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  Speaker 1: East reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the most arrogant decision yet by the Albanize government's
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  Speaker 2: religious crusade against nuclear power, plus the ABC's anti Israel
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  Speaker 2: bias claiming a terrorist rocket attack that killed a dozen
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  Speaker 2: children who used in Israel could have been an Israeli
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  Speaker 2: rocket instead, no wonder. Former ABC chairman night of Butos
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  Speaker 2: today warned the ABC do you have to be so biased?
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  Speaker 2: And can you pol be right that the Abza governor
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  Speaker 2: is now trailing the coalition and heading to defeat. Also tonight,
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  Speaker 2: the Paris Olympics mocks Christianity like it never would dare
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  Speaker 2: mock Islam? And so much more tonight, including could childhoodless
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  Speaker 2: cat ladies now defeat Donald Trump? Big controversy in America
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  Speaker 2: strangely enough, or that a much more coming up. But
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  Speaker 2: first let me get this straight. Anthony Alberanzi wants Barnaby
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  Speaker 2: Joyce sacked, but not Andrew Giles, and I'm gonna ask
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  Speaker 2: is he having us on? Apparently he thinks Barnaby Joyce's
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  Speaker 2: Magel metaphor is much worse than just putting Australians in danger,
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  Speaker 2: even got one elderly woman bashed. And this has to
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  Speaker 2: be a joke. Today, Anthony Alberanzi finally found someone who'd
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  Speaker 2: done something that he had considered a sackable offense, and
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  Speaker 2: it was Barnaby Joyce, the Nationals front bencher, using a
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  Speaker 2: stupid metaphor to a rural crowd to get them to
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  Speaker 2: vote against the Albaneze government, and three of its members
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  Speaker 2: vote against them and their crazy plan to waste billions
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  Speaker 2: on hideous wind farms.
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  Speaker 3: And the bullet you have is that little piece of
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  Speaker 3: paper and.
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  Speaker 2: It goes in the magazine called the voting box, and
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  Speaker 2: it's coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Get ready to load that magazine. Go goodbye Chris, goodbye Stephen,
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  Speaker 3: goodbye albo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean Barnaby Joyce mentioned bullets to a
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  Speaker 2: rural crowd as an analogy for voting to alban EASi.
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  Speaker 2: This is violent talk and maybe even incitement to assassination.
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  Speaker 2: Joyce had to go.
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  Speaker 4: Pety Dutness had four reshuffles, he should have a fifth,
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  Speaker 4: and Barnaby Joyce should go. This is the sort of
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  Speaker 4: language which has no place in any part of Australian society,
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  Speaker 4: let alone in public life.
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  Speaker 5: What does this bloke have to do to lose his job?
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  Speaker 2: Now? I think the analogy that Joyce used was a
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  Speaker 2: bit stupid and not least because yes, indeed, it could
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  Speaker 2: be misunderstood, deliberately misunderstood by labor and the gotcha crowd.
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  Speaker 2: So Joyce's apologized.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, here we go, I apologize for using that metaphor.
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  Speaker 2: Now Peter Dutton, of course is not going to have
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  Speaker 2: sacked Barnaby Joe's not for that. But what about the
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  Speaker 2: hypocrisy here? Albani's wants Joyce sacked at the very same
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  Speaker 2: time that has just refused himself to sack probably his
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  Speaker 2: most disastrous minister, Andrew Giles, and then reshuffle announced yesterday
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  Speaker 2: of his ministers. So let us compare these to men.
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  Speaker 2: Albany says Bonnaby Joyce should be sacked for using this
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  Speaker 2: tortured analogy bullets voting no one hurt, but Albaniz He says,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Giles must not be sacked from his team, even though,
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  Speaker 2: as an immigration minister has brought in more immigrants than
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  Speaker 2: we could possibly handle, nearly a million in two years.
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  Speaker 2: He's also led out hundreds and hundreds of foreign criminals,
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  Speaker 2: even murderers, from detention and without proper supervision, leading allegedly
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  Speaker 2: to the savage bashing of Pensionnetteans and Charles also falsely claimed, well,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry, he is actually tracking these free detainee criminals
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  Speaker 2: with drones. Wrong and every time he's stuffed up he
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  Speaker 2: hid from the media too scared to speak. So now
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  Speaker 2: comparing Barnaby Joyce, former Deputy Prime Minister, with Andrew Giles,
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  Speaker 2: hopeless immigration minister, no question which one of those two
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  Speaker 2: should be sacked. But Charles was not. Albaniza yesterday and
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  Speaker 2: said moved his mate Giles out of the Immigration portfolio
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  Speaker 2: to become our Minister for Skills and Training. Shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: out of his ear, out on his ear from the
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  Speaker 2: whole ministry. No is still going to be a minister.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: What the labor MPs who really do have talent, but
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  Speaker 2: no minister real job was made of this Andrew Charter,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, the finance guru in Labor, well what they
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  Speaker 2: make of it, heaven knows. And here's Albani's yesterday pretending
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  Speaker 2: it well, there wasn't any real reason of him to
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  Speaker 2: move Charles out of Immigration. There's nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: his stuff. Ups.
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  Speaker 6: Why did you move Andrew Charles from.
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  Speaker 4: The portfolio because there's a reshuffle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it was pure chance. Gotcha, I mean, does he
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  Speaker 2: think we're idiots? I think he does now. It's true
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  Speaker 2: three ministers had indeed resigned, including failed indigenous transmits into Bernie,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no doubt that this reshuffle was an admission
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  Speaker 2: of the Albanese in government's embarrassing failures in immigration. Not
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  Speaker 2: only was Charles shifted, but so was his senior minister,
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  Speaker 2: Clear O'Neil. She was demoted out of Home Affairs to
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  Speaker 2: be Minister for Housing. Dealing with the house in christis
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  Speaker 2: ironically caused by the massive number of immigrants that she
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  Speaker 2: and Charles are just let in call it karma. But
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  Speaker 2: it seems from this that if you are an Albanezi mate,
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  Speaker 2: you're never going to get sacked. But if you're not,
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  Speaker 2: good luck to you. I mean Bill Shorten left to
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  Speaker 2: rot with the National Disability Insurance Ministry until he too
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  Speaker 2: will need a zimmer frame a ten times the market price.
