yeah, Like is she going to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: feel good enough to continue? Okay, there's real you cast?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Is it you not Sudden? No?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I wish it was me not sudden, but
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it's not me. Well, and both of her hips work fine,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: like I don't understand, like I definitely have the better backstory.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I have a titanium hip, damn it. Then Andy welcomes
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Ali and Joe to the reunion. Joe, listen, I'm not
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Joe's biggest fan, but she comes in under fire immediately,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: like there's not even James can be nice to do? Ye,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Like Joe tried to like help James out and he's like, yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I know, I've watched myself on the show for a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: million years. I know, like nobody wanted her there, which
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: leads me to believe that's got amazing. I'm wondering if
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that's why she's acting super bizarre.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: A needy, like trying to like get just well, her
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: time on the show is done now right, I mean,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: there's no reason for her to be back if there's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: another season, Joe wouldn't be around.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: No, Joe's done. That was we're seeing the end of show.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's the So you're saying, maybe that's why
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: all the all odd bizarre instagram lives, Like she just
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: keeps trying to get out there and have conversations and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: create media.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's hoping that it'll catch on or that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: somebody will do. I think that Short's kind of probably
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: screwed her over, and to some extent, of course you did,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but I think there's more to this story. I'm not
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: going to actually fully spell it out, but other than
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Joe wanting to be on the show and that bothering Schwartz.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think, like clearly Schwartz screwed her over, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't bother me.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I mean because I don't feel badly for her. She's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: an adult woman.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I think it was very clear that he was interested
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: in hiding their relationship. He wasn't making it public, he
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: didn't want to tell anybody about it. He's like keeping
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: her hidden in his apartment. He's telling people like with
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: her around that they're not dating dating, Well, he's dating,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and she's stating there holding his hat like he made
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: it very clear. I think that he I mean, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: get it, he was probably saying I love you at home,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: but how I mean, come on, if he's saying I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: love you at home, but then he's speed dating and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: making you hold his hat like he's clearly not interested.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually he didn't even give her the hat.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: He gave it to the word.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Right girl that he likes. So I'm just saying, I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: don't really feel that badly.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I don't, But I also feel like there's something else
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: they're not talking about. Something happened, in my opinion, with
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Schwartz and his brother and all of that that made
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: him change whatever it is that he was doing in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: his life. And I think that Joe was a part
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of whatever, because there's something they keep alluding to, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they go, we don't need to talk about that on
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the show. We don't need to talk They said it
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: four to five times, we don't need to talk about
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: on the show. I'm like, well, I need to talk
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: about it. I need to know what you're talking about,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: because it can't just be that she wanted to be
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: on a television show. That's one, but what are the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: other reasons?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, Well, if you could get Joe onto the podcast,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: he would ask her that that would be a reason
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to have her on.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I don't trust Joe, I texted Schwartz, if I'm being honest,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Normally he texted me right back. But I text him
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and said, can I call you one speaker? I have
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a question for you from the pod? And he hasn't responded,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But it is pretty early for Schwartz, so like maybe
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: he isn't awake, but it has been delivered.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: What were you going to ask him?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him what that thing is that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they're not actually saying.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: He's going to tell you, Yeah, why you're recording a
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: podcast I do on speakerphone?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he can't to himself, he really can't. If somebody
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: were to have dug into him in that moment and said,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: he would have given in. But I think everybody kind
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: of respected the boundaries because they all know whatever those
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: boundaries are. But then we get into him talking about
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: his new girlfriend Sophia.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Why did he have to start it with like she's beautiful?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And what did he say? I don't know, she's like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: like the most beautiful girl ever. I mean, not that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that's like my least favorite thing about her. Then you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: don't lead with it. Then you're like, she's funny, she's smart,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: she's cool, she's got a good job, she's of course beautiful.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: You don't lead if I.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Mean, well, how awkward is that what Joe is sitting
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: right next to him? And then I might have felt
