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Taking Your Chat for the Holidays! | Thanksgiving Day X Space · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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Speaker 1: My name is Brian and this is the Twitter X
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Speaker 1: space xpace Conversations or x space chats. I don't know
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be like for now. I think a
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Speaker 1: substitute for the Badger Lodge conversations because the X space
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Speaker 1: lets anybody jump in and I can just kind of
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Speaker 1: like police it from here. I think it just works better,
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Speaker 1: and you know, it can be a little bit more
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Speaker 1: confrontational if people want to be confrontational, which I welcome.
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Speaker 1: in and I'll like give you, you know, ask a
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Speaker 1: request to speak, and I'll give you an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: say a few things. You know, you can yell at
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Speaker 1: me or whatever. But I also wanted to say Happy
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to my American brethren, my brothers and sisters in Christ,
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Speaker 1: because tomorrow's Thanksgiving and I am currently engaged in the
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Speaker 1: Nativity fast. But in the OCA we allow Thanksgiving exceptions,
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Speaker 1: so I'll be able to eat meat tomorrow, and well,
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Speaker 1: actually I can eat meat starting tonight because in the OCA,
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Speaker 1: the day begins when the sun goes down. It's it's weird,
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Speaker 1: but that's how it works. But anyway, so it's Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 1: So happy Thanksgiving guys for those of you guys who
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Speaker 1: there isn't anybody who joins with I don't know why
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Speaker 1: that would be, but it's starting to look that way.
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Speaker 1: I will say that I do have something to talk
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Speaker 1: so what do you guys got going on for Thanksgiving?
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Speaker 1: So I am here in Virginia and Lindsay and I
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Speaker 1: have no family, so we are going to basically be
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Speaker 1: spending it together with Jojo and we have turkey and
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Speaker 1: cranberry sauce. I think she bought the stuff and mashed
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Speaker 1: potatoes and pumpkin pie. No, sweet potato pie. I like
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Speaker 1: sweet potato pie. I think they both taste about the
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Speaker 1: same in my opinion. I know that's crazy, but they're
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Speaker 1: very similar. But yeah, sweet potato pie. So it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be amazing and I can't wait. And tonight we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have chili, which I'm also very excited for because I
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Speaker 1: haven't really been eating all day, so that's something to
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Speaker 1: get excited about. But yeah, we don't we're not going
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Speaker 1: to be seeing any family. I hope you guys are
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Speaker 1: going to be doing something that involves family or friends
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Speaker 1: or something social, and yeah, we will see what happens
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Speaker 1: with that. So there's this article a couple things that
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Speaker 1: are been going on that we could look at. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what you guys are interested in. But first,
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Speaker 1: there's a woman named Afton Baine, it's the weirdest name
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Speaker 1: I've ever heard, who is running for Congress of Tennessee.
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Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, Tennessee's seventh special election. And
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Speaker 1: apparently a clip of her has been going around of
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Speaker 1: her discussing the kinds of things that I guess a
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Speaker 1: you know, politician in a state like Tennessee would be
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Speaker 1: concerned with things like the patriarchy. So let me find
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Speaker 1: the Uh oh, it's not it's not here. This is
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Speaker 1: her page. Obviously, no, nothing damning will be leaked from
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Speaker 1: her page, but I can certainly, I can certainly find it.
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Speaker 1: So let's let's let's look for it because I saw
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Speaker 1: it and not long ago. And uh yeah, these are
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Speaker 1: the kinds of things that have leaked out. So she's
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Speaker 1: done a lot of crazy stuff, made an ass of
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Speaker 1: herself many times. She's definitely an activist more more than anything.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, here's a clip put up by Lips of TikTok,
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Speaker 1: which's usually pretty good. And we'll give this a listen
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Speaker 1: really quick, make sure that the sound worksops.
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Speaker 2: I think, as an organizer and as an activist, like
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Speaker 2: we really have an opportunity here in this country to
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Speaker 2: to talk about what type of policy, progressive policies we
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Speaker 2: want to see as young women, and I think we have,
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Speaker 2: you know, as as birth, you know, as women who
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Speaker 2: can give birth, men and women who can give birth.
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Speaker 2: We could maybe leverage that as collective bargaining, which is
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Speaker 2: the basis of this book.
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Speaker 1: That I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I've just started reading but called birth Strike and how
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Speaker 2: we can really leverage collective bargaining when it comes to
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Speaker 2: having children in this country. And so for example, like
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to give birth until the United States
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Speaker 2: government concedes ABCD.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Seem a little much?
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Speaker 1: I think? Okay. So she's definitely a progressive. Of course,
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Speaker 1: she is intersectional feminist, and she's quite radical. She's also
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Speaker 1: like she kind of hates her own state of the
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Speaker 1: There have been clips of her saying that she wants
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Speaker 1: to leave Tennessee, but she's like running for office, so
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Speaker 1: she wants to fundamentally transform it. But here's the thing,
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Speaker 1: she's pretty popular. She might win that seat with women.
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Speaker 1: So it's just what I guess what I'm getting at
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Speaker 1: is the framing is this, Okay, regardless of her policies,
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Speaker 1: we're at a We're in a really strange point in
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Speaker 1: history where women can be running for office or anybody
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Speaker 1: for that matter, men too, and have absolutely insane policy
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Speaker 1: ideas or beliefs that would normally be like it would
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Speaker 1: kill your political career, like to be like, for example,
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Speaker 1: in America, if you were like a Muslim, you couldn't
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Speaker 1: possibly win a seat, especially after nine to eleven. Right,
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Speaker 1: and now, like you know, we got a guy who's
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Speaker 1: going to be mayor in New York that's a Muslim,
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Speaker 1: and like you have like states like you know, Minneapolis
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Speaker 1: and Michigan. I think that are basically being like taken over,
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Speaker 1: you know, at least some of the larger districts. So
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Speaker 1: we've gone. And I think a lot of it has
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Speaker 1: to do with a lot of negative sentiment towards I
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Speaker 1: guess America as a patriarchal system, so as like inherently masculine.
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Speaker 1: Even if you could argue it isn't, but that doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: It's perceived that way by these people. And so in particular,
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Speaker 1: women are voting in like crazy, you know, like amounts
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Speaker 1: because they want to prove, I think, on some level
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Speaker 1: that they can undo what they perceive as the damage
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Speaker 1: that men have done with the last election, right, the
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Speaker 1: last presidential election. So they're really trying to turn things around.
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Speaker 1: They're ramping up to eleven. So this woman has really
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Speaker 1: crazy beliefs. She's she throws tantrums, like there's video of
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Speaker 1: her trying to like, you know, break into a room.
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Speaker 1: I guess Yeah, she's trying to get into a room
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Speaker 1: here in what I assume is the capital. That's her
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Speaker 1: or these two, I'm not really sure. And they have
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Speaker 1: security come and grab her and anchor out of there.
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Speaker 1: She's not supposed to be there, and they and they
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Speaker 1: have to do this, and of course they screamed and
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Speaker 1: they cry. There these are members of government acting like children. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: that was completely and they're like, like this would happen
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Speaker 1: to anybody, like you would. You gotta get a ring
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Speaker 1: with this. I mean it goes on for a while,
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Speaker 1: but absolutely like childish behavior. And this woman is winning
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Speaker 1: seats in Tennessee, as you can see. Let me see
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Speaker 1: if I can find it here. Yeah, so the pretty close,
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Speaker 1: pretty close here. These are polls only two points behind
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Speaker 1: the latest poll for Tennessee's seventh special election next week.
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Speaker 1: No wonder Republicans are panic jerry mandering reds. It's across
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Speaker 1: the country. This is a Trump plus twenty two district.
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Speaker 1: So this woman is killing it. I think it's I
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Speaker 1: think it's because she is basically like willing to say
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Speaker 1: the most crazy shit. So let me see, is anyone joining, Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we got a guy, we got a botch TV Hey, Botch,
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Speaker 1: if you want to say anything, let me know, send
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Speaker 1: me a message. I also have something else here. I
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Speaker 1: have this, So anyway that's afton Bane, I might I
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Speaker 1: might cover this on a news story and yeah, so
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Speaker 1: this is a storming Governor Lee's office, being physically removed
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Speaker 1: by officers and screaming uncontrollably. Yeah, then we have something else.