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  Speaker 2: We're Environment Minister Leadership Braval another one tenure Pleivsik, who's
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  Speaker 2: far as Albaneza is concerned, can go talk to the
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  Speaker 2: trees as long as she likes. But the biggest mover
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  Speaker 2: in this reshuffle, the biggest winner by far is Tony Burke.
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  Speaker 2: And that's after is already given the unions every single
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  Speaker 2: thing they could want as in Employment and Workplace Relations Minister.
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  Speaker 2: So he's now being rewarded with about as many portfolios
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  Speaker 2: as Scott Morrison gave himself. Minister for Home Affairs, Minister
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  Speaker 2: for Cybersecurity, Minister for Immigration, Minister for the Arts which
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  Speaker 2: gives you free tickets to everywhere, and manager of government
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  Speaker 2: business with one bound. Burke has become a real leadership contender.
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  Speaker 2: If Albanizi falls over about that, a man who just
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  Speaker 2: gave the unions whatever they wanted, even scraped the building
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  Speaker 2: watchdog that the corruptcy if EMUU construction union had demanded
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  Speaker 2: that labor get off its back. How did that work out?
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  Speaker 2: This man who strangled productivity and has now overseeing the
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  Speaker 2: fastest rate ever recorded of his hospitality outlet's going broke.
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  Speaker 2: He is now rewarded with a mass of promotion. He's
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  Speaker 2: not sacked either. So yes, in Elbow's world, it's birk
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  Speaker 2: up and Barnaby out, because mentioning the word bullet in
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  Speaker 2: a mangled speech is so much worse than actually putting
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  Speaker 2: a bullet in This economy and Apparently it seems much
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  Speaker 2: worse than what Albanezi himself yelled out at a woman
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  Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 7: To get a member for Ballarat Sash on a point
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  Speaker 7: of order, to get a member for Balarat Smash on.
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  Speaker 3: A point of order. Thank you in order to demand
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  Speaker 3: of Balarat unboidable.
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  Speaker 2: Hypocrite twice over, joined miscone's political editor Andrew Clenell. Andrew Clenell,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us this reshuffle. This
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  Speaker 2: part of the prime minister, they says, it is an admission.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it that two of his ministers, Claire and Neil
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  Speaker 2: and Andrew Jares have failed in immigration.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think there's any doubt about that at all.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, apart from the retirement's, this reshuffle is all
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  Speaker 8: about getting Tony Burke to take on both those jobs
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  Speaker 8: and getting Anthony Albaneze's great mate, who does have a
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  Speaker 8: lot of experience, and that's who he needs in these
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  Speaker 8: sorts of roles to rescue the situation in those portfolios.
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  Speaker 1: So it can't be.
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  Speaker 8: Read any other way, no matter how Clara o'nil or
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  Speaker 8: her supporters might be spinning it. Having said that, I
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  Speaker 8: mean he's rescued both those ministers. He hasn't dumped them
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  Speaker 8: all together, he hasn't given them terrible for folios. So
• 9:02
  Speaker 8: in a way it's a peacemaking gesture. But at the
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  Speaker 8: same time he's saying, look, we need someone with more
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  Speaker 8: experienced hands on these portfolios. And interestingly how he said
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  Speaker 8: he's got to have both Home Affairs and Immigration. The
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  Speaker 8: PM's done that because what we saw was a lot
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  Speaker 8: of sort of shifting a blame between these two ministers
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  Speaker 8: during the last year or so on this migration detainees issue.
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  Speaker 8: So this has been going for months and months. Apart
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  Speaker 8: from cost of living, it's been the biggest headache for
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  Speaker 8: the government, and Anthony Abaneze has ensured that there's someone
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  Speaker 8: he trusts with experience taking over this role. It's going
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  Speaker 8: to make Tony Burke's life a lot harder. He's taking
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  Speaker 8: one for the team, and in particular he's taking one
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  Speaker 8: for his mate, the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned all these jobs that Tony Burke is
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  Speaker 2: given has been given. I mean it really is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: The number of portfolios is now Scott Morrison's secret Ministry size.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's incredible. He's in charge of immigration, he's
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  Speaker 2: in charge of Home Affairs, he's in charge of cybersecurity,
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  Speaker 2: he's in charge of the arts. I mean he's so
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  Speaker 2: desperate for tickets, freebs. I don't know, and as leader
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  Speaker 2: of Government Business, I mean, seriously, what is all that about.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think the arts is definitely was a deal breaker.
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  Speaker 8: I think he said I'll only do it if I
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  Speaker 8: can keep the arts. I don't think there's any doubt
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  Speaker 8: about that. You do get tickets, you do get invites.
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  Speaker 8: He's a rock musician. He loves his music, he loves
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  Speaker 8: that side of the world. He probably thinks he's doing
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  Speaker 8: good things for the arts. So good luck to him
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  Speaker 8: if he can manage that, which wouldn't be that taxing
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  Speaker 8: on top of these other portfolios.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair enough.
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  Speaker 8: But the Government business one is interesting because you don't
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  Speaker 8: want to have your hands too full rebutting attax and
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  Speaker 8: be going up there objective questions. So you can see
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  Speaker 8: a scenario where normally he's up there running interference for
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  Speaker 8: Claire O'Neil or Andrew Giles, He's going to have to
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  Speaker 8: run it for himself. He's going to be up there
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  Speaker 8: saying thisquestions out of order before he answers the question
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  Speaker 8: so I can't wait for question time to resume and
• 11:05
  Speaker 8: see how that plays out. It is unusual in that respect.