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: sorry for her like a little bit in that moment.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I like, at this point, Joe has pushed him to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the point where he's trying to almost be mean to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: her to get her to go away. Yeah, Like, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: don't think it's actually gas lighting at this point. I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: think he's like, listen, here's the fire, bitch, it's over.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you what's done. Get me out of your phone.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Quit talking about I am done. And she's not.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: She's not done. She has more Instagram lives to do well.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Even when she left, she said I'm gonna go home
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to cry, and I was like, but also she was
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: being very bizarre to Katie, Like Katie made very good points,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and she was like, listen, you know, I feel like
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I was going through a lot and the last thing
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I need to deal with was you. And she's like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: am I hearing this right?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, you are hearing ye right, Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And actually what I'm saying makes perfect sent Also, she
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: didn't know what bread crumbing meant.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means either.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: What is that I'll be like little bread crumbs so
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: they can fall?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like in a relationship. Yeah, so like a guy
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: just gives like a little I've been married a long time.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Follow the bread crumbs here, I'll leave him right out.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Can I have some crackers? My gosh. Then Katie has
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: continuously stated how much she dislikes Joe. Then we get flashbacks.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It's I don't really know that I have anything else
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to say about Joe.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: No, I really don't either. It We've we've spent a
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: lot of time on Joe. We're at our threshold.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You know what. Bye Joe, Bye Joe. We wish you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the best, Joe. We won't see you next season, but
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we won't see you next year.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Joe, walk with your Instagram lives.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe you'll make it onto our rundown if you keep
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it up, but we can't make any promises. Then we
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: get into James responding to Rachel's accusations that Hippy's behavior
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: is bad because of the way James treated him, and
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Lisa knew that James would be a great dad to Hippie.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: This is the part that confuses me. I am surprised
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that Lisa allowed the conversation that a dog was to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: be purchased and then shipped across the country all of that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't feel like for the dog.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, granted, people do that all the time. Yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: but that's not a very vander Pump dog's right type
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of dog. Perty Well, do you think that she should
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: have intervened? And I'm surprised she was like, well, I'm
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: just surprised she didn't have any comment.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: On that, right unless they cut it out?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. True. But then they talk about some of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: compromises he's made for Ali, where Ali, I think Ali
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't really let him like, she doesn't let him wiggle
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: at all, Like she kind of holds him.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: No, she holds him accountable. And the fact that she
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: moved out for two days when he drank and she
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't like how he is when he drinks. Like, I
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: give her props for being strong and having like a
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: solid line, Like it's very black and white with her,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and that's good you know, I.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Think so too, But I also think if they were
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to get engaged, what do you think the chances are
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that those two end up together.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because she made it clear that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: even if they got engaged anytime soon, it would have
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to be a long engagement.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But sometimes people do that because they really want to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: get engaged.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: You mean they just want to get engaged.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: No, they want like they want to feel like she's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: at the age where she may still be playing the game,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you know, like she may be like, oh, well, I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean I wouldn't if I really didn't
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: want to get married, I wouldn't want somebody to propose
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: So you're saying she would just say okay, even knowing
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: that it probably wouldn't work out.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, no, that's what she's saying. She goes, well, if
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I would say yes now, but it would be a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: very long time. It would be a very drawn out engagement.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't really get that, Like, you either want to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: get married or you don't, Like, I have no interest
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in granted I'm divorced and remarried, but I have no
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: interest in getting engaged to multiple people. Yeah, just so
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I can have a ring on my finger just to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: appease somebody.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: What do you think about her on the show?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Like, do you think she's like we clearly thought that
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Joe's in it for the show, Like Joe likes the spot,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: likes she likes me on the show.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: What do you think about Ali? I think Ali likes Jane.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I think Ali also wants to and I think this
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is fine to be both things. I think Ali wants
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: her career in the music industry. I think she wants
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to promote her readings all of those things. But I
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: think she really does like James, and I think he
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: really does like her. But I think there's something inside
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of James where he cannot be alone because there's a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: void there and he just feels like it's like this