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Speaker 1: Like Goodfellow says, when women cry, women cry when they
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Speaker 1: are not hurt. They're doing it to manipulate. Yeah, they're
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Speaker 1: doing it to get a man to step in and
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Speaker 1: do something. It's like, why do why are women online
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Speaker 1: the biggest proponents of political violence, like on social media
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Speaker 1: that they're the ones saying, you know, we have to
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Speaker 1: do something about this. Whoever the enemy, right, we have
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Speaker 1: to take them out. How they victimize themselves help. Yesterday
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Speaker 1: on the news show, I covered a story of a
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Speaker 1: woman who was a Republican that did the same thing
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Speaker 1: that wasn't even necessary. I think it was just for
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Speaker 1: the attention. She wanted to go famous, like Jesse Smollett.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't even a necessary move, and it was I
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Speaker 1: think it was harmful to the cause of the Republican Party.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, because it's fuel for the left, especially
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Speaker 1: if it now that it's obviously a hoax. Nobody wants that,
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Speaker 1: so I think it's just really childish. And then we
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Speaker 1: have this article from The Times. I think that The
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Speaker 1: Times is just short for the New York Times. It's
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Speaker 1: called men are in trouble, But whose fault is it?
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Speaker 1: A survey found that the demands being placed on men
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Speaker 1: by women and society has pushed them to a breaking point.
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Speaker 1: And what's interesting is that in the article. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to go through the whole thing right now, but
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Speaker 1: in the article there's a claim that men, younger men
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Speaker 1: are more progressive and that they're rejecting like traditional gender roles,
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Speaker 1: but that they want to protect and provide for their families.
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Speaker 1: In that's what they're saying they want to do, so
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Speaker 1: they want to protect a provider family, but they're also
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Speaker 1: rejecting their general It's like, dude, that is a gender role,
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Speaker 1: if that's the term we have to use, it's just
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Speaker 1: a masculine trait to do that. You're not actually bucking anything.
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Speaker 1: You're just trying to get permission to do something that
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Speaker 1: you naturally do by saying or at least like claiming
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Speaker 1: that you are like bucking something, right, it's ridiculous anyway.
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Speaker 1: So this today's stream is only going to be about
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Speaker 1: an hour, So I hope that some people, you know,
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Speaker 1: have something they want to say or they want to
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Speaker 1: jump in and talk. So I don't know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's a little slow because it's it's Thanksgiving. But
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Speaker 1: I did a little bit of digging to get an idea.
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Speaker 1: So I have this summary of the sort of like
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Speaker 1: general sentiment around men's issues, like men's challenges. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: this is what I got. This is like getting a
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Speaker 1: temperature on the internet in general. So men face significant
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Speaker 1: challenges in the modern world, including including loneliness, emotional struggles,
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Speaker 1: sexual frustration, confusion about identity. Yes, that makes sense because
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Speaker 1: it's like I want to be a man, but being
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Speaker 1: a man is bad, so that should be confusing, and
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Speaker 1: difficulties adapting to shifting social and economic roles i e.
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Speaker 1: Women are making more money and they're essentially men have
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Speaker 1: to make even more than women do. Some argue that
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Speaker 1: men themselves are largely responsible for the problems they face.
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Speaker 1: This perspective suggests that societal expectations of masculinity, such as
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Speaker 1: emotional suppression, the glorification of dominance, and the avoidance of
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Speaker 1: vulnerability have led men to harm themselves in others. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not reading this because I agree with it. This
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Speaker 1: is what the general like. There's basically like two minds
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Speaker 1: on the issues that men face. One is that one
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Speaker 1: which is the sort of like feminism TM position. Right,
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Speaker 1: this is the problem with men is that they're the problem.
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Speaker 1: For instance, men are more likely to die by suicide,
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Speaker 1: partly due to higher access to lethal means like firearms
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Speaker 1: and a cultural reluctance to seek help, even though mental
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Speaker 1: health struggles are widespread. Economic challenges are also attributed to
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Speaker 1: men's choices, such as undervaluing education and underperforming academically, despite
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Speaker 1: women now outpacing men in many educational metrics. Again, this
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Speaker 1: is the claim, This is the sort of these are
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Speaker 1: the feminist claims, right, Education is shit. We just saw
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Speaker 1: there was like some I just saw something where there
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Speaker 1: were people in university that had their reading level was
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Speaker 1: below middle school so their ability to read was below
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Speaker 1: middle school level and they were in college. So education
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Speaker 1: is not doing anything. It's not good. It's turning them
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Speaker 1: into activists, it's equipping them with like you know, understanding
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Speaker 1: of things like power and privilege or whatever. But it's
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Speaker 1: not actually like equipping them with life skills like mathematics
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Speaker 1: and the ability to read and write so form coherent
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Speaker 1: sentence is you know, things like that Happy Thanksgiving to
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Speaker 1: Peter Houston. What's up all right? So yeah, So anyway,
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Speaker 1: critics argue that men's frustration with diversity, equity and inclusion
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Speaker 1: initiative stems from there, not from actual disadvantage, but from
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Speaker 1: losing under advantages they previously held. Again, this is the
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Speaker 1: feminist perspective. So men are suffering, it's their fault. They're
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Speaker 1: you know, they're losing their privilege and this is why.
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Speaker 1: And of course none of this is very encouraging. It's
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Speaker 1: intended to it's intended to emasculate, but it's also to
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Speaker 1: demoralize men, to make them feel like, you know, everything
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Speaker 1: that they are suffering from they deserve, and that's a
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Speaker 1: that's a terrible I think it's an evil, wicked thing
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Speaker 1: to do. Conversely, though, and this is what's a little
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Speaker 1: bit encouraging, I suppose, is that more people are starting
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Speaker 1: to realize and wake up to the reality that all
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Speaker 1: of that should I just read as bullshit. Conversely, others
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Speaker 1: emphasize as systemic and societal factors play a major role.
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Speaker 1: The decline of traditional male roles, such as breadwinning or
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Speaker 1: dominant social positions, has left many men feeling obsolete and disconnected,
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Speaker 1: especially as societal values change. The expectations for men to
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Speaker 1: be emotionally stoic and physically strong persists even as these
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Speaker 1: norms no longer align with modern realities. Furthermore, men's struggles
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Speaker 1: are often dismissed or mocked when they attempt to express vulnerability,
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Speaker 1: which discourages open dialogue and support seeking. The lack of
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Speaker 1: emotional safety in relationships, where men may fear being labeled
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Speaker 1: fragile or weak, further exacerbates their isolation. There is also
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Speaker 1: a growing recognition that blaming men for all their relationship
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Speaker 1: failures or societal problems is counterproductive and oversimplified. While some
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Speaker 1: men may fail to take accountability, the root of many
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Speaker 1: relationship issues lies in mutual patterns of self sabotage, lack
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Speaker 1: of emotional introspection, and unequal power dynamics that affect both genders.
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Speaker 1: The idea that men are always to blame for failed
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Speaker 1: relationships overlooks the complexity of human behavior. And shared responsibility. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but we can't blame women, so that's like impossible non starter, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean we do that here. But oh we got
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Speaker 1: a request. I will approve it. Okay, Botch you can
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Speaker 1: talk if you like you hear me, Okay, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: can hear you.
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Speaker 3: Okay. I just wanted to say to your point that
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Speaker 3: it's kind of like it. It's kind of like when
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Speaker 3: to your point about the whole blaming men thing, as
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Speaker 3: we've seen that that's a a conclusion that's often drawn,
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Speaker 3: which is absolute bs as we come to find. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if you've seen it recently. I can't remember
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Speaker 3: who it was, but it was some like politician I
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Speaker 3: think I can't remember what her name was, but she
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Speaker 3: was saying like how men were to blame for like
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Speaker 3: relationship issues and how uh if you wanted better marriages,
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Speaker 3: then stop watching porn, like she was just blaming porn.
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Speaker 1: She's yeah, I think so she's a she's a yeah.
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Speaker 1: She's like an out of touch, some out of touch
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Speaker 1: Christian commentator that basically does what all of these like
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Speaker 1: Christian women do that they're basically just feminists, though honestly
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Speaker 1: they're well no, because they're they're trying. They're taking on
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Speaker 1: a leadership position and trying to tell men what they
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Speaker 1: should be doing, and they're not actually helping them. They're
19:41
Speaker 1: just trying to like draw the boundaries. Like, oh, well,
19:44
Speaker 1: you know, this is how I figure out what's wrong,
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Speaker 1: because I'm men aren't leading correctly, so I'm gonna blame them.