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  Speaker 8: Generally the measure of government business is someone like Burke
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  Speaker 8: having the IR portfolio or Anthony Abanez he previously Transport
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  Speaker 8: Infrastructure not so contentious portfolios so that they can run
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  Speaker 8: interference instead of be doing two jobs in question time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it does range this question for me Andrew. It
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  Speaker 2: seems to me positioning Burke as the next in loan
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  Speaker 2: to lead labor, there wouldn't be anyone. Well, there's Jim
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  Speaker 2: Charmers with Treasury. Of course that he'll think that his uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's got a red hot go. But in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the breadth of portfolios now, the responsibility being
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  Speaker 2: hipped on him being a fireman as well for the government,
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  Speaker 2: he would have to think that his next in loan
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  Speaker 2: to lead labor.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 8: I think he's always hoped that that There is a
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  Speaker 8: bit of a theory that Tony Burke could come through
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  Speaker 8: the middle like Scott Morrison did on the Liberal side.
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  Speaker 8: He doesn't have many votes on his own, but the
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  Speaker 8: feeling is he might be a compromise candidate between say Charmers.
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  Speaker 8: Males Plipasek, and I could go on all the people
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  Speaker 8: in labor who want to be leader. Should Anthony Albanese
• 12:20
  Speaker 8: he decided to go one day or indeed where he
• 12:23
  Speaker 8: to lose an election, although opposition leaders not so great
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  Speaker 8: a prize, is it. I think Tony Burke has always
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  Speaker 8: had leadership ambitions and I think he's great mate Anthony Albaneze.
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  Speaker 8: He would like him to succeed him one day if
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  Speaker 8: he had to be succeeded, you know. I think Anthony
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  Speaker 8: abenez he wouldn't mind Richard Marles either. I'm not convinced
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  Speaker 8: he'd love Jim Charmers, but Jim Charmers is in the
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  Speaker 8: box seat the treasurer often is. Of course, that might
• 12:46
  Speaker 8: change if there's a rate higher next week. I might
• 12:48
  Speaker 8: point that out, but definitely I wouldn't rule out the
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  Speaker 8: fact that Anthony Albanese's trying to give Tony Burke a
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  Speaker 8: leg up. I don't think it's the main game here though.
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  Speaker 8: Anthony Abeneze he wants to be there for a long
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  Speaker 8: time time and he wants Tony Burke to help him
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  Speaker 8: out of these troubles.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the thing Anthony Abnez wants there to
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  Speaker 2: be there for a long time. Yet it's got some
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  Speaker 2: of his more talented people sitting at the back of
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  Speaker 2: the bus, while keeping someone like Andrew Jarles given another
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  Speaker 2: ministry despite his total failure. It's total in capacity to
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  Speaker 2: front the media. He's given another portfolio. We may have
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: got Bill short and just doing NDAs how long? How
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: many years has been doing that? Former opposition leader. You've
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: got Tenure Plivask tucked away in environment. You've got someone
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  Speaker 2: like Andrew Charlton has just given this ridiculous little make
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  Speaker 2: work title of a special envoy now not even an
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  Speaker 2: assistant minister. He's got economic Nouse, which boy, the government
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  Speaker 2: could surely use. Now, I mean, I find it incredible.
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  Speaker 8: It's the system and it's the factions, and it's also
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  Speaker 8: about Anthony Albanese rewarding his mates, quite frankly, because those
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  Speaker 8: who've been loyal to him for many years. And you're
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  Speaker 8: put in that category, Pat Conroy, Timy Tony Burke and
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  Speaker 8: look I think he rates Charlton, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 8: But it's just there's a whole cue of people he
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  Speaker 8: has to reward ahead of them Jenny McAllister, and Charlton's
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  Speaker 8: got to do his time, it seems I think Charlton's
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  Speaker 8: right right for an assistant ministry, if not a ministry,
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  Speaker 8: not a cabinet minister. Yet he's got to serve an apprenticeship.
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  Speaker 8: Everyone has to. But I do think he can see
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  Speaker 8: in this reshuffle that he has rewarded people loyal to
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  Speaker 8: him who he trusts. He hasn't promoted Bill or Tanya.
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  Speaker 8: And you know I was positing an argument for quite
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  Speaker 8: some time that Shorten was perhaps a good fit Farm Affairs,
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  Speaker 8: having said that, indis it's one of the most important
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  Speaker 8: portfolios in government in terms of reigning that in so
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  Speaker 8: do you rob Peter to pay Paul? But I think
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  Speaker 8: Shorten's a fix it man and I think he could
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  Speaker 8: do a good job in Home Affairs. Having said that
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  Speaker 8: Tony Burke is experienced, it's a test of him. It
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  Speaker 8: shows that he should have had someone of his experience
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  Speaker 8: doing that from the get go, that particular job after
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  Speaker 8: the election, and that was a mistake the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, Andrew Calenil, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Back to this Barnaby Joyce so called scandal that Labor's
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  Speaker 2: using is just as a distraction from this reshuffle. Now,
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  Speaker 2: just remember what Joyce said in asking opponents of wind
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  Speaker 2: farms to vote against the government.
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  Speaker 3: And the bullet you have is that little piece of paper.
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  Speaker 3: Goodbye Albo.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Michael Craiger, former president of the Victorian Liberals,
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  Speaker 2: and Steve Conroy formulated senator and cabinet minister. There Steve
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: should Peter Dutton sacked Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 9: I think Barnaby has just in the climate the American
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: assassination of Tampa. He's just a careless phrase. I think
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  Speaker 9: I could think of five other reasons why he might
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  Speaker 9: want to sack Barnaby before that one, or perfectly legitimate.