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: ultimate neglect, which is why he quits drinking every single
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: time a girl says that they will leave him if
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: he doesn't stop, but then starts back up when they
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: do leave him. When James got very upset with Sandoval
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: ten minutes after this conversation regarding Hippie and oh was
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that the Egdonna's dog and all that stuff, I think
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that had zero to do with anything Sandoval said, I
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: think it had to do all with what Ali had
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: said about you think it saying that she'd leave again
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: if he started drinking. I think he was holding it in, Yeah,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: because he didn't want to be aggressive with Ali and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: he knew he could be with Sandom. Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Because that's interesting because Shane was actually in the room
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: during that scene and he goes, what just happened? He goes,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even understand what just happened? Yeah, where it
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: went to that level of anger and it didn't There
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: was no context for it, like it just came out
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: of nowhere.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know what, whoever is the primary carekeeper of
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the dog is the one that's going to get the dog.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But like to go from that to that, I think
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: was really he was annoyed with the alley situation. Anne
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: is referred to as Star of the Year on vander
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Pumper Rules. I'm surprised Anne wasn't a surprise guest.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, unless she comes out in the next one.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Because A do cell commercials, she didn't have time for Dura.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Cel hook us up because like I'm I use batteries, listen, I've.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Never had Dura cel all for anyone offer me to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: do a commercial. I've been on TV for six years now,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: What you're offering right now? Yeah, six years.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I've been on TV for six years now. I don't
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: no one's knocking out my door to ask me to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: do commercials. And Ann's made like a few scenes here and.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: There also a post on her instant that people fly
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: her to watch what Happens Live. Well, I mean, Durusil,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it could have been you. Yeah, a trip sponsored by Drusso.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: But anyways, coming up. In part three of the Union,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Andrew reveals that they're going to watch the last few
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: minutes of the season finale together. Lala is yelling at
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: someone to respect her position on the show, and Sandoval
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is sobbing as he tries to apologize to Ariana, to
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: which she responds. And this, I felt was a really
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: heartfelt moment. I just want you away from me. I
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: want you gone.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. That was I mean, that
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: was tough to see and I understand.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I felt like both emotions were real in that moment. Yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: we're in this together, but we really don't want to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: be see. I felt like the second reunion was just very.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And then the third one is where yeah, all the
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: intensity is going to come out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if they're going to give Laala any redemption.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: They're just going to keep making her look like the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: catalyst and the one that's creating all this drama within
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the friend group. But yeah, I don't know. I also
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: am a little bit curious why Brock stayed the whole
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: time and the other ones zipped out. Brock's are just
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: there to make like small comments ship talk, like like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that's he's there. For one.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: He did that with Schwartz, right, he made some comment
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: about his marriage or something.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Both of them. I was like, so what But him
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and she and I haven't really had any like connection
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: or talking much.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: No, and they haven't talked about their relationship at all
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: really no.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Just about his stuff with the kids the episode one,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: But who knows. I am it has made me more interested.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: But let's take a quick break and come back to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: talk about Valley Season one, episode nine. This episode of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: The Valley is brought to you by Jackson's number one
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: guy in the group, Huddy. Like I have smelled like
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: sweat and tequilla at this point, like he's always sweaty.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: He is, I mean it's a man I have ever seen,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: not a sweaty as me right now.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: But he's so moist all the time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I want you to look at how your mouth looks
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: when you say the I'm gonna say it again. It's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: to bother you. He disgusted.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: He's so moist.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, he just looks like he needs those like you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: know those makeup, Yeah, like I know I need one
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: right now, to the little powder pat he just needs
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to put some in his pocket. And just you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like he may use self tanner, not like
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: even spray tans, but he uses his own self tanner.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Which clogs his poor yes, and then it's just like
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: permanently sweaty. Yeah, yeah, that would make sense.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: But it starts where the conversation between Michelle and Jack's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you, I thought this was gonna
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: go a different way. I was like, he's like, so
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I heard your sexting celebrities, and she's like, well I am,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: but it's just clearly marketing, like yeah, and then she's like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of course Jesse knows. And at this point you realize
