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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-13-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought you by Big Willis
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Speaker 2: Heaving Monday.
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Speaker 3: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Shaw on ESPN seven
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Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us.
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Speaker 3: After a very interesting weekend in the world of sports,
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Speaker 3: Big Fight weekend. Some crazy stuff happened in the PFL
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Speaker 3: fights in Chicago. UFC was also an action in Miami.
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Speaker 3: They insane finishing their main event. Boxing happened this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the NBA regular seat in wrapping up. NHL
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Speaker 3: still a couple of games left to play, but the
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Speaker 3: playoff picture taking a very significant shape since the last
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Speaker 3: time we spoke on Thursday morning. Thursday morning into the afternoon,
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Speaker 3: your Utah Mammoth clinched a spot in the playoffs. They
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Speaker 3: are still currently in that wild card one spot, but
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Speaker 3: they've got some work to do in the final two
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Speaker 3: games of the regular season to make sure they stayed there.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that with Adrian Denny on a jam
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Speaker 3: packed show. Week so I've got to travel again this week,
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Speaker 3: and I promise this is the last one that's gonna
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Speaker 3: take me away for a significant amount of time. But
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Speaker 3: we're in Belfast this week and we decided and James.
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Speaker 3: Thank goodness for James Peterson being he's as flexible as
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Speaker 3: a red rock when it comes to the schedule. Ari
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Speaker 3: Tempkin joins US today, Kevin mcgiven joins US today. The
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Speaker 3: Utah offensive coordinator, Gordy Chiersa joins US. Adrian Denny joins
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Speaker 3: US today. Big t Thorough Bailey to talk a little
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Speaker 3: Utah jazz and NBA basketball as well. So we're cramming
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Speaker 3: a bunch in on the Monday Show and I'm excited
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Speaker 3: about that. Also this weekend, and the thing that I
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Speaker 3: think a lot of you were probably watching with the
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Speaker 3: greatest interest was, of course, the Masters. Rory McElroy becomes
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Speaker 3: only the fourth player in the distinguished history of Augusta
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Speaker 3: National to win back to back Masters tournaments.
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Speaker 2: He finishes what minus twelve.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of conversation about the way that the
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Speaker 3: production of the way that the broadcast maybe fumbled a
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Speaker 3: little bit and didn't show his final actual tournament winning shot,
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Speaker 3: the little tap in and I guess that matters, but
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Speaker 3: they were trying to do a little bit of storytelling
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Speaker 3: with the reaction shots and they like that instead. I
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Speaker 3: kind of don't care either way, if I'm being honest,
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Speaker 3: but it.
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Speaker 2: Was a bogee anyway. Who cares? But Rory McElroy.
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Speaker 3: Hangs on in a final day on a Sunday where
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Speaker 3: a lot of your leaders in those final couple of rounds,
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Speaker 3: in those final few holes were really struggling. Roy McElroy
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Speaker 3: hangs on and wins back to back Masters. PGA Golf
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Speaker 3: golf in general has been looking for the next Tiger
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Speaker 3: for the longest time. They've been holding their breath and
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Speaker 3: hoping that somebody can be the next Tiger Woods. And
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Speaker 3: that's a fool's errand you're not going to find the
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Speaker 3: next Tiger Woods. There's not going to be another one
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Speaker 3: that does the things that Tiger did, that dominates and
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Speaker 3: captures attention and intimidates and changes the game like Tiger Woods. Right,
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Speaker 3: there's certain things that you just can't do exactly. You
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Speaker 3: can't find a good analogy for a second or a
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Speaker 3: third time around.
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Speaker 2: You can't.
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Speaker 3: There's not gonna be another Muhammad Ali. You could find
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Speaker 3: a boxer who's better than him. You can find a
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Speaker 3: boxer who's got a better record than him. We've seen
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Speaker 3: those things already. You're not gonna find the next Muhammad Ali.
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Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna find the next Mike Tyson
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Speaker 3: that captures people the way that Mike Tyson did.
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Speaker 2: That Muhammad Ali did long before my time.
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Speaker 3: But obviously he's a guy that were hyper aware of
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Speaker 3: and we've actually seen his fights even though they were
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Speaker 3: broadcast live before you're born. You're not gonna find another
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Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark. I don't think will there be a female
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Speaker 3: basketball player that's better than Kaitlyn Clark at some point?
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Speaker 2: Probably yes, Have there been already?
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Speaker 4: Definitely yes, but no one's just the phenomenon that she was.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, that like that's the point, that's where you're getting.
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Speaker 4: The NBA did this thing with Michael Jordan for the
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Speaker 4: longest time. Do you remember, James, you're probably too young
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Speaker 4: for this if you're exactly my age, if you're in
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Speaker 4: the you're kind of like early forties, maybe even you
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Speaker 4: folks in your late thirties, and you were catching like
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Speaker 4: the tail end of Michael Jordan. The Washington Wizards Michael Jordan.
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Speaker 4: There was a clear recognition that.
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Speaker 3: The NBA was like, oh, we gotta we gotta find
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Speaker 3: the next one of him. And they hadn't identified that
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Speaker 3: Kolby was going to be the next like the next
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Speaker 3: closest analogy. They hadn't yet identified a fifteen year old
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Speaker 3: Lebron James being definitively that dude yet, although some people had.
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Speaker 3: And so they were doing this thing where they were
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Speaker 3: just being like, hey, Grant Hill is going to be
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Speaker 3: the next Michael Jordan. Hey Jerry Stackhouse is going to
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Speaker 3: be the next Michael Jordan. Hey Jamal Mashburn might be
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Speaker 3: the next Michael Jordan. And they were doing it in
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Speaker 3: a way that was like, guys, I mean even my
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Speaker 3: young twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds was starting to recognize,
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Speaker 3: like what are they doing? Because those guys would get
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Speaker 3: signed to a shoe deal, they get a signature shoe,
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Speaker 3: they would try to roll out some commercial that either
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Speaker 3: deliberately or accidentally or subtlely or obviously compared this guy
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Speaker 3: and tried to make like, hey, the shoe thing is
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Speaker 3: part of the recipe.
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Speaker 2: You gotta have your own shoe.
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Speaker 3: Like Michael was there, he crossed that threshold first in
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Speaker 3: a lot of ways to set it up so that
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Speaker 3: other guys have what they have now, but you can't
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Speaker 3: find another one. It's not ever the same the next
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Speaker 3: time you go through that very first experience and Roy
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Speaker 3: McElroy is right now today the closest thing to that
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Speaker 3: dominant golfer, the closest thing to that that star that
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Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that maybe he's appointment viewing, but not
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Speaker 3: even close to a way that Tiger Woods was so
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Speaker 3: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. Extend
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Speaker 3: it out beyond golf. But find me somebody who is
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Speaker 3: in whatever your sport you want to identify, that is
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Speaker 3: going to be talked about as that as I have
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Speaker 3: to watch him no matter what. Connor McGregor did this
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Speaker 3: in MMA. Okay, you don't care about mixed martial arts.
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Speaker 3: Most of you that listen to this show, most of
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Speaker 3: you still know who Connor McGregor is. Probably watched at
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Speaker 3: least a couple of his fights. Maybe you watched the
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Speaker 3: crossover when he did the boxing match with Floyd Mayweather.
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Speaker 3: Even if you're not a Mayweather fan and not a
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Speaker 3: McGregor fan, it's probably kind of like that. Jake Paul
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Speaker 3: Mike Tyson thing where you're just like, I can't look away.
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Speaker 3: It's a cultural moment, it's a phenomenon, right there's not
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Speaker 3: gonna there's a bunch of dudes right now that are
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Speaker 3: trying to be Connor McGregor.
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Speaker 2: You can't.
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Speaker 3: He did it better than he wasn't the first trash
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Speaker 3: talker or he was just the best one, and he
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Speaker 3: elevated the sport in a way that other people haven't.
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Speaker 3: There's not gonna be another Ronda Rousey. Ronda Rowsey's not
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Speaker 3: even gonna be Ronda Rowsey again. She's fighting in May,
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Speaker 3: after nine years away from the sport against a woman
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Speaker 3: who's seventeen years away from the sport. They're trying to
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Speaker 3: recapture some of that glory like Mike Tyson did. They'll
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Speaker 3: get money for it. It's not gonna look the way
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Speaker 3: it used to. And that's fine. But we've been through
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Speaker 3: these sort of phases in our sports fandom where there's
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Speaker 3: must watch players. You have to see what this guy
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Speaker 3: is doing. Even if I'm not a fan of golf,
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Speaker 3: I knew what Tiger Woods was, and I knew what
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Speaker 3: Tiger Woods meant, and I could not avoid seeing Tiger
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Speaker 3: Woods fist pumping in Sunday Red.
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Speaker 2: You couldn't you couldn't look away.
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Speaker 3: It was not a thing that you could avoid if
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Speaker 3: you had cable TV and Sports Center, like it was
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Speaker 3: going to be fed to you.
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Speaker 2: And we're not in a play like even.
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Speaker 3: Shake Gildess Alexander is either gonna be back to back
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Speaker 3: MVP or he's gonna be MVP then runner up for MVP.
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Speaker 2: Right, he's an unbelievable basketball player.
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Speaker 3: You can go through an entire week of watching sports
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Speaker 3: on television and not see one glimpse of Shake Gildess Alexander.
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Speaker 3: You can go in today's NFL, right, there is not
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Speaker 3: a Tom Brady in today's NFL. The closest thing you
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Speaker 3: have in the You know you're gonna have to see
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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers has become a tabloid sensation.
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Speaker 3: They find a way to talk about Aaron Rodgers because
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Speaker 3: they're trying to drive ratings, and it's it's unfortunately, it's
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Speaker 3: maybe the downfall of the business that we're in right
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Speaker 3: now that there aren't those guys like our imagination isn't
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Speaker 3: captured by the competitor himself or herself consistently enough, and
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Speaker 3: so we have to look at the sort of voyeuristic
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Speaker 3: things around them, like, ooh look at this crazy story.
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Speaker 3: Oh look at this contract negotiation. Oh look at the
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Speaker 3: soap opera that's happening. When with Michael Jordan, you didn't
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Speaker 3: need that part. You didn't get that part. Social media
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Speaker 3: wasn't a thing, so you didn't hear on television at
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Speaker 3: least you didn't hear all the behind the scenes stuff.
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Speaker 3: Kolby wasn't that, and then he was that, and then
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Speaker 3: he wasn't that again. Right, Shaquille O'Neal was just somebody
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Speaker 3: that you saw because you were like, look at the dominance.
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Speaker 3: He's breaking backboards, he's elbowing like and pushing guys that
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Speaker 3: are Hall of famers out of the way. And Rory
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Speaker 3: McElroy is even in the back to Back Masters scenario,
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Speaker 3: he's not quite that. Right, Like today, you're going to
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Speaker 3: tune in. I'm looking at television. I'm there's a Pat
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Speaker 3: McAfee show on, right, and they're talking Rory, and they're
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Speaker 3: showing Rory walk in the court and they're showing Rory
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Speaker 3: shots and getting himself into the woods and then out
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Speaker 3: of trouble. And like, I'm not trying to take anything
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Speaker 3: away from Rory McElroy for obvious reasons.
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Speaker 2: He's incredible.
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Speaker 3: Golf has been hanging on to the ghost of Tiger,
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Speaker 3: even when they have guys like this, even when they
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Speaker 3: were like, it's gonna be Jordan Speed, dang it, no,
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Speaker 3: it's not. It's gonna be Scotti Scheffler, Ah, dang it, no,
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Speaker 3: it's not. It's gonna be Rory McElroy. Sorta, Is there
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Speaker 3: anyone eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
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Speaker 3: who you look at and they're not there yet or
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Speaker 3: maybe they are in your mind, and it's like that
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Speaker 3: everyone at some point is going to agree.
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Speaker 2: That we're seeing that dude.
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Speaker 3: He is going to be one of the biggest megastars
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Speaker 3: in the sport, or she is going to be one
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Speaker 3: of the biggest megastars in the sport. We're gonna talk
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Speaker 3: about this kid in in the Daily Dump. I'll start
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Speaker 3: I'll start talking about him.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: There's an Australian teenager named Gout. Gout.
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Speaker 3: He is a sprinter who just broke Usain Bolts under
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Speaker 3: twenty record in the two hundred meter.
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Speaker 2: He ran faster.
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Speaker 3: As a teenager than Usain Bolt ran as a teenager.
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Speaker 3: Now that's not a mega popular sport. That's something that's
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Speaker 3: only going to come around every four years. And he's
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Speaker 3: got to complete his upward trajectory to get to a
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Speaker 3: place where he's breaking Usain Bolts records. Obviously, if he
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Speaker 3: can ever get there, that is something we thought maybe
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Speaker 3: we would never see. That is something that qualified for
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Speaker 3: me is I have to watch that. That's the fastest
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Speaker 3: man who has ever lived in Usain Bolt. And then
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Speaker 3: what have we seen in the Olympics since? What have
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Speaker 3: we seen in the World Championship since? And again I'm
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Speaker 3: talking about a niche sport here, but you haven't seen
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Speaker 3: the greatest of all time. When you have the greatest
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Speaker 3: of all time or a guy in the conversation for
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Speaker 3: the greatest of all time and that era comes to
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Speaker 3: an end, it is a letdown for everyone. Gretzki out
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Speaker 3: of hockey, just like oh Man, and there hasn't been
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Speaker 3: like Conor McDavid's close.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Crosby was close.
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Speaker 4: Ovechkin broke his goals record and he was certainly a
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Speaker 4: phenomenon at the beginning. He's he's now at the end
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Speaker 4: of his career. Crosby's now at the end.
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Speaker 3: Of his they were playing. They were playing against one
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Speaker 3: another for likely the last time.
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Speaker 4: This past weekend came in about the same time, I think,
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Speaker 4: maybe a year or so apart, and they were it
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Speaker 4: was Crosby versus Ovechkin. Even for guys who didn't watch hockey,
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Speaker 4: you saw that on Sports Center all the time in
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Speaker 4: the late two thousand's, early twenty ten's there and yeah.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, you bring up in a really
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Speaker 3: good point and interesting point there there's a there's an
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Speaker 3: added element. If there's the guy the baby face in
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Speaker 3: the heel, if there's the guy you love and the
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Speaker 3: guy you hate in that, if there's the Sid the kid,
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Speaker 3: the American and like the Russian coming over to conquer
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Speaker 3: the league. Like there's some things that you like or
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Speaker 3: you don't like it, but whether you're on one side
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Speaker 3: or the other, right that, if there's a rivalry to
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Speaker 3: be found, that's even better.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: If Mark McGuire was going for a home run record
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Speaker 3: by himself, like Barry Bonds ended up doing later just
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Speaker 3: a few years later, it would not have been as sensationalized,
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Speaker 3: as phenomenal, as incredible as when he was going swing
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Speaker 3: for swing against Sammy Sosa.
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Speaker 2: That whole year.
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and case in point, I'll bet you if
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Speaker 4: you asked people who weren't around or maybe were too
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Speaker 4: young to remember when Barry Bonds broke the single season record,
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Speaker 4: I'll bet you they can't even tell you what year
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Speaker 4: it was. But I'll bet you a lot of people
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Speaker 4: can tell you that nineteen ninety eight was the year
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Speaker 4: Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa went at it, or they
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Speaker 4: could say late nineties. You know, like the two thousand
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Speaker 4: and one season's been lost to time because Barry Bond.
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Speaker 4: I think because Barry Bond said it by himself, right,
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Speaker 4: There wasn't any There wasn't a challenger that season. The
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Speaker 4: way that Sammy challenged Mark McGuire and pushed Mark McGuire.
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Speaker 3: And Tiger was so transcendent that it became Tiger versus
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Speaker 3: the field.
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Speaker 2: The field was his rival.
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Speaker 3: The rival was everyone else that he was just stomping
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Speaker 3: all over.
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Speaker 4: Right, Phil Nicholson was ended up being a formidable rival,
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Speaker 4: But that was that was after Tiger had already established
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Speaker 4: his dominance.
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Speaker 3: And so and and when that happened, by the way,
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Speaker 3: it elevated Phil in a way that without Tiger being there,
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Speaker 3: I don't think Phil ever would have gotten to right, like.
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Speaker 4: Because within the sport he would have been revered, but
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Speaker 4: outside of the sport, we wouldn't have known him.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know much about it I did.
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Speaker 2: It'd be like the stars of today.
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Speaker 3: Yes, like I know who and this is probably something
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Speaker 3: that sports radio guy shouldn't admit. But like, if you
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Speaker 3: put well the leader board, I'm looking at it from
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Speaker 3: from this weekend, right, if you put McElroy, Scheffler, Hatton, Henley, Rose, Young, Morikawa, Burns, Homer,
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Speaker 3: and Shoffley in a lineup, I could pick out maybe
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Speaker 3: five of them. Maybe you pick out I could pick
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Speaker 3: out Rory, I know he looks like. I could pick
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Speaker 3: out Scotty Scheffler. I know what Xander Schoffley looks like.
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Speaker 3: I think I could pick out Dustin Rose and look
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Speaker 3: Justin Rose, what I say close? Maybe I could pick
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Speaker 3: out Justin Rose.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 3: And not to be an idiot, but like I could
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Speaker 3: probably pick out Morikawa. But from that lineup, but at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, right, you don't have the same.
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Speaker 2: Gravitas.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, even when Rory goes back to back it's amazing,
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Speaker 3: it's wonderful, and then the comparisons come in and you're
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Speaker 3: just like, yeah, he's awesome, he's the best right now,
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Speaker 3: but we've seen our memory is so fresh of the
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Speaker 3: best to ever do it, or a guy that you know.
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Speaker 3: And and for the the folks who don't think that
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Speaker 3: Tiger was the best to ever do it, because they're
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Speaker 3: they're about Jack pardon me or whoever. That's kind of
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Speaker 3: like the Lebron versus Jordan debate. That's an age thing,
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Speaker 3: but there's something, there's meat on the bone there for you.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, for the young fan, the fan that
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Speaker 3: missed Tiger, they don't get to say, well, no, McElroy
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Speaker 3: belongs to that conversation. What's gonna happen in the NBA
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Speaker 3: when Lebron James retires and you're relying on it, Shay
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Speaker 3: to get in, get himself into that conversation, Cooper Flagg
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Speaker 3: to put himself in that conversation.
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Speaker 4: I think I think Wemby is destined to be in
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Speaker 4: that conversation. Wemby is the best example probably and he
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Speaker 4: is a phenomenal j Debonsa to be in that conversation
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Speaker 4: someday Wemby is a phenomenon no matter where he plays. Now,
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Speaker 4: is that gonna The NBA has screwed so many things
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Speaker 4: up to where people don't care about watching regular season basketball,
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Speaker 4: So that's gonna hurt him. As far as this, as
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Speaker 4: far as becoming a phenomenon that transcends the sport unless
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Speaker 4: they unless these new tanking rules that are that are
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Speaker 4: that Adam Silver is promised they're coming fix some things,
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Speaker 4: which I'm skeptical they will. That's going to hurt him,
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Speaker 4: But for those that care to watch, it's not. It
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Speaker 4: doesn't even matter that he that he plays in San Antonio,
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Speaker 4: like Kobe is still revered the way he's revered in
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Speaker 4: part because he was a Los Angeles Laker. Yeah, for sure,
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Speaker 4: he didn't if he played. If he if he and
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Speaker 4: Tim Duncan switched places, Kobe would not be this this
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Speaker 4: idol that people worship, in my opinion, But Wemby, Wemby
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Speaker 4: could be that even playing in San Antonio the way
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Speaker 4: that Lebron was that playing in Cleveland.
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Speaker 2: So in football, right you were a.
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Speaker 3: And forgive me if you're seventy years old and you're
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Speaker 3: listening right now, but you probably decided at some point
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Speaker 3: that you were watching the best to ever do it
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Speaker 3: at the quarterback position when Bart Starr was playing, And
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Speaker 3: then you probably had a debate with people when Joe
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Speaker 3: Montana was playing about whether you were watching the best
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Speaker 3: to ever do it. And then when Peyton Manning and
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Speaker 3: Tom Brady were competing with one another and Tom kind
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Speaker 3: of came out on top of that one, you were
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Speaker 3: probably wondering, now if I watched the best to ever
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Speaker 3: do it? And then if you're a young kid and
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Speaker 3: you didn't get to watch any of those older guys,
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Speaker 3: but you have an awareness at least of the Tom
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Speaker 3: Brady piece of that, and you've seen Patrick Mahomes, You're like, okay,
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Speaker 3: I have that one to use in golf right now,
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Speaker 3: the young golfer fan, the people that miss Tiger's prime,
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Speaker 3: I don't know that they've got that. And I think
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Speaker 3: they're probably trying to argue Scotti Scheffler right now, but
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Speaker 3: he's still building that he's not and he's not the
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Speaker 3: phenomenon that Tiger was. And again, it's unfair to expect
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Speaker 3: people to be the phenomenon that Tiger was, or to
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Speaker 3: be the phenomenon. Like we said that some of those
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Speaker 3: other megastar athletes have been because you can't go back
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Speaker 3: in time and capture those moments and capture a completely
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Speaker 3: different sports landscape. And part of the mystique that was
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Speaker 3: built around certain mega athletes that we grew to love
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Speaker 3: in some cases was their college careers. And now the
21:20
Speaker 3: nature of NCAA sports could help that or could hurt that, right.
21:25
Speaker 3: I think we became aware of aj De Bonsa much
21:29
Speaker 3: earlier than we became aware of Kobe Bryant. But now
21:33
Speaker 3: aj Debonts is going to have to carry an unbelievable
21:37
Speaker 3: and incredible load to even get into a comparative conversation
21:41
Speaker 3: with somebody like Kobe Bryant, and he's gonna have to
21:43
Speaker 3: do it in an atmosphere.
21:45
Speaker 2: Where you're.
21:49
Speaker 3: You're competing with external stimuli that even Kobe Michael Shack
21:56
Speaker 3: never had to.
21:57
Speaker 4: When he's also gonna do it in most likely Washington, Indiana, Sacramento,
22:09
Speaker 4: the Brooklyn, which, yeah, that's New York City, but that's
22:12
Speaker 4: the Nets. And he's not gonna have the platform like
22:15
Speaker 4: I was just saying about Kobe. He's not gonna have
22:17
Speaker 4: that ultra platform of Kobe, and he's not the transcendent
22:22
Speaker 4: he's not the phenomenon that Lebron James was coming out
22:25
Speaker 4: high school, that Wemby was coming from France, and so
22:29
Speaker 4: he's it's gonna be tougher for him to be that
22:32
Speaker 4: phenomenon unless he serves his time wherever in one of
22:37
Speaker 4: these more obscure markets.
22:39
Speaker 2: So and then goes to a bigger market.
22:41
Speaker 3: So if I if I ask you or out anyone
22:43
Speaker 3: out there listening eight seven seven three five three zero
22:45
Speaker 3: seven hundred the question, because I I think for me
22:49
Speaker 3: in golf, it's not there. And I'm probably I think
22:51
Speaker 3: a better judge of it because I don't watch a
22:53
Speaker 3: ton of golf and because I am not like we're
22:56
Speaker 3: looking for the transcendent star, right, And each generation has
23:01
Speaker 3: kind of had those guys in certain positions. And in
23:06
Speaker 3: football you really have to be basically a quarterback in
23:09
Speaker 3: order to become that. Yeah, and in basketball you could
23:12
Speaker 3: play any position, but it's mostly been small forwards and
23:15
Speaker 3: shooting guards that have done it lately.