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  Speaker 1: That's careless. I'm sure he would regret.
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  Speaker 9: Having said it and wouldn't want to if he had
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  Speaker 9: his time a game would say it differently. He was
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  Speaker 9: trying to make a point. It was a clumsy way
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  Speaker 9: to do it. But it'll be five other reasons why
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  Speaker 9: Barnaby shouldn't be on the front bench. You just got
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  Speaker 9: to ask David a little proud. He'll give you five
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  Speaker 9: reasons straight away.
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  Speaker 2: Well whatever, but why is answer from the labor guy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take that as a no, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dunton shouldn't say Barnaby Joyce for that. So, Michael,
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  Speaker 2: why did Albany Easy demand that you do.
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  Speaker 10: Add to all politics? I mean, was Barnaby Joyce's language
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  Speaker 10: in temperate?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Did he apologize?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 10: I think it's probably trying to move on. If we'd
• 16:50
  Speaker 10: drawl back through his statements maade by various labor ministers
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  Speaker 10: over the years, I think that's probably a lot worse
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  Speaker 10: there than Barnaby Joyce. So this is just politics via
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  Speaker 10: to try and deflect attention away from him at a
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  Speaker 10: time when his government is sinking in the polls.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Stephen Anthony Aberneze's new ministers were sworn in today
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  Speaker 2: is his first re shuffle. I wonder whether this is
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: really his best thing to go to election over the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: next few months when you see some of the talent
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  Speaker 2: that's been excluded and some of the hacks and also
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  Speaker 2: random failures that have been included.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I think that's a harsh judgment, Andrew. I don't
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  Speaker 9: think it quite stands a test of the mirrors, Andrew Jarles,
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  Speaker 9: some of Jed Carney, Well, Andrew, these are good people.
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  Speaker 9: These are.
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  Speaker 5: And you're right, Charles is outstanding.
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  Speaker 9: Andrew's had a tough initiation into the ministry and I
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  Speaker 9: think he will welcome a change. I did actually catch
• 17:59
  Speaker 9: up with Andrew ree Kellian said. The good news is
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: in labor politics know you're never being undermined because no
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  Speaker 9: one ever wants your job. So I think Andrew is
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  Speaker 9: probably quite happy to be.
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  Speaker 1: In a different portfolio. It is a tough one.
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  Speaker 9: You had a High Court rogue ruling which completely went
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: against all advice that he was getting. I've been there,
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  Speaker 9: I've been in cabinet when the High Court ruled completely
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  Speaker 9: opposite to have it ruled in the past, and it's
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  Speaker 9: it can be quite damaging for a government at the time.
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  Speaker 9: We suffered from that, Andrew suffering from that. So there
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  Speaker 9: are factors at play. But I think Tony Burke is
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  Speaker 9: a very seasoned and talented performer. I think Tony will
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  Speaker 9: take to home affairs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's a I think performer. Yes, he is, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: But the answer is the answer is this is not
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  Speaker 2: his best theme, obviously quite obviously there are people of
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  Speaker 2: the right that have been excluded, like Andrew Charlton, that
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  Speaker 2: obviously should be in there. Michael, there is a sense now,
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  Speaker 2: I mean this reshuffle was drawn partly of course the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: resignation of the retirement of three ministers, but also to
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: get troubled ministers out of their portfolios. How much trouble
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: is this coming in? Now? So a fascinating pile of
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the Strand National University says confidence in the federal government
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: has collapsed, a Redbridge red Bridge poll and the suddenly
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Herald Sun yesterday claimed the Coalition now had a good
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: lead over Labor after preferences fifty one percent to forty
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: eight point five. Now, I don't believe it's quite that big.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But how much trouble is this coming in?
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Well, they're in a lot of trouble.
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: By the way, I love Stephen's euphemism that Andrew Charles
• 19:44
  Speaker 10: has had a tough initiation. All right, that's a synonym
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: for he is absolutely bloody hopeless. But Stephen, being the
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: polite person he is. What you can say that the
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: reshuffle Andrew is. These seems to be all these people
• 19:56
  Speaker 10: are Albernizi's mates, and the caucus Labor caucus must be
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: furious that to get promoted you have to be a
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: friend of Albanesi's Otherwise, why wouldn't Jiles have been sacked?
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's the worst minister since Chris Bowen's performance
• 20:09
  Speaker 10: as Immigration Minister more than a decade ago that you
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: know any too well. I think he's in a lot
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: of trouble. He's in quicksand he's sinking every pole bit
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: by bit, and I now think there's a very good
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: chance that Dunt't will end up Prime minister.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Dunton needs twelve seats to have more seats on.
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: The floor of the Reps than Albansi, which I can
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: easily see him getting. And if he gets two or
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: three more than that, because the Greens will probably give
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: supplying confidence to Alberansi, then Dunton could well end up winning.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know who in Victoria. I think Chisholm.
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: In Chisholm and Ashton, where we've got two very good candidates,
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: Theosographis and many Chicella. I think the Liberal Party will
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: win those two. And I'm increasingly confident that Emrely Hamer
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: will win back Koon from the Teel. I think Tim
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: Wilson's now a chance. In Goldstein. I think Dunkley's a
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: chance of Victor Wloria is turning slowly against Labor. Quite
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: a bit to do with the hopeless state government. You
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: can see ones and twos that Dunton can pick up
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: all around the country and that pole.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: You just showed.
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: The most interesting part of that and you study was
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: the working middle class are voting no confidence in Labor.