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: their marriage.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But was there ever really any confirmation of whether she
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: sends nude photos or sexy photos or whatever, or did
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: she just kind of glaze over that part?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And she does. I went back and looked at a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: million old photos of Michelle and Jesse. I took the time.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Where do you have this time? You know what? I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: don't sleep so during I fall.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: This is why you don't get your roots done because
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: you're too busy. I'm doing this stuff.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Listen, you want to ask me anything about p Diddy?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Quiz mey. I know every thing there is to know, like, honestly,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: ask I mean, he's even where is he right now?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: That I don't know? But anything else that you can
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: find out on TikTok or anything else. The baby mama
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that loves Sean Combe's instagram. How he's involved with Michael
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Jackson's death. I'm I'm involved. Well, you should just have
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: your own podcast, honestly. Can we do a popping off
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: episode where you get Aubrey O'Day on because that okay, Maya.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Shane's really good friends as an attorney. His name is
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Cyrus and he's like, was best friends with Audrey Aubrey.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Whatever the hell her name is? What's her name? Aubrey Aubrey,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: but it might be Audrey Aubrey like they were best friends,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: like all through college. Well, I watched the TMC Investigates
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: last night and she had to have been reading from
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a script.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't know what you're talking. What is she
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: being investigatd.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Peaty because she was on Danity Kane. Oh, yeah, Culture
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: for the Love.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're I think I was in
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: law school oh when that was going on.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Sorrys in law school too, was second bar exam during that. Anyways,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: we get back to texting celebrities. I really need to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: know who the celebrity was. Is he hot? Well?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Do you still think it's Michael Bay?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Oh? I think that was the next guy. I think
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that was whatever celebrity I think is an actor because
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: she was like, I was really excited.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Do you think everyone on the cast knows who the
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: celebrity is? Yes, okay, so we're going to ask Janet.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, we forgot to tell you, guys, Emily met Janet.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I met Janet and she's lovely by the way, which
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: now we don't know if we're biased human beings, Like
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: if one of us meets the person and says that
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: we like them, then all of a sudden we forget
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: all of the bad things that we've said in the past. Yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and there are new favorites.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Well, when I met her, I asked her, I said,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: how does it feel to be the villain?
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Oh? What she said?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: She goes, I don't know how that happened? And I
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: was like, well, you're really good at it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Do you know we talked shit? I don't think so, because.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: She agreed to come on, So I feel like she
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't know, so nobody tell her.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: No, Please, guys, don't tell tall the things we've said,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: because this is actually Janet's best episode. By the way,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Congratulations Janet. I don't know if I feel that way
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: because now you're coming on and I like you, or
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: if this was really just a good we like Janet.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: We just like to talk shit too. So but then
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we see this happen, and then we see
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Jack's confronting Brittany about throwing up, saying she's the only
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: one of the women throwing up. Everyone else is normal.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Why can't you be? I don't know, like everyone else
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: is normal, why can't you be? Like it's very narcissistic,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: well kind.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Of clearly his delivery, Like I actually feel like he
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: has valid points when it comes to the drinking or
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: whatever is going on, because we see her get sick
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: multiple times, so clearly there's an issue. I don't know
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: if it has to do with her ulcer. I don't
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: know if she really is dream you too much. I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: don't know if she's only drinking a little. But then,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: but when you're repeatedly getting sick and it ruins your
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: entire day and you have to stay in bed, it
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: is a problem. I don't disagree with it being a problem,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: but it's the delivery. And we don't know if it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: a drinking. We don't know if it's partying. We don't
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: know any of the things. But if you're in a
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: situation in your life, in any part of your health,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: where you can't get up and go to work right,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and it happens multiple time, so you're on notice, you
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: know what happens anyway. So I don't disagree with his sentiment,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I disagree with with how he talks to her.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: With his delivery. And then I also was confused are
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the girls lying for her? Because at first it was
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I drank nothing right, and then it was two, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: then it was I had two shots. It's always two.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Do you notice that it's always it's like.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: How many people have you had sex with? Three? Oh?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Everyone says three? Oh?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: They say three?