23:19
Speaker 2: And like the.
23:21
Speaker 3: Wilt Chamberlains of the world and the Wilt Chamberlain hardcores
23:24
Speaker 3: and the Gordy Cheese is just like, you guys have
23:26
Speaker 3: no idea what you missed.
23:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Shaq is the modern version of that.
23:31
Speaker 4: But that's been a long time ago now, which is
23:33
Speaker 4: so wild.
23:33
Speaker 3: Like Shack was and I've had this, Shack is as
23:37
Speaker 3: dominant of an athlete in their sport as the world
23:41
Speaker 3: has ever seen from a physical domination standpoint. If Shaq
23:45
Speaker 3: made his damn free throws, his statistical domination would also
23:49
Speaker 3: be something that. Like we talk about records that can
23:52
Speaker 3: never be broken cal Ripken and stuff like that, Shack
23:56
Speaker 3: could be that.
23:56
Speaker 4: Dude, Yes, Shack might have scored over forty thousand points
24:00
Speaker 4: if he made if he was like a seventy percent.
24:05
Speaker 3: Like think of I mean in the sports that we
24:08
Speaker 3: care most about here in Utah football, basketball, now hockey.
24:12
Speaker 3: In hockey, you're watching the end of a couple of
24:16
Speaker 3: careers with guys that are gonna at least be mentioned.
24:20
Speaker 3: They're at least going to be given a blurb alongside
24:24
Speaker 3: the Wayne Gretzky's of the world. Right, Alexovechkin broke the record,
24:30
Speaker 3: Sidney Crosby was a champion, wasn't MVP, was a long
24:34
Speaker 3: perennial All Star, was a leader, was a gold medalist,
24:37
Speaker 3: was all these things.
24:38
Speaker 4: He's like mister Canada too. The way Wayne Gretzky wasn't
24:41
Speaker 4: his time yet as you turn the page from those guys,
24:49
Speaker 4: is there the other one? And Macklin Celebrini is the
24:51
Speaker 4: most obvious candidate right now?
24:53
Speaker 2: All right?
24:54
Speaker 4: Did you I think Connor McDavid will get mentioned, but
24:57
Speaker 4: he may. He may need to break through and win
25:00
Speaker 4: got to win a cup to get there. He's got
25:02
Speaker 4: to win a cup or else. He's Dan Marino, but
25:04
Speaker 4: we talk about him.
25:05
Speaker 3: He's revered, but we're just like, that's one of the best,
25:09
Speaker 3: but didn't do it. That is a damning, terrible asterisk.
25:14
Speaker 3: I mean, Carl Malone and John Stockton will go into
25:18
Speaker 3: the annals of history as two of the fifty best
25:21
Speaker 3: players to ever do it in the NBA. Didn't win
25:24
Speaker 3: a championship, And eventually, as the year stack on top
25:28
Speaker 3: of each other and more Wemby's come into the world,
25:30
Speaker 3: and more Shay Gildess, Alexander's and more Nikola Jokicic's come
25:33
Speaker 3: into the world. Because you didn't win championships, you get
25:37
Speaker 3: shoved aside, you get pushed on down. If you have
25:40
Speaker 3: the legacy that Tiger had, that Rory McElroy is building
25:45
Speaker 3: and so maybe I'm being unfair to him right now.
25:48
Speaker 3: You stay in those conversations in a way that guys
25:50
Speaker 3: who don't win championships, and even Connor bleep and McDavid
25:53
Speaker 3: might not stay in those conversations if he doesn't win.
25:57
Speaker 3: There could twenty years from now, you could be sitting
26:00
Speaker 3: and listening to me like rasping into a microphone. You
26:04
Speaker 3: young kids have no idea what Connor McDavid was like
26:07
Speaker 3: in his prime. And the young kids are just like, yeah,
26:09
Speaker 3: we don't. That guy never even won a championship.
26:11
Speaker 2: Stop talking about him.
26:14
Speaker 3: I'm all about the mac attack. Tija Ginla is the
26:17
Speaker 3: best to ever do it. Yeah that you know what.
26:20
Speaker 3: Let's let's start that hype train. Now, let's go.
26:23
Speaker 4: You like Maclin celebrity, you haven't seen Tja Ginla yet.
26:27
Speaker 2: Is the best player in the history.
26:29
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'm really fascinated by that dynamic
26:34
Speaker 3: right now, existing in a Master's where all of you
26:37
Speaker 3: golf fans are probably screaming at me on the radio.
26:39
Speaker 2: Shut up. It's not about Tiger's about what these guys
26:41
Speaker 2: are doing. They're playing just as good as golf as
26:43
Speaker 2: Tiger ever did.
26:44
Speaker 3: Fine, maybe I don't know. You're the expert, not me
26:48
Speaker 3: and McElroy. Tiger didn't win back to back Masters, right.
26:51
Speaker 2: He did.
26:52
Speaker 4: He was the last to do it. He was the
26:53
Speaker 4: last two thousand and one, two thousand. Oh that's right,
26:55
Speaker 4: I'm an idiot. He's one of the four.
26:57
Speaker 2: He's one of the four.
26:58
Speaker 3: So he put himself literally next to Tiger for that accomplishment.
27:03
Speaker 3: But then it's like you're still looking up at all
27:06
Speaker 3: the other things.
27:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think you make a great point
27:10
Speaker 4: here to start the show. Oh see, it's not about
27:13
Speaker 4: being better, it's about were you a phenomenon?
27:17
Speaker 2: Were you a tran? Did you transcend your sport in
27:19
Speaker 2: some way?
27:21
Speaker 4: And none of the guys going right now, none of
27:24
Speaker 4: the great golfers right now, including Roy McElroy, Scottie Scheffer,
27:29
Speaker 4: whoever else you want to put up there, none of
27:31
Speaker 4: them have that the same way like Steph Curry was
27:35
Speaker 4: that for the NBA for a long time.
27:37
Speaker 2: You know how he wasn't better than Lebron James.
27:40
Speaker 3: You know, any damn kids play basketball a certain way
27:43
Speaker 3: and chew on a mouthpiece while they're dribbling because of
27:46
Speaker 3: Steph Curry.
27:47
Speaker 4: He wasn't better than Lebron James. He wasn't better than
27:50
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant. He wasn't he's He wasn't better, And I'm
27:54
Speaker 4: talking about in their prime. He comparable to some of
27:58
Speaker 4: those guys, but he he's more famous. He transcended the sport,
28:03
Speaker 4: he did all that. He was that kind of influence
28:05
Speaker 4: on the young people you're talking about right now, Oh see,
28:07
Speaker 4: because he's a phenomenon, right It's not about being better,
28:10
Speaker 4: it's about were you a cultural phenomenon in sports.
28:13
Speaker 2: I don't think we have that in golf.
28:15
Speaker 4: Right now, and I don't think as great as Scotty
28:17
Speaker 4: Scheffer is people are talking about him as the heir
28:19
Speaker 4: apparent to Tiger Is in how great he is, he's
28:23
Speaker 4: not going to be the phenomenon that Tiger is. We
28:26
Speaker 4: may never see that again in golf. I hope we do,
28:29
Speaker 4: but we may never see it. The closest to the
28:31
Speaker 4: cultural phenomenon in golf is like Rocky Balboa to boxing.
28:36
Speaker 2: It's Happy Gilmour, a fictional character. I like that.
28:44
Speaker 3: Again, you golf purists could be as mad as you want,
28:47
Speaker 3: but the same way, I'm not going to try to
28:50
Speaker 3: force feed you some random name like you guys have
28:55
Speaker 3: no idea, Dustin Ployer, he actually beat Conor McGregor. He's
28:58
Speaker 3: the guy you should be talking about. No, the name
29:01
Speaker 3: you're gonna remember in my sport is Connor McGregor. Like
29:07
Speaker 3: we've had now twenty fighters better than him, but nobody
29:11
Speaker 3: gets to take his place because of that particular moment
29:16
Speaker 3: in history that he occupied.
29:20
Speaker 2: The first mover.
29:21
Speaker 3: Type benefit that he gets is he he pushed it
29:24
Speaker 3: into a conversation that had never been in before. Tiger
29:28
Speaker 3: did that. Rory can't, no matter how good he gets,
29:31
Speaker 3: he can't, by the way, incredible story. Knowing how difficult
29:39
Speaker 3: it was for Rory and the amount of meltdowns he
29:41
Speaker 3: had in various majors including the Masters, to finally break
29:47
Speaker 3: through last year and then to go back to back,
29:49
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't think that we'd see that from Rory.
29:51
Speaker 3: I thought last year's Masters might be the end of
29:56
Speaker 3: him being a major champion.
29:57
Speaker 4: He's not young anymore. But he may just win a
30:03
Speaker 4: couple of majors this year. That'd be an incredible story.
30:05
Speaker 4: And even if he doesn't, going back to back in
30:07
Speaker 4: the Masters is incredible that. Uh.
30:10
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's gonna have the same or a
30:12
Speaker 3: similar dinner next year because he gets to choose.
30:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in charge of it.
30:17
Speaker 5: Again.
30:18
Speaker 3: It would be such a flex if you had the
30:21
Speaker 3: exact same meal.
30:23
Speaker 4: Did you hear his dogg It's what I like. Yeah,
30:25
Speaker 4: did you hear his daughter Poppy made the centerpieces? That's adorable,
30:30
Speaker 4: which is like, that's awesome. Heard that on the on
30:34
Speaker 4: the CBS.
30:34
Speaker 3: You know what, I'd be grudgingly, I've been kind of
30:37
Speaker 3: like anti Augusta National because of its like pomposity. I'm
30:44
Speaker 3: coming around because of the family stuff. I'm getting the
30:47
Speaker 3: kids involved.
30:49
Speaker 4: Maybe, like many people, as you get older, you have
30:52
Speaker 4: more affection for certain golf things or golf in general.
30:55
Speaker 3: I'm getting I'm getting soft on golf after being staunchly.
30:59
Speaker 4: Like no, and I'm not saying you're gonna take up golf.
31:03
Speaker 4: I'm not sure you'll do that, but you maybe get
31:06
Speaker 4: a little a little soft as far as a consumer there.
31:10
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, augusta.
31:13
Speaker 3: Century and a half of misogyny and racism washed out
31:16
Speaker 3: by Poppy McElroy's centerpieces and our three family contest and
31:23
Speaker 3: a bunch of cute little kids running around in caddy outfits.
31:28
Speaker 3: I guess I'm not merely as principled as I wish
31:30
Speaker 3: I was. Ari Tempkin's gonna join us next. A jam
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Speaker 3: packed show just getting started. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
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Speaker 3: on ESPN seven hundred ninetye FM.
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Speaker 1: You tuned to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred at one a half am.
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Speaker 2: Oh, come back to the show and O'Connor show.
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Speaker 3: Welcome man, Ari tien Kind Big twelve Radio on tune
32:04
Speaker 3: in and at the Big twelve studios. And I think
32:08
Speaker 3: Ari's gonna have to inform me here maybe an update
32:11
Speaker 3: to the Twitter bio.
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Speaker 2: Ari, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir.
32:17
Speaker 5: To have an update to the Twitter bio? What did
32:18
Speaker 5: I do?
32:19
Speaker 2: Did I see Victoria?
32:20
Speaker 6: When is it?
32:21
Speaker 3: Did I just not notice Bears draft for Second City
32:24
Speaker 3: Gridiron last time I looked at your Twitter bio.
32:28
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
32:28
Speaker 7: Yeah.
32:29
Speaker 5: I you know I've I've been a huge Bears fid
32:32
Speaker 5: my whole wife. I know, we've talked about the fact
32:34
Speaker 5: that I'm from Chicago. And you know it's funny because
32:36
Speaker 5: in my travels in media, I've covered a ton of
32:39
Speaker 5: teams that I don't really care for at least, you know,
32:42
Speaker 5: not that I was ever a fan of specifically the
32:44
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys and had a great time covering them, but yeah,
32:48
Speaker 5: I got an opportunity here with the last few months
32:51
Speaker 5: to sort of bring my passion and love for you know,
32:55
Speaker 5: college sports, the Big twelve and and and being able
32:59
Speaker 5: to cover the draft for a team that I grew
33:01
Speaker 5: up loving. And it's probably now and about to be
33:04
Speaker 5: and maybe the greatest period of the history of the
33:06
Speaker 5: Chicago Bears.
33:08
Speaker 3: I was in Chicago on Friday and Saturday for some
33:13
Speaker 3: PFL fights. We were at wind Trust Arena on the
33:17
Speaker 3: DePaul campus doing some fights, and every driver that I had,
33:24
Speaker 3: and we've been going to Chicago for seven straight years now,
33:28
Speaker 3: this was the first time I felt buzz around your Bears.
33:31
Speaker 3: This was the first time that people were just like, man,
33:34
Speaker 3: this is going to be awesome, and you know, they're
33:38
Speaker 3: an iconic franchise.
33:39
Speaker 2: We were talking.
33:40
Speaker 3: I'm talking to people about the where they think the
33:42
Speaker 3: stadium should end up and things like that. But there's
33:46
Speaker 3: a palpable optimism and energy that has not been there
33:50
Speaker 3: in Chicago for the Bears for a while, for.
33:53
Speaker 5: A long time dude. I mean it really and I
33:55
Speaker 5: mean you look back historically at this franchise, and I
33:58
Speaker 5: mean some of the greatest lineback the game has ever seen,
34:02
Speaker 5: you know, when you think about butt Kiss and Singletary
34:04
Speaker 5: and er Locker and you know, and so many others,
34:07
Speaker 5: and you know, I mean defensively, just some absolute beasts.
34:10
Speaker 5: But you know, never a quarterback. The Bears have never
34:13
Speaker 5: had a four thousand yard passer. I mean, there are
34:15
Speaker 5: franchises in the National Football League that have like five
34:18
Speaker 5: or six passers that have thrown for at least four
34:20
Speaker 5: thousand yards, and Bears have never had a four thousand
34:22
Speaker 5: yard passer. And Caleb got as close as any last
34:26
Speaker 5: year and his first year within Ben Johnson's system, so
34:30
Speaker 5: I mean, look, he had some things to clean up,
34:31
Speaker 5: but it was still only year two for Caleb, and
34:33
Speaker 5: we're one within a brand new system. And I give
34:36
Speaker 5: him a complete mulligan for year one, considering the grease fire,
34:39
Speaker 5: if you will, that existed for the coaching staff. And look,
34:41
Speaker 5: I mean this organization has really been very, very poor.
34:45
Speaker 5: You know, you trace him back to George Talas and
34:46
Speaker 5: they won tons of championships, but then you know, after
34:49
Speaker 5: Hallis dies, they give the franchise over the McCaskey family,
34:52
Speaker 5: and they've just been horrendous and feels like every move
34:56
Speaker 5: they made was the wrong move. And you know, and
34:59
Speaker 5: Fire being able to hire Ben Johnson and bringing Gamble
35:02
Speaker 5: Williams at least in one year, it looked like absolute
35:04
Speaker 5: God said for an organization that just had not had
35:07
Speaker 5: much success. So you know, I'm joining the chorus of
35:11
Speaker 5: people like that. But you know, at the same time,
35:12
Speaker 5: you got to go prove it. And this is I mean,
35:14
Speaker 5: I think ye'r two is more difficult within this new
35:17
Speaker 5: system because now teams have film. You know, now teams
35:20
Speaker 5: are going to be able to scheme and gain plans
35:21
Speaker 5: for the things that you did well when last year
35:23
Speaker 5: is more of a surprise. So it should be fun.
35:25
Speaker 5: And of course, I'm sure youths fans remember Jalen Johnson
35:27
Speaker 5: who is coming off an injury from last year and
35:30
Speaker 5: played well at the end of the season. So hopefully
35:32
Speaker 5: he can come back fully healthy and be you know,
35:34
Speaker 5: the shutdown corner that he's been for the Bears since
35:36
Speaker 5: he's joined the league.
35:39
Speaker 3: All Right, we're not going to make this Bears Radio today,
35:41
Speaker 3: so I want to one of the things that has.
35:43
Speaker 5: Been really bring up Jalen Johnson.
35:47
Speaker 3: One of the things that's very interesting to me in
35:50
Speaker 3: these last few years, both in the Pac twelve and
35:53
Speaker 3: then now in the Big twelve, has been the sort
35:56
Speaker 3: of rise and I don't like saying fall, but it's
36:00
Speaker 3: the correct way I think to characterize it of Dion Sanders,
36:04
Speaker 3: especially when it comes to a perception standpoint with him
36:07
Speaker 3: as a coach. And that may be unfair because he
36:09
Speaker 3: was dealing with some really significant health challenges last year that,
36:14
Speaker 3: whether he wants to admit it or not, absolutely did
36:17
Speaker 3: hurt his ability to be a coach. And he says
36:20
Speaker 3: his health is good now. But it's been really for
36:24
Speaker 3: me interesting to see how people react to Dion and
36:28
Speaker 3: by extension, Colorado football. And right now it seems like
36:32
Speaker 3: the mood towards Colorado football and the public opinion is
36:37
Speaker 3: set on skepticism and almost humor regarding the Buffs. And
36:42
Speaker 3: I didn't expect this was not on my bingo card,
36:45
Speaker 3: but the images coming out of spring football of the Buffaloes,
36:52
Speaker 3: people going like, man, this is a tiny team, Like
36:54
Speaker 3: physically the players are too small, and then of course
36:58
Speaker 3: people dive in and there's fourteen guys on the roster
37:00
Speaker 3: that are listed at one hundred and eighty five pounds
37:03
Speaker 3: or less. And now, rather than questioning personnel decisions, at
37:09
Speaker 3: least coaching personnel decisions and how do you replace this
37:12
Speaker 3: player or that player, the question has gone so far
37:16
Speaker 3: as to say, hey, does Deon have a roster that
37:18
Speaker 3: is made up of guys with small bodies? Like their
37:21
Speaker 3: bodies are too small? And I didn't think we would
37:24
Speaker 3: get to this point two years after we're talking about
37:27
Speaker 3: is he the best coach in college football?
37:29
Speaker 2: Right now?
37:30
Speaker 3: So, first of all, is that roster too small based
37:34
Speaker 3: on what we have seen? And how far can this
37:38
Speaker 3: fall for DIA.
37:41
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny because so there's so many ways
37:43
Speaker 5: to talk about this. I'm so glad you brought this up,
37:45
Speaker 5: ooc SO one. Yes, maybe you know one of their biggest,
37:51
Speaker 5: most high profile transfers five ten, one hundred and seventy
37:54
Speaker 5: five pound receiver from Sacramento State and San Jose State
37:57
Speaker 5: named Denny Scadero, who had twelve hundred receiving yards for
38:02
Speaker 5: San Jose State last year. He led the He led
38:05
Speaker 5: the country and receiving yards five ten, one hundred and
38:08
Speaker 5: seventy five pounds, and I don't think Julian Lewis is
38:11
Speaker 5: that big of a dude either, And so it felt
38:13
Speaker 5: like those are the two guys that were featured in
38:15
Speaker 5: that video, and it did look comically small. And look,
38:19
Speaker 5: this is, oh see where Dion lives like he lives
38:22
Speaker 5: in the margins. It's either love or hate. There's no
38:25
Speaker 5: in between. And when you think about, you know, any
38:28
Speaker 5: time they've been counted out and the expectations have been
38:31
Speaker 5: so low, which is about where they are right now,
38:33
Speaker 5: they seem to exceed those expectations. It's when the expectations
38:36
Speaker 5: in the sky high and people are, you know, putting
38:39
Speaker 5: some respect on Dion's name, that seems that things seem
38:42
Speaker 5: to go sour. And I do think that there's good
38:45
Speaker 5: reason for optimism this year, you know, whereas last year
38:48
Speaker 5: it was absolute grease fire. And I mean, to your point,
38:50
Speaker 5: like there's some pretty legitimate reasons for it. I mean,
38:54
Speaker 5: Dion not spending the entire offseason with the team, there
38:57
Speaker 5: was obviously confusion over his status. I would sure, I
39:00
Speaker 5: would be sure internally, you know, I imagine some of
39:03
Speaker 5: the players knew what was going on, But you know,
39:05
Speaker 5: I'm sure, there had to be a lot of confusion
39:07
Speaker 5: and that that led to just a really bad season.
39:09
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Cayden Salter was throwing to a
39:11
Speaker 5: really bad offense where, you know, it was way more
39:14
Speaker 5: of a pro NFL style that worked for Sugar Sanders,
39:18
Speaker 5: it worked for what they were doing previously. But you know,
39:21
Speaker 5: if you've got a you know, a freshman quarterback and
39:24
Speaker 5: Julian Lewis, and you've got a veteran quarterback and Kayden Salter,
39:28
Speaker 5: and then you've got this long and the two offensive
39:30
Speaker 5: coordinator that's a former NFL head coach, you know that
39:33
Speaker 5: runs more of an NFL pro style, Like that's just
39:35
Speaker 5: not gonna fit. They needed more of a what they
39:38
Speaker 5: have now. And Brendan Marion coming in as their offensive coordinator.
39:41
Speaker 5: So and Maryon's a guy that comes you know previously
39:45
Speaker 5: as the head coach at sax State. We know about that.
39:47
Speaker 5: You know that go go Brendon Marion offense that he runs.
39:49
Speaker 5: So I'm more optimistic about this team this year. I mean,
39:52
Speaker 5: do I think they're gonna be you know, ten win
39:54
Speaker 5: team competing for a Big twelve championship. No, But I
39:57
Speaker 5: think they definitely get back to a Bowl game. I
40:00
Speaker 5: think this is the year where Julian Lewis emerges as
40:02
Speaker 5: one of the best quarterbacks in this league because I
40:05
Speaker 5: just think they finally have an offense that makes sense
40:07
Speaker 5: for the players they have, Like they have not a
40:09
Speaker 5: running game at all since has been there. It's been
40:11
Speaker 5: basically abysmal. And I think again with with this go
40:14
Speaker 5: go offense to Brendan Marion, you know they'll have that too.
40:17
Speaker 5: But yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw
40:19
Speaker 5: that video was their number one portal addition is a
40:22
Speaker 5: five to seven hundred and seventy five pound receiver from
40:25
Speaker 5: San Jose State with thirteen hundred receiving barks last year.
40:28
Speaker 5: So like, yeah, some of these guys are not going
40:30
Speaker 5: to be the most impressive guys off the bus for sure. Well.
40:34
Speaker 3: I made some people mad listening here on the Home
40:37
Speaker 3: of the Utes last week because I was like, you know,
40:39
Speaker 3: there's not as obvious of like an eyeball, an eye
40:43
Speaker 3: test passing defensive line room. Right now at the University
40:47
Speaker 3: of Utah, We're accustomed to them having at least like
40:50
Speaker 3: a couple of guys that are six five, six y six,
40:53
Speaker 3: three hundred pounds plus, you know, and the group right
40:57
Speaker 3: now is talented, but they're smaller, and it freaks me out.