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: And this is what we've been saying all along. If
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: Dutton appeals to the working middle class, which he is
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: doing big time, he could well win this selection. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: it's the upper class, the university educated, the rich, all
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: the people at Mensie said could look after themselves. They're
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: still behind Labor and the teals. But the working middle
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: class are swinging Bell win this election.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: Look, I think there's some truth that in Victoria in
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: particularly are voted soften. I think the troubles of the
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: state government recently looking a little flat footed about how
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: to deal with the CFMU has hurt and.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Federal labor is up first.
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: I think that Michael's being a little optimistic about the
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: number of seats they might win. I think Mensies and
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: Deacon are absolutely chances for Labor to win, which would
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: just bliterate a bliterate the Liberal Party from the broader
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: Melbourne area, not just you know, the in a suburban area,
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: but would obliterate them so I'm not as confident as
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: Michael that the Liberals are making a big comeback. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: think Labour's taking losing some paint in Victoria. But I
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: wouldn't go as far as Michael's just gone. I think
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: West Australia. You know, attacks on our seats by the
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: Greens in Brisbane, Ah, and you know maybe in.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Uh well been alone, I wouldn't.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far. I'm not the look.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: You can dream you can you can recite a listener seats, Mike,
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: you can recite you know. The problem is your care
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: primary vote continues to suck.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And Peter Dutton is not in the twenty Yours is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: not in the forties. It's getting Yours is not in
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the forty.
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: Sably forty thirty. As the rates go up a quarter
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: of a percent will be forty plus.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: Praying that economic twenty six data is bad for Australians
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: and that you can profit off it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll appreciate that.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Can I just get onto one last subject, Michael? Can
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I get onto one last thing? Because I think this
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: is really serious. We have in Jabeluka, the Northern Territory,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: one of the world's biggest deposits of uranium. Prices for
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: uranium going through the roof. But with all this move
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to nuclear power, clean and reliable energy. But Albany, you
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: told New South Wales Labor State Conference on Saturday, not
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: only with this government ban mining of that uranium now
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: for the term of this government. It's going to stop
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: any future and wiser governments from mining it either and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: it's going to turn the mine into a national park
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: with average and control.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Here is I've had to announce that our government will
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: be working with the traditional owners to make Jabaluka part
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: of Kakadu National Park.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Once and for all.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: This means they will never be mining at Jabaluka.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: How arrogant is that Michael to ban that huge resource
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: not just for its term, but for any term.
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: So this is a man stuck in the nineteen seventies,
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: worried about the encroachment of the Greens into the Labor
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: Party vote. And instead of appealing to the working middle
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: class in the center of Australian politics at every turn,
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: this fellow's going to the left, which is his natural home,
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: because he's part of the socialist left. Banning mining, banning uranium,
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: playing up to the Muslim vote in Palestine, et cetera, cetera.
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: You know, dumping our support for the Jewish community in Israel,
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: So he's anti.
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: Mining and playing to the left is going to cause
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: him even more damage.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: And that's exactly what he's doing.
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: He's stuck in the nineteen seventies in Peter Garrett's music
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: playing in his ears. You know, no nuclear blah blah blah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: This bloke is losing the plot. As I said earlier,
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: he's in quicksand slowly, slowly sinking andrew slowly sinking.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Amount of times, Stephen, but just quickly your response.
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: Well again, Michael's putting lipstick on the Pigaman. Peter Dutton
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: is not gaining anywhere near enough seats to form government.
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: That's not magically just ignores Michael, just blithely ignores turning
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: it back to try and prote one of the worlds.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: It's turning you back and one of the world's biggest
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: resources of uranium, clean twenty four to seven energy that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the world needs because you're under pressure from the Greens
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and doing it not for the next term of an
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Albinizi government forever. I just think it's a disaster. It's
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: so I did Igan, But anyway, I didn't got to go.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Steve Conroy, I didn't think.
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: I didn't think you could have run out at Roxby
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: just yet.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: It was the world's largest.
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: Running mine last time I checked, and.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I said, one of the world.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: Parliament of the future, one of the world's biggest, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: Roxby is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: The world's biggest.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: So but to your core point, so a future liberal
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: government could overturn it if it won the numbers in
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: both chambers.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Very simple.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's making it so the National Park, aboriginal control. You
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, Stephen, Stephen Conroy, Michael Kroeger,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: thank you both for your time. After the break, it's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the same old story, another deadly terrorist attack on Israel.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Twelve people killed, most children.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And what does the Mbanies government say to Israel underneath?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: This war between Israel and the Hamasis and mis terroist
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: group in Gaza is bad enough, but Israel's now on
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the brink of an even worse one, with a terrorist
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: army in Lebanon much bigger than Hamas. On Saturday evening
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: seven PM, has Blah claimed credit for firing yet more
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: rockets into Israel's north, but this time one hit children
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: playing soccer, killed twelve people who had almost no warning
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: from air AIDS sirens to take cover. The victims were
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: from Israel's Arabic speaking Druze community. In half an hour
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: after the attack has below, reverses Off said no, it
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: wasn't their rocket after all, maybe it was in Israeli
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: one and that was enough for the ABC this morning,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: along with many Arabic news outlets, to report this attack
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: as if there were some doubt about who was to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: blame for this explosion.
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: The children were playing when an explosive projectile landed on
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: the football field in Much Del Charms, a village in
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: the Israeli occupied Golden Heights. Deaths are a shocking consequence
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: of the months long fighting between the Israeli military and
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Israel's a bit to blame it. In fact, the Israeli
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Defense forces have shown pasts from the missile came from
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: an Iranian supplied one often used by Hesbela and Alma
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and NGO, which tracks Hesbela rocket attacks, tracked this one
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: right back to a town in Lebanon, and the US
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: is in no doubt.