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how many of you had three?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I always I say two.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Oh you do? I like to go with three. It
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: feels it feels like it was a little bit wild.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, three is a little bit wild.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I've gotten to the point where
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I watched them. I don't see the love there anymore
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: between Brittany and Jackson. Yeah. No, I feel like this
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: relationship is done donezo over because you do think. I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: think what she's the most pissed about when he is
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: being completely inappropriate and wanting all her friends to talk
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: shit about her and throw under the bus, and he's
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: clearly had two bottles of tequila and she can't have
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: two shots or whatever it may be, is she wants
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: him to have her back, and even on national television,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: he won't, right, And that's got to be a really
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: And he would have loved it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: If everybody else would have joined in and talked about it,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: he would he would have like ate it up, He
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: would have kept going. He would have been like, you're right,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and he would have been like it would have been
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: even worse. He she's lucky that they were all respected
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: her enough to not engage.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But also at the end of the day, all she
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: did was throw up versus where Jesse was physically fighting
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Danny and you know everybody else. I mean, by the end,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Danny's so drunk he like can't even tell what he's
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: upset about. He's like about the thing and wait, is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: that what he was crying? Yeah? Well I was right
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: before the cry before they went outside. Michelle goes up
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: talks to Jesse. He's in full going out outfit, like
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: loafers with no socks all things.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about Jesse being on the bottle of
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Trim with Anna Nicole Smith? He was hot, he was hot.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: He's in my DMS right now, is he? Yeah? I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: mean because I have slid into his DMS at the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: beginning of the valley just to say, like, you want
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to come on the pod. But he's now apparently just
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's realized the plus ninety nine or whatever, and so
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he's like, hey, just went deep down in the DMS.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Happy to come on. I think you've talked to my
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: manager and we have buddy, see you soon. We saw
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you looking hot. On the trim spot.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Popular. I don't know it had to be ninety.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Well, she died in seven, so yeah, did you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Ever try trimspaw? Probably? I did. Probably, I've probably done
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it all now they're all cooking. We've gotten through the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: like texting with celebrities, sending sexy photos that okay.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Wait, can I ask you though, do you think jesse
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: so do you really think jesse knew everything about Michelle texting?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I mean she left out the part about her being
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: didn't she leave out the part about being accused of
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: sending sexy photo?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Or did she tell him that too? She Jax ended
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: up telling him that because I remember immediately He's like Jack's,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want to play the game of telephone. I
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: think what really is happening, and we'll ask them when
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: they're on the pod. I think they were done by then.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I think that relationship was done and they're over and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: they're try trying to keep it together and slowly backing
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah. I think that they're so far done.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're into each other. She cringes when
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: he touches her. Yeah, she clearly doesn't even care to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know, and he's.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, sure, I knew she was texting slowly.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see Edwin be like, yeah, I'm fine
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: with Cheddy texting whoever. Like I even tell him when
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I have a DM moment with somebody that's not even sexual.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just so you know, I was on Oliver
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Hudson's podcast and we DM.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Like, I, oh, you feel like you feel like you
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: have to tell me?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I tell him the joke. Well, Shane
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: has access.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: To my instagram, So do you think he goes on
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: and looks yeah, because he knows that. Like sometimes all
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: like forward like guys working out to like my girlfriends
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: will be like.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Oh he's hot, like the guy with the penis that
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: always flops?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Oh the guy guy, why is it always.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: On my floor? Because I probably forwarded it? All right,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: But then we get to uh, Michelle saying getting kind
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of upset with Nia because Nia didn't stand up for
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the fact I.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Should understand this. Can you explaining that situation about the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Santa Clarita? I don't get it?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I guess Danny is a realist and realizes
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: they can only afford a house if they live in
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Santa Clarita. Okay, Michelle said she never heard what Santa