41:02
Speaker 3: I'm just like, because we've grown so accustomed to that
41:06
Speaker 3: being a position of strength at the University of Utah,
41:09
Speaker 3: and maybe it still will be, but it's not in
41:13
Speaker 3: a way that you can identify. If you're like sitting
41:17
Speaker 3: next to your grandma and they're like, WHOA, who's number
41:19
Speaker 3: ninety nine? You know, it's not that way right now
41:23
Speaker 3: for Colorado in their entire roster. It seems it's not
41:27
Speaker 3: that way for Utah on the defensive line, which if
41:32
Speaker 3: you're a BUSS fan, I can understand being alarmed, because
41:34
Speaker 3: I am alarmed in some ways for Utah's d line
41:38
Speaker 3: without the size that they usually have.
41:41
Speaker 5: Well, and that's a really interesting point because I mean, yeah,
41:44
Speaker 5: it feels like it doesn't really matter over the years
41:47
Speaker 5: the personnel side who they are. You know, there's always
41:49
Speaker 5: going to be a turning players that are really good.
41:51
Speaker 5: But it feels like with Utah like it's just plug
41:53
Speaker 5: and play and it's just whoever the next guy is
41:56
Speaker 5: is going to become the next guy that's an absolute star.
41:58
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I'm sure there was the
42:04
Speaker 5: current head coach had some you know, was definitely a
42:08
Speaker 5: he had a role in that, but we don't know
42:10
Speaker 5: how much, right, I mean, because so much of what's
42:13
Speaker 5: what was happening behind the scenes at this point is
42:16
Speaker 5: not well known, and so I think there's a lot
42:18
Speaker 5: of like hope and an expectation and look, I mean,
42:21
Speaker 5: you know, they're not just going to turn this, this
42:23
Speaker 5: this important asset of the football program over to somebody
42:26
Speaker 5: that they haven't fully you know, I don't don't have
42:28
Speaker 5: full belief that he's going to be the guy, but
42:30
Speaker 5: I really proves it, like it's a legitimate question and concern,
42:33
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, it helps it. He's a specialist,
42:36
Speaker 5: a guy that has been a defensive mind. He's been
42:38
Speaker 5: around the program for a long time. So I guess
42:41
Speaker 5: it's a long winded way of saying like, yeah, maybe
42:42
Speaker 5: physically this is not the Utah team we're used to,
42:45
Speaker 5: but I still think this is going to be a
42:47
Speaker 5: really good defensive line because there's a credibility that they've
42:49
Speaker 5: built in my eyes with the coaching staff along the
42:52
Speaker 5: defensive line that I don't think leaves with Kyle Whittingham.
42:55
Speaker 3: And I have to I can't believe I haven't asked
42:57
Speaker 3: you this question yet, I'm asking a lot of people
43:00
Speaker 3: in the football world. We're all thrilled and had been
43:03
Speaker 3: talking about the fact that we're all thrilled over the
43:05
Speaker 3: fact that Bird Fickland and Devin Danpier are still on
43:08
Speaker 3: this Utah football roster. And I think it bodes well
43:12
Speaker 3: for Kevin mcgiven, who's going to be a guest on
43:13
Speaker 3: the show here in about fifteen minutes in his first
43:16
Speaker 3: year as the offensive coordinator. But it also begs the question,
43:20
Speaker 3: how do you use these guys? And I'm putting Ari
43:23
Speaker 3: Tempkin in charge of coordinating an offense or at least
43:28
Speaker 3: deciding how reps are split up and how usage happens
43:32
Speaker 3: for and obviously talent, talented Devin Dampier, who is a
43:37
Speaker 3: dual threat and was incredible even while battling pretty significant
43:42
Speaker 3: injuries last year. And then this young guy behind him,
43:45
Speaker 3: who half of the fan base is like, he's better.
43:49
Speaker 3: And a couple of guys that we've had come on
43:51
Speaker 3: the show with NFL credentials say his upside might be higher,
43:55
Speaker 3: maybe he's not as ready as Devin Dampier, But this
43:57
Speaker 3: Bird Fickland kid is like, physically he's Devin Dan Pierre
44:02
Speaker 3: just a bigger version with a better arm maybe, So
44:04
Speaker 3: how do you use these guys because I'm putting Gary
44:07
Speaker 3: temp Good in charge.
44:09
Speaker 5: No, I mean it's a great question, and I think
44:11
Speaker 5: it's probably one of the more underappreciated stories nashally when
44:15
Speaker 5: it comes to looking at Utah. And I mean, I
44:20
Speaker 5: think it starts with the fact that last year he
44:22
Speaker 5: was employed in a way that obviously you know, was
44:25
Speaker 5: hugely helpful and showed you the potential of him. But
44:27
Speaker 5: now he's going to be employed I think in a
44:29
Speaker 5: completely different way under in a completely different offense that's
44:32
Speaker 5: similar to the Beck offense, but I mean will definitely
44:35
Speaker 5: be different and have different wrinkles to it. I mean,
44:37
Speaker 5: it's a different guy, you know. I think, Look, I
44:41
Speaker 5: wonder my first question is will there be a legitimate
44:44
Speaker 5: competition in fall camp or is this just going to
44:46
Speaker 5: be the Dan Pier show. He's the guy with the experience,
44:49
Speaker 5: He's the guy that you know started MC games last
44:51
Speaker 5: year and it's already his Or will there be Should
44:54
Speaker 5: there be a legitimate competition between the two heading into
44:56
Speaker 5: fall camp? And I would say yes, I mean absolutely
45:00
Speaker 5: leave Now you know again you want to get more
45:03
Speaker 5: reps for your guy in fall camp. That's going to
45:05
Speaker 5: be a starter and a new offense. But I'm at
45:07
Speaker 5: the point now where I think I saw enough from
45:09
Speaker 5: Fickland where I'd like to see if he can he
45:12
Speaker 5: can take the job, and you know, ultimately, i'd imagine
45:14
Speaker 5: damp here to win the job and then it's like
45:16
Speaker 5: working him in I think in different spots and.
45:25
Speaker 3: I have not I have not heard that sound on
45:29
Speaker 3: a phone call in so many years. I didn't even
45:34
Speaker 3: know that phones still made that sound when they dropped.
45:38
Speaker 2: That was crazy.
45:42
Speaker 3: That reminded me of like old you know, corded phones,
45:46
Speaker 3: middle school. Hello, Ari, sorry about the drop call. Continue
45:51
Speaker 3: with your answer.
45:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I was talking and
45:54
Speaker 5: suddenly I was gone. I don't know if I said
45:56
Speaker 5: something that upsets somebody, but you know, ultimately, look, yeah,
46:00
Speaker 5: I would think if they had a legitimate competition in
46:03
Speaker 5: fall camp that Dan Pier would win the job. And
46:05
Speaker 5: I think you're looking at, you know, utilizing mcgibbn's motion
46:09
Speaker 5: heavy multiple formation attack, you know, to with Thickland. I mean,
46:13
Speaker 5: I'd like to see him and somewhere between eight and
46:15
Speaker 5: fifteen plays per game and I think you put them
46:18
Speaker 5: in different spots, you make them the majority of rusher.
46:22
Speaker 5: But you know, let's say out of eight eight to ten,
46:25
Speaker 5: eight to ten plays per game, if he has won
46:27
Speaker 5: throwing attempt per game or one every other game, and
46:30
Speaker 5: those eight to ten plays, now you had another wrinkle
46:32
Speaker 5: of film that they've got to watch for and we
46:34
Speaker 5: really get to see the potential with his arm. But look,
46:37
Speaker 5: I mean, I think in this situation, it's an embarrassment
46:40
Speaker 5: of riches. And you know the fact that you're able
46:42
Speaker 5: to keep him both of these guys quite frankly, and
46:45
Speaker 5: losing both the head coach and offensive coordinators is a
46:47
Speaker 5: huge coup, and you know, it shows that he's really
46:50
Speaker 5: committed to this, this program moving forward. So it's you
46:53
Speaker 5: always have to protect, I guess against guys that have
46:56
Speaker 5: all kinds of talent that are leaving to the portal.
46:58
Speaker 5: And the fact that he did leave after this season,
47:00
Speaker 5: and I think says that you know he's here for
47:01
Speaker 5: the long haul. So I think a big part of
47:03
Speaker 5: this this year is about developing him behind Dan Pierre
47:06
Speaker 5: so that he takes over next year is the unequivocal starter,
47:09
Speaker 5: and then this year it's working him in again between
47:12
Speaker 5: eight and maybe eight and fifteen plays per game and
47:14
Speaker 5: the high end of fifteen. And if he's out there
47:16
Speaker 5: for fifteen plays in a game, you know, and he's
47:18
Speaker 5: attempting two passes, I think that's huge because it's you
47:22
Speaker 5: know again, I mean, we see his speed chimps off
47:24
Speaker 5: the page at you. And when you have that kind
47:26
Speaker 5: of a backfield already with Dan Pier being able to
47:28
Speaker 5: run the ball, and then you bring Fickland back out there,
47:30
Speaker 5: it's too many weapons to account for and far too
47:32
Speaker 5: many rush lands to have to fill. So I think
47:36
Speaker 5: to going back circling to the initial point. This is
47:38
Speaker 5: one of the more intriguing, you know, storylines that probably
47:41
Speaker 5: isn't getting enough attention nationally. When people talk about Utah,
47:44
Speaker 5: he'll talk about Utah, you talk about Devin Dampier. And
47:46
Speaker 5: I don't think enough people watched and saw what Burg
47:49
Speaker 5: Fickland did last year to recognize that this guy's a
47:51
Speaker 5: big time playmaker and they need to get the ball
47:53
Speaker 5: in his hands more.
47:54
Speaker 3: Ten touchdowns in very limited reps. So he's a player,
47:59
Speaker 3: all right. Thing Before I let you go, we have
48:02
Speaker 3: spent the last several months talking mostly college hoops.
48:05
Speaker 2: When you join us on the show.
48:06
Speaker 8: And then the.
48:07
Speaker 3: College hoops transfer portal opened and half of the eligible players.
48:13
Speaker 2: Decided that they were jumping into it.
48:17
Speaker 3: NCAA and college football competition committees they made some rule
48:21
Speaker 3: changes to try and slow this down a little bit
48:24
Speaker 3: on the football front, going from two portals to one.
48:28
Speaker 3: Now they've introduced the ghost transfer penalties. Whether or not
48:31
Speaker 3: they're enforceable to be determined. Is there something that can
48:35
Speaker 3: be done about the system and the madness in college hoops?
48:41
Speaker 5: I mean, it's insane when you think about the portal
48:44
Speaker 5: window has never been shorter, and yet there's still more
48:47
Speaker 5: people in the portal than ever before. The portal window
48:51
Speaker 5: was stripped from like sixty days over a couple of
48:54
Speaker 5: years ago to now it fifteen days fourteen days. So
48:58
Speaker 5: it's crazy that the number of players year over year
49:02
Speaker 5: has dramatically increased despite less time for the portal to
49:06
Speaker 5: be open, which goes to show you that, like, it
49:08
Speaker 5: doesn't really matter how long the portal is open. You
49:10
Speaker 5: know guys are going to find it. If they're going
49:12
Speaker 5: to find it. I think the problem right now is
49:15
Speaker 5: a lot of these guys at the portal are just
49:17
Speaker 5: using it to gauge what their market value is, and
49:20
Speaker 5: you know, because they may have heard through the grapevine
49:24
Speaker 5: about hey, you know there might be some money here
49:26
Speaker 5: if you come here or whatever. I mean, right, like
49:27
Speaker 5: people are in their dms, or they've got in our
49:29
Speaker 5: media areas reaching out or it's tampering, but it's not
49:32
Speaker 5: really tampering because you've got like your three levels removed
49:35
Speaker 5: from it. And so you get a sense of like
49:37
Speaker 5: guys just want to They've heard a lot of noise,
49:39
Speaker 5: so they enter the portal in order to see if
49:40
Speaker 5: there's any of that noise substantiated, and then make go
49:43
Speaker 5: back and say that they're current school. Hey this is
49:46
Speaker 5: what I'm getting. You know, are you able to match that?
49:49
Speaker 5: You know, Look, I go back to the only way
49:51
Speaker 5: to fix this is through some sort of collective bargaining agreement,
49:54
Speaker 5: because it is you do have an egregious situation. I mean,
49:56
Speaker 5: Rob Wright is this perfect example of it, you know,
49:59
Speaker 5: right was Baylor He agreed to a you know, a
50:02
Speaker 5: new deal if you will, and then turned around and
50:05
Speaker 5: basically use that to shop himself to BYU. And I'm
50:07
Speaker 5: not sure of the particulars of what he signed with BYU,
50:10
Speaker 5: but can't imagine it was just a one year agreement,
50:13
Speaker 5: and now he's off in a free agent again. And
50:15
Speaker 5: so I think like without the presence of some sort
50:18
Speaker 5: of collective bargaining agreement, it almost feels like none of
50:21
Speaker 5: these contracts are enforceable. And even if they are, you know,
50:24
Speaker 5: they're they're they're in some cases guys are getting you know,
50:27
Speaker 5: guys are being sued by universities, but they're by the
50:30
Speaker 5: time these things get through the through the legal system,
50:33
Speaker 5: they're already long gone, and so it's pointless. So yeah,
50:36
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, a collective bargain agreement would not
50:39
Speaker 5: be good for the players because they wouldn't be free
50:42
Speaker 5: agents every year. They they'd have to be you know,
50:44
Speaker 5: the the they would have to ascribe to whatever the
50:49
Speaker 5: confines of the contract would be. But it would at
50:51
Speaker 5: least give us some you know, some semblance of of
50:55
Speaker 5: of normalcy in a situation which everybody's a free agent
50:58
Speaker 5: every year, regardless of how many years you've agreed to.
51:01
Speaker 5: I mean, there was talk even in football that Soresby
51:03
Speaker 5: signed a two year deal before last year with Cincinnati,
51:06
Speaker 5: and that Cincinnati was suing him because he agreed to
51:08
Speaker 5: a two year deal. They've paid him for one year,
51:10
Speaker 5: and his agents are basically saying like, yeah, you paid
51:12
Speaker 5: him for the one year. That was it. Now we're off.
51:13
Speaker 5: So again there's like absolutely no recourse for these schools
51:16
Speaker 5: unless they sue them. But even then, again they're leaving
51:19
Speaker 5: and by the time it goes to the legal system,
51:20
Speaker 5: they're already long gone and onto the NFL or somewhere else.
51:23
Speaker 5: So it is, it's clearly to me the biggest issue
51:26
Speaker 5: in all of this, and there's no Act of Congress
51:29
Speaker 5: or no executive order that's going to undo what needs
51:32
Speaker 5: to be done through some sort of a collective bargain agreement.
51:35
Speaker 5: It's the only fix to all these problems that exist
51:37
Speaker 5: right now with an NI on the transit portal, Ari.
51:41
Speaker 3: I always appreciate your time and your insight. Thanks for
51:43
Speaker 3: joining me again today.
51:46
Speaker 5: I appreciate the opportunity of see a great talking brother.
51:48
Speaker 5: Be well and take care. We'll talk to him soon, that.
51:50
Speaker 3: Is Ari Timkin. We will talk again soon, but it's
51:52
Speaker 3: not going to be that soon. We're going to give
51:54
Speaker 3: him kind of the rest of the spring and summer off,
51:56
Speaker 3: and then we'll talk with Ari down at Big twelve
51:59
Speaker 3: Media Days and relaunch from there because you know college
52:06
Speaker 3: sports hoops in football, where he has his deepest level
52:09
Speaker 3: of expertise. They're they're kind of in the books already.
52:13
Speaker 3: All right, James, how do we want to manage this?
52:15
Speaker 3: Should we double up?
52:16
Speaker 2: And then? Okay?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 3: Welcome in New Utah offensive coordinator Kevin mcgiven.
55:57
Speaker 2: Coach, Welcome to the show for the first time. How
55:59
Speaker 2: are you, sir?
56:01
Speaker 6: Thank you. I'm doing good, doing good, Just getting ready
56:03
Speaker 6: for another practice here coming up tomorrow. So things going well.
56:07
Speaker 3: When is the last time you talked with Ian Pizarro
56:10
Speaker 3: who was our who was our quarterback at Weber State,
56:14
Speaker 3: my loan year on the roster up there while you
56:16
Speaker 3: were calling things?
56:18
Speaker 6: Oh geez, it's been a it's been a minute since
56:20
Speaker 6: I been ran into to Ian the great dude. I
56:25
Speaker 6: had a lot of fun coaching. We'll probably need to
56:26
Speaker 6: reconnect here at some point.
56:28
Speaker 2: I haven't.
56:28
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to him in years either. I was
56:30
Speaker 3: just wondering if you stayed in touch.
56:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I ran into a few years back somewhere.
56:35
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's been a little while.
56:38
Speaker 2: All right to the Utah football questions.
56:40
Speaker 3: So you show up and it's right into the business
56:44
Speaker 3: here in the spring with a roster that is in
56:49
Speaker 3: a lot of ways turning over new offensive line because
56:53
Speaker 3: you lost a bunch of talented starters from last season.
56:55
Speaker 3: You bring in a bunch of talent in the wide
56:57
Speaker 3: receiver room, your top tight end are gone, hopefully off
57:01
Speaker 3: to the NFL, and you've got to integrate some people there.
57:05
Speaker 2: How are they gelling so far?
57:07
Speaker 3: From your perspective, from your vantage as a guy who's
57:10
Speaker 3: got to get the most out of this offense.
57:12
Speaker 2: How quickly is it coming together? Coach?
57:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we've made a lot of a lot
57:17
Speaker 6: of progress this spring. There's been a there's been a
57:20
Speaker 6: lot of focus on on culture, a lot of just
57:23
Speaker 6: how we're playing, you know, the effort we're giving, you know,
57:28
Speaker 6: Coach Galley, you know culturally, culturally it's the R S
57:33
Speaker 6: n B. But you know, are we playing playing with
57:35
Speaker 6: relentless effort, with relentless preparations?
57:38
Speaker 5: You know?
57:39
Speaker 6: Are we playing smart football? Are we being nasty when appropriate?
57:43
Speaker 6: You know, there's that's been a big focal point in
57:46
Speaker 6: just you know, showing culture eclips of that stuff showing
57:50
Speaker 6: up on a day to day basis. Are we living it?
57:53
Speaker 5: You know?
57:54
Speaker 6: And then outside of that, just like you mentioned, a
57:57
Speaker 6: new roster with you know a lot of personnel identification
58:01
Speaker 6: in terms of who we can use packages that we
58:04
Speaker 6: can put together, putting people in the appropriate places, and
58:07
Speaker 6: so there's been a lot of that stuff going on.
58:10
Speaker 6: You know, I would say progress being made, you know that,
58:13
Speaker 6: I think a little ways to go still in the
58:16
Speaker 6: in the total chemistry that we would want.
58:20
Speaker 3: There's an old adage, and admittedly it's probably a stupid one.
58:23
Speaker 3: If you've got two quarterbacks, that means you don't have one.
58:26
Speaker 3: And I think that Utah this season stands in defiance
58:31
Speaker 3: of that ever being true. Devin Dampier incredibly talented, very
58:37
Speaker 3: capable as a big time starter. What we have seen
58:41
Speaker 3: of bird Fickland suggests that he is exactly the same
58:45
Speaker 3: and as a bunch of arm talent, beautiful instincts when
58:49
Speaker 3: he's got the ball in his hand in the run game.
58:52
Speaker 2: Coach, how do you use both guys?
58:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, that, just like you mentioned, that's a really interesting scenario.
59:00
Speaker 6: It's a it's a good problem to have, you know,
59:04
Speaker 6: you know, getting getting one of them to stay, let
59:06
Speaker 6: let alone both and and then trying to formulate a
59:10
Speaker 6: plan in terms of what that looks like and making
59:12
Speaker 6: sure that they both have an opportunity to impact you.
59:16
Speaker 6: You know, Devin has really displayed, you know, really really
59:20
Speaker 6: early on and just getting better and better with his
59:22
Speaker 6: command of the of the system overall. You know, I
59:26
Speaker 6: would probably say, you know, we're bringing back to your
59:28
Speaker 6: previous question in terms of the opportunity he's had to
59:32
Speaker 6: develop the chemistry continuity with some of the pieces around him,
59:36
Speaker 6: maybe a little bit more than in Burdabus point, just
59:40
Speaker 6: in terms of the rep a lot, you know. But
59:43
Speaker 6: but then kind of in that personal identification role, you know,
59:48
Speaker 6: all the things that he is capable of doing, not
59:50
Speaker 6: just from the quarterback position, you know, but you know,
59:54
Speaker 6: being able to do some different spots on the field.
59:57
Speaker 6: And and then what did that looks like in terms
59:59
Speaker 6: of them want to field together or you know, on
1:00:03
Speaker 6: a on a little bit of a rotational basis, So
1:00:06
Speaker 6: very very similar in terms of their skill sets. It's
1:00:09
Speaker 6: not really like you have to package different differently for
1:00:13
Speaker 6: them as quarterbacks, you know, outside at this point, just
1:00:18
Speaker 6: you know, what is their overall command with with certain
1:00:21
Speaker 6: concepts and certain certain things that you're doing that would
1:00:23
Speaker 6: maybe dictate the menu.
1:00:27
Speaker 2: How often will we see both guys on the field
1:00:29
Speaker 2: at once.
1:00:29
Speaker 3: It's a it's a dynamic that almost no team can
1:00:32
Speaker 3: do and have it like anything be other than a decoy, right,
1:00:35
Speaker 3: But both of these guys are athletic enough that you
1:00:39
Speaker 3: know you could run some two quarterback things. You don't
1:00:43
Speaker 3: want to get too crazy, too fancy, too weird.
1:00:46
Speaker 2: Will we see it.
1:00:50
Speaker 6: We'll just say it could possibly get it can possibly
1:00:53
Speaker 6: get a little.
1:00:53
Speaker 5: Bit weird, all right.
1:00:55
Speaker 1: I like that.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: Kevin mcgiven, you defensive coordinator, is our guest here on
1:00:59
Speaker 3: the Sean O'Connell Show.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: He's not afraid of making it a little bit weird.
1:01:03
Speaker 3: So you've probably known this, having you know, been Utah
1:01:06
Speaker 3: football adjacent for a while and having to prepare against
1:01:10
Speaker 3: teams like this or beyond staffs that we're paying against
1:01:13
Speaker 3: teams like Utah. There's been a there's been a time,
1:01:16
Speaker 3: well there's been a lot a couple of decades now
1:01:19
Speaker 3: that we've been every single year asking man, what about
1:01:23
Speaker 3: the wide receiver room at Utah? Do they have something
1:01:25
Speaker 3: special this year? And weirdly, even though we don't know
1:01:28
Speaker 3: these guys as well, they haven't produced necessarily in a
1:01:32
Speaker 3: Utah football uniform, the sentiment out there among the fan
1:01:36
Speaker 3: base and even folks in the media is that this
1:01:39
Speaker 3: might be the deepest and perhaps best wide receiver room
1:01:43
Speaker 3: that Utah football has had in a long while. Are
1:01:47
Speaker 3: you seeing that at practice? Is that what this group
1:01:49
Speaker 3: is potentially capable of?