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Speaker 1: But she's out of touch, right, yeah, because because I
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Speaker 1: think she's like, I know what you're talking about. She's
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Speaker 1: been married for a while, so she doesn't really know
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Speaker 1: what the reality is. I don't know if she has
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Speaker 1: any sons, but if she does, she's yeah, well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: if she does, she's gonna find out that. That's that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. She's gonna find out if she has sons,
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Speaker 1: she's going to find out the reality. And it's not
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Speaker 1: it's not porn. Porn is not the cause porn symptom. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: men wouldn't be watching it if if they had, like
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Speaker 1: even even if they weren't having sex, but like even
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Speaker 1: if they were moving towards something like uh like a
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Speaker 1: committed you know, relationship or marriage, they wouldn't be one
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Speaker 1: stimulation one. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's It's funny how like they go to
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Speaker 3: porn because you know, it's the easiest thing to blame.
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Speaker 3: It is like the video games caused violence argument. It's
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Speaker 3: the same thing. And it's just it's just weird, man, Like,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's like there there's a reason they want to.
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Speaker 1: Face is are going they don't look at and talk
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Speaker 1: honestly about the problem. That's all. That's that's all it is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it just makes it easy to like you can just
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Speaker 1: make that address that and move on and then assume
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Speaker 1: that men. And this is the thing that that is
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Speaker 1: most frustrating about what because Pearl Pearl Davis went after
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Speaker 1: these women and and I'm grateful for that. You know,
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Speaker 1: she gets a lot of ship, especially from our artists,
21:29
Speaker 1: well not especially from ours, but a lot of you know,
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Speaker 1: like that the the you know about the Whisper networks,
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Speaker 1: the feminist circle, sewing Circle, Whisper Network, feminists, so you
21:42
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, the like online the like
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Speaker 1: they're sort of like secret secretly networking with each other
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Speaker 1: to like take down people like you know, Andrew Wilson
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Speaker 1: and uh and roll and stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: Obviously it's not because they're just gaining and.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, but they're but they're trying
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Speaker 1: to and I think it's because they're like it's so anyway,
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Speaker 1: getting back the getting back to what I was gonna say.
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Speaker 1: So the reason why I find it so frustrating is
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Speaker 1: because I understand what it is they want to see,
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Speaker 1: but they don't understand how difficult it is to get running.
22:28
Speaker 1: It's like there used to be a mechanism that men
22:34
Speaker 1: had access to that allowed them to be like able
22:38
Speaker 1: to to realize their potential. This is outside of women
22:43
Speaker 1: like so not even including like women, just like men
22:46
Speaker 1: on their own right. And we have handicapped men for generations.
22:54
Speaker 1: So we have two or three generations of men who
22:58
Speaker 1: have been absolutely like handicapped because their you know, mother
23:08
Speaker 1: like it's sort of like what Jessee Peterson says, you know,
23:10
Speaker 1: like you have like your mother's spirit. And it's because
23:14
Speaker 1: that's how he says it. But what I'm saying is
23:17
Speaker 1: if you take like I think it comes back to
23:19
Speaker 1: the father, he take the father out of the home
23:21
Speaker 1: for a generation, and then the next generation doesn't have
23:25
Speaker 1: a father in the home, and the next generation doesn't
23:27
Speaker 1: have a father, then you have like three generations of
23:29
Speaker 1: fathers missing, and then you expect that boy that's a
23:32
Speaker 1: product of mother single mother homes for three generations to
23:37
Speaker 1: just immediately get his shit together and just become the
23:39
Speaker 1: man that you know, to become like the father that
23:43
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually know. He doesn't know his father, he
23:46
Speaker 1: doesn't know his grandfather, he doesn't even know his great grandfather.
23:48
Speaker 1: He doesn't know where he comes from. His name doesn't
23:50
Speaker 1: mean anything to him. Like he used to mean something,
23:54
Speaker 1: your last name. You could say, I am a this
23:56
Speaker 1: and it meant something. Today it means nothing. Especially for
24:00
Speaker 1: men and women. They're not even taking their man's name,
24:04
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they're taking their their.
24:06
Speaker 3: Their but but yeah they're not.
24:11
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is this is so like you
24:15
Speaker 1: have these these these men in this situation, these young guys,
24:20
Speaker 1: you can't just say, you know, like get your ship together, right,
24:25
Speaker 1: Like it's a start, but it's not the solution, because
24:28
Speaker 1: what they need is uh an environment to find their like,
24:36
Speaker 1: find their footing, I guess, like find what what it is.
24:39
Speaker 1: They discover their identity uninterrupted, undistracted, and it's and definitely
24:45
Speaker 1: without women nagging them. And so what all something was
24:50
Speaker 1: doing was just nagging them. She was just nagging them.
24:53
Speaker 3: From the Yeah, right exactly. I like your point there
24:58
Speaker 3: where you mentioned it's on like a foundation that these
25:01
Speaker 3: men have nothing to stand on, you know. It's just
25:05
Speaker 3: it's and when they try to build that foundation or
25:11
Speaker 3: have this uh steps to take it, it's being like
25:14
Speaker 3: stripped from underneath them. And it's and it's like one
25:18
Speaker 3: of those things where it's like you can't expect men
25:23
Speaker 3: to win or to have their shit together if you
25:26
Speaker 3: don't give them the opportunity or give them the tools
25:30
Speaker 3: to turn into good men or turn turn into the
25:35
Speaker 3: men that you know you would want to have kids with,
25:39
Speaker 3: or you would want to you know, build with. You know,
25:44
Speaker 3: you can't, you can't have anything without a foundation.
25:48
Speaker 1: You know.
25:49
Speaker 3: It's it's it's almost like they're expecting the result. Like
25:55
Speaker 3: it's almost like a scientific experiment where you do You're
25:59
Speaker 3: it's like that one it's like a school project where
26:01
Speaker 3: you have that one kid that doesn't want to do anything,
26:04
Speaker 3: and then the other two or three kids end up
26:06
Speaker 3: getting the having to do all the work. It's like
26:10
Speaker 3: you're expecting someone to do all the work, but they
26:14
Speaker 3: have no they have no foundation, They have nothing to
26:16
Speaker 3: go off of. So it's like, if you got nothing
26:18
Speaker 3: to go off of, how are you going to do
26:20
Speaker 3: the experiment? How are you gonna get the best results
26:23
Speaker 3: if you don't have anything to try or go off of,
26:27
Speaker 3: you know. And it's like and then not only that,
26:30
Speaker 3: you're basically saying your ship and the educational system is
26:34
Speaker 3: saying to men you're inherently evil, you're bad, you're you're
26:41
Speaker 3: pieces of ship, whatever you want to call them. And
26:44
Speaker 3: then it's like you're demoralizing them, so they see no way,
26:48
Speaker 3: they see no reason to get better, because what's the
26:51
Speaker 3: point if you're just gonna sit there and talk to
26:54
Speaker 3: shit to me the whole entire time, you know.
26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And well and a lot of guys get
27:01
Speaker 1: this wrong too, because there's a lot of men who
27:03
Speaker 1: would tell other men, well, you just need to do
27:05
Speaker 1: you know, X, Y and Z. But like those guys
27:07
Speaker 1: probably did have their father, and they had a network
27:10
Speaker 1: of support, and they had, you know, like all the
27:13
Speaker 1: things they needed to like fundamentally understand. Because this is
27:16
Speaker 1: the thing, like we act like everyone's just the same. Well, yeah,
27:21
Speaker 1: like everyone's the same, But more than that, it's like
27:23
Speaker 1: we act like everyone just kind of like comes into
27:28
Speaker 1: the world knowing what they are, having a like a
27:32
Speaker 1: good understanding of the self, and a lot of people
27:36
Speaker 1: don't realize that most of If you do have that,
27:38
Speaker 1: or if you're in the process of doing that, you
27:42
Speaker 1: might feel like you know everything about yourself, but you
27:44
Speaker 1: probably don't. But you at least got like a starting
27:47
Speaker 1: point from you know, your relationship with the men in
27:51
Speaker 1: your life, including your dad, but like not limited to that,
27:55
Speaker 1: you know, and guys that don't have that, they're going
27:58
Speaker 1: to look for it in They're gonna look for another men,
28:02
Speaker 1: but they may not get it from the right men.