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Clarita is. Blah blah blah. Nia said, I wouldn't actually
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: want to live in Santa Clarita because I don't want
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: to feel like an outcast from my relationship and friends.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: But then Michelle went to show them a house, and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Nia in the moment did not say anything bad about
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the house. I don't think me is going to say
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: something bad about anybody regardless.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: No, she just doesn't have that kind of personality.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to talk about somebody's house,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: whether it's in the San Fernando Vouse anything. Well, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: know it next week's going to be bad. Something happens
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: between the next week. But I did wonder why the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: AI was like who triggered you to want to go
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: for Nia? For Nia me yah, like why do you
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: need to go for her? But then the men drunken
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: conversation outside. I don't know that was that was.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've that was an awkward. First of all,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I've been married to Shane for fifteen years. I've never
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: seen him cry, not one time.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I've seen a him cry twice. Yes, and something about
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: his mom.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: See, I think that fifteen years never seen him cry.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: So watching men sitting around cry was very odd for me.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: They had been like, damn, I didn't even understand what
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Danny was crying about because he said he doesn't.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: He was like, I don't have thick skin or something.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Not sleeping. I'm in a ting top, it's snowing, like.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I think he was just in a rough way. I
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: think somebody probably should have put Danny to bed prior
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: with the babies.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Danny put his shirt on.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: You're Binky nine night. But I think Neia didn't realize
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the level he was at because she was probably.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: If Nia knew that was going on, she lost her mind.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Nia is like, makes me look like I'm casual with control.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: She would have been like she would have been like
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: right in there because.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: No more. But then you know, we start to hear
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit more about Jesse and Jack's and then
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: this party didn't really get Janet walks outside and Janet
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: was cooking. She is on her baby moon, but she
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: comes out and Jesse kind of loses a ship on her.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Because she comes out and tells him dinners ready, how
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: dare you cook?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: For me pregnant, beyond get back in the kitchen. Where
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: are you? This is? Then instead you're crying, go back.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You're giving each other hand jobs because none of his
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: old sex and so long, and you don't mind, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: this is going to be bad. But then Janet's husband
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: haven't learned his name yet, maybe the season. Then Janet's husband,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: we'll just call him Janet's husband. Janet's husband, of course,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: goes running to her, and he had and the most loved.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And I was like, listen, Janet's husband, my husband. I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: would eat you alive. I would swallow you up, okay,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: choke you down and torture you. But here's you are
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: so nice and good. Right.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: But here's the question, though, would he genuinely have done
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that if he wasn't outside with a bunch of douchebags
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: who yell at women.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think so do you.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's like he was like sitting out there
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: with all those guys and Jax's yelling at Brittany and
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Jesse doesn't like.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Michelle, and Danny's crying, and Janet's husband didn't even do that.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: He was just Janet. He was just sitting there Janet's
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: husband said nothing, I know, but I felt like.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: He had to go and like redeem himself because he
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: got like he was.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Because he was in proximity of assholes. Yes, he's like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I got it. I kind of run in there really
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: fast and apologize. But Janet's husband, he was like ship
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: when baby comes, life's about to be really bad. But
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: he knew what to do. He like or offered her water.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: But also then I have to throw a little shade
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: because all this talk about cooking dinner. I don't cook
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a lot, but I can make a freaking burger and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: a hot dog. I was waiting was elaborate item that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: took all of this time.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I saw them mixing things and.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Nobody was eating anything that was mixed. No, I only
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: saw the hot hamburgers and hot dogs. But there I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: saw with a fine tooth comb was like, where is
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the item she's been cooking? Because I does she mean
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: prepping because we I'm very particular with I.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Don't know, but that's a good question for Janet. Yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: we want to know the menu. I want to know
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the menu. I want to know what you made.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Was there a keen lost salad?