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: Every indication is that indeed the rockets were from where
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: the rocket was from Hesbela.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Israel's prime ministers rushed back from his trip to Washington
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to decide how to respond, promises it will be big.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But once again, like every time Israel's attacked in this war,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: from a mass in the south, Hesbelo in the north,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: from Iran and more of its terrorist allies in the east,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and from the hooties in Yemen in its far southeast,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the Albanizi government, like so many other countries, just keeps
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: warning Israel to cool it. Today again.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Certainly worn of the risk which is there of an escalation.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, his Billa are a very different organization from Hamas.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: They represent.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: A risk of a.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Far more savage conflict occurring with consequences for Israel, for Lebanon,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: for the Middle East, and for world peace.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Why's it always Israel that's told or don't escalate when
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: it's being attacked from every side? The least officers you
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: lead A Peter Dutton is now doing what albaniz has
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: refused to since last October when Hamas slaughter at twelve
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: hundred Israelis, it's flying to Israel for a three day
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: visit to show support and find out what's really happening.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Michael Schubridge, a former senior defense official
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: now founder and director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael Schubridge,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. Told earlier this year when I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: was in Israel, by very close confident of Israel's Prime Minister,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that Israel must first destroy Hamas. We've seeing that happen now,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: but after that it's got to push back Hezbella to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: deep inside Lebanon, to push it away from the border
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and give Israel more time to see the rockets being
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: fired in and take protective measures. But can Israel now
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: at this time afford to fight both of us and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Hezbolah at the same time.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: Well, yes, Andrew, I think the Israeli military is able
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: to put most of its effort into fighting Hisbolla on
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: the Lebanon border and inside Lebanon because it's got to
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: the stage with the conflict in Gaza with Hamas where
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: it can pretty much have a smaller force doing a
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: holding action there. And this is a message Hezbola really
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: needs to think through, because so far they have been
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: acting as if they can just keep poking the Israelis
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: causing indiscriminate death and Israel will be quite limited in response.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: I think that could will turn out to be an
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: awful miscalculation.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So what do you expect to happen now.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: Well, we've already seen the Israelis strike back at Hasbola targets.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: I think we'll see continued restraint from the Israelis in
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: that they won't do what has Bola has done since
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: the eighth of October. They will be professional and discriminate,
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: minimize civilian casualties, but hit has Bola's military leadership and
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: military system and supplies hard.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Now I'm curious about what happened exactly. Why has Billa
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: did this. It's been firing rockets almost dayly in Israel,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: one in the morning that I went to the border,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: causing panic and the evacuation more than sixty thousand Israelis
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: from the all for the past nine months. But what
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: was Hasbla up to with this attack?
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Well, this was quite a large scale attack. There are
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: about three barrages of a total of about forty projectiles,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: including Iranian manufactured and supplied missiles. That's what caused the
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: death of those twelve young Arab drews Israelis. I think
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: as Bolla has calculated that Israel will just soak up
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: what has Bolla throws at it because it fears a
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: two front war. And I think this is a miscalculation,
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: because the Israeli military has been repositioning for some months now,
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: preparing to act against Habola if it needs to.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: But Michael, you know, once again, we saw it when
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Hamas attacked Israel, the world saying, oh, you've got an Israel,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: don't overreact. When Huti started shooting missiles and drones at Israel, Oh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: don't overreact. When Iran sent over missiles to Israel, don't overreact.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Now here Hezballah firing missiles at Israel, killing twelve people.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Again our prime minister and others, Oh, Israel, don't overreact.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you find it rather bizarre that all
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the action, all the effort seems to be into making
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Israel not overreact and not as much to all these
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Iranian proxies who are attacking in the first place.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Yes, And it's extraordinarily hypocritical and one eyed to talk
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: to the Israelis like they're the ones that have to
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: exercise ultimate restraint and at the same time except that
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Hasbola and Hamas the hooties and of course their backers
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: in Iran need to exercise no such restraint.
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: It's like we.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: Accept this mindless brutality and violence from Hasbola, Hamas, Iran
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: and the Hoodis, but we expect the opposite from the Israelis.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: I think the most remarkable thing about this is the
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: Israelis do continue to act with restrain and professionalism, and
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: the kind of indiscriminate killing we're seeing Hasbola do is
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: not what we see from the Israelis, despite the gravity
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: of the violence in Gaza.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Michael schubridgh always great to talk to you, Thanks for
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks Sandra.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: After the break, the Paris Olympics attacks Christianity, but guess
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: which religion they didn't dare at touch and Adam Bato
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: is now now she finally tells the ABC not to
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: be so biased, that why did she do it when
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: she could actually do something about it. The opening ceremony
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: of the Paris Olympics and outrage many Christians because included
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: a stupid and cowardly shot of drag queens and transsexuals,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: one in the middle with a kind of halo in
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a full table and not seems a very clear parody
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of the Last Supper. And then a near naked Greek
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: god of wine was revealed. The similarity to that last
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: particularly famous Lenardo DaVinci Fresco, it seems unmistakable. It's been
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: criticized by church leaders, Christian athletes, French far right political
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: leader Marion Marochelle. The ceremony organizers have since apologized if
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: anyone was offended to me, it's the French artistic elite
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: trashing exactly the religion that preaches a nonviolence and created
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the freedom and the culture that allows them to prance
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: around like this. You know, there was no mockery of Islam,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: France's second biggest religion, and of course you know why
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Charlie Hebdo, French satirical magazine did try to mock Islam
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: was attacked by Zimas terrorists. Twelve people killed, including cartoonists.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Joined me. Daniel Wilde, Deputy execs Director of the Student
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of Public Affairs, and Stephen Javoura, an author and senior
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: lecture in history, a champion in college, Steve, when I
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: sat with you, that's seen was it an accidental reference
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to chrassla Supple with his disciples, or a deliberate parody.