28:04
Speaker 1: They might get it from men their own age who
28:05
Speaker 1: also don't have like a foundation, Like you know, where
28:09
Speaker 1: do where do gangs come from? In like the inner city? Well,
28:14
Speaker 1: they're all like they're all like their own age, and
28:17
Speaker 1: they're like maybe there's like one that's like a couple
28:20
Speaker 1: of years older than them, but none of them have fathers,
28:23
Speaker 1: and they're like looking at that guy to be like
28:25
Speaker 1: the leader and have an understanding of what it means
28:27
Speaker 1: to be a father, and they're following that person's lead
28:30
Speaker 1: and so that this is like what they're modeling their
28:34
Speaker 1: behavior on. And yet we we blame them for doing
28:40
Speaker 1: the best they can, or at least like we're responding
28:42
Speaker 1: to whatever is is, whatever they can get their help from,
28:47
Speaker 1: instead of like asking the question, like, you know, how
28:51
Speaker 1: do we like are in a healthy way? Because that's
28:55
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where gangs come from. It's like because
28:57
Speaker 1: like boys like looking for you know, a sense of
29:00
Speaker 1: belonging and a person to to follow and imitate and
29:04
Speaker 1: like build on and and once they've done that, once
29:08
Speaker 1: they've entered that world, it's really hard to get him
29:11
Speaker 1: out of it, which is why like you know, people
29:13
Speaker 1: become you know, repeat offenders, career criminals, whatever. And yeah,
29:20
Speaker 1: so like a fatherless atmosphere is right for that.
29:24
Speaker 3: So absolutely. And I could attest to that because I
29:27
Speaker 3: grew up without a head. So I mean I had
29:29
Speaker 3: my grand I had my grandfather who I lived with periodically,
29:35
Speaker 3: but I looked at everything that my mother did and
29:38
Speaker 3: did the opposite. And that's not to throw my mother
29:43
Speaker 3: under the bus.
29:44
Speaker 1: But did your father was he like did he model
29:49
Speaker 1: like whether he meant to or not, But did he
29:51
Speaker 1: model behavior for you to follow? Oh? No, you didn't
29:53
Speaker 1: have a father. Did you know him a way?
29:57
Speaker 3: When I was young? Ah, but from what I do know,
30:03
Speaker 3: he cheated on my mother. He was, you know, kind
30:07
Speaker 3: of a womanizer, kind of did whatever he wanted. The
30:11
Speaker 3: time that I do remember being with him, and it
30:13
Speaker 3: was very very short because he passed when I was
30:17
Speaker 3: like four or five, So the time that I remember
30:21
Speaker 3: being with him, it was very infrequent. Often actually, even
30:28
Speaker 3: my mom would tell me that he would spend maybe
30:33
Speaker 3: about an hour with me, or maybe fifteen to thirty minutes.
30:37
Speaker 3: And then because my mom and my dad were separate,
30:41
Speaker 3: separated before he passed, and so I would go from
30:47
Speaker 3: his place to my mom's, which I think she was
30:53
Speaker 3: living with her mom, my grandmother at the time, and
30:56
Speaker 3: so he would basically be like, I'm tired of him.
31:01
Speaker 3: He cries too much, which, by the way, I didn't
31:05
Speaker 3: from what my mom had told me is I was
31:09
Speaker 3: not a fussy baby. I was not someone that was
31:13
Speaker 3: difficult to entertain. So he basically just didn't want anything
31:18
Speaker 3: to do with me. So basically I had I didn't
31:23
Speaker 3: have him, but I had my uncle and my grandfather.
31:26
Speaker 3: But it still wasn't the same. Because I spent most
31:29
Speaker 3: of my childhood being alone. I had to learn how
31:32
Speaker 3: to cook, I had to learn how to make peanut
31:35
Speaker 3: butter and peanut butter sandwiches when I was like five
31:38
Speaker 3: or six years old, because my mom would be working
31:40
Speaker 3: late and that would be my dinner for the night.
31:43
Speaker 3: And you know, that wasn't my mother's fault. But to
31:46
Speaker 3: be fair, her dating life was awful. I would notice
31:50
Speaker 3: her bringing strange men in and out of my life,
31:53
Speaker 3: and I don't know, I don't know how many men.
31:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, look, I'm not saying it's share
32:00
Speaker 1: of your mom, but if she was bringing home strange
32:02
Speaker 1: men before you were born or like after you were born,
32:07
Speaker 1: I mean, she was probably bringing them home before you
32:08
Speaker 1: were born, and you might have been a product of one,
32:11
Speaker 1: and that might be why he didn't want to be involved.
32:14
Speaker 1: And I think that that's on your mom, like to
32:16
Speaker 1: be honest, Yeah, yeah, And I'm again I get it,
32:19
Speaker 1: like people make mistakes, but it starts by saying, you
32:21
Speaker 1: know what, I shouldn't have done that, And that's I mean,
32:26
Speaker 1: that's just what I'm seeing. So I don't know the
32:29
Speaker 1: details of your life. And forgive me if I'm like
32:32
Speaker 1: way off the.
32:32
Speaker 3: Mar No, No, that's what it was like, That's pretty
32:35
Speaker 3: much what it was, you know, And and even as
32:39
Speaker 3: a growing up as a kid, none of the guys
32:42
Speaker 3: that she was with ever tried to develop a relationship
32:47
Speaker 3: with me. I was invisible to them. Like she was
32:50
Speaker 3: with this guy for like twelve years from when I
32:53
Speaker 3: was ten all the way up until I was twenty two.
32:55
Speaker 3: And I'm twenty six now, yeah, yeah, And so he
33:00
Speaker 3: wanted nothing to do with me either, Like I would
33:03
Speaker 3: be in my room playing my video games.
33:05
Speaker 1: Do them?
33:05
Speaker 3: I think? And yeah, me, I keep to myself like
33:08
Speaker 3: you're the parent. I shouldn't have to make the effort.
33:12
Speaker 3: You should, you know what I mean, Because I'm the kid,
33:15
Speaker 3: like I'm not like and he had a kid from
33:19
Speaker 3: a previous relationship. He wasn't married to this woman, but
33:22
Speaker 3: he had a kid from a previous relationship, and that
33:24
Speaker 3: drove a wedge in between me and him, you know,
33:27
Speaker 3: because I was an only child, so I had to
33:29
Speaker 3: be the bigger brother. And I was like, I ain't
33:31
Speaker 3: signing up for this. So, you know. But the guy
33:34
Speaker 3: that she's with now, which is her second husband, and
33:38
Speaker 3: you know, I thought my mom would never get married again,
33:41
Speaker 3: but she's been married for two years. And I think
33:44
Speaker 3: to the new guy, and because I'm older, now we
33:46
Speaker 3: don't talk to each other. I don't really have much
33:49
Speaker 3: of a relationship with him. But right, that's because I'm older.
33:53
Speaker 3: You know, I'm twenty six and he's like forty. So
33:55
Speaker 3: that's a little bit different than being a kid.
33:59
Speaker 1: And you know, weird, but yeah, weird because you guys
34:02
Speaker 1: are kind of close in age when you think about it.
34:04
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe I don't know, so yeah, I mean,
34:08
Speaker 1: like what the reason why I said that is because honestly,
34:11
Speaker 1: like you know, there's countless stories, like countless stories of
34:16
Speaker 1: people men and women who were raised by single moms
34:20
Speaker 1: who have a lot of problems as a result. Maybe
34:22
Speaker 1: they were abused. I'm not saying that you were, but
34:24
Speaker 1: a lot of people are abused by there by the
34:26
Speaker 1: single mom or by you know, the men that that
34:30
Speaker 1: single mom brings home, or by stepfather or something like that,
34:34
Speaker 1: and there's usually like substance abuse and a lot of
34:36
Speaker 1: like sort of like you know, sinful living.
34:39
Speaker 3: I was violence, I will say, in the time that
34:43
Speaker 3: I was with when my mom was with the other guy,
34:47
Speaker 3: So there was domestic violence in the Yeah.
34:50
Speaker 1: Well yeah, sure, I mean I'm not surprised by that,
34:52
Speaker 1: but like, my my thing is I hear lots of
34:55
Speaker 1: stories of this, and it's all, you know, really like
34:58
Speaker 1: it's not good stuff, Like I don't want that for anybody.
35:01
Speaker 1: I think it's terrible. But what I'm really sick of
35:05
Speaker 1: is no one's saying why did the woman choose to
35:10
Speaker 1: sleep with this man? Like no, And and again I'm not
35:14
Speaker 1: even saying that because you can like make the same
35:17
Speaker 1: cycle of violence argument or like cycle of abuse argument
35:20
Speaker 1: where you know, a woman picks like men that are
35:23
Speaker 1: bad for her because her like you know, she was
35:26
Speaker 1: raised in an environment like that, and that becomes normal
35:29
Speaker 1: and like how she sees you know, whatever, it.
35:31
Speaker 3: Is normal normal to her.
35:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It normalizes in her mind.
35:35
Speaker 1: But like at some point where you know, this is
35:37
Speaker 1: what Aaron Pittsy was trying to work on, was to
35:40
Speaker 1: like break the cycle of violence by at least confronting
35:44
Speaker 1: the reality that women are a big part of that,
35:48
Speaker 1: like in the men that they choose, and in the
35:51
Speaker 1: way that they behave towards their kids, and in the
35:55
Speaker 1: way that they behave in relationships. Because you know, when
35:57
Speaker 1: we think, like essentially the mainstream narrative the sort of
36:03
Speaker 1: not even yeah, it's mainstream to the point where everyone
36:05
Speaker 1: accepts it as normal. Is that if I say this
36:08
Speaker 1: is a domestic violence situation, just the phrase domestic violence
36:12
Speaker 1: makes people think, oh, wife beating, Like this is just
36:15
Speaker 1: wife beating, and this is what the feminist movement has
36:18
Speaker 1: pushed out. They literally call it that. They say, well,
36:20
Speaker 1: we just call it wife beating because that's what it is, right,
36:22
Speaker 1: and without agnology that women, Yeah, women are just as
36:28
Speaker 1: much a part of that. You like, it's it's usually
36:33
Speaker 1: bidirectional violence. And actually women tend to initiate violence way
36:38
Speaker 1: more frequently than men. And we can't even accept that
36:41
Speaker 1: baseline fact. That doesn't it doesn't even necessarily need to
36:45
Speaker 1: balance anything. It just needs to be seen as the truth.
36:48
Speaker 1: Then we need to see women as agents of their
36:52
Speaker 1: own Like they make choices, They decide who they like
36:55
Speaker 1: take home, they decide who they sleep with, they decide
36:57
Speaker 1: whether or not they're going to get pregnant, they decide
37:00
Speaker 1: whether it.
37:00
Speaker 3: Is what they were anyway, was the agency what? But
37:04
Speaker 3: they didn't want consequences of set agency?
37:07
Speaker 1: Well they yeah, sure they liked the idea of making choices,
37:10
Speaker 1: but that but not that it has negative consequences sometimes.
37:15
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, you know, And I think I think I remember,
37:18
Speaker 3: for instance, you and Allison you covered that story about
37:22
Speaker 3: that young man that was assaulted by these women at
37:25
Speaker 3: this convention.
37:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't remember. I know the guy who
37:32
Speaker 1: was assaulted. His name was said. I think, yeah, maybe
37:35
Speaker 1: that guy.
37:36
Speaker 3: There was that guy, and then there was another guy
37:38
Speaker 3: that was that you guys covered that was.
37:40
Speaker 1: All that was roped by a horde. Yeah. Yeah.
37:46
Speaker 3: And it's like and even and even the said guy like,
37:49
Speaker 3: when I heard about it, I'm like, and then I
37:52
Speaker 3: heard what that woman had to say and she basically said, oh,
37:56
Speaker 3: that's embarrassing for him to say that. I'm like, excuse me.
38:01
Speaker 3: And then I know that Asthmund Gold he covered it
38:04
Speaker 3: and he was like, if I did that with another
38:08
Speaker 3: guy and the victim was a woman, I'd be in jail.
38:13
Speaker 3: And I'm like, here, hey, you would be, you would be.
38:19
Speaker 1: You would be.
38:19
Speaker 3: But is it because is it because a guy is
38:24
Speaker 3: supposed to just like it?
38:27
Speaker 1: We just don't. I just don't think. We just don't
38:29
Speaker 1: think women are a threat.
38:30
Speaker 3: We're just gonna accept that now, Like.
38:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we just don't take women. We just don't
38:38
Speaker 1: treat them as a threat. We we just don't like
38:41
Speaker 1: we we just don't. We don't like they can, you
38:45
Speaker 1: know they can. They're their stories of women murdering their
38:49
Speaker 1: especially their babies, Like they murder babies, not just in abortion,
38:52
Speaker 1: I mean like they actually killed their babies. No, they
38:54
Speaker 1: actually and throw them in a dumpster or something, you know,
38:58
Speaker 1: drown them what ever, they try to kill their baby.
39:01
Speaker 3: I recently read a story where young a woman had
39:05
Speaker 3: lost a custody battle here in Texas, and uh, this
39:11
Speaker 3: was like recent, this was like maybe the beginning of
39:13
Speaker 3: this year, I think something like that. And uh, she
39:18
Speaker 3: made her son say goodbye to her father through a voicemail,
39:23
Speaker 3: killed him and then herself.
39:27
Speaker 4: So just to deny that, yeah, it's it's just like
39:32
Speaker 4: it's just like yo, and people don't want to acknowledge
39:35
Speaker 4: this if the thing that happens.
39:39
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's why we don't want to acknowledge that of.
39:45
Speaker 1: You know, women being behaving badly. Just put it that way,
39:50
Speaker 1: just not not to say that this is what all
39:52
Speaker 1: women are, but just to say this is what women
39:54
Speaker 1: are capable of. That's it. I just I just like,
39:58
Speaker 1: just like men, I just want to be able to
40:00
Speaker 1: acknowledge that they are capable of it, you know.
40:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean every every human is every yeah,
40:08
Speaker 3: you know.
40:08
Speaker 1: It seems like such a non uh, you know, non controversial.
40:13
Speaker 3: It seems like a common sense sort of thing. But
40:16
Speaker 3: what is It's a common sensical sort of thing. But
40:20
Speaker 3: it's like one of those things where it's like men
40:23
Speaker 3: are such predators and they're awful and they're terrible and
40:25
Speaker 3: they're and and then you get I mean, I've seen
40:29
Speaker 3: you and Allison scroll through TikTok. I'm pretty sure if
40:32
Speaker 3: you search the words where are the good men at
40:34
Speaker 3: you'd probably find a thousand thousands of videos on that stuff.
40:40
Speaker 3: Like you guys will never find or never. You guys
40:44
Speaker 3: will never not find something dumb to cover because because
40:50
Speaker 3: there's always gonna be something, there always is something. It's
40:55
Speaker 3: like the other the other time you were covering drama, Queen,
40:58
Speaker 3: I think it was, and it was a TikTok video
41:03
Speaker 3: of the of a man, and I love the joke
41:05
Speaker 3: that you made about the man, like because he had
41:07
Speaker 3: no shirt on, but he was walking outside and he
41:10
Speaker 3: was talking about how people don't want to communicate anymore
41:13
Speaker 3: and how he saw this young lady that was on
41:15
Speaker 3: her phone and she was outside, probably watching Netflix on
41:18
Speaker 3: her phone or something like that.
41:19
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that's old, but yeah them or that.
41:22
Speaker 3: And the One Lady and the One Lady, And then
41:25
Speaker 3: Dram McQueen was like, nobody owes you a hello, And
41:29
Speaker 3: then you made some joke about like, well, at least
41:31
Speaker 3: she's not walking around naked with his thing out, like oh,
41:35
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to say hello, like yeah whatever, and
41:38
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, yeah, I meet you. It's like it's
41:42
Speaker 3: like it's like, yeah, we're not walking around with her,
41:45
Speaker 3: you know, parts hanging out just saying hey, hello, how
41:48
Speaker 3: you doing, like you know. And and I told a
41:52
Speaker 3: friend about it and he goes, was she homeschooled? And
41:56
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know, but like apparently saying hello
41:59
Speaker 3: to her triggers Well, yeah.
42:04
Speaker 1: I think that women are let's just say, they're so
42:10
Speaker 1: safe that they can uh see any interaction as like
42:18
Speaker 1: a threat to their space. So they've we've made them
42:21
Speaker 1: too safe from everything, so you know, like if so,
42:26
Speaker 1: if you remember, do you remember it's a classic video
42:31
Speaker 1: woman walks for ten hours in New York and she
42:37
Speaker 1: gets cat called. It was like an old video.
42:40
Speaker 3: Oh yeah I've seen that.
42:42
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and so like, you know those are She
42:48
Speaker 1: claims that it was just her walking for ten hours
42:51
Speaker 1: in New York, which is a lot of walking. Like
42:53
Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's that's a lot of walking. But I
42:55
Speaker 1: guess we'll just have to believe it.
42:57
Speaker 3: That's a lot of walking.
42:58
Speaker 1: Even for me.
42:59
Speaker 3: I'm handicap and I could walk for ten minutes. I
43:02
Speaker 3: can't walk ten minutes, let alone ten hours.
43:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she walked for ten hours, and but out
43:10
Speaker 1: of the ten hour video, she got about a two
43:13
Speaker 1: minute clip. So two minutes are a clip, and it's
43:19
Speaker 1: all like the cat calling, right, and there's a little
43:23
Speaker 1: of it, but most of the cat calling is just
43:25
Speaker 1: guys saying hello. So what I'm saying is is that
43:30
Speaker 1: that and that's like an old video, So that means
43:35
Speaker 1: that you know, that woman. I don't remember what her
43:38
Speaker 1: name was. I don't even know if she like we
43:40
Speaker 1: knew her name. But the Wound did a ten hour
43:42
Speaker 1: video in New York and drama Queen are they both
43:46
Speaker 1: have the same standard for what constitutes harassment on you know,
43:53
Speaker 1: in public, and that is men saying hello. So and yeah,
43:56
Speaker 1: of course the attitude is you know, you're not owed
43:59
Speaker 1: a hello. Used to be you're not owed, you know,
44:02
Speaker 1: a relationship. Now it's like you're not owed a greeting.
44:07
Speaker 1: And I think that women are only gonna further Like
44:12
Speaker 1: I don't know, shrink.
44:14
Speaker 3: I just said, how how are you doing? I didn't
44:16
Speaker 3: ask for you to for you to send me nudes?
44:20
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know.
44:24
Speaker 3: No, that sounds so stupid because like, you know how
44:29
Speaker 3: us guys are, Like let's say I walk past you
44:31
Speaker 3: and I'm like, and I didn't know you to say,
44:33
Speaker 3: for instance, I didn't even know you, I'd be like
44:37
Speaker 3: i'd give you that, you know that like head jerk
44:39
Speaker 3: that like men give like that what's up kind of
44:42
Speaker 3: nod that how you're doing? Kind of like nonverbal like communication.
44:45
Speaker 3: We do that all the time, or like we say
44:48
Speaker 3: how you doing, sir? How you doing? Like I'm good,
44:51
Speaker 3: how are you?
44:51
Speaker 1: Well? You know what? I will to be fair though
44:53
Speaker 1: where I live. I live in the South in Virginia,
45:00
Speaker 1: and I don't I can't do that and including women,
45:02
Speaker 1: and I don't have any issues. But you're kind of old.
45:08
Speaker 1: So maybe it's because they're older women.
45:10
Speaker 3: But yeah, well also it's Southern hospitality, and I know
45:13
Speaker 3: it's a stereotype, but it's actually a legit thing. Yeah,
45:17
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I'm I'm ten minutes. Like there's like
45:22
Speaker 3: where I live, uh, you know, in Texas, there's like
45:26
Speaker 3: I swear to God, there's like five five to ten minutes.
45:29
Speaker 3: Within five to ten minutes, you'll find five churches within
45:31
Speaker 3: each other, and everybody's like praise Jesus and this and that.
45:37
Speaker 3: And I grew up in a Christian household, but it's
45:39
Speaker 3: like everybody is so neighborly, you know, and so community
45:45
Speaker 3: like m and I think a lot of these people
45:49
Speaker 3: like if you don't grow up in that or you
45:51
Speaker 3: don't live in that, you don't get it. So like
45:54
Speaker 3: somebody's saying hello to you or somebody like you know, uh,
45:59
Speaker 3: like I noticed that a lot of people say down here,
46:02
Speaker 3: they say darling or honey.
46:04
Speaker 1: You know.
46:04
Speaker 3: I've I've I've always called every woman honeying her sweetheart,
46:07
Speaker 3: and none of them have ever said anything, which I'm
46:10
Speaker 3: always like very careful nowadays because.
46:13
Speaker 1: You never know, but I get never I've never had
46:17
Speaker 1: any and sweetheart all the time. But I don't I
46:21
Speaker 1: don't think anything of it. I just think it's a
46:23
Speaker 1: Southern thing. That's it.
46:24
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's yeah, I don't.
46:26
Speaker 1: Think, oh my god, she wants it, like, no, it's
46:28
Speaker 1: just it's and that's okay, it's still it's still nice.
46:35
Speaker 1: It's still nice. Like I mean, my wife gets it
46:38
Speaker 1: too from women and they'll call her, you know, honey
46:41
Speaker 1: or sweetheart too.
46:42
Speaker 3: So I mean it's a I mean, oh yeah, I
46:45
Speaker 3: mean it's it's just an endearing thing. It's not meant
46:49
Speaker 3: to be, you know, a sexual or anything like that.
46:54
Speaker 1: I think that's that attitude is like a yeah. It's
46:58
Speaker 1: like if you you know, if you want to university,
47:00
Speaker 1: or you live in a big city, or you watch
47:03
Speaker 1: too much TV, you're gonna have that opinion that any
47:06
Speaker 1: man who says we are actually is trying to hurt
47:08
Speaker 1: you in some way.
47:11
Speaker 3: It's like, not everybody's trying to hit on you.
47:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not that important. Hey, showbiz Sam, did you
47:18
Speaker 1: want to speak or are you just like lurking me
47:22
Speaker 1: or welcome to lurk if you like? The show is
47:24
Speaker 1: gonna be going for another fifteen minutes and then I'm
47:27
Speaker 1: gonna end it there. So I oh, say, here's something
47:32
Speaker 1: interesting that while we were talking on the topic of
47:35
Speaker 1: greeting people. So, Lisa Brighton, do you guys know who
47:39
Speaker 1: Lisa Brighton is. I had her on the show once
47:41
Speaker 1: a while ago, and she posts a lot on acts
47:45
Speaker 1: about like men's issues. She's very cool, and I think
47:49
Speaker 1: she's like pretty conservative, like I thinks. She writes for
47:52
Speaker 1: EV magazine and she is always posting, like, you know,
47:56
Speaker 1: just sentimental, nice things about man. And she said, call
48:02
Speaker 1: me crazy, but I believe if more women had gratitude
48:04
Speaker 1: and showed appreciation for men rather than disdain for men,
48:08
Speaker 1: the world would be a much better place. Now that's
48:12
Speaker 1: her post. Is there anything about that that you guys
48:14
Speaker 1: find defensive? Like, do you think anything about that?
48:17
Speaker 3: I saw that too, I saw your response to it.
48:20
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did respond to it, right, What
48:22
Speaker 1: did I say?
48:24
Speaker 3: You said, it's not crazy at all.
48:25
Speaker 1: I believe no, yeah, it's not a crazy I don't
48:27
Speaker 1: think it's crazy to say.
48:28
Speaker 5: No.
48:28
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy at all. But someone reposted her,
48:33
Speaker 1: someone named Meg, and of course they had to take
48:36
Speaker 1: a shit all over it somehow, even though there's nothing
48:40
Speaker 1: like anti woman in this anti man, all it is
48:44
Speaker 1: is if women showed had gratitude and showed appreciation for
48:47
Speaker 1: men rather than disdain for men, the world will be
48:50
Speaker 1: a much better place. And this Meg person says, call
48:54
Speaker 1: me crazy, but I believe if more men left women
48:56
Speaker 1: alone instead of harassing and abusing them, the world will
48:59
Speaker 1: be a much better place. It's always about feelings for
49:01
Speaker 1: men and safety for women. That's why you can't compare
49:04
Speaker 1: missonry with and misogyny. Where did that come from? Ladies?
49:10
Speaker 1: How could you?
49:11
Speaker 3: How could you take that post and spin it and
49:16
Speaker 3: turn it into.
49:16
Speaker 1: Well, why don't they stop raping us? Are you being
49:22
Speaker 1: raped right now?
49:22
Speaker 3: Meg?
49:23
Speaker 1: Is the rapist in the room with you?
49:24
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
49:25
Speaker 1: Like that that is an unhinged response, unhere.
49:31
Speaker 3: For you and for you and Alison. I don't know
49:34
Speaker 3: how you guys tolerate this. Like when I watch you
49:37
Speaker 3: guys cover all this stuff on on the maintaining frame,
49:41
Speaker 3: I'm like and I and sometimes I see Alison get heated.
49:48
Speaker 3: It's like and it's like, holy crap. I take medication
49:51
Speaker 3: for high blood pressure. I wonder what her blood pressure
49:54
Speaker 3: is when she starts doing this, because it's like because
49:59
Speaker 3: like my tolerance for BS is like low, So like
50:04
Speaker 3: I don't know how, Like when you're reading these articles
50:07
Speaker 3: and you're seeing these things, how it's like, man, I've
50:10
Speaker 3: lost my faith in humanity, Like, I just don't. How
50:15
Speaker 3: do you keep saying? How do you keep saying? Because
50:18
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I'd like, because I know this is online,
50:22
Speaker 3: but the fact that there are people that actually believe
50:25
Speaker 3: this enough to post it enough.
50:28
Speaker 1: To know they're yeah, they're just they they just I
50:31
Speaker 1: don't know, Like, dude, this is a war zone. That's
50:34
Speaker 1: why I don't like Allison's following many of the most
50:39
Speaker 1: hostile crazy feminist accounts. I'm using her account to host
50:42
Speaker 1: this space, right, yeah, and I mean other than some
50:45
Speaker 1: of the friends like here's Paul elim and and I
50:48
Speaker 1: know she probably follows follows Janice and Tom Golden and
50:51
Speaker 1: some other people. F house funny, but like, some of
50:55
Speaker 1: the feminists in this feed are absolutely unhinged women. They're
51:01
Speaker 1: just absolutely unhinged. Yeah, there's my reply. It's not at
51:04
Speaker 1: all crazy. It's not that should be obvious.
51:07
Speaker 3: No, no, And like I've had conversations about this with
51:11
Speaker 3: a couple of my friends and even some of my
51:13
Speaker 3: female friends, and they even said, like, if you, if
51:18
Speaker 3: you genuinely feel that way about people, you would never
51:23
Speaker 3: go outside, you would never do anything, because, let's face it,
51:29
Speaker 3: if if a man wants to hurt somebody, or if anybody,
51:33
Speaker 3: woman or man wants to do it, they're going to
51:36
Speaker 3: do it anyway. They're going to do it anyway. Like
51:39
Speaker 3: like that, That's just.
51:41
Speaker 1: The way it is.
51:42
Speaker 3: Like, you know, like, am I gonna stop interacting with
51:45
Speaker 3: women because I had one abusive X and and and
51:48
Speaker 3: and and and a bunch of horrible women in my
51:51
Speaker 3: life and throughout my childhood. No, I'm not gonna stop
51:54
Speaker 3: interacting with them just because of those people. Yeah, Like
51:59
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't know how you could take
52:02
Speaker 3: something that is positive like that young lady had posted
52:05
Speaker 3: and say and say something like, oh, well, you know,
52:10
Speaker 3: call me crazy, But if men stop doing this, I'm like,
52:15
Speaker 3: have you been outside?
52:18
Speaker 1: We go outside? Everything. I think everything on here is
52:24
Speaker 1: an opportunity for women to score points. That's why I said.
52:26
Speaker 1: That's why I said that this is a war zone
52:28
Speaker 1: because social media is call of duty for women and
52:32
Speaker 1: they use it to I love that analogy. They do it. No,
52:36
Speaker 1: they use it to destroy other women and men in
52:40
Speaker 1: terms of their relationships and their reputation and their credibility
52:45
Speaker 1: and modern everything is an opportunity to tear somebody else down. Yeah,
52:50
Speaker 1: they call social media is call of duty for women.
52:53
Speaker 3: Absolutely, except when we went through it, we were just like,
52:57
Speaker 3: screw you, screw you too, Okay, you want to play later?
53:00
Speaker 3: Sure m h. We didn't. We we didn't.
53:05
Speaker 1: We didn't like take it and be like this is war.
53:09
Speaker 3: Like you know, it was just all fun and games,
53:12
Speaker 3: banter like really, like it's it's still the same way
53:17
Speaker 3: on call of duty. It's still the same thing. Same
53:20
Speaker 3: guy talks trash on a video game, We laugh and whatever.
53:23
Speaker 3: Now it's just it's like god forbid, if you god forbid.
53:27
Speaker 3: I hate to be a happy woman that loves her
53:30
Speaker 3: husband because then I'd really get attacked.
53:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'd.
53:36
Speaker 3: Really get attacked. Like what did your husband do for you?
53:42
Speaker 3: He's just a decent dude.
53:46
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. You know what though, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
53:50
Speaker 1: unless you were prepared for the slings and arrows. I wouldn't.
53:53
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask my woman to go online and stick
53:57
Speaker 1: up for me unless they choose to do it, because yeah,
54:01
Speaker 1: you would become a target. But you know, like I
54:06
Speaker 1: have seen Rachel Wilson, she is like she stands by
54:11
Speaker 1: Andrew Wilson online all the time. She sticks up for him.
54:15
Speaker 1: There was this clip. I wonder if I can find it,
54:18
Speaker 1: but there was this clip. Andrew was on the Whatever podcast.
54:21
Speaker 1: He was debating this feminist who didn't do any preparation
54:25
Speaker 1: because a lot of times they don't. They just presume
54:27
Speaker 1: that they have the moral position and so they just
54:30
Speaker 1: go in ready to morally like throw their weight around.
54:34
Speaker 1: And she wasn't prepared, and so she was getting absolutely wrecked.
54:38
Speaker 1: And Andrew said, you don't you know, he was basically
54:42
Speaker 1: getting to the point where he felt like she was
54:44
Speaker 1: just being obtuse and uncooperative and disagreeable and contrarian just
54:51
Speaker 1: for the sake of it, because she didn't have any arguments.
54:55
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Alan, when they have no arguments, they go
54:58
Speaker 3: straight for insulting.
55:00
Speaker 1: Well, she went after She didn't attack him personally, she
55:02
Speaker 1: went after his family. She basically said that, you know, oh, Rachel,
55:08
Speaker 1: you know your wife doesn't she have like children from
55:10
Speaker 1: another man? And and is that And tried to like
55:13
Speaker 1: say that that's not like, it's not I don't know
55:16
Speaker 1: like that she's that's something about that is not Christian
55:19
Speaker 1: or whatever. It doesn't really matter. She was just trying
55:21
Speaker 1: to throw mud and she was trying to hold him
55:24
Speaker 1: stands that she does not hold herself to by saying, oh,
55:29
Speaker 1: you're raising you know, somebody else's kids or whatever, although
55:32
Speaker 1: he also has some of his own kids with Rachel,
55:35
Speaker 1: and he cussed her out for that. Some people are saying, oh,
55:40
Speaker 1: she won, but she didn't really make any arguments. She
55:42
Speaker 1: just made him upset. And I can see that going
55:45
Speaker 1: after someone's personally like going after their the people in
55:49
Speaker 1: their life, especially the people that they like, you live
55:54
Speaker 1: with and raised, like going after your kids or something like, yeah,
55:57
Speaker 1: I think that you're you're entitled to get a little
56:00
Speaker 1: bit pissed off about that. But not only that, but
56:03
Speaker 1: Rachel called into the show right after.
56:05
Speaker 3: I remember that I saw.
56:06
Speaker 1: And set her straight on the whole thing and said,
56:09
Speaker 1: you know, like explained her whole story and was like,
56:12
Speaker 1: you know, I shouldn't even have to do this because
56:15
Speaker 1: you're like, you're I'm just doing this for you know,
56:19
Speaker 1: like for Andrew, for my husband. And I was like
56:21
Speaker 1: that that's a wife right there, that's a keeper. I
56:24
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody said. Yeah, they're not common, but
56:29
Speaker 1: that's one of them. And I I, you know, that's
56:33
Speaker 1: just something admirable. So I can see you know that
56:37
Speaker 1: that that's an that's an example of like doing it well,
56:40
Speaker 1: but most most people can't do that. I don't think
56:43
Speaker 1: that they have that.
56:46
Speaker 3: For each other. I mean it's I mean, that's that's
56:50
Speaker 3: really sad. You know that, Like, yeah, I've watched episodes
56:54
Speaker 3: of the Whatever podcast and you know, and I I
57:00
Speaker 3: think I remember Brian saying something to the effect of,
57:04
Speaker 3: you say that you want a guy that you want
57:07
Speaker 3: this guy that does this, and this guy that's nice
57:10
Speaker 3: to you, this guy that is this, and this guy
57:12
Speaker 3: that is this. Pick that guy. Then, you know, pick
57:16
Speaker 3: that guy, but you won't because you want a guy
57:19
Speaker 3: that excites you. You want that guy to treat you
57:21
Speaker 3: like shit. And then there's and then all the women
57:24
Speaker 3: on that side of the panel, they're like, no, you're wrong,
57:27
Speaker 3: you're wrong. And I'm like, then why don't you pick
57:31
Speaker 3: the guy that you that that that wants to treat
57:34
Speaker 3: you like you should be treated? And I'm like, how
57:38
Speaker 3: is he wrong? He's not wrong at all, Like he's
57:41
Speaker 3: just saying you pick you pick a horrible person. And
57:45
Speaker 3: then and then you complain that he's horrible.
57:49
Speaker 1: Right, you can't. I'm sorry I want to give Alan
57:54
Speaker 1: requested to speak. I'm to let him talk because we're
57:56
Speaker 1: almost done here and I want to give him a
57:57
Speaker 1: chance to say something.
57:58
Speaker 3: I know Alan, he's a good dude. I met him
58:00
Speaker 3: the other night.
58:01
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, how.
58:03
Speaker 5: You doing, guys? I met Brian the other night. I'm
58:07
Speaker 5: from Scotland, so I'll try to speak slowly. As you said,
58:10
Speaker 5: he's talking about about Andrew and Rachel Wilson. I'm a
58:14
Speaker 5: big fan of both, so I thought I would jump in.
58:18
Speaker 5: I think, I think I actually I did see that
58:21
Speaker 5: episode you're talking about, and I have noticed that basically
58:26
Speaker 5: nobody really attacks Andrew's arguments. They kind of attack Andrew,
58:30
Speaker 5: and it's kind of it's kind of a cheap tactic.
58:33
Speaker 5: They kind of the idea is to role Andrew and
58:37
Speaker 5: they have some sort of victory because they can't beat
58:40
Speaker 5: him through logic. And I did see obviously Rachel coming
58:45
Speaker 5: on and defending her husband as usual. And it's just
58:49
Speaker 5: interesting when you watch those shows, you know, but that nobody,
58:52
Speaker 5: nobody really challenges his argument. They just kind of have
58:56
Speaker 5: a go at hand.
58:57
Speaker 1: Personally, this is what, Yeah, this is how leftists argue though,
59:00
Speaker 1: because you know, we used to have some like they
59:06
Speaker 1: were male we call the male feminist at the time,
59:07
Speaker 1: but they're basically left. It's the same thing. And we
59:10
Speaker 1: used to have them on our show, and almost always
59:13
Speaker 1: their tactic was they would try to, like, you know,
59:17
Speaker 1: state their position, and then you would counter their position
59:20
Speaker 1: because you've heard it a million times and he's like, well,
59:22
Speaker 1: here's all the evidence that counters your position, here's the
59:25
Speaker 1: reality of like you know, what we live in, Like
59:27
Speaker 1: whatever the argument, it doesn't really matter. And when they
59:30
Speaker 1: realize they're losing, then they just go after you personally,
59:34
Speaker 1: or they go after your credibility, or they go after
59:36
Speaker 1: the people you associate with or whatever. But it's it's
59:39
Speaker 1: always how they operate because they don't have arguments, so
59:42
Speaker 1: they just and what they try to do, what their
59:44
Speaker 1: goal is is their goal is to get you to
59:49
Speaker 1: react angrily, and then they claim victory because they say, oh,
59:53
Speaker 1: well you lost your pool, right, and they'll be like wha, well,
59:57
Speaker 1: calm down, why are you so emotional? Are you triggered snowflake?
1:00:00
Speaker 1: You know, things like that, and that's how they and
1:00:02
Speaker 1: that's how they win. I put that in quotes, but
1:00:05
Speaker 1: but that's how they win arguments is they upset you,
1:00:08
Speaker 1: and it doesn't it's really just silly and childish. But
1:00:13
Speaker 1: this is the thing, like why I have a lot
1:00:15
Speaker 1: of admiration for Andrew and Rachel's marriage is that they
1:00:22
Speaker 1: stick up for each other. And this makes it very
1:00:25
Speaker 1: difficult to go after somebody's reputation because that's what they
1:00:29
Speaker 1: usually do, is they go after like they try to
1:00:31
Speaker 1: divide you, you know along like oh, so your friend
1:00:35
Speaker 1: here or your wife or your husband or whatever. And
1:00:39
Speaker 1: if you if you reject the premise right off the
1:00:41
Speaker 1: bat and say I'm not going for that, then they
1:00:43
Speaker 1: have nothing. And and this is like if you expand
1:00:46
Speaker 1: that to the macro level, this is what they do everywhere,
1:00:48
Speaker 1: Like this is how they divide men and women, black
1:00:51
Speaker 1: and white, like whatever, right, that's that's what they do.
1:00:54
Speaker 1: And it's it's uh, the.
1:00:57
Speaker 5: Do on as read what they do on here. You're
1:01:00
Speaker 5: helping a debate with somebody on here. Straight away, they
1:01:03
Speaker 5: try to go to the name calling and hope that
1:01:06
Speaker 5: you say something back, like you know how they're always
1:01:09
Speaker 5: calling you you're either a racist or a sexist or something,
1:01:13
Speaker 5: and then you've not said anything racist or anything sexist,
1:01:17
Speaker 5: so they try to get you to say something and
1:01:20
Speaker 5: then they can go and I knew you with that
1:01:22
Speaker 5: or all along. But if you never play along with
1:01:25
Speaker 5: that game, they don't know what to do and they
1:01:27
Speaker 5: just go up to the name call themselves.
1:01:29
Speaker 1: That's right. And that's why I reject those labels, like immediately,
1:01:34
Speaker 1: I've flat out you know, and I tell people if
1:01:38
Speaker 1: some don't let people try to convince or you know,
1:01:42
Speaker 1: to call you a racist or sexist or whatever. If
1:01:45
Speaker 1: you know that you're not, then that shouldn't affect you
1:01:48
Speaker 1: should not be making excuses or explaining you're like, well,
1:01:51
Speaker 1: here's why I'm not a racist. Don't do that because
1:01:53
Speaker 1: you lost, because that's what they're trying to do. If
1:01:55
Speaker 1: you tell them prove it and then you leave it
1:01:58
Speaker 1: at that, or just say, you know what, I don't
1:02:00
Speaker 1: know what that word even means anymore, So I don't
1:02:03
Speaker 1: really care, you know, Let's get on with the argus,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: talk about the case.
1:02:07
Speaker 3: That's what I say. I say, Yeah, fine, fine, I'm
1:02:10
Speaker 3: a misogynist right now?
1:02:13
Speaker 5: What? Yeah?
1:02:14
Speaker 3: Exactly what?
1:02:19
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:02:21
Speaker 5: I think you can beat them though, without having to
1:02:24
Speaker 5: give them any credit whatsoever. If but most people, when
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Speaker 5: you when you win by logic, you don't have to
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Speaker 5: resort to any of our tactics. I find that. I
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Speaker 5: actually it's funny you said that. If you look at
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Speaker 5: my pinned tweet, that's basically what it says that when
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Speaker 5: you're wrong, you should have met you're wrong. There's nothing
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Speaker 5: wrong when I'm wrong, But don't let other people tell
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Speaker 5: you you're wrong. If you're not. You should know yourself.
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Speaker 5: Get to know yourself first, realize that you're you're suring
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Speaker 5: what you're saying, and don't let other people bully you
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Speaker 5: into mitting something when when you don't need to.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, I'm gonna end the show here, Alan,
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Speaker 1: do you have any final thoughts before I let you go?
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Speaker 5: Then I was just looking through to see him was
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Speaker 5: on and I recognize Brian's name, so I just popped
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Speaker 5: in to say all the way, I'm going to try
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Speaker 5: and join a few more of these spaces.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to do them more frequently, but like
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Speaker 1: maybe once every other week or once a week or
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Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, try to do more. I'll definitely
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Speaker 1: do one around Christmas time.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll join enough.
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Speaker 1: I see you then, Okay, all right, hopefully I see
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Speaker 1: you all right, guys. Yeah, see you later, man, Happy Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 1: I know you guys don't celebrate that up there, but
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Speaker 1: maybe you should do that.
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Speaker 5: But happy thanksgivin to you guys. I don't, but I
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Speaker 5: hope you have a God.
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Speaker 1: I will thank you, all right, guys, Brian, Happy Thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: to you too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Brian. Even know your
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Speaker 3: name spelled wron.
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Speaker 1: No, I beg to differ. I think I'm the one
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Speaker 1: with the correct spelling. Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna mute the space. But thanks guys for coming on
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Speaker 1: the show. If you guys like this video, please hit like,
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Speaker 1: please share this video because sharing is caring. Thank you
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Speaker 1: guys so much for coming on today's episode of the
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Speaker 1: Twitter Spaces. We'll be doing more of these and maybe
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Speaker 1: they'll get more like hot as time goes on, and
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Speaker 1: we'll see you guys in the next one. Have a
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Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving if you celebrate it, and even if you don't,
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Speaker 1: have a good Thursday