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: We didn't see maybe I feel like maybe there was
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: like a pasta salad or something in there.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, fine, if that's happening. But then Jack's asked the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: women how much Brittany was drinking on the boat. Brittany
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: comes out from the bedroom. Brittany, I love you. You need
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: different glasses because the fact that they match right where
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: your eyebrow is.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Do they cover the eyebrow?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: There's two eyebrows.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see it's like right below the eyebrow.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Kline. Like love her, but like we all like I
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: make bad fashion choices. I made one today, but like
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I need the glasses to shift. Yeah. But she comes
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: out and she's like Jacks Jacks, but yeah, but she
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: emphasizes she does not have a drinking problem. Her body
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: is just turning against her because she's unhappy, which could
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: be true.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that. It might be like stress sickness,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, do you does something happen to
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: like when I get stressed, I get alopecia, Like I
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: have a bold spot in the back of my head
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: right now, I have roseicia. So maybe hers is like
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: she throws.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Up, which I can say, like one of my babies
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: when they were little, when they didn't want to go
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: to bed, and I would put them to sleep and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: they want to get they would throw up because they
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: knew I would come in immediately if they threw.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Up, So they made themselves throw up.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: No, not like gag themselves, but they would be so
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: anxious that then they would like they'd be like, Mom,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I want to get up. I want to get up.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: And but they they grew out of it. But it
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: became like a thing that we had to nurture in
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a certain way. But it was they were looking for
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: something that we weren't giving them clearly. So I think
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it could be that, But it also I think the
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: conversation of here's the thing, and this is the bottom
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: line of this episode, Edwin. If I was if I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: was throwing up ninety percent of the time we were
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: hanging out with our friends while filming being paid, he would.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Be upset too, Yeah, totally.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: But the way he's speaking to her, the way that
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: he's implying that she has a drinking problem, if she
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: has an ulcer, if she has a medical condition, these
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: are things that we should be seeing playing out right now.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: We need to go to the doctor, we need to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: do this. We need to figure it out. It shouldn't
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: be now that she's a mother, This shouldn't be happening anymore.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Right If this has always happened the duration of your
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: entire marriage, your entire relationship, why do you think it
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: would change now? And then? Also, why do you not
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: have to change what she does?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Well, he's never going to change, but he's never going
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: to think he needs to change.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But also he thinks he's she's never going to leave him,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and now we know she has right, do you think
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: she's still gone or do you think she's going to
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: take him back?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. She posted that photo of
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: her Did you see that on her Instagram? The most
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: recent post she did where it said what did it say,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: like if my boyfriend's out of town or something?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't really know what I've been casting together.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: They're together all the time.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: They'll probably get back together.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're going to get back to I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: think she unless maybe they are back together. I don't know, Well,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what he means by she'll never leave me, Like,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: even if she does leave, it's never gonna last because
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: she's always gonna come back.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: But I think what can be true is that if
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: you're in a relationship with a jack sorry we love
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: you on television, but with a narcissist and they continuously
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: break you down and make you feel like you're not enough,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: they do have a way of always getting you back
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: because they have torn you down for so many years
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that you really feel like you're not enough. And I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: think that's as much as she's upset with the way
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: he's talking to her, I think she's also upset that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: she's not enough for him, and that's I mean, that's trauma, right.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: So you're saying, as long as she always feels that way,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: she'll always go back.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's really hard to not go back
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: if you feel like you still have more to give
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: if you didn't do yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Nothing, And it's hard when you have children together too.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think about Zach posting Instagram story
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: with big Bear location?
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, I didn't find that like the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: least bit funny, And then I didn't understand why Janet
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep that night because she was like, well,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: she was worried he was like in the bushes or
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: something like he was gonna jump out and scared.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Like he was going to be there next to laser
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: coming in.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: It made that whole thing made no sense to me.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I want to know how closes Zach and Janet actually
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: were before filming, because I haven't really seen very much
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: closeness with them, and I was talking about each other. Yeah,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: so I feel like they must have had a closer
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: relationship leading into this than that we're seeing. But also
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I don't I didn't want to do that spat day
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: at Christen's, Like, I don't want to come over to
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: your house, No, with all the dogs. I mean, I
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: love dogs, but like I don't want. I don't want.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want while my dogs are No, I don't.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Try to buy an Amazon foot spot and then have
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: me stick my feet into lukewarm water. I just kept
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: thinking about all the dog hair that's in that water,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: also the shap all of it. I didn't want any
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: of it. I didn't want that spa day, But I
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: also didn't want to be in Big Bear. Why do
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you think they couldn't have actually gone to a spot? Well,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I had to google it was this during COVID, but
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I thought it was four years ago.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe they filmed or they couldn't go anywhere.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: You have to realize, like why else would you not?
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Is the only place you can get a permit is
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: like Kristen's apartment, I guess, so that's the only place
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: they've had her film and she's been in the same
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: T shirt the whole damn time. I know it's been
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: rough for Kristen, but either way, between the two pey
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: and all the things, then we get to the men going.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: The men fishing. I like Jesse saying that he likes
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: renaissance women, not women with abs, and then he's talking
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: about how Michelle isn't like that, like she's not considered
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: that type of renaissance woman.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I guess because she's thin. Well, he said she didn't
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: used to always be this way. When I met her,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: she was bigger. I don't know exactly what he met,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: but I think her watching it back, she was definitely
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: like dide, he just me fat. I'll send him nudes
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: only if he's richer.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: But it gets a new personality.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: But then Danny says he's only ever been with short
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: women because he has Napoleon complex. Then they get a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: whole fight about Napoleon complex.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Napoleon complex is just like I always see, he's five seven. Yes,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: he has a big attitude. He totally has a Napoleon complex.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Dinger.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: It's it's very nice size considering he's five to seven.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's very well in dowed. I'll ask Gina, Oh
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: my goodness, my gosh. But this is where Jesse says
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Neo wears the pants and her and Danny's relationship. Jesse says,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Jax is always trying to prove himself and he doesn't
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: need to prove what. I don't actually remember him saying that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but Jesse has a lot to say
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: about other people's complexes and relationships and like he's like
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: the psychologists of the group.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I love that he's like JACKX, you know you
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: should be asking me about this part of the relationship,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you know, like this happening relationship. And at first I
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: didn't agree with him, and I agreed with Janet's husband,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: where like you're the last person, You're the last person
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: he asked, But actually he is, like I've already ked
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: all this up, Like if you want a chance of survival,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: do all of the things opposite than what I do, right,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: But Jack's pretty much just stepped in it there, and yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that's all that. They're done. He's just said he needs
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: to read the signs before it's too late.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: He says he misspoke. His marriage is far from being
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: on the fence.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Did you think about that makeup apology the next day
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: with the kissing and the I'm sorry but Jack's still
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: in the sweatshirt.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I felt like it was just like the obligatory We
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: got in a fight, so now we have to continue
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: on a story on camera. So now it's like, Okay,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: now we have to talk because we're obligated to talk
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: about it. So he said what he should say, I'm
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: sorry about that. I shouldn't have said that, and she's like, yeah,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: you were wrong, but I forgive you, and then let's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: have some beer cheese, and then that was the end. Yeah,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I know, I wish I kind of need to talk
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to her. Yeah, do DM do you get in her DMS?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. We have never had like that. No, Well,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I could try. She's from Indiana. I'm
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: from Ohio, so I'm from Indiana and she's still.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, maybe maybe she does.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe she hates me as much as you. No, no, impossible.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Well that's a round, guys, enjoyed. Gina and uh Emily, Emily, Emily?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: And that that other girl?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Another girl? Hopefully they'll do do us justice next week.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks guys, thanks for listening. M m
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: hm hm