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: Oh, it's definitely a deliberate parody. And this is the
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: exact kind of thing that comes from the artistic type
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: that you spoke about. If you don't have much talent,
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: the best way to get attention is to try and
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: shock and push the boundaries. But I think we should
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: also see this for what it is. It is a
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: sign of civilizational sign of what is to come of
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: these forces of the ideas that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Are vying to replace Christianity.
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: And we're talking about a very destructive, child sexualizing, neo
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: pagan tribalism which is entering in. It's not just this,
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: it's also the Black Lives Matter movement, it's the anti
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: it's the pro Palestine riots kind of When I saw
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: this for the first time, it reminded me that the
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: very first image that we have of the crucified Christ
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: goes back to Rome from about two hundred AD, and
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: it's Christ on across with a donkey's head. The point
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: that I'm making is Christians have seen this before, this
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: kind of mockery, and the rest is history. Christianity will survive.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Daniel noticed that the official broadcasters, well they've got to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: promote the games, and they lit at slides and oh
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it was all fantastic, but really is an issue?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Well, it is an issue, Andrew.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, as you know, the motto for the Olympics
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: is faster, Higher, Stronger together. But what we saw at
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: the opening ceremony was dumber, smugger, woker and divided.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Because that's what it did.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: It divided the community. The Olympics should be an opportunity
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: for people to come together, to celebrate and to recognize
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: human excellence, human achievement.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, these.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: Athletes are the top zero point zero zero zero one
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: percent of those in our society, and people should be
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: able to go there and focus on the athletes and
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: the support stuff and everything they've done to get there.
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: But instead, no matter what happens over the coming weeks,
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: the only thing that we will remember from these games
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: is its opening ceremony. And I think that's a shame
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: and your spot on Andrew to say that it's an
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: attack or a parody on our founding culture. It's a
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: broader attack of the foundations of Western civilization. And we
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: see that not just at the Olympics, but across all
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: areas of our society today.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Sadly, Stephen Ada Batrose, as you know, I mean, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: pointed out while she was there, did absolutely nothing when
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: she was a chairman of the ABC to funight the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: ABC bias. Funny enough, today, in a retirement, so to speak,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: she goes back on the ABC to say, oh, well, look, yes,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: in fact, bias is a problem. Have listened you.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Think the ABC is delivering.
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  Speaker 9: With regards to objectivity and impartiality.
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  Speaker 13: I think there is an unconscious bias, and I think
• 38:55
  Speaker 13: it's I think there's no harm in presenting both sides
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  Speaker 13: of an argument, and I don't understand the reluctance of
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: some of our interviewers not to do that.
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  Speaker 11: Have those sides of the story.
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  Speaker 13: It's much better information for the viewer or the listener.
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  Speaker 2: We could all fill the listing of interviews. She might
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: be referring to there. But Stephen, why didn't I to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Bat's trying to fix this problem of a base when
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: she was chairman?
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  Speaker 12: Probably two reasons. Number one, she was just afraid to
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: do it. Maybe three reasons actually, number two, Once you
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: join the organization, you just become embedded in relationships and
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: networks there, and you don't want to rock the boat.
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  Speaker 12: But also you've got to really understand the ideologies. You've
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: really got to understand what's going on. And look, maybe
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: she did, maybe she didn't. She's not a fool, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: you've got to understand the different ideological positions, and if
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: you're not on top of that, then you won't.
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  Speaker 1: Necessarily notice it all.
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: What she really I mean, I think that what this
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: means is this really needs to be tackled at the
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: political level. We basically need a liberal government in office,
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: basically telling the ABC, unless you bring about genuine diversity
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: of viewpoints, your funding is going to be cut. What
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: they need to be focusing on is not so much
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: journalists who are balanced. They need to have a conservative journalists,
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: left leaning journalists, centrist journalists. They need to have a
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: whole ray so you can get all sorts of ideas
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: clashing with one another and they can fight it all
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: out and you can read all sorts of difference perspectives.
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: That's what we need in the ABC, certainly what we
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: need in Q and A, and we need certainly more
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: conservative hosts of the shows. It can only be fixed politically,
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: and it's only going to be fixed if funding is withheld.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Daniel Daniel, I mean, Stephen is showing his youth and
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: naivety here that you've got to wait for the Liberals
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to get in and do something about the ABC. Their record,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: as you know, has been a biz mol. What do
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: you think is going to take.
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't know I was going to take Andrew.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: What we know is that trust and confidence is declining
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: in the community. I mean data shows that trust it
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: from the community in the ABC has been declining, declining
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: at about two percent per year over the past five years.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: And it's exactly because of these issues that Ida Butcher
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: has talked about. I mean, I don't know why she
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: didn't try and solve them.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with.
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: What Stevens said and I'd add to that and saying
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: even if i'da Buttro's wanted to fix the problems, she
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: could not have fixed the problems. Because we all know
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: the ABC is run by the staff and not the management.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: It really doesn't matter who the chairperson is, who the
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: managing director is, you will get the same content on
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: the ABC. The ABC will still say Australia is a
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: bad country, that we're racist, and that's why Australians are
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: tuning out.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You know, ratings are.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Dropping across market programs. The ABC is no longer an
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: institution of cultural importance in the way that it once was.