1:01:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there is definitely the there's definitely the
1:01:56
Speaker 6: playmaking ability out there, and I think that we're establishing death.
1:02:01
Speaker 6: I'm seeing probably six guys out there that you can
1:02:05
Speaker 6: rotate through, and all of them, you know, definitely, you know,
1:02:09
Speaker 6: trustworthy to you know, not only be in the right
1:02:12
Speaker 6: spots at the right times, but where it's like pick
1:02:15
Speaker 6: and shoes, where you want to go, where you want
1:02:17
Speaker 6: the ball to go to. And so maybe you would
1:02:20
Speaker 6: try to isolate certain guys in certain situations. But at
1:02:23
Speaker 6: this point with what I'm seeing those guys capable of,
1:02:26
Speaker 6: it's like you just call it and you let deb
1:02:28
Speaker 6: make the decisions and distribute the ball wherever it needs
1:02:32
Speaker 6: to go, and you're gonna have somewhere and someone in
1:02:34
Speaker 6: a spot somewhere that can make a play for you,
1:02:37
Speaker 6: you know. And so the way that that's coming together,
1:02:41
Speaker 6: like I said, maybe need more time, investment and more
1:02:45
Speaker 6: volume of repetition in terms of getting the overall chemistry
1:02:47
Speaker 6: and dev really learning those guys so it can be
1:02:51
Speaker 6: as effective as we need it to be. And want
1:02:52
Speaker 6: it to be. But I really like how that's taking
1:02:56
Speaker 6: shape and being able to utilize those guys in some
1:02:59
Speaker 6: different ways. You know, I think there's a there's been
1:03:03
Speaker 6: that cultural element to the Utah football and the stigma
1:03:07
Speaker 6: of what they've been and you know, we don't it
1:03:10
Speaker 6: doesn't have to be a departure from that to get
1:03:12
Speaker 6: those to get these wide receivers involved.
1:03:14
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to hear you say that, because having
1:03:17
Speaker 3: a good run game in a good pass game are
1:03:19
Speaker 3: not mutually exclusive, and we sometimes treat them like they are.
1:03:24
Speaker 3: I think because we're U tell football fans it's just like, well,
1:03:27
Speaker 3: you know what, you're going to be great in the run,
1:03:29
Speaker 3: so that means you've got to give up something in
1:03:31
Speaker 3: the past game where championship caliber teams can do both
1:03:34
Speaker 3: pretty well. So in the ideal Kevin mcgiven world, what
1:03:38
Speaker 3: does run pass production, how that how that's divided up
1:03:43
Speaker 3: look like? I mean, would you rather be sixty forty
1:03:46
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty fifty five forty five? Again, in a
1:03:49
Speaker 3: perfect world, we know that you can take what the
1:03:51
Speaker 3: defense gives you, But if you had to make a formula,
1:03:54
Speaker 3: what would it look like?
1:03:56
Speaker 6: Yeah? And like you said that, you know, that'll that'll
1:03:58
Speaker 6: always dictate a lot of it. But I think more
1:04:01
Speaker 6: appropriately is that I want to be able to control
1:04:06
Speaker 6: and dominate a game, take over a game with the
1:04:09
Speaker 6: run game. I want to be able to have the
1:04:10
Speaker 6: ability to do that. But I kind of really view
1:04:13
Speaker 6: balance more as your ability to attack the a gap
1:04:17
Speaker 6: to the sideline and the line of scrimmage to the
1:04:19
Speaker 6: end line, like you know, and that involves run game.
1:04:23
Speaker 6: That involves throw game on the perimeter, That involves your
1:04:25
Speaker 6: quick your intermediates, your vertical shots, you know, and so
1:04:29
Speaker 6: as long as the ball is being distributed correctly and
1:04:31
Speaker 6: we're taking advantage of what defense has given you with
1:04:34
Speaker 6: light boxes or potential RPOs playing options football, you know,
1:04:38
Speaker 6: then that's what I would view more as balance, as
1:04:40
Speaker 6: opposed to run pass ratio. Is the ability to attack
1:04:43
Speaker 6: any point on the field at any time.
1:04:46
Speaker 2: Do you like a bell cow back or do you
1:04:48
Speaker 2: think we could see something by committee?
1:04:51
Speaker 6: You know, I think there's I think way Sean Parker
1:04:54
Speaker 6: has established himself as the bell cow back that you know,
1:04:58
Speaker 6: he's he's a three to on back and he has
1:05:01
Speaker 6: the skill set that I like to see at the
1:05:03
Speaker 6: position in terms of his versatility doing some different things
1:05:07
Speaker 6: out of the backfield.
1:05:08
Speaker 1: You know.
1:05:08
Speaker 6: But really Daniel Bray has had a really strong spring
1:05:13
Speaker 6: ball and you know, he's starting to put on some weight,
1:05:16
Speaker 6: you know, starting to do some things where he's running
1:05:19
Speaker 6: between the tackles. But it gives you, you know a
1:05:22
Speaker 6: little bit more of that scat guy, that dynamic element
1:05:25
Speaker 6: in terms of getting him involved in two different ways,
1:05:28
Speaker 6: and you know, makes it fun in terms of what
1:05:31
Speaker 6: we can do with the with the personnel groupings, with
1:05:34
Speaker 6: those guys on the field, both on the field.
1:05:36
Speaker 3: The lowest hanging fruit when people ask about, hey, what's
1:05:39
Speaker 3: this Utel football going to be, and they're like, what
1:05:41
Speaker 3: are the questions? The lowest hanging fruit is, well, what
1:05:43
Speaker 3: does the offensive line look like? You lose two guys
1:05:46
Speaker 3: that might be first round draft picks. The three that
1:05:49
Speaker 3: played in between them, I think should at least get
1:05:52
Speaker 3: their cup of coffee in the NFL as well. And
1:05:54
Speaker 3: it's hard to replace a line with that level of size, experience, talent.
1:05:59
Speaker 3: If he had to start a group of five tomorrow,
1:06:04
Speaker 3: do you have a good idea of who those five
1:06:06
Speaker 3: would be?
1:06:08
Speaker 6: You know, I I think at this point, I think
1:06:11
Speaker 6: there's three guys that have really solidified themselves, you know,
1:06:14
Speaker 6: a couple a couple of positions where there's there's still
1:06:17
Speaker 6: some competition going on, but probably far and away the
1:06:21
Speaker 6: most improved group from the start of spring until now.
1:06:26
Speaker 6: You know, what what I may have considered was going
1:06:30
Speaker 6: to be a weakness going in, I'm starting to really
1:06:34
Speaker 6: lean on being one of our strengths. You know, the
1:06:36
Speaker 6: things that they've been able to handle from our defense,
1:06:38
Speaker 6: the progress that they've made from a fundamental and texical standpoint,
1:06:41
Speaker 6: their ability to apply, you know, scheme to scheme has
1:06:45
Speaker 6: been really really impressive, you know. And so but you know,
1:06:50
Speaker 6: the what Zarawa Williams has given us at the left
1:06:53
Speaker 6: tackle position. He he is a bona fide guy there
1:06:58
Speaker 6: and is is doing awesome. We've we've really been able
1:07:02
Speaker 6: to solidify Alex Harrison at the center spot. He's done
1:07:05
Speaker 6: a great job just with identification, directing, traffic and his
1:07:08
Speaker 6: leadership up there. Keith Olton has been an anchor at
1:07:13
Speaker 6: the right guard spot. You know, he's working on some
1:07:15
Speaker 6: things some fundamentally, but has been really stout on the
1:07:21
Speaker 6: inside and been really strong there.
1:07:23
Speaker 5: And and then we're getting some.
1:07:25
Speaker 6: Some good competition at right tackle with Cedric Jefferson and
1:07:28
Speaker 6: Night Garcia, you know, and then with uh, you know
1:07:32
Speaker 6: at the at the guard spots with with Tolma and
1:07:36
Speaker 6: and and Kelvin Obot is a freshman that is like
1:07:40
Speaker 6: kind of in there and swimming a little bit at times,
1:07:43
Speaker 6: but holy cow, is he athletic and he's gonna he's
1:07:47
Speaker 6: gonna carve out his role and and and be a
1:07:51
Speaker 6: big time tutuer guy for us.
1:07:53
Speaker 3: I uh, I always am cautious with freshman offensive lineman,
1:07:58
Speaker 3: especially guys are supposed still be in high school. But
1:08:01
Speaker 3: then he walked by the other day after practice, and
1:08:04
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe I should adjust my expectations.
1:08:08
Speaker 9: Yeah.
1:08:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, you watch a couple of clips of that guy,
1:08:10
Speaker 6: and you're like, Okay, let's rethink this a little bit.
1:08:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, how is How is it having Jordan Gross and
1:08:18
Speaker 3: Alex Kirky working together on that group on that offensive line.
1:08:21
Speaker 3: Gross he's never been a college coach before, and I
1:08:24
Speaker 3: don't know how it differs from being a high school coach.
1:08:27
Speaker 3: You could tell me a lot more about that, but
1:08:30
Speaker 3: you know, it's a demanding job. It's a different job,
1:08:32
Speaker 3: I'm sure at the college level. And then you got
1:08:35
Speaker 3: a guy in Girk who's like, he's probably a little
1:08:38
Speaker 3: different now, but when I knew him was as insane
1:08:41
Speaker 3: an old school as an as abrasive as a coach
1:08:44
Speaker 3: can be.
1:08:45
Speaker 2: Now they're working together.
1:08:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's been an awesome pairing and awesome for
1:08:51
Speaker 6: our offensive staff and those and I think appropriate for
1:08:55
Speaker 6: the for the group that we're working with with. With
1:08:58
Speaker 6: the young talent, we've gotten to keep the shirt on
1:09:01
Speaker 6: during practice. That's been a huge, a huge plus. But no,
1:09:07
Speaker 6: you know where where I maybe thought that some of
1:09:10
Speaker 6: Jordan's deficiencies coming in just may have been in the
1:09:13
Speaker 6: in the schematic element, and it's you know how you know,
1:09:16
Speaker 6: just helping him grow there with uh, with what we
1:09:20
Speaker 6: wanted to do in our system. But knew that he
1:09:24
Speaker 6: was going to be a technician that showed up early
1:09:26
Speaker 6: on doing it at a very high level against some
1:09:30
Speaker 6: of the best athletes in the world, and you know,
1:09:33
Speaker 6: and so so getting those guys to a technical standpoint,
1:09:36
Speaker 6: I think where Gurky has aided him is, you know,
1:09:40
Speaker 6: really Turkey does a great job in terms of establishing
1:09:44
Speaker 6: a culture of toughness and keeping things very simple for
1:09:47
Speaker 6: those guys, and and so you know, you get young
1:09:50
Speaker 6: guys in there with have a lot of experience, and
1:09:52
Speaker 6: there can be a lot going on there. They can
1:09:54
Speaker 6: be swimming, but you know, done a great job keeping
1:09:56
Speaker 6: it simple, done a great job developing their technique. And
1:09:59
Speaker 6: then the scheme understanding is you know, you know, taking
1:10:06
Speaker 6: huge steps during during the spring and so you know
1:10:09
Speaker 6: that combination of those guys has been really impressive to watch.
1:10:13
Speaker 3: All right, right before I let you go, we had
1:10:16
Speaker 3: Bryson Barnes on the station last week and he called
1:10:19
Speaker 3: you mac g. He called you mac g, He called
1:10:22
Speaker 3: your Maverick. He didn't ever say coach mcgiven. What did
1:10:25
Speaker 3: the guys call you up there on the hill right now?
1:10:28
Speaker 6: So so I think mac g is stuck.
1:10:31
Speaker 8: You know.
1:10:32
Speaker 6: They he used to call me Maverick because I was
1:10:34
Speaker 6: always showing like top gun clips for motivation and so
1:10:37
Speaker 6: you know, it was like a combination between Jane mac
1:10:40
Speaker 6: g and Maverick and mav G and you know, but
1:10:45
Speaker 6: so I think mac g is stuck. But I don't
1:10:47
Speaker 6: remember what my first name is.
1:10:51
Speaker 3: That's fair, coach, appreciate your time, good luck with the
1:10:55
Speaker 3: rest of spring camp and obviously an off season program.
1:10:58
Speaker 3: Very much looking forward to what this offense becomes under
1:11:01
Speaker 3: your tutelage.
1:11:02
Speaker 6: Thank you for your time today, Absolutely, thank you.
1:11:07
Speaker 3: That is your new Utah offensive coordinator, Kevin mcgiven. I
1:11:11
Speaker 3: could have picked his brain for another twenty five minutes
1:11:13
Speaker 3: on exactly how he plans to use individual players and stuff.
1:11:17
Speaker 3: But sometimes I get a little abusive with the coach's time.
1:11:22
Speaker 3: We had we had the head coach on last week
1:11:25
Speaker 3: and I quized him for half an hour. That's faux paul.
1:11:29
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to do that. That's me, that's me
1:11:31
Speaker 3: taking liberty. So we had to turn Kevin mcgimbon loose
1:11:35
Speaker 3: because he's got a lot on his plate. But look,
1:11:38
Speaker 3: the offensive line being at least partially established here, That
1:11:44
Speaker 3: to me is the biggest takeaway. That is really, really,
1:11:47
Speaker 3: really good news. From my perspective, I thought Zaraway Williams
1:11:52
Speaker 3: would be a guy, would be the guy. Zaroway is enormous.
1:11:59
Speaker 3: He has listed on the roster is six eight, three
1:12:01
Speaker 3: hundred and five pounds. We have some sound from him.
1:12:04
Speaker 3: He's a really enthusiastic guy. We have some sound from
1:12:08
Speaker 3: him at ESPN seven hundred sports dot com and actually
1:12:10
Speaker 3: we're gonna have that for you during the show sometime
1:12:14
Speaker 3: this week because I'm gonna be out, and so we're
1:12:17
Speaker 3: gonna compile all of the player comments from springball and
1:12:21
Speaker 3: we're gonna play those for you. But Zaraway is available
1:12:25
Speaker 3: on the ESPN seven hundred app or on ESPN seven
1:12:27
Speaker 3: hundred sports dot com. So sounds like he's pretty well
1:12:31
Speaker 3: established now at the left tackle spot.
1:12:34
Speaker 2: Good news, all right. Keith Olsen.
1:12:39
Speaker 3: Was talked about as another person who is pretty firm
1:12:42
Speaker 3: in their positioning right now. That again, is somebody you've
1:12:48
Speaker 3: seen taking backup wraps for the last couple of years,
1:12:52
Speaker 3: and that's a good thing. I was happy to hear
1:12:54
Speaker 3: Ike Garcia's name. Remember when Isaac Garcia, who's a redshirt
1:12:58
Speaker 3: sophomore now, when he committed from Corner Canyon High School,
1:13:03
Speaker 3: he was a massive, massive get for Jim Harding at
1:13:06
Speaker 3: the time and this Utah offense, and it's taken him
1:13:09
Speaker 3: a little bit of time to grow into it. You
1:13:12
Speaker 3: can't judge guys and pretend that their progress is slow
1:13:16
Speaker 3: when you consider being a tackle playing behind a Spencer
1:13:21
Speaker 3: Fano or behind a Caleb Lomu, like you're right on
1:13:26
Speaker 3: pace and even if you were supposed to be finding
1:13:31
Speaker 3: your best five and grabbing a tackle and making him
1:13:34
Speaker 3: a guard again, the guards that he was playing behind
1:13:40
Speaker 3: might get their shot in the NFL. I mean, I
1:13:43
Speaker 3: know a togy guy is going to get at least
1:13:45
Speaker 3: a shot. I think Mokafisi will as well. So I
1:13:49
Speaker 3: know I've said this a couple of times. I want
1:13:52
Speaker 3: to reiterate. If you go watch the backup reps for
1:13:57
Speaker 3: the Utah offensive line, mostly taken in games where the
1:14:02
Speaker 3: outcome was no longer in doubt, but these guys played
1:14:06
Speaker 3: well as a unit. The backups did.
1:14:09
Speaker 6: So.
1:14:09
Speaker 3: Zaraway Williams has some time, Alderman and Keith Olsen have
1:14:15
Speaker 3: some time together.
1:14:17
Speaker 2: They played.
1:14:17
Speaker 3: And then you bring in Cedric Jefferson from Montana State,
1:14:21
Speaker 3: who's a big body guy with some real athleticism. And
1:14:24
Speaker 3: he also of course mentioned Kelvin Obot, who it sounds
1:14:27
Speaker 3: like they're not even asking him to be a tackle
1:14:30
Speaker 3: right now. In the scheme, that can be a really,
1:14:33
Speaker 3: really demanding position. You're left out on an island quite
1:14:37
Speaker 3: a bit because Kevin McGibbon doesn't waste a lot of
1:14:42
Speaker 3: bodies chipping defensive ends. He's spreading teams out, he's throwing
1:14:50
Speaker 3: motions and bunch formations all over the place. He is
1:14:54
Speaker 3: not using tight ends and running backs to help young tackles.
1:15:00
Speaker 2: He really really has to. So how do you fix that.
1:15:04
Speaker 3: You look at somebody like Kelvin Obot and you say,
1:15:07
Speaker 3: this is a freshman who maybe isn't mentally ready to
1:15:12
Speaker 3: take on being a starting left tackle just yet. But
1:15:15
Speaker 3: I want to use his abilities. I want to use
1:15:18
Speaker 3: his physical dominance on the field. You simplify things a
1:15:22
Speaker 3: little bit and make him a guard. And by the way,
1:15:27
Speaker 3: that dude pulling when you're running certain run packages or
1:15:33
Speaker 3: even out into screen situations, that dude on the run
1:15:36
Speaker 3: is going to be the bane of many defensive back
1:15:40
Speaker 3: in linebacker existence. So happy to hear that the offensive
1:15:44
Speaker 3: line is taking shape, Happy to hear that m. Kevin
1:15:47
Speaker 3: McGibbon at least has three kind of like stalwarts that
1:15:51
Speaker 3: he can build around.
1:15:53
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Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy.
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Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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Speaker 1: the day, My list today, here's oc with basketball sod
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Speaker 1: on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show on a Monday.
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Speaker 3: We're lucky enough to pack it all in here on
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Speaker 3: a Monday because it's a short week for me.
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Speaker 2: I'm out for a Thursday night fight night in Belfast.
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Speaker 3: Gordy Chiasa kind enough to adjust his schedule to accommodate mine.
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Speaker 3: Can't tell you how grateful I am for James doing that,
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Speaker 3: for Gordy doing that for everyone here at ESPN seven
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Speaker 3: hundred doing that.
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Speaker 2: Gordy Chiasa, our NBA inside are welcome on a Monday.
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Speaker 8: How are you, sir.
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Speaker 9: I'm doing fine, Sean, thank you.
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Speaker 3: All right, So the NBA weekend got I think a
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Speaker 3: little bit more interesting. You've as the regular season comes
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Speaker 3: to an end, You've got some job openings.
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Speaker 2: We'll start there.
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Speaker 3: Doc Rivers separated from his duties, as a lot of
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Speaker 3: people expected, and it's a two part question. What does
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Speaker 3: it mean for Doc's future and what does it mean
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Speaker 3: for the future of a franchise that has even bigger
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Speaker 3: fish to fry potentially well.
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Speaker 9: First name, Doc is at eight sixty five, so on
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Speaker 9: his contract is one more year left. He was there
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Speaker 9: for three years and basically because Giannis is ups and
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Speaker 9: downs and injuries and just the pieces don't fit. They
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Speaker 9: struggle for the last three years, and so Docs moves on.
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Speaker 9: He might be in a consultant role, a sort of franchise.
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Speaker 9: It's all based on Johannis what he does this summer,
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Speaker 9: and I'm sure the Bucks are going to do it's
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Speaker 9: best for them. So Doc probably would retire and he
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Speaker 9: did a great job. He's heading to the Hall of Fame,
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Speaker 9: and kudos to his.
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Speaker 2: Career to be fired in the same month that you
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Speaker 2: head to the Hall of Fame. Uh you got it,
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Speaker 2: you got it.
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Speaker 3: There's got to be some sort of like mixed messages,
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Speaker 3: some mixed emotions and something like that, because nobody, nobody
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Speaker 3: likes being fired, even if you know it's all gonna
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Speaker 3: be okay, because it is all going to be okay,
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Speaker 3: especially if you're someone like Doc Rivers, even if you're
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Speaker 3: getting a buyout, right, nobody likes being fired. But then
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Speaker 3: you know, this thing probably comes off when even though
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Speaker 3: the franchise told you, hey, we're done with you, the
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Speaker 3: NBA itself, the Pro Basketball Hall of.
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Speaker 2: Fame is like, uh, you're one of the best to
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Speaker 2: ever do this. So like, what do you what do
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Speaker 2: you think those mixed emotions are?
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Speaker 6: Like for Doc, they're very.
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Speaker 9: High to mix emotions. But it's really a long term
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Speaker 9: career both as a player and as a coach, and
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Speaker 9: his record is tremendous. He's a player's coach at a
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Speaker 9: compliment where he's very good with the players as far
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Speaker 9: as communication skills. But again, the Bucks were dysfunctional and
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Speaker 9: they will remember now they fired Agent Griffin showing his
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Speaker 9: record was thirty and thirteen, which comes to sixty eight winning,
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Speaker 9: and he let him go. And this just shows you
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Speaker 9: that that so much is dominated by one or two
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Speaker 9: players in that locker room and it was absolutely mixed results.
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Speaker 9: Now getting back being fired, it's interesting that room is
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Speaker 9: now and it makes sense is that the Bucks leading
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Speaker 9: candidate to take the job would be Tayler Jenkins, who
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Speaker 9: got fired the last week of the season in a
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Speaker 9: twenty four to twenty five campaign with it with a
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Speaker 9: tremendous record at the Grizzlies and he moved them on
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Speaker 9: and now it's rumored that he'll be the head coach
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Speaker 9: of the next of the Bucks.
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Speaker 2: Do you like that fit?
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, He's a tremendous coach Taylor Jenkins. Again, he's a
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Speaker 9: good communicator, good strategist, and it's a new voice in
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Speaker 9: the locker room with the Bucks feed like many teams
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Speaker 9: do need when you're not winning or underperforming, and not
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Speaker 9: like one year as an outlier, I mean, let me
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Speaker 9: say two or three years in a row. You need
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Speaker 9: a new person in the locker room to create more
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Speaker 9: discipline and that's both on and off the court, and
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Speaker 9: also have a vision and the accountability of a playing
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Speaker 9: model of this is what we need to do to
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Speaker 9: be successful with our group, and that's teller Jenkins did
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Speaker 9: a good job at Memphis.
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Speaker 3: How much will let's say that Jenkins is the guy,
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Speaker 3: how much will that affect whether or not somebody like
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Speaker 3: Giannis wants to come back and remain with the Bucks
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Speaker 3: or is that already a done deal.
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Speaker 9: That's already a done deal him moving on? That they need.
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Speaker 9: They need a change both Gianness as a player and
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Speaker 9: also as a franchise very much so that I was
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Speaker 9: surprised they didn't try to do it last summer or
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Speaker 9: at the trading deadline, but this this summer they will
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Speaker 9: do it either before the draft or after the draft,
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Speaker 9: that they will move them on. And the problem with
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Speaker 9: the Bucks point of view, they're not going to get
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Speaker 9: true value for him, knowing that the people that might
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Speaker 9: take him won't give everything that that the Bucks are
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Speaker 9: going to be seeking, which are definitely players in multiple
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Speaker 9: first round draft picks. You know, Rudy Gobert with it
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Speaker 9: with the catchword where when he traded him to the
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Speaker 9: two Wolves, they got those four first round picks, and
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Speaker 9: that was an amazing thing as far as a whole.
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Speaker 9: And it's almost like that's the benchmark of getting minimum
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Speaker 9: at least two or three that's at the minimum when
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Speaker 9: you trade a star player in his prime, how.
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Speaker 3: Close to Jannis's prime is? He's still and like he's
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Speaker 3: not old. He's played a lot of basketball, he's won
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Speaker 3: a championship, he's been an MVP multiple times, and you
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Speaker 3: know a lot of athlete aging is not years but miles.
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Speaker 3: So the next place for Giannis are they getting one
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Speaker 3: of his best? Are they getting a ninety percent version
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Speaker 3: of the best we've seen of Giannis?
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Speaker 2: How would you quantify that?
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Speaker 9: Eight right right now? He's every thirty two years young
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Speaker 9: on the December sixteenth. This is this is this thirteenth
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Speaker 9: season in the NBA, and that's a lot of heavy lifting.
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Speaker 9: And he's acrobatic, which means why you will create up
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Speaker 9: in the airplace which means you crash down to the
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Speaker 9: floor and so usually speaking, when you're a high kangaroo jumper,
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Speaker 9: when you do fall to the ground, it eventually affects you,
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Speaker 9: not at that moment, but long term on your lower
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Speaker 9: part of your body. So he's still absolutely all star player,
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Speaker 9: but he's coming, not to the end, but it's it's
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Speaker 9: in the horizon as far as him, he could be
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Speaker 9: an elite player because because again he has talent, but
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Speaker 9: the next will say three years, and then then it
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Speaker 9: might be a slight drop. There's always an exception to that.
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Speaker 9: But Yannis and also Yannis, his whole game is based
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Speaker 9: on getting to the top of the basket. And he's
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Speaker 9: still all these years, he still jump shot. It's still suspect.
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Speaker 9: So whoever it takes and has to know that on
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Speaker 9: their team that they have to have around him other
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Speaker 9: perimeterive shooters to counter punch what he does roll as
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Speaker 9: drive to the basket, and he does what he does
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Speaker 9: less is being a shaky, primitive shooter.
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Speaker 3: Gordy James is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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Speaker 3: scho talking big picture in the NBA right now. If
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Speaker 3: if you take a look at the most likely bracket
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Speaker 3: and the play in teams, are any of the play
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Speaker 3: in teams in your mind capable of winning a for
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Speaker 3: them second round series?
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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, that would be because of their experience. That
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Speaker 9: would be the Clippers. The Clippers could surprise people if
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Speaker 9: they get past the Warriors, which they should, and then
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Speaker 9: they would play. They would probably play the Thunder. But
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Speaker 9: when I say play, I mean as far as knock
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Speaker 9: somebody off. I think they would give them a good series,
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Speaker 9: though I think they're still lose more like four games
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Speaker 9: to two. So everyone else though probably it will be
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Speaker 9: not competitive. I remember now, as you said right now,
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Speaker 9: that Seawan back in the twenty three season, the only
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Speaker 9: team ever to be to reach the NBA Finals after
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Speaker 9: competing in a playing tournament was the Mammi Heat. So
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Speaker 9: think about the Heat. There were the eight seed, they
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Speaker 9: won the play in tournament, they beat the Bucks ironically
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Speaker 9: right on point with Giannis, and then they beat the
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Speaker 9: Knicks in the semi finals. Then he beat the Celtics
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Speaker 9: four games to three, and they lost in the finals
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Speaker 9: four games to one to the Nuggets. So if all
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Speaker 9: they do says that say it doesn't mean anything to
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Speaker 9: play in tournament for the players, it does, but it
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Speaker 9: gives a team a ray of hope that because of
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Speaker 9: injuries during this season and other circumstances, they almost get
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Speaker 9: a do over to try to show everybody that we
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Speaker 9: can still be a very highly competitive team by knocking
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Speaker 9: off somebody in the playoffs. So it does happen. The
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Speaker 9: most recent was the Heat back in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: All right, focusing on jazz basketball, which, let's be honest,
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Speaker 3: not that fun to do when they are racing toward
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Speaker 3: the bottom of the NBA for obvious and for good
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Speaker 3: reasons probably, but they close out as has become tradition.
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Speaker 3: Against the Los Angeles Lakers, and the starting lineup is
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Speaker 3: Blake Henson, Cody Williams, Oscar shebwe, Ace Bailey, who I
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Speaker 3: will exclude from the question I'm about to ask you,
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Speaker 3: and Bez BEng Man. Excuse me if I take Ace
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Speaker 3: out of that conversation, and maybe I throw in Let's
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Speaker 3: let's throw in John Conchar, who came off the bench
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Speaker 3: for twenty eight minutes. He was the most active bench
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Speaker 3: player for the Utah Jazz against the Lakers. So Hinson, Williams,
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Speaker 3: Sheibwei BEng and Conchar. Which of those guys as the
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Speaker 3: Jazz turned the corner and hope to be, you know,
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Speaker 3: a competing team next year, maybe flirt with the play
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Speaker 3: in or even the playoffs next year. Which of the
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Speaker 3: guys that I just mentioned that we saw a lot
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Speaker 3: of against the Lakers are gonna be the most important
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Speaker 3: piece for the Utah Jazz when they're actually trying.
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Speaker 9: Two players. Cody Williams, who's had a good sophomore season
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Speaker 9: as far as his development. And also John Contar who's
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Speaker 9: not almost like your chility player, where at six seven
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Speaker 9: he plays bigger than his size and his contract is
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Speaker 9: cost certainty at six point five million dollars. So both
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Speaker 9: those guys will be back, and the Cody Williams usually
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Speaker 9: probably off the bench, which is fine and contracts should
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Speaker 9: be like usually speaking would be the ninth or tenth
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Speaker 9: eleventh man, but are ready for action, those two guys
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Speaker 9: would be back. As far as the Jazz season, Suan
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Speaker 9: let me ad to this is as we go talk
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Speaker 9: about the Jazz. This year, the Jazz finished twenty two
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Speaker 9: and sixty for the second state season of losing sixty
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Speaker 9: games or more, which is part of the master planet
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Speaker 9: to get deep in the playoffs eventually once to get
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Speaker 9: their roster play. So the three guys that this off
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Speaker 9: season that he isn't going to focus on are Keante
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Speaker 9: George development. Again, he had to get a stellar against
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Speaker 9: a season this past year before they shut him down.
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Speaker 9: Ace Bailey as a guy that's a really young player,
1:28:17
Speaker 9: and then also Larry Marketing, we forget about him. So
1:28:21
Speaker 9: in the off season they've got to figure out how
1:28:24
Speaker 9: to make Larry Walkining stronger. But with core his core strength,
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Speaker 9: and he's generally speaking because they need Larry Markining showing
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Speaker 9: you mentioned four about possibly flirting for a playoff bid
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Speaker 9: or definitely in the playing tournament. Do you realize that
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Speaker 9: Larry Walkin has missed the last three years a total
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Speaker 9: of one hundred and two games now similar that they
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Speaker 9: set him out purposely because of the tanking, but mostly
1:28:47
Speaker 9: because of injuries. So one hundred and two games Larry
1:28:50
Speaker 9: and Malkining has not played, including forty games this season,
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Speaker 9: so they when he's in the lineup, he's a knockdown shoe.
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Speaker 9: They've got to get him healthy.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything the team can do in order to
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Speaker 2: improve that?
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Speaker 9: Yes, just again be with them all the time as
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Speaker 9: far as what's evaluated off season conditioning, what's it like,
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Speaker 9: as far as strength, strength, as far as habits, what
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Speaker 9: are you working on? And also is basketball skills and
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Speaker 9: so I'll just monitor it because they need him, so
1:29:26
Speaker 9: they could do a lot of different things, maybe more flexibility,
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Speaker 9: just more of try tom almost like to say bulk strength,
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Speaker 9: definitely core strength. A lot of times when you're injured,
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Speaker 9: it's based on your core and so whatever it is,
1:29:38
Speaker 9: once the doctors decide and the Trains decide they've got
1:29:41
Speaker 9: to really be conscious of it because they need him
1:29:44
Speaker 9: to be successful. So she'd be an exciting off season
1:29:47
Speaker 9: for the Jets. The Jets have good players when they're healthy.
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Speaker 9: They are solid. Now from a big standpoint, defensively, that's
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Speaker 9: where it starts, and an at the Jazz the last
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Speaker 9: two seasons, we're either ranked twenty ninth or thirtieth back
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Speaker 9: to back seasons as far as the worst team in
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Speaker 9: the NBA defensively. So as you talk about scoring the ball,
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Speaker 9: which they're very efficient at, they've got to get collectively
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Speaker 9: and individually more determined with accountability to defend both sides,
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Speaker 9: defend the ball, and to rebound.
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Speaker 3: With Walker Kessler back in with Jaron Jackson Junior hopefully
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Speaker 3: in and healthy. Obviously, your system, the way your coached,
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Speaker 3: how you make take defensive shape is going to be important.
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Speaker 3: But are those guys leading a defensive charge going to
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Speaker 3: be enough to elevate the Jazz and probably not to
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Speaker 3: number one from twenty nine or thirty, but into the
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Speaker 3: middle of the pack in the NBA.
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Speaker 9: No, because it all starts with ball containment. So if
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Speaker 9: any defensive starts at the point of attack, on the ball,
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Speaker 9: and the Jazz historically for only they know that most
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Speaker 9: players and the Jazz unfortunately do not guard the ball
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Speaker 9: on perimter. If you're playing switch defense one through four
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Speaker 9: or one through five, then you have to have a
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Speaker 9: ball containment And so even though Kester is a good
1:31:22
Speaker 9: shot blocker, and so is Jaron Jackson, their floormates have
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Speaker 9: to be more determined. And that's based on tenacity and
1:31:30
Speaker 9: technique and toughness of ball containment. And that's how the
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Speaker 9: Jazz will get better. So if you do give up
1:31:37
Speaker 9: the dribble, it'd be much more limited time versus almost consistently.
1:31:42
Speaker 9: And so that's what they've got to address. And the
1:31:44
Speaker 9: second part of that for soar as being technical is
1:31:48
Speaker 9: guarding screening action. That you've got to be able to
1:31:50
Speaker 9: guard screening screening action by lowing your shoulder and by
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Speaker 9: understanding the technique of how to stay a body on body.
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Speaker 9: When a good shooter comes off of screen like say
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Speaker 9: it's own, like a Devin Booker becames off a wide
1:32:06
Speaker 9: screening action, how you're going to guard it? And what's the.
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Speaker 2: Accountability Gorty, what's your list today?
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Speaker 9: All right? My list today? Sean as the season is
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Speaker 9: over right now? How do you do this list? We
1:32:18
Speaker 9: haven't updated this since the last September before the season started.
1:32:23
Speaker 9: Here we go. The NBA create leaders in most regular
1:32:27
Speaker 9: season triple double games, so Korea triple double games. What's
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Speaker 9: a triple double? A triple double is recorded when a
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Speaker 9: player registers ten or more and three of the following
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Speaker 9: five game categories. They are one points, two assist, three rebounds,
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Speaker 9: four steals, and five block shots. Prior to the nineteen
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Speaker 9: seventy four season, the NBA did not officially record steals
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Speaker 9: or block So here we go the top ten Korea
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Speaker 9: triple double leaders. Number ten with this guy's injured this year,
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Speaker 9: Sagramento Kings. However, he's tenth all time. Domatas Sabonis of
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Speaker 9: the Kings has sixty eight triple doubles Korea. Number nine.
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Speaker 9: Will Chamberlain has seventy eight. Number eight, James Harden eighty
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Speaker 9: two Korea triple doubles, number seven, Luca Dantag ninety triple doubles,
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Speaker 9: number six all time, Jason Kidd one hundred and seven
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Speaker 9: number five. He plays for the Lakers. Lebron James with
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Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty five number four. The magic Man
1:33:41
Speaker 9: Magic Johnson with one thirty eight, number three all time,
1:33:45
Speaker 9: the Big Old Oscar Robinson with one eighty one, number two.
1:33:50
Speaker 9: He plays for the Denver Nuggets. This season he had
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Speaker 9: thirty four triple doubles in sixty five games Korea total
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Speaker 9: as we speak right now of one hundred and ninety
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Speaker 9: eight creat triple doubles, and the number one player in
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Speaker 9: the NBA history with the most triple doubles is Russell
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Speaker 9: Westbrook with two hundred and nine. Quickly, what about jazz basketball?
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Speaker 9: The two leaders as far as Korea triple doubles as
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Speaker 9: a jazz member, it's Pete Marriage at seven and Mark
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Speaker 9: Eaton at six and Sean, do you realize that this
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Speaker 9: past season your use of nurkage had three triple doubles
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Speaker 9: in the twenty five to twenty sixth season and very
1:34:33
Speaker 9: limited amount of games. Thus, that's my list of.
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Speaker 5: Today, your top ten.
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Speaker 3: Six of the top ten if you were keeping count,
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Speaker 3: there are currently active players and Joker will pass Russell
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Speaker 3: Westbrook before it's all said and done. Wow, Gordy, you're
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Speaker 3: the man. Always appreciate your time. Thanks for a justing
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Speaker 3: your schedule to help us out. Appreciate you, sir, all right,
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1:36:25
Speaker 2: I don't want to let it go by the wayside.
1:36:31
Speaker 3: We might be watching the rise of the fastest human
1:36:34
Speaker 3: being ever. We already saw the prime of Usain Bolt's
1:36:39
Speaker 3: sprinting career, the back to back to back gold medals.
1:36:42
Speaker 3: We already saw the world records in the one hundred meters,
1:36:46
Speaker 3: the two hundred meter. There's a young Australian Sudanese Australian
1:36:52
Speaker 3: kid right now named Gout Gout who broke Usain Bolts
1:37:00
Speaker 3: under twenty two hundred meter record. He ran faster as
1:37:05
Speaker 3: a teenager then Usain Bolt ran as a teenager. Interestingly enough,
1:37:12
Speaker 3: just like Usain Bolt. If you remember watching that Jamaican
1:37:16
Speaker 3: phenomenon in the prime of his career, he was visibly
1:37:21
Speaker 3: he was built different than most of the guys he
1:37:24
Speaker 3: was running against. A lot of the sprinters are six
1:37:29
Speaker 3: foot ish to six', two very, muscular they're built like running.
1:37:37
Speaker 3: Backs Usain bolt was six' five and a little bit
1:37:44
Speaker 3: leaner than. These guys, this Kid This gout, gout kid
1:37:48
Speaker 3: he's the.
1:37:48
Speaker 2: Exact same.
1:37:51
Speaker 3: He's, long legged, he's lean he has this sort of
1:37:55
Speaker 3: like hybrid sprinter distance runner kind. Of build, but man
1:38:02
Speaker 3: he's actually a terrible starter. RIGHT now i don't Know,
1:38:04
Speaker 3: IF james i don't know if you or anyone else
1:38:06
Speaker 3: has watched any of, his sprints any of.
1:38:08
Speaker 2: His highlights he's.
1:38:11
Speaker 3: Usually like a full step step and a half behind
1:38:15
Speaker 3: right out of, the blocks and then he just gets
1:38:18
Speaker 3: the full speed and burns. Past everybody the kid is
1:38:22
Speaker 3: an absolute animal when he reaches, top speed just feeling.
1:38:26
Speaker 4: Things out, oh see he's not a. Slow starter he
1:38:28
Speaker 4: just gets the lay OF the lfe for half. A
1:38:30
Speaker 4: second i'm a slow. Starter too i'm also a slow
1:38:35
Speaker 4: finisher when it comes. To running, that's fine or really
1:38:39
Speaker 4: anything important. In life but this kid could potentially be the.
1:38:46
Speaker 3: Fastest human and we're just now getting because we didn't
1:38:49
Speaker 3: get to, Watch You, sain bolt unless you were the
1:38:50
Speaker 3: hardest of hardcore. Track enthusiasts you didn't get to, Watch
1:38:55
Speaker 3: You saint bolt when he was in his. Teenage years
1:38:58
Speaker 3: you're getting to watch this kid because of, social media
1:39:01
Speaker 3: because of the ubiquity of cameras, everywhere now so check.
1:39:06
Speaker 3: Them out it's easy to spell GOUTCUT it's I hope
1:39:10
Speaker 3: i'm pronouncing.
1:39:11
Speaker 2: It correctly it might be goot goot g o u t.
1:39:14
Speaker 2: G out it's one.
1:39:15
Speaker 4: Of those uh, you know We Had bull bowl recently
1:39:19
Speaker 4: out OF the pac TWELVE and i think still IN the. Nba,
1:39:22
Speaker 4: somewhere yeah one of those Double name african. Heritage guys.
1:39:29
Speaker 3: Goot eighteen years old At The Ipswich, grammar school nineteen
1:39:37
Speaker 3: six seven in the.
1:39:39
Speaker 2: Two hundred that is fast Faster Than. Usain bolts, All, RIGHT.
1:39:48
Speaker 3: James i can we do A tank race update with
1:39:53
Speaker 3: The Final tank race Update The tank race results if.
1:39:56
Speaker 2: You will now That The utah jazz season.
1:39:58
Speaker 4: Is, COMPLETED yeah nba regular season Officially over jazz season
1:40:04
Speaker 4: of course included.
1:40:05
Speaker 2: In that here's how. They finish oh see tied. For
1:40:10
Speaker 2: force now this was in some not.
1:40:13
Speaker 4: Insignificant doubt i'm not gonna say, serious doubt but some
1:40:17
Speaker 4: non insignificant Doubt here. Friday NIGHT so i went TO
1:40:22
Speaker 4: the i went to The game. Friday night it's the.
1:40:24
Speaker 4: Season finale it's always there's always fun like fan appreciation
1:40:29
Speaker 4: stuff in this in the home not the, season finale the.
1:40:32
Speaker 4: Home finale there's even some stuff for places that we
1:40:38
Speaker 4: get access to as media that you benefit from because
1:40:41
Speaker 4: it's fan appreciation night a. Little bit so, you know
1:40:45
Speaker 4: the home finale is, always fun even if, the teams
1:40:47
Speaker 4: even if the. Team's BAD so i.
1:40:49
Speaker 3: Go there.
1:40:52
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how it's gonna, turn out Because the
1:40:56
Speaker 4: grizzlies also, are, bad right neither team wants. To Win
1:41:00
Speaker 4: brian Winhorse On get up called it The super bowl
1:41:03
Speaker 4: of taking of tanking tongue. In Cheek.
1:41:07
Speaker 2: The jet.
1:41:07
Speaker 4: It it it exceeded expectations because not only Did the,
1:41:12
Speaker 4: jazz win, oh see they won by forty five points
1:41:15
Speaker 4: and they scored one hundred and forty six On. The
1:41:18
Speaker 4: grizzlies and this is like THE Two nba like there
1:41:23
Speaker 4: were two players that played For the jazz that were
1:41:26
Speaker 4: on the opening.
1:41:27
Speaker 2: Day roster.
1:41:29
Speaker 4: That's, uh Yeah That's cody Williams And. Ace, bailey okay
1:41:35
Speaker 4: everyone else Are like Bez m bang who had a. Triple,
1:41:39
Speaker 4: double okay con conchar who was In The Jaron jackson.
1:41:43
Speaker 4: Junior trade he's, a veteran who's who's been IN the
1:41:45
Speaker 4: nba for a little, bit now and then just a
1:41:48
Speaker 4: bunch of other guys that you only know if you've
1:41:50
Speaker 4: been if you've. Been following this team recently won forty
1:41:54
Speaker 4: six to one, a One so, i'm, like okay well
1:41:57
Speaker 4: they're gonna. Be fifth not, so fat that's. My Friend
1:42:00
Speaker 4: the kings also Beat. The warriors it was like an eight.
1:42:04
Speaker 4: POINT game i don't know who played For the warriors.
1:42:06
Speaker 4: Or not.
1:42:08
Speaker 2: But the kings, also win so it's a.
1:42:11
Speaker 4: Tanking miracle both, Teams win So the jazz do end
1:42:15
Speaker 4: up tied for fourth to end. The season Thank you
1:42:19
Speaker 4: kings for winning on a night That the jazz won by.
1:42:22
Speaker 4: Forty five the tiebreaker will be determined by a random Drawing,
1:42:28
Speaker 4: In Secaucus. New jersey that's that's how. They did that's
1:42:33
Speaker 4: how they break the ties in. Lottery odds it has
1:42:36
Speaker 4: nothing to do with season records the way that you,
1:42:38
Speaker 4: think of like breaking ties in playoff for, playoff teams
1:42:42
Speaker 4: and nothing to do with any.
1:42:43
Speaker 2: Of that they just do a.
1:42:44
Speaker 4: Random drawing might as well be a coin flip last
1:42:47
Speaker 4: year that Took place april, Twenty FIRST so i expect
1:42:50
Speaker 4: we'll hear the results of the of that random, Drawing soon.
1:42:54
Speaker 2: Jazz fans If the jazz, get fourth they.
1:42:57
Speaker 4: Have it they'll have a twelve and a half percent
1:42:59
Speaker 4: chance sit the number, one pick and, more importantly they'll
1:43:02
Speaker 4: be guaranteed to keep their first. Round pick if they end,
1:43:06
Speaker 4: up fifth they'll just they'll have a ten percent chance
1:43:10
Speaker 4: at the number. One pick so that goes down and
1:43:12
Speaker 4: they will, have a however minute a chance they will
1:43:16
Speaker 4: have a chance at losing their first. Round, picked, okay
1:43:19
Speaker 4: SEE it's i think a point a zero point six
1:43:23
Speaker 4: chance of fall of that pick falling, to ninth which
1:43:26
Speaker 4: of course would mean it would convey To. The thunder
1:43:30
Speaker 4: the reason why we've been talking about that that pick
1:43:33
Speaker 4: was given To the thunder in a twenty twenty one
1:43:36
Speaker 4: trade That Sent derek favors To. The thunder this is
1:43:40
Speaker 4: the last season that there's any kind of consequence with.
1:43:43
Speaker 4: That pick so If the jazz keep, the Pick the
1:43:45
Speaker 4: thunder ended up not getting a first round pick when
1:43:49
Speaker 4: they Traded for derek when they Traded For derek favors
1:43:51
Speaker 4: in twenty, Twenty one so last time we'll have to worry.
1:43:54
Speaker 4: About that cross your fingers that the random Drawing goes.
1:43:58
Speaker 4: Jazz way and just in case any one was wondering
1:44:00
Speaker 4: not having anything to do With the jazz, is tank
1:44:03
Speaker 4: the top three in the tank race ended Up Being
1:44:05
Speaker 4: wizards pacers nets they have the best chance at getting
1:44:09
Speaker 4: the number one pick IN the. Nba draft that's your
1:44:13
Speaker 4: final tank race update for the twenty twenty. SIXTH season i,
1:44:16
Speaker 4: say final we might have another one wants the random drawing.
1:44:20
Speaker 4: IS given i, don't know more of a results.
1:44:22
Speaker 3: Pace thing by the way to maybe the basketball gods
1:44:27
Speaker 3: are finally smiling On the jazz because that tanking miracle you.
1:44:31
Speaker 2: Just referenced, YOU said i don't know who played For
1:44:34
Speaker 2: the warriors or.
1:44:35
Speaker 3: Didn't Yeh draymond green twenty four minutes in, The Game
1:44:40
Speaker 3: christaps porzingis twenty six minutes in, The Game steph curry
1:44:44
Speaker 3: twenty seven minutes in, The Game brandon pujemski thirty two
1:44:47
Speaker 3: minutes in.
1:44:48
Speaker 2: The Game so lawyers probably should have won.
1:44:51
Speaker 3: That game then they played effectively their, real lineup not
1:44:57
Speaker 3: their normal load of, minutes necessarily but they played their,
1:45:00
Speaker 3: normal lineup And the kings won one hundred and twenty
1:45:03
Speaker 3: four to one eighteen.
1:45:05
Speaker 2: Twenty two and.
1:45:06
Speaker 4: Fifty nine by, the way the uh the regular season
1:45:09
Speaker 4: record For the jazz up by up five more wins than,
1:45:12
Speaker 4: last year so there was slight.
1:45:15
Speaker 2: Improvement there despite their. BEST efforts.
1:45:20
Speaker 3: I love that we have to qualify that despite trying,
1:45:23
Speaker 3: to lose twenty two and sixty is the sixty excuse
1:45:26
Speaker 3: me two and six.
1:45:27
Speaker 2: Because they ended up it was twenty two and. Fifty.
1:45:29
Speaker 3: Nine yeah at after the game you referenced twenty two
1:45:32
Speaker 3: and sixty when it was all said.
1:45:33
Speaker 2: And, done yeah.
1:45:36
Speaker 5: All.
1:45:36
Speaker 3: Right uh speaking Of The, utah Jazz BIG. T thorl
1:45:39
Speaker 3: bailey is going to join us to start our. Number
1:45:41
Speaker 3: three he's got a, new Podcast The Rising, grind podcast
1:45:44
Speaker 3: and obviously he'll have some thoughts on THE Upcoming nba
1:45:48
Speaker 3: draft lottery and the way this season played out For Your.
1:45:51
Speaker 3: Utah jazz John O'Connell show continues NEXT on espn seven
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Speaker 3: three On the Shot. O'Connell show, Welcome, In, thorough Bailey
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Speaker 3: big t kind of enough to give us a few
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Speaker 3: minutes here On a, monday Afternoon thorough welcome to.
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Speaker 2: CONTROL that i know, YOU did i know. You, Did
1:46:40
Speaker 2: Uh Riseing grind podcast launching.
1:46:43
Speaker 3: This thing before we get to any discussion ON the
1:46:46
Speaker 3: nba And This utah jazz team and their place in the,
1:46:49
Speaker 3: upcoming lottery.
1:46:51
Speaker 2: Why Why The Rising? Grind podcast tell me your vision
1:46:54
Speaker 2: for this thing and launching? It, now.
1:46:58
Speaker 8: Well YOU know i. WANTED to i wanted to celebrate
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1:47:06
Speaker 8: i think all of us want to succeed. In something
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1:47:23
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Speaker 1: To It.
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Speaker 3: Find Rise and grind wherever you find. Your Podcast thorough
1:48:09
Speaker 3: bailey with a. New project, all right let's talk A little.
1:48:13
Speaker 3: Nba basketball let's first start With This utah jazz team
1:48:17
Speaker 3: coming off another sixty, loss season but not one, without.
1:48:21
Speaker 3: Promise right they had to manipulate the lineup pretty heavily
1:48:25
Speaker 3: down the stretch because the group of young guys that
1:48:28
Speaker 3: are starting to come together early in the season looked
1:48:30
Speaker 3: like they had a little competitive competitiveness. To them they
1:48:34
Speaker 3: looked like they had a little bit of pluck and
1:48:36
Speaker 3: maybe that the chemistry was improving in a way that
1:48:38
Speaker 3: was going to play this team out of their preferred, lottery,
1:48:42
Speaker 3: position which of course. Tanking sucks we know that it's
1:48:46
Speaker 3: just a product of. The system right now IN. The
1:48:48
Speaker 3: nba but, big picture what do you think Of This
1:48:52
Speaker 3: utah jazz roster before we get to the, next draft and,
1:48:55
Speaker 3: you know the young guys that have really started to
1:48:57
Speaker 3: come into, their.
1:48:58
Speaker 5: OWN.
1:49:00
Speaker 8: Well I think Ryan and ashley have, shown that, you
1:49:03
Speaker 8: know this organization is ready to take that next step
1:49:06
Speaker 8: forward with all the assets that, we've acquired, you know
1:49:10
Speaker 8: and the possibility of getting a high. Draft Pick The
1:49:14
Speaker 8: jared jackson junior trade was really it, WAS huge, i
1:49:19
Speaker 8: mean probably the biggest trade IN the nba as far
1:49:23
Speaker 8: as bringing up that type of Player Into will. Hardy's
1:49:28
Speaker 8: system and if you, CAN imagine i know you've already
1:49:31
Speaker 8: kind of run it through your head of what that
1:49:34
Speaker 8: core could. Look like I'm Sure jazz nation all they've
1:49:37
Speaker 8: all done that Now with Lowry And Jared. Jackson jr
1:49:41
Speaker 8: and then the Emergence Of keyante george And Then ace,
1:49:45
Speaker 8: Bailey's Growth walker kessler's potential situation there in, THE middle,
1:49:51
Speaker 8: I mean i think the opportunities, are ANALYSTS but i
1:49:54
Speaker 8: think the core of the team is set and what
1:49:57
Speaker 8: was allowed, TO happen i think towards, the middle towards
1:50:01
Speaker 8: the end of, the season it's for the other young
1:50:03
Speaker 8: players that to try to cement their roles in. That
1:50:05
Speaker 8: Rotation And, kyle pelapowski, for one really come along and
1:50:09
Speaker 8: he needed those minutes to try to get his game
1:50:13
Speaker 8: to that. Next level and, you know Guys like bright
1:50:17
Speaker 8: Sense of awe.
1:50:17
Speaker 2: The Same so.
1:50:19
Speaker 8: I'M excited I Know jazz.
1:50:20
Speaker 3: Nation is you just mentioned it as we project and we, think,
1:50:25
Speaker 3: of well what's it going to be like when you've got,
1:50:27
Speaker 3: you know these, three towers, big guys a front court
1:50:32
Speaker 3: with some. Real size if you can get A Healthy
1:50:34
Speaker 3: walker kessler and A, healthy lowry Markin And Jared jackson
1:50:38
Speaker 3: junior all out, there together how much of an adjustment
1:50:41
Speaker 3: is It For will hardy for this franchise to play
1:50:46
Speaker 3: a lineup, like that to have that be kind of
1:50:48
Speaker 3: your starting core when we haven't seen anything like That
1:50:52
Speaker 3: In Salt lake city for a very.
1:50:53
Speaker 2: LONG time.
1:50:56
Speaker 8: I think when you look at, this league you've. Seen
1:50:57
Speaker 8: trends you've seen teams even with a three point line being.
1:51:03
Speaker 8: As important you've seen teams you use that. Early on
1:51:06
Speaker 8: you've also seen an evolution of how we use the big.
1:51:11
Speaker 8: Man today, you know just maybe ten eleven, years ago
1:51:16
Speaker 8: the big man just stood in the dunk spot and
1:51:18
Speaker 8: waited for LOBS and i think now when you look
1:51:22
Speaker 8: At What nikolai jolkicic, has brought you look At what
1:51:25
Speaker 8: nurkice has brought To.
1:51:27
Speaker 5: The jazz.
1:51:30
Speaker 8: You can run your offense to. Those guys you can set,
1:51:33
Speaker 8: great screens and you've got big who can stretch. The,
1:51:35
Speaker 8: floor NOW so i think that the league is really
1:51:39
Speaker 8: trending more towards rent protection and. Paint protection and with
1:51:43
Speaker 8: those names we just, talked about you've got two of
1:51:47
Speaker 8: The Best walker Kessler And Jaron jackson junior on the
1:51:50
Speaker 8: floor together where those positions. Are interchangeable they can guard
1:51:57
Speaker 8: maybe on, the switches they can guard two or three.
1:52:00
Speaker 8: Through five and you know GUYS, like nrk guys like
1:52:06
Speaker 8: The Flip Jared. Jackson jr can even stretch the floor
1:52:11
Speaker 8: and play the. Mid RANGE so i think it could
1:52:13
Speaker 8: be something that, could start, you know a. NEW trend
1:52:17
Speaker 8: I Think will hardy's just a, brilliant coach and he
1:52:21
Speaker 8: and his staff their schemes that they. DEVISE offensively i
1:52:26
Speaker 8: think we'll have a lot of options, to it especially
1:52:28
Speaker 8: when you have a seven for the light lower who
1:52:29
Speaker 8: can come off screens and put the ball on. The
1:52:31
Speaker 8: floor but the. MAIN focus i think for, that Team
1:52:35
Speaker 8: as will, talks about as the, defensive side because you're
1:52:37
Speaker 8: not going to shoot great. Every night but if your
1:52:40
Speaker 8: defense can hold court and you can keep the other
1:52:42
Speaker 8: team from having, those runs you got. A shot.
1:52:46
Speaker 3: How difficult is it going to be for everyone top
1:52:49
Speaker 3: to bottom in the organization to flip. The switch you're
1:52:53
Speaker 3: turning on the lights, and saying now we're going to
1:52:55
Speaker 3: really try. To compete we all understand the exercise we've
1:52:58
Speaker 3: been going through these last four year years trying to maximize,
1:53:01
Speaker 3: draft position and, you know guys have convenient surgeries and things.
1:53:07
Speaker 3: Like that but but now you're going to completely opposite
1:53:11
Speaker 3: direction beginning game one. Next year how difficult a switch
1:53:16
Speaker 3: is that to then build winning habits after deliberately losing
1:53:21
Speaker 3: a bunch.
1:53:21
Speaker 2: OF games.
1:53:24
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say, deliberately, LOSING yeah. I don't i mean as,
1:53:27
Speaker 8: a Player if i'm out on, The court. I'm playing
1:53:29
Speaker 8: i'm trying to to do my job THE best. I
1:53:33
Speaker 8: can so you KNOW when i, HEAR that i frowned,
1:53:37
Speaker 8: a BIT because, i mean our fans. ARE student, i
1:53:40
Speaker 8: mean they know what position. We're in but if you're
1:53:45
Speaker 8: saying the players who are on, the court don't go out,
1:53:47
Speaker 8: to compete, you know that's that's the, wrong thought especially in.
1:53:51
Speaker 3: My book well, that's, why well THAT'S why i was
1:53:53
Speaker 3: asking the question from an organizational top to, bottom standpoint
1:53:56
Speaker 3: because players always are going, to compete but like the
1:53:59
Speaker 3: coach has had to deliberately lose and the management had
1:54:03
Speaker 3: to make decisions that would, you know take certain guys
1:54:06
Speaker 3: away from the ability, to compete and now you have
1:54:10
Speaker 3: to turn that back on after leaving it dormant for
1:54:13
Speaker 3: most of. This YEAR that i never want to suggest
1:54:17
Speaker 3: that players aren't. PLAYING hard i was really impressed with
1:54:19
Speaker 3: the young guys and their competitiveness even in some of.
1:54:23
Speaker 2: THOSE games i don't know if.
1:54:24
Speaker 8: IT'S dormant i don't think winning is. EVER dormant i
1:54:28
Speaker 8: don't think the team concepts and culture is. EVER dormant,
1:54:34
Speaker 8: i mean you were together all, the time and even
1:54:39
Speaker 8: if you're not playing on, the court there's there's the
1:54:43
Speaker 8: buy in to. The FUTURE so i think that it's
1:54:48
Speaker 8: not going to. Be difficult it's not going to be
1:54:50
Speaker 8: difficult for the team to put their best, out there
1:54:55
Speaker 8: their healthy best out there. AND win i don't think there's.
1:54:58
Speaker 8: A switch i think that there's a. New season there's
1:55:02
Speaker 8: the summer where players will work on themselves in. Their
1:55:05
Speaker 8: games there's, you know this season that just ended where
1:55:09
Speaker 8: guys have definitely. GOTTEN better i mean the minutes that
1:55:16
Speaker 8: they probably wouldn't. HAVE Gotten A kyle filipowski doesn't make
1:55:20
Speaker 8: the jump that. HE made i think The right sensaba
1:55:24
Speaker 8: doesn't make the jump that. He made Even the Coody
1:55:26
Speaker 8: williams is don't make the jump that. They made, SO
1:55:29
Speaker 8: yeah i. DON'T think, i mean maybe that question is
1:55:33
Speaker 8: better Suited For austin Ainge Or danny Ainge Or, Justin
1:55:36
Speaker 8: santik but from, MY standpoint i don't think there is.
1:55:40
Speaker 8: A switch i think you start a new season and
1:55:45
Speaker 8: you get everybody healthy and you go, day one you start.
1:55:50
Speaker 8: The summer really, but yeah and there's, no, guarantees right
1:55:55
Speaker 8: there's no guarantees you're going to make. The PLAYOFFS but
1:55:58
Speaker 8: i think with everything that you can see on, THE
1:56:00
Speaker 8: horizon i don't think you have to just to think
1:56:07
Speaker 8: that it's it's been a. DORMANT thing i think, you
1:56:10
Speaker 8: KNOW the nba season is what. It is you know
1:56:12
Speaker 8: what's coming and you prepare.
1:56:14
Speaker 3: For it If You're walker kessler and you had you
1:56:17
Speaker 3: know you missed a lot of time for very. Legitimate
1:56:21
Speaker 3: reasons and, you know you did see like the progress
1:56:25
Speaker 3: of some of the guys you've Mentioned In keyante george
1:56:28
Speaker 3: really coming on, this year and that was a product
1:56:31
Speaker 3: of being able to, being available being able, to play
1:56:34
Speaker 3: and being able to practice and being able to improve alongside.
1:56:38
Speaker 3: Your teammates and if you're rehabbing instead of being able to,
1:56:42
Speaker 3: you know spend some of, that time you can lose some.
1:56:45
Speaker 3: Progress there so How Does walker kessler make sure he
1:56:48
Speaker 3: keeps pace with the development of the other young guys
1:56:52
Speaker 3: on this roster and is ready to hit the ground
1:56:54
Speaker 3: running by the time this season starts?
1:56:56
Speaker 8: Next, YEAR well i think the pace that you lose
1:57:00
Speaker 8: is the pace of playing in real time and. Real
1:57:03
Speaker 8: games every player gets injured at, some point some more
1:57:06
Speaker 8: serious than. The other but as you've looked around this
1:57:09
Speaker 8: league and as you've seen stars, get, Hurt right you've
1:57:13
Speaker 8: seen players get hurt and come back from from. Growth injuries,
1:57:18
Speaker 8: You Know, walker kessler these players are so much available
1:57:22
Speaker 8: to them today that they don't have, to, ATROPHY right, i,
1:57:28
Speaker 8: mean yeah they don't have that game time type of,
1:57:34
Speaker 8: you know because it's, the fitness but they're still trying
1:57:41
Speaker 8: to keep as sharp as they can without, you know
1:57:44
Speaker 8: having to go out and try. To play But in,
1:57:49
Speaker 8: WALKER'S case i actually think it's it's more on the
1:57:53
Speaker 8: mental and, zyological. SIDE right, i mean he's a guy who's,
1:57:56
Speaker 8: you know looking for a new contract and all those. Things,
1:57:59
Speaker 8: matter so, YOU know i think he's done a good
1:58:04
Speaker 8: job of staying around, the team staying around the trainers
1:58:09
Speaker 8: and making sure his fitness is up the par until
1:58:12
Speaker 8: he does get, that INJURY which i think he's very
1:58:15
Speaker 8: very close now to. Be activated but, you know these
1:58:19
Speaker 8: guys are paying a lot of money to, be ready
1:58:22
Speaker 8: AND so i have no, doubt that, you know when
1:58:26
Speaker 8: the time comes that a Guy Like, walker kestler he
1:58:30
Speaker 8: has to be, you know, you know to to justify
1:58:33
Speaker 8: his value To the jazz or whoever it. May be
1:58:37
Speaker 8: but that's what, athletes do.
1:58:40
Speaker 5: And and you know that.
1:58:41
Speaker 8: As well.
1:58:43
Speaker 3: How important is the, player relationship the player leadership dynamic
1:58:49
Speaker 3: as you as you embark on this new journey of
1:58:52
Speaker 3: competing and you'll have a hopefully a really talented rookie
1:58:56
Speaker 3: in the mix and now a rising sophomore projecting to
1:59:00
Speaker 3: next Year Of ace bailey who showed us some really
1:59:02
Speaker 3: nice things. This year but, You Know asen Lowry and
1:59:07
Speaker 3: walker And And jared, jackson junior they didn't get to
1:59:10
Speaker 3: play together a ton and and now you're gonna have all, those,
1:59:15
Speaker 3: guys hopefully knock, on wood you're gonna have all those
1:59:17
Speaker 3: Guys and keyante and and everyone else kind of doing
1:59:22
Speaker 3: it at once instead of here. And There and ace
1:59:26
Speaker 3: got to play a Lot, with Bryce and bryce got
1:59:29
Speaker 3: to play a Lot with Oscar And cody williams got
1:59:32
Speaker 3: to play a lot with, those guys but not necessarily
1:59:34
Speaker 3: a ton with the aforementioned projected starters from.
1:59:37
Speaker 2: Next year.
1:59:39
Speaker 3: How important is, you know Maybe A jaron jackson junior
1:59:41
Speaker 3: Or a lowry market and or an elder statesman taking
1:59:44
Speaker 3: that leadership role within the locker room and and really
1:59:47
Speaker 3: establishing a tone even before we see this team on a,
1:59:51
Speaker 3: competitive floor but like in, the offseason training and in
1:59:54
Speaker 3: practice and things. Like that it's they're, all PROFESSIONALS but
1:59:59
Speaker 3: i imagine the team dynamics. Still matter you WERE an.
2:00:02
Speaker 3: NBA player i, never was so you, tell.
2:00:04
Speaker 6: Me.
2:00:07
Speaker 8: Well the chemistry is, already there and there's certain types
2:00:11
Speaker 8: of chemistry that's on, court chemistry which definitely. Takes reps
2:00:16
Speaker 8: that's the responsibility of the, coaching STAFF and I don't
2:00:21
Speaker 8: i think that's. Already, started yeah we haven't seen Much.
2:00:25
Speaker 8: Of trip we saw three Games, with trip but WE
2:00:27
Speaker 8: need i think a coach knowing, that player knowing what that,
2:00:32
Speaker 8: player brings it's their job to put them in a
2:00:35
Speaker 8: situation where they. Can succeed and when you have a
2:00:39
Speaker 8: Coach Like liil hardy and you set down to the
2:00:43
Speaker 8: drawing board with all your with, your assistants you talk
2:00:46
Speaker 8: about those those assets and the things that those individual
2:00:50
Speaker 8: players have and where they fit and how you can
2:00:54
Speaker 8: make sure that because there's not one or, two players
2:00:57
Speaker 8: you have to rely on guys for. Certain things question,
2:01:00
Speaker 8: you know certain guys are going to be. Leading scorers
2:01:05
Speaker 8: but From what i've Seen With, coach party his schemes
2:01:10
Speaker 8: have multiple options and it really is up to the
2:01:13
Speaker 8: players to learn those things and get to know each
2:01:15
Speaker 8: other during that process the, leadership Part and i'm not
2:01:19
Speaker 8: sure that's something you. CAN teach i think it was
2:01:22
Speaker 8: so helpful To Have kevin love on the team to
2:01:25
Speaker 8: help develop these, young players In, Particular keyante george And.
2:01:30
Speaker 8: As bailey it was really good to have a Guy
2:01:35
Speaker 8: like nurk to come in and kind of impose this.
2:01:39
Speaker 8: Leadership there so this leadership that comes in. Different Ways
2:01:43
Speaker 8: and i'm with these guys, a LOT so i can.
2:01:45
Speaker 8: SEE it i can see the growth and development and
2:01:47
Speaker 8: communications that they have with each other and the. Coaching
2:01:50
Speaker 8: staff so how does that all play out on. The,
2:01:52
Speaker 8: COURT yeah i think all of it's a part. Of
2:01:55
Speaker 8: it but, it's reps it's getting in in, the summer
2:01:58
Speaker 8: it's coming, in early working with, each other it's working
2:02:02
Speaker 8: with your coaches in. The offseason every team, does it
2:02:07
Speaker 8: every player, does it and so it's not going to
2:02:11
Speaker 8: be like a. Perfect scenario when the. Season starts you're
2:02:15
Speaker 8: going to go to bumps and figure. Things out and
2:02:18
Speaker 8: that's really the way every season is right until you
2:02:21
Speaker 8: can you know you don't want to be you're not
2:02:23
Speaker 8: going to be great to. Start with you want to
2:02:25
Speaker 8: be great at the, right time and so that's when
2:02:28
Speaker 8: you start talking about playoffs and then and then you
2:02:32
Speaker 8: start talking about pushing for a championship in the next couple.
2:02:34
Speaker 3: Of YEARS before i let you go, big t the
2:02:38
Speaker 3: playoffs are right around. The corner do you have? A
2:02:41
Speaker 3: favorite is it okay sees to. Lose again how does
2:02:44
Speaker 3: this how does this playoff? Work out when we get
2:02:48
Speaker 3: TO The. Nba, FINALS.
2:02:51
Speaker 8: Well, i think, you know defending champs have an opportunity
2:02:58
Speaker 8: to do. It again, you Know okay SEE is, i
2:03:00
Speaker 8: mean they are really built. FOR it i think they've
2:03:03
Speaker 8: kind of changed the league in a way because, you
2:03:07
Speaker 8: know the defense's priority. With them, you know they've Got,
2:03:10
Speaker 8: shake illes and they've got some great players. Around THEM
2:03:14
Speaker 8: but i don't know if it's a super team as
2:03:17
Speaker 8: much as a team that has committed each and everyone to.
2:03:20
Speaker 5: THEIR roles.
2:03:22
Speaker 8: I think gone all the days where you try to,
2:03:25
Speaker 8: garnish three, you Know future Hall of fame players together
2:03:31
Speaker 8: to try to dominate. The league but it's still up in.
2:03:33
Speaker 8: THE air i Think san antonio has a. Good shot,
2:03:36
Speaker 8: You know detroit has just come a. Long WAY so
2:03:39
Speaker 8: i like. THE parody i. Really do, right Now okay
2:03:43
Speaker 8: see is playing some really. Good basketball but during the,
2:03:47
Speaker 8: REGULAR season I Think san antonio had. Their number so
2:03:51
Speaker 8: it's a whole, different, Season Man so i'm NOT sure
2:03:54
Speaker 8: i have. A favorite if you're making, ME choose i
2:03:57
Speaker 8: would Say That oklahoma city probably still has the best chance.
2:04:02
Speaker 8: Of repeating.
2:04:05
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2:04:34
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2:04:39
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Speaker 11: Up sean thanks for having me in On. A monday,
2:05:32
Speaker 11: sun's out, no Case the monday's here For. The mammoth
2:05:36
Speaker 11: got that all Done with Saturday. AND sunday.
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Speaker 5: I like what you.
2:05:40
Speaker 3: DID there i actually want to go Back To thursday
2:05:43
Speaker 3: night With the mammoth before we get to, the weekend
2:05:46
Speaker 3: because that was the night That This utah mammoth team
2:05:49
Speaker 3: clinched officially a playoff spot in the.
2:05:53
Speaker 2: Second year of the.
2:05:54
Speaker 3: Club's EXISTENCE and i know you've probably already talked a lot,
2:05:57
Speaker 3: about it we have not discussed the officiality of that milestone.
2:06:02
Speaker 3: Being reached, and look it's significant in a lot. Of
2:06:06
Speaker 3: ways even as. A standalone it feels even more significant
2:06:10
Speaker 3: because of what else has been happening At The delta
2:06:12
Speaker 3: center of the last four years. Or so this is
2:06:15
Speaker 3: incredibly exciting playoff hockey Coming to.
2:06:18
Speaker 11: Utah, Now Well clayton keller kind of set the expectation
2:06:24
Speaker 11: last Summer At mammoth Week In. Saint george, he said
2:06:29
Speaker 11: the goal and the expectation. Is playoffs and as we
2:06:32
Speaker 11: went into, training camp got to say message from other
2:06:36
Speaker 11: players and from General Manager, bill armstrong and, you know
2:06:40
Speaker 11: they weren't shying away. From it last year they. Came close,
2:06:45
Speaker 11: this year they wanted to, get there and they. Got
2:06:47
Speaker 11: there and it's not. That Easy The Detroit, red wings
2:06:51
Speaker 11: longest playoffs drout now IN the nhl of over, a
2:06:54
Speaker 11: decade looked like this was going to be. Their year
2:06:57
Speaker 11: they were Leading The atlantic division right Before the olympics and.
2:07:01
Speaker 11: Completely collapse they're not in. The playoffs so you set,
2:07:05
Speaker 11: the goal you're looking. Towards it it's an eighty two.
2:07:08
Speaker 11: Game season, there's ups, there's downs but, oh see as.
2:07:13
Speaker 11: We promised Once the mammoth Got, into january that seven game,
2:07:17
Speaker 11: home stand that's where it's at the tone and, for
2:07:20
Speaker 11: me it was a six to one Win against Toronto on.
2:07:23
Speaker 11: January Thirteenth, ALL right, i thought this is this is
2:07:26
Speaker 11: going to be the last time this team is not
2:07:30
Speaker 11: in a. Playoff position now that they've secured, that win
2:07:33
Speaker 11: they're a. Playoff team they're. Moving forward we're going, onward
2:07:37
Speaker 11: here and they've been in a playoff spot for all
2:07:40
Speaker 11: but about twenty four hours. Since then it was Late
2:07:42
Speaker 11: late January a sunday night To a, monday night and
2:07:44
Speaker 11: they've had the first wild card Spot since, february two so.
2:07:47
Speaker 11: They're there so we, see, It, right, okay playoffs Playoffs
2:07:52
Speaker 11: plast and then you Get to thursday morning and we get.
2:07:55
Speaker 11: A text If the mammoth win tonight, In regulation Anaheim Beats,
2:08:02
Speaker 11: san jose, it's official and, You're, thinking okay.
2:08:05
Speaker 2: That's possible let's go do it?
2:08:07
Speaker 11: Even, Likely yeah and Then the mammoth jump up Early,
2:08:11
Speaker 11: against nashville lea from tape to tape and at the
2:08:14
Speaker 11: second intermission. They're ahead anaheim is off to a great
2:08:20
Speaker 11: startup to Nothing Against, san jose looking to end a
2:08:23
Speaker 11: six game, winless skid and it just kind of sunk
2:08:27
Speaker 11: in and it kind of got a, little emotional like
2:08:32
Speaker 11: there's there's life moments that you have that that. Hit
2:08:35
Speaker 11: You and i'm sitting there second Intermission and, i'm thinking this.
2:08:40
Speaker 11: Is it we're gonna do.
2:08:42
Speaker 2: This tonight and.
2:08:45
Speaker 11: We were obviously on the air on the radio When
2:08:48
Speaker 11: when anaheim stealed it off and AND our tv post
2:08:51
Speaker 11: game stayed on until it was done and the next morning,
2:08:55
Speaker 11: at practice Head Coach andre turney.
2:08:58
Speaker 2: Was happy he was in a.
2:08:59
Speaker 11: Good mood he didn't address It on thursday at morning
2:09:04
Speaker 11: skater or after the game because it, wasn't official but
2:09:07
Speaker 11: you could tell that it's sunk Into to, bear too
2:09:10
Speaker 11: that he in this group had accomplished their goal for
2:09:15
Speaker 11: the regular season to get to. The postseason and it
2:09:19
Speaker 11: was a fun morning At The Mammoth ice center the
2:09:21
Speaker 11: morning after practice or the morning after the game at
2:09:24
Speaker 11: practice that after the team clints the, PLAYOFF.
2:09:26
Speaker 3: Spot i know that there's a lot of pressure on
2:09:28
Speaker 3: the players to fulfill on, the promise right and to
2:09:31
Speaker 3: make it to. These playoffs feels Like, for bear and
2:09:35
Speaker 3: you can tell me more than it feels like, for
2:09:37
Speaker 3: him there was a lot of like more, meaningful, pressure like,
2:09:42
Speaker 3: hey man we all recognize now that this is a
2:09:46
Speaker 3: team that is definitely talented enough and has the pieces,
2:09:49
Speaker 3: in place and you've been pretty fortunate with health, this
2:09:53
Speaker 3: year and management front office MADE some i think important
2:09:57
Speaker 3: moves and some, good trades especially the Position, of wiger
2:10:01
Speaker 3: and it was kind, of like, all right the the
2:10:05
Speaker 3: building blocks. Are there now you as, the coach you
2:10:08
Speaker 3: have to assemble this thing into what it's supposed to.
2:10:11
Speaker 3: Look like and we got to a, point where not
2:10:15
Speaker 3: in like a, sinister way but when you had a
2:10:18
Speaker 3: couple unexplainable losses where there was some like side eye
2:10:22
Speaker 3: going just. Like huh we All love, bear obviously he's
2:10:26
Speaker 3: the only Coach That Utah mammoth hockey. Fans know he's
2:10:29
Speaker 3: the guy that has been so gracious with his time
2:10:32
Speaker 3: and helping be an ambassador to.
2:10:33
Speaker 2: This community so everyone.
2:10:34
Speaker 3: Loves HIM but i think you heard the insiders and
2:10:37
Speaker 3: you heard the real hockey people, saying like if you
2:10:40
Speaker 3: can't get this team as assembled to, the playoffs that
2:10:44
Speaker 3: is problematic for the coach and so for. Him especially
2:10:49
Speaker 3: it feels like there must have been a lot, of
2:10:52
Speaker 3: joy a lot, of relief maybe a feeling of alleviated
2:10:56
Speaker 3: pressure when you did Clinch.
2:10:58
Speaker 11: On thursday as, you know professional sports has expectations and
2:11:04
Speaker 11: as a competitor you. Embrace that and starting the team
2:11:11
Speaker 11: Here In, salt Lake The Smith entertainment group gives you
2:11:16
Speaker 11: everything you could possibly, ever want, every resource every item.
2:11:22
Speaker 11: Of support from a, personal standpoint you've got the best
2:11:26
Speaker 11: practice facility IN the nhl that they just threw up
2:11:28
Speaker 11: in record time and with that comes expectations that are
2:11:38
Speaker 11: you know that that are, Implied right and as a
2:11:43
Speaker 11: head coach of, a team you you realize that and
2:11:47
Speaker 11: you would one rather have that than be scrapping along
2:11:53
Speaker 11: trying to piece things together and, you know hoping that
2:11:58
Speaker 11: things are gonna. Work out when you when you've got
2:12:02
Speaker 11: everything that that has been, you know laid out for
2:12:06
Speaker 11: For the mammoth and and you're coaching that team and
2:12:09
Speaker 11: you Just Got mackenzie wieger and you've got vetrends that
2:12:13
Speaker 11: that they've pieced together to help in these, playoff runs
2:12:17
Speaker 11: you would want. Nothing more, but yeah, there's pressure like
2:12:23
Speaker 11: it's it's it's why you get into what you're doing
2:12:26
Speaker 11: because you have that, competitive spirit that competitive edge in,
2:12:32
Speaker 11: your blood and you know no.
2:12:34
Speaker 2: Other way it's what. You want but you know that
2:12:38
Speaker 2: you have to perform and you have to deliver along
2:12:43
Speaker 2: with the big time team and.
2:12:46
Speaker 3: Franchise milestone over, the weekend You Saw dylan gunther hit
2:12:51
Speaker 3: the forty. Goals mark, you, saw uh we talked about.
2:12:54
Speaker 3: This already schmaltz career high. In Points, clayton keller whose
2:12:59
Speaker 3: ROLE has i think kind of evolved a.
2:13:01
Speaker 2: Little bit he had a, big weekend Especially at.
2:13:03
Speaker 3: Nashville game three point game for, him there and you're
2:13:06
Speaker 3: seeing again the, pieces become, you know greater than the
2:13:11
Speaker 3: team is greater than the sum of. Its parts but
2:13:13
Speaker 3: those parts now are starting to really elevate into different
2:13:17
Speaker 3: conversations amongst, YOU know nhl players at their.
2:13:20
Speaker 2: Respective, positions yeah How About.
2:13:23
Speaker 11: Dylan gunther what's more Impressive For gunther the fact that
2:13:28
Speaker 11: he gets to forty goals in a season he started
2:13:31
Speaker 11: as a twenty two. Year old he just turned twenty Three,
2:13:33
Speaker 11: on friday but one of ten players since twenty twelve
2:13:36
Speaker 11: twenty thirteen to be twenty two and under at the
2:13:38
Speaker 11: start of the season he gets, forty goals or the
2:13:40
Speaker 11: fact in HIS second nhl season he has already increased
2:13:45
Speaker 11: his goal total. By thirteen he had twenty seven, last
2:13:47
Speaker 11: year which was a, good year and he's in year
2:13:49
Speaker 11: one of an eight. Year Deal nick schmaltz has been
2:13:52
Speaker 11: building on a career high end goals for the last.
2:13:54
Speaker 11: Two months he's at thirty. One Now clayton keller is
2:13:58
Speaker 11: the second hottest player in THE end nhl in the last.
2:14:01
Speaker 11: Three Weeks Only, jack hughes who scored the golden goal
2:14:04
Speaker 11: In the olympics to win the, golden medal has more
2:14:08
Speaker 11: points Than. Than keller, so yeah the last two three
2:14:14
Speaker 11: weeks building up to this mammoth offensively four plus goals
2:14:19
Speaker 11: in six, straight games and you see, the talent you
2:14:23
Speaker 11: see things, coming together and you see Guys Like kyler
2:14:25
Speaker 11: yamamoto Playing With logan Cooley And dylan gunther and being
2:14:29
Speaker 11: that perfect compliment and looking at the six defenseman who,
2:14:34
Speaker 11: YOU know i think it's top, top defense defensive core IN,
2:14:39
Speaker 11: the Nhl And cravel milk has been, pretty GOOD so
2:14:42
Speaker 11: I think i think you. Gotta like but what you've
2:14:45
Speaker 11: seen from the group headed towards that, that postseason which
2:14:49
Speaker 11: is where we're going to be next week at, this
2:14:50
Speaker 11: time that's do you?
2:14:52
Speaker 2: Believe it it's.
2:14:53
Speaker 3: Still, wild yeah we're gonna be in playoff hockey mode
2:14:57
Speaker 3: a week from, today basically but work left to.
2:15:01
Speaker 2: Be, done again we're.
2:15:03
Speaker 3: Doing this we're having our conversation On, a monday which
2:15:05
Speaker 3: is not Typical because i'm TRAVELING for Pfl action Winnipeg
2:15:10
Speaker 3: And saint louis to finish.
2:15:13
Speaker 2: It out and you got to get you've got.
2:15:14
Speaker 3: Ninety points, right now you probably get to get to
2:15:17
Speaker 3: what do you think ninety three in order to be
2:15:20
Speaker 3: securely in that wild card number.
2:15:22
Speaker 2: One spot yet magic.
2:15:24
Speaker 3: Numbers, Three Okay so Winnipeg And, saint louis can you
2:15:29
Speaker 3: get the three points?
2:15:30
Speaker 2: You, need.
2:15:32
Speaker 11: Yeah that's how you, do, It right you win your
2:15:35
Speaker 11: way in At The. Delta center would we have it any?
2:15:40
Speaker 11: Other way just like clinching a signature Game against Nashville
2:15:44
Speaker 11: on thursday could have been one of the best games of.
2:15:46
Speaker 2: The year that's how you want to.
2:15:47
Speaker 11: Go in and now after a weekend where you dropped
2:15:50
Speaker 11: a couple of GAMES, in la who's right? Behind you
2:15:53
Speaker 11: they've won. Four straight they're starting a road, trip tonight
2:15:56
Speaker 11: but there's a cats. To it They're, playing seattle They're,
2:15:58
Speaker 11: playing vancouver and They're, playing calgary three of the bottom
2:16:03
Speaker 11: four teams IN. The nhl so, you know like to
2:16:07
Speaker 11: control things for yourself and take care. Of IT but
2:16:11
Speaker 11: I think i think. They Will The delta center is
2:16:13
Speaker 11: going to. Be Juiced the mammoth are going to Understand
2:16:17
Speaker 11: that Saturday and sunday weren't. GREAT games I was i
2:16:20
Speaker 11: Was saying sunday night after, the contest after the lost
2:16:23
Speaker 11: four One, in calgary like this is this isn't. A kindergarten,
2:16:27
Speaker 11: they know they know that that. Wasn't great It wasn't
2:16:29
Speaker 11: it wasn't a. Great weekend so kind of kind of
2:16:32
Speaker 11: happened after you Clinched maybe xdale a little bit and
2:16:37
Speaker 11: then take your eye off. The, ball yeah for, the
2:16:39
Speaker 11: pucks since it's a, puck sport not a. Ball sport.
2:16:42
Speaker 11: It happens we talked ABOUT how i thought that that
2:16:44
Speaker 11: was largely in part the stuff that didn't go perfect
2:16:47
Speaker 11: during during the Month. Of march but but, Back on
2:16:49
Speaker 11: winnipeg's still fighting for a.
2:16:51
Speaker 2: Playoff spot it.
2:16:51
Speaker 11: Depends if they still will be tomorrow because they Play at,
2:16:55
Speaker 11: vegas tonight which as we look at it, right now
2:16:59
Speaker 11: looks mostly likely all of a sudden to be first round.
2:17:02
Speaker 11: Playoff Opponent so winnipeg Coming In saint louis has. Been
2:17:05
Speaker 11: eliminated but they've been pretty pesky Since the olympic.
2:17:09
Speaker 3: Break too, but well let's talk about that, playoff outlook
2:17:13
Speaker 3: because it's far. From Settled right mammoth, Could drop edmonton
2:17:18
Speaker 3: could rise Back up vegas though, right NOW if i
2:17:21
Speaker 3: guess if it, starts today which, it Doesn't it's Utah,
2:17:25
Speaker 3: versus vegas and a lot of us Were, like okay Just, avoid.
2:17:29
Speaker 2: Edmonton get Away. From edmonton Don't play edmonton in the
2:17:32
Speaker 2: first round of.
2:17:33
Speaker 3: These Playoffs is vegas a significantly better matchup For The
2:17:39
Speaker 3: utah mammoth because when we started having, those conversations we,
2:17:42
Speaker 3: were thinking you'd Rather, have anaheim you'd Rather.
2:17:45
Speaker 2: Have, anaheim well now it's a.
2:17:46
Speaker 11: Different team the biggest thing is that they Don't have,
2:17:49
Speaker 11: connor McDavid and that's that's been.
2:17:53
Speaker 2: A struggle to end, the story it is the manage.
2:17:55
Speaker 2: Him Right the mammoth Have.
2:17:58
Speaker 11: Beaten vegas they had To outscore edmonton to beat him
2:18:02
Speaker 11: for the first time ever, last week which is not not.
2:18:06
Speaker 11: The recipe really won in a seven game. Playoff series
2:18:10
Speaker 11: that's that's. A, lot yeah.
2:18:13
Speaker 3: You don't you don't want to have to play overtime
2:18:15
Speaker 3: hockey night after Night against conor McDavid and A returning Leon.
2:18:22
Speaker 11: Dry sidle though we may want to look at some
2:18:24
Speaker 11: Videotape from SATURDAY in la When the kings shut Out
2:18:28
Speaker 11: the oilers by account of.
2:18:30
Speaker 2: One nothing.
2:18:33
Speaker 11: Not really sure how that, possibly happened but It allowed
2:18:36
Speaker 11: vegas to take over. First, place mamma the fad Success.
2:18:40
Speaker 11: Against vegas.
2:18:43
Speaker 2: You want?
2:18:43
Speaker 11: THAT matchup i think for a number. Of reasons, number
2:18:46
Speaker 11: One know. Conor McDavis we. Talked about, number two the
2:18:51
Speaker 11: logistics getting back and forth is easier than getting up
2:18:54
Speaker 11: to the northern Prairies. Of alberta vegas is still a
2:18:57
Speaker 11: team that Won A stanley cup championship in twenty, twenty
2:19:00
Speaker 11: three and they've got a lot of, those players and
2:19:02
Speaker 11: they made that coaching change and since they did their
2:19:07
Speaker 11: five oho, and one they just Beat the avs and.
2:19:10
Speaker 2: In Overtime so vegas is a.
2:19:11
Speaker 5: Good.
2:19:12
Speaker 3: Team uh.
2:19:15
Speaker 11: As we said, last Time the mammoth played them like something's,
2:19:18
Speaker 11: wrong here something, is off and they made a. Coaching
2:19:21
Speaker 11: change so they've they've they've. Been better they they've beaten
2:19:25
Speaker 11: a Lot of Calgary. In vancouver so but but they Did,
2:19:28
Speaker 11: beat colorado Did, Beat edmondson so they do have some good.
2:19:31
Speaker 11: Wins there it's not their fault what their what their
2:19:33
Speaker 11: schedule has been since they've gotten a. New coach though
2:19:36
Speaker 11: sometimes when you make a, coaching change you look at the, schedule,
2:19:39
Speaker 11: like okay this will set things up to make everything
2:19:41
Speaker 11: look look.
2:19:43
Speaker 2: Really good But but vegas.
2:19:44
Speaker 11: Has challenged they got that that pedigree of winning a
2:19:48
Speaker 11: championship and having that. Playoff experience SO, one A, ONE
2:19:52
Speaker 11: b I take Vegas. Over edmonton not saying that there's
2:19:56
Speaker 11: a clear cut, advantage there but it a couple little
2:20:01
Speaker 11: micro elements that that would be better.
2:20:04
Speaker 1: For me.
2:20:07
Speaker 2: You're gonna start growing a. Playoff, BEARD no i just it.
2:20:11
Speaker 2: Just doesn't it. Doesn't work it, doesn't, WORK man i
2:20:15
Speaker 2: just it.
2:20:16
Speaker 11: Doesn't Work i'm i'm one of those guys that if,
2:20:22
Speaker 11: you KNOW if, I don't i don't shave in the summer.
2:20:25
Speaker 11: Every day as, you've, Seen right you've SEEN that i
2:20:28
Speaker 11: can look hip and cool for maybe a week, like,
2:20:33
Speaker 11: that right and then it just.
2:20:35
Speaker 2: Doesn't work it's got.
2:20:36
Speaker 3: To end as soon as it gets past like the
2:20:38
Speaker 3: five o'clock, shadowy double.
2:20:40
Speaker 2: Then you're just.
2:20:41
Speaker 11: Losing it it's got. To End so I've never i've
2:20:44
Speaker 11: Never grown i've never grown.
2:20:45
Speaker 2: THE beard I just i just it it just. DOESN'T
2:20:49
Speaker 2: work i can leave it.
2:20:50
Speaker 3: AT That i i'm actually really interested TO see i
2:20:54
Speaker 3: know this is like a very far down the list
2:20:57
Speaker 3: of important things to talk about with you with you, tell,
2:20:59
Speaker 3: me man but you got to put it like super
2:21:02
Speaker 3: young guys on this team that probably don't grow a,
2:21:06
Speaker 3: great beard and like What Is logan cooley's playoff beard
2:21:10
Speaker 3: gonna look like What Is dylan gunther's playoff beard gonna
2:21:13
Speaker 3: look like a. Little Better clayton keller is not exactly a,
2:21:17
Speaker 3: beard guy so you might you might be the only
2:21:20
Speaker 3: team skating In The stanley cup playoffs that's got like
2:21:23
Speaker 3: half bearded.
2:21:24
Speaker 2: Teenage faces might have some, stringy beards you Know what i'm.
2:21:27
Speaker 2: Talking About.
2:21:30
Speaker 3: Spicy tuna is gonna have to shave his off and
2:21:33
Speaker 3: like glue it onto somebody else because then he'll be
2:21:35
Speaker 3: able to regrow in just a.
2:21:36
Speaker 2: Few, days yeah about a? Half?
2:21:38
Speaker 5: Hour?
2:21:39
Speaker 2: Good uh VEGGIE got i think a much needed rest
2:21:45
Speaker 2: day in the.
2:21:46
Speaker 3: Bad weekend, and people if you, Don't Know correva melca
2:21:51
Speaker 3: is playing a lot in goal For This utah mammoth
2:21:54
Speaker 3: team for. Obvious reasons he's second right now IN the nhl.
2:21:58
Speaker 3: In wins it's been a it's been a good year.
2:22:00
Speaker 5: For him.
2:22:03
Speaker 3: As you finish out these final, two games you kind
2:22:05
Speaker 3: of need your best in, The goal, i'm assuming and
2:22:08
Speaker 3: then obviously in the playoffs you're gonna ride it until
2:22:11
Speaker 3: the wheels.
2:22:11
Speaker 2: Fall off have they managed? Him enough? Is he what's
2:22:16
Speaker 2: his body like? Right now you're closer to the team
2:22:19
Speaker 2: you're down.
2:22:19
Speaker 3: At Practice can vamelka hold up after a long season
2:22:26
Speaker 3: where he's been kind of.
2:22:27
Speaker 2: Overused relative to some other goaldies in. The, league yeah
2:22:32
Speaker 2: you mentioned some of.
2:22:33
Speaker 11: The numbers thirty, seven wins SECOND, the nhl sixty two
2:22:36
Speaker 11: games played first IN, the nhl first IN, the nhl
2:22:38
Speaker 11: in minutes second IN, the nhl and Shots face, so
2:22:42
Speaker 11: yeah he's he's, been there but it's his it's his
2:22:46
Speaker 11: crease rest of. The way i'd expect him to start
2:22:50
Speaker 11: Tomorrow and thursday to wrap up the, regular season and
2:22:53
Speaker 11: then it's all him in. The playoffs so if all, goes,
2:22:57
Speaker 11: Well uh sunday night will be the last we've seen
2:22:59
Speaker 11: a vtail fanachick this year because if he, comes in
2:23:02
Speaker 11: it's going to be in a playoff game where things have,
2:23:05
Speaker 11: gone south is the plan. For me and the good
2:23:09
Speaker 11: thing about playoffs you're not playing back. To backs you're
2:23:13
Speaker 11: playing every, other day maybe with two, days rest and
2:23:17
Speaker 11: And the mammoth have been good in those positions three
2:23:20
Speaker 11: seven and one in back to backs. This year those
2:23:22
Speaker 11: are done thirty seven and five when you're playing on
2:23:26
Speaker 11: one or two.
2:23:26
Speaker 3: Days rest, let's see they busted Out, the zamoth they
2:23:33
Speaker 3: Introduced the. Tusk mug we're gonna get, anything new anything
2:23:37
Speaker 3: special for.
2:23:38
Speaker 2: The playoffs We.
2:23:40
Speaker 11: Had, chris armstrong President Of, hockey Operations On Hockey night
2:23:43
Speaker 11: UTAH on Tv, on Saturday And kim becker was poking and,
2:23:47
Speaker 11: prodding yeah and he, said yes, and uh. You'll SEE
2:23:54
Speaker 11: so I think i think there's some some fun stuff
2:23:58
Speaker 11: in store For The delta center to take it to
2:24:01
Speaker 11: that playoff level for the first time ever Here In.
2:24:04
Speaker 3: Salt LAKE so i think when we got the announcement
2:24:08
Speaker 3: that the franchise was Coming To Salt, lake city when
2:24:13
Speaker 3: you work in, sports media you get a little bit
2:24:16
Speaker 3: even if you try, not to you get a little
2:24:18
Speaker 3: bit jaded to how special sports, can, Be right and
2:24:24
Speaker 3: that took me back to LIKE when i was a
2:24:26
Speaker 3: little kid and you were TALKING about, i mean my
2:24:29
Speaker 3: grandparents were living In The bay area When the sharks
2:24:32
Speaker 3: became a Team In, san JOSE and i remember just the, Fascination,
2:24:36
Speaker 3: of oh, my gosh there's going to be a brand.
2:24:38
Speaker 3: New team and we Had the marlins in those days. In,
2:24:42
Speaker 3: baseball wow there's going to be a brand. New team
2:24:45
Speaker 3: you Got The vancouver grizzlies And The, toronto raptors and
2:24:48
Speaker 3: Obviously the grizzlies din't Stay, in vancouver but it took
2:24:51
Speaker 3: me back to being a. Little kid we're going to
2:24:53
Speaker 3: get a new team in, this market in, my hometown in.
2:24:57
Speaker 3: Our market AND then i attended the very, first game
2:25:01
Speaker 3: AND that i tell people all the time that is a,
2:25:05
Speaker 3: top three maybe four Sports memory i've ever had.
2:25:10
Speaker 2: Relative to the State, of utah like and just relative
2:25:14
Speaker 2: to my own.
2:25:15
Speaker 3: Life period it was one of the coolest things to,
2:25:17
Speaker 3: be there Sold, out arena get the win in the,
2:25:20
Speaker 3: first game in the existence of this brand new. Hockey
2:25:23
Speaker 3: team and it feels like that with playoff hockey coming
2:25:27
Speaker 3: for the, first time because it's this thing that you've
2:25:30
Speaker 3: watched and you've talked about and you've never, really experienced
2:25:33
Speaker 3: so you can't fully. Understand it and now we get
2:25:36
Speaker 3: to start building that understanding as a hockey Community In
2:25:39
Speaker 3: salt lake because it's.
2:25:40
Speaker 2: Actually happening how many.
2:25:42
Speaker 11: Times over the years has there Been a game seven
2:25:45
Speaker 11: in the playoffs and Everybody on twitter, is like do
2:25:48
Speaker 11: yourself a favor and turn this on as they watch
2:25:51
Speaker 11: their first hockey game of, the, year, Too right and
2:25:54
Speaker 11: then they do it again the next year when they
2:25:56
Speaker 11: watch their next. Hockey game but it's It's electric, and
2:26:02
Speaker 11: gosh was it ever weird last year when we didn't
2:26:05
Speaker 11: make the playoffs watching two months of playoff hockey and
2:26:09
Speaker 11: seeing that and thinking what it was going to be
2:26:13
Speaker 11: like when it. Comes here and then we know how
2:26:16
Speaker 11: we do things. Around here we've seen it With the
2:26:21
Speaker 11: jazz on those championship runs and in the playoffs and
2:26:24
Speaker 11: the last time the playoffs were In The delta center
2:26:26
Speaker 11: in twenty, Twenty, two like it's it's a, thing here
2:26:31
Speaker 11: and then you ADD the nhl element to it and
2:26:36
Speaker 11: what we've seen and what that place. Has become it's
2:26:39
Speaker 11: a rock show. Every night it is. Absolutely berserk like,
2:26:45
Speaker 11: for me none of this has sunk. IN yet i
2:26:47
Speaker 11: don't know that it ever will well.
2:26:49
Speaker 2: Might not till we get actual.
2:26:50
Speaker 3: Playoff, Hockey yeah i'm gonna do something really unfair because
2:26:54
Speaker 3: we've got like. Ninety seconds But The utah grizzlies have
2:26:58
Speaker 3: played their last game as, a franchise and obviously they
2:27:01
Speaker 3: laid a LONG and i think really important foundation for
2:27:04
Speaker 3: hockey in the state playing out At The maverick center
2:27:08
Speaker 3: for a long time and whatever it was called, before
2:27:11
Speaker 3: that and, you Know to bummer to see, him go
2:27:14
Speaker 3: and you've been closer to that franchise than any. Of
2:27:16
Speaker 3: us so just, real quick your thoughts On the grizzlies ending.
2:27:20
Speaker 11: Their run IT'S where i started, in hockey is an
2:27:24
Speaker 11: INTERN in o two and to be the play by
2:27:26
Speaker 11: play announcer for, thirteen years and in twenty EIGHTEEN when,
2:27:30
Speaker 11: i got, you know opportunity of, a lifetime which Is
2:27:33
Speaker 11: why i'm.
2:27:34
Speaker 2: BACK here i.
2:27:37
Speaker 11: Cried my eyes out for weeks leaving KNOWING that i
2:27:41
Speaker 11: like that was it was such a part OF who
2:27:45
Speaker 11: i was AND who, i became and, you know it's
2:27:48
Speaker 11: an organization that. It's specials It Was West valley. City's
2:27:53
Speaker 11: team it was the neighborhood team, over there and there
2:27:57
Speaker 11: were fans from throughout the valley that had cheered on
2:28:01
Speaker 11: that team for three plus decades and people that had
2:28:03
Speaker 11: worked at the arena that, you know we're part of
2:28:07
Speaker 11: the fabric and. The identity and it was a, hockey
2:28:09
Speaker 11: team and it was a first daid activity and it's
2:28:12
Speaker 11: where kids had birthday parties and they had postgame skates with,
2:28:16
Speaker 11: the players and it was it was it was a.
2:28:21
Speaker 11: Great THING and i, you KNOW when I left i'd
2:28:23
Speaker 11: always followed, the TEAM and i just love cheering On
2:28:26
Speaker 11: the grizzlies and for my family Here In salt lake
2:28:29
Speaker 11: now going To a grizzlies game On a sunday observe
2:28:33
Speaker 11: with my niece and nephew and my Brother on friday
2:28:36
Speaker 11: night to, say goodbye the last NIGHT that i could
2:28:39
Speaker 11: make it to, a game and it was. For me there,
2:28:43
Speaker 11: wasn't tears because all the tears were cried out in
2:28:47
Speaker 11: twenty EIGHTEEN when, i left but it was It was
2:28:51
Speaker 11: it was hard seeing how much the team meant to so,
2:28:55
Speaker 11: many PEOPLE and i could see it in their eyes
2:28:57
Speaker 11: that it was coming to. An end and and my
2:29:01
Speaker 11: message has been the three decades of Memories from, grizzlies
2:29:05
Speaker 11: hockey it's going to live with, you forever and it's
2:29:08
Speaker 11: going to bring you. Happiness forever and the memories have,
2:29:14
Speaker 11: been made and the last game has, been played and
2:29:17
Speaker 11: the team went out. On, top unfortunately they couldn't make
2:29:20
Speaker 11: it seven. Straight wins they lost in overtime after erasing
2:29:24
Speaker 11: a four to, one deficit, uh yesterday but great crowds
2:29:28
Speaker 11: and the organization over there went out. On TOP and
2:29:31
Speaker 11: i was really. Really impressed which is the, game presentation the,
2:29:35
Speaker 11: fans support and the way that they were filling Filling
2:29:39
Speaker 11: The maverick center over there until the. Very ends they
2:29:42
Speaker 11: went out. On top and, you, know, my my my
2:29:45
Speaker 11: hearts with everybody who's crushed today because it's, it's over
2:29:50
Speaker 11: because there's so many people that that love, that team
2:29:53
Speaker 11: shared on, that team worked for, that team worked with
2:29:56
Speaker 11: that team that have avoid. Right now but the good
2:30:00
Speaker 11: times and, the, MEMORIES hopefully i think if you think back,
2:30:03
Speaker 11: at those you can never can never have those.
2:30:06
Speaker 3: Go Away so grizzlies, weirdly like thank you for, Your,
2:30:10
Speaker 3: service grizzlies because it was awesome having that team be
2:30:13
Speaker 3: part of.
2:30:14
Speaker 2: The COMMUNITY and i.
2:30:15
Speaker 3: GET it nhl showed up and all of us immediately
2:30:18
Speaker 3: turned our eyes To the mammoth and that's just, gonna
2:30:20
Speaker 3: happen but we won't.
2:30:22
Speaker 2: Forget.
2:30:22
Speaker 3: You grizzlies thank you for. Your time it was awesome
2:30:25
Speaker 3: having you out There In West. Valley city adrian always
2:30:28
Speaker 3: love checking in with, You man thanks for. Being here,
2:30:30
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Speaker 2: Your weekend it.
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Speaker 3: WAS awesome i Was in CHICAGO for Pfl, until saturday
2:32:11
Speaker 3: AND then i came back for a little visit with,
2:32:14
Speaker 3: the fam And then i'm Off to belfast again and
2:32:17
Speaker 3: we're just jet setting.
2:32:20
Speaker 2: Right now, but yeah it's a, good weekend, you know
2:32:24
Speaker 2: just grinding On.
2:32:25
Speaker 10: The Masters, oh NO when i, WAS watching i could only, Think,
2:32:28
Speaker 10: OF man i Wonder what sean would say about. That
2:32:30
Speaker 10: approach what do you have gone with the forty eight
2:32:33
Speaker 10: degree of the?
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Speaker 2: Fifty two You know i'm a fifty. TWO guys i know.
2:32:36
Speaker 10: You are THAT'S why i didn't think about. It long
2:32:39
Speaker 10: did you get you will never see me swing of forty?
2:32:41
Speaker 2: EIGHT never i know that.
2:32:43
Speaker 10: About YOU but i wonder if the listeners KNOW that i.
2:32:45
Speaker 3: Can guarantee all of you out there you are never
2:32:47
Speaker 3: going to see me swing that forty.
2:32:49
Speaker 2: Eight degree let me throw a scenario.
2:32:51
Speaker 10: At, you okay you're one sixty, Six, out, okay yeah
2:32:55
Speaker 10: got about fifteen degree wind right, to left a little
2:32:58
Speaker 10: against you right. To left it's, the afternoon. Not morning
2:33:02
Speaker 10: you're playing at, sea level. Not elevation. What club let's
2:33:08
Speaker 10: say you're.
2:33:08
Speaker 2: At beach you know we can we can.
2:33:11
Speaker 10: Go pebble we'll go pebble because you're at sea level
2:33:13
Speaker 10: right right to left against you a.
2:33:15
Speaker 2: Little bit.
2:33:17
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit it. South paw you're gonna go. Left
2:33:19
Speaker 3: handed i'm Gonna go i'm gonna. Switch stances i'm gonna hit.
2:33:22
Speaker 10: South paw which? Club, though uh, You know i'm gonna.
2:33:26
Speaker 10: Go seven you're gonna hit a seven iron? Left hand.
2:33:30
Speaker 6: You?
2:33:30
Speaker 9: KNOW what i?
2:33:31
Speaker 2: LIKE that i like.
2:33:32
Speaker 4: That?
2:33:32
Speaker 10: Play okay do you do you keep clubs in your
2:33:35
Speaker 10: bag that are both for both right and left? Handed
2:33:37
Speaker 10: players carry? Two bags you carry. Two, bags see this
2:33:41
Speaker 10: is why you go low all.
2:33:42
Speaker 5: The.
2:33:42
Speaker 10: Time yeah did you Get good? Chicago?
2:33:44
Speaker 2: Weather?
2:33:45
Speaker 3: Uh yes, and no Okay that's chicago on. The, spring
2:33:48
Speaker 3: yeah so UH they i, landed BEAUTIFUL although i. Landed
2:33:53
Speaker 3: late it had been a, beautiful day but, you know
2:33:56
Speaker 3: it was a. Nice night and then the way And
2:34:01
Speaker 3: Day Fighter meetings day was forecast to be about fifty
2:34:06
Speaker 3: five degrees ended up being about forty. Two degrees went
2:34:10
Speaker 3: out To the cubs. Game, anyway oh you toughed it Out,
2:34:13
Speaker 3: at wrigley which. Was awesome and then fight day. Was,
2:34:18
Speaker 3: Beautiful good so got a little bit Of.
2:34:20
Speaker 10: Each chicago is a TOP five us city when the weather.
2:34:24
Speaker 5: Is.
2:34:24
Speaker 3: GOOD yeah I like chicago. A lot i have family
2:34:27
Speaker 3: there and a lot of great Memories. In Chicago The,
2:34:31
Speaker 3: river walk all. That stuff it's a it's. Cool, place yeah.
2:34:34
Speaker 2: It's. Nice YEAH can i ask you something about?
2:34:37
Speaker 3: My world did you see the highlights OF the ufc fight,
2:34:41
Speaker 3: this weekend the title Fight Where carlos oldberg won the
2:34:44
Speaker 3: light heavyweight championship after TEARING.
2:34:47
Speaker 2: HIS ac. I, did yeah that video is making.
2:34:49
Speaker 10: The rounds.
2:34:50
Speaker 3: That's wild if you haven't, seen it even if you're
2:34:53
Speaker 3: had a, fight fan go. Watch It, carlos oldberg who is, this,
2:34:57
Speaker 3: big strapping handsome kid simone kid who lives and Trains
2:35:02
Speaker 3: In new Zealand Fighting, yeri prahashka who's like a modern,
2:35:07
Speaker 3: day samurai this insane.
2:35:08
Speaker 2: Check guy he's wild and he TEARS.
2:35:12
Speaker 3: His acl visibly compromised leg for minutes in the round
2:35:19
Speaker 3: and his opponent does not pounce and try to. Kill,
2:35:24
Speaker 3: him yeah he's, just like, all, right well we're still
2:35:26
Speaker 3: just going to fight how we've, Been fighting and the
2:35:28
Speaker 3: only way you could lose in that moment is wading
2:35:31
Speaker 3: into the pocket against the now.
2:35:33
Speaker 2: Wounded animal and that's exactly.
2:35:35
Speaker 3: What Happened So carlos olberg is the new light heavyweight
2:35:38
Speaker 3: champion OF the ufc on.
2:35:39
Speaker 10: One leg do you think the guy was aware that he?
2:35:41
Speaker 2: Was hobbled he had to. Be, right yeah he's a,
2:35:45
Speaker 2: weird guy so.
2:35:45
Speaker 3: HE'S like i wanted to show mercy because, you know
2:35:48
Speaker 3: we're both warriors.
2:35:50
Speaker 2: And evere everyone else is just, like nope that.
2:35:54
Speaker 6: Was.
2:35:54
Speaker 10: Dumb yeah and and the guy WHO tours acl he
2:35:57
Speaker 10: Said he's. Polly, right, yeah yeah, come on you got
2:36:01
Speaker 10: to attack because if there's if there's a group, of
2:36:04
Speaker 10: folk they can get by where THEY'RE torn acl and
2:36:08
Speaker 10: still knock your. Head off it's, the POLIES as i,
2:36:10
Speaker 10: always say when when the, simulation ends when the, aliens
2:36:14
Speaker 10: invade when The zombie i'm rolling. With, them man you
2:36:17
Speaker 10: can find me over there with them the rest. Of
2:36:18
Speaker 10: you we're going to be the last. Group alive that's a. Good,
2:36:21
Speaker 10: idea yeah you got. To, pounce yeah that video was making.
2:36:24
Speaker 10: The rounds didn't watch the, entire fight but these days stuff.
2:36:27
Speaker 10: Like that, you know the algorithm feeds it.
2:36:30
Speaker 2: To, you yeah fed it to.
2:36:31
Speaker 3: Me too we our fights were at the, same TIME
2:36:33
Speaker 3: so i didn't, see it AND then i did see IT.
2:36:35
Speaker 2: And i, was like, Holy cow yeah that's.
2:36:37
Speaker 5: Really.
2:36:37
Speaker 3: Something, yeah uh twenty two and sixty the final record
2:36:41
Speaker 3: for The touch.
2:36:42
Speaker 10: As they just missed the. Playoffs again they're just, you
2:36:45
Speaker 10: know final day lost To the lakers probably cost them a. Playoff,
2:36:48
Speaker 10: spot yeah this. Is it Four, YEARS yeah i mean
2:36:52
Speaker 10: they were eliminated about four. Months ago four years of
2:36:55
Speaker 10: a clunky at times decision making process to try to
2:36:59
Speaker 10: get this thing back where it needs. To be but
2:37:02
Speaker 10: you can you can see that it's crystallizing a.
2:37:05
Speaker 2: Little bit.
2:37:07
Speaker 10: What's realistic to expect for them next year in a
2:37:11
Speaker 10: conference that has, You Know oklahoma City And san antonio
2:37:15
Speaker 10: for a while are going to be on their.
2:37:16
Speaker 2: Own, tier yeah, you know And then denver's still going to.
2:37:20
Speaker 10: Be good as Long as jokic doesn't go drink beer
2:37:22
Speaker 10: and race horses and wants to, play basketball they're going to.
2:37:24
Speaker 10: Be fine Houston gets Fred van vliet back, next year
2:37:28
Speaker 10: so they're going to. BE tough i Think the lakers
2:37:31
Speaker 10: are going To let lebron walk and start to Rebuild
2:37:33
Speaker 10: around Luke And austin reeves if they make the PLAY
2:37:37
Speaker 10: in i don't to expect them to go top six
2:37:41
Speaker 10: after being bottom two or three. IS tough i think
2:37:44
Speaker 10: if they make the play in next year and win
2:37:46
Speaker 10: forty five forty, eight GAMES and i think forty, EIGHT
2:37:49
Speaker 10: even i think forty five is. Probably peak but at
2:37:52
Speaker 10: least they're going to be front facing and serious about trying.
2:37:55
Speaker 2: TO win i think people.
2:37:56
Speaker 3: Would be over the moon about a playing team.
2:37:58
Speaker 2: Next.
2:37:58
Speaker 10: Year, yeah yeah you hear some of the propaganda from
2:38:02
Speaker 10: media members to work, over, there, like hey Outside Of
2:38:05
Speaker 10: jan antonio, and okay see we're right, there now That's
2:38:07
Speaker 10: not we don't Know If Jaron jackson Junior Or larry
2:38:10
Speaker 10: marketing can play. Together consistently it looked really good in.
2:38:13
Speaker 10: Three games we got to see what the draft asset
2:38:16
Speaker 10: turns into if they can get a top four pick
2:38:18
Speaker 10: add one of these top four. YOUNG kids, I mean
2:38:20
Speaker 10: i think they're gonna be a lot of fun to watch.
2:38:21
Speaker 3: Next year and, guess what you get to hold your
2:38:24
Speaker 3: breath for that draft lottery to play out the Way
2:38:27
Speaker 3: the jazz. Wanted to but that's not all you get
2:38:30
Speaker 3: to Watch Because Utah mammoth playoff hockey will, be happening
2:38:33
Speaker 3: which is the most exciting thing that has happened in
2:38:35
Speaker 3: this state for a.
2:38:37
Speaker 2: Long time is.
2:38:38
Speaker 10: There still a chance they can Fall to. Wildcard, two
2:38:41
Speaker 10: yes there. Still is they need to score three points
2:38:43
Speaker 10: in these next, two GAMES or i guess it Would
2:38:47
Speaker 10: be anaheim could. Jump up but, You know I've got
2:38:53
Speaker 10: i've got a lot of trust in them finishing out
2:38:56
Speaker 10: the right way because they've been finishing out the.
2:38:58
Speaker 2: Right Way so wildcar Two.
2:39:00
Speaker 10: Gets, colorado Yeah wild card one Probably, gets Edmonton. Maybe
2:39:05
Speaker 10: vegas vegas is now the favorite.
2:39:07
Speaker 3: If things go like if it, started today Would.
2:39:09
Speaker 10: Be vegas well that's obviously who.
2:39:11
Speaker 5: You want.
2:39:12
Speaker 2: You want you don't want. Coddor, McDavid no.
2:39:14
Speaker 3: You don't and even though you Just, beat edmonton you
2:39:17
Speaker 3: still don't want to have to face him in a seven.
2:39:19
Speaker 8: Game.
2:39:19
Speaker 3: Series, Yep uh vegas is a good, team too but
2:39:23
Speaker 3: that's you're in. The playoffs you're not going to get any.
2:39:25
Speaker 3: Easy outs so, Uh yeah vegas would.
2:39:28
Speaker 10: Be, nice well and if they could Somehow get Anaheim
2:39:31
Speaker 10: or vegas and get an upset in the, first round
2:39:34
Speaker 10: because one of the conversations we've always had since the
2:39:37
Speaker 10: team came here is who is? THEIR rival i think,
2:39:39
Speaker 10: in hockey rivals are determined in. Playoff matchups and if
2:39:44
Speaker 10: you Could get colorado in like the second round or
2:39:47
Speaker 10: Maybe The western. Conference finals see THAT'S where i start
2:39:50
Speaker 10: to see like the birth of what could turn Into
2:39:52
Speaker 10: Be UTAH colorado Nhl rival but you got to start
2:39:56
Speaker 10: meeting to show them in, the playoffs just.
2:39:58
Speaker 3: Like The utah University of Utah versus University of. Colorado
2:40:02
Speaker 3: rivalry it, is organic, en robust was not forced down
2:40:07
Speaker 3: our throat. At all Excellent comp, all right stay tuned
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