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: It used to be compulsitory viewing some of their marquee shows,
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: but that's just not the case because Australians are quite
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: sensibly tuning out.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely correct. I don't know what it will take. It
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  Speaker 2: does take political courage, but I don't see any of it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid, Stephen, So you're right, but you're whistling in
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the wind. I'm afraid. Stephen Trevoura and Daniel Wilde, thank
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: you both for your time. After the break. How racists
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: are back in Kamala Harris in a campaign to beat
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump at the November election. Odd but true. Donald
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Trump is in trouble now that the Democrats in the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: US have forced President Joe On to drop out of
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the November election and then the Palace coup replaced him
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: with his vice president, Kamala Harris. It may be a lightweight,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: but she's getting huge money behind her. Now. Some of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that support she is getting, she'd actually scared voters because
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: it's exactly the kind of identity politics and divisive new
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: racism of the left. For instance, Harris has just had
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: eight and a half million dollars US raised for her
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: during a Zoo meeting of one hundred and sixty thousand
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: women called white Women for Kamala Harris. There's one hundred
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: and sixty thousand karens. There's also been a meeting of
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Black women for Kamela and a fundraiser from Win with
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Black Men for Kamala Harris, although that just raised one
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: million dollars. Coming up is a meeting of white dudes
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: for Kamela. Seriously joining me is writer broadcaster author Esther
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Krakhu Esther, I mean, does American need that kind of
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: racial divisions where black women campaign separately from white women,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: who campaigned separately from black men, who campaign separately for
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: from white men, all for Kamala Harris.
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: Well, the thing is, this is one of those things
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: that's going to backfire, I suspect, because it's just going
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: to signal to the American people that this is what
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: a Kamala Harris presidency will look like.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Look.
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: I've often said that if they do find a way
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: to wrestle Biden from from his current position as well,
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: former position as the Democrats nominee. The new candidate will
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: have like sort of a honeymoon face, which is exactly what
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: we're seeing right now. You know, Camela's basically secured the
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: nomination and she's having all this money pouring in. But
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: four months is a long time, and there are loads
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: of things that about Kamala Harris that should concern people,
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: because if she was actually a durable candidate, they would
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: have made her the nominee years ago, when when Biden's
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: cognitive decline was becoming more obvious. You know, she she's
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: failed on the border, which many Americans are taking quite personally.
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: There are many demographics that she still has to try
• 44:36
  Speaker 14: and wrestle away from Donald Trump, particularly Hispanic votes in
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: swing states like Arizona, like Arizona, and she's just not
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: the kind of female candidate that you would expect if
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: you look at you know, women around the world that
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: have managed to become presidents or prime ministers. They're more serious,
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: they're more they're more charming. They don't have cackling laughs.
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: You know, to Obama's credit, he was more than just
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: a mixed race man. He was actually quite a charming man.
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: Kamala Harris is just weird and inexperiencing, cackling, and she's
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: not a very strong political candidate, and so the Democrats
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: are trying to make this honeymoon phase last as long
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: as possible and by doing things like white men for Kamela. Unfortunately,
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: it's a strategy that's going to backfire on them in
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: the four months. I suspect a lot more is going
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: to come about Kamela's problematic politics that will hurt her
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: in the long term, and people are just going to say, actually,
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: you know what, whatever I think about Trump, I think
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: my life was a lot better under his presidency than
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: certainly Biden and most likely a Kamala Harris presidency.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I agree with you there. I think Kamala Harris potently
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: very very dangerous for Donald Trump. But in the last week,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I think she's been campaigning as if she's got to
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: win the primer, she's got to win the base. She
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: also been with appeals to the left, which has got
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: to win the middle. But we shall see, as you say,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: four months long term. Now, a warning to view as
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: we've got two videos coming up showing confronting violence. It's
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the last Thursday and I was with Patrick Christie's there.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: We covered the reaction to a police officer at Manchester
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Airport kicking a Muslim man in the head while arresting them.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: The video went viral, the reaction went vira, he got
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: all the usual things. Policemen was suspended, Labor in Peace
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: criticized the police. The men's lawyer claimed they were victims
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of an attempted assassination. Really, and Muslim protesters demonstrate outside
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the police station for days. It was all quite menacing.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Now the full videos come out of the incident that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: started all and you see the Muslim men belting the police,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: punching a female officer in the face, breaking a nose,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: sending all three to the ground. Three of them went
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: to hospital. How does this now change the debate in Britain.
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: Well, you're probably not surprised to learn that. In a
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: few minutes since the video has come out, there's been
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: a BBC article saying that the family of the person
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: who was kicked in the head by the police officer
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: are concerned for the police officer's safety, which is quite
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: a shift in the tone. I'm surprised they weren't more
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: concerned when the story blew up, and you had protests
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: and people were treating the police like the scum of
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: the earth. Look, there's obviously no excuse for a police
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: officer to kick someone in their head, But now that
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: the full video is out, it actually paints a much
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: more complicated picture. The police officers were dispatched to break
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: up a fight that occurred between the passenger and the
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: lady and her two sons who came and picked her
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: up at the airport, and they, for their trouble, were beaten.
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: The female officers knows was broken. Another was punched, And
• 47:31
  Speaker 14: you know, police officers are just human beings. They're underpaid,
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: they're constantly vilified. You know, last year the force lost
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: five thousand police officers voluntarily because it's not a job
• 47:40
  Speaker 14: that anyone wants to be in in this political climate
• 47:42
  Speaker 14: and the lack of support and the effect of you know,
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: just running to the easiest narrative, which is all police
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: are horrible, and this kind of sectarian notion that you
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: must fight against the police who are literally employed to
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: protect you as a member of the public is really
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: unhelpful and it's really divisive. And now that the full
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: story has come out, I can guarantee you. The story
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: will vanish from the new cycle within forty eight hours
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: because it doesn't fit the narrative. But unfortunately, the damage,
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: the long term damage being done to this country is
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: something that we really should be taking more seriously.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I would just advise those guys that attacked the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: police and not three to the ground that if they
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: tried that trick in France, I'm not sure they would
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: have survived this. But the British police.
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: If they tried any in any other country, in any
• 48:30
  Speaker 14: other country, the results of probably far far worse.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: It's the crack. It's always great to talk to you,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: see you later. That's it from me. Coming up next,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Sherry Maxon